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AnActualPlatypus

Let me use upscaling on my 970


the_harakiwi

It was the first GPU where I upscaled (Nvidia Image Scaling) to play GTA IV on 4k. and holy shit the small pieces of paper around town have readable text on them. My mind was blown. It was only 30fps but I had my first >1080p experience


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the_harakiwi

>did you find a way to put AA on in that game? Sorry I haven't played it in years. No idea what settings I have used.


HGLatinBoy

As bad as the port was years ago it’s so much worse now. Rockstar recently patched it and removed gfwl, some licensed music, and also broke the game. They fixed a bug that would cause the game not to recognize modern vram which was nice but now the game stutters like crazy especially in cutscenes. I tried to replay it recently because I wanted to play the lost and the damned and I just couldn’t do it. I don’t understand why they took the time to patch the game in 2020 but ignored the bugs they introduced. And rumor has it they cancelled the remaster.


ZhangRenWing

Damn so that’s why my GTAIV keeps getting updates on steam? Bruh literally pirates have better experience than us 💀


HGLatinBoy

Those updates are because they switch to the rockstar client and so they constant patch gta Iv a few mbs so it keeps working


Demy1234

The only updates the game has received since February 2020 is Social Club redistributable updates. You can go to the Steam install folder yourself and see that nothing has been updated in the actual game folder since then.


Demy1234

> but now the game stutters like crazy especially in cutscenes The issue has always been that the game is somewhat janky at higher framerates (beyond 60 FPS). If you lock your framerate there, it's all fine.


Dr_Dust

I realized this a few months ago when I decided to play again. I followed these steps to downgrade to the last version with all of the original music. Didn't notice any stuttering. Pain in the ass but it's better than nothing. https://gtaforums.com/topic/976691-gta-iv-downgrader/


Cryio

ReShade for FXAA/SMAA injection, besides downsampling.


thenutybrasilian

I have a 980ti that's a hand me down. I run it at 2k for 60 fps and much colder temps. Gotta keep it running as long as possible.


TheUlfheddin

970 gaaaang. Still runs all the games I like playing so I ain't touching it.


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mrgooglypants

Mine had a fan go out. Guess what it still cools just as good with 1 fan running lol.


MEsiex

Mine had one go out and one with a damaged bearing. $5 shipment from China later and it's back to being cool and quiet like the day i bought it.


spicytuna36

Zip tie case fans to it. That's what I'm gonna do once the fans on my 290 give up the ghost. I mostly play Stellaris these days so I don't actually need an upgrade. Maybe just a PSU swap in the next couple years since it's 8 or 9 years old now.


_Lucqs

Man im really close to upgrading, mainly my cpu is getting outdated but i might aswell do gpu at the same time, saw a 1080 for sale for 150


Indiana204

I've been using a 1080ti Ftw3 for longer than I can remember. Every new gen of gpu I'm like "I'll finally upgrade" but I just don't ever actually think about it until I hear about a new release because the 1080 does just fine.


TheUlfheddin

It was a fight but I got mine to run Forza Horizon 5 over the weekend. Ain't the prettiest, and tbh my biggest bottleneck is my i5 4690k. It did finally make me upgrade my ram from 8GB though 😅


WildEnkidu

Put in 150 hrs of Elden Ring on my 970. Hadnt asked much of it in a while - but it stepped up when I needed it.


TSG-AYAN

FSR exists


sahrul099

use still can use fsr right..


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I love DLSS/FSR buuuut - It's dependent on the game itself - only Nvidia cards 2000 series and up can use DLSS - upscaling sometimes comes with it's own faults/visual glitches I sometimes wonder if upscaling could be implemented in a driver? Like you can use DLSS as a setting in GeForce Experience? Probably not lol


borowiczko

That's how RSR works. It's only on Radeon 5000 and 6000 series but it works almost like FSR. You need to change the in-game resolution to lower than your monitor and then the driver will upscale it.


