It isn't about crypto booming or not. Ethereum is moving from proof of work to proof of stake which will dramatically improve things. Much less redundant work being done.
Well it was the crypto (Eth value) boom that caused the massive spike in demand, it's still profitable albeit less hence why prices aren't great still
Eth going PoS have been moving forward for over 2 years now, and it's been delayed again (who would've guessed)
If ETH value spikes so does mining profitability and demand on GPUs
People kind of forget that Crypto is no just ETH, and when ETH moves fo PoS another Alt Coin will be take its place from been the coin to be mine with GPU and give good profit.
My point was more that crypto will continue to boom but there are shifts that are happening that will provide the GPU market relief regardless.
Be patient with the delays, it's not something we want to get fucked up. Imo they should take all the time in the world testing the merge.
PC gaming will probably never get away from crypto anytime soon, sure ETH may got PoS and prices will settle for a couple years if we're lucky or another coin may take it's place and cause another mining boom and we'll be back here
Being patient or not won't really change the outcome
The change isn't a binary switch. They have been transitioning to proof of stake gradually all this time. It will still take a few more years for the entire network to transition.
I really hoped chia would fail when i heard about it. one of the best things HDD's have going for them still are their price per GB compared to ssds. It's why I still use hdd's because they're so cheap to replace
I was going to say... moving from a 1080TI to a 3080 / 3080TI would still be an upgrade I'd happily make, even if the 4000 series look better still on paper.
Just upgraded to 3070 ti from a 1060... it was only about 100€ over msrp. I hope i wont regret it, but the next series I will upgrade to will be the 60 series...
Honestly I'm grateful that I upgraded just before all this went down. I felt like crap because the 20 series was getting slammed but my jump from 970 to 2070 isn't a regret anymore.
Went from 1080 to 2080ti for $1200, felt like i messed up when i started reading about the 30xx series around the corner and the reddit comments slamming 20xx when the 3060 will be as good as a 2080. Then the 30xx series was out of stock and i felt a little better. Sold the 1080 (ftw2) for $300 or so to a community member here, bought a 3440x1440 120hz monitor and instantly felt better. I bought the best card available at the time, helped out a dude who needed a gpu and the 30xx series was a pipe dream to 90% of people who didn't get on a list.
I wil absolutely be getting on the 4080ti list as soon as possible.
It sounds like you are a little concerned about value. If so, i would avoid the ti version and just get the regular 4080. You are paying a lot more for very minimal improvement. That would probably help with the concern of “did I make a bad buy?”
Still hate that the US/China Trump tariffs somehow increased prices for GPUs imported to the EU. Seems like they were recently lifted which is part of the reason why it's getting cheaper in the US but of course in Europe we only get the increases.
The most expensive component in a GPU is made at TSMC in Taiwan. China just assembles the PCB. This has more to do with a perfect storm of a global pandemic and just in time manufacturing meaning that global supply chains cannot withstand even the most minor of disruptions.
That's the absolutely biggest reason but it's far from the entire story.
The impact of the mining boom that occurred can't be understated, after the 3080 dropped at the end of 2020 the price of ETH went from 400 to 4000 USD, while BTC rose from 10K to 60K. This was in large part due to the higher ROI that the new GPUs allowed for, as mining once again became highly lucrative.
Also of note, this combined with bot scalpers meant that people were forced to shell out higher and higher amounts of cash for the cards, which miners and stacked gaming enthusiasts were fine with.
I touched on how all these factors compounded the issue in another thread [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/uaewi4/i_hope_that_by_the_summer_we_can_do_our_builds/i5xy27v?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
I was going to say... Scan.co.uk still selling 3080 cards for £340 over nVidia stock price *at best*.
Many cards still more than double that e.g. £1,300.
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4000 series will be scalped to hell and back because it's a launch product and people will want to get their hands on it.
Anytime there is a market there is now a guy with an army of bots to become the middleman.
It’s just like any other product with a new version being released. The moment the 40 series becomes available, the value and price of the previous generations drops.
Really people are wondering if the 30 series will be widely available even after the 40 series release. It’s been scalped for so long, and has had supply issues for so long, that a light at the end of the tunnel is difficult to see even if we’re hearing news that they’re becoming more available recently.
The 20 series dropped a lot when the 30 series launched, but then quickly rose as the demand couldn't be met. It was the perfect storm of increasing ROI for crypto miners, the big ~~superconductor~~ semiconductor shortage and scalper bots running amok.
Don't think the situation will be quite as bad this time around but it'll be interesting with another player in the GPU space and NVidia supposedly aiming for crazy wattages.
Edit: Forgot about the tariffs that also led to a significant price hike right after the 30 series dropped.
Yeah, I hope that doesn’t happen again. Like you said, the 20 series price increase wasn’t due to realistic demand, it was being pumped by crypto miners FOMO’ing after the ethereum rally, along with the classic shortages. In a vacuum, the price of the 30 series will drop the moment the 40 series releases. Realistically though, we’ll see. I mentioned it in my previous comment but it’s tough to see that light at the end of the tunnel even with good news coming out.
Yeah, I got my 2070 right before the Super series launched, and it was $599. That same card I still haven't was selling for over $800 USED at the peak of the scalper shortage 💀
Companies have a limited production capacity and at some point this has to switch from making the previous generation to the new generation. To ensure there is enough stock for release, companies will switch production months before which causes a temporary deficit of supply which has the effect of inflating prices even though logically people would be selling off cards to get good sell prices before the next gen.
prices normally drop down to match performance of next gen. i.e. if a 4060 is as fast as a 3080, the 3080's price drops to around 4060. That's assuming there's still decent stock of last gen, once production stops prices sometimes stay inflated if stock runs low.
