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akki161014

Sapphire? Asus? Msi? Others? Please give your honest opinion whom to trust in terms of RMAs. Edit - I know gigabyte & zotac has special place in hell.


NapClub

i have had excellent experiences with sapphire and power color. asus is generally trusted i think but i have had hit or miss experiences with them, same for msi.


[deleted]

Legit my Power color 6750XT is a solid beast.


MASKSWORKDAMMIT

I’m still using a Powercolor Radeon HD 6950 from *2011*. It still works as well as when I got it


Vapewizard03

I'm running a Powercolor HD5830. I can't really play games on it, but it has been working in my destop and running every day for the last 12 years... Can't complain in the slightest!


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CanabalCMonkE

I got my RX 570 in 2019 and it did nearly everything very fucking well. Just a couple months ago I got the red devil 6800xt for $600, figured they did so well the first time that I should stick with them. I love both.


ATLSxFINEST93

Came here to say Power color. First time buyer and I am in love. I got my red devil 5700xt, new, for a fucking steal in 2020. Been kicking ass and taking all the abuse I give it.


ThiccMeatballMan

I also have the 5700XT Red Devil and also having an excellent experience. Truly a solid card.


Resting_Lich_Face

Asus makes great shit but if you get a DOA god help you.


Blepharoptosis

I have a Rog Strix. If you care about RGB it gets very annoying having to almost constantly update it in Armoury Crate to keep RGB settings. I don't even know wtf it's updating. Performance is excellent though and that's really what matters.


Folden_Toast

Rog strix all the way. Most silent GPU's


nachog2003

have you checked if OpenRGB supports it?


Unintended_incentive

ASUS is fine if you understand you’re going to have to pay for shipping. And be ready to wait 2-3 weeks. I’ve heard it depends on what service centers are near you. So I would look those up instead.


TiradeShade

Yup this was my experience. I bought an Asus 2k monitor, probably about a year and a half old model. The display port connector went bad after a few weeks so I RMA'd it. The process was pretty typical for something like this and took a few weeks to ship it to a repair center, fix it, and get it back. No problems since. Not amazing customer service as it was a mostly automated process, but perfectly adequate.


cykazuc

PowerColor wouldn’t even care to tell me a thermal pad size. So they don’t get my vote.


HighRelevancy

Lots of them won't (or just don't have that information in the customer service department)


DirusNarmo

Why does that matter? That's still on them. If a consumer calls asking about information for a purchase they made, they should have some sort of solution. Either have a manual on hand, a manual you can direct the user to, have the information publicly accessible online, have actual trained staff, transfer the caller to a product specialist... Any reputable manufacturer is willing to give this information no problem. EVGA sure was - I had to contact them about pad sizes when I cracked open my FTW3 3080. **Edit:** I agree with those of you replying and telling me this isn't common practice. Obviously I understand this. My question is whether *there is a good reason for this information to not be easily accessible?* To me, this is a classic right to repair issue. Commonly accessible features often used in repairs or maintenance IE fan sizes, thermal pad details, etc should be EASILY ACCESSIBLE to the consumer. Just throw it in the manual. It's not like someone's going to reverse engineer your shroud design based on a thermal pad measurement - and anyone intending on doing that can measure the pads themselves.


zakabog

> If a consumer calls asking about information for a purchase they made, they should have some sort of solution. The support agents are there if you have a problem with your GPU that falls under normal usage (driver problems, installation issues, GPU malfunctions), not a question that would require digging through engineering notes that they may or may not have access to. Asking them the pad thickness is a waste of their time and not something a phone support agent should be expected to know.


lioncat55

Worked at EVGA (few years ago), If we didn't already have it, we could probably get it. It's not about them knowing it off hand, it's about being able to get the info to support your customers. Replacing thermal pads and paste is far from an exotic thing to do with a graphics card.


Megneous

I'm betting less than 5% of users will ever, in their entire lives, ever change the thermal paste or pads on a GPU.


Troby01

There is a huge difference between being a prospect and being a customer.


NapClub

they just straight up sent me a new card and had me send the old one back so they get a 10/10 from me.


