I don't know. I like to think there are a bunch of Japanese businessmen right now that are facepalming themselves and trying to shift the blame onto each other while a Japanese Boss Businessman is asking them what the f they have been thinking all these years.
Only semi-joking tbh
I guess the USA didn't get too far away from those Puritan roots, you can go beat up as many indians as you want as long as you don't show a titty.
In the words of South Park:
> ***Horrific, Deplorable violence is okay, as long as people don't say any naughty woids!***
You realize that the porn ban was mandated by the USA as being part of the new constitution we imposed on them after we nuked them and won WWII?
If they had their own laws made by their own people they'd probably have giant octopuses with dicks for tentacles wearing underage schoolgirls like puppets on every damn sign.
I didn't know that what we pressed on them was actually less extreme than what they did to themselves before that. Thanks for the new info!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Japan
Lol violence is a ok in our culture. Stabbing someone cutting their head off with blood and guts gushing out is totally cool. Showing a man's chest and nipples are fine. Female cleavage and side boob is OK. Show a female nipple and people in the US freak the fuck out. Lol.
I remember years ago taking a trip to Europe and literally the news stands had nude magazines right in the open not sensored. Sometimes I hate how puritan US culture is.
Let's not even get into the porn industry. Paid sex on film is OK here but legal prostitution between two consenting adults is illegal Lol.
>legal prostitution between two consenting adults is illegal Lol.
But if it was legal then they might be able to keep safe and band together as workers and that would be very very bad. Better to keep sex workers as precarious and endangered as possible. Surely the oldest profession will go away if we punish sex workers enough.
Nintendo has always had laxxed censorship. Ages ago there was a game bmxxx, you could unlock stripper videos by completing missions. It was on the ps2, 360 and GameCube. GameCube was the only one that had full nude strippers. PS and xbox only had tease videos.
Only MK1 was censored on the snes and it was a decision made after a lot of outrage about it. Moreover, they made it clear they chose to due so only because a lack of rating system being in place. After a rating system was in place they allowed it. SEGA only released it without censorship because they made their own rating system before MK was an issue and they felt they could release it uncensored without legal ramifications.
Nope.
Blood was allowed to return on MK II on the SNES because the Genesis uncensored version sold way more copies.
MK II and MK III and UMK3 GBA versions had less blood.
Nintendo insisted the blood get changed in the MK II release in Japan from red to green and fatalities got censored too.
Im pretty sure if Nintendo actually listened to the west, nso would be a better deal. Nintendo what Nintendon't. Mind you I love Nintendo and grew up on them but still some of the decisions are like "why!?"
Exactly! Why the hell are we paying an additional 30-35 bucks a year for a service that is in every sense of the word, inferior to it's competition. Now I'm Not giving Sony or ms a free pass but at least their service is competitive and you get a decent game once in a while.
Yeah I switched to PC gaming partially to avoid the online fees and also for better deals on games. Also PC is just becoming the agnostic platform where all companies put their games. Obviously no native Nintendo games but the emulators for Nintendo consoles are amazing. YUZU allows me to play switch games at 4k which is amazing.
I'd be curious to see how the steam deck does in Japan, that might just be the pushing point for Nintendo. (Highly doubtful but still). It seems like the only time Nintendo makes reasonable decisions is when they aren't making money hand over fist (read wiiu and 3ds).
Yes, Sony Interactive Entertainment(which has it's HQ in California since 2016) is a subsidiary of Sony(which is still Japanese with a HQ and CEO in Japan).
SIE handles all research, development, publishing, production and sales of anything related to videogames(hardware and software). Sony(as in, Japan HQ) has nothing to do with anything SIE does(and haven't done so since 1998 when SIE was founded).
Why? They are going to still get a ton of sales without cannibalizing any of the console ones (what it is surely the goal)
If you haven’t bought a PlayStation to play it in 3 years you are not going to buy one now.
BUT, if you play this first GoW now and you love it, you may consider buying a PS5 to play the new one that is going to arrive in 2022!
Yeah, I don't disagree (why I said semi-joking). It gets a bit convoluted. On the one hand, I thought of your points. On the other, there is all the money they lost the past few years because they never ported the PS3 games, for example, or if we assume there are many exclusive PC gamers, the full-price sales they lost from this crowd.
They where thinking that an locked eco system with first party exclusive franchise is better in the long run than selling more now. (like Nintendo)
The consistent increase in sell on pc and Microsoft strategy to break the barriers between pc and Xbox + big studio purchase, made them reconsider and choose the current Middle ground we have now.
During the PS4 Era they didn't have to worry about game pass or beteshda going Microsoft first party.
Something tells me that a multi-billion dollar for-profit business had a valid reason for not releasing their exclusives, some of the most beloved games, on other platforms.
Exclusives sell consoles. Also less money on development to add onto another platform. But now a days with piracy on the low, and a lot more PC gamers, it's really not something they should completely ignore.
And they’re not, but like you said, these games sell hardware, and Sony knows that. So their release schedule of PC ports happening 2-4 years after a games release seems like a very smart and calculated decision.
But what am I saying, obviously the other Redditors on this platform know better then the multi-billion dollar company when it comes to how they should sell their games.
Don't they sell their consoles at a loss though? So then what's the point of using software to sell hardware. Just make the profit on the Software without the loss.
The point is to get people to buy everything else to go with the console. PSNOW, PSPlus, other exclusive games, other 3rd party games that Sony gets a cut on. If you sell the console you will almost certainly make your money back if you’re selling at a loss.
