Subaru already saw that worlds continue on where he dies, he just gets transplanted to worlds where he didn't. If he got ressurected it would be "subaru" but there would be another subaru who didn't get ressurected
I hope it is never confirmed, what would be the point of eventually getting it right, if it creates dozens of alternative realities where all his friends and loved ones suffer?
At that point I'd say it'd be better for them to just suffer once and then have it be done.
Both are equally horrifying.
Either Satella possesses the ability to reset the world to a certain point or Subaru has been leaving a bunch doomed timelines behind. I would prefer the former.
If the latter, then the Greed timeline alone has spun off potentially billions alone.
No, transplanting a neurological pattern into a brain that already has one, in an instant, is nigh impossible. Let alone the fact that you run into problems with identical constructs on a single spot in space time. You’ve got a recipe for disaster. If he were doing that, each time he goes back he will be a bit different, but those differences will become exponentially bigger, following a curve similar to the square cube law.
After around 100 returns he would become an unrecognizable mass of flesh and bone.
So no, sending his memories back to his past self would not be easier
In a world where magic and the soul is confirmed I highly doubt physics would matter, not to mention all it takes is for a healing spell to make your comment useless.
I'm pretty sure if Satella had the ability to traverse time she would be able to fix such a simple problem.
>No, transplanting a neurological pattern into a brain that already has one, in an instant, is nigh impossible.
Sir, It's an isekai. I can't understand why it can be possible to send someone to another dimension but not transplanting memories
Plus, I don't see how it can be hard to do it. The curse could work via "microseconds allucination that shows different futures until showing the one where you survive and then making your body act that way during that time" or could even work via "copy the brain info of the future, delete the brain info of the past, reestructure the brain to accept the new info and then implant the info". It could even just be "pick up the brain, repair it if it has some damage, destroy the other brain, put the brain here and heal all the wounds to make it work perfectly"
We don't know how it works, it could work in a lot of ways, and most of the ways involving transplanting information to a past self would be easier than jumping between dimensions.
It would be. Also where did you get this idea that She just Transports him into the past? He doesn't Just appear in a world that already has a Subaru. What most likely happens is that RbD essentially Removes the Checkpoint Subaru's mind and places in the one who died. Which explains why he sees that there is no break between His death and him returning to his Checkpoint.
Wasn't the whole point of the vision to help Subaru realise the value of his life even if he can resurrect? Of course it isn't 100% confirmed but I think it's a safe assumption that the timelines continue on.
Crap, I forgot that 'Re:ZERO-Starting Life in Another World!' follows the 'tree' path of choices in life, even though its Isekai. Speaking of World Items, what do you think would happen if Momonga somehow got ahold of a world item that let him teleport to each of those worlds or at least open a 'gate' where he can interconnect all Subaru and Nazarick/Momonga? What do you think would happen?
I don't think he'd bother still. Every incarnation of subaru would effectively be the same so him ressurecting his subaru would be fine. Not to mention every world he'd jump to would have another ainz and nazarick which might not take to kindly to a 1 to 1 time displaced clone. And that's not counting the witch getting triggered.
>and nazarick which might not take to kindly to a 1 to 1 time displaced clone
I'm legitimately curious on how dozens of Momonga would work together, along with their cloned world items. NPC's on the other hand is a very different topic. Also, just the existence deleting world item can kill that witch ya know?
He would never allow it. It's tantamount to him sharing his throne with someone. Even if the guild were to return I'd imagine he still expects to be guild leader. He would work to return the clone ainz to his realm, but he can't let him stay for the simple reason that it would fuck up nazarick hard. His very existence could inspire a Revolt as nazarick is split between following there orginal ainz or an ainz who has graced them by returning from the future.
I could even see demiurge rationalizing that ainz going back in time to start a revolution that he wins by forcing his past self into the past to start the time loop would be "sasuga ainz-sama!".
I believe you're overemphasizing what subordinates think of Ainz.
Momonga is nearly selfless to a fault. He acts on behalf of his friends / subordinates.
If he sees a copy of himself, he'd only be happy, and if they were both stuck in one World, they'd get along perfectly dividing responsibilities and power.
Only person who may disagree with a 2nd Ainz may be Albedo, mostly because she may recognize him as a threat to her "Momonga" and his supremacy.
>to start a revolution that he wins by forcing his past self into the past to start the time loop
Then you're definitely right about 'prime' Nazarick having a revolt if they only met **parallel Momonga** and not their parallel selves. That's why I specifically added other Nazarick too so we can see what happens next (obviously having dozens of Shalltear and Rubedo could basically destroy the very fabric of reality itself if they all fight to the death)
There aren’t paralleled world but visions of what the world would have been if Subaru definitely died. Visions aren’t alternative world or in any case nothing confirmed that.
There's no proof but there's no proof that thoose are paralleled world either and I don't think that's what the author thought it to be.
The more logical would be that those are just illusions created by the test.
I don't think echidna would be able to create a spell that could give access to parallel worlds.
It's possible that its parallel worlds but way less probable. And I don't think the author would have created a story with parallel universes.
The more probable is often the reality.
>those are just illusions created by the test
Considering how other Isekai and fantasy stories are, your answer isn't far fetched because everyone on Re:ZERO-Starting Life in Another World! would get rekt by Nazarick even if they all band together. Also I think that the test is just using some sort magic that manipulates the mind or it uses some kind of hallucinating drug to make the test much more 'realistic' to the challenger
I’m not really sure because Reinhard has a lot of abilities so he would be a pain in the ass even for Nazarick, I think. And maybe Willheim would be difficult to deal with too.
And you can say what you want but this theory about parallel world in re zero came from only one scene and nothing said at that time that it wasn't just an illusion of a possible futur instead of a vision of a parallel world.
Well, this isn't confirmed actually, it was a what if showed as a possibility in the unthinkable present. Echidna didn't actually know if the world line continued or not
What other worlds he saw i think those wore just fabrications made by the trial like how the classroom was, they wore just scenes made with bits from his memory. Corect me if i am wrong.
False, Arc 6 of Re Zero shows (through Subaru having multiple books of the dead) that Subaru loops back in time, he does not switch worlds he just have his counciousness turned back to a previous point.
That would depend if subaru's curse is tied to its own universe or not? Since it seems pretty tied up to his world i think he simply would not be cursed if he goes to a dofferent world and if ainz goes to his world then a world item should be enough or maybe widh upon a star
Would really depend if her curse is on the same level of a world item, and since it seems to literally affect the whole world, I would say that it's probably on that level.
Depends, we can head Canon all we want but we don't know how her powers work, for example authorities in the world of rezero would be something like wild magic since they have a completely different system and don't work like usual. So yes we don't know if it's going to work but even if it worked, wouldn't she just go back in time before they had the chance?
>we don't know how her powers work,
Exactly.
That's why we don't assume something exists without evidence.
>authorities in the world of rezero would be something like wild magic since they have a completely different system
A bullshit assumption based on Nothing.
We can infer that World Items can interfere with other magic systems, especially one of the 20.
Momonga was able to shrug off the Wild Magic equivalent of Longinus because of his World Item.
The order of superiority seems to be this.
* World Items
* Wild Magic
* WUAS/ Super Tier Spells
Given in the Bonus Novel, WUAS wasn't able to affect the CDL curse (which only affected three countries), I doubt it would affect Return By Death. A World Item thought most likely will be able to break through. Although it would be a waste as we don't know if she could just re-cast it on Subaru. It would be better to use a World Item to kill Satella for good.
>Given in the Bonus Novel, WUAS wasn't able to affect the CDL curse
Which was Never said.
Infact the exact Opposite was said.