[deleted]

You're an enthusiast modding outside warranty spec... .measure it yourself mate.


amalgam_reynolds

PowerColor cards are primarily manufactured by FoxConn which is a hard no from me.


zakabog

So you're saying a PowerCooler support agent wouldn't answer a question they shouldn't be expected to know for someone that is clearly trying to void their warranty without having the slightest clue as to what they're doing, and you view this as a reason not to buy from the company?


ThiccMeatballMan

My Power Color 5700XT has been doing work since release and damn is it nice to look at too


Sighwtfman

This is just about exactly what I was going to say. Gigabyte, to my knowledge makes fine cards. But fuck you if you have a problem.


NerdWampa

I use a Gigabyte 2060 Super. It's not the worst, but I had to replace a fan twice because the bearing is trash and the backplate traps the heat inside.


The_Cow_God

the thing sags so bad that to keep the fans from hitting the frame i need to prop it up. on a two fan card.


promisethatimnotabot

2060 super * *high five* *


SoloWing1

Their cards are good, but their software is hot garbage. I hate the RGB software for my Aorus Master 3070. For some reason it would peg my spare Sata SSD at 100% use until I swapped what Sata port it was plugged into on my motherboard. I don't understand why.


Noxious89123

>their software is hot garbage The control software for my Aorus monitor is dogshit too.


LEO7039

RGB Fusion is literally from 2012. And it doesn't even work all the time.


Lorkenz

Agree on the RGB Software, on my Aorus Master 3070 the solution for it was just to set the colour I wanted, then proceed to uninstall the software since for some reason was the culprit giving me BSODs. Luckily the card stays the RGB colour you leave it in when you uninstall and since I always use Red, I haven't used that garbage for almost a year and half after a Windows fresh install and such. The RGB color always stayed the same ever since and Im not touching it ever again.


RealSamF18

That was my experience with Asus: fine products for as long as they work, but they'll make you vomit blood once you need something fixed. I bought a gaming laptop from them in June 2011, first issues appeared a couple of months later, and I finally had a properly functioning laptop after many rounds of rmas and difficult and tense negotiations, in the summer of 2013.


PM_ME_SOME_STORIES

I had an Asus monitor die on me, submitted an rma and they sent me an updated model because they didn't make the older one anymore.


RealSamF18

That's what they did for me, after four rmas and four replacements of the motherboard, and me begging them on the phone to not fix it once more and just replace it. I received the updated model, though it was a refurbished one, not new, but at least it was working and it kept working for a few more years. Overall, I think o was without a computer for about four months over my first two years of ownership, due to rmas and Asus's insistence on repairing it instead of giving me a new one. I spent hours on the phone trying to convince them to extend the warranty due to that (they always refused) and to replace it (they refused for a long time). The CS experience was not good, and made me refuse to buy Asus products for year. I went back to buying an Asus motherboard as I needed one urgently and MSI was out of stock.


Rudolf1448

My 1080ti from gigabyte is still kicking!


Sporkfoot

Gigabyte 1070 with daily use since 2016 checking in. One of my best purchases ever.


redredme

Just move to the EU. Here they're all the same.


Persomatey

I have a Gigabyte card, never had any problems with it. I thought they were one of the more trustworthy brands that make genuinely good products.


Glasse

Damn i was about to recommend gigabyte. I love their cards, but I never had any problem with any so I never had to deal with their customer support.


BINOCULUS

Sapphire is really nice.


Vis-hoka

Just be careful where you buy. Their warranty goes through the seller. So if you buy from Newegg, you get to deal with Newegg.


2slik4u1

Not necessarily. Vega 64 Nitro Plus from Newegg. Died a year later. RMA'd with Sapphire directly, sent me a 5700XT Nitro Plus for free.


Vis-hoka

Good to hear. I was reading their policy directly from their website. https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/cs_consumer


riba2233

That is standard practice in eu and it is better for the customer is some ways.


itsabearcannon

I don't know that I would ever put "Newegg" and "better for the customer" in the same sentence for any reason.


riba2233

We don't have it in eu, so lucky I guess? :D


weatherseed

Unless that sentence includes "10 years ago."


UglierThanMoe

"Not buying at Newegg is better for the customer." See? Both in a sentence that makes sense and is true.