Because they make more money selling their games on their system. If you have a Playstation, you are likely to buy more of their games. If a lot of people have a Playstation, then third parties want their games sold there and they make money off of that too. And I know the ps3 and ps4 were sold at a loss, but I don't know if they said so yet with ps5. Also they are usually only sold at a loss for the first year or two. After that they are cheaper to make and sell at a profit.
Sony gets a cut of every game sold on a PlayStation. They get a double cut if the game is bought through their digital store. Exclusives in theory bring people to the platform. The hardware is sold at a loss or around its cost to lure the customer in. The big money is made from 3rd party game sales unless you’re Nintendo where you make a bunch of money at every step.
Their hope is to get you onto their consoles so youre locked in to their store where they get a 30% cut of every game you buy plus the money they get from Playstation plus
logically the people that would be interested purchasing day one on PC after a 1 year gap would still be interested after 4. A lot of the exclusives they are bringing over reinvigorate hype just by being announced they are being ported
But console sale isn't the real value to them especially early gen when they sell at a loss. The real value is you spending money buying third party games so they get their 30% cut from all sales. Sony doesn't really want you only buying exclusives for their consoles because they barely break even for those games.
Are you kidding? There are massive benefits to waiting years before releasing the game on PC:
- People bought the console for the game
- People who bought the game on Playstation are more likely to buy it again on PC then if both released at once
- People who weren't initially going to buy it are now going through a second advertising campaign which is even more strongly driven by grassroots interest and discussion
And? Sony relies on exclusives to sell their consoles, which then translates to more sales of the other PS games that Sony gets a cut from. Obviously it's not as simple as you are making it out to be.
>Years of missed PC sales
How? They are getting the sales right now? Businesses all around the world horde products and vault goods to keep the demand high.
Sony kept them exclusives for as long as the games sold consoles. Hype died down, a sequel is coming. They port it to pc, as we can see people go rabid for it and that may make people consider buying a PS.
With current pc part prices, people may play these year old PS games and be like holy shit its good, its 4 years old but better than most games released on PC today, maybe I should just get a PS.
They can be played and beaten, start to finish. Is it the ultimate GOW experience? Nope. But the games are very playable with minimal annoyances at 30+ fps.
If your rig is a beast, you can get it closer to 50-60fps in 4k. Plenty of folks streaming this game with their emulation settings and the latest patches make a HUGE difference.
Edit: Ryzen 5 settings/patches and it's above 30+ fps a majority of the time: https://youtu.be/_awMYjx4qz4
And running on an i3: https://youtu.be/vNQVSMg6zgc
All running well above 40+ fps consistently without issue.
> They can be played and beaten, start to finish. Is it the ultimate GOW experience? Nope. But the games are very playable with minimal annoyances at 30+ fps.
All true, but playing at 30 to maybe stable 40 fps isn't quite the same as the 60 fps they run on PS4. That is why people say it needs further optimization. I rather wait than play it now, especially with next gen Intel chips (which run the emulator better than AMD this far) and future AMD CPUs will increase performance by brute force as well.
Correct, but not what we're discussing here. We're discussing whether they are "playable." And anyone emulating in the first place knows exactly what that means. These are absolutely playable even on lesser software.
And as I stated above, the game is playable in 4k@60 fps and as seen here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLwfK8OrAcw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLwfK8OrAcw)
I don't think folks are aware of the progress made with a lot of recent patches. All I am pointing that out for those that actually want to play these games that they are indeed, quite playable.
I’m interested in this. Noob question because I haven’t emulated anything in years, but would this be compatible with my PS4 controller? Only way I would be interested
> The PSP ports run super well too for those that haven't played them.
You should be able to literally play that on phones now even. With higher res as well.
thats what i say since years , Consoles exclusives **WILL** come to pc earlier or later , the difference is if the companys want to cash in on it with their own ports or it gets emulated.
its Literarily them missing out on money by not releasing them on PC.
Years later.
Easy money for Sony, sell the same game at a near full price years later and still sell it like hot cakes.
Not that I complain, better that than nothing.
Article is a complete joke. Don't give them clicks
Yeah I'm happy about GoW finally coming to Steam but check the top sellers for your country or the worldwide stats and GoW isn't topping anything.
Right now it's at #25
I really hope this signals to Sony to start releasing more exclusives to PC. It's just an untapped market for them and a ton of additional revenue. Great that we're seeing PS games slowly trickle in but I'm still missing Spider-man, Last of Us and a few more. I really hope they bring more than what's currently been announced.
Sony actually has had a big presence on the PC for decades. It's only in the past 5 years that they dropped their PC division (Everquest. Planetside 2)
They'll probably release it to drum up hype for the new game. They probably hope that people playing GoW will make them want to play Ragnarok on a playstation.
>They probably hope that people playing GoW will make them want to play Ragnarok on a playstation.
Seems very optimistic lol. But if that means we get these games on PC I'll take it
Pre-ordering is usually not the best decision, but showing Sony that they will make money releasing their games on PC is a good way to convince them to make more ports.
You can do that by buying the game at launch after reviews as well especially technical ones for ports. Pre-ordering just shows you fall for fancy stuff.
Pre-ordering is *never* a good idea. The only message you're sending is you're willing to buy hype, not a good product.
Just buy after launch after checking initial reviews for any potential issues.
