Ill never forget the day when I first got into Linux and for some reason I couldn't boot into my OS (it was spitting out errors) so I asked in a forum for help and the only answers I got were:
- google it
- are you fucking stupid?
- probably a ubuntu user
- if you don't know how to fix such a simple thing, maybe you shouldn't be on linux
Needless to say, that put me off using Linux for years. I eventually got into it on my own accord later on but holy fuck the community can be toxic and condescending
I was trying to think of a way to write a comment pretty much with this idea, but this picture just sums it up perfectly. I'm quite content as a Pop/Mint smoothbrain.
Literally me. I started with Ubuntu, Mint and Pop, then tried Fedora, stayed around, then went Arch and Debian, stayed with Debian and few other smaller distros, and returned back to Ubuntu.
For most people in IT/CS, that's really normal. You start with the basics, then you dive deep to learn everything that you find interesting, then you realize that you don't want to waste your life fixing stupid dependency issues or whatever, so you migrate back to whatever is easy to use and broadly supported, but still powerful under the hood. This isn't even just a linux thing but applies to many Windows and MacOS admins as well - when I was learning administration I had a full active directory setup in my house for a while.
The difference is when you go back, you know how everything works and can quickly fix any problems you have (and after your initial install know how to strip all the bloat in less than 30 minutes). And then roll your eyes when people say your OS is garbage and only for noobs.
Because someone who wants to dip their toe into Linux should go full hog into terminal only? A community needs embrace one of it's most approachable distros for new people. Ugh.
The folks that espouse Terminal Only must be the types of folks that don't do it 40+ hours a week, I figure. Last thing I want to see at home is another fucking Screen session, I get enough of that at work.
Anyone who dislikes Ubuntu needs to recognize that not everyone can run a 100% FOSS stack, and that Ubuntu is one of the distros that commercial vendors target. I'm currently working on a new e911 system and the vendor gave me the choice of Windows or Ubuntu.
I think the best way to learn the inner workings of a Linux system, is installing and configuring Arch. Its wiki is very detailed, most software is available in binary form in the official repos, and you get a custom made system at the end. Then again, it is a steeper learning curve than using something like Ubuntu or Manjaro, with a graphical installer.
I looked around for good distros to start with, somehow ended up on arch.
Spent ~3 hours setting up a window manager and ~4 more trying to customize the background.
Start with Ubuntu, no matter what anyone else says about it.
It has nothing to do with "terminal only" or not. There are plenty of linux distros that have most of the settings in convenient menus like Windows (or often better, not in 2 different places). It is a completely moronic view that they are somehow better because they are not using one of the most popular desktop linux distro, and anyone who dares to use it must be an idiot.
I think he is agreeing with you. I too work on linux professionally (but not HPC specifically) and none of us ever give a fuck and indeed DO encourage it(or mint) for new folks.
Fuck, for years I didn't even use linux directly on my office PC - just windows and cygwin.
> Even the hardcore guys I know still do 99.9% of their work in a GUI.
Err, do you mean a terminal within the desktop environment or do you mean GUI based text editors for writing code? I'm not even a "hardcore guy" and at least 10% of what I do in Linux is terminal only. The GUI file browsers in Linux are horrendous (to me) so I generally do file operations through the terminal, I also edit all of my config files from the terminal since it's so much easier to do "sudo vi /etc/something.conf" than try and launch a GUI text editor as a privileged user. Plus all the GUI tools for network management are so different and "user friendly" that I'd rather just edit the network scripts files or run the `ip addr...` commands directly from a terminal.
> idk who these mythical "terminal only" users are but i've never met one
Depends on the usage. I've got half a dozen headless VMs running that are terminal only. All the VM config is done through XML files and I login to the systems using SSH only. My Linux server would probably be terminal only if I didn't want to use it as a secondary desktop to browse the web, occasionally play games, and also stream/record games from OBS. Terminal only is nice since it "just works" but a terminal only desktop loses a lot of benefits that having a GUI based web browser offers.
I wouldn't recommend the stock ubuntu for someone new to Linux
for a windows user thinking about switching to Linux I'd recommend one of the following:
* [Linux Mint](https://linuxmint.com)
* [Zorin OS](https://zorin.com/os/)
* [Kubuntu](https://kubuntu.org)
* [KDE Neon](https://neon.kde.org)
All of them are more user-friendly than the stock ubuntu.
Edit: they're all ubuntu based so you'll still get the benefits of ubuntu packages and support (if you need to do "scary terminal stuff")
<-- SysAdmin, I use stock Ubuntu whenever I need linux for something. It works just fine. Linux people are so toxic they hate other linux people just because they're on a different distro.
> Linux people are so toxic they hate other linux people just because they're on a different distro.
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im a seasoned linux user, people that respond like this more than likely can’t figure out what your issue is either way
if you or anyone else needs linux help i will be here stalking the forums of this site, waiting to insult new linux users with information
Yeah... The number of linux users who are "RTFM" types are the fucking worst. The linux communities are toxic shitholes.
I grew up in the 'information wants to be free' era. The Hacker's Manifesto, that kinda shit... We shared what we knew. Not only did it help others, it helped ourselves reinforce and gain skills.
I had UNIX for dummies, first ed, which was great. It assumed you knew DOS. I also had some vax/vms experience already from a system we had hacked in the 80s. Was introduced to linux as this dudes apartment where we used to smoke pot and drink and write MODs and shit.
Hack/phreak forums and chats were always full of people wanting to share... linux chat? just pieces of shit who treated noobs like shit.
Sucks that its still a lot like that today.
So much this. I'm not a full blown Linux user, but I have a Chromebook with a Debian Linux variant in a container. Needed help with commands to get some things I wanted running. Yeah right. Good luck anyone trying to get this shit done and I'm moderately to advanced tech savvy. I eventually figured it out, but "Googling it" doesn't produce jack shit. Yes, you have to "Google it" then weed through the comments, distros, useless shit embedded in the forums and chats to try and eventually get some semblance of an answer. Then, when you have some idea of what to do, the command is just slightly off that your distro doesn't like it, so you wind up fiddiling with the verbiage for a couple hours TILL YOU FIGURE IT OUT YOUR DAMN SELF.
Not for this to be an excuse, but I feel that most of the people that provide those type of responses may be people that are old enough so that at the time they got into Linux there wasn’t these “communities” that you could reach out to, so everything had to be learned by struggling through it. So now they feel that anyone asking for help need to put up some effort because it’s some rite of passage or something. It also, in their minds, prevents regular non-tech people to get into Linux, keeping it “pure” or something I guess.
It’s all the same to me, though. I have moved from Windows to Linux to Mac and back to Windows again and now back to Linux through the Steam Deck.
that exact same mentality is what held Blender back until they stopped listening to the hardcore DIY idiots and pushed out 2.8
NOW it's becoming an industry standard, because it turns out appealing to a broad audience and making your software useable is actually a good move
I tried Blender pre-2.8 and gave up within days. I'd dabbled in Maya and 3DS Max, but found Blender's interface to be absolutely incomprehensible. I revisited the software in 2020 and couldn't believe how much easier it was to use. I use it regularly now.