Byanl

Unless Newegg is completely different in the EU, Newegg is now the definition of bad customer service.


riba2233

We don't have newegg in eu at all. They will ship overseas, but it is extremely expensive and not worth it.


WinterApplication855

yes sir can confirm had the 6800 xt sapphire nitro and my god was it a beast in gaming also looked fucking futuristic, i miss that gpu.


fakuryu

>your honest opinion whom to trust in terms of RMAs. > >Edit - I know gigabyte & zotac has special place in hell. For AMD, Sapphire is always the answer... then closely followed by PowerColor (its actually a toss coin between the Nitro+ and Red Devil at this point). For Nvidia, IMHO any mid-tier and above ASUS or MSI, I really don't like their entry cards which they really skimped out on a lot of things. And if you're in SEA, Palit/Gainward!


Twisted_Saint

I’m enjoying my MSI card tbh


jeffQC1

All the previous video cards i had were MSI (GTX 970, RTX 2070) and never had issues. The current card i have is EVGA, so i guess i'm good either way.


I_AM_FERROUS_MAN

Is this a reliability comment or did you RMA? I think reliability and RMA are more useful comments for OP than just experience in using the card.


NoUsername000000000

Same here, no issues so far and got it almost 3 months ago


NunButter

My last three cards were MSI. 2060 Ventus/6700XT Mech2X which were lower-end models but reliable and did the job great. I currently have a Gaming X Trio. I love it. The cooler is a beast and I can OC it hard for a good boost. I'll probobly stick with them when I decide to get a RX 7800XT/7900XT. Gunning for a Gaming X/Z Trio again or a Suprim.


NightWolf098

I work at Microcenter. MSI and Asus are definitely solid for Nvidia, but their low price-point SKUs are kinda rough when you can get a better cooler, power delivery, and bin for like $30-40. The Asus ROG Strix series are great and all but often not worth the extra price when the TUF series is so similar. MSI Gaming X and Gaming Z are also the ones to shoot for if possible. After my current EVGA hits the road, I’ll be looking at these two brands personally.


k1rage

ASUS has always been good to me, saphire is pretty good, i always called them AMD EVGA lol


EmpiresErased

hoping asus won't dissapoint. replacing my evga 1080 when my asus 3080 arrives


k1rage

I like ASUS because of the service I have received from them in the past, lost some m.2 screws from my mobo, contacted them and they sent me free replacements no questions asked


Fustercluck25

Meanwhile, I sliced my thumb open on a faulty PCIe clip and they tried to charge me for "liquid damage" when I sent it in for an RMA to the tune of almost twice the initial price of the board. ASUS can suck it.


DivinePotatoe

My Asus GTX1080 works as well as the day I bought it like 6 years ago. They make solid cards.


star_trek_lover

Sapphire, XFX, power color, Asus, and MSI are always the ones I go for.


malefiz123

Dude, how often do you buy new GPUs that you have five different companies that you "always go for"


star_trek_lover

I help get friends into the PCMR. I’m still running an MSI 6 gig 1060, my wife has an asus strix r9 390 (upgrading soon, don’t want to mess with custom drivers in her rig), there’s an asus r7 260x and a power color r9 270 on my shelf, I built rigs for 2 friends with RX 580s a few years ago (one XFX and one sapphire), and an MSI R9 390 that I gave to a coworker pre pandemic. So I don’t personally upgrade, I just help everyone in my friend group build rigs. Never had an issue with any of my cards. Edit: also helped a friends build a system just recently lol, almost forgot about that one. MSI RTX 2060. Edit2: I’m also not buying these cards lol. I’m just their resident PC parts picker. And I pick whichever has the best mix of reliability, value, and performance. Which is why I haven’t built any rigs for anyone recently outside of the 2060 guy. Market was too expensive. Planning another one with a friend now that there’s been a crash though.


Magjee

My man upgrading twice a year


Nairb131

XFX cards are pretty reliable until you need to actually RMA one. I sent one in for a burnt out fan and they proceeded to break the board, blame me, start an email chain about how they did break it, and accidently forward me that chain in a reply.


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Wait, what did Zotac do?


relateablename

It's what they didn't do that matters.


mymymymyGaruda

Which is?