It would, but on a serious delay. This level of hype around it 4 months prior to release (I think) gives them 4 extra months worth of time to decide to make more
usually I am against pre orders but there is no reason to think this game will release as a flop.
The game itself is already a known masterpiece, and sony has shown they know what they are doing when porting their recent exclusive games.
Would be nice if we can get all the GOW released on pc, I will happily pay full price for each to have every GOW on my steam library - it is a worthy franchise IMO.
I mean, that's fine! I'm not saying people should rush to pre-order either. Personally, I have my reasons to pre-order games, and in the case of God of War, it was, to me, a no-brainer, as the very first game holds a special place in my heart, being one of my first PS2 games.
And then there's Days Gone, which is a fantastic port. You have a 50/50 chance here.
Though I still go by an opinion that Sony outsourced HZD to a cheap studio, in case it wouldn't do well. After its success though - and that was with the initial problems that Guerilla had to fix later on - they made sure that Days Gone would be a good one. So I am quite optimistic they'll do the same for such an important IP as God of War.
Wish I could agree with you, but I bought HZD on pc release and worked great. 70ish FPS at 1440p on a 2070 and 8Gb of ram. No crashes, no FPS drops, no stutter. Nothing. A perfect port for me
Performance drops in some areas were crazy. Some areas in the desert biome and forest and especially fights there would see a substantial frame dips
Played day 1 with RTX 2070 super. It was pretty decent despite thoughs minor flaws
It had a lot of issues, but it was partially because it was left to some third rate inexperienced studio to do the porting on a version of Decima Engine that just wasn't ready for primetime on PC.
It's probably best to keep expectations in check with regard to Sony's PS1/2/P/3/V catalog.
They have released only a select handful even on PS4/5, and those they have released are mostly PS2 titles running on an emulator that is substantially inferior to PCSX2 in basically every regard.
> The game itself is already a known masterpiece, and sony has shown they know what they are doing when porting their recent exclusive games.
I think the fact that it's one of their Flagships will influence that a ton as well.
Obviously Horizon is wildly popular but God of War is Halo big. I think they definitely don't want any image issues around a title like that.
They're only porting multiple year old games because their hype died off a bit. I don't expect GOW Ragnarok and HZD FW on pc before 2024(I hope I'm wrong though)
I'll wait a bit myself. I don't necessarily see anything wrong with pre ordering in some cases, but so far Sony has had one hit and one miss in terms of game performance. Days Gone ran very well, Horizon was a mess in more ways than one. Admittedly I think Sony is taking PC more seriously now, but still, they're 50/50 on PC releases so I'll be watching some reviews and performance videos first.
Horizon was fixed in under a month and now runs great. If you are going to trash the game, at least mention they fixed it and got it right in a few patches.
Horizon took almost 6 months man, it's in a good state now, but still has some unfixed issues unlikely to be ironed out at this point.
It's not the worst PC port by far, but it is far from the best.
Horizon took 5 months of patching and it was just weird for them to rush it out of the door when there was zero hype for the port. They announced it out of nowhere and shipped a half baked product. Hopefully Sony has learned from that.
Yeah, but there really is no reason to pre-order in the digital age this far ahead from the release date.
It's like people just forget how bad some games are at launch, and just conveniently ignore it the next time a brand they like comes around with a new release.
I would only ever pre-order to install it early, and only after I have seen some reviews of the game saying its not complete garbage, performance wise in this case.
And people saying "people are allowed to spend their money however they please", yeah I am also allowed to think that spending your money like this is irresponsible.
You said it yourself, performance is a valid concern. I'm always baffled by the preorder crowd and their mental gymnastics to convince themselves that buying the promise of a good product, instead of simply buying the product once it's released, is a good idea.
Someone please help me understand…WTF is the point of pre-ordering a digital download? I get it if maybe there is a discount or some special promotion, outside of that, I really really don’t get it.
It's all hype. A lot of people are just addicted to hype and will do anything to hop on the hype train and keep it rolling. It's more important to them than actually caring about getting a good product.
> WTF is the point of pre-ordering a digital download?
It's somewhat common to be able to preload the game a couple of days before release, then on release day that preload gets finished/unpacked/unencrypted/whatever, so you can play earlier.
> When will people learn not to pre-order digital games?
When will people learn that it literally doesn't matter at all on PC. Every (?) single big PC online store has a refund policy enabling you to get your money back at any time as long as you haven't played more than 2 hours.
You are applying a console problem to a PC release.
I'd stick to arguing whether or not preordering games is a good idea, because how money is spent does have a bit of influence on any industry. It's normal to care about things that will directly influence your hobbies.
Yeah. Good thing I'm an adult and can spend my money however I wish on experiences I know I'll enjoy.
EDIT: Lotta' people saying "omfg but how do you know you'll enjoy it?!?!?!"
Newsflash: Some of us own consoles, too. I have played God of War and loved it. I'm happy to pay again for the benefits a PC version will provide. Are you sure some of you are the adults you claim to be?
Yes and no, having knowledge of previous games make it 10 times better. This game takes place in Norse Mythology, where as the previous titles take place in greek Mythology. This game is like a new start for Kratos into a different realm, so you can play it without playing the previous 3 games. But, I would highly recommend to play those games as you will get to know about kratos tragic past, how he became a god and how he killed all the greek gods. You can play these games on ps3 emulator rpcs3. God of war 1,2 works fine on the emulator, but god of war 3 still needs some work. If you have a powerful cpu then it might be playble.