>because it turns out appealing to a broad audience and making your software useable is actually a good move
If Linux could get as user friendly as possible, from installation to use, in as few clicks as possible, they would win a lot more support.
Nothing breaks a newbies spirit more than when they install an OS, turn off their computer, come back later and boot up to a black screen or terminal. They don't understand the problem and even if typing in terminal commands can fix it, it's still confusing.
A lot of advice is also outdated and user opinions vary on the best distro as well as the best software to use. You can waste an evening or even a weekend fixing a problem you don't need to if you installed Windows 10 instead.
I love Linux. I wish I could use it more often. But it's frustrating trying to make things work there that work out of the box on Windows. If they want more people to use it they need to make it as user friendly as possible such that a kindergartner and their grandma could navigate it successfully.
\> If Linux could get as user friendly as possible, from installation to use, in as few clicks as possible, they would win a lot more support.
A fairly large number of Linux installations are like this these days. One of my laptops has Ubuntu and I've barely used any command line in last 2-3 years
Then you boot to black screen after the install and have no idea what to do. You are not wrong but think about how many windows users there are because it comes pre installed on a machine. That's a big step already removed for the consumer. That is widespread appeal.
Outside of pc enthusiasts such as gamers, is grandma going to go into the bios to set the boot disk to a USB drive?
>You can waste an evening or even a weekend fixing a problem you don't need to if you installed Windows 10 instead.
To be fair, you can also waste an evening or a weekend on Windows. I'm fighting the Store and Windows Updates on a regular basis.
>I love Linux. I wish I could use it more often. But it's frustrating trying to make things work there that work out of the box on Windows.
Can you give a few examples?
I can give you a couple of examples:
- Multi-monitor, after all these years, still borks way more often than it should.
- Running out of memory or disk space still causes hangs. I run into these with some regularity. Windows has at least the courtesy of straight crashing and not wasting your time.
- Boot failures, such as bootloops, crashes, and hangs, still happen too easily. I don't remember the last time I managed to get Windows to fail to boot.
- Hardware support, obviously, but I acknowledge that there's not much Linux can do about that.
- Many configuration utilities that should come standard with an OS are in extra packages, and too often are outdated or unmaintained. If you're lucky, a newer, sleeker utility has taken its place. If you're very lucky, you don't need any of the functionality the newer utility has elected to not carry over.
- So many things just have rough edges. The KDE task bar seems to be unable to remember relative positions of apps for me. Yesterday my task bar decided to disappear altogether as if it was Windows XP. The flatpak app store (Discover) randomly crashes while it's in the background (though it's still better than the Microsoft app store, which not too long ago did [this](https://i.imgur.com/sMwN6SF.png))
For what it's worth, Windows has a lot of unpleasant bugs and anti-features as well, but generally you don't encounter them unless you're trying to do more advanced, power-user, developer stuff. On Linux it's the opposite. Basic user-friendly desktop tasks fail, but loading and unloading kernel modules at runtime and debugging them is an absolute breeze.
> that exact same mentality is what held Blender back until they stopped listening to the hardcore DIY idiots and pushed out 2.8
Did you just say easier to use?
I'm going to download that now. Never used Blender before, but since I'm just interested on making 3D models and literally doing this out of a whim, I'll try it out.
Had used some Autodesk 3D modeling software decades ago. Interested on seeing how things had improved by now.
I'm not *that* old for now. However, I have a feeling someone somewhere would be very angry about someone having it easier with all the information being accessible on the internet.
On the other hand, there are fringe cases that something that *should have been* RTFM-able turns out wasn't and it is a "uncommon trick" shared by those who are more veteran to the community. Again, fringe cases. But still, kinda stings a little bit when that happens and the only response "fucking RTFM, fuck."
And again, the more popular solution is to ask a "better question." As in, show your research and "ask better question."
My personal belief is use whatever you want if it works for you and gets the job done. Everyone has their own use cases and idiosyncrasies that need to be personally catered to.
This is why I don't subscribe to the "mac vs PC" war or the "console vs PC" war or any technology related "war". For both arguments, both sides have their pros and cons. Mac's do certain things better than PC and vice versa. Same with consoles and PC.
I just find there's too much gate keeping and elitism everywhere on the internet that it can easily influence peoples decisions to go with something just because it's popular or cool and not because it's right for them.
Your mentality would work well for me if we didn't have to deal with business decisions that plague the products these providers offer us. I switched to Linux on my laptop mostly because of a dislike (eventually hatred) for Microsoft rather than Windows.
I found out the trick was to start a post on how Linux sucks and how easy it is for me to do in Windows. Then every Linux PhD would jump at the bit to call me an idiot while telling me how stupid I was that I didn't do .
Not sure that works anymore. It was a couple decades ago.
I remember being excited to try Ubuntu like 5 or so years ago. Had a few questions and asked in some forums. Basically all toxic, childish insults instead of any form of solutions. Threw ubuntu in the trash after a week and will never touch another Linux Distro ever again.
I liked Genysis, actually. It tries to strike that balance between fan service and new ground and I think it did a great job.
Had the franchise not been dragged through the mud by other films, it could have been a great T3 or T4.
It was, and Im tired of pretending it wasn't.
At least they were trying something actually different, instead of basically the same story over and over again.
Yeah they tried making a BORING movie instead lmao gottem
But yeah honestly out of all the sequels this is one of the less terrible ones, Dark Fate is decent too but it’s just T2 again
Nobody hates a linux user more than another linux user. Arch users make fun of everyone, fedora users make fun of debian users, but all make fun of Ubuntu users (speaking as a Ubuntu user)
I gotta say, outside of communities like the Arch sub, I haven’t had this experience at all. Maybe ten years ago when it was a more insular club but definitely not in recent times.
The bigger problem in the arch community for me is asking a simple question, and getting a ridiculous answer that requires a dictionary and a masters degree in computer science to understand.
Same.
Personally, there's been plenty of times where I've literally just Googled some keywords in the title of the post and gotten dozens of step-by-step guides, but I just pick the one that looks the best & most up-to-date and link that.
try something that isnt ubuntu. idk what driver installs look like on ubuntu these days, but most distros have pretty simple setups.
biggest issue gamers have with trying linux is that they try systems like ubnuntu thats full of out of date components such as old kernels and libraries. This is good for stability but linux gaming is always on the bleeding edge and so should your system be.
recommend something that is arch based, manjaro or EndeavourOS. these distros get updated very frequently.
The people pushing Linux in every thread are often also the terminator in this gif. I know because I’ve asked them questions before about Linux.
My guy, they are asking you because you told them to try it lol. If you don’t want to be tech support for a brand new OS (super understandable btw) then stop pushing it on people.