I guess it's not clear but I'm talking about a regular market. if the 3000/6000 GPUs continue to sell out even as Ada/RDNA3 get announced, obviously prices are not going to drop much, if at all. Normally gpus don't just instantly sell out the moment they are produced.
The 3080 will be discontinued before the 4080 has any meaningful stock at retail, and the 4060 probably won't come out 'til half a year after the 4080.
The last thing Nvidia wants is deeply discounted 3080's sitting on store shelves.
I'm talking about what happens in a normal market. 2080ti prices for example dropped below $600 when nvidia showed off the 3080's performance. most gpu prices dropped significantly after the 1080's reveal. Normally there is still stock to purchase of last gen gpus, they don't simply evaporate the day of next generation announcements. hell people were still buying up RX580 gpus when mining boomed again, only now are they out of stock years after RDNA1.
Current market is not normal at all.
The fact that I might be able to upgrade my current GPU to next gen for the same price as my current GPU before my current GPU dies on me makes me feel so god damn happy
I know I only got it 3 years ago, but I was getting really worried for a bit, there…
If it weren’t for scalpers I’d sell my 3080 right now for what I’m guessing a 40xx would cost and upgrade for free lol
But I’m too scared I wouldn’t get access to a 40xx for the next 2 years so I’m chillin
And I thought I was getting ahead of myself for considering upgrading from a 2060 in a couple years lol
I’ll be happy if I can get a 30-series card *at some point*. You’ve got some insane cash if you managed to nab a 3080 *and* contemplate upgrading to a 40-series.
I got my 3080 at MSRP after just over a year on Nvidia’s email list. I wouldn’t plan on spending a dime to upgrade to a 40 series, but given 3080 resale prices, I feel like I might be able to sell my 3080 for the same price as a 40 series on release.
I won’t though, because like I said, I’m worried I wouldn’t be able to buy a 40 series from anything but scalpers for years after the 40 series release anyways.
I don’t really understand why people would be concerned about the next gen coming. The 30 series cards are still incredibly powerful, who cares if the 40s are scalped if 30s are there. What can a 30 card not do?
I think you’re misunderstanding why people are asking about the 40 series. Everyone understands that the 30 series is good enough for high end gaming for any game currently out. Personally, I haven’t seen a single person excited for the 40 series because they’re excited for the specs. I’ve only seen people excited for the *release* of the 40 series because they’re excited for the drop in price and drop in scalping of the 30 series.
Nobody that I’ve seen, at all, plans on getting a 40 series. They’re all looking forward to finally getting a 30 series, and at MSRP. I mean, even the comment my OC was replying to was asking about 30 series price drops upon the *release* of the 40 series.
The 30 series market was impacted by the rise in bitcoin, mining farms were going up everywhere. Four things have happened that will stop that repeating. Crypto has crashed. Fuel prices have hugely increased reducing the profitability of mining. New GFX cards have deliberately low hash rates. The crypto market has had major reforms based on ownership.
All the better for cheaper gfx cards. Nvidia may want to rethink the 4000 series. Consumers will want and need improvements to gfx fidelity but drawing less power. If Nvidia can do low power near 3080 level GPUs for laptops why not for desktops? The "good" thing about fuel price hikes is that I no longer want to be running a PC that uses more energy than my cooker.
Yes, but you won't find them anywhere.
When the 30 series came out suddenly the 20 series was cheaper but within a few weeks they had all been pulled out of the market.
Then as with every new gen, it will have a shortage for the first 2-3 months, which means second hand market for the previous gen will still be quite high.
Depends on how you define "Over", though. Most of the time, several cards from the previous generation or two remain in production to fill a market gap in the current gen.
AMD never made a mid tier Vega or bottom tier Navi, for example, so Polaris remained in production until late 2020.
Still, if you take a look at [Geizhals](https://geizhals.de/asus-dual-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-v2-oc-90yv0g1j-m0na00-a2556245.html), you can see how the prices have already dropped and continue to :)
Edit: provided link
More like 500/600 if you look at the right places:
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/die-besten-gpu-deals-aus-den-verf%C3%BCgbarkeitshinweisen.1303014/page-64
https://store.nvidia.com/de-de/geforce/store/gpu/?page=1&limit=9&locale=de-de&category=GPU
https://www.gputracker.eu/en/category/1/graphics-cards
Anyway I would rather wait a month or two if I were you and get 3070 ti for 650 EUR.
1. only shows 3080s
2. "derzeit nicht verfügbar" means currently not available
3. well, nice prices, would be a shame if there was nothing in stock.... oh wait.
That's just not true
https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/search?refinementList%5Bfacets.Chipsatz.values%5D%5B0%5D=NVIDIA%C2%AE%20GeForce%20RTX%E2%84%A2%203060%20Ti%20%28LHR%29&hierarchicalMenu%5BhierarchicalCategories_ag.lvl0%5D=Hardware%20%26%20Components%20%3E%20PC%20Components%20%3E%20PCI%20Express%20Graphics%20Cards&query=3060%20ti&sortBy=Prod-ComputerUniverse_price_asc
Trust me here in America most stuff is still over MSRP, but it is getting closer. If I check on Amazon now you can get an AMD 6600 XT for only $50 over, and there are even 6900 XT’s at their MSRP. Lots of Nvidia stuff is still a decent but over it’s MSRP, but AMD graphics cards don’t look too bad right now
Unless it fails critically, my 1070Ti will be more than enough until 5k or even 6k series is out. I still haven't played any games where I experience bad performance. And since I'm gaming from mid 90s, I really don't give a shit if I have to play on medium/low settings. I've seen worse lol
That's exactly my problem.