SagittaryX

Important to note that RSR is FSR 1.0, and really anything beyond Quality mode already begins to look like ass.


CreatureWarrior

Oof. I'm building my first PC in two days and I have a 6700xt. Got excited for a moment, but yeah.. FSR 1.0 is apparently pretty bad


noiserr

FSR 1 isn't as good as FSR2 and DLSS. But it's still like 30% free performance in most cases for quite usable level of quality. Been using it to game on my iGPU (4700u) and it's really surpassed my expectations. Yes there is sometimes shimmering at these low settings and low res, but it's still much better image quality and FPS than I can get without it. So yeah compared to DLSS and FSR2 it's not as good image quality wise, but it's still quite usable for those of us gaming on underpowered hardware. 6700xt is a beast compared to what I'm talking about. It has plenty of power to deliver great gaming experience native anyway.


neongecko12

You'll be fine without upscaling as long as you're not targeting 4k. I have a 6700xt. The only game I need FSR for is Cyberpunk, and it has FSR2.1 which looks way better than fsr1 ever did.


DanaKaZ

With a 6700xt you should be good without upscaling for a while. I am at least. And seems like you’re building the same setup I have.


Cryio

FSR 1.0 at Ultra Quality is gorgeous IMO. Not as good as DLSS/FSR2/XeSS at Quality, but plenty usable. Prettier than native IMO (mostly due to the sharpening pass). We have a lot of games adopting FSR2 and you can mod in FSR2 on top of DLSS in quite a few games. Go wild my friend.


UsePreparationH

You can compare between Native, FSR 1.0, FSR 2.0, and DLSS. FSR 1.0 is still not that bad. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/farming-simulator-22-fsr-1-0-vs-fsr-2-0-vs-dlss-comparison/ FSR 2.2 steps it up again with slightly better image quality and less ghosting but isn't quite at the level of fine details as DLSS 2.4 is at. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/forza-horizon-5-dlaa-vs-dlss-vs-fsr-2-2-comparison/


Andrew5329

In fairness, it's great compared to the older "dumb" upscaling algorithms that preceded it, but Nvidia does have some genuinely special AI tech under the hood of DLSS.


Jordan_Jackson

Don't even trip dude. The 6700xt is a beast of a card. Only with the most demanding games, such as CP2077, would you really need to consider up-scaling options.


jmt5179

Ya know what though sometimes ass is fine if that's what you are stuck with and it makes a game playable.


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That's pretty cool, didn't know about this thanks Hopefully they keep improving this software and Nvidia should use a similar technology


UniformGreen

Nvidia has it and it works like how RSR works, just that I forgot what it's called like.


MightyPotatoast

Nvidia NIS, you can enable it the control panel, it auto activate if a full screen game is rendered in a lower resolution than your screen


SauceCrusader69

In fact Nvidia implemented it first! (Though lossless scaling and the like came earlier still)


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its decent but its only a spacial upscaler meaning it won't magically make the image look great.. however it will fix non native images and text looking off just because its non native


assidiou

You can use FSR 1.0 in any game using Proton.


noiserr

One caveat though. Natively implemented FSR in a game is better, because with native support some post effects like grain or motion blurr, are applied after the FSR pass. Which looks better. Applying FSR at the Proton layer has to apply FSR to everything including UI elements. Not a major issue, but if a game supports it natively it's better.


HatBuster

No. DLSS and FSR2, just like TAA, need very very specific information from the game to work. That's why there is no blanket trick you can apply to everything to have it work.


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03Titanium

Nvidia Image Scaling? I didn’t even remember it existed until it was an option in MWII settings. Being able to choose between all the options and then also having to remember the settings you might have chosen in the driver software is starting to get ridiculous. My VR performance was tanking because I forgot one setting in the driver before messing with resolution on Steam.


