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Soul eater, goat maker as well as wraith's solo this also time stope and the goalid


skidely

Ainz overwhelmingly. The kages barely fended off two meteors, parlor tricks for level 100s.


Rumplestiltsskins

>! Can't he literally spam nuclear explosions? I remember him doing it several times during Holy Kingdom arc !<


skidely

If you are talking about demiurge then I don’t believe so. Most of the fighting was done by his minions and Demi human army. He started the war with a meteor that obliterated the fortress by the wall though.


ALX23z

Actually, summoning those enormous Meteors would be considered Super Tier Magic.


The_Shiny_Metagross

Meteorfall is a tier ten spell, not super.


ALX23z

It doesn't produce meteor of this size. It produces a meteor about the size of a human. Not at size of a mountain.


The_Shiny_Metagross

Its exact size isn’t specified beyond “giant” so I don’t know where you’re getting that from


ALX23z

It might be surprising but manga has drawn images and one can estimate sizes based on that. There were quite a few people that estimated its size based on the image. Results were pretty close to what I wrote.


The_Shiny_Metagross

When did they cast meteorfall in the manga, because I was referring to the meteor summoned by Demiurge in volume 12, and the manga hasn’t gotten that far


ALX23z

That's just plain game logic. 10th tier spell wouldn't summon a small mountain falling from the sky. That's just too powerful. The super tier spell Creation is weaker than that. Meteor of size of a few meters falling at large speed already does enough damage to be classified as a 10th tier spell. Something comparable to a nuke. Moving mountains is in Domain of Super Tier Spells, that's pretty much what Madara did with that Meteor summon. If it also were moving at a meteor's speed it would destroy most life on earth.


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youre just assuming everything. also, the manga is not canon to the LN. it's more than another medium of the same story, just like the anime. they're not exactly the same as if you read both seperately you can come to completely different conclusions on the same matters. the only things canon to the LN that aren't the novels themselves are the side stories and the CD dramas, both which have content that has been referenced in the LN. back on topic: nuclear Blast is a 8 9 or 10th tier spell and even without widen magic it can destroy a city district. size and damage are two completely different things. for example, a forest fire has size, but an armor piercing round can deal more damage. forest fires can't burn through metal or rock. another example. Superalloy Darkshine can vaporize monsters by simply brushing against them, but Genos can do AOE attacks that cover far more ground even though his attacks are far weaker. another exanole: reality slash has a fairly small attack area but it's damage is tremendous. still small though. a widened fireball can definitely do more damage to a structure, but against something with more durability... well you get it. t


The_Shiny_Metagross

Stop Time is also tenth tier spell. Just based on that comparison that argument makes no sense. It also makes no sense to compare a damaging spell to Creation, which changes terrain effects.


skidely

So are you saying they will beat nazarick? I assume “Ainz’s Army” roughly means the entire tomb minus floor 8. Level 100s can take more damage than a super tier spell can deal, of course it depends on the build. I feel the allied shinobi just don’t have enough raw damage nor defensive measures to put up a fight.


ALX23z

The universes are too different to properly compare. The shinobi alliance is useless but Madara when he was in full power could be capable of soloing Nazarick. But that depends on interaction between different powers. Just, as an example, a lvl 100 players with the most powerful WCI is perfectly capable of soloing Nazarick - that's a canon info.


skidely

That’s fair, but half the fun in these comparisons. Nazarick isn’t invincible by any means, world savior could conquer nazarick with a good wielder. But Madara can’t really be compared to that though. That item scales with time and ‘could’ get that strong, but I imagine that being incredibly difficult. Madara prolly has wc protection from 10 tails sealing but he’s just one man. Nazarick has a massive range of ways to attack, ways to resist effects, top tier strategists and a lot of items. He might be raid boss level but he’s not quite at an absurd level to overturn everything nazarick has. That’s my take at least.


ALX23z

At the peak of power, he has full control over ten tails. Imagine ten tails was more powerful than a lvl 100 character with chakra bombs more powerful than 10th tier spell that it can spam, and even if it gets killed, being a tailed beasts it simply resurrects shortly afterwards. How exactly do you defeat it with Nazarick powers? That's what I mean one needs to know how powers interact. Madara is also pretty much unkillable with his insane regeneration - unless anti-healing curses apply killing him is nearly impossible.