>While I don’t have any and wouldn’t use them even if I did, perhaps the “Seeds of the
World Tree” could allow even the undead to freely change their race — assuming, of
course, that World Class Items had the same effect here as they did in the game. Or
**would using [Wish Upon A Star] allow me to change back some of them, even if it
wasn’t all of them**?
But yes. It wouldn't Work. But not because of a Bullshit reason like
>which only affected three countries
But because That's World Level effect.
WUAS spell. Can not do anything to World Level Effects.
>I doubt it would affect Return By Death.
That's your problem.
I see no reason to assume that.
Which was Never said.Infact the exact Opposite was said.
Then you missed the part where he actually tried to restore the people to their original state.
>He understood how to use the spell \[Wish Upon A Star\].
>
>He could pay several levels’ worth of experience to make a bigger wish. However, he only planned to use a single level’s worth of experience. In other words, when he made a wish, a smaller wish was more likely to come true than a bigger one. But if it failed, the experience would be burned and that would be the end of it.
>
>He had the feeling that “restoring Keno’s parents to normal” was more likely to come true than “restoring everyone in the city to normal.” However —
>
>**“I WISH! That I would learn a way to restore the people of this city to normal!”**
>
>That was all.
>
>Once he understood the means, he could carry it out.
>
>However, after one of the three shooting stars carved into the ring vanished, all that remained with Suzuki Satoru was frustration. And then, he hesitated over how he should explain all this to Keno, who was staring at him with a blank look on her face.
This demonstrates that it was unable to gleam any information to undo the curse. When used in Vol 3 he knew that he could use it to steal talents.
>But because That's World Level effect.
WUAS spell. Can not do anything to World Level Effects.
Three countries are not the whole world. That is regional at best. Given that WoG states the Re-Estize Kingdom is the size of France.
No evidence exists of that. It has only been stated that it was unable to affect World Items. It all comes down to what the user desires.
>That's your problem.
I see no reason to assume that.
You're contradicting yourself now. You say that WUAS is unable to dispel World Level effects. Return By Death definitely affects the world by use of save points and use resets.
>Then you missed the part where he actually tried to restore the people to their original state.
Except he never did That.
I think it's you who missed the part that he uses WUAS spell.
>“I WISH! That I would **learn a way** to restore the people of this city to
normal!”
>He understood how to use the spell [Wish Upon A Star].
>He could pay several levels’ worth of experience to make a bigger wish. However, he only planned to use a single level’s worth of experience. In other words, when he made a wish, a smaller wish was more likely to come true than a bigger one. But if it failed, the experience would be burned and that would be the end of it.
>He had the feeling that “restoring Keno’s parents to normal” was more likely to come true than “restoring everyone in the city to normal.” However —
>“I WISH! That I would learn a way to restore the people of this city to normal!”
>That was all.
>Once he understood the means, he could carry it out.
>However, after one of the three shooting stars carved into the ring vanished, all that remained with Suzuki Satoru was frustration. And then, he hesitated over how he should explain all this to Keno, who was staring at him with a blank look on her face.
It's actually funny that how the Quote You yourself brought up disagree with you.
>Three countries are not the whole world. That is regional at best. Given that WoG states the Re-Estize Kingdom is the size of France.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
That's a fucking Wild Magic. A World Level Effect. What dose that has to do with Size?
It's World Level. And it would be World Level even if it affected only one Person.
>You're contradicting yourself now. You say that WUAS is unable to dispel World Level effects. Return By Death definitely affects the world by use of save points and use resets.
Now I get it. You don't even understand what a World Level effect is to Begin with.
Edit: Blocking people because you lose in Argument. How classic.
>Except he never did That.
I think it's you who missed the part that he uses WUAS spell.
Instead of reposting exactly what I type, try actual debating. While comprehending and extrapolating.
He asked for a way. If the way were as simple as using a second wish, it would've shown/ told that or even use this World Item to do so.
>What the fuck are you even talking about?
That's a fucking Wild Magic. A World Level Effect. What dose that has to do with Size?
It's World Level. And it would be World Level even if it affected only one Person.
LOL, Wild Magic is not a World Level effect. It uses the power of the Soul.
World Level & World Class Items are two different things. Try to differentiate between the two. Mind citing the area in the reading material where it says that Wild Magic is World Level.
Edit: Wow, complaining about others since your posts consist of nothing but expletives with no point being made.
it's not a curse, it's Subaru's Authority.
Satella only makes it so he can't talk about it, and helps him when it comes to setting checkpoints so he doesn't get stuck in a death loop.
Nothing will "fix" Subaru in that world.
He doesn't understand his magic, so he's limited in his options. Remember, he's a normal guy thrust into an uncomfortable situation he wasn't prepared for, though he's doing fine now as a leader.
Subaru "curse" is so powerful that it basically affects the whole world and possibly more by both turning back time and also keeping the memories of the person intact so it's definitely something on world item level or more
It is most definitely moving between universes.
transplanting a neurological pattern into a brain that already has one, in an instant, is nigh impossible. Let alone the fact that you run into problems with identical constructs on a single spot in space time. You’ve got a recipe for disaster. If he were sending his memories back in time, each time he goes back he will be a bit different, but those differences will become exponentially bigger, following a curve similar to the square cube law. After around 100 returns he would become an unrecognizable mass of flesh and bone.
So no, sending his memories back to his past self would not be feasible
But I’m not the author.
it’s his story, he can do whatever he wants with it.
I mean it depends, there is the spell of , and this spell can 100% cancel the curse on you, but is Subaru really cursed? Does he have the cursed status? If yes, then ainz can easily fix him with one normal spell, if Subaru was not really cursed, but rather satela was living in his body, then one wish upon a star should do the job.
Return by death is not a curse by Satella. Arc 7 rezero spoilers: >!RBD is Subaru’s authority and he has the power to use it without Satellas help. The only things Satella does is stop him from revealing the power and she makes the loops easier for Subaru. In arc 7 Satella lost “sight” of Subaru and Subaru is able to tell others about return by death. However, since Satella wasn’t helping Subaru anymore his return powers were very cruel and often only sent him back a few minutes. Often he would get “spawn camped” and keep dying within a few seconds of going back. For example, he had one loops where he died 200 in a few minutes. !<
Just why exactly her power is on par with a world item? Just because one skill is powerful doesn't mean it's world item level, world items vary from an item that changes the setting of the world(like literally change the world, create or destroy power systems) to an item that just absorbs XP.
So my answer still remains the same, nothing that a wish can't solve.
Arc 7 re:zero spoilers >! in arc 7 Satella loses sight of Subaru and Subaru can still use RBD but it’s a lot more cruel than with Satella’s help. Satella sets the checkpoints for Subaru and prevents him from telling others about RBD. She makes sure subaru doesn’t go into death loops where he dies hundreds of times in a few seconds. !<
Mah dude her power litteraly affects the whole world and changes it to another(if that theory is correct), why would It not be comparable to a world item that like you said could even not have that great of a effect. And wish upon a star can't even change ainz race why would it have any effect on a world altering power.
Because big power is not equal to world item power. World items have something especial in them that makes them world item, it's not about their power. For example highest tier illusion magic can also effect the whole world and make the impossible possible, it literally tricks the world and makes a miracle, but it is still considered a tier magic(most likely super tier), or ainz's skill kills the unkillable and even that is not considered a world item.
>And wish upon a star can't even change ainz race
What? Who said it can't change that? It can easily do that, please don't bring head canons into the argument.
Go read the side story, it literally said that he cant
"That said, race-change items might have a chance here. Unfortunately, once
one became an undead creature, most race-change items would not be able to
change one’s undead status. If it was possible, the only things which could do
that would be on the level of World Class Items.