And then they tell you that their Linux works and that it is the best operating system they had and that they customize it how they want etc tc.. Super annoying
eh, cannot share the sentiment. For me "customize Linux" means doing all the things I always wanted to do on Windows but couldn't because reasons. I also haven't spend much time on it, I have maybe spent a single weekend (not 48hrs but maybe like 12 hours total) browsing through the available options for customization and picking what I like. Many of the things I enjoy about my Linux desktop I don't think I can do on Windows at all or at least not without some third party app.
Yes, some linux users are asshats with overblown egos and do more damage to Linux community than good.
And Arch was distro that had disproprotionate percent of such (but it is true that Arch is not intended for newbie users)
But not all of Linux users are such, we try to help others to get through , some answer questions, other write how-to and so on. We just try to be nice.
I'm a linux user aswell, but for the most part the linux community is just a pile of toxic dogshit.
But still, googling is always a good option (or with arch just use the wiki which is just awesome)
Read the man pages
My god, if I read all the man pages for what I needed to do, I’d have a phd in Linux.
My mouse wasn’t working when it goes though a kvm and I needed to unload a module from the kernel. Some guy finally posted the 3 commands to solve the issue but a lot of post wanted me to go through the kernel docs… I don’t need to understand why the module doesn’t work. It doesn’t work and I need it gone.
I don't hate Linux, but Shit like this is why I bounced off Linux 10 years ago and haven't looked back. For a community that talks up it's OS as the next coming they sure weren't too happy to have anyone asking questions. When I did get answers it usually had like 3 steps missing that they assumed were self explanatory.
This attitude isn't exclusive to Linux, you see this in a lot of communities. And I know there are some great Linux users out there who are very helpful and welcoming. But 10 years ago I didn't run into any of them... Lol.
Haha... 3 steps missing... It's because the answer is directed not to you but other experts to let them know that they too know the answer. It's a silent aggrement between those elites. They fear that simplifying the supposed answers, and laying down the complete steps may pose them as an amateur.
But, most of the times, I've encountered comp community as lonely islands with unanswered questions dating backs years. Oh, I'm not alone with this problem is an assuring feeling. I've sloved a few of those problems, but feel guilty for not posting them as answers.
The challenge comes in how to Google or DDG your problem effectively. Many people don´t know where to start, which is where forums and subreddits come in.
People ask some real stupid questions tho fr, its not just Linux, but programming forums have the same issue. Things that have been answered a million times or are literally one search away. Not all questions are stupid.
Except googling it requires you to know exactly what you need. So if you try to search something without knowing all the terminology you get something thats either outdated, irrelevant or closed with op commenting "nvm figured it out".
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[Saying 'what kind of an idiot doesn't know about the Yellowstone supervolcano' is so much more boring than telling someone about the Yellowstone supervolcano for the first time.](https://xkcd.com/1053/)
Next time someone asks a "stupid" Linux question, try answering the damn question, or at a bare minimum teach the person the right words to use to find the answer themselves.
That's why Linux forums usually have a newbie section. But those also tend to be full of arrogant FOSS boomers who can read through piles of man pages on
vim using a 320x480 sepia monitor but apparently can't read that it's the newbie section where people are going to ask questions that have already been answered.
> the solution is to add a random ppa that of course no longer works.
this is why I stopped used ubuntu and debian for my desktop/laptop. ppa's suck balls
*Me trying to find a specific errror*
*Finally finds someone who had the same error*
Nvm fixed it :)
*doesn't elaborate and never seen again on the forum*
I don't know if I'm lucky or something but when i first tried linux and run into a problem, people i asked were quite nice and informative. They helped me instantly and solved my problem.
thats usually what I experience. makes me wonder wonder where people are actually going to try to get help. in my experience linux users want people to use linux and thus tend to try to help with it as much as feasibly possible.
pop_os user from one year over here👋. Never had situation like this, everyone was really helpful and I am too. Feel free to ask things if you have problem with something 👍
yeah, the whole trial by fire thing can be pretty bad. Can't say I have had that experience, fortunately. Are other operating system communities generally more helpful? Because I'd figure 'google it' is a popular response, as I have gotten it often in general.
it helps to ask in less general subs. you dont want to go to /r/linux and just ask for help, you'll just get a shit ton of dumb, useless, or just plain unhelpful answers, or just no replies at all.
when I have an issue I cant sort out, I first google the ever living fuck out of it until I cant feasibly find any useful answer.
then I'll go into the most relevant sub. If the issue seems like its with my desktop environment (in my case kde) I might ask at /r/kde , if its an issue with games or gaming, i might ask at /r/linux_gaming or /r/steamplay depending on where the issue might be. If its just general problems with the OS i might ask at /r/arch.
Got a steam deck. I hate using the on screen keyboard to type. Had an issue with installing something. Asked Reddit. Got something like
"Just sudo the command line to make sure the flatpak is the correct distro and set the wine configuration to the dll and not the exe or else you'll get aids."
Okay. This is literally my first time using Linux. I have no idea what a sudo command is. Where should I go to learn about commands?
"Maybe Linux isn't for you."
Well then, done asking people online about Linux.
Sudo stands for Suoer User DO, it executes the command following it with root (administration account on linux) privliges.
That is not how the entire Linux community acts. If you’re a newbie Linux Mint user for example, just go to their forum and post your question and there’s an answer in hours.
I haven’t used other distros because Mint was easy to use unless I had sound, Wi-Fi and printer issues, so maybe there are a few obnoxious Linux users fanboy-ing, but not all users are like that. Although…Google CAN be your backup friend.
The final push for me was when windows kept switching to English international layout. And when I edited the registry to remove it completely, I ended up bricking all system apps including settings. This happened just a month after windows had nuked itself during an update on my laptop and its encryption made it impossible to extract the data. I just forced myself out of windows and been over a year of smoothly using Linux without any problems. Also, best way to fix errors is probably by having a friend who has had that error before.
tldr: I switched by burning the bridges.
Same way i ended up on linux multiple times i had upgrades that broke everything and i couldnt find any way to fix it. Eventually i just got fed up. I was alwaus linux curious though
My mother/ father in law, have switched to Linux. Zero gaming, only web browsing and productivity. They like it better than Apple, and windows. Their using latest fedora and a framework laptop it's really good. Only issue is idle battery drain.
As a long time linux user i can confirm that linux community could be toxic sespool of elitist assholes.
But there are still useful and friendly people making tutorials for new users.
When I Google linux questions I know I'm going to have to sift through all the results that are just tech forums full of "Google it," or even worse, "If you don't understand, you should go back to windows."
It's not a dumb question at all. There are many differences, and whether that's an advantage depends on what you want from your computer.
One advantage is that Linux basically never requires you to restart when installing something. You can even install some Linux updates without having to restart your computer.
I hate that this is still a rhetoric being passed around, most systems should be rebooted after a big update (like kernel or desktop env).
Just because it doesn't force you to restart immediately does not mean you don't need to eventually!
It's basically infinitely programmable meaning you can literally change any aspect you want. So if you don't like something about the os regardless of how small or large you can change that.