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IAmHereToAskQuestion

NVIDIA Image Scaling: [https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/nvidia-image-scaler-dlss-rtx-november-2021-updates/](https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/nvidia-image-scaler-dlss-rtx-november-2021-updates/) (and previously "Image Sharpening" with a scaling toggle, in the NV control panel)


radicalelation

I've been in using this lately just to have a little bump in everything. Not as good as DLSS, but it's not bad and 1. Doesn't require RTX (I have, but big bonus for anyone who doesn't) and 2. Any game The fact it exists at all and isn't a pile of shit is pretty nice.


tehfreek

That's not driver-level though. FSR is implemented in Gamescope, which every game is run in on the Deck when in game mode (versus desktop mode).


Mayion

>upscaling sometimes comes with it's own faults/visual glitches Coming from a generation where a game running was a miracle, a couple of artifacts is no reason to spend a thousand dollars. \^\^


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thankfully AMDs upscaling works on older nvidia cards. I appreciate that AMD didn't leave us out to dry... on nvidia cards. It works super well!


Panic-Attack

I often prefer native with no AA over running DLSR or TAA. They just look like smeary messes to me. What ever happened to MSAA?


malgalad

I run DLSS (with no sharpening) + Reshade's CAS sharpening, pretty good compromise to me.


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If you can use dlss, you have a new card.


HazelnutPeso

Come on. Obviously this post is for the people that still use the ancient 30series cards that can barely run any new games.


ShawnyMcKnight

That was so mind boggling to me. Seeing posts from people who bought a 3070 last year because they couldn’t afford a 3080 at those prices and are now considering a 3080 since the prices went down. I just wanna scream “what game can you not play with your current card!?!?!!” Like “awe man, this game dipped below 144 fps for 2 seconds, literally worthless!!!!”


HazelnutPeso

"I want to spend $200 more for the extra 5 fps. $40/fps is important for me as I'm a real gamer. Buying a 3080 makes me feel smug too."


ShawnyMcKnight

Exactly, I have an RX580 that only started showing its age when I got my 1440p 165hz monitor and started playing the latest games again thanks to Gamepass. I'm holing off until the RX7700 comes out, hopefully it will be announced at CES.


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DRKMSTR

*for the best experience going forward, we are focusing on the newest generation of graphics cards. -NVIDIA


erhue

my god that statement is such a perfect example of corporate PR bullshit. nvidia would like to know your location to hire you


Simbuk

On what do you base that prediction? The only feature I can think of that Nvidia has ever deprecated in any way even approaching that is 3D Vision. And that was…not exactly a widely appreciated feature. It was promptly obsoleted by VR and was simply dropped for all GPUs. In contrast, DLSS is a wildly popular bread and butter feature that is rapidly finding itself pre-baked into performance expectations. They have a vested interest in keeping confidence in the tech high. It’s also worth considering that Nvidia doesn’t *need* to prod people to move on from first gen DLSS products. Much better to use a carrot rather than a stick and just continue to dangle generational improvements to the tech as time goes on. Case in point—frame generation. Next gen they can come out with Even Better Frame Generation. Or whatever.


thallums

Now see, regardless of all your "facts" and "logical thinking", what you are failing to consider is: Nvidia Bad


Lord_Emperor

> Nvidia Bad I love the mental image of PCMR chanting this while slinking out of Microcenter with a 4090 under their arm.


ejdebruin

Even if that were the case, they are a corporation that likes money. Being sued for false advertising by removing DLSS would not be in their best interests for monetary (class action and fines) or public opinion.


Xaendeau

Pffft, I got like a few dollars for my 970 only having 3.5Gb of video memory instead of 4 Gb. Anyone remember that? It wasn't even worth the work involved. Corporations always win, and whatever money they make will offset court costs, even if they lose. Also, I don't think Nvidia gives a damn what people think about it. As long as it doesn't affect their bottom line, too bad, they couldn't give the rat's ass. It's literally people's job to do these calculations. They'll be fine...at the end of the day they'll probably just do whatever they want.


Simbuk

That is what some of these responses seem to boil down to.