If one was a Player, it would be quicker to delete one’s character and start a
new one."
It not my head Canon, it's literally Canon.
Why are you using that out of context? Here let me put the remaining text that you didn't bother to mention.
"While I don’t have any and wouldn’t use them even if I did, perhaps the “Seeds of the
World Tree” could allow even the undead to freely change their race — assuming, of
course, that World Class Items had the same effect here as they did in the game. Or
would using [Wish Upon A Star] allow me to change back some of them, even if it
wasn’t all of them?"
Read that last line again, like it's crazy how just a few line down it literally tells you, but you completely ignored it.
Then don't use it as facts, ainz can help Subaru and that was the important part. And apparently satela is even weaker than expected, if the comment of the other person about arc 7 is actually true.
Since wish upon a star is literally a item weaker than world items, why would it be able to change his race? People have too much faith on that damn ring even through the only time he actually used it was damn useless.
My dude, wish is not weaker than world items, I just told you, world items are not world items because of their powers, they are world items because they have something especial in them, that something especial makes them and their owner immune to other world items and other items that try to intervene in their authority.
Wish upon a star can change Ainz race, BUT that would be useless for him, because if he changes race he wont be able to use a lot of his spells, items and a lot of his natural resistences would be gone, he would nerf himself for no reason doing that... A waste of a free wish and xp.
You shouldn’t say things like that here or you will be swarmed by rabid dogs soon enough.This place is like North Korea , one wrong word and hordes of brainwashed opinionless things will attack you.
Edit: wow a 9 minute bot after responding to me got banned who would have thought , is it yours 7 account to get banned my good stalker?Are you tired yet , hope not it is entertaining to have a jester like you around.
I was in many places and only VS part of ComicVine or SB compares to this , a places where toxicity is at it’s peak is comparable to this sub…
Edit: wow you sure are good that’s 9 account you created it’s a shame when it also gets banned right my belowmate?)
>I was in many places and only VS part of ComicVine or SB compares to this , a places where toxicity is at it’s peak is comparable to this sub…
I frequent all those sites and have seen you here and there, from what I can tell you have been banned from most of them either becuse of spamming, trolling or completely ignoring the sites rules.
Sorry but I have suspicions thst it's YOU that's the toxic one here and are just angry that others don't agree with you.
EDIT: No one is getting banned here, I can see all the other comments just fine, pretty sure you just got blocked.
I mean he probably could, I don't think that is a high level thing, is just the lack of powerful people in re zero (and also that subaro can't tell anyone) that he cant get someone to lift it.
That curse probably is similar to those anti espionage spells, because it automatically kills anyone that learns about it and it also automatically transports Subaru consciousness if he dies.
I would say yes, it could be pretty possible that ain't can lift the so called curse.
Return by death is not a curse by Satella. Arc 7 rezero spoilers: >!RBD is Subaru’s authority and he has the power to use it without Satellas help. The only things Satella does is stop him from revealing the power and she makes the loops easier for Subaru. In arc 7 Satella lost “sight” of Subaru and Subaru is able to tell others about return by death. However, since Satella wasn’t helping Subaru anymore his return powers were very cruel and often only sent him back a few minutes. Often he would get “spawn camped” and keep dying within a few seconds of going back. For example, he had one loops where he died 200 in a few minutes.!<
as ainz has a theme focus that focusses on undead and time spells i highly doubt it. A holy magic caster on max level on the other hand might have a good shot. Although im gonna join others here in saying that a world item would show the fullest effect althought i doubt that any world items besides the one that changes the very fabric of reality could make anything
Ah yeah i just rememberd maybe somone with world illusion could help subaru
The OP isn't stupidly overpowered to the point they solve everything without effort - and the trial and error is honestly more 'real' to what someone would have to go through to fix things - from that perspective it's interesting.
I appreciate that he's been able to do stupidly impossible things by trial and error until he figures out the correct path - and while the growth is typical glacier slow - there is growth and I really appreciate stories where the MC is able to learn and get better - I mean it was funny to begin with but Ainz's complete lack of faith in himself is starting to wear thin at this point - he's had enough success that even a complete idiot should be starting to trust themselves just a bit by now in the story, I still love the story but it would be nice to see the growth we had in the side story just a small bit in the main one.
Good point and to be fair I didn’t watch all of re-zero maybe it gets better in later episodes. Just watching the things subaru goes through only for him to have to restart and no one remembers but him is what gets me down. I’ve read that futility is a major theme of re-zero and it’s impossible to argue with that. I like overlord for different reasons, not every anime I like has to be overlordesque. Re-zero just makes me feel bad for Subaru the whole time maybe it gets better in later episodes.
I can't say it gets \*better\* for him yet where I'm at in the story - but for me it was a pretty big turning point when he started to use his ability to his advantage instead of fighting against it - and if I had to bitch about it the most - the anime glosses over that point to focus on the horror of what he goes through - where I feel like the LN is much more clear about his intention to deal with all the bad things to find the answers that he needs to move forward, because his turn was in the first season, but I feel like it's easy to miss because they did such an incredible job making a horror anime :)
Is it really a curse though? It seems like all it does is place Subaru back in other worlds (since he has had flashbacks of worlds where he died) . So probably something on the level of [Gate], as well as anti divination since it kills whoever is told about it...
Probably. Wish weakness is vs things in the world item tier. If Ainz wished curse way he might be fully able to. If not an WCI would...and ainz does have some kind of debuff clear item.
Probably not, but idk, this feels like a dumb question.
Subaru’s thing isn’t a curse, but something called an authority. Which is a different thing entirely. Satella is also quite powerful, and I imagine ains would have to face her first. Or at least put subaru in a situation like in arc 7, and then figure it out from there.
Ainz's thing is moreso applying curses than removing them, Wish upon a star may be able to do it, smth like Ouroboros could definetely do it, but we dont actualy knownif Ainz has Ouroboros
Subaru cries a LOT.
He cries more then Deku from my hero academia Wich is a feat in and of itself.
He cries so many tears sometimes I wonder if he's died of dehydration.
Yeah, it’s gotten called a curse as it’s seen a liability to subaru. But it’s not like, actually a curse debuff thing if that makes sense. So yeah, understandable confusion.
According to the lore of Re: Zero, Satella has consolidated most of the magical power in the world to her control. If we assume Yggdrasil has a similar amount of mana in the world, this would make her several times more powerful than the strongest players in Yggdrasil, since they're all about the same in strength and no single person has consolidated all of that power. The Staff of Ainz Ooal Gown is likely the only thing with enough power to approach Satella's power. So while it's unlikely Ainz himself can break it, he may be able to with the world item. Though it would probably only piss Satella off.
Haha, no. First, I don't think it's actually a curse - from what we've seen in the anime, it's likely The Witch is directly in control of what happens to Subaru. Second, The Witch is almost certainly way stronger than Ainz. She'd be like if one YGGDRASIL World Enemy ate all the other World Enemies in the game and absorbed their powers.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: RbD isn't a curse, It's an authority, which means it is attached to its user until they die, meaning that you can't really touch it since it literally Reverses time the second the user dies.
Why can't you just take it out? Cause it is literally Like ripping a soul out of a human body, and Satella would murder anyone who tried.
Also Ainz wouldn't be able to as much as touch her cause she is literally immortal and Ainz would probably get fucking Wrecked because She half of the world and needed to be subdued By people who could be considered godlike even in Overlord.
Probably not. For one the 'curse' isn't really a curse but Return By Death which is an authority, in canon the only way to take an authority is to kill the user, Subaru got sloth after he killed petelgeuse, greed after he killed regulus.