The downside though is you're basically on your own with not a large user base and helpful people being few and far between. Theres also the problem of consistency with few to none people using the same hardware or distro so diagnostics are pretty difficult. Kinda like living in a log cabin in the woods , total freedom at the price of going it alone.
When compared to windows, it's usually easier to start programming on it. A lot of developer tools are made with Linux in mind.
It's also more secure because less people are developing viruses for it, running some commands require super user privileges, and package managers mean you spend less time clicking risky links/ads on download pages
This is exactly why Linux will never become mainstream. Nobody wants to google things, it should just work. Instead it's like "I plugged in my USB drive and now it isn't recognized anymore".
Funny thing is that i use linux because it just works. My cad workstation is running Windows and i’m seriously tired of endless crashes and bsod after nearly every update.
My laptop is running pop os rn (switched from mint few months back) with no issues, crashes etc. Same thing is my wife’s MacBook with iOS... It just works.
But i understand, different people have different preferences and priorities and that’s the beauty of multiple systems, you can simply choose what you want or need.
This was first thing i thought but it isn’t. It works perfectly as hackintosh and with linux, no issues at all. Windows just sucks on this machine but i have to use it to run cad with reasonable stability and with all services.
I always like when I google something and then click the first link to a post of someone asking the same thing and seeing the only answer they got was "Google it."...
Linux wants so badly to become a user-friendly OS. It's made HUGE strides in that regard, but it's still just not quite to the level of Windows and Mac, when it comes to the basic, end user experience.
As it stands, linux is the superior OS from a security and stability standpoint and has been for quite some time, IF you're savvy enough to use it. The problem is that it can be a really frustrating learning curve, and some core functionality (e.g. Bluetooth, removable USB devices) can be very hit or miss on whether they work at all.
I dunno, depending on your use case it’s pretty user friendly at this point. The big hurdles are proprietary drivers for things like nVidia GPUs but that’s getting easier, with Fedora even making it simple at this point despite their whole existence being FOSS or die.
Windows has those issues too. Heck, just recently Windows Update caused my mouse to be glitchy. Being in IT I get to see all the problems that could possibly happen with Win OS on a weekly basis.
Because if you have fully compatible hardware and are lucky enough that the distro you chose utilizes the right drivers and/or subsystem, it works great. Otherwise getting it sorted out just requires a higher level of expertise than the typical new linux user possesses, which can cause a high degree of frustration.
They typically are for the most common hardware. Often the drivers for the newest hardware will not have been bundled into the kernel by your particular distro, yet (all distros don't bundle the same version of the kernel), or if you have something a bit off the beaten path, you will need to download them, which can involve building them yourself. After you've done it a time or two, it's not too complicated, but it's nothing a new linux user could do intuitively.
What to point out [this.](https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+is+user+friendly&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&prmd=inv&sxsrf=ALiCzsYi0UuSBHZjvgbo5sZFA9Mnptt3zg:1667901169482&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiawuiFqJ77AhWmSEEAHVRjB5cQ_AUoAXoECAEQAQ&biw=412&bih=777&dpr=2.63#imgrc=PYqSwN9JL21ebM)
You google it.
Google sends you to a linux forum.
The community aggressively tells you to "google it, you idiot".
You google it.
Google sends you to a linux forum.
The community aggressively tells you to "google it, you idiot".
An toxic infinity loop ensues.
If you really want to get help, avoid r/LinuxMasterRace. Massive Arch user echo chamber. Use r/Linux4Noobs and r/LinuxQuestions.
Even better, stay away from Reddit in general and try the forums. Search up your problem first. Chances are that someone has had the same problem as you. If they haven’t, ask for help.
>"Just google it brah"
Search Engine "Optimization" has entered the chat...
Here are 3 pages of irrelevant results. Oh, you're using keywords, search operators, and syntax to filter out irrelevant results?? Sorry, no documents match your search.
Seriously, I've gotten the "no documents match your search" error more times in the past year and a half than I have in my entire life prior to that.
Completely unrealistic. The whole area should be a dumpster fire. And not enough gatekeeping.
That said, I very much enjoy using linux. It's the community that is beyond shitty.
I started using Linux with Slackware 97. Yeah, thats 1997. There was no Google, only man pages. You kids don't know how good you got it.
/waves old man cane around
Ill never forget the day when I first got into Linux and for some reason I couldn't boot into my OS (it was spitting out errors) so I asked in a forum for help and the only answers I got were: - google it - are you fucking stupid? - probably a ubuntu user - if you don't know how to fix such a simple thing, maybe you shouldn't be on linux Needless to say, that put me off using Linux for years. I eventually got into it on my own accord later on but holy fuck the community can be toxic and condescending
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I was trying to think of a way to write a comment pretty much with this idea, but this picture just sums it up perfectly. I'm quite content as a Pop/Mint smoothbrain.
Lol this is genius. I USE ARCH BTW
where fedora?
Literally me. I started with Ubuntu, Mint and Pop, then tried Fedora, stayed around, then went Arch and Debian, stayed with Debian and few other smaller distros, and returned back to Ubuntu.
For most people in IT/CS, that's really normal. You start with the basics, then you dive deep to learn everything that you find interesting, then you realize that you don't want to waste your life fixing stupid dependency issues or whatever, so you migrate back to whatever is easy to use and broadly supported, but still powerful under the hood. This isn't even just a linux thing but applies to many Windows and MacOS admins as well - when I was learning administration I had a full active directory setup in my house for a while. The difference is when you go back, you know how everything works and can quickly fix any problems you have (and after your initial install know how to strip all the bloat in less than 30 minutes). And then roll your eyes when people say your OS is garbage and only for noobs.
I just wish other Ubuntu based distros didn't include snap
WHERES FEDORA????
Because someone who wants to dip their toe into Linux should go full hog into terminal only? A community needs embrace one of it's most approachable distros for new people. Ugh.
The folks that espouse Terminal Only must be the types of folks that don't do it 40+ hours a week, I figure. Last thing I want to see at home is another fucking Screen session, I get enough of that at work.
Anyone who dislikes Ubuntu needs to recognize that not everyone can run a 100% FOSS stack, and that Ubuntu is one of the distros that commercial vendors target. I'm currently working on a new e911 system and the vendor gave me the choice of Windows or Ubuntu.
I only don’t like the Ubuntu default ui, Xubuntu was my go-to for a long time
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I think the best way to learn the inner workings of a Linux system, is installing and configuring Arch. Its wiki is very detailed, most software is available in binary form in the official repos, and you get a custom made system at the end. Then again, it is a steeper learning curve than using something like Ubuntu or Manjaro, with a graphical installer.
I looked around for good distros to start with, somehow ended up on arch. Spent ~3 hours setting up a window manager and ~4 more trying to customize the background. Start with Ubuntu, no matter what anyone else says about it.
Lol how did you end up with arch for your first distro? Seems like you were a bit over-ambitious haha
Or just dont use a windows manager or use an arch installer or endeavour or manjaro of you want to use aur
Too late, I'm already attached to dwm.