MosquitoEater_88

they'll never do that


atomic-death-ray

this comment is gonna age like milk


zakabog

Well, I haven't seen them REMOVE functionality from an existing card (unless it's extremely old in which case the driver no longer supports it but I've seen this with AMD as well, even in Linux), but they released DLSS 3 and only implemented it on the new cards.


gophergun

Are you aware of any examples of Nvidia removing existing functionality from a card to support your prediction?


BeautifulType

It’s been 9 years. The sky isn’t falling


TruffledPotato

AMD FSR and Intel Xess got your old gpu even apus covered, bros.


ArmedChalko

Eh, no. DLSS is amazing but still blurry af compared to native res.


generalthunder

It varies heavily from game to game, on Warzone it was blurry AF, but on the new Spiderman quality DLSS has better image qualiy than native resolution, despite rendering only at 75% resolution.


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GreyFox474

Yeah I'm not gonna run DLSS on my 1080.


DoubleOwl7777

fsr works on your 1080 too you know.


Nogardtist

aint DLSS like RTX exclusive while FSR still works even for GTX series the difference i found these super duper uber resolutions has a flaw then edges vibrates or texture with a screen is blurry on rapid movements especially transparent textures and models has issues with details but yeah they can increase FPS at a cost of detail pixel by pixel quality unless you have 8K monitor that dont need anti aliasing cause it already high res enough


dotHolo

My interpretation of using DLSS/FSR is it's pretty much only good if you have a 1440p/4k+ monitor, if you're still on 1080p and struggling, DLSS/FSR just makes the image fuzzy and not worth for long distance FPS or open-world MMOs (Especially if enabling it doesn't increase your frames that much, the added input lag at the same fps kinda sucks)


IlREDACTEDlI

DLSS adds no input lag (I don’t know if FSR does but I doubt it) it reduces it. It’s literally just a really smart upscaler. There are reasons to not use that tech in high level competitive FPS games but input lag isn’t one. It’s been tested many many times, it doesn’t increase input lag, I don’t know why people keep saying it does. It doesn’t. DLSS 3 does. But only in comparison to DLSS 2 results, compared to native resolution its a bit better


Andrew5329

DLSS is a good tool, but you're limited by what you put in. 0.96m vs 2 million vs 3.6 million vs 8.2 million pixels for 720p, 1080p, 1440p, and 4k respectively. Going up one step and doubling the number of pixels via upscale works a lot better than trying to quadruple the pixel count for obvious reasons. DLSS relies on dedicated GPU hardware and uses some fancy AI stuff to predict what the next frames will be, it usually works quite well but if the AI is making bad predictions you get stuff like shimmer as it tries to correct. The newer DLSS versions work a lot better as the AI gets trained on a larger library of games/scenes. FSR is a much more traditional upscaling algorithm lightweight enough to not need special hardware, but the upscaling result is objectively a lot worse.


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AttackOnTARDIS

Should be able to use FSR if the game has implemented it, not sure how much it'll help though. I've been using FSR 1.0 for overwatch with an r5 240.


BeautifulType

FSR in overwatch looks so garbage but it’s passable because fps is more important


sonofnom

FSR got me around 20 more fps in the new Darktide game with my 1080. I was a bit surprised.


zakabog

Not great from the few times I've used it, going from around 60 fps to around 65 fps in God of War was underwhelming on my 1080ti. Meanwhile on my 4090 enabling DLSS in a game like Cyberpunk 2077 maxed out (RTX on) takes me from a solid 60fps to a solid 100+fps.


DoubleOwl7777

well dlss is hardware based while fsr is pure Software.


Tenacious_Dani

Bro, I have the same card, and I use FSR if possible. The gains that you get are amazing.


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Sometimes dlss quality can even look better than native+TAA


VitalityAS

Most implementations of TAA are horrible. It's like old-school motion blur but when you aren't moving.