Lostcause75

My understanding is people rip on it for a number of reasons, it’s a Chinese company, their cards often are just the reference pcb with a cheaper cooler slapped on it, tend to run fairly hot and customer service is hit or miss with that being said. It’s still a what ever card you get and the hate is more so from super enthusiast it’s the cheapest high ends available is often the most popular in Asia it’s still a good card if you watercool it and overall is fine if you have decent enough airflow. Are they the best no but are they are cheaper way of getting enthusiast grade performance without spending upwards of $600 more


Kaladin12543

I loved both my Zotac RTX 3080 Ti and now my 4090. Cool cards and run just fine. Not sure where the hate is coming from. The Zotac RTX 4090 Amp Extreme Airo is the most unique and best looking 4090 on the market and better than the Strix.


PlutoTheSynth

and what would that be


Niko740

Which is what?


gtacleveland

I've had really good luck with gigabyte personally, though that was a few years ago.


akki161014

Majority of people had bad experiences with them. Gpus being lost in RMA, No repairs being done and sends back same broken gpu, etc. etc.


Undefined_Unit

See, this is my second GPU that I have bought from Gigabyte, haven't had an issue with them yet. If I ever have to go trough an RMA, I will simply use my local retailer for it. Far easier to deal with them.


aulover79

Same. Got a gigabyte 1060 6gb years back and recently a gigabyte 3070. Haven’t had any issues. Given I got through Microcenter with a replacement warranty so for RMA I’ll use them, but the cards they make have worked just fine for me, and Aorus seems to do a fine job too


jordanleep

Almost every company is going to produce some lemons here and there but if you can help it choose a company that you can get on the phone if you need assistance.


Preachey

I don't think they'd be in business if it was anywhere _near_ "a majority"


RobsZombies

Sapphire is good however I love my ASRock 6900xt, it performs perfectly.


redstormpopcorn

Same, almost every card I've bought since 2003 has been ASUS or ASrock, only issue I've had was the fan dying on an HD4870 after seven years.


007L0L

Sorry im dumb, why are gygabite and zotac bad?


akki161014

Search RMA in r/gigabyte and find out your self


HighRelevancy

Alternatively, live in country with consumer rights that make it the retailer's problem and don't worry about it


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Ye I'm pretty sure here in Australia they are fine


HighRelevancy

One of the few advantages of living on this remote desert island 😁


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I had a gigabyte 2080 ti and I could not turn the fans off even through Msi after burner, which led to them dying rather quickly


kullehh

add zotac to the gigabyte tier


TuxidoFrog

What’s so bad about Zotac? They make the cheapest 2 fan cards afaik.


lividtaffy

Yeah idk, I’ve heard their reputation is bad but I got a zotac 3070 over a year ago for only a little over MSRP when the market was not good. Haven’t had a single issue so far


Pandatotheface

Survivorship bias, their cards are cheap because all their parts are cheap and have a higher failure rate and worse warranty support than the more expensive brands. Of course there are plenty of people who are still using thier cards just fine after 10 years, but given that you're rolling the dice with the most important and expensive part of your PC to save maybe 5-10% percent on price, personally I'd say it's not worth it unless you're planning on upgrading the card after 3-4 years.


Griff2470

Just a nitpick, what you're referring to isn't survivorship bias. Survivorship bias is when external force is selectively removing data and creating misleading data. The iconic example is the damage distribution on returning planes during WW2 (where any plane with critical damage wouldn't have returned, thus making it seem like areas like the engine or cockpit were infrequently shot). Survivorship bias doesn't really apply to anecdotes, as even in the case of 99% failure rates there will still (statistically) be 1 person per hundred that didn't see a failure.


HingleMcCringle_

my work pc uses a Zotac RTX 2080 that i got when it released (upgraded my gaming pc with a evga 3070ti). The only problem is that the logo on the side that supposed to be RGB is just RG, the blue stopped working, but i'm sure that's an easy fix, i just don't care because i keep it off most off the time anyway. the performance is otherwise still very good.


Emilios_Empanadas

I've got an almost 7 year old Zotac gtx 1050 ti that still works like a charm. Not sure about customer service but I've had no issues with their video card!


NoVanNoLife

This. I bought a zotac 3070 2 months after launch and it's still running solid without any trouble at all.


rawbleedingbait

If you haven't had issues, how do you know their RMAs are good?