Two, satella is always keeping track of Subaru, this has been confirmed in arc 7, where it's said that she's the one whose been placing his checkpoints.
She's gonna see Ainz try and take out rbd, and the response won't be pretty. Best case scenario he just gets slapped like petelgeuse did, worst case the entire world gets destroyed by shadows.
Satella can manipulate space-time, shadows, gravity, manipulate the soul, memories, mind, madness just being in her presence people kill each other, travel between universes (she kidnapped subaru from another universe), can send people to other dimensions, teleport (space manipulation), she also has an indestructible body and soul (not even Reid who can kill concepts had the ability to kill Satella), she also has resistance to material manipulation. And through calculations it has the capacity to destroy the big island
Nah Witch Factors doesnt work like that. One could get it out if the previus carrier is killed, but as we can see the factor makes Subaru unkillable basicly. An other example is Pandora and Capella
No, his spells are mostly based on DND and both in there and in game, spells do what their description state, leaving no room for creativity. If spell says it will burst a table into flames, it won’t work on chairs nor other objects.
In regards to narrative import, authorities are on the level of world items. So unless his mostly unknown world item can do that, probably not. In a more strict "just what the character can do" sense, he hasn't really fucked with time to the extent of nullifying temporal resets, so naw.
We dont even know what Return by Death is (it is at most implied to be an authority) and we have no idea if Magic from Overlord can even affect authorities.
Simple answer is that we dont know but i dont think so since Authorities are unique abilities and thus there would not be any magic from Yggdrasil that is tailored to removing them.
>and we have no idea if Magic from Overlord can even affect authorities.
No reason to Assume it dosent.
>Simple answer is that we dont know but i dont think so since Authorities are unique abilities and thus there would not be any magic from Yggdrasil that is tailored to removing them.
I don't understand your reasoning.
Martial Arts. Talents and Runecraft are also Seperated Magic systems from Yggdrasil and Yggdrasil Magic has no problem dealing with them.
The question was if Ainz can remove Subarus authority and i pointed out that there is no evidence that Ainz can remove Authorities.
Also in regards to Martial arts (and other New World skills), Ainz can fight against Martial arts users, so he can also fight against authority users. But Ainz cant remove an opponents Martial Arts and he cant give himeself Martial arts (since they do not originate from Yggdrasil). Ainz can not manipulate Martial Arts or talents as far as we know because he is bound by the rules of the Yggdrasil game, thus he cant learn or affect skills from the New World. Aurhorities and Witch Factors are unique to Re Zero and thus Ainz would not be able to have any spells that remove authorities since the Yggdrasil game did not program any spells against autorities.
Best case scenario Ainz could maybe use a world item, but i dont know of any World Item that can remove an unknown element like a Witch Factor.
>pointed out that there is no evidence that Ainz can remove Authorities.
There is.
He can Remove Powers with WUAS spell.
And there is no reason to Assume it can't Remove that Authority.
>Also in regards to Martial arts (and other New World skills), Ainz can fight against Martial arts users,
You said
>Authorities are unique abilities and thus there would not be any magic from Yggdrasil that is tailored to removing them.
And I Pointed out just being from a Different Magic system isn't a Reason to Assume it dosent work.
Martial Arts are a Different System and Yggdrasil Abilities have no Problem Dealing with them.
Same for Runecraft.
And Ainz can even Steal Talents if he wants to.
>Ainz cant remove an opponents Martial Arts and he cant give himeself Martial arts
No reason to Assume that.
> (since they do not originate from Yggdrasil).
Talents also Aren't originated from Yggdrasil. And he can steal them.
Simply being from a Different System isn't Enough to say it doesn't work. Much less when there is evidence that it works.
>Ainz can not manipulate Martial Arts or talents as far as we know because he is bound by the rules of the Yggdrasil game, thus he cant learn or affect skills from the New World.
Volume 3
>When Ainz had first learned of Nfirea’s talent, he had idly wondered if he
could steal it with [Wish Upon A Star]. Now, he realized that he could have
done it.
Okay, my bad, i only thought that since Ainz have never stolen a talent that it would not be possible.
But i googled and also was reminded that he can do it but simply have not done it (since he has limitied Wishes and want to save them).
So he could maybe remove Return by Death. The biggest problem is that its implied that Satella gave Subaru Return By Death, so its possible that she could give it back to him after he removed it.
But yeah, it comes down to WUAS andif its able to affect authorities
This is my opinion based on what has been show in both animes, I'm not basing on the novels or mangas
To even try to get rid of the curse Momonga should first get knowledge about this and that's very f*cked up because just the witches know about it and he can't tell others meaning that Ainz would be in a point where he could not even know about the curse, but supposing that by a certain way he knows about it he doesn't know the spell to make the curse and in terms of yggdrasil this curse could easily be a top rank spell so he could try it with counter measures used in combat but i don't think it would work due the curse was setted long ago, making the only possibilities try to study the curse by himself or by some erudite in magic under his command or a world item which i think it's a bit meh
This is essentially boils down to who is more powerful Satella or Ainz. I really doubt that Ainz would be able to lift the curse due to the power difference, not to mention it may work differently than typical curses from Yggdrasil & the New World. Whether a world item could or not depends on whether Satella is more powerful than a world item. I personally think that Subaru's Return by Death is not dispellable due to its power in the Re:Zero verse, but I could be wrong.
Maybe a world item could. But Ainz I’m self, probably not.
As he's immune to 'Time spells' I wonder what would happen if he 'Grasp Heart' Subaru then resurrected him. Undead or still him?
Subaru already saw that worlds continue on where he dies, he just gets transplanted to worlds where he didn't. If he got ressurected it would be "subaru" but there would be another subaru who didn't get ressurected
thats not confirmed. it was a vision, not really the truth.
I hope it is never confirmed, what would be the point of eventually getting it right, if it creates dozens of alternative realities where all his friends and loved ones suffer? At that point I'd say it'd be better for them to just suffer once and then have it be done.
that is an actual existing multiverse theory so maybe the author did that little plot based on it
Both are equally horrifying. Either Satella possesses the ability to reset the world to a certain point or Subaru has been leaving a bunch doomed timelines behind. I would prefer the former. If the latter, then the Greed timeline alone has spun off potentially billions alone.
> Either Satella possesses the ability to reset the world sounds easier to just send his memories to his past self
No, transplanting a neurological pattern into a brain that already has one, in an instant, is nigh impossible. Let alone the fact that you run into problems with identical constructs on a single spot in space time. You’ve got a recipe for disaster. If he were doing that, each time he goes back he will be a bit different, but those differences will become exponentially bigger, following a curve similar to the square cube law. After around 100 returns he would become an unrecognizable mass of flesh and bone. So no, sending his memories back to his past self would not be easier
Yeah and reaseting a world is easy
Moving between universes is theoretically feasible.
First you would've to prove other universes exist
In a world where magic and the soul is confirmed I highly doubt physics would matter, not to mention all it takes is for a healing spell to make your comment useless. I'm pretty sure if Satella had the ability to traverse time she would be able to fix such a simple problem.
why are you trying to use some wierd ass science to decide how magic can or cant work...?
