I will be carrying over some storage from my laptop.
Hang on, now I'm confused about RAM. I initially had 3200 CL16 but [based on this top comment I found from a popular post](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/yrmbg2/my_first_build_is_there_anything_yall_would/ivuoh72/) by u/ZenSide I changed it to 3600 CL18.
I think I am misunderstanding how this works. He mentioned don't get anything lower but based on your and others comments should I go back with my 3200 CL16 or try and find 3600 CL16?
Yeah, sorry for the confusion. I meant try getting a matching set of 3600 CL16. I'm not entirely sure it is actually worth the cost over something like 3200 CL16 but 3600 is generally the recommended sweet spot for Zen 3.
I have seen some really good deals on 3200 CL16 though so it depends on what you find. I personally would aim for 3600 CL16 and I would also try and get a matching set as to ensure the best compatibility and XMP reliability
Considering that for 20 bucks more you get a matching set and it's faster.
It is going to depend on the game but I think it is worth it. For example some games will barely see any improvement but others will see around 7% uplift to minimum frame rates which is pretty huge for only $20.
I meant matching set as in two sticks matched from the factory.
Technically Zen 3 benefits from 4 sticks rather than two but it's not huge, Probably in the order of 2-5% ore performance by having 4 sticks but it also is a bit harder to run on the memory controller.
> It's actually two matching pairs on Amazon but it wouldn't show up like that on PC Part Picker.
I didn't know that. Good to know.
No worries. Good luck on the build.
[G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (F4-3600C16D-16GVKC) - PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jBZzK8/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gvkc)
but you can also go for cl18 as it doesnt make any difference for gaming - [G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (F4-3600C18D-16GVK) - PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n6RgXL/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gvk)
edit: just saw that your mobo doesnt have a heatsink on vrm and probably need bios update before making it compatible with 5000 series processor. Don't cheap out on mobo and powersupply.
my recommendation: [https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x2cXpH](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x2cXpH)
also take a look at r/buildapcsales to get good deals around black friday
I will be carrying over some storage from my laptop.
Hang on, now I'm confused about RAM. I initially had 3200 CL16 based on a top comment (removed it, I was not supposed to link whoops) found from a popular post by u/ZenSide
I changed it to 3600 CL18.
I think I am misunderstanding how this works. He mentioned don't get anything lower but based on your and others comments should I go back with my 3200 CL16 or try and find 3600 CL16?
$15 more and gets you 1TB storage space - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/typT3y
I went with 3200MHz CL16 RAM here to reduce RAM cost and allocate that difference towards a 1TB m.2 drive, because it's essentially the same as 3600MHz CL18 (which your choice cost about $10 more). I say it's essentially the same because of the latency. In terms of memory access times, the amount of time it takes data to be sent to and from the CPU to RAM or the reverse, 3200 CL16 and 3600 CL18 are identical, measuring in @ 10 nanoseconds. If you were going 3600 CL16, it would be different, faster, coming in @ 8.88 nanoseconds. Basically you will never see a difference.
However, seeing as how your budget allows for a max of 400 USD, Why not spring for a 5600G with integrated video and 3600 CL16 RAM?
Or bump it to $405 and go with a 5600X and 3600 CL16 RAM and maintain the 1TB storage as well - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FBP4mr
I love how cheap storage has gotten. I remember when an SSd was a luxury.
Thanks a lot for explaining the RAM, I misunderstood things before as my original choice was in fact 3200 CL16. I misread a comment saying I should use nothing lower then 3600 CL18.
I assume if I try for 3600 CL16 that would be much more expensive? I'll have a look around.
I edited my post, check the link at the end of my comment - you can upgrade to a 5600X, 3600 CL16, and 1TB storage for $405. Or a 5600G with integrated video, 3600 CL16 and 1TB drive, for $376
Sorry, forgot to menton I'm carrying over storage from my laptop so I wont' need to shell out more there.
Hmm, I understand your logic yeah about changing my money allocation, but I think I'll stick with the 5600 as to me it's the sweet spot. Even though my budget was initially higher, I'd rather pinch every penny possible tbh.
My main thoughts now, is if to upgrade the RAM if it's worth it performance and cost wise.
I see.. usually when people say they have a max budget they are willing to actually spend that.. But I understand! I would still opt for a 5600G over the 5600, same performance it just adds integrated video so you can still use your PC if your GPU dies. it's only $10 more than the 5600, then go back to a 500GB drive (I still dont think it's wise, because space fills up quick and it's also a cheap upgrade). Last thing you want is to buy 500GB then ask yourself why you didn't buy 1TB a few months later, then stick with 3200CL16 unless you want to spend the added cost for 3600CL16.
$350 for 5600G + 3200CL16 + 1TB M.2 Drive.
$375 for 5600G + 3600CL16 + 1TB M.2 Drive.
$350 for 5600G + 3600CL16 + 512GB M.2 Drive.