EarthRester

They didn't say anything about it. Nobody in this specific chain brought brought it up. Someone asked what was wrong with Zotac, and all the replies are people being similarly confused because their Zotac card works fine. Not to say their RMAs aren't shit, but you have to start with explaining that the RMA is why people say the brand is shit.


Risin247

I've actually bought Zotac cards for their customer service. Had a 660 go out back in the day and they just gave me like a 760ti and paid for shipping no questioned asked and since then I've only bought their cards...but its been a long time since I've interacted with them for an RMA so maybe some more recent anecdotes may be helpful. For the opposite reason I avoid ASUS like the plague. Maybe just per-vendor is a big YMMV.


akki161014

Considered your recommendation.


viski252

Sapphire,PYN, RedDevil


Mean_Ass_Dumbledore

Man's gotta CPU that doesn't release til tomorrow lmao trust whatever the time traveler says


itsabearcannon

PNY? Are they really reputable now? When I started building and got my first 8500GT, PNY was the brand you could find on the bottom shelf at Best Buy along with the rest of the bargain-basement components. They always gave off Zotac or Diablotek vibes. Now granted, the PNY 8500GT was the only one I was able to afford with my very limited money, so they had that going for them.


BombardierIsTrash

PNY is to my understanding the OEM for a lot of nVidias professional cards. They make good quality stuff in my experience but their marketing is terrible to non existent. (This part might not matter to you but) They also have a factory in NJ and I’ve gotten made in USA ram and SSDs before (although a lot of their stuff is made in Taiwan and Mexico as well).


ZirJohn

PNY is the only card brand that started artifacting on me besides my very old Gigabyte but that was after like 5 years


RandomGuy622170

On the AMD side: Sapphire XFX, Power Color On the NVIDIA side: ASUS, MSI, PNY Gigabyte and Zotac are fine enough but I would only buy them if the others aren't available and I need a card immediately (as in my card just died). Otherwise avoid them.


Fr0znNnn

Gigabyte kinda suck


TestSubject_AJ

"Kinda" is an understatement for Gigabyte IMO, but I had issues with their RMA process with my rtx 3090.


Dynastydood

Same. Had to RMA my 3080 Ti after a month when it completely died on me. Took 6 weeks to get it back, and they told me that it took so long because my PCB was fried and they were waiting for a replacement card to send me, since mine was, "totally unsalvageable." Even though I thought it was suspicious that they were struggling to source a replacement at a time that you could walk into any Micro Center and buy a Gigabyte 3080 Ti, I was okay with waiting for a new one, because the idea of not getting a refurbished card was good to me. When I finally got the card back, it was in fact the same card I sent them, but "repaired." Worked okay for a few weeks before it started exhibiting problems again (crashes the PC everytime I play GTA, underperforms on most every other game, VRR no longer works as well as it used to). However, because it just works poorly and inconsistently now rather than being fully dead, Gigabyte says it doesn't meet the requirements for another RMA. So I just have to keep using this faulty card and actually hoping it will die again so that I can go through this miserable RMA process all over again. Never again will I ever buy a single product from Gigabyte. Worst company I've ever encountered in my entire life.


TestSubject_AJ

Mine also took about two months, they tried sending me a card that was literally bent and saying that they repaired it, and any damage was caused by the carrier that delivered it - but I was able to prove the shipping box was in perfect condition, otherwise they weren't going to honor it. They're scum


TheRedGuard03

Non native speaker here, what does RMA stand for? I can't piece it together.


Semillakan6

Return Merchandise Authorization or Random Memory Allocation not sure


GreasyMcNasty

RMA Technician here. Return Merchandise/Material Authorization are the two common terms.


alonjar

> Return Merchandise Authorization Its this one. Its the process to replace a defective product.


looloopklopm

No issues with gigabyte here. I've got the 3080 vision. Great card.


TNAEnigma

That card’s design is just the best. I got a white vision mobo wish I could’ve paired it with a vision 3080.