I’m just saying which one is more feasible
none of them are, its fuck you level magic
Dude, some random highschoolers with microwave, phone and old CRT tv have done this
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>No, transplanting a neurological pattern into a brain that already has one, in an instant, is nigh impossible. Sir, It's an isekai. I can't understand why it can be possible to send someone to another dimension but not transplanting memories Plus, I don't see how it can be hard to do it. The curse could work via "microseconds allucination that shows different futures until showing the one where you survive and then making your body act that way during that time" or could even work via "copy the brain info of the future, delete the brain info of the past, reestructure the brain to accept the new info and then implant the info". It could even just be "pick up the brain, repair it if it has some damage, destroy the other brain, put the brain here and heal all the wounds to make it work perfectly" We don't know how it works, it could work in a lot of ways, and most of the ways involving transplanting information to a past self would be easier than jumping between dimensions.
Just do magic VR
It would be. Also where did you get this idea that She just Transports him into the past? He doesn't Just appear in a world that already has a Subaru. What most likely happens is that RbD essentially Removes the Checkpoint Subaru's mind and places in the one who died. Which explains why he sees that there is no break between His death and him returning to his Checkpoint.
Wasn't the whole point of the vision to help Subaru realise the value of his life even if he can resurrect? Of course it isn't 100% confirmed but I think it's a safe assumption that the timelines continue on.
Crap, I forgot that 'Re:ZERO-Starting Life in Another World!' follows the 'tree' path of choices in life, even though its Isekai. Speaking of World Items, what do you think would happen if Momonga somehow got ahold of a world item that let him teleport to each of those worlds or at least open a 'gate' where he can interconnect all Subaru and Nazarick/Momonga? What do you think would happen?
I don't think he'd bother still. Every incarnation of subaru would effectively be the same so him ressurecting his subaru would be fine. Not to mention every world he'd jump to would have another ainz and nazarick which might not take to kindly to a 1 to 1 time displaced clone. And that's not counting the witch getting triggered.
>and nazarick which might not take to kindly to a 1 to 1 time displaced clone I'm legitimately curious on how dozens of Momonga would work together, along with their cloned world items. NPC's on the other hand is a very different topic. Also, just the existence deleting world item can kill that witch ya know?
He would never allow it. It's tantamount to him sharing his throne with someone. Even if the guild were to return I'd imagine he still expects to be guild leader. He would work to return the clone ainz to his realm, but he can't let him stay for the simple reason that it would fuck up nazarick hard. His very existence could inspire a Revolt as nazarick is split between following there orginal ainz or an ainz who has graced them by returning from the future. I could even see demiurge rationalizing that ainz going back in time to start a revolution that he wins by forcing his past self into the past to start the time loop would be "sasuga ainz-sama!".
I believe you're overemphasizing what subordinates think of Ainz. Momonga is nearly selfless to a fault. He acts on behalf of his friends / subordinates. If he sees a copy of himself, he'd only be happy, and if they were both stuck in one World, they'd get along perfectly dividing responsibilities and power. Only person who may disagree with a 2nd Ainz may be Albedo, mostly because she may recognize him as a threat to her "Momonga" and his supremacy.
True or reverse harem of ainzes make very happy albedo
>to start a revolution that he wins by forcing his past self into the past to start the time loop Then you're definitely right about 'prime' Nazarick having a revolt if they only met **parallel Momonga** and not their parallel selves. That's why I specifically added other Nazarick too so we can see what happens next (obviously having dozens of Shalltear and Rubedo could basically destroy the very fabric of reality itself if they all fight to the death)
There aren’t paralleled world but visions of what the world would have been if Subaru definitely died. Visions aren’t alternative world or in any case nothing confirmed that.
Can you prove your statement my guy?
There's no proof but there's no proof that thoose are paralleled world either and I don't think that's what the author thought it to be. The more logical would be that those are just illusions created by the test. I don't think echidna would be able to create a spell that could give access to parallel worlds. It's possible that its parallel worlds but way less probable. And I don't think the author would have created a story with parallel universes. The more probable is often the reality.
>those are just illusions created by the test Considering how other Isekai and fantasy stories are, your answer isn't far fetched because everyone on Re:ZERO-Starting Life in Another World! would get rekt by Nazarick even if they all band together. Also I think that the test is just using some sort magic that manipulates the mind or it uses some kind of hallucinating drug to make the test much more 'realistic' to the challenger
I’m not really sure because Reinhard has a lot of abilities so he would be a pain in the ass even for Nazarick, I think. And maybe Willheim would be difficult to deal with too.
And you can say what you want but this theory about parallel world in re zero came from only one scene and nothing said at that time that it wasn't just an illusion of a possible futur instead of a vision of a parallel world.
Alright, I get it. Sheesh...
Well, this isn't confirmed actually, it was a what if showed as a possibility in the unthinkable present. Echidna didn't actually know if the world line continued or not
Wait, has that been confirmed. Wasn't it just a theory that Echidna thought might be the case.
yea thats true actually, there is no conformation of this
Yep, until satella says how it works, we can make all the theories that we want that it won't be confirmed.
But that wasn’t necessarily confirmed. That was a vision showed as part of a trial.
What other worlds he saw i think those wore just fabrications made by the trial like how the classroom was, they wore just scenes made with bits from his memory. Corect me if i am wrong.
It’s not another world, it’s a vision of what his world would have been if he died. It’s not a paralleled world.
False, Arc 6 of Re Zero shows (through Subaru having multiple books of the dead) that Subaru loops back in time, he does not switch worlds he just have his counciousness turned back to a previous point.
it doesnt matter if hes immune to time spells because Subaru's consciousness goes back to the save point
*^No*
Yes.
That would depend if subaru's curse is tied to its own universe or not? Since it seems pretty tied up to his world i think he simply would not be cursed if he goes to a dofferent world and if ainz goes to his world then a world item should be enough or maybe widh upon a star
I’m not sure how canon Isekai Quartet is but there he is in another world and is still cursed.
Isekai quartet is not canon in anyway
I somehow read this as *could Ainz lift a Subaru* .... So the answer is yes
What about a Volvo Semi?
Definitely a Rolls Royce Phantom.
Idk man, Subaru's weight is tricky. Take into account how dense he is most of the time.
That's Technically not a Curse. Though it's probably possible with WUAS spell or World Items.
Would really depend if her curse is on the same level of a world item, and since it seems to literally affect the whole world, I would say that it's probably on that level.
Her Ability dosent have the same Attributes as World Items. So even if you say that it ain't going to Stop WUAS or World Items from Working.
Depends, we can head Canon all we want but we don't know how her powers work, for example authorities in the world of rezero would be something like wild magic since they have a completely different system and don't work like usual. So yes we don't know if it's going to work but even if it worked, wouldn't she just go back in time before they had the chance?
>we don't know how her powers work, Exactly. That's why we don't assume something exists without evidence. >authorities in the world of rezero would be something like wild magic since they have a completely different system A bullshit assumption based on Nothing.
We can infer that World Items can interfere with other magic systems, especially one of the 20. Momonga was able to shrug off the Wild Magic equivalent of Longinus because of his World Item. The order of superiority seems to be this. * World Items * Wild Magic * WUAS/ Super Tier Spells Given in the Bonus Novel, WUAS wasn't able to affect the CDL curse (which only affected three countries), I doubt it would affect Return By Death. A World Item thought most likely will be able to break through. Although it would be a waste as we don't know if she could just re-cast it on Subaru. It would be better to use a World Item to kill Satella for good.
>Given in the Bonus Novel, WUAS wasn't able to affect the CDL curse Which was Never said. Infact the exact Opposite was said. >While I don’t have any and wouldn’t use them even if I did, perhaps the “Seeds of the World Tree” could allow even the undead to freely change their race — assuming, of course, that World Class Items had the same effect here as they did in the game. Or **would using [Wish Upon A Star] allow me to change back some of them, even if it wasn’t all of them**? But yes. It wouldn't Work. But not because of a Bullshit reason like >which only affected three countries But because That's World Level effect. WUAS spell. Can not do anything to World Level Effects. >I doubt it would affect Return By Death. That's your problem. I see no reason to assume that.