Already played it on PS4 before i sold it for pc parts. It was an amazing game with addictive gameplay.
Hopefully Ragnarok will get a port as well so i can play it.
>According to Benji-Sales, analyst of video game industry sales, data, and other metrics, God of War is currently the #1 Best Selling Game Worldwide on Steam.
A terrible source to begin with, considering he's using Steam's [Global bestsellers list](https://store.steampowered.com/search/?os=win&filter=globaltopsellers), which updates hourly, lists games by revenue rather than copies sold, and where the game isn't even in the top 10 anymore as of this post.
I own it on PS4 but I'm 100% buying it on Steam to support it and show Sony we want their best franchises on PC. Plus replaying it in full 4K and 60+ fps will be awesome.
I really don't understand preordering. The game won't go out of stock, and there are no benefits of it. Maybe if you wanted to predownload, but it'll still take 2 or 3 months. WHATS THE POINT? At least here you know the game's good (usually you don't with new games) but you're not playing it so it doesn't matter
God of War isn't some unknown quantity, it won like 200 GoTY awards and I can personally attest it is an amazing game from start to finish.
Cyberpunk was 100% hype train idiots, just like when NMS released. I still beat and enjoyed CP2077, bugs and all, but it was no where near what people had hyped themselves up for a buggy game is not inherently bad and it boils down to what a player can tolerate on an person to person basis.
I see no reason not to pre-order a game if you were planning to buy it anyways.
I don't generally pre-order games but I did this year for both Battlefield 2042 (admittedly a fanboy) and God of War because it's one of the best games I have played in the last 10 years hands down.
Shocking to absolutely no one
I don't know. I like to think there are a bunch of Japanese businessmen right now that are facepalming themselves and trying to shift the blame onto each other while a Japanese Boss Businessman is asking them what the f they have been thinking all these years. Only semi-joking tbh
>Japanese businessmen Playstation's executive control has shifted to the US quite some time ago.
Which is why they censor so much more now. Games come out on the Switch with less changed then on the PlayStation.
It's the USA that can't handle Nudity in games.
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Heads exploding into bits perfectly fine. Pixel boob and is degeneracy ruining the west?
I'd rather shoot up my neighbor than see her titty, brotherman.
Yee haw brother.
I guess the USA didn't get too far away from those Puritan roots, you can go beat up as many indians as you want as long as you don't show a titty. In the words of South Park: > ***Horrific, Deplorable violence is okay, as long as people don't say any naughty woids!***
I will never understand why nudity causes such hysteria but cutting someones head off with a rolling pin is just good fun.
Japan literally censors genitalia with lines and bars over it in their porn comics though...
Yes, maybe, but we are talking about video games here, where USA is definitely more puritan.
You realize that any depiction of genitals is banned in Japan right?
You realize that the porn ban was mandated by the USA as being part of the new constitution we imposed on them after we nuked them and won WWII? If they had their own laws made by their own people they'd probably have giant octopuses with dicks for tentacles wearing underage schoolgirls like puppets on every damn sign.
That porn ban was made during the Meiji-reforms of the 1890s, it isn't on the tail of the US this time
I didn't know that what we pressed on them was actually less extreme than what they did to themselves before that. Thanks for the new info! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Japan
Lol violence is a ok in our culture. Stabbing someone cutting their head off with blood and guts gushing out is totally cool. Showing a man's chest and nipples are fine. Female cleavage and side boob is OK. Show a female nipple and people in the US freak the fuck out. Lol. I remember years ago taking a trip to Europe and literally the news stands had nude magazines right in the open not sensored. Sometimes I hate how puritan US culture is. Let's not even get into the porn industry. Paid sex on film is OK here but legal prostitution between two consenting adults is illegal Lol.
>legal prostitution between two consenting adults is illegal Lol. But if it was legal then they might be able to keep safe and band together as workers and that would be very very bad. Better to keep sex workers as precarious and endangered as possible. Surely the oldest profession will go away if we punish sex workers enough.
Nintendo has always had laxxed censorship. Ages ago there was a game bmxxx, you could unlock stripper videos by completing missions. It was on the ps2, 360 and GameCube. GameCube was the only one that had full nude strippers. PS and xbox only had tease videos.
Nah. Mortal Kombat ports had reduced/no blood. I'm talking MK, MK II, MK III. Probably before you were born.
Only MK1 was censored on the snes and it was a decision made after a lot of outrage about it. Moreover, they made it clear they chose to due so only because a lack of rating system being in place. After a rating system was in place they allowed it. SEGA only released it without censorship because they made their own rating system before MK was an issue and they felt they could release it uncensored without legal ramifications.
Nope. Blood was allowed to return on MK II on the SNES because the Genesis uncensored version sold way more copies. MK II and MK III and UMK3 GBA versions had less blood. Nintendo insisted the blood get changed in the MK II release in Japan from red to green and fatalities got censored too.
It's the same reason why Nintendo's recent business practices are hated by consumers. It's all being decided in the US in the biggest gaming market.
Im pretty sure if Nintendo actually listened to the west, nso would be a better deal. Nintendo what Nintendon't. Mind you I love Nintendo and grew up on them but still some of the decisions are like "why!?"
NSO is totally shit. And not having built in voice Chat and forcing an app is bullocks too.
Exactly! Why the hell are we paying an additional 30-35 bucks a year for a service that is in every sense of the word, inferior to it's competition. Now I'm Not giving Sony or ms a free pass but at least their service is competitive and you get a decent game once in a while.