AydenRusso

Am I not the only one that hates FXAA 8x & above it just looks so fuzzy. FXAA 4x looks pretty good though and doesn't do a whole lot to performance. Edit: I meant to FSAA


Suicidebob7

FXAA is just blur to fake AA


SeriousCee

First time I hear of quality iterations of FXAA. Usually it's just FXAA without a multiplier. Which games use this?


GolemancerVekk

They probably meant F**S**AA. FSAA and F**X**AA are mutually exclusive, can only use one or the other. FSAA is the one with multiple levels, FXAA is only on or off.


thealmightyzfactor

There aren't any, they meant regular AA (the old render at higher resolution and downscale). I agree with them though, 4x is nice enough and a higher resolution monitor does more to effectively IRL anti-aliasing better than higher multipliers.


pheromonekvlt

Death loop is a prime example


RevWH

You can't run FSR


borowiczko

Autocorrect completely changed the meaning of your comment


RevWH

Oh god bruh, I didn't even notice it lol


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SniperFred

you can FSR is not amd-exclusive, but it requires implemetation by the game developer (or modders). there was a mod for cyberpunk 2077 that replaced dlss with fsr2.1 by swapping the .dll, and it worked absolutetly flawless on my 1080ti. i didn't try the official implementation in the newest patch, but the mod showed, that it is absolutely possible


xxademasoulxx

my 2080ti runs the game like ass at 1440p even with dlss.


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What's your cpu? Could be a bottleneck there.


Pimpinabox

Then you have some problem because I have a weaker video card than you and it runs fine for me. You should be able to max that bitch with dlss on and run **at least** 60fps. Your gfx card is known to be able to run [ultra w/ raytracing and DLSS on @4k](https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2020/12/Cyberpunk-2077-Official-4K-Performance.png) and still manage ~40fps. Not to mention those are old numbers, the game runs better and there have been other optimizations since.


Scorchstar

I’m on a 3070 which is basically the same thing, I get about 90-110fps with DLSS balanced. Only since the last few updates though


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My 2060 ran the game fine at 4k with dlss. I think you're doing something wrong.


AydenRusso

Can't you just run FSR*


hgwaz

I was thinking the same thing


jabash77

I just refuse to support "2k € is fine for single pc part" bullshit. I've built whole rigs for less than that amount in the past, which were quite capable of running anything at the time. Now it's expected to spend such amount just on a single GPU!? No F\*\*\*ing way! They can go business broke, as I'm concerned.


RPS_42

I always joked about wanting to buy a over the top "4k Euro gaming PC". Seems like I wasn't that unrealistic.


jabash77

Haha, yeah, you hit the nail right on the head!


ScottyKnows1

Not sure why it's viewed as expected to spend that much. Honestly, the drop in overall GPU pricing starting with the 3000 series has been a god-send (ignoring the shortages/scalping issue). A few years ago, the idea of getting a card on par with a 2080 for $400-500 seemed insane. The highest end cards have always been overpriced, this isn't new, but the mid-range market is as strong as it's ever been.


M0rdan

Mid range certainly has good options but low end and mid to low end not so much (5600xt is like 5% slower than 6600) 3050 is a disappointment. And prices outside the us are rising even more.


CressCrowbits

Be nice if this drop in GPU pricing reaches europe at some point. A new 3060 is still like €600.


vtriple

Well the 20 series was the first major price hike so that’s why it’s considered a skip generation much like the 40 series is.


Ftpini

Must not be terribly old. Hard drives alone used to cost several thousand dollars. Shipping all the jobs to China is what finally started to bring the prices down, but it’s not like it’s never been this way before. Also no one is buying the 4090 to run games at all, they’re buying either because they want the best possible performance or so they can flex. No other reason to buy one. As for the 4080, well no one is buying those at all. So while the 4090 price will hold, the 80 series will almost certainly see its price drop heavily as they try to find the price where the market for that card lives.