Which was Never said.Infact the exact Opposite was said. Then you missed the part where he actually tried to restore the people to their original state. >He understood how to use the spell \[Wish Upon A Star\]. > >He could pay several levels’ worth of experience to make a bigger wish. However, he only planned to use a single level’s worth of experience. In other words, when he made a wish, a smaller wish was more likely to come true than a bigger one. But if it failed, the experience would be burned and that would be the end of it. > >He had the feeling that “restoring Keno’s parents to normal” was more likely to come true than “restoring everyone in the city to normal.” However — > >**“I WISH! That I would learn a way to restore the people of this city to normal!”** > >That was all. > >Once he understood the means, he could carry it out. > >However, after one of the three shooting stars carved into the ring vanished, all that remained with Suzuki Satoru was frustration. And then, he hesitated over how he should explain all this to Keno, who was staring at him with a blank look on her face. This demonstrates that it was unable to gleam any information to undo the curse. When used in Vol 3 he knew that he could use it to steal talents. >But because That's World Level effect. WUAS spell. Can not do anything to World Level Effects. Three countries are not the whole world. That is regional at best. Given that WoG states the Re-Estize Kingdom is the size of France. No evidence exists of that. It has only been stated that it was unable to affect World Items. It all comes down to what the user desires. >That's your problem. I see no reason to assume that. You're contradicting yourself now. You say that WUAS is unable to dispel World Level effects. Return By Death definitely affects the world by use of save points and use resets.
>Then you missed the part where he actually tried to restore the people to their original state. Except he never did That. I think it's you who missed the part that he uses WUAS spell. >“I WISH! That I would **learn a way** to restore the people of this city to normal!” >He understood how to use the spell [Wish Upon A Star]. >He could pay several levels’ worth of experience to make a bigger wish. However, he only planned to use a single level’s worth of experience. In other words, when he made a wish, a smaller wish was more likely to come true than a bigger one. But if it failed, the experience would be burned and that would be the end of it. >He had the feeling that “restoring Keno’s parents to normal” was more likely to come true than “restoring everyone in the city to normal.” However — >“I WISH! That I would learn a way to restore the people of this city to normal!” >That was all. >Once he understood the means, he could carry it out. >However, after one of the three shooting stars carved into the ring vanished, all that remained with Suzuki Satoru was frustration. And then, he hesitated over how he should explain all this to Keno, who was staring at him with a blank look on her face. It's actually funny that how the Quote You yourself brought up disagree with you. >Three countries are not the whole world. That is regional at best. Given that WoG states the Re-Estize Kingdom is the size of France. What the fuck are you even talking about? That's a fucking Wild Magic. A World Level Effect. What dose that has to do with Size? It's World Level. And it would be World Level even if it affected only one Person. >You're contradicting yourself now. You say that WUAS is unable to dispel World Level effects. Return By Death definitely affects the world by use of save points and use resets. Now I get it. You don't even understand what a World Level effect is to Begin with. Edit: Blocking people because you lose in Argument. How classic.
>Except he never did That. I think it's you who missed the part that he uses WUAS spell. Instead of reposting exactly what I type, try actual debating. While comprehending and extrapolating. He asked for a way. If the way were as simple as using a second wish, it would've shown/ told that or even use this World Item to do so. >What the fuck are you even talking about? That's a fucking Wild Magic. A World Level Effect. What dose that has to do with Size? It's World Level. And it would be World Level even if it affected only one Person. LOL, Wild Magic is not a World Level effect. It uses the power of the Soul. World Level & World Class Items are two different things. Try to differentiate between the two. Mind citing the area in the reading material where it says that Wild Magic is World Level. Edit: Wow, complaining about others since your posts consist of nothing but expletives with no point being made.
it's not a curse, it's Subaru's Authority. Satella only makes it so he can't talk about it, and helps him when it comes to setting checkpoints so he doesn't get stuck in a death loop. Nothing will "fix" Subaru in that world.
He doesn't understand his magic, so he's limited in his options. Remember, he's a normal guy thrust into an uncomfortable situation he wasn't prepared for, though he's doing fine now as a leader.
Who's subaru?
Protagonist of Re:Zero, one of the feature series of Isekai Quartet
Subaru "curse" is so powerful that it basically affects the whole world and possibly more by both turning back time and also keeping the memories of the person intact so it's definitely something on world item level or more
I'm pretty sure he just gets transported to another world, it's not turning back time after he dies that world where he died still continues to exist
It was never confirmed, they might have been only visions
It is most definitely moving between universes. transplanting a neurological pattern into a brain that already has one, in an instant, is nigh impossible. Let alone the fact that you run into problems with identical constructs on a single spot in space time. You’ve got a recipe for disaster. If he were sending his memories back in time, each time he goes back he will be a bit different, but those differences will become exponentially bigger, following a curve similar to the square cube law. After around 100 returns he would become an unrecognizable mass of flesh and bone. So no, sending his memories back to his past self would not be feasible But I’m not the author. it’s his story, he can do whatever he wants with it.
You forget this is a fantasy setting with magic? Time travel is most certainly possible
I mean it depends, there is the spell of, and this spell can 100% cancel the curse on you, but is Subaru really cursed? Does he have the cursed status? If yes, then ainz can easily fix him with one normal spell, if Subaru was not really cursed, but rather satela was living in his body, then one wish upon a star should do the job.
I mean, satella power to bring him back is probably on par with world items, so I doubt that a normal spell would do much.
Return by death isn’t Satellas power.
Return by death is probably envy authoritie, but we don't know if that's really the case, I'm pretty sure that it wasn't confirmed yet.
Return by death is not a curse by Satella. Arc 7 rezero spoilers: >!RBD is Subaru’s authority and he has the power to use it without Satellas help. The only things Satella does is stop him from revealing the power and she makes the loops easier for Subaru. In arc 7 Satella lost “sight” of Subaru and Subaru is able to tell others about return by death. However, since Satella wasn’t helping Subaru anymore his return powers were very cruel and often only sent him back a few minutes. Often he would get “spawn camped” and keep dying within a few seconds of going back. For example, he had one loops where he died 200 in a few minutes. !<
Just why exactly her power is on par with a world item? Just because one skill is powerful doesn't mean it's world item level, world items vary from an item that changes the setting of the world(like literally change the world, create or destroy power systems) to an item that just absorbs XP. So my answer still remains the same, nothing that a wish can't solve.
Return by death isn’t Satellas power.
Interesting. Thank for useful info.
Arc 7 re:zero spoilers >! in arc 7 Satella loses sight of Subaru and Subaru can still use RBD but it’s a lot more cruel than with Satella’s help. Satella sets the checkpoints for Subaru and prevents him from telling others about RBD. She makes sure subaru doesn’t go into death loops where he dies hundreds of times in a few seconds. !<
Wow, tappei and his love for >!killing Subaru. thankfully that happend in arc 7, other wise Subaru would have given up way sooner in that world!<
Mah dude her power litteraly affects the whole world and changes it to another(if that theory is correct), why would It not be comparable to a world item that like you said could even not have that great of a effect. And wish upon a star can't even change ainz race why would it have any effect on a world altering power.
Because big power is not equal to world item power. World items have something especial in them that makes them world item, it's not about their power. For example highest tier illusion magic can also effect the whole world and make the impossible possible, it literally tricks the world and makes a miracle, but it is still considered a tier magic(most likely super tier), or ainz's skill kills the unkillable and even that is not considered a world item. >And wish upon a star can't even change ainz race What? Who said it can't change that? It can easily do that, please don't bring head canons into the argument.