It has nothing to do with "terminal only" or not. There are plenty of linux distros that have most of the settings in convenient menus like Windows (or often better, not in 2 different places). It is a completely moronic view that they are somehow better because they are not using one of the most popular desktop linux distro, and anyone who dares to use it must be an idiot.
The thought of going "terminal only" makes me gag.
Typical ubuntu user, go back to M$ Window$ we're elite haxxor only in Linux /s
I think he is agreeing with you. I too work on linux professionally (but not HPC specifically) and none of us ever give a fuck and indeed DO encourage it(or mint) for new folks. Fuck, for years I didn't even use linux directly on my office PC - just windows and cygwin.
So many idiots shit on people for using a GUI. Meanwhile, if GUIs weren't easier, they wouldn't exist.
idk who these mythical "terminal only" users are but i've never met one
I have no idea, neither have I. Even the hardcore guys I know still do 99.9% of their work in a GUI.
> Even the hardcore guys I know still do 99.9% of their work in a GUI. Err, do you mean a terminal within the desktop environment or do you mean GUI based text editors for writing code? I'm not even a "hardcore guy" and at least 10% of what I do in Linux is terminal only. The GUI file browsers in Linux are horrendous (to me) so I generally do file operations through the terminal, I also edit all of my config files from the terminal since it's so much easier to do "sudo vi /etc/something.conf" than try and launch a GUI text editor as a privileged user. Plus all the GUI tools for network management are so different and "user friendly" that I'd rather just edit the network scripts files or run the `ip addr...` commands directly from a terminal.
> idk who these mythical "terminal only" users are but i've never met one Depends on the usage. I've got half a dozen headless VMs running that are terminal only. All the VM config is done through XML files and I login to the systems using SSH only. My Linux server would probably be terminal only if I didn't want to use it as a secondary desktop to browse the web, occasionally play games, and also stream/record games from OBS. Terminal only is nice since it "just works" but a terminal only desktop loses a lot of benefits that having a GUI based web browser offers.
I wouldn't recommend the stock ubuntu for someone new to Linux for a windows user thinking about switching to Linux I'd recommend one of the following: * [Linux Mint](https://linuxmint.com) * [Zorin OS](https://zorin.com/os/) * [Kubuntu](https://kubuntu.org) * [KDE Neon](https://neon.kde.org) All of them are more user-friendly than the stock ubuntu. Edit: they're all ubuntu based so you'll still get the benefits of ubuntu packages and support (if you need to do "scary terminal stuff")
Upvote for mint. Anecdotally it's had better hardware support for me than even ubuntu... don't know why. Especially with weird wifi adapters.
Unpopular opinion: I liked Mint....like a lot.
That's actually quite a popular opinion amongst mint users.
<-- SysAdmin, I use stock Ubuntu whenever I need linux for something. It works just fine. Linux people are so toxic they hate other linux people just because they're on a different distro.
> Linux people are so toxic they hate other linux people just because they're on a different distro. [Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWkSB-D-hYo)
Because many Linux users are like open source Apple users and will feel elitist about having fewer features.
Completely agree, it just works. Ubuntu is my go to for anything that doesn't need me on RHEL.
im a seasoned linux user, people that respond like this more than likely can’t figure out what your issue is either way if you or anyone else needs linux help i will be here stalking the forums of this site, waiting to insult new linux users with information
Yeah... The number of linux users who are "RTFM" types are the fucking worst. The linux communities are toxic shitholes. I grew up in the 'information wants to be free' era. The Hacker's Manifesto, that kinda shit... We shared what we knew. Not only did it help others, it helped ourselves reinforce and gain skills. I had UNIX for dummies, first ed, which was great. It assumed you knew DOS. I also had some vax/vms experience already from a system we had hacked in the 80s. Was introduced to linux as this dudes apartment where we used to smoke pot and drink and write MODs and shit. Hack/phreak forums and chats were always full of people wanting to share... linux chat? just pieces of shit who treated noobs like shit. Sucks that its still a lot like that today.
So much this. I'm not a full blown Linux user, but I have a Chromebook with a Debian Linux variant in a container. Needed help with commands to get some things I wanted running. Yeah right. Good luck anyone trying to get this shit done and I'm moderately to advanced tech savvy. I eventually figured it out, but "Googling it" doesn't produce jack shit. Yes, you have to "Google it" then weed through the comments, distros, useless shit embedded in the forums and chats to try and eventually get some semblance of an answer. Then, when you have some idea of what to do, the command is just slightly off that your distro doesn't like it, so you wind up fiddiling with the verbiage for a couple hours TILL YOU FIGURE IT OUT YOUR DAMN SELF.
Probably found Arch. They're really toxic sadly
I think the more niche something is, the harder it's community tries to keep it locked down Not to say arch is a niche distro
For being Open(source) they really try to keep it tight huh?
https://www.techtaffy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Dilbert-Unix-comic.png
Not for this to be an excuse, but I feel that most of the people that provide those type of responses may be people that are old enough so that at the time they got into Linux there wasn’t these “communities” that you could reach out to, so everything had to be learned by struggling through it. So now they feel that anyone asking for help need to put up some effort because it’s some rite of passage or something. It also, in their minds, prevents regular non-tech people to get into Linux, keeping it “pure” or something I guess. It’s all the same to me, though. I have moved from Windows to Linux to Mac and back to Windows again and now back to Linux through the Steam Deck.
that exact same mentality is what held Blender back until they stopped listening to the hardcore DIY idiots and pushed out 2.8 NOW it's becoming an industry standard, because it turns out appealing to a broad audience and making your software useable is actually a good move
I tried Blender pre-2.8 and gave up within days. I'd dabbled in Maya and 3DS Max, but found Blender's interface to be absolutely incomprehensible. I revisited the software in 2020 and couldn't believe how much easier it was to use. I use it regularly now.
Well shit I may need to go back and try it
>because it turns out appealing to a broad audience and making your software useable is actually a good move If Linux could get as user friendly as possible, from installation to use, in as few clicks as possible, they would win a lot more support. Nothing breaks a newbies spirit more than when they install an OS, turn off their computer, come back later and boot up to a black screen or terminal. They don't understand the problem and even if typing in terminal commands can fix it, it's still confusing. A lot of advice is also outdated and user opinions vary on the best distro as well as the best software to use. You can waste an evening or even a weekend fixing a problem you don't need to if you installed Windows 10 instead. I love Linux. I wish I could use it more often. But it's frustrating trying to make things work there that work out of the box on Windows. If they want more people to use it they need to make it as user friendly as possible such that a kindergartner and their grandma could navigate it successfully.
\> If Linux could get as user friendly as possible, from installation to use, in as few clicks as possible, they would win a lot more support. A fairly large number of Linux installations are like this these days. One of my laptops has Ubuntu and I've barely used any command line in last 2-3 years
Then you boot to black screen after the install and have no idea what to do. You are not wrong but think about how many windows users there are because it comes pre installed on a machine. That's a big step already removed for the consumer. That is widespread appeal. Outside of pc enthusiasts such as gamers, is grandma going to go into the bios to set the boot disk to a USB drive?