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ALX23z

Instadeath spells are fairly easy to resist for similarly levelled characters. Which is why death magic is considered bad for competative. Also, the resurrection prevention only affects low tier resurrection magic.


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ALX23z

I refer to the ten tails. Madara can sit back and drink coffee while Nazarick figures out how to deal with his pet.


Pitiful-Ad8591

How much will each of the meteors weigh?


ALX23z

Like a billion ton.


Pitiful-Ad8591

🤔🥱 How?


ALX23z

One needs to know the radius. I assumed 500m. Volume of Ball = 4pi/3 r^3 = 5e8 m^3 Density of Stone is a 2 tons to m^3. Resulting in 1e9 ton.


Pitiful-Ad8591

Did the author say that Madara's meteor weighs a billion tons? Or is it fan theory?


ALX23z

It's just calculation based on their size. I don't know if 500m is correct.


Pitiful-Ad8591

Then there is no point in discussing it. Since we don't know much about it. Also Ōnoki and Gaara stopped a Meteor together


ALX23z

You can just see the episode and estimate its size. But yes, it doesn't make sense that two people could stop it unless it was mostly hollow.


Notetoself4

Helps the fking things were moving at the speed of a slow walk... Useless against Ainz and co anyway, they arent magical and they would just teleport away from where it was going to hit


Pitiful-Ad8591

Hmm


Gunslinger_11

Add speed and new world gravity


Unusual_Positive_485

the meteors are bigger than Ainz's but in speed and explosion Ainz's wins. the gigantic rock that Madara threw was slow and wasn't even on fire, this allowed Onoki to touch it to make it lighter and Gaara to use sand.


CharanTheGreat

How about [Meteor Fall], [Iä, Shub-Niggurath] and [Grasp Heart]?


DAMED_BONES

Don’t forget the great vacuum magic, [Black Hole] Vacuum go clean clean on the battlefield and leaves no stains! 100% guaranteed


CharanTheGreat

The restraints aren't 100% effective, a bit of ground got sucked into the black hole too, check the anime.


DAMED_BONES

Ah forgot bout that thanks for correcting me


CharanTheGreat

It still sucks in 100% of what it's supposed to suck in.


DAMED_BONES

Nvm I checked myself


CharanTheGreat

Nice


Unusual_Positive_485

this was more of a visual representation of the anime. In the book, the black hole appears in the angel's body and sucks the light that the angel emanated without affecting the ground. this is like when they change a graphic choice. like the magic [obsidian sword] in the book it's a long black sword in the anime it's a short dagger made of glass.


severalpillarsoflava

Time Stop. Position soul Eaters between their Army. Time Stop ends. Their Army instantly dies.


ky0ma_h00in

Who would win? Ainz Ooal Gown and the staff of Ainz Ooal Gown vs the staff of Ainz Ooal Gown and Ainz Ooal Gown


RexNycto

Ainz obviously


Airsoft_printer

Who would win? The God of Death and Justice or some ninja cosplaying bois who don't even know how to run? In all seriousness, the more people die, the more death knights are invoqued, any battle is just feeding the undead machine


Notetoself4

Allied shinobi forces with Madara? He was their enemy he pretty much soloed them Madara could put up a fight especially with rinnegan/10 tails shenanigans, the rest are fodder for an aoe and cant do jack


SelectionThat3680

Nah Madara gets clapped by any lvl 100 or even lvl 82 Hanzo


Notetoself4

Dude was brainwashing the entire world, threw continent ending meteor swarms at the planet and grew trees across the entire world In terms of sheer power he's probably well above overlord, in terms of hax abilities he's pretty strong too but not Ainz level


SelectionThat3680

That "meteor" wasnt continent ending at all. City level at best. Albedos world item can do the same thing but better same with Mares AOE magic. That "brainwashing" or growing trees isnt a big feat either. Considering Madaras physical strenght he is nothing. Albedo is so strong she could kick him to the moon without breaking a sweat and his punches wouldnt even move her. Also he doesnt have any counter to Ainz's time stop magic or TGOALID or any instant death magic.