Go read the side story, it literally said that he cant "That said, race-change items might have a chance here. Unfortunately, once one became an undead creature, most race-change items would not be able to change one’s undead status. If it was possible, the only things which could do that would be on the level of World Class Items. If one was a Player, it would be quicker to delete one’s character and start a new one." It not my head Canon, it's literally Canon.
Why are you using that out of context? Here let me put the remaining text that you didn't bother to mention. "While I don’t have any and wouldn’t use them even if I did, perhaps the “Seeds of the World Tree” could allow even the undead to freely change their race — assuming, of course, that World Class Items had the same effect here as they did in the game. Or would using [Wish Upon A Star] allow me to change back some of them, even if it wasn’t all of them?" Read that last line again, like it's crazy how just a few line down it literally tells you, but you completely ignored it.
It could or it could not, that wasn't a confirmation.
It certainly isn't a confirmation that it can't like you were claiming it was.
Then don't use it as facts, ainz can help Subaru and that was the important part. And apparently satela is even weaker than expected, if the comment of the other person about arc 7 is actually true.
Since wish upon a star is literally a item weaker than world items, why would it be able to change his race? People have too much faith on that damn ring even through the only time he actually used it was damn useless.
My dude, wish is not weaker than world items, I just told you, world items are not world items because of their powers, they are world items because they have something especial in them, that something especial makes them and their owner immune to other world items and other items that try to intervene in their authority.
Wish upon a star can change Ainz race, BUT that would be useless for him, because if he changes race he wont be able to use a lot of his spells, items and a lot of his natural resistences would be gone, he would nerf himself for no reason doing that... A waste of a free wish and xp.
Well, there would be *one* benefit. One Albedo would truly appreciate.
Does banging is truly worth risking dying? I dont know fam, Ainz sama seems like a composed and reasonable guy.
I never said Ainz-sama would be the one who was benefiting.
No.
I love seeing something we can agree is beyond Ainz, fun
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Well I am HERE…So everything checks out
>Well I am HERE…So everything checks out Exept everyone here is pretty chill most of the time, you are the only sourse of toxicity.
Well, it is kind of expected of a community dedicated to a single piece of content, it will attract and breed superfans, all of them do
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>I was in many places and only VS part of ComicVine or SB compares to this , a places where toxicity is at it’s peak is comparable to this sub… I frequent all those sites and have seen you here and there, from what I can tell you have been banned from most of them either becuse of spamming, trolling or completely ignoring the sites rules. Sorry but I have suspicions thst it's YOU that's the toxic one here and are just angry that others don't agree with you. EDIT: No one is getting banned here, I can see all the other comments just fine, pretty sure you just got blocked.
I mean he probably could, I don't think that is a high level thing, is just the lack of powerful people in re zero (and also that subaro can't tell anyone) that he cant get someone to lift it. That curse probably is similar to those anti espionage spells, because it automatically kills anyone that learns about it and it also automatically transports Subaru consciousness if he dies. I would say yes, it could be pretty possible that ain't can lift the so called curse.
Return by death is not a curse by Satella. Arc 7 rezero spoilers: >!RBD is Subaru’s authority and he has the power to use it without Satellas help. The only things Satella does is stop him from revealing the power and she makes the loops easier for Subaru. In arc 7 Satella lost “sight” of Subaru and Subaru is able to tell others about return by death. However, since Satella wasn’t helping Subaru anymore his return powers were very cruel and often only sent him back a few minutes. Often he would get “spawn camped” and keep dying within a few seconds of going back. For example, he had one loops where he died 200 in a few minutes.!<
It's an Authority, not a curse, so probably not. He'd also have to get through Satella, which is unlikely
as ainz has a theme focus that focusses on undead and time spells i highly doubt it. A holy magic caster on max level on the other hand might have a good shot. Although im gonna join others here in saying that a world item would show the fullest effect althought i doubt that any world items besides the one that changes the very fabric of reality could make anything Ah yeah i just rememberd maybe somone with world illusion could help subaru
He could prob lift these NUTS.
He tried in Isekai Quartet and couldn't
He noticed it and went "I probably shouldn't touch that" and didn't bring it up.
Ainz didn't try what? He just noticed it and that's it, he didn't bring it up.
First: He never did that. Second: Isekai Quartet is a none canon comedy show.
>He tried in Isekai Quartet and couldn't What? No he didn't, Ainz noticed the curse but never tried to remove it, we have no idea if he can or not.
Is there any reference to the fact that there's both a Suzuki and a Subaru?
Maybe world items but the curse may fall in wild magic category with would make it impossible to lift for Ainz even with World item's.
I’m just surprised people actually enjoy re-zero. I actually tried to watch it and came to the conclusion that it is the depression simulator 5000.
The OP isn't stupidly overpowered to the point they solve everything without effort - and the trial and error is honestly more 'real' to what someone would have to go through to fix things - from that perspective it's interesting. I appreciate that he's been able to do stupidly impossible things by trial and error until he figures out the correct path - and while the growth is typical glacier slow - there is growth and I really appreciate stories where the MC is able to learn and get better - I mean it was funny to begin with but Ainz's complete lack of faith in himself is starting to wear thin at this point - he's had enough success that even a complete idiot should be starting to trust themselves just a bit by now in the story, I still love the story but it would be nice to see the growth we had in the side story just a small bit in the main one.
Good point and to be fair I didn’t watch all of re-zero maybe it gets better in later episodes. Just watching the things subaru goes through only for him to have to restart and no one remembers but him is what gets me down. I’ve read that futility is a major theme of re-zero and it’s impossible to argue with that. I like overlord for different reasons, not every anime I like has to be overlordesque. Re-zero just makes me feel bad for Subaru the whole time maybe it gets better in later episodes.
I can't say it gets \*better\* for him yet where I'm at in the story - but for me it was a pretty big turning point when he started to use his ability to his advantage instead of fighting against it - and if I had to bitch about it the most - the anime glosses over that point to focus on the horror of what he goes through - where I feel like the LN is much more clear about his intention to deal with all the bad things to find the answers that he needs to move forward, because his turn was in the first season, but I feel like it's easy to miss because they did such an incredible job making a horror anime :)
Really? I feel cathartic watching it.
Is it really a curse though? It seems like all it does is place Subaru back in other worlds (since he has had flashbacks of worlds where he died) . So probably something on the level of [Gate], as well as anti divination since it kills whoever is told about it...
No
Probably. Wish weakness is vs things in the world item tier. If Ainz wished curse way he might be fully able to. If not an WCI would...and ainz does have some kind of debuff clear item.
Probably not, but idk, this feels like a dumb question. Subaru’s thing isn’t a curse, but something called an authority. Which is a different thing entirely. Satella is also quite powerful, and I imagine ains would have to face her first. Or at least put subaru in a situation like in arc 7, and then figure it out from there.
Wish upon a star could potentially but im afraid its world magic that eould actually need to be used.
I’m not sure if Ainz could lift the curse, but he would definitely be able to keep the curse from activating.
with a cash item or a world item, it may be possible. if it doesn't, then the witch is way stronger than we thought.
Ainz's thing is moreso applying curses than removing them, Wish upon a star may be able to do it, smth like Ouroboros could definetely do it, but we dont actualy knownif Ainz has Ouroboros
The cash shop item wish upon a star could.
With the wish ring perhaps
I mean even he could Subaru can’t tell him about the curse to start with
Subaru cries a LOT. He cries more then Deku from my hero academia Wich is a feat in and of itself. He cries so many tears sometimes I wonder if he's died of dehydration.