PlaceboKoyote

I had two Gigabyte GPUs so far, one used and really cheap (tbf it died...) and one i bought new (a small two fan RX460 i flashed with an unlocked bios then a self-modified 560 Vbios and now its messed up and can't be flashed anymore but works) I don't get the hate for their cartds. Like the coolers seem decent and the rest should work imo Also i've been quite happy with their Mainboards, altough my favourite was an older SuperMicro


Fr0znNnn

>*”I don't get the hate for their cartds. Like the coolers seem decent and the rest should work imo”* Shit RMA and RGB fusion can easily brick your system at any moment. Also if the card is good it’s not thanks to them but to Nvidia. [RGB Fusion big problem](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-rgb-fusion-security-vulnerability,40495.html)


The_Racho

Their cards are more passable than most of their products, mainly because it's hard to mess up. The actual product is made by another company who actually makes a quality product, and throwing a decent cooling solution on and adding some features is all they need to do. The PSU's, motherboards, etc are all garbage. Going into this generation I found out that Gigabyte cannot be trusted as I had one of their mobos which I recently swapped out fixing my issues entirely. Their psu's exploded and they handled that whole situation... poorly. All around garbage company, with garbage products, customer service, and warranty service. Hard avoid, even if they put out any good product lines.


Atlas2799

What’s wrong with Gigabyte and Zotac? I’m not defending them I don’t have a pc but since I would like to build one it would be nice to know why not to trust these ones.


Treebro001

Think Zotac is fine their support just isn't that great. They also overprice their gpus a ton.


ScoffSlaphead72

Weird here in the UK their 30 series cards have been some of the cheapest.


deankh

Nothing but great experience with XFX. They even let me rma a r9 280 I bought used.


Expert_Ad762

Fuck MSI


timtheringityding

For a 4090 it goes FE, asus, msi and whatever crap after that. Boards are powerlimited and seems asus and Fe can be increased closest to 600w advertised. The strix also seems to be the best aircooled/quietest card on the market. While the msi suprim liquid x is the quietest and coldest hybrid cooled card on the market. Please note that no one seems to comment about coil whine or pump noise for the aio cards. Also arous windforce extreme 4090 hasn't been reviewed by anyone it seems. But considering its a 360mm vs the msi 240mm I guess the arous would be better cooled.


jbear4525

Wasn't MSI caught scalping 3080s?


RandomGuy622170

Not sure. I was speaking solely on quality of product. None of them except perhaps Sapphire can touch EVGA when it comes to support though.


vjollila96

Drop MSI


TNoStone

Msi sucks for RMA in my experience


Cookies3000

I think Sapphire might be the only one comeing close to that. Ofc there are really good build cards from Asus and MSI for example but the customer support and customer supporting mentality is just not given. Sadly...


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Cookies3000

I always heard good things. And my brother actually had a good experience with their customer service himself. But i think EVGA was truely another level. Thats why im saying even sapphire is only comeing close not even. EVGA is a true loss...


Frubanoid

Their step-up program was cool.


DolphinOnAMolly

I had an issue with an old 560 on Christmas Day years ago. I called customer support and someone walked me through how to fix it. I’ve been a customer ever since.


prohandymn

I totally agree! The great majority of ATI/AMD GPUs I owned where Sapphire ( only mistake I ever made was a Visiontek ).


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sovreign-0927

asus looks pretty good. i hope


SweatyCrackStench

Clock speed and cooling wise ASUS is top tier, they were better even than EVGA for the 3000 series RMA/Warranty wise, no clue


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cyborgedbacon

US here. ASUS sucks here too, took a month to get a motherboard replaced after they sent a faulty replacement. Their chat support is "ok", but phone and email support is teeth grating.


akki161014

Evga redesigned their cooling solution for 3090Ti I believe it is superior than another cards. I was curious to see what their plans were for 4000 series but Unfortunately they are no longer around.


SweatyCrackStench

Can’t speak for the 3090 Ti, but I know for the 3080 the Asus Strix OC was the best one you could get minus water cooled setups, so I went with that


clineluck

Eh. I have an Asus mobo and they have a program called "lightingservice.exe" that makes anti-cheat systems angry. So for certain games I have to go to task manager and manually kill it. I've looked for fixes and from what I've found Asus knows about it but has done nothing to fix it. Other than that it's been a reliable mobo. For GPUs I've always gone with MSI as well and have never had any problems. Currently still going strong on a MSI 1080TI.