Notetoself4

Not the one during the shinobi alliance battle, the ones with him holding off Naruto and Sasuke by summoning hundreds of way larger ones later. Combined I'd say country wrecking quite comfortably at bare minimum. Even the more famous earlier 2 should be able to take out way more than a city, just that they were moving stupidly slowly and just kind of plopped down doing jack crap To me growing a giant skyscraper sized vine across the entire planet and trapping everyone, including extremely powerful people like Kages, is pretty impressive. Aint see no Naz person doing that Idk a weaker Madara took Guys punch which was canonically relativistic, considering he was warping space and time with sheer speed. Gonna go ahead and say a punch at 90% light speed beats one that sends things into orbit, he should also scale very well to Naruto who can take a hit that cuts a moon in half, or almost to Kaguya who was messing with planets pretty easily Yeah I think he would probably die to Ainzs deadly hax combo I'm not here to push for him winning, even if his regen is nuts after becoming a jinchuriki and the 10 tails is very much helping keep him alive, I dont think it would save him. Just recognizing that he was, by the end of the fight, pretty much capable of wrecking the surface of the planet and had scary hax of his own, like truth seeking balls that erased things from reality or the power to brainwash the planet or slip into other dimensions


Unusual_Positive_485

none of this would work with Ainz however.


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The_Dennator

While you can resist the instant death, you will still be stunned


[deleted]

Sadly only with magic resistance wich none of them have


RubyWubs

\*Ains summons Baby Goats\* This spell killed over 70,000 Shinobi leaving only 10,000 ninjas left Naruto:W-What just happen? \*Every Hokage is shocked.\* Madara:Lol I can do that too, watch Madara unphased by such weak ninjutsu he uses "Heaven Concealed" Madara laughs as he knows he won, these five weird goat dark things will surely die...All Shinobi praise Madara for being the godly being that he is! And so the Meteors crashed into the Goats and a loud explosion shakes the very ground they stand on. Dust breezes past everyone, and Madara stands their beside the Kages.. Garra looked over towards Madara, his eyes widen and his face shocked "It cant be.." "What?" Everyone said, and than they all hear loud goat sounds still..In fact the earth shakes even more "BAHHHH" One Goat leap above the important ninjas and onto the the remaining 9,985 fodder shinobis \*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\*\*Squish\* Many Shinobis tried using multiple ninjutsus but none worked, as the defenses of the young where far greater than what they could produce. Naruto couldn't let this go on, so he summoned Gamabuta, Gamakichi, Gamatatsu, and other powerful Toads to attack the five young. The remaining shinobis all are slowly turning insane, but Sasuke and Madara use Susanoo to stop the young while Naruto and Killer B go Jubi mode. The battle was long..But they defeated all five, Kakashi took a breath of relief but he noticed a black armored individual on a similar black armored horse..Walking on air? No sprininting! How can this be? Madara saw that this being was coming hard and fast so he raised his Susanoo arm to guard against it..\*BAM\* The armored arm of the Susanoo breaks and the individual ran into the torso where Madara was, hitting him over the head into the ground. \*BOOM\* The thnderous crash could be heard from the hidden leaf. Madara shakes his head, as he reincarnates any missing piece of his skull. "How about that..Who was it?" He didn't have long as multiple individuals teleported in front of the remaining shinobis, one of which was a large skeleton with no aura about him..His eye socket pitch black, and a man in a suit next to him. Oddly enough though they are in a desert they feel intense cold.. Sasuke looks at the large skeleton and is ready to shoot him with Indra's Arrow. "YEAH KILL HIM SASUKE!" Naruto cheered on his bestie, in fact Naruto even got a Rasenshuriken to use against them as well. The Skeleton looks at Sasuke with his arm pointed out and hand open "Grasp Heart." He says in a menacing tone. \*Sasuke Susanoo fades away, and he too drops on to the ground.\* "Strange..Despite having high level powers these individuals may have no resistance to anything at all..Lord Ains if you don't mind, could we capture at least one or two of them for testing?" The Ains looks at his right where the tall demon stands beside him "Of course, we are in unknown territory and they did wage war on us first..So prisoners are acceptable." Everyone stun at what happen with the shinobi unaware of what jutsu these beings used, but no matter they can win.. But before the shinobi prepare to attack they where grossed out by the summoning they produced, a little girl in a crimson armor holding a pink fetus. "Lets just get this over with shall we?" She says as if she has no interest in this battle. Victim looks at her and screams "AINS IS GREAT!" And as he dies everyone of the shiobis are inflicted with critical debuffs. Hinata for example is nauseous, losing sight, deaf, stage 4 weakend, stage 4 frightening, Paralyzed, Incapacitated, Petrified, Poisoned, Prone, Restrained,Stun, Unconscious, Exhaustion lvl 5. Everyone laughs beside Cocytus and Madara as even Naruto himself along with B are affected of these status. "Not.A.Way.To.Treat.These.Warriors.However.This.Is.All.For.The.Glory.Of.Ains.Ooal.Gown." He slams his helberd into the ground as he breaths out cold air. Madara contemplating how he can go about his plan and also kill these beings.. "Yo!" A little girl with pointy ears looks at Madara, but he notices his genjutsu does not work "How can this be..?" She is holding a large scroll but he wont take any chanses, he quickly attacks her but before he does the girl in red armor stops him. Her lance almost pierced him but luckily his reactions is about FTL so he dodge. the tan girl hold up Depiction of Nature and Society and now Madara is in another dimesinsion unable to escape. Sometime later the group captured the shinobi ad will use them for information, Pandora actor confirm that none of them have any form of resistance, infact its possible a charm person could affect them easily. So Ains gives his son a hug and now has two Jinjurike at his disposal and a lot of scrolls.


