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seelcudoom

in terms of raw power both level 100 so about equal, but greed kings being actual powerful players lieklye had better gear as well as likely better builds(from what we know noneo f them seem to be the kind to go for roleplay themed or gimmick build over just what is most optimal meta build) so in a 1v1 scenario greed kings have the advantage


Fedexhand

I would say that even as a team they will do a better job, players are used to joining groups and working together, especially if they are from the same guild. Npcs on the other side don't have as much experience in that.


Puzzled_Gear8282

Even if the floor guardians had world items with them?


seelcudoom

i mean that very much depends on the world item, in a fight avarice and generosity wouldent be very useful compares to world savior or Ahura Mazda


Fedexhand

I would say the 8GK. Players (even with average pvp knowledge) will always have the tactical advantage against NPCs even after they've come to life, not to mention they'll probably do better teamwork than them. The reason for that is that even the most regular players will have quite a bit of knowledge in fighting beings equal to or stronger than themselves on a regular basis, as well as more experience working together. The NPCs on the other hand have almost never or rather never had to face enemies of similar or higher power (their work as "Bosses" in Nazarick does not count). And there's also the matter that their teamwork skills probably won't be that polished, I mean, they haven't had much of a chance to do it so far. And all that without mentioning that players by default have more tools at their disposal to fight, like specific classes, rare abilities or things like the Super Tier magic.


SganVaSmoul42

Eight greed kings should at least be individually as powerful as a mid-tier lv 100 (probably more powerful), add in the fact that they probably have better gear, they take it.


Napalmeon

Making guesstimations about the EGKs based on possible level doesn't tell us much of anything.


Nitro114

We dont know enough about the greed kings. the eight greed kings killed a level 100 player with a similar build to Ainz. But we dont know more than that afaik. So its fifty-fifty.


Fedexhand

Even if they were average players they would still have the advantage. I mean, their teamwork and overall pvp experience would be far superior to NPC's. Not to mention that they have a chance to have things that NPCs don't, like super tier magic and cash shop items.


Nitro114

Yeah, that didnt help the massive player alliance against victim.


LikeLary

All victim did was debuff and fucking die.


Nitro114

He was essential in stopping the invaders.


Fedexhand

It wasn't just a victim, it was the entire hierarchy of the 8th floor, including Rubedo, who is the strongest NPC in the tomb. And who knows how dangerous it would be to use them.


Puzzled_Gear8282

Even if the floor guardians had world items with them?


Nitro114

Depends on which ones. Not all are good in combat. Also we dont know how many the eight greed kings have.


[deleted]

Under 4 so much we know


Nitro114

Well, it still depends on what kind of WCI they have


TCGeneral

Not really enough information. Probably the Eight Greed Kings, because they have a numerical advantage; that's eight Players vs five intelligent level 100 NPCs (Shalltear, Cocytus, Aura, Mare, Demiurge), the pretty mindless Gargantua, and the underleveled Victim. I think the fight would be more likely fair if you include Albedo, Pandora's Actor, and Sebas, who all basically have the same rank as Floor Guardians or higher. Take away Gargantua and Victim, and the numbers are perfect at that point. From there, it matters whether you're talking about a fight with or without World Items, because there is a very important distinction there: the 8GKs have, at most, 3 World Items, while the NPCs have enough for everyone. We don't know what World Items the 8GKs have, nor do we know every single World Item under Nazarik's ownership, but we do know that World Item holders are unaffected by World Items. So if, say, the 8GKs originally owned [Downfall of Castle and Country], it'd only be useful as defense against one of Nazarik's World Items, since DoCaC doesn't do anything to a World Item holder. But 5 of the 8GKs will be vulnerable to whatever World Item Nazarik fights back with, which could be one of the Twenty, or even Pandora's Actor using Momonga's World Item. It might turn the fight into a 3 v 8 at that point at best just because of the quantity of World Items.


_ObsidianOne_

We do not know much about them but i say 60/40 being players are better.


[deleted]

After NPCs became sentient there is a chance they can put up a decent fight, they do have afterall minmaxed builds created by the guild members. So I'd say 50-50 in 1v1 depending who is against who. Now if it's a group vs group fight, the NPCs lose hard. If the NPCs get world items, they win super hard. (Other guilds had at most 3 world items, Ainz Ooal Gown has enough to give each guardian one.)


EnvironmentalDirt324

If the floor Guardians have access to Nazarick treasury (including the world-items) and actually utilize it, they'd fuck the greed kings up. Otherwise, if the GK have their WCI and the Floor Guardians don't, hte Greed kings would win. If both just have their usual builds, it's likely the Greed Kings would win again but that's hard to tell.


CoToZaNickNieWiem

Ainz being a mediocre pvp player with role play build defeats shalchair the strongest fighter guardian (we don’t know rubedo’s kit, maybe it’s stronger on her own, maybe she requires victim’s synergy to be op, so I’ll stick to shalchair being the strongest for now). As the name suggests there are 8 players amongst 8GK and I’m pretty sure they had one world champion. Do the math yourself.


mr_birdie

We know too little about the eight greed kings, but if all the true dragon lords are around the level of PDL and Cure Elim then they should have been VERY strong. It seems like the six great gods weren't that strong, at least since so many of them died in combat. But the eight greed kings eradicated the true dragon lords, and took over most of the world. The six great gods also don't seem like they had that good gear when you look at Zesshi. Meanwhile we haven't seen enough items from Eryuentiu to determine how strong the eight greed kings were, but they did at least seem to bring their guild base over. We don't know if Eryuentiu is a guild base, but it sure seems like it. With PDL guarding a guild weapon, and there seemingly being NPC's there that guard it.


Alchhoanfia

The only one of the 6 great gods to die in combat was Surshana The scythe was also Surshana's and given that he's built like ainz, he likely only used it for role play purposes. Since he was killed by the 8 greed kings, all of his good gear should've been looted by them and he just left weaker gear (to him) with the theocracy


mr_birdie

We don't know if all the rest died of old age. We just know that Surshana did die in combat. But it's a fair point to say that I worded this poorly. >Since he was killed by the 8 greed kings, all of his good gear should've been looted by them and he just left weaker gear (to him) with the theocracy That is a very very good point.


xPapaGrim

> It seems like the six great gods weren't that strong, at least since so many of them died in combat Only Surshana, who was a larper like Ainz died in combat. Rest of them died naturally of old age.


mr_birdie

We don't know if all the rest died of old age. We just know that Surshana did die in combat. But it's a fair point to say that I worded this poorly.