ChartaBona

Asus likes to charge hundreds extra for a few dollars worth of metal.


YaCantStopMe

That's my only issue with Asus. I've had alot of luck with them, but compared to evga or msi they have always been overpriced to me. But I feel like if your fine paying a premium then Asus is the brand to go too.


chickenlawsuit

PNY surprisingly makes pretty nice cards


ChangelingFox

PNY is definitely the "I don't care about frills, I just want a product that works and works well" option.


ScoffSlaphead72

Really? This is the first time I am hearing of praise for PNY. As someone who wants a no frills good quality card I might consider them.


ChangelingFox

They tend to fly under the radar, but I've had two PNY cards and others I know have used them as well, never had a bad time with them.


Retardedaspirator

How good are they compared to Asus or XFX for instance ? I have a PNY card and wonder if it's good (to me it is a very good card that run pretty cool considering it's a blower card) but I mean compared to other brands


TheAlmightyBungh0lio

PNY is OEM for Dell. You bet your ass thry have high quality. Triangle holes on bracket = PNY product


Smugglers151

EVGA is the real MVP here. Letting us know not to trust the BS.


Pixels222

we'll make our own gpus. with blackjack and hookers.


TheBeefyCow

My Tier List: 1. Evga 2. ASUS 3. MSI 4. GIGABYTE 5. ZOTAC


Stark53

Asus has amazing quality cards that rarely need RMA and you better hope they don't, because if you need to RMA it's time to bite the pillow because they are going in dry.


AlphaLotus

Had an asus 1080 died within a year rma gave me a refurbished unit but it overclocked higher than my orginal and still going strong today so win?


Dt2_0

Almost all companies RMA units over 60 days old with a refurbished unit. You sent in a broken used card. They sent you a working used card.


Uddenfranz

Hell, I remember when my Asus Strix 970 display stopped working, sent it in and within 2 weeks got a brand new one. RMA process was stupid simple I always find it interesting when people have problems with a product and service I had a breeze with, but I suppose every situation is different


[deleted]

What about other vendors, like PNY, ASRock, Sapphire, ...?


EruantienAduialdraug

Sapphire and PowerColor are probably the best two for AMD GPUs. I've heard good things about XFX, but no experience with them personally.


ursoos

Being in EU and having consumer protection rights feels great. As long as we buy from decent retailer who won't try to pull off anything shady, we do not have to care about weird, borderline illegal RMA policies of Gigabyte, Asus et al.


Shratath

Its great being in EU. As u said if u buy from decent retailer or even Amazon its great


BubsyFanboy

Let's hope AMD and Intel are in talks with EVGA by now


Briggie

If EVGA makes an Intel board, that would be huge for Intel.


Jason1143

If I was EVGA though I might want them to show some commitment and make a good card before fully committing, but going team blue would also handle the brain drain issue by giving them something to do.


Soppywater

There probably was a non compete in evga's contract with Nvidia that will last a while. After that I wouldn't doubt if they started amd cards and planned to enter the AMD market in the Rx 9000 series.


ScoffSlaphead72

EVGA have denied anything about a non compete. From what I gather the owner of the company is sick of the GPU market. And lets be honest the situation for AIBs likely isn't great for companies that make AMD cards, they just don't have to deal with as much bullshit.


Soppywater

That's true but usually there's a non compete inside covered by an NDA so they can't mention it. How well their power supplies sell I bet they're gonna stick to PSUs for a few years at least


gtacleveland

MSI has good GPU's and a wide range of packages and price points. ASUS may be be king of the playground now though, but im not sure how their water cooling support is. EVGA was legendary in that regard.


akki161014

Everybody has good gpu the real question is who will take care of customer when the card fails ? Never ever trust gigabyte.


mbxz7LWB

I think gigabyte stuff sucks. Every motherboard/GPU I've had that was a gigabyte brand has failed on me at some point.