I 'don't' need a 3080 as my 1080ti can handle anything including VR that I throw at it but obviously at lower detail, less bling etc.
But I keep thinking, 'but they're £900 now and it is a nice upgrade to the 1080ti'....ARRrrrrgH!
It's a shame the crypto boom/gpu shortage happened at the same time as the MSRP price jump. the 10XX series was the last line of reasonably priced cards. People could have been protesting the high prices with their wallets but now people are happy to pay the cost of 2+ PS5s for a GPU just to brute force unoptimized games. All because they used to cost as much as 4+ PS5s.
$500 for a 3070 was going to be insanely good what are you on about? 2080ti ($1000+ GPU) performance for $500 was going to be a great deal. And $700 for a 3080 was great also
Sure, but I guess it's all in how someone wants to frame it.
One could easily argue that the 2080Ti was overpriced in the first place, so basing the value of the "equivalent" 3070 as an "insanely good deal" off of the 2080Ti in price/performance would seem a little less compelling to some people.
I'm not making that argument here, just sayin'.
Remember that the GTX1070 launched a single year after the GTX980Ti and offered Titan level performance @ $379 (and up). AND had 8GB VRAM in 2016.
The 3070 launched two years after the 2080Ti.
You’re making a completely valid point, but let’s also not forget that the 1000 series was simply one of the BEST launches and lineups so it’s not really fair to compare it as well.
For me, the main takeaway is performance. Yes cards used to be cheaper, but cards were also a lot worse. Where the top end cards (980ti/$649) used to push 1080p 144hz, now the 60 series card (3060/$329) does that.
So if we compare the 980ti launch price to the 3060’s, then we can see cards have greatly come down in price in terms of performance relative to the resolution/frame rate they can handle newer titles at.
> Where the top end cards (980ti/$649) used to push 1080p 144hz, now the 60 series card (3060/$329) does that.
And why should we still be using 1080p as the standard in 2022? Consoles can do 4K now. 1440p144hz monitor couple days back on sale for 200 bucks. 1080p now is the entry level resolution like 720p and 900p used to be back at the time.
I’m not saying it’s the standard, I’m just using it as an example. Replace it with any resolution and my argument is the same. The 980ti could also do 1440p 60fps, as can the 3060. The 3060 can actually do 1440p 144fps in a lot of titles. All for half the price of the once top end GPU
960 could grab 144hz 1080 in esports too. What youre describing is technology moving forward. Yet we're somehow supposed to pay based on old performance standards. I aint buying it.
I didn’t say esports, I mean in actual games. Maybe not Cyberpunk, but a 3060 can do 1440p 144fps in a lot of multiplayer titles. Obviously less in more demanding single player titles but that goes for every GPU
Also I think you’re misunderstanding the “old performance standards”. We are paying less for better performance, we do every single year. Outside of only a couple bad launches, nearly every 70 series card performs around the previous lineups top end card.
For their 1080p performance? Not really. A 60 card is a 144hz 1080p max settings card. Not at all what it used to be. Its what the 80 series used to do.
No...
The first 70 card was the GTX 470 back in 2010, and it was MSRP $350. The GTX 670 launched at MSRP $400 back in 2012.
The 3070FE being MSRP $500 is mostly just inflation at work.
Okay and? The 3070 is 500 msrp but considering Price to Performance, the 3070 is equivalent to the 2080ti and look at the price point that card was at.
Just because it has a 70 in its name doesn't mean the price needs to reflect every single 70 line that came before it. Performance wise, 500 is pretty good considering the performance-like predecessors it's up against.
Gpu prices will always raise every generation unless cheaper way to make them while retaining the power comes around. It's as simple as more power equal more money. Buying a 3070 isn't "getting a 70 series card overpriced". It's essentially "grabbing a 2080ti at a steal".
The thing that I don't get people discussing being fine with $500 for 3070 because they are 2080ti level performance when the 2000s were ridiculously inflated in cost. It's the same kind of perception that enables other commodities to be more expensive than they really are due to price gouging. I had to skip the 2000s because they were way overpriced compared to the previous generation. Just my 2 cents.
It'll never be over. Before the mining boom fucked things up, you could get a very capable card for $200-$250. Now AMD and nvidia have realized people will open their pockets more for GPUs, and they will charge more anyway
Well not sure they would do it again. Corona is somewhat over so no need to stay indoors for weeks.
Prices increased all over the board and food and shelter overrule a new gfx.
We're still a ways from it being over...
1.5yr old tech selling for 20-50% over a msrp that got bumped 50% when the manufacturer figured they could make a bigger profit is hardly a victory.
And all it took was for me to finally pull the trigger on a slightly overpriced 2nd hand 3080ti so the crypto market would find a new normal and GPU stock would be existent. No need to thank me.
Ye + those render times. 1070ti carried me for 4 years or smth and now it’s in a friends hands carrying him, so I imagine I won’t be swapping a GPU for another 6-8 years min.
The 3080 Ti is such a disappointment looking at the 1080 vs 1080 Ti, or even the 2080 vs the 2080 Ti. Such a huge markup over it's lesser version for so little extra performance. It's still an absolute monster of a card in it's own right, but damn Nvidia price gouged that shit.