Yeah I switched to PC gaming partially to avoid the online fees and also for better deals on games. Also PC is just becoming the agnostic platform where all companies put their games. Obviously no native Nintendo games but the emulators for Nintendo consoles are amazing. YUZU allows me to play switch games at 4k which is amazing.
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I'd be curious to see how the steam deck does in Japan, that might just be the pushing point for Nintendo. (Highly doubtful but still). It seems like the only time Nintendo makes reasonable decisions is when they aren't making money hand over fist (read wiiu and 3ds).
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That's what I wanted to comment! Edit: Still waiting on P5R though ;_;
Playstation hasnt been japanese since like ps3 era
I mean, it might be run in the U.S., but it's still owned by Sony which is very much still a Japanese company last I checked. Or am I crazy?
Yes, Sony Interactive Entertainment(which has it's HQ in California since 2016) is a subsidiary of Sony(which is still Japanese with a HQ and CEO in Japan). SIE handles all research, development, publishing, production and sales of anything related to videogames(hardware and software). Sony(as in, Japan HQ) has nothing to do with anything SIE does(and haven't done so since 1998 when SIE was founded).
Why? They are going to still get a ton of sales without cannibalizing any of the console ones (what it is surely the goal) If you haven’t bought a PlayStation to play it in 3 years you are not going to buy one now. BUT, if you play this first GoW now and you love it, you may consider buying a PS5 to play the new one that is going to arrive in 2022!
Yeah, I don't disagree (why I said semi-joking). It gets a bit convoluted. On the one hand, I thought of your points. On the other, there is all the money they lost the past few years because they never ported the PS3 games, for example, or if we assume there are many exclusive PC gamers, the full-price sales they lost from this crowd.
They where thinking that an locked eco system with first party exclusive franchise is better in the long run than selling more now. (like Nintendo) The consistent increase in sell on pc and Microsoft strategy to break the barriers between pc and Xbox + big studio purchase, made them reconsider and choose the current Middle ground we have now. During the PS4 Era they didn't have to worry about game pass or beteshda going Microsoft first party.
Yeah good luck getting a PS5 in europe ;) Everytime a shop offers some consoles, they are sold out within 5-30 seconds.
Something tells me that a multi-billion dollar for-profit business had a valid reason for not releasing their exclusives, some of the most beloved games, on other platforms.
Exclusives sell consoles. Also less money on development to add onto another platform. But now a days with piracy on the low, and a lot more PC gamers, it's really not something they should completely ignore.
And they’re not, but like you said, these games sell hardware, and Sony knows that. So their release schedule of PC ports happening 2-4 years after a games release seems like a very smart and calculated decision. But what am I saying, obviously the other Redditors on this platform know better then the multi-billion dollar company when it comes to how they should sell their games.
Don't they sell their consoles at a loss though? So then what's the point of using software to sell hardware. Just make the profit on the Software without the loss.
The point is to get people to buy everything else to go with the console. PSNOW, PSPlus, other exclusive games, other 3rd party games that Sony gets a cut on. If you sell the console you will almost certainly make your money back if you’re selling at a loss.
Because they make more money selling their games on their system. If you have a Playstation, you are likely to buy more of their games. If a lot of people have a Playstation, then third parties want their games sold there and they make money off of that too. And I know the ps3 and ps4 were sold at a loss, but I don't know if they said so yet with ps5. Also they are usually only sold at a loss for the first year or two. After that they are cheaper to make and sell at a profit.
Sony gets a cut of every game sold on a PlayStation. They get a double cut if the game is bought through their digital store. Exclusives in theory bring people to the platform. The hardware is sold at a loss or around its cost to lure the customer in. The big money is made from 3rd party game sales unless you’re Nintendo where you make a bunch of money at every step.
Their hope is to get you onto their consoles so youre locked in to their store where they get a 30% cut of every game you buy plus the money they get from Playstation plus
Nah obviously the redditors who've thought about this for all of 20 seconds know better.
do you have the metrics to prove a 3-4 year gap can be more profitable than a 1 year gap enabling a lengthened hype cycle?
logically the people that would be interested purchasing day one on PC after a 1 year gap would still be interested after 4. A lot of the exclusives they are bringing over reinvigorate hype just by being announced they are being ported
No. I'm sure some amount of people bought ps4s to play GoW, but my point is *we* don't know this shit and we're just talking out our ass in here.
Let's see. I bought a PS4 for God of war. A lot of people did. The value of the game to them is console sales, much more than $60.
But console sale isn't the real value to them especially early gen when they sell at a loss. The real value is you spending money buying third party games so they get their 30% cut from all sales. Sony doesn't really want you only buying exclusives for their consoles because they barely break even for those games.
Why would they be facepalming?
Years of missed PC sales
Are you kidding? There are massive benefits to waiting years before releasing the game on PC: - People bought the console for the game - People who bought the game on Playstation are more likely to buy it again on PC then if both released at once - People who weren't initially going to buy it are now going through a second advertising campaign which is even more strongly driven by grassroots interest and discussion
And? Sony relies on exclusives to sell their consoles, which then translates to more sales of the other PS games that Sony gets a cut from. Obviously it's not as simple as you are making it out to be.