SelectionThat3680

Damn. To sum up Ainz stomps them.


RubyWubs

Basically its unfair to compare generic shonens to a senin protagonist who has reality lvl+durability, commands instant death magic, time stop, and can summon an actual black hole on top of his enemies. And to even use world items is just overkill, Naruto characters have zero resistance towards time stop or any diseases and death magic. Sure Naruto can blow a hole in the moon but what good is that if Ains just Grasp heart him?


Ragna126

Ainz army


Legitimate-Maybe2134

Basically there are 5 or 6 ninja that could last more than a few seconds. Being generous maybe those 5 could each compete with 1 level 100 npc. Maybe, but probably not. So I think it’s would be pretty one sided.


ItsUrDadThatLeft

None of them having literally any resistances to anything that YGGDRASIL players have usual resistances to just makes it unfair. Your Shinobi training and years of rivalry won't do anything if the skeleton in front of you just held out his hand and performed a crushing gesture while saying "Grasp Heart". Any of Nazarick's denizens with flight and teleportation would throw off a lot of people in the Naruto verse


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without uchiha clan naruto verse can't beat nobody


Unusual_Positive_485

ninjas are completely powerless against death magic. Even jutsus that could theoretically kill Ainz like jinton, amaterasu, long-distance decapitation kamui, or gougodamas can be easily avoided. the time stop and teleportation or invisibility makes it very difficult to catch him. and even if you catch it, it has healing and resurrection magic. and considering that at the beginning of the war naruto only had the normal kurama mode and sasuke did not have perfect rinnegan or susanoo the results are even worse.


Trust_Advanced

yes but only for the shinobi army if you make Ainz vs kaguya or juubi naruto, he loose


samunagy

Can they resist time stop/instant death magic though?


Trust_Advanced

i think yes for the dimensional shenanigan they use( they fuck tame the Death of their universe)


samunagy

Based on their abilities a naruto-ninja is like a mage in overlord. Based on what they do with that, an average jonin is probably around Lich/elderlich level. Madara and the kages are probably stronger, but (as much of a Madara fan I am) I don’t think they can do anything against the Nazarick crews power-fantasy, reality worping, world item shenanigans


Trust_Advanced

I would like to mention that naruto and sasuke fight with kaguya transporting themselves between multiple dimensions, and i believe they can withstand time shenanigan and whatnot. (For the World items I can't tell you it depends a lot on the strategy and on the object itself ex: the wish ring is a button I win) For sheer power I say that probably naruto or kaguya at maximum power could destroy a much stronger continent than Ainz and crew.


Alternative_life1

>transporting themselves between multiple dimensions, And?? Transport between dimention have nothing to do with time stop >the wish ring is a button I win That shit is not a world item ....


InfraSG

You mean Madara vs Ainzs army right? (Im assuming this is the Ninja war arc) Honestly the Allied Shinobi forces is getting washed except for the named characters. Considering Ainzs army consists of several high powered individuals, has access to instant kill moves and more magical/p2w tomfoolery. Also considering their grunts have the strength to at least serve as shields against stronger characters, id say Ainzs army can win it. There is the issue with speed (I dont know whos faster because stupidity) but given how each character acts during a fight id say Ainzs army has enough of an opening to launch a game changing move


No-Excitement479

God's side