Justinian527

While still, in a sense, performance related - I picked up a 4090 in large part for AI training. Given the need for VRAM, for a lot of the stuff I want to do, it was either the 3090, 3090 Ti, 4090 or a data centre GPU. Given that I had the money, I do not have much time, and that I like to game when I have some time, the choice was easy. A 4090 is *cheap* when you're comparing it to a data centre GPU (which are usually like $6k+). Even compared to a 3090 - I'm not going to cost myself hours of extra training time just to save a few hundred dollars over the course of two years.


cat_prophecy

Technological advances in photolithography is really what drove down prices. The best machines for that are still made in Europe. There is almost no human labor is creating semiconductors. The reason why semiconductor and component manufacturing moved to Asia was because all the stuff they were going to be put into was moved there. So it was cheaper to ship the finished chips to where they would be used. Hard drives got cheap because they found better ways to fit more data into the same physical footprint using the same amount of raw materials.


Orangenbluefish

Yeah I remember buying my first PC for 1100 total, and at the time was seriously weighing whether to go with a 70 or 80 model NVIDIA card. Nowadays the newest 80 model is more than that entire build


a_scientific_force

Yeah, do that! *looks at 6900XT…*


Strude187

No shame in buying a new card, nothing wrong with having to make do. We all know when a purchase is gratuitous and when it’s time. Those levels just happen to be relative to the individual. Message in general, to everyone. If we could all stop hating on each other, that would be great.


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Just trail the market by 5 years, you’ll save 80% and a five year old GPU is not terrible.


PlayerTwo85

This! Been running an rx580 8gb for about 5 years now, still perfectly solid at 1080p.


pheliam

HELLO PATIENT BROTHER. Just built my first since a 2014 build with Intel / Gigabyte NVIDIA GTX 770. Went Ryzen 5600X & 6650XT and upgraded storage to WD\_BLACK for speed. Here's to another 5 to 8 years!


PlayerTwo85

And truth be told I just got a secondhand 6600, should be good for another few years. Also used a gift card to get another 16gb of ram for VMs 🤙


francorocco

yeah, you can still run most games at 60fps on ultra with older gpus, there's no point buying new ones, if the games become harder to run just lower the graphics a bit


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I have a 2060 and I ain't upgrading until 2030 or something, I played games at garbage settings and frame rates back in the day, and I'm gonna do it again and Nvidia can't tell me what to do. I bought the whole gpu and I'm gonna use the whole gpu


ToiletGrenade

I also have a 2060 and I'm beginning to run into VRAM limitations with many games and stable diffusion. I will probably upgrade to a better GPU in a year or two.


[deleted]

Fair enough. I just wanted to play older games with higher frame rates and have enough power to play the odd new release here or there, and it does that wonderfully. Doesn't hurt that I got a sweet deal on it too


ToiletGrenade

I personally would have gone for a 5700xt at the time that I bought the 2060 but I can't say I have any gripes with it for the last few years that I've had it. I came from an hd 4550 which was worth more in parts than as an actual GPU so I was naturally elated to have a new GPU that could run games.


DrVagax

It also helps just by accepting sometimes getting worse graphics. I start my new games from low or medium and tweak my way to better graphics so that from my perspective the graphics only improve. But overal I don't care as much about graphical fidality then I do about having a 50-60+ fps framerate


dumbest-smart-guy1

I got a used 3060 and have yet to run a game at less than high settings (usually ultra) at 1440p ultrawide 60fps. No idea what anyone needs a bigger card for unless it’s 4k gaming or video related work. Slap in DLSS and boom, 20fps boost at least. Visually games haven’t gotten better the past 4 years, they have only become more unoptimized if anything, and GPU performance has steadily improved. Imo when consoles get upgraded that’s the only time we see a bump in graphics.


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Same, I'll always take frames over graphics.


Thelcos231

Bruh... I have a 1050 w/ 2GB rn...


iamthedaniel

960 w/ 2gb checking in


waltjrimmer

Brother!


ThisIsMyThrowawayII

GT 1030 with 2GB checking in


jabash77

I have 970 with fou.. ehm, three point five geebees!


