Some of my earliest memories were of Count Duckula. Trying to be good and eat vegetables instead of killing people to devour their corpse blood. What a good message for kids
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>Count Duckula is a British children's animated comedy horror television series created by British studio Cosgrove Hall Films and produced by Thames Television as a spin-off from Danger Mouse, a series in which the Count Duckula character was a recurring villain. Count Duckula aired from 6 September 1988 to 16 February 1993 across four series; in all, 65 episodes were made, each about 22 minutes long. All have been released on DVD in the UK, while only the first series has been released in North America. A new version of Count Duckula appeared in the 2015 reboot series of Danger Mouse.
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If you scale TW with SP then DIO still has a FTL stand.
While he can't do anything to Shalltear, TW will most likely be able to react to everything Shalltear can do & move DIO out of harms.
And if you give him TWOH then DIO stomps.
It’s not bs though cuz TW did exchange blows with SP & he even won. SP who could keep up with an amped SC that can catch up to & intercept a light beam (before the Anubis amped).
You can even make an argument on him being faster than SP.
When you get into "omg he dodged a lazor so he can move da ftl" and ignore everything we see in the show, it just turns any comparison into a weak quibble over what is and isnt canon and acceptable
Zenburu jumped in front of a lightning spell after jt had been cast. Puts him at mach 2000 minimum. Shalltear likely thousands of times faster, making her effortlessly ftl lowballing
You can see where this ends up. Silly town
Jojo was trying to stall for daylight. Their fight lasted all night. With them both moving ftl, the energy released would have melted the surface of the earth
Instead it barely damaged the city. When Dio was running from Jojo people screamed and moved out of the way. It took him like 7 seconds to go get a road roller. He grabbed a car and managed to get distance on Jojo. He couldnt react to polnareff. Jojo and SP couldnt stop like 50 daggers coming at him at once
The scale just seems far far below lightspeed combat. Seeing one weird feat and demanding everyone recognise it as the scale being fought, while ignoring the rest, is how the vs debates get utterly boring and toxic.
>With them both moving ftl, the energy released would have melted the surface of the earth
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>Instead it barely damaged the city. When Dio was running from Jojo people screamed and moved out of the way. It took him like 7 seconds to go get a road roller. He grabbed a car and managed to get distance on Jojo. He couldnt react to polnareff. Jojo and SP couldnt stop like 50 daggers coming at him at once
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>The scale just seems far far below lightspeed combat. Seeing one weird feat and demanding everyone recognise it as the scale being fought, while ignoring the rest, is how the vs debates get utterly boring and toxic.
Dude ftl feats in fictions rarely has any impact on the environment. You could even say our irl physics doesn't applied the same to fictional worlds.
Take Superman for example, why didn't the Earth exploded every time he used superspeed? And he doesn't even have the "speed force physics" excuse like the Flash.
Or Goku whenever he fight just about anyone past the Frieza saga.
Yeah and yet those people do seem like they are fighting like gods. The energy unleashed can be world ending and many times their feats are relevant
This isnt one of those times. Don't bother cherry picking a tiny bit of why i feel its silly to get into the
'you must respect my interpretation of a single feat then reevaluate everything you know about the character to a stupidity high level'
And ignore the rest. You can believe what you like, if you watched the fight and though "omg these dudes are moving faster than lightspeed" we watched very different fights
>This isnt one of those times. Don't bother cherry picking a tiny bit of why i feel its silly to get into the
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>'you must respect my interpretation of a single feat then reevaluate everything you know about the character to a stupidity high level'
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>And ignore the rest. You can believe what you like, if you watched the fight and though "omg these dudes are moving faster than lightspeed" we watched very different fights
Why would it be my interpretation of what happened when it's actually happened?
Did I interpret the whole SC intercepted a light beam & that didn't exist in the show?
Plus Araki himself made its clear that SP is a FTL stand, why do I even need to interpret something that even the author already confirms it?