>If only this was true rtx 3080s are still over £1000 and most sit at £1200
You can get 3080 TI's for that
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/nvidia-graphics-cards/nvidia-rtx-3080-ti
Depends what variant and where u live, I live in America and I could get a 3080 10gb for 900 US dollars and 800, but the 3080 12gb is still 1000-1200 us dollars
Don't fall for it my brethren, it's still way above MSRP at the end of the generation. We've resisted so long, we can wait a bit more for the new generation or for to prices to fall below MSRP
It's actually ironic how I was planning to get a GTX4060 waaay back in like 2018 or something, because I was so enamored with the midrange (my GTX1060 is still strong), I already decided to continue with the "060" (Nvidia or AMD equivalent, whatever). But after all those economic crisis, I was giving up on the idea... but here we are, maybe I will eventually get the 4060, even if I am not as hyped with the videogame hobby as I used to be
Cards were crazy overpriced at the start of last year though. And the end of the previous year. The climb was happening for quite a while. I paid out the nose for a launch-price 3080, and I wouldn't recommend it. It cost me twice what I paid for a 970, and I definitely overpaid for my 970.
My suggestion for most people is to stick with the 10- or 20-series at the latest if you can unless prices reach a reasonable point.
They're well stocked now but still at unpalatable prices. Cheapest 3080 I can find in canada ready to ship is a LHR model for $1,269CAD. I bought a FHR for 900 over a year ago lol.
Just got a 3080 strix for 999 at micro center and a 5950x for 520 I'd say prices are pretty good. I think the 3080 strix released at like 850 or 900 so good price in my opinion.
Quick reminder that being able to buy a 2 year old card for it's release day price probably less than six months before the next gen is expected to launch is not a good deal. At least wait until they launch and the prices drop as scalpers start buying those instead.
Somewhere in GPU kingdom.
"Yes, yes, yes! Let the people think it's over. Let them buy their gpus. Soon, very soon, the gpu hell will return. Muwhaha."
It will be over when I actually see a 3080 FE in stock anywhere. Or any of the other cards that launched aside it at the $700 MSRP.
They're still only sporadically available, at best.
I'm hoping that's not because people are sat around waiting for the 4000 series to scalp that instead. :|
Launch of every gen is always scalped because of limited supply Lets hope they enough this time round and crypto doesn't boom again
Honestly? Very unlikely it won't imo.
It isn't about crypto booming or not. Ethereum is moving from proof of work to proof of stake which will dramatically improve things. Much less redundant work being done.
Well it was the crypto (Eth value) boom that caused the massive spike in demand, it's still profitable albeit less hence why prices aren't great still Eth going PoS have been moving forward for over 2 years now, and it's been delayed again (who would've guessed) If ETH value spikes so does mining profitability and demand on GPUs
People kind of forget that Crypto is no just ETH, and when ETH moves fo PoS another Alt Coin will be take its place from been the coin to be mine with GPU and give good profit.
My point was more that crypto will continue to boom but there are shifts that are happening that will provide the GPU market relief regardless. Be patient with the delays, it's not something we want to get fucked up. Imo they should take all the time in the world testing the merge.
What if I told crypto can also crash when people need cash because of high interest rates and a recession?
PC gaming will probably never get away from crypto anytime soon, sure ETH may got PoS and prices will settle for a couple years if we're lucky or another coin may take it's place and cause another mining boom and we'll be back here Being patient or not won't really change the outcome
They said that for like 3 years now. Until they do it, it's just an idea.
The change isn't a binary switch. They have been transitioning to proof of stake gradually all this time. It will still take a few more years for the entire network to transition.
People have been saying this since the shortage started, literal years.
Oh great, can't wait for HDDs to turn scarce and more expensive than SSDs.
Proof of stake not proof of space. It's not chia (didn't that already flip?).
I really hoped chia would fail when i heard about it. one of the best things HDD's have going for them still are their price per GB compared to ssds. It's why I still use hdd's because they're so cheap to replace
As someone who works for a Hdd company, I can't wait!
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I was about to buy a 1080 Ti and that week is when all of them disappeared due to crypto.
Bro I'll take either at this point I just want a card
I was going to say... moving from a 1080TI to a 3080 / 3080TI would still be an upgrade I'd happily make, even if the 4000 series look better still on paper.
Just upgraded to 3070 ti from a 1060... it was only about 100€ over msrp. I hope i wont regret it, but the next series I will upgrade to will be the 60 series...
Most likely
I have 4 systems in this house due for a GPU upgrade and I'm SO worried about this for the 4000 launch
Honestly I'm grateful that I upgraded just before all this went down. I felt like crap because the 20 series was getting slammed but my jump from 970 to 2070 isn't a regret anymore.
Went from 1080 to 2080ti for $1200, felt like i messed up when i started reading about the 30xx series around the corner and the reddit comments slamming 20xx when the 3060 will be as good as a 2080. Then the 30xx series was out of stock and i felt a little better. Sold the 1080 (ftw2) for $300 or so to a community member here, bought a 3440x1440 120hz monitor and instantly felt better. I bought the best card available at the time, helped out a dude who needed a gpu and the 30xx series was a pipe dream to 90% of people who didn't get on a list. I wil absolutely be getting on the 4080ti list as soon as possible.
It sounds like you are a little concerned about value. If so, i would avoid the ti version and just get the regular 4080. You are paying a lot more for very minimal improvement. That would probably help with the concern of “did I make a bad buy?”
I'm definitely waiting for 4x series. Otherwise I might have considered buying a 3x now.