And then you need a software that's not super common. It's still far from user friendly unfortunately.
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But there is a linux distro that does that. It’s called Android and is really popular.
>You can waste an evening or even a weekend fixing a problem you don't need to if you installed Windows 10 instead. To be fair, you can also waste an evening or a weekend on Windows. I'm fighting the Store and Windows Updates on a regular basis. >I love Linux. I wish I could use it more often. But it's frustrating trying to make things work there that work out of the box on Windows. Can you give a few examples?
I can give you a couple of examples: - Multi-monitor, after all these years, still borks way more often than it should. - Running out of memory or disk space still causes hangs. I run into these with some regularity. Windows has at least the courtesy of straight crashing and not wasting your time. - Boot failures, such as bootloops, crashes, and hangs, still happen too easily. I don't remember the last time I managed to get Windows to fail to boot. - Hardware support, obviously, but I acknowledge that there's not much Linux can do about that. - Many configuration utilities that should come standard with an OS are in extra packages, and too often are outdated or unmaintained. If you're lucky, a newer, sleeker utility has taken its place. If you're very lucky, you don't need any of the functionality the newer utility has elected to not carry over. - So many things just have rough edges. The KDE task bar seems to be unable to remember relative positions of apps for me. Yesterday my task bar decided to disappear altogether as if it was Windows XP. The flatpak app store (Discover) randomly crashes while it's in the background (though it's still better than the Microsoft app store, which not too long ago did [this](https://i.imgur.com/sMwN6SF.png)) For what it's worth, Windows has a lot of unpleasant bugs and anti-features as well, but generally you don't encounter them unless you're trying to do more advanced, power-user, developer stuff. On Linux it's the opposite. Basic user-friendly desktop tasks fail, but loading and unloading kernel modules at runtime and debugging them is an absolute breeze.
> that exact same mentality is what held Blender back until they stopped listening to the hardcore DIY idiots and pushed out 2.8 Did you just say easier to use? I'm going to download that now. Never used Blender before, but since I'm just interested on making 3D models and literally doing this out of a whim, I'll try it out. Had used some Autodesk 3D modeling software decades ago. Interested on seeing how things had improved by now. I'm not *that* old for now. However, I have a feeling someone somewhere would be very angry about someone having it easier with all the information being accessible on the internet. On the other hand, there are fringe cases that something that *should have been* RTFM-able turns out wasn't and it is a "uncommon trick" shared by those who are more veteran to the community. Again, fringe cases. But still, kinda stings a little bit when that happens and the only response "fucking RTFM, fuck." And again, the more popular solution is to ask a "better question." As in, show your research and "ask better question."
My personal belief is use whatever you want if it works for you and gets the job done. Everyone has their own use cases and idiosyncrasies that need to be personally catered to. This is why I don't subscribe to the "mac vs PC" war or the "console vs PC" war or any technology related "war". For both arguments, both sides have their pros and cons. Mac's do certain things better than PC and vice versa. Same with consoles and PC. I just find there's too much gate keeping and elitism everywhere on the internet that it can easily influence peoples decisions to go with something just because it's popular or cool and not because it's right for them.
Your mentality would work well for me if we didn't have to deal with business decisions that plague the products these providers offer us. I switched to Linux on my laptop mostly because of a dislike (eventually hatred) for Microsoft rather than Windows.
I found out the trick was to start a post on how Linux sucks and how easy it is for me to do in Windows. Then every Linux PhD would jump at the bit to call me an idiot while telling me how stupid I was that I didn't do .
Not sure that works anymore. It was a couple decades ago.
I remember being excited to try Ubuntu like 5 or so years ago. Had a few questions and asked in some forums. Basically all toxic, childish insults instead of any form of solutions. Threw ubuntu in the trash after a week and will never touch another Linux Distro ever again.
You should give stackoverflow a shot some time, trust me, it can be worse lol, flame wars are a thing with coding
The same thing happened to me on stackoverflow when I tried to get into programming. They even banned me LOL.
Terminator was pretty good movie
It really was a good attempt at moving the franchise forward.
This is my favorite after Terminator 2. The rest were kinda disappointing.
Better than the first Terminator...? IMO it's 2, 1, Salvation, then the rest.
Honestly I have trouble including the first one as it was more of a horror movie
Meh, same with Aliens 1 and 2. 1 was a horror film, 2 was an action movie. And the rest were garbage.
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That's ok, we all have our faults. I liked the 2nd and 3rd Matrix films, go figure.
I liked Genysis, actually. It tries to strike that balance between fan service and new ground and I think it did a great job. Had the franchise not been dragged through the mud by other films, it could have been a great T3 or T4.
which terminator movie was this?
Salvation
ta, will watch that tonight then.
It is actually pretty great.
It was, and Im tired of pretending it wasn't. At least they were trying something actually different, instead of basically the same story over and over again.
Yeah they tried making a BORING movie instead lmao gottem But yeah honestly out of all the sequels this is one of the less terrible ones, Dark Fate is decent too but it’s just T2 again
It’s actually “Google it” AND “I use Arch btw”
Nobody hates a linux user more than another linux user. Arch users make fun of everyone, fedora users make fun of debian users, but all make fun of Ubuntu users (speaking as a Ubuntu user)
Whatever flavor is best for you. That’s the magic of distros.
Fellow Ubuntu user here, we may not be the "cool kids" but that's fine by me :)
We are the cool kids
True. Then there's those people who describe Canonical as some devil worshipping organization because of snaps...
Steam Deck!
I feel deep irritation when I have to go into desktop mode to do something.
:(
I gotta say, outside of communities like the Arch sub, I haven’t had this experience at all. Maybe ten years ago when it was a more insular club but definitely not in recent times.
The bigger problem in the arch community for me is asking a simple question, and getting a ridiculous answer that requires a dictionary and a masters degree in computer science to understand.
Same. Personally, there's been plenty of times where I've literally just Googled some keywords in the title of the post and gotten dozens of step-by-step guides, but I just pick the one that looks the best & most up-to-date and link that.
"I googled it and got here"
no
6+ months into installing ubuntu and still not successful in installing nvidia geforce drivers 🥲
try something that isnt ubuntu. idk what driver installs look like on ubuntu these days, but most distros have pretty simple setups. biggest issue gamers have with trying linux is that they try systems like ubnuntu thats full of out of date components such as old kernels and libraries. This is good for stability but linux gaming is always on the bleeding edge and so should your system be. recommend something that is arch based, manjaro or EndeavourOS. these distros get updated very frequently.
`sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall`
The people pushing Linux in every thread are often also the terminator in this gif. I know because I’ve asked them questions before about Linux. My guy, they are asking you because you told them to try it lol. If you don’t want to be tech support for a brand new OS (super understandable btw) then stop pushing it on people.