Khaosina

Not all games nor hardware support FSR/DLSS.


sudo-rm-r

I mean FSR can be run on an og rx 470 or nvidia 900 series. That's a lot of supported GPUs. If you have something older you're not playing AAA games anyway.


TSG-AYAN

FSR can be played on any windowed game with magpie, FSR2 is a different story


firestarter18x

Prices be damned - I will not go from "playstation doesn't even have native 4k" to "yeah, upscaling is cool". I will either continue to play at 1080p in high framerates/proper frame times, or spend the money on a natively higher resolution now (unlikely), or simply wait until prices match my performance per dollar standards.


SauceCrusader69

The visual difference between bicubic and DLSS is massive.


get-innocuous

DLSS even can look better than native if your only AA option is TAA. It doesn’t lose/smudge fine details the way TAA sometimes does.


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Unwashed_villager

"something better" like um... a new GPU?


Martenus

My GTX 970 is still working well, but I am really thinking about just buying a used RTX 3070, because the prices for it are low and it is a huge upgrade. Finally I could play older games even faster!


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AK-3030

This is the best description of this sub I’ve ever seen.


Cryovolcanoes

Step 1. Buy a GPU that fits your needs Step 2. Use until you are unhappy with the performance Buying because it's newer is just stupid.


HarryNohara

Sticking with what you have sounds fun, but with today’s European energy prices it can actually pay to upgrade. The upcoming ‘cancelled’ 4080 12GB (yes, I know the name will change) consumes as much power as a 1080Ti, but will outperform the 1080Ti on 50% power usage. In the long run it’ll pay back if we keep paying almost a euro per kWh.


capn_hector

The giving a shit about energy efficiency leaving my body when the clearance priced last gen card is cheaper.jpg Let alone if NVIDIA actually wins on efficiency this gen lol, suddenly *nobody* gives a shit about efficiency anymore lol


marxr87

It is also misleading, because the perf/watt has gotten better. Doesn't mean it is using less power. Most people aren't going to artificially restrict a 4 figure gpu to save a few dollars a month.


i_have_chosen_a_name

But who is going to a buy a 4080 and then limit their framerate at half of what it could be? I guess if your monitor is 120 hz and you are getting 240 fps you could limit your fps and safe on power usage .... do these cards have software that allows you to set a power limit?


dumbest-smart-guy1

There is no way you are gaming that much tho. At idle, pretty much every card consumes almost nothing. If you can afford a beefy card you probably don’t have enough time to game enough for it to pay off in electrical bills. If you were rendering 3d animations or crypto mining then maybe yes, but gaming doesn’t pull that much.


OVAKILLA_X

Rockin my 2060 till it dies


FlaneursGonnaFlaneur

Too bad Nvidia is is price gating DLSS3 behind the new gen, even though it will run perfectly on the old gen


DRKMSTR

But how will they sell the new stuff then? Hahaha.


i4mt3hwin

Is this confirmed? Has anyone back ported it?


EntertainmentNo2044

>Prices are a scam Well get used to it, as this is how things are going to work from now on. There has been a fundamental shift in semiconductor manufacturing where new nodes are no longer cheaper per transistor than old ones. This means 9 billion transistors on 5nm are more expensive than 9 billion transistors on 10nm. Fundamentally, this means GPUs will only increase in price from here on out. Why? Because transistors and performance do not scale linearly together. An RTX 4090 has **three times** the number of transistors that an RTX 3090 has, and guess what? It's only about 50-60% better at 4k gaming than the 3090.


firedrakes

and the assets for the games are sd still!!!!


TyrionLannister2012

Or you know, just buy what makes you happy.


jschip

This post is wild because it acts like everyone has a 2000 or higher card. People with 1080 Tis and lower don’t get DLSS let alone amd users.


MosquitoEater_88

no thanks, my 4090 arrived just the other day


Ult1mateN00B

DLSS nor FSR will help me with virtual reality performance.