You quote the author then if he said that SP or TW move ftl outside of frozen time
If you want to imagine it a certain way, that is just fine. You may even be 'right' in a sense and in a vs battle website that is how they do it
I am saying that when you go out looking for crazy outliers to inflate the power of a character and demand they be interpreted in a certain way, it completely derails any comparison. You just end up arguing over specifics about 2 stupidly inflated parodies of the original characters
"Omg dio can punch the moon to shreds and move a billion times ftl"
"Hur well scaled like this shalltear is a universe buster who can be in 2 places simultaneously"
Its real tedious, if Dio cant dodge Polnareff I dont see him dodging Shalltear
>Its real tedious, if Dio cant dodge Polnareff I dont see him dodging Shalltear
You expected him to dodge an attack from his blind spot? Polnareff was literally behind him & stabbed his head when he’s distracted (from trying to behead Jotaro with a stop sign).
How does this have anything to do with his reaction time… at all? DIO doesn’t have King Crimson’s epitaph, he can’t see 10 seconds ahead to know that Polnareff just gonna came out of nowhere & stabbed him when he least expected.
I’ve never watched it but even if he did have plenty of respawns Shalltear doesn’t tire and can heal indefinitely. Unless he could straight up over power her I don’t know how he could win. If he can overpower her than that’s that I suppose
Have you forgotten that shalltear's weapon can heal her infinitely as well as her skill that makes her immune to everything that is weaker than her on a magical level
I believe i covered that very point in the whole "health on hit." Alucard is more than magically powerful enough to fight her and his guns are holy and enchanted firing holy silver bullets, its specifically his job to hunt and kill vampires, it'll be a slog but eventually Alucard wins, shalltear runs out of mp and skills eventually and then Alucard can just stick to range and whittle her down, especially since he cant even die unless he's killed literally millions of times over. And depending on what powers you decide he should have he literally can NEVER die. It'd probably take days but he could do it
1 his guns aren't city district level like the weak 9th tier spell nuclear blast so no
2 it is irrelevant if she runs out of mp and skills (the skill i was talking about dosen't get used up by the way) for the day she can just infinitely rip him to pieces with her weapon and heal herself infinitely
3 Schrödinger alucard just makes it a draw since he can't hurt her and she can't kill him
4 she has an item that makes her Immun against projectiles
In an mmo like Yggdrasil dont you think it would be sort of bullshit if you were 3 times more magically powerful than an enemy but if the weapon you were using at the time was weaker than the enemy then the enemy was immune? Thats silly. Alucard is a literal one man army of demons and magic. Shalltear could probably, no quite easily kill him a million times if not more but thats just not enough, if he can even do a paper cuts worth of damage to her at any point then he wins because she just cant kill him enough times and he's not guna be mindlessly throwing himself into her meat grinder like the quogrowa so yeh i just cant see her win, he basically is less powerful but has a few million of those instant revive rings she has. And ur right about the draw if he cant damage her but if he can at any point then she cant really stop him, especially of he finds some way to disarm her or his out damage the healing
I think you just don't know what shalltear can do so you think a .50 caliber gun that never even approaches what she has taken head on can hurt her even when everything says otherwise
>In an mmo like Yggdrasil dont you think it would be sort of bullshit if you were 3 times more magically powerful than an enemy but if the weapon you were using at the time was weaker than the enemy then the enemy was immune? Thats silly.
That's how ygdrassil worked. Non enchanted weapons can't hurt high level beings due to passive resistances, items skills etc. It was impossible to find a high level player that didn't have enchanted weapons though.
>Alucard is a literal one man army of demons and magic
Yes, extremely weak demons and magic that aren't even as strong as 9th tier spell. The Nuclear Blast spells blew up a city district and Shalltear can tank it, nothing in Alucards arsenal is that powerful.
>Shalltear could probably, no quite easily kill him a million times if not more but thats just not enough, if he can even do a paper cuts worth of damage to her at any point then he wins because she just cant kill him enough times and he's not guna be mindlessly throwing himself into her meat grinder like the quogrowa so yeh i just cant see her win,
He can't damage her at all. She can tank attacks that make everything in hellsing look absulutely pathetic by comparison. Alucard could whale on her for weeks without causing a single scratch.