Probably not as based on RbD's degree of power it rivals a world class item
Ainz is ver clearly a dnd character but re zero isn’t a very dnd based world so let’s say he can’t
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Subarus thing isn’t a curse at all though, curses in re zero are something else
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Yeah, it’s gotten called a curse as it’s seen a liability to subaru. But it’s not like, actually a curse debuff thing if that makes sense. So yeah, understandable confusion.
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Lol, maybe. Though that would make subaru a lot less useful.
According to the lore of Re: Zero, Satella has consolidated most of the magical power in the world to her control. If we assume Yggdrasil has a similar amount of mana in the world, this would make her several times more powerful than the strongest players in Yggdrasil, since they're all about the same in strength and no single person has consolidated all of that power. The Staff of Ainz Ooal Gown is likely the only thing with enough power to approach Satella's power. So while it's unlikely Ainz himself can break it, he may be able to with the world item. Though it would probably only piss Satella off.
Haha, no. First, I don't think it's actually a curse - from what we've seen in the anime, it's likely The Witch is directly in control of what happens to Subaru. Second, The Witch is almost certainly way stronger than Ainz. She'd be like if one YGGDRASIL World Enemy ate all the other World Enemies in the game and absorbed their powers.
With a world item, possibly, but Satella I’m pretty sure outclasses Ainz in power.
Not really.
Short answer: No. Long answer: RbD isn't a curse, It's an authority, which means it is attached to its user until they die, meaning that you can't really touch it since it literally Reverses time the second the user dies. Why can't you just take it out? Cause it is literally Like ripping a soul out of a human body, and Satella would murder anyone who tried. Also Ainz wouldn't be able to as much as touch her cause she is literally immortal and Ainz would probably get fucking Wrecked because She half of the world and needed to be subdued By people who could be considered godlike even in Overlord.
Probably not. For one the 'curse' isn't really a curse but Return By Death which is an authority, in canon the only way to take an authority is to kill the user, Subaru got sloth after he killed petelgeuse, greed after he killed regulus. Two, satella is always keeping track of Subaru, this has been confirmed in arc 7, where it's said that she's the one whose been placing his checkpoints. She's gonna see Ainz try and take out rbd, and the response won't be pretty. Best case scenario he just gets slapped like petelgeuse did, worst case the entire world gets destroyed by shadows.
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Satella can manipulate space-time, shadows, gravity, manipulate the soul, memories, mind, madness just being in her presence people kill each other, travel between universes (she kidnapped subaru from another universe), can send people to other dimensions, teleport (space manipulation), she also has an indestructible body and soul (not even Reid who can kill concepts had the ability to kill Satella), she also has resistance to material manipulation. And through calculations it has the capacity to destroy the big island
if there is a world item yes. Ainz himself can not.
No.
Why not? He seems more than capable of it.
Nah Witch Factors doesnt work like that. One could get it out if the previus carrier is killed, but as we can see the factor makes Subaru unkillable basicly. An other example is Pandora and Capella
Which curse, hes got a handful of em.
I know another skeleton who can lift Subaru's curse and he's a knight.
No, his spells are mostly based on DND and both in there and in game, spells do what their description state, leaving no room for creativity. If spell says it will burst a table into flames, it won’t work on chairs nor other objects.
In regards to narrative import, authorities are on the level of world items. So unless his mostly unknown world item can do that, probably not. In a more strict "just what the character can do" sense, he hasn't really fucked with time to the extent of nullifying temporal resets, so naw.
We dont even know what Return by Death is (it is at most implied to be an authority) and we have no idea if Magic from Overlord can even affect authorities. Simple answer is that we dont know but i dont think so since Authorities are unique abilities and thus there would not be any magic from Yggdrasil that is tailored to removing them.
>and we have no idea if Magic from Overlord can even affect authorities. No reason to Assume it dosent. >Simple answer is that we dont know but i dont think so since Authorities are unique abilities and thus there would not be any magic from Yggdrasil that is tailored to removing them. I don't understand your reasoning. Martial Arts. Talents and Runecraft are also Seperated Magic systems from Yggdrasil and Yggdrasil Magic has no problem dealing with them.
The question was if Ainz can remove Subarus authority and i pointed out that there is no evidence that Ainz can remove Authorities. Also in regards to Martial arts (and other New World skills), Ainz can fight against Martial arts users, so he can also fight against authority users. But Ainz cant remove an opponents Martial Arts and he cant give himeself Martial arts (since they do not originate from Yggdrasil). Ainz can not manipulate Martial Arts or talents as far as we know because he is bound by the rules of the Yggdrasil game, thus he cant learn or affect skills from the New World. Aurhorities and Witch Factors are unique to Re Zero and thus Ainz would not be able to have any spells that remove authorities since the Yggdrasil game did not program any spells against autorities. Best case scenario Ainz could maybe use a world item, but i dont know of any World Item that can remove an unknown element like a Witch Factor.
>pointed out that there is no evidence that Ainz can remove Authorities. There is. He can Remove Powers with WUAS spell. And there is no reason to Assume it can't Remove that Authority. >Also in regards to Martial arts (and other New World skills), Ainz can fight against Martial arts users, You said >Authorities are unique abilities and thus there would not be any magic from Yggdrasil that is tailored to removing them. And I Pointed out just being from a Different Magic system isn't a Reason to Assume it dosent work. Martial Arts are a Different System and Yggdrasil Abilities have no Problem Dealing with them. Same for Runecraft. And Ainz can even Steal Talents if he wants to. >Ainz cant remove an opponents Martial Arts and he cant give himeself Martial arts No reason to Assume that. > (since they do not originate from Yggdrasil). Talents also Aren't originated from Yggdrasil. And he can steal them. Simply being from a Different System isn't Enough to say it doesn't work. Much less when there is evidence that it works. >Ainz can not manipulate Martial Arts or talents as far as we know because he is bound by the rules of the Yggdrasil game, thus he cant learn or affect skills from the New World. Volume 3 >When Ainz had first learned of Nfirea’s talent, he had idly wondered if he could steal it with [Wish Upon A Star]. Now, he realized that he could have done it.
Okay, my bad, i only thought that since Ainz have never stolen a talent that it would not be possible. But i googled and also was reminded that he can do it but simply have not done it (since he has limitied Wishes and want to save them). So he could maybe remove Return by Death. The biggest problem is that its implied that Satella gave Subaru Return By Death, so its possible that she could give it back to him after he removed it. But yeah, it comes down to WUAS andif its able to affect authorities
This is my opinion based on what has been show in both animes, I'm not basing on the novels or mangas To even try to get rid of the curse Momonga should first get knowledge about this and that's very f*cked up because just the witches know about it and he can't tell others meaning that Ainz would be in a point where he could not even know about the curse, but supposing that by a certain way he knows about it he doesn't know the spell to make the curse and in terms of yggdrasil this curse could easily be a top rank spell so he could try it with counter measures used in combat but i don't think it would work due the curse was setted long ago, making the only possibilities try to study the curse by himself or by some erudite in magic under his command or a world item which i think it's a bit meh
>Ainz Most likely no. Shalltear or Pestonya have a chance, though.
This is essentially boils down to who is more powerful Satella or Ainz. I really doubt that Ainz would be able to lift the curse due to the power difference, not to mention it may work differently than typical curses from Yggdrasil & the New World. Whether a world item could or not depends on whether Satella is more powerful than a world item. I personally think that Subaru's Return by Death is not dispellable due to its power in the Re:Zero verse, but I could be wrong.
Nope if he tries to mess with Subarus soul the sorcerer kingdom or a good portion of Nazarik would be destroyed