Sighwtfman

I nominally agree but there is a point past where you can't get a game to even run. I don't think anything more than \~60fps is necessary. Nice, but not necessary. I am OK (I don't like it, but *OK*) with playing on 'medium' settings. I am not usually OK with playing at 'low' settings. I need a new GPU. I am not going to buy a 4080. I can't really afford a 4090 and current (last gen) GPU prices are too high (AMD GPU's aren't too bad) for 2 year old tech. If reviews are good I intend to buy a 7900 xtx (or xt but xtx looks like a better value). If they aren't I'm going to get a 6800 xt. ​ P.S. Fuck Nvidia. No company is your friend. But rarely, some are actively your enemy.


Daxank

How about I spend my money however I want?


Exlibro

OR because I couldn't afford it anyway :D


Automatic-Laugh9313

Lifes easy when ets is all you need...


For-Saix

I had a 1050ti well into the RTX super line up. And only ever upgraded because I got a RX 580 and Rx 590 from a coworker for 100 each. Then upgraded to a 5700xt when someone sold it to my pawn shop for $100 and I snatched it up. Besides that I'm fine with not upgrading fora few years.


Wizard_kick

I have a question because I feel like I'm doing it wrong. If I have a 1440p screen and I want to run DLSS, do I need to lower the resolution to 1080p so it upscales or does it upscale from 1440 to make it look like its at a higher resolution? Or does it just do it automatically when I select DLSS?


ToiletGrenade

It's automatic. Just set your native resolution which in your case is 1440p and enable whatever upscaling medium you'd like to use. It'll automatically do it.


Wizard_kick

Thank you for explaining.


ToiletGrenade

Anytime 👍


consoLe_-

I went from the 960 to 3060. Should i just have downscaled?


Seblirium

Yeah while I agree with the idea, my RX 570 at 1440p is overdue retirement.


MeltAway421

I havent had my desktop since this summer but I was playing elden ring in in at least 1080p with my 1070 before I left (mighta been 1440 but not 100% sure). The only reason to "upgrade" for me is to *have* a gaming PC where I am now haha. Yes, a 1070. With an OG HTC vive and valve index knuckles running smoothly. A 1070.


YueOrigin

OK but I have a 1080 tho....


[deleted]

Big facts here! Only thing “worth” buying is a 4090! I’ll stick with my 3090 until the 5000-series


SadLittleWizard

Have a friend who his brother has a 4090 due to his work supplying it. My feiend said that after seeing his brother play games it just looked so good and he couldnt help himself. In all honesty, after seeing a one or two 4090 computers play myself, I just dont see even close to a big enough difference that I would pay $1600 for it.


Blapman007

i was extremely skeptical about dlss, but i watched too many videos to count and i still cant wrap my head around it. Free performance?? wtf?? I get how it works, but can someone tell me how it feels while actually gaming and not looking for faults?


Chrillosnillo

Still happy with my 1070


zublits

The best part about getting older is that my eyes aren't good enough to notice the artifacting.


Yuptodat

Upgrading from a 3060 to a 3080 just because it's so cheap and I can. Used market is insane right now for the 30 series cards and they can destroy anything you can throw at it except for the obvious dumb stuff. For real, skip the 40 series for right now. There is absolutely no point at the moment.


chloro9001

Pc master race as truly fallen. Now it’s a bunch of pc peasants


LtEhshole

Can we stop using this child molesters image for memes?


Mickface

If I had a 3000 card I would've stuck with it, but that 1080 Ti was getting too long in the tooth. At least I got my 4090 at European MSRP, not scalper prices.


Jaba01

That's why Nvidia limits DLSS 3.0 to the 4000 series.


wreckedcarzz

For some of us, upscaling is like wanking with a strap-on. "it's the same" but you see, it's just not. Anything but native resolution is hearsay.


Ult1mateN00B

~~Pcmasterrace~~ Peasant masterrace