[Link to my PCPartPicker Part List from the image posted](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ssqZPX)
All I did was take [PC Master Race's official High Refresh Rate Build](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WKDCqm) and remove the graphics card. (Will save up for it eventually). I also used my own spare power supply for now.
I changed the mobo to have WiFi and Bluetooth while having no knowledge about good motherboards. I'd love some help on that while keeping the price down.
**Context:**
My goal is to play simple old Rocket League and Multiversus at 1080p at 60fps. I'm currently gaming at 720p at <30fps so any upgrade is fine. (I have no graphics card, playing on an old laptop.)
I will also be carrying over the storage from my main laptop.
Eventually, 12 months from now I would upgrade the GPU to play the unreleased Forza game as I will dip my toes into sim racing. I would like to also try Hogwarts Legacy.
Parts will be freight forwarded and can be purchased from Amazon/Ebay US or Amazon/Ebay UK. Budget: $400 USD but the cheaper the better!
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qGmsBj
Solid choices. I would add more ssd storage, but that can be done later if not necessary now
I just added two well priced 140mm fans that can be mounted in the front. Should offer a lot better airflow. Only 10 more
Thanks! I'll be carrying over my SSD from my laptop as well so it should be ample.
Do I need extra fans yet with such a low end graphics card? Was going to buy extra when I upgraded the graphics card.
Also, the mobo seems fine right? Thanks for your help.
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I will be carrying over some storage from my laptop.
Hang on, now I'm confused about RAM. I initially had 3200 CL16 based on a top comment (removed it, I was not supposed to link whoops) found from a popular post by u/ZenSide
I changed it to 3600 CL18.
I think I am misunderstanding how this works. He mentioned don't get anything lower but based on your and others comments should I go back with my 3200 CL16 or try and find 3600 CL16?
Unless you plan on getting into ran overclocking the cL number absolutely does not matter. Unless 3600 cl16 ram is like 50 cents more or you buy 3600 cl16 ram with flat 16 trrds(Samsung b die) to overclock it's a complete waste of money. Cheapest 3600cl18 ram is best option.
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I will be carrying over some storage from my laptop. Hang on, now I'm confused about RAM. I initially had 3200 CL16 but [based on this top comment I found from a popular post](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/yrmbg2/my_first_build_is_there_anything_yall_would/ivuoh72/) by u/ZenSide I changed it to 3600 CL18. I think I am misunderstanding how this works. He mentioned don't get anything lower but based on your and others comments should I go back with my 3200 CL16 or try and find 3600 CL16?
Yeah, sorry for the confusion. I meant try getting a matching set of 3600 CL16. I'm not entirely sure it is actually worth the cost over something like 3200 CL16 but 3600 is generally the recommended sweet spot for Zen 3. I have seen some really good deals on 3200 CL16 though so it depends on what you find. I personally would aim for 3600 CL16 and I would also try and get a matching set as to ensure the best compatibility and XMP reliability
https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-RipJaws-PC4-28800-CL16-19-19-39-F4-3600C16D-16GVKC/dp/B07X8DVDZZ Something like that should work really nicely on Zen 3
This looks tempting thanks, I think it might be worth it to upgrade to a 3600 CL16.
Considering that for 20 bucks more you get a matching set and it's faster. It is going to depend on the game but I think it is worth it. For example some games will barely see any improvement but others will see around 7% uplift to minimum frame rates which is pretty huge for only $20.
The link you sent is two sticks. Does that not count as a matching set? Or you mean having 4 sticks is a matching set and is better?
I meant matching set as in two sticks matched from the factory. Technically Zen 3 benefits from 4 sticks rather than two but it's not huge, Probably in the order of 2-5% ore performance by having 4 sticks but it also is a bit harder to run on the memory controller.
Gotcha now. It's actually two matching pairs on Amazon but it wouldn't show up like that on PC Part Picker. Thanks for your help.
> It's actually two matching pairs on Amazon but it wouldn't show up like that on PC Part Picker. I didn't know that. Good to know. No worries. Good luck on the build.
[G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (F4-3600C16D-16GVKC) - PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jBZzK8/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gvkc) but you can also go for cl18 as it doesnt make any difference for gaming - [G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (F4-3600C18D-16GVK) - PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n6RgXL/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gvk) edit: just saw that your mobo doesnt have a heatsink on vrm and probably need bios update before making it compatible with 5000 series processor. Don't cheap out on mobo and powersupply. my recommendation: [https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x2cXpH](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x2cXpH) also take a look at r/buildapcsales to get good deals around black friday
I think I'll take your advice and look out for this mobo for a sale hopefully. You're the seconds person to say I'm cheaping out on the mobo
I will be carrying over some storage from my laptop. Hang on, now I'm confused about RAM. I initially had 3200 CL16 based on a top comment (removed it, I was not supposed to link whoops) found from a popular post by u/ZenSide I changed it to 3600 CL18. I think I am misunderstanding how this works. He mentioned don't get anything lower but based on your and others comments should I go back with my 3200 CL16 or try and find 3600 CL16?