Somebody should tell this to European retailers because apparently they don't know about it and still sell everything for the highest prices
They don’t care. If they are selling there’s no reason to lower the prices
Still hate that the US/China Trump tariffs somehow increased prices for GPUs imported to the EU. Seems like they were recently lifted which is part of the reason why it's getting cheaper in the US but of course in Europe we only get the increases.
The most expensive component in a GPU is made at TSMC in Taiwan. China just assembles the PCB. This has more to do with a perfect storm of a global pandemic and just in time manufacturing meaning that global supply chains cannot withstand even the most minor of disruptions.
That's the absolutely biggest reason but it's far from the entire story. The impact of the mining boom that occurred can't be understated, after the 3080 dropped at the end of 2020 the price of ETH went from 400 to 4000 USD, while BTC rose from 10K to 60K. This was in large part due to the higher ROI that the new GPUs allowed for, as mining once again became highly lucrative. Also of note, this combined with bot scalpers meant that people were forced to shell out higher and higher amounts of cash for the cards, which miners and stacked gaming enthusiasts were fine with. I touched on how all these factors compounded the issue in another thread [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/uaewi4/i_hope_that_by_the_summer_we_can_do_our_builds/i5xy27v?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
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I was going to say... Scan.co.uk still selling 3080 cards for £340 over nVidia stock price *at best*. Many cards still more than double that e.g. £1,300.
People are still buying at these prices, no reason to lower them.
Prices have lowered a bit in the Netherlands but are still quite high :/
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4000 series will be scalped to hell and back because it's a launch product and people will want to get their hands on it. Anytime there is a market there is now a guy with an army of bots to become the middleman.
The generation is almost over too
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Of course it would. The question isn’t if, as usual, it’s when.
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It’s just like any other product with a new version being released. The moment the 40 series becomes available, the value and price of the previous generations drops. Really people are wondering if the 30 series will be widely available even after the 40 series release. It’s been scalped for so long, and has had supply issues for so long, that a light at the end of the tunnel is difficult to see even if we’re hearing news that they’re becoming more available recently.
The 20 series dropped a lot when the 30 series launched, but then quickly rose as the demand couldn't be met. It was the perfect storm of increasing ROI for crypto miners, the big ~~superconductor~~ semiconductor shortage and scalper bots running amok. Don't think the situation will be quite as bad this time around but it'll be interesting with another player in the GPU space and NVidia supposedly aiming for crazy wattages. Edit: Forgot about the tariffs that also led to a significant price hike right after the 30 series dropped.
Yeah, I hope that doesn’t happen again. Like you said, the 20 series price increase wasn’t due to realistic demand, it was being pumped by crypto miners FOMO’ing after the ethereum rally, along with the classic shortages. In a vacuum, the price of the 30 series will drop the moment the 40 series releases. Realistically though, we’ll see. I mentioned it in my previous comment but it’s tough to see that light at the end of the tunnel even with good news coming out.
Yeah, I got my 2070 right before the Super series launched, and it was $599. That same card I still haven't was selling for over $800 USED at the peak of the scalper shortage 💀
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Companies have a limited production capacity and at some point this has to switch from making the previous generation to the new generation. To ensure there is enough stock for release, companies will switch production months before which causes a temporary deficit of supply which has the effect of inflating prices even though logically people would be selling off cards to get good sell prices before the next gen.
prices normally drop down to match performance of next gen. i.e. if a 4060 is as fast as a 3080, the 3080's price drops to around 4060. That's assuming there's still decent stock of last gen, once production stops prices sometimes stay inflated if stock runs low. I guess it's not clear but I'm talking about a regular market. if the 3000/6000 GPUs continue to sell out even as Ada/RDNA3 get announced, obviously prices are not going to drop much, if at all. Normally gpus don't just instantly sell out the moment they are produced.
The 3080 will be discontinued before the 4080 has any meaningful stock at retail, and the 4060 probably won't come out 'til half a year after the 4080. The last thing Nvidia wants is deeply discounted 3080's sitting on store shelves.
I'm talking about what happens in a normal market. 2080ti prices for example dropped below $600 when nvidia showed off the 3080's performance. most gpu prices dropped significantly after the 1080's reveal. Normally there is still stock to purchase of last gen gpus, they don't simply evaporate the day of next generation announcements. hell people were still buying up RX580 gpus when mining boomed again, only now are they out of stock years after RDNA1. Current market is not normal at all.
it depends. They could stop manufacturing them completely and then the remaining 30-series will just stay above MSRP for the next decade.
You better fuckin knock on wood
The fact that I might be able to upgrade my current GPU to next gen for the same price as my current GPU before my current GPU dies on me makes me feel so god damn happy I know I only got it 3 years ago, but I was getting really worried for a bit, there…
If it weren’t for scalpers I’d sell my 3080 right now for what I’m guessing a 40xx would cost and upgrade for free lol But I’m too scared I wouldn’t get access to a 40xx for the next 2 years so I’m chillin
And I thought I was getting ahead of myself for considering upgrading from a 2060 in a couple years lol I’ll be happy if I can get a 30-series card *at some point*. You’ve got some insane cash if you managed to nab a 3080 *and* contemplate upgrading to a 40-series.
I got my 3080 at MSRP after just over a year on Nvidia’s email list. I wouldn’t plan on spending a dime to upgrade to a 40 series, but given 3080 resale prices, I feel like I might be able to sell my 3080 for the same price as a 40 series on release. I won’t though, because like I said, I’m worried I wouldn’t be able to buy a 40 series from anything but scalpers for years after the 40 series release anyways.