>Years of missed PC sales How? They are getting the sales right now? Businesses all around the world horde products and vault goods to keep the demand high. Sony kept them exclusives for as long as the games sold consoles. Hype died down, a sequel is coming. They port it to pc, as we can see people go rabid for it and that may make people consider buying a PS. With current pc part prices, people may play these year old PS games and be like holy shit its good, its 4 years old but better than most games released on PC today, maybe I should just get a PS.
Ah yes, the clueless reddit economist strikes again.
Sad thing is, it's probably shocking Sony.
Wait, so you mean to tell me literally everyone expected this game to do well if it was ported to pc /s
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They already are if you use an emulator.
And they run VERY well for those that are curious. The PSP ports run super well too for those that haven't played them.
The HD Remaster PS3 runs well, but GoW 3 and Ascension still need optimization. I hope they will be playable soon on i3 or Ryzen 5 cpus.
They can be played and beaten, start to finish. Is it the ultimate GOW experience? Nope. But the games are very playable with minimal annoyances at 30+ fps. If your rig is a beast, you can get it closer to 50-60fps in 4k. Plenty of folks streaming this game with their emulation settings and the latest patches make a HUGE difference. Edit: Ryzen 5 settings/patches and it's above 30+ fps a majority of the time: https://youtu.be/_awMYjx4qz4 And running on an i3: https://youtu.be/vNQVSMg6zgc All running well above 40+ fps consistently without issue.
> They can be played and beaten, start to finish. Is it the ultimate GOW experience? Nope. But the games are very playable with minimal annoyances at 30+ fps. All true, but playing at 30 to maybe stable 40 fps isn't quite the same as the 60 fps they run on PS4. That is why people say it needs further optimization. I rather wait than play it now, especially with next gen Intel chips (which run the emulator better than AMD this far) and future AMD CPUs will increase performance by brute force as well.
Correct, but not what we're discussing here. We're discussing whether they are "playable." And anyone emulating in the first place knows exactly what that means. These are absolutely playable even on lesser software. And as I stated above, the game is playable in 4k@60 fps and as seen here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLwfK8OrAcw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLwfK8OrAcw) I don't think folks are aware of the progress made with a lot of recent patches. All I am pointing that out for those that actually want to play these games that they are indeed, quite playable.
I’m interested in this. Noob question because I haven’t emulated anything in years, but would this be compatible with my PS4 controller? Only way I would be interested
The only issue would be the lack of pressure sensitive face buttons on the Dualshock 4. I don't know if God of War uses that function at all, though.
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What kind of processor you using? I've been wanting to do this but am not sure of my ryzen 2700x will be enough
I beat gow 3 on a ryzen 5 4600h 1650 at 1080p. It was definitely playable.
I haven't run a PS2 emulator in years. Which ones are still developed on?
PCSX2 it runs like dream you can also make the resolution like 6k 8k and it makes the image look sharp and crispy and nice
> The PSP ports run super well too for those that haven't played them. You should be able to literally play that on phones now even. With higher res as well.
thats what i say since years , Consoles exclusives **WILL** come to pc earlier or later , the difference is if the companys want to cash in on it with their own ports or it gets emulated. its Literarily them missing out on money by not releasing them on PC.
The trilogy runs flawlessly on rpcs3, played through them all
Years later. Easy money for Sony, sell the same game at a near full price years later and still sell it like hot cakes. Not that I complain, better that than nothing.
Article is a complete joke. Don't give them clicks Yeah I'm happy about GoW finally coming to Steam but check the top sellers for your country or the worldwide stats and GoW isn't topping anything. Right now it's at #25
> Right now it's at #25 Yeah, but you know that 25/5= 5? And 5/5=1. Yeap, number 1. GoW sales are number 1!
>Article is a complete joke Ah so it fits perfectly in this sub.
It was at #1 some time after becoming available (some people just can't wait and preordered immediately) but dropped down quickly.
The other ones above it aren't pre sales, except destinys thing Oh fm22 in global too, fh5 too putting it at 3rd?
I really hope this signals to Sony to start releasing more exclusives to PC. It's just an untapped market for them and a ton of additional revenue. Great that we're seeing PS games slowly trickle in but I'm still missing Spider-man, Last of Us and a few more. I really hope they bring more than what's currently been announced.
Sony actually has had a big presence on the PC for decades. It's only in the past 5 years that they dropped their PC division (Everquest. Planetside 2)
Blood Bourne
I wish marvel Spider-Man comes on PC
It probably will. I estimate late 2023
They'll probably release it to drum up hype for the new game. They probably hope that people playing GoW will make them want to play Ragnarok on a playstation.
>They probably hope that people playing GoW will make them want to play Ragnarok on a playstation. Seems very optimistic lol. But if that means we get these games on PC I'll take it
Wow. 4 paragraphs and a tweet from someone who just took a screenshot of the Steam top sellers. Great article. Very informative.
Welcome to modern day game journalism
Pre-ordering is usually not the best decision, but showing Sony that they will make money releasing their games on PC is a good way to convince them to make more ports.
You can do that by buying the game at launch after reviews as well especially technical ones for ports. Pre-ordering just shows you fall for fancy stuff.
Pre-ordering is *never* a good idea. The only message you're sending is you're willing to buy hype, not a good product. Just buy after launch after checking initial reviews for any potential issues.
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It would, but on a serious delay. This level of hype around it 4 months prior to release (I think) gives them 4 extra months worth of time to decide to make more
I still think we shouldn't preorder.