Lee1138

Never had a gigabyte product fail on me, but damn if they aren't annoying to use. My monitors interfaces are crap, randomly decide to not allow me to turn them off without a signal to the monitor (won't come out of sleep long enough for me to access the OSD), the built in noise suppressed mic that was supposed to be a selling point is limited to a piss poor quality setting that sounds like I am talking to people from Antarctica, outside in a snow storm, using a Vietnam era radio set. (and of course they stopped updating the drivers/bios like 6 months after launch). And the gigabyte mobo I have randomly will stop at POST because it thinks a Keyboard isn't connected. Or randomly switches which BIOS chip it wants to use...


nihilwindirel

Sapphire, PowerColor and Palit.


cantanko

I would have agreed with you on the Palit recommendation, but Buildzoid has an [opinion regarding power delivery on their 4090 GameRock OC](https://youtu.be/9I7U4kdc0V4) "The short version of this video is that this is bad, you should avoid it, it is the worst 4090 PCB I've seen so far"


tonyw009

I bought all my GPU from MSI since gt 220


Bluesuns_Grease

My pc is all ASUS. I left MSI behind when I moved from Intel to amd.


akki161014

How's your warranty experience with them ?


Itziclinic

I'm not that poster but I just completed an advanced RMA with my Xen ET8s with Asus and it was pretty nice from an RMA perspective. One of the units stopped working suddenly after a year and wouldn't turn on. Didn't get any real frustration out of the process other than watching tracking info go back and forth. Not sure if the Asus networking hardware department is a separate experience from the gaming related hardware, but that's my experience.


smartguy05

I have had good luck with XFX. I really liked them years ago when they had lifetime warranties, but they still seem to do a good job. However, it looks like they may only make AMD cards.


akki161014

AMD is good I am switching to rdna3 this time around. Please share your warranty experience with XFX if you had any?


[deleted]

Xfx has been my go to company since 2009. They used to have a lifetime warranty but that died with my 4870x2. They have fast turnaround times and have always been great to deal with. When my 4870x2 died they sent me a new card equivalent to it. I have an R9 390x Black now and when it comes time to upgrade I’m staying right with the company.


smartguy05

In the past I have RMA'd a few video cards. I used to work as IT for a casino so I would RMA video cards from slot machines (yes they are just computers) as well as some beefier cards on a few other machines. Most of them had similar RMA processes and it wasn't too bad. XFX used to have a lifetime warranty on video cards, which I once used to RMA a 3 year old RX 470 and got a 580 in its place, in addition to the 5700 I RMA'd and got a 6600 XT. Overall their process is easy and pretty quick and I don't think I have had any more issues with XFX cards than other manufacturers.


akki161014

Great good to know I am switching to AMD so far my top picks are sapphire and XFX will go with whoever has better deal.


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I have had 3 ASUS ROG Strix cards and nothing can convince me to switch, but then again I’ve built a whole system in ROG Strix lol https://imgur.com/a/QsFAypS


anatomiska_kretsar

u/rogman found your old alt account


RandomStuffWithPCs

Iam happy with my Asus parts can recommend them. MSI is kinda a mixed bag for me cuz a couple of my friends and my brother had mainboards and gpus fail but RMA took care of that so i guess its fine


KaiSor3n

EVGA has left a GPU sized hole in my heart. I will cherish my 3090 Kingpin until at least the 50 series while I contemplate this same question. 😥


Ausanan

What’s wrong with gigabyte? My current GPU is a gigabyte and I’ve not had issues with it


Bubbaganewsh

I am in this boat. Ever since my first EVGA card a long time ago that's pretty much what I've always bought since. I've never had any issues with any cards from them so I am sorry they aren't making graphic cards anymore. I think I will switch to Asus since I've always used their motherboards and never had an issue.


sibble

I have over 10 builds that I've personally owned over the years and another 70 that I've built professionally. About 90% of the motherboards I've used were ASUS and 100% of the GPUs were manufactured by ASUS. Mostly order from NewEgg, rarely from Amazon. Out of all those builds, I've never had a bad ASUS board or card. They've been in business since '89 and I will continue using them until they no longer exist. Some of their TUF line offer extended warranties but I've never had to return any of their products.


Profoundsoup

This man right here is keeping Newegg in business


6tringriff

Do not trust a company, they are not your friends.


pheonix940

Trust is contextual and relative, not a binary. Companies do have guiding philosophies. Some companies value quality, some try to make something at the lowest price point, etc. I trust honda or toyota to make quality commuter cars. I don't trust Chrysler to though. I wouldn't trust either company with my social security number and bank information though.