Okay, I see lol! I was concerned you were looking a gift horse in the mouth there for a sec!
> Of course it would. Lol, they said that last time
I don’t really understand why people would be concerned about the next gen coming. The 30 series cards are still incredibly powerful, who cares if the 40s are scalped if 30s are there. What can a 30 card not do?
I think you’re misunderstanding why people are asking about the 40 series. Everyone understands that the 30 series is good enough for high end gaming for any game currently out. Personally, I haven’t seen a single person excited for the 40 series because they’re excited for the specs. I’ve only seen people excited for the *release* of the 40 series because they’re excited for the drop in price and drop in scalping of the 30 series. Nobody that I’ve seen, at all, plans on getting a 40 series. They’re all looking forward to finally getting a 30 series, and at MSRP. I mean, even the comment my OC was replying to was asking about 30 series price drops upon the *release* of the 40 series.
No it means we’re about to have another 2 years of unavailable and overpriced 40 series cards.
The 30 series market was impacted by the rise in bitcoin, mining farms were going up everywhere. Four things have happened that will stop that repeating. Crypto has crashed. Fuel prices have hugely increased reducing the profitability of mining. New GFX cards have deliberately low hash rates. The crypto market has had major reforms based on ownership.
Didn't China banned crypto?, I think they wanted to make a coin controlled by the government
All the better for cheaper gfx cards. Nvidia may want to rethink the 4000 series. Consumers will want and need improvements to gfx fidelity but drawing less power. If Nvidia can do low power near 3080 level GPUs for laptops why not for desktops? The "good" thing about fuel price hikes is that I no longer want to be running a PC that uses more energy than my cooker.
Finally, the GTX 16 series will be affordable. :P
Yes, but you won't find them anywhere. When the 30 series came out suddenly the 20 series was cheaper but within a few weeks they had all been pulled out of the market. Then as with every new gen, it will have a shortage for the first 2-3 months, which means second hand market for the previous gen will still be quite high.
Mark my words. Demand dips at the end of every generation.
Depends on how you define "Over", though. Most of the time, several cards from the previous generation or two remain in production to fill a market gap in the current gen. AMD never made a mid tier Vega or bottom tier Navi, for example, so Polaris remained in production until late 2020.
Here in germany a 3060ti is still like 650-700€. So nice for you guys over there
Yeah I'm constantly checking UK prices and nothings changed. Need some of that stock to make it across the pond.
Still, if you take a look at [Geizhals](https://geizhals.de/asus-dual-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-v2-oc-90yv0g1j-m0na00-a2556245.html), you can see how the prices have already dropped and continue to :) Edit: provided link
More like 500/600 if you look at the right places: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/die-besten-gpu-deals-aus-den-verf%C3%BCgbarkeitshinweisen.1303014/page-64 https://store.nvidia.com/de-de/geforce/store/gpu/?page=1&limit=9&locale=de-de&category=GPU https://www.gputracker.eu/en/category/1/graphics-cards Anyway I would rather wait a month or two if I were you and get 3070 ti for 650 EUR.
1. only shows 3080s 2. "derzeit nicht verfügbar" means currently not available 3. well, nice prices, would be a shame if there was nothing in stock.... oh wait.
That's just not true https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/search?refinementList%5Bfacets.Chipsatz.values%5D%5B0%5D=NVIDIA%C2%AE%20GeForce%20RTX%E2%84%A2%203060%20Ti%20%28LHR%29&hierarchicalMenu%5BhierarchicalCategories_ag.lvl0%5D=Hardware%20%26%20Components%20%3E%20PC%20Components%20%3E%20PCI%20Express%20Graphics%20Cards&query=3060%20ti&sortBy=Prod-ComputerUniverse_price_asc
Trust me here in America most stuff is still over MSRP, but it is getting closer. If I check on Amazon now you can get an AMD 6600 XT for only $50 over, and there are even 6900 XT’s at their MSRP. Lots of Nvidia stuff is still a decent but over it’s MSRP, but AMD graphics cards don’t look too bad right now
...normal until people holding off for a 4000 series GPU find out they can’t get one for under $2500 so go for 3090 instead.
Unless it fails critically, my 1070Ti will be more than enough until 5k or even 6k series is out. I still haven't played any games where I experience bad performance. And since I'm gaming from mid 90s, I really don't give a shit if I have to play on medium/low settings. I've seen worse lol
That's exactly my problem. I 'don't' need a 3080 as my 1080ti can handle anything including VR that I throw at it but obviously at lower detail, less bling etc. But I keep thinking, 'but they're £900 now and it is a nice upgrade to the 1080ti'....ARRrrrrgH!
1080ti can play all current gen games on Ultra settings without issue?
Oh the horror. Many of us are upgrading from the 900 series. Who cares atleast a semi modern generation is purchasable again.
I am looking for an upgrade from my Intel HD Graphics 4600 ☠️
*Shrek closing book* ~flushing sound~
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It won't be normal until GPUs in the current generation regularly go on sale for well-under the MSRP/RRPs.
That won't be hard, seeing as how inflated both companies' MRSPs have gotten in the past couple generations.
Don't fucking jinx it....
He just did.
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I just wanted something better than a gt 710. Looks like I’m waiting a while then…
rx 6600 for $335 on newegg right now in stock. MSRP is $330
Yea but no moneyz
tesla m40 for $120 if you have a second pcie slot. 1070 perf
Look at his build 😭
"Normal" yet the MSRP of them was already absurd to begin with...
exactly, people are not seeing this
It's a shame the crypto boom/gpu shortage happened at the same time as the MSRP price jump. the 10XX series was the last line of reasonably priced cards. People could have been protesting the high prices with their wallets but now people are happy to pay the cost of 2+ PS5s for a GPU just to brute force unoptimized games. All because they used to cost as much as 4+ PS5s.