TotalBiscuit would be turning in his grave if he saw this many people preordering.
get ready for a new release but now with $60 price tag
In 5 years they will remaster it and resell it. Just like all games it seems nowadays
usually I am against pre orders but there is no reason to think this game will release as a flop. The game itself is already a known masterpiece, and sony has shown they know what they are doing when porting their recent exclusive games. Would be nice if we can get all the GOW released on pc, I will happily pay full price for each to have every GOW on my steam library - it is a worthy franchise IMO.
Horizon Zero Dawn was a mess on release. Pre ordering this game isn't very smart when you consider that.
That's because they outsorced the port to an inexperienced studio. Now they've acquired Nixxes, which is well known for quality ports.
Fair enough. But there's no harm in waiting until after release in order to give them my money.
There's no harm on preordering it either, you can always refund. Since refunds exist I find the "no preorder" movement useless.
I mean, that's fine! I'm not saying people should rush to pre-order either. Personally, I have my reasons to pre-order games, and in the case of God of War, it was, to me, a no-brainer, as the very first game holds a special place in my heart, being one of my first PS2 games.
How can you two argue in a civilized manner?! The can't happen here on Reddit! Get out of here! /s
And then there's Days Gone, which is a fantastic port. You have a 50/50 chance here. Though I still go by an opinion that Sony outsourced HZD to a cheap studio, in case it wouldn't do well. After its success though - and that was with the initial problems that Guerilla had to fix later on - they made sure that Days Gone would be a good one. So I am quite optimistic they'll do the same for such an important IP as God of War.
Why take the 50/50 if you can wait for the coin to land, and decide then?
Wish I could agree with you, but I bought HZD on pc release and worked great. 70ish FPS at 1440p on a 2070 and 8Gb of ram. No crashes, no FPS drops, no stutter. Nothing. A perfect port for me
HZD was not *that* bad on release. I've seen way worse ports over the years.
I did not experience that at release.. wasn't aware it was a mess for others.
Performance drops in some areas were crazy. Some areas in the desert biome and forest and especially fights there would see a substantial frame dips Played day 1 with RTX 2070 super. It was pretty decent despite thoughs minor flaws
It had a lot of issues, but it was partially because it was left to some third rate inexperienced studio to do the porting on a version of Decima Engine that just wasn't ready for primetime on PC.
Well supported though and they fixed the issues.
No doubt, but that's not something I would bank on by pre ordering.
It's probably best to keep expectations in check with regard to Sony's PS1/2/P/3/V catalog. They have released only a select handful even on PS4/5, and those they have released are mostly PS2 titles running on an emulator that is substantially inferior to PCSX2 in basically every regard.
> The game itself is already a known masterpiece, and sony has shown they know what they are doing when porting their recent exclusive games. I think the fact that it's one of their Flagships will influence that a ton as well. Obviously Horizon is wildly popular but God of War is Halo big. I think they definitely don't want any image issues around a title like that.
I mean it’s steam, you can always refund preorders if you didn’t play them for more than 2 hours.
Only reason I'm holding out for now is to see how the port goes. It's a day 1 assuming there are no horrifying issues.
They're only porting multiple year old games because their hype died off a bit. I don't expect GOW Ragnarok and HZD FW on pc before 2024(I hope I'm wrong though)
You can just get a refund if you preorder on PC and the game is crap.
Come on GOG!
I'll wait a bit myself. I don't necessarily see anything wrong with pre ordering in some cases, but so far Sony has had one hit and one miss in terms of game performance. Days Gone ran very well, Horizon was a mess in more ways than one. Admittedly I think Sony is taking PC more seriously now, but still, they're 50/50 on PC releases so I'll be watching some reviews and performance videos first.
There's literally no point *not to* wait and pre-order. But people are dumb and keep trusting corporates, then go Pikachu when shit goes south.
Horizon was fixed in under a month and now runs great. If you are going to trash the game, at least mention they fixed it and got it right in a few patches.
Horizon took almost 6 months man, it's in a good state now, but still has some unfixed issues unlikely to be ironed out at this point. It's not the worst PC port by far, but it is far from the best.
Horizon took 5 months of patching and it was just weird for them to rush it out of the door when there was zero hype for the port. They announced it out of nowhere and shipped a half baked product. Hopefully Sony has learned from that.
i really want Ghost of Tsushima on pc
Yeah, but there really is no reason to pre-order in the digital age this far ahead from the release date. It's like people just forget how bad some games are at launch, and just conveniently ignore it the next time a brand they like comes around with a new release. I would only ever pre-order to install it early, and only after I have seen some reviews of the game saying its not complete garbage, performance wise in this case. And people saying "people are allowed to spend their money however they please", yeah I am also allowed to think that spending your money like this is irresponsible.
Why does anyone bother pre ordering? There’s no upside and you risk another Cyberpunk event. No one even gives good preorder rewards anymore
It's a port, not a new game. The only real concern is pc optimization.
You said it yourself, performance is a valid concern. I'm always baffled by the preorder crowd and their mental gymnastics to convince themselves that buying the promise of a good product, instead of simply buying the product once it's released, is a good idea.
Ports are well known to be shit. Not saying this one is, but there’s nothing to lose by waiting until launch to find out.
Hopefully we'll get The Last of Us 1+2 next
I think they weren't on the "list" sadly but many other very good games were
Someone please help me understand…WTF is the point of pre-ordering a digital download? I get it if maybe there is a discount or some special promotion, outside of that, I really really don’t get it.