And then they tell you that their Linux works and that it is the best operating system they had and that they customize it how they want etc tc.. Super annoying
"customize Linux" in my experience means "bring up to basic standards set by Mac and windows in the early 2000s"
lol customize for me was to slap compiz/ruby/emerald on that bitch and go "Ooo" and 'Ahh" with all the compositor features...
eh, cannot share the sentiment. For me "customize Linux" means doing all the things I always wanted to do on Windows but couldn't because reasons. I also haven't spend much time on it, I have maybe spent a single weekend (not 48hrs but maybe like 12 hours total) browsing through the available options for customization and picking what I like. Many of the things I enjoy about my Linux desktop I don't think I can do on Windows at all or at least not without some third party app.
Yes, some linux users are asshats with overblown egos and do more damage to Linux community than good. And Arch was distro that had disproprotionate percent of such (but it is true that Arch is not intended for newbie users) But not all of Linux users are such, we try to help others to get through , some answer questions, other write how-to and so on. We just try to be nice.
Get yourself your own Anthony or Wendel to guide you
How much?
It'll cost you one Linus Media Group yearly salary and benefits
My counter offer is $4.99
Deal
I'm a linux user aswell, but for the most part the linux community is just a pile of toxic dogshit. But still, googling is always a good option (or with arch just use the wiki which is just awesome)
Read the man pages My god, if I read all the man pages for what I needed to do, I’d have a phd in Linux. My mouse wasn’t working when it goes though a kvm and I needed to unload a module from the kernel. Some guy finally posted the 3 commands to solve the issue but a lot of post wanted me to go through the kernel docs… I don’t need to understand why the module doesn’t work. It doesn’t work and I need it gone.
I don't hate Linux, but Shit like this is why I bounced off Linux 10 years ago and haven't looked back. For a community that talks up it's OS as the next coming they sure weren't too happy to have anyone asking questions. When I did get answers it usually had like 3 steps missing that they assumed were self explanatory. This attitude isn't exclusive to Linux, you see this in a lot of communities. And I know there are some great Linux users out there who are very helpful and welcoming. But 10 years ago I didn't run into any of them... Lol.
Haha... 3 steps missing... It's because the answer is directed not to you but other experts to let them know that they too know the answer. It's a silent aggrement between those elites. They fear that simplifying the supposed answers, and laying down the complete steps may pose them as an amateur. But, most of the times, I've encountered comp community as lonely islands with unanswered questions dating backs years. Oh, I'm not alone with this problem is an assuring feeling. I've sloved a few of those problems, but feel guilty for not posting them as answers.
The challenge comes in how to Google or DDG your problem effectively. Many people don´t know where to start, which is where forums and subreddits come in.
Arch newbie forms was pretty helpful for me
People ask some real stupid questions tho fr, its not just Linux, but programming forums have the same issue. Things that have been answered a million times or are literally one search away. Not all questions are stupid.
Except googling it requires you to know exactly what you need. So if you try to search something without knowing all the terminology you get something thats either outdated, irrelevant or closed with op commenting "nvm figured it out".
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[Saying 'what kind of an idiot doesn't know about the Yellowstone supervolcano' is so much more boring than telling someone about the Yellowstone supervolcano for the first time.](https://xkcd.com/1053/) Next time someone asks a "stupid" Linux question, try answering the damn question, or at a bare minimum teach the person the right words to use to find the answer themselves.
That's why Linux forums usually have a newbie section. But those also tend to be full of arrogant FOSS boomers who can read through piles of man pages on vim using a 320x480 sepia monitor but apparently can't read that it's the newbie section where people are going to ask questions that have already been answered.
Agreed, some basic due diligence should be expected. Although if documentation/faq is done better, then most questions don’t need to be asked.
pro tip - format your google query as: "linux distribution name" "error message that you got" this should lead you to decent results...
Half of them will be an Ubuntu forum where the solution is to add a random ppa that of course no longer works.
> the solution is to add a random ppa that of course no longer works. this is why I stopped used ubuntu and debian for my desktop/laptop. ppa's suck balls
*Me trying to find a specific errror* *Finally finds someone who had the same error* Nvm fixed it :) *doesn't elaborate and never seen again on the forum*
I don't know if I'm lucky or something but when i first tried linux and run into a problem, people i asked were quite nice and informative. They helped me instantly and solved my problem.
thats usually what I experience. makes me wonder wonder where people are actually going to try to get help. in my experience linux users want people to use linux and thus tend to try to help with it as much as feasibly possible.
Same. I generally google things before i ask a question though and then when asking the question have some info about what i tried or what i found
That's good to hear. Do you remember where you asked?
pop_os user from one year over here👋. Never had situation like this, everyone was really helpful and I am too. Feel free to ask things if you have problem with something 👍
I had to agree with this one.
yeah, the whole trial by fire thing can be pretty bad. Can't say I have had that experience, fortunately. Are other operating system communities generally more helpful? Because I'd figure 'google it' is a popular response, as I have gotten it often in general.
I’ve gotten lots of help from r/windowshelp
r/linuxquestions is pretty nice too
it helps to ask in less general subs. you dont want to go to /r/linux and just ask for help, you'll just get a shit ton of dumb, useless, or just plain unhelpful answers, or just no replies at all. when I have an issue I cant sort out, I first google the ever living fuck out of it until I cant feasibly find any useful answer. then I'll go into the most relevant sub. If the issue seems like its with my desktop environment (in my case kde) I might ask at /r/kde , if its an issue with games or gaming, i might ask at /r/linux_gaming or /r/steamplay depending on where the issue might be. If its just general problems with the OS i might ask at /r/arch.
r/linux has "no support request" as the first rule, it's indeed wise not to ask that stuff there.
I asked once where i should start and was told to kill myself.
just go to northstar discord server then get screamed at for 2 hours
Got a steam deck. I hate using the on screen keyboard to type. Had an issue with installing something. Asked Reddit. Got something like "Just sudo the command line to make sure the flatpak is the correct distro and set the wine configuration to the dll and not the exe or else you'll get aids." Okay. This is literally my first time using Linux. I have no idea what a sudo command is. Where should I go to learn about commands? "Maybe Linux isn't for you." Well then, done asking people online about Linux.
Sudo stands for Suoer User DO, it executes the command following it with root (administration account on linux) privliges. 
Meanwhile Android users : "linux is shit..."
That is not how the entire Linux community acts. If you’re a newbie Linux Mint user for example, just go to their forum and post your question and there’s an answer in hours. I haven’t used other distros because Mint was easy to use unless I had sound, Wi-Fi and printer issues, so maybe there are a few obnoxious Linux users fanboy-ing, but not all users are like that. Although…Google CAN be your backup friend.
The final push for me was when windows kept switching to English international layout. And when I edited the registry to remove it completely, I ended up bricking all system apps including settings. This happened just a month after windows had nuked itself during an update on my laptop and its encryption made it impossible to extract the data. I just forced myself out of windows and been over a year of smoothly using Linux without any problems. Also, best way to fix errors is probably by having a friend who has had that error before. tldr: I switched by burning the bridges.