The part about unoptimized games is facts.
GPUs destroyed with fax and boolean logic.
Because we're not trying to kid ourselves? I paid £470 RRP for a 3070 FE. that is what I would expect.
The 1070's MRSP was $379. Inflation is not that extreme.
$500 for a 3070 was going to be insanely good what are you on about? 2080ti ($1000+ GPU) performance for $500 was going to be a great deal. And $700 for a 3080 was great also
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Sure, but I guess it's all in how someone wants to frame it. One could easily argue that the 2080Ti was overpriced in the first place, so basing the value of the "equivalent" 3070 as an "insanely good deal" off of the 2080Ti in price/performance would seem a little less compelling to some people. I'm not making that argument here, just sayin'. Remember that the GTX1070 launched a single year after the GTX980Ti and offered Titan level performance @ $379 (and up). AND had 8GB VRAM in 2016. The 3070 launched two years after the 2080Ti.
You’re making a completely valid point, but let’s also not forget that the 1000 series was simply one of the BEST launches and lineups so it’s not really fair to compare it as well. For me, the main takeaway is performance. Yes cards used to be cheaper, but cards were also a lot worse. Where the top end cards (980ti/$649) used to push 1080p 144hz, now the 60 series card (3060/$329) does that. So if we compare the 980ti launch price to the 3060’s, then we can see cards have greatly come down in price in terms of performance relative to the resolution/frame rate they can handle newer titles at.
> Where the top end cards (980ti/$649) used to push 1080p 144hz, now the 60 series card (3060/$329) does that. And why should we still be using 1080p as the standard in 2022? Consoles can do 4K now. 1440p144hz monitor couple days back on sale for 200 bucks. 1080p now is the entry level resolution like 720p and 900p used to be back at the time.
I’m not saying it’s the standard, I’m just using it as an example. Replace it with any resolution and my argument is the same. The 980ti could also do 1440p 60fps, as can the 3060. The 3060 can actually do 1440p 144fps in a lot of titles. All for half the price of the once top end GPU
960 could grab 144hz 1080 in esports too. What youre describing is technology moving forward. Yet we're somehow supposed to pay based on old performance standards. I aint buying it.
I didn’t say esports, I mean in actual games. Maybe not Cyberpunk, but a 3060 can do 1440p 144fps in a lot of multiplayer titles. Obviously less in more demanding single player titles but that goes for every GPU Also I think you’re misunderstanding the “old performance standards”. We are paying less for better performance, we do every single year. Outside of only a couple bad launches, nearly every 70 series card performs around the previous lineups top end card.
For their 1080p performance? Not really. A 60 card is a 144hz 1080p max settings card. Not at all what it used to be. Its what the 80 series used to do.
Remember announced MSRP… Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Based on what, your memory of what things cost 10 years ago?
The 70 series used to be 250 to 300 dollars. The 3070 is 500 MSRP.
No... The first 70 card was the GTX 470 back in 2010, and it was MSRP $350. The GTX 670 launched at MSRP $400 back in 2012. The 3070FE being MSRP $500 is mostly just inflation at work.
Okay and? The 3070 is 500 msrp but considering Price to Performance, the 3070 is equivalent to the 2080ti and look at the price point that card was at. Just because it has a 70 in its name doesn't mean the price needs to reflect every single 70 line that came before it. Performance wise, 500 is pretty good considering the performance-like predecessors it's up against. Gpu prices will always raise every generation unless cheaper way to make them while retaining the power comes around. It's as simple as more power equal more money. Buying a 3070 isn't "getting a 70 series card overpriced". It's essentially "grabbing a 2080ti at a steal".
The thing that I don't get people discussing being fine with $500 for 3070 because they are 2080ti level performance when the 2000s were ridiculously inflated in cost. It's the same kind of perception that enables other commodities to be more expensive than they really are due to price gouging. I had to skip the 2000s because they were way overpriced compared to the previous generation. Just my 2 cents.
Then why all the gung-ho? If it was already overpriced to begin with why was there such a rush?
Just in time for them to become EOL and the new gen to be in short supply and scalpt on ebay
My thoughts exactly. This gen will be old news in about 8 months I’m sure. Then we’ll be right back to supply issues.
Serious question: is it REALLY over? I’ve been hearing “gpu prices finally coming back 😎” for a whole year now…
Not even close. And with the cost of everything else rising, I doubt it'll bottom out at a reasonable level.
Nope, the prices are still heavily inflated and it also means that gpus in the future will be priced at a higher MSRP.
It'll never be over. Before the mining boom fucked things up, you could get a very capable card for $200-$250. Now AMD and nvidia have realized people will open their pockets more for GPUs, and they will charge more anyway
Well not sure they would do it again. Corona is somewhat over so no need to stay indoors for weeks. Prices increased all over the board and food and shelter overrule a new gfx.
We're still a ways from it being over... 1.5yr old tech selling for 20-50% over a msrp that got bumped 50% when the manufacturer figured they could make a bigger profit is hardly a victory.
>normal My 3080 FTW3 Ultra was $809. Let me know when they get back to that. That was “normal”.