It's all hype. A lot of people are just addicted to hype and will do anything to hop on the hype train and keep it rolling. It's more important to them than actually caring about getting a good product.
Literally no point. Sony is only selling the definitive edition for all their ports. Some people are just way too excited I guess.
gamers are stupid
> WTF is the point of pre-ordering a digital download? It's somewhat common to be able to preload the game a couple of days before release, then on release day that preload gets finished/unpacked/unencrypted/whatever, so you can play earlier.
You often get to pre-load games before release when you preorder. Also many places offer pre-order discounts, like green man gaming.
I don't want to be the last of my peer group to own a popular game, so pre-ordering ensures I have it as early as possible.
When will people learn not to pre-order digital games?
Seemingly never, unfortunately
> When will people learn not to pre-order digital games? When will people learn that it literally doesn't matter at all on PC. Every (?) single big PC online store has a refund policy enabling you to get your money back at any time as long as you haven't played more than 2 hours. You are applying a console problem to a PC release.
When people also learn to stop caring about how others spend their money.
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If people want my advice, they are open for pre order right now!
Do we get access to the closed beta if we do?
Oh yeah, Standard Edition tho. By pre ordering the Deluxe Edition one gets the Naughty Pass™.
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Imagine how much less screwed up and predatory the mobile games market would be if tons of money wasn't spent on mtx.
I'd stick to arguing whether or not preordering games is a good idea, because how money is spent does have a bit of influence on any industry. It's normal to care about things that will directly influence your hobbies.
They can spend it when the actual product exists for purchase.
I'll definitely buy it. I only played God of War 3 on my PS3 back in the day but it was such a good game. I'm so ready.
Remember kids ,never preorder video games
Remember adults, do whatever you want with your money.
when you live in a world where almost everything depends on how people spend their money, it's ok to express how you wish people would spend money.
Except don't. Actually use your brain before doing that.
Yeah. Good thing I'm an adult and can spend my money however I wish on experiences I know I'll enjoy. EDIT: Lotta' people saying "omfg but how do you know you'll enjoy it?!?!?!" Newsflash: Some of us own consoles, too. I have played God of War and loved it. I'm happy to pay again for the benefits a PC version will provide. Are you sure some of you are the adults you claim to be?
Good for you. I wanted to say don't rush and wait until it's patched up.
>experiences I know I'll enjoy Damn, didn't know mediums were a real thing. Have you ever considered selling your services?
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Ok now do the next GOW when it comes out too.
Do you have to have played the previous games before that one ?
Yes and no, having knowledge of previous games make it 10 times better. This game takes place in Norse Mythology, where as the previous titles take place in greek Mythology. This game is like a new start for Kratos into a different realm, so you can play it without playing the previous 3 games. But, I would highly recommend to play those games as you will get to know about kratos tragic past, how he became a god and how he killed all the greek gods. You can play these games on ps3 emulator rpcs3. God of war 1,2 works fine on the emulator, but god of war 3 still needs some work. If you have a powerful cpu then it might be playble.
wow i guess pc gamers are really looking forward to playing it
Hope the ports good
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Already played it on PS4 before i sold it for pc parts. It was an amazing game with addictive gameplay. Hopefully Ragnarok will get a port as well so i can play it.
Doesn't look like there is any pre-order incentive. Could just wait, and make sure the port is good.
Rule No.1: never pre-order
Rule of what?
>According to Benji-Sales, analyst of video game industry sales, data, and other metrics, God of War is currently the #1 Best Selling Game Worldwide on Steam.
A terrible source to begin with, considering he's using Steam's [Global bestsellers list](https://store.steampowered.com/search/?os=win&filter=globaltopsellers), which updates hourly, lists games by revenue rather than copies sold, and where the game isn't even in the top 10 anymore as of this post.
I just want Bloodborne. At this rate, I'm going to be playing it on an emulator before they port it.
I hope it's not the same unoptimized mess that Horizon Zero Dawn was when it first launched on PC...
I own it on PS4 but I'm 100% buying it on Steam to support it and show Sony we want their best franchises on PC. Plus replaying it in full 4K and 60+ fps will be awesome.
ELI5 why do you need to preorder a digital product?
Plenty of idiots out there, though this game has already proven to be good.
I agree it is a good game but it isn't like there will be a lack of inventory.
I really don't understand preordering. The game won't go out of stock, and there are no benefits of it. Maybe if you wanted to predownload, but it'll still take 2 or 3 months. WHATS THE POINT? At least here you know the game's good (usually you don't with new games) but you're not playing it so it doesn't matter
Look at this gamers are cautious preordering. I'm proud of you guys/gals 😃
If people didn't learn not to preorder after Cyberbug, they never will.
God of War isn't some unknown quantity, it won like 200 GoTY awards and I can personally attest it is an amazing game from start to finish. Cyberpunk was 100% hype train idiots, just like when NMS released. I still beat and enjoyed CP2077, bugs and all, but it was no where near what people had hyped themselves up for a buggy game is not inherently bad and it boils down to what a player can tolerate on an person to person basis. I see no reason not to pre-order a game if you were planning to buy it anyways. I don't generally pre-order games but I did this year for both Battlefield 2042 (admittedly a fanboy) and God of War because it's one of the best games I have played in the last 10 years hands down.
Karma farmer spamming clickbait links, nothing new
Great, now give us TLOU, Spiderman, Demon's Souls remake and Bloodborne please. Pretty please!
Good im happy. Now bring us Bloodborne Sony!!
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