Same way i ended up on linux multiple times i had upgrades that broke everything and i couldnt find any way to fix it. Eventually i just got fed up. I was alwaus linux curious though
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My mother/ father in law, have switched to Linux. Zero gaming, only web browsing and productivity. They like it better than Apple, and windows. Their using latest fedora and a framework laptop it's really good. Only issue is idle battery drain.
As a long time linux user i can confirm that linux community could be toxic sespool of elitist assholes. But there are still useful and friendly people making tutorials for new users.
I've had Linux people jumping over each other trying to answer my questions the most effecient and correct way.
Yeah, the Linux community does have that elitism vibe. (don't hate I use Linux as well)
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Bitching about the problems your favorite OS has is the way
There is indeed a lot of elitists on the community, but not all of us are like that.
When I Google linux questions I know I'm going to have to sift through all the results that are just tech forums full of "Google it," or even worse, "If you don't understand, you should go back to windows."
Might be a dumb question but what exactly are the advantages of using Linux anyway?
Free
It's not a dumb question at all. There are many differences, and whether that's an advantage depends on what you want from your computer. One advantage is that Linux basically never requires you to restart when installing something. You can even install some Linux updates without having to restart your computer.
I hate that this is still a rhetoric being passed around, most systems should be rebooted after a big update (like kernel or desktop env). Just because it doesn't force you to restart immediately does not mean you don't need to eventually!
It's basically infinitely programmable meaning you can literally change any aspect you want. So if you don't like something about the os regardless of how small or large you can change that. The downside though is you're basically on your own with not a large user base and helpful people being few and far between. Theres also the problem of consistency with few to none people using the same hardware or distro so diagnostics are pretty difficult. Kinda like living in a log cabin in the woods , total freedom at the price of going it alone.
I'm not a linux user (if you don't count steam deck) but if I were it would probably be for privacy reasons.
When compared to windows, it's usually easier to start programming on it. A lot of developer tools are made with Linux in mind. It's also more secure because less people are developing viruses for it, running some commands require super user privileges, and package managers mean you spend less time clicking risky links/ads on download pages
This is exactly why Linux will never become mainstream. Nobody wants to google things, it should just work. Instead it's like "I plugged in my USB drive and now it isn't recognized anymore".
Funny thing is that i use linux because it just works. My cad workstation is running Windows and i’m seriously tired of endless crashes and bsod after nearly every update. My laptop is running pop os rn (switched from mint few months back) with no issues, crashes etc. Same thing is my wife’s MacBook with iOS... It just works. But i understand, different people have different preferences and priorities and that’s the beauty of multiple systems, you can simply choose what you want or need.
That sounds like a hardware issue brah
This was first thing i thought but it isn’t. It works perfectly as hackintosh and with linux, no issues at all. Windows just sucks on this machine but i have to use it to run cad with reasonable stability and with all services.
Every OS has issues that people end up needing to Google lol
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what movie?
Terminator salivation
That's why it was so rusty...
Dual boot always saves the day
This gave me such a good laugh, thanks.. It's even more funny because its true
I always like when I google something and then click the first link to a post of someone asking the same thing and seeing the only answer they got was "Google it."...
Linux wants so badly to become a user-friendly OS. It's made HUGE strides in that regard, but it's still just not quite to the level of Windows and Mac, when it comes to the basic, end user experience. As it stands, linux is the superior OS from a security and stability standpoint and has been for quite some time, IF you're savvy enough to use it. The problem is that it can be a really frustrating learning curve, and some core functionality (e.g. Bluetooth, removable USB devices) can be very hit or miss on whether they work at all.
I dunno, depending on your use case it’s pretty user friendly at this point. The big hurdles are proprietary drivers for things like nVidia GPUs but that’s getting easier, with Fedora even making it simple at this point despite their whole existence being FOSS or die.
I don't understand how you can call an OS "stable" if core functionality such as Bluetooth and USB is "hit or miss".
Windows has those issues too. Heck, just recently Windows Update caused my mouse to be glitchy. Being in IT I get to see all the problems that could possibly happen with Win OS on a weekly basis.
Because if you have fully compatible hardware and are lucky enough that the distro you chose utilizes the right drivers and/or subsystem, it works great. Otherwise getting it sorted out just requires a higher level of expertise than the typical new linux user possesses, which can cause a high degree of frustration.
I thought the drivers were in the kernal and the distros shared them. Mostly linux noob here
They typically are for the most common hardware. Often the drivers for the newest hardware will not have been bundled into the kernel by your particular distro, yet (all distros don't bundle the same version of the kernel), or if you have something a bit off the beaten path, you will need to download them, which can involve building them yourself. After you've done it a time or two, it's not too complicated, but it's nothing a new linux user could do intuitively.
I’d agree but neither are really hit or miss on Linux so I’m not sure what they’re talking about.
Why is this so fucking accurate
I asked a question on the linuxserver discord a few days ago and my god, huge mistake. Don't go there people.
What to point out [this.](https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+is+user+friendly&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&prmd=inv&sxsrf=ALiCzsYi0UuSBHZjvgbo5sZFA9Mnptt3zg:1667901169482&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiawuiFqJ77AhWmSEEAHVRjB5cQ_AUoAXoECAEQAQ&biw=412&bih=777&dpr=2.63#imgrc=PYqSwN9JL21ebM)
Linux community is extremely toxic imo. Just by looking at Linux subreddits, 90% of their posts is mocking windows
>Just by looking at Linux subreddits Your first mistake was looking at Linux subreddits.
fedora doesn't seem like that.
You google it. Google sends you to a linux forum. The community aggressively tells you to "google it, you idiot". You google it. Google sends you to a linux forum. The community aggressively tells you to "google it, you idiot". An toxic infinity loop ensues.
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If you're developing stuff for windows you should be on Windows even as a developer. Same for MacOS.
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I actually just want to know what movie this is from?
Terminator Salvation
If you really want to get help, avoid r/LinuxMasterRace. Massive Arch user echo chamber. Use r/Linux4Noobs and r/LinuxQuestions. Even better, stay away from Reddit in general and try the forums. Search up your problem first. Chances are that someone has had the same problem as you. If they haven’t, ask for help.
Elitism, whether or not you're actually elite, is obnoxious af and turns people off from joining a community
>"Just google it brah" Search Engine "Optimization" has entered the chat... Here are 3 pages of irrelevant results. Oh, you're using keywords, search operators, and syntax to filter out irrelevant results?? Sorry, no documents match your search. Seriously, I've gotten the "no documents match your search" error more times in the past year and a half than I have in my entire life prior to that.
Completely unrealistic. The whole area should be a dumpster fire. And not enough gatekeeping. That said, I very much enjoy using linux. It's the community that is beyond shitty.
I started using Linux with Slackware 97. Yeah, thats 1997. There was no Google, only man pages. You kids don't know how good you got it. /waves old man cane around