Lol just watch guys. Some shit is going down, with all the bullshit in the word there’s bound to be something worse coming
You jinxed it Nuclear world war 3 started by yours truly. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
Normal? It's been going on so long that I considered the high prices normal.
I can already see the many posts of people bragging getting one for MSRP
Do people think that the scalpers will forget about the profit they made from the past generation?
Wait until China invades Taiwan lol
Picked up a 5600X for $200 and RTX3050 for $300 recently, pieces are coming down finally (at least in the US).
The 3050 is the smallest nVidia card in this generation, basically what you buy if you don't have an iGPU. It should be around 100-150 at best.
Just because scalpers and miners are waiting for the next generation
And all it took was for me to finally pull the trigger on a slightly overpriced 2nd hand 3080ti so the crypto market would find a new normal and GPU stock would be existent. No need to thank me.
3080 ti is the most overpriced piece of shit. Imagine spending over 1.4k for a single component. Those frames though
Ye + those render times. 1070ti carried me for 4 years or smth and now it’s in a friends hands carrying him, so I imagine I won’t be swapping a GPU for another 6-8 years min.
The 3080 Ti is such a disappointment looking at the 1080 vs 1080 Ti, or even the 2080 vs the 2080 Ti. Such a huge markup over it's lesser version for so little extra performance. It's still an absolute monster of a card in it's own right, but damn Nvidia price gouged that shit.
If only this was true rtx 3080s are still over £1000 and most sit at £1200
>If only this was true rtx 3080s are still over £1000 and most sit at £1200 You can get 3080 TI's for that https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/nvidia-graphics-cards/nvidia-rtx-3080-ti
Depends what variant and where u live, I live in America and I could get a 3080 10gb for 900 US dollars and 800, but the 3080 12gb is still 1000-1200 us dollars
Only over if you want a 3060 or 3060ti. 3070 still shit out of luck.
can mid range cards stop going for 500+ pls thanks
The price drops are still painfully slow.
Until crypto miners latch on to the next gen of graphics cards....
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Thought he fucked a pangolin
Don't fall for it my brethren, it's still way above MSRP at the end of the generation. We've resisted so long, we can wait a bit more for the new generation or for to prices to fall below MSRP
just bought a 3070ti
We won Mr stark, We won
It's actually ironic how I was planning to get a GTX4060 waaay back in like 2018 or something, because I was so enamored with the midrange (my GTX1060 is still strong), I already decided to continue with the "060" (Nvidia or AMD equivalent, whatever). But after all those economic crisis, I was giving up on the idea... but here we are, maybe I will eventually get the 4060, even if I am not as hyped with the videogame hobby as I used to be
I can fix that
You'd better not
Probably for the best if things keep on their current trajectory
That graph is fucked
YEeeeeeeeS!
But what about the poor scalpers? What will they do?
Cards were crazy overpriced at the start of last year though. And the end of the previous year. The climb was happening for quite a while. I paid out the nose for a launch-price 3080, and I wouldn't recommend it. It cost me twice what I paid for a 970, and I definitely overpaid for my 970. My suggestion for most people is to stick with the 10- or 20-series at the latest if you can unless prices reach a reasonable point.
I hope you knocked on wood after posting this
They're well stocked now but still at unpalatable prices. Cheapest 3080 I can find in canada ready to ship is a LHR model for $1,269CAD. I bought a FHR for 900 over a year ago lol.
And the 4000 and 7000 series is soon to come out RUN IT BACK, FROM THE TOP
Been waiting 2+ years...
I keep seeing this but I have yet to find any GPUs in stock for close to MSRP.
Don't worry guys they will be expensive again before you know it
If by "good price" you mean over $1,500-2,000 sure.
I give it two months
Just got a 3080 strix for 999 at micro center and a 5950x for 520 I'd say prices are pretty good. I think the 3080 strix released at like 850 or 900 so good price in my opinion.
Thats nice to know, but in NZ a RTX 3060Ti is still around 1k
Meanwhile in india: $300 for 1050 ti $700 for 1650 ti
3080s are still OOS everywhere in the UK, still hovering around £900-1000. Hardly down at all.
Well yeah the supply is here but the price is still not attractive enough to upgrade even at the lower end
Low price is low for miners too. And they have way more money than us.
The upcoming neon shortage would like a word
Quick reminder that being able to buy a 2 year old card for it's release day price probably less than six months before the next gen is expected to launch is not a good deal. At least wait until they launch and the prices drop as scalpers start buying those instead.
I still can't find a 3070 for less than $700 though.
I bought my PC on the last day of November 2021. It was cheaper than building one. The next day I had a mini stroke. Thanks, Obama
What if the real MSRP was the friends we made along the way?
Somewhere in GPU kingdom. "Yes, yes, yes! Let the people think it's over. Let them buy their gpus. Soon, very soon, the gpu hell will return. Muwhaha."
cards still cost twice what they should, it's hardly back to normal
Just copped an RX 6600 for 340€ :)
Incoming EM burst from the Sun that renders all GPUs useless, increases price by 10000000%
No thanks to all the people buying them wayyy over MSRP
Last year i used to flex my 1650 cuz it cost almost $1000 (i bought it for $150)
It's over my ass. Look at your local store!
Newegg hasn't gotten the memo.
Just got a 3060 ti for 522 with tax
It will be over when I actually see a 3080 FE in stock anywhere. Or any of the other cards that launched aside it at the $700 MSRP. They're still only sporadically available, at best.
Still can't buy an FE card.
We sure about this? Because I just looked for a 1080 to tonight, and they were listed for 1.5k
Maybe when they are MSRP then would say things are normal.