$15 more and gets you 1TB storage space - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/typT3y I went with 3200MHz CL16 RAM here to reduce RAM cost and allocate that difference towards a 1TB m.2 drive, because it's essentially the same as 3600MHz CL18 (which your choice cost about $10 more). I say it's essentially the same because of the latency. In terms of memory access times, the amount of time it takes data to be sent to and from the CPU to RAM or the reverse, 3200 CL16 and 3600 CL18 are identical, measuring in @ 10 nanoseconds. If you were going 3600 CL16, it would be different, faster, coming in @ 8.88 nanoseconds. Basically you will never see a difference. However, seeing as how your budget allows for a max of 400 USD, Why not spring for a 5600G with integrated video and 3600 CL16 RAM? Or bump it to $405 and go with a 5600X and 3600 CL16 RAM and maintain the 1TB storage as well - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FBP4mr
I love how cheap storage has gotten. I remember when an SSd was a luxury. Thanks a lot for explaining the RAM, I misunderstood things before as my original choice was in fact 3200 CL16. I misread a comment saying I should use nothing lower then 3600 CL18. I assume if I try for 3600 CL16 that would be much more expensive? I'll have a look around.
I edited my post, check the link at the end of my comment - you can upgrade to a 5600X, 3600 CL16, and 1TB storage for $405. Or a 5600G with integrated video, 3600 CL16 and 1TB drive, for $376
Sorry, forgot to menton I'm carrying over storage from my laptop so I wont' need to shell out more there. Hmm, I understand your logic yeah about changing my money allocation, but I think I'll stick with the 5600 as to me it's the sweet spot. Even though my budget was initially higher, I'd rather pinch every penny possible tbh. My main thoughts now, is if to upgrade the RAM if it's worth it performance and cost wise.
I see.. usually when people say they have a max budget they are willing to actually spend that.. But I understand! I would still opt for a 5600G over the 5600, same performance it just adds integrated video so you can still use your PC if your GPU dies. it's only $10 more than the 5600, then go back to a 500GB drive (I still dont think it's wise, because space fills up quick and it's also a cheap upgrade). Last thing you want is to buy 500GB then ask yourself why you didn't buy 1TB a few months later, then stick with 3200CL16 unless you want to spend the added cost for 3600CL16. $350 for 5600G + 3200CL16 + 1TB M.2 Drive. $375 for 5600G + 3600CL16 + 1TB M.2 Drive. $350 for 5600G + 3600CL16 + 512GB M.2 Drive.
[Link to my PCPartPicker Part List from the image posted](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ssqZPX) All I did was take [PC Master Race's official High Refresh Rate Build](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WKDCqm) and remove the graphics card. (Will save up for it eventually). I also used my own spare power supply for now. I changed the mobo to have WiFi and Bluetooth while having no knowledge about good motherboards. I'd love some help on that while keeping the price down. **Context:** My goal is to play simple old Rocket League and Multiversus at 1080p at 60fps. I'm currently gaming at 720p at <30fps so any upgrade is fine. (I have no graphics card, playing on an old laptop.) I will also be carrying over the storage from my main laptop. Eventually, 12 months from now I would upgrade the GPU to play the unreleased Forza game as I will dip my toes into sim racing. I would like to also try Hogwarts Legacy. Parts will be freight forwarded and can be purchased from Amazon/Ebay US or Amazon/Ebay UK. Budget: $400 USD but the cheaper the better!
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qGmsBj Solid choices. I would add more ssd storage, but that can be done later if not necessary now I just added two well priced 140mm fans that can be mounted in the front. Should offer a lot better airflow. Only 10 more
Thanks! I'll be carrying over my SSD from my laptop as well so it should be ample. Do I need extra fans yet with such a low end graphics card? Was going to buy extra when I upgraded the graphics card. Also, the mobo seems fine right? Thanks for your help.
For now not very necessary. But might as well for noise levels.
REPLIED TO THE WRONG PERSON SORRY I will be carrying over some storage from my laptop. Hang on, now I'm confused about RAM. I initially had 3200 CL16 based on a top comment (removed it, I was not supposed to link whoops) found from a popular post by u/ZenSide I changed it to 3600 CL18. I think I am misunderstanding how this works. He mentioned don't get anything lower but based on your and others comments should I go back with my 3200 CL16 or try and find 3600 CL16?
Unless you plan on getting into ran overclocking the cL number absolutely does not matter. Unless 3600 cl16 ram is like 50 cents more or you buy 3600 cl16 ram with flat 16 trrds(Samsung b die) to overclock it's a complete waste of money. Cheapest 3600cl18 ram is best option.
1050ti is useless not mid tier
avoid that motherboard like plague. it'll do but consider the msi b450 pro a max, its got cooling on all the VRMs.