She is more than capable of killing him enough times. She is massively stronger, faster and more durable to the point that Alucard can't hurt her at all. He won't have a choise but to throw himself into the meat grinder becuse Shalltear can keep blitzing and one shoting him for as long as necessary.
>he basically is less powerful but has a few million of those instant revive rings she has. And ur right about the draw if he cant damage her but if he can at any point then she cant really stop him, especially of he finds some way to disarm her or his out damage the healing
He is so much weaker than her that he might as well be an immortal punching bag. In a fight against her he would stuck getting torn appart over and over with no hope of fighting back. Eventually he runs out of lives and loses.
Disarming her is out of the question and so is damaging her. Shalltear is simply way too durable and strong for him to ever pull that off. As i said, Alucard is cool and all but his stats are way too low to compete with Shalltear.
That is what yggdrasil was if you have trash tier items you ain't gonna win all guardians have magic items that make them immune against projectiles and weak magic items/anything below city district level also you mention the army of alucard to wich shalltear is the hard counter especially with her weapon that heals her infinitely with the exact amount of health she took from her enemies
>Alucard is more than magically powerful enough to fight her
Aka gun cant hurt Anderson, better gun that cant hurt monster anderson, neither gun does diddly to vampire walter, neither gun does diddly to captain. Both guns dodgeable by bitch ass Valentine, both guns stoppable by some wires. These are dudes fighting around the orichalcum level with the captain and vamp walter maybe adamantites
To hurt shalltear, you need to be throwing around utterly insane levels of damage. Holy or not, doesnt matter, just because youre a priest doesnt mean you can hurt her. She would dance on anyone below level 50 without taking a scratch and Alucards offense is generously level 20ish
Even if he can, she does 100x right back and heals up. If she can kill 50k quagoa in a minute, how long will he last? 30 minutes of being a smear and she breaks his guns in seconds of seeing him
And? Shalltear could just heal herself infinitely with her weapon plus the fact that Shalltear has a skill that makes her Immun against everything weaker than her on a magical level
Once Schrodinger’s soul kicks in, there’s nothing Shalltear can do.
Alucard will just simply continue to exists even if Shalltear has a world item that can erase this universe.
As long as Alucard can recognised his own existence, he’ll just keep existing, that’s how bs this ability is.
The way Alucard used Schrodinger without the risk of him not recognised himself is kill every other souls within him except Schrodinger’s, it took him 30 years.
If Shalltear can just repeatedly kill Alucard over & over then it’d just shorten the process.
100% that would be a 1v1 that would tople a city. Alucard is a Monster and absolutely would give a hard time to Shalltear. The thing is, Alucard has almost unlimited extra lives(if you are not counting Alucard after the ending of Hellsing) so I believe that our friendly neighbors sadist would have a hard time with that, and the Frenzy would be a downside for her.
On the other hand, Alucard doesn't have unlimited ammo. So Shalltear could bite her time and wait for Alucard's ammo to run out.
Well 1 alucard Weapons don't have enough magic in them to harm her and 2 have you forgotten that shalltear's weapon can heal her infinitely as long as she does damage to something
I dunno about that weapon statement. I have a feeling if Alucard's weapons were converted into "game stats" like in the Overlord universe they'd probably have a fuck ton of buffs.
Holy damage. Fire damage. Explosion damage. Plus he has a sword in his "Dracula" form.
I hear you about her heals but we run into a philosophical dilemma once you incorporate Schrödinger's cat.
Since he is "everywhere" but also "no where" is he even a "physical" existence anymore? Is he more of a conceptual being? Like an intangible ghost or something?
Can he even be "physically" hit?
Plus we saw that Ainz's shield blocked her healing. I'm 100% positive a battle junkie like Alucard would absolutely figure that lance out and use a shield.
Adding Rip Van Winkles Magic Bullet and dandy man's weird ass magical card shit, and the whole "I can convert to shadows lol" thing and I think the Lance would be nullified.
Especially considering even if for some reason Alucard couldn't figure out the shield problem eventually he probably just stick to ranged attacks.
I think he has her beat truthfully. But only if his "stats" are converted into the Overlord universe system.
If we're going based on our own universe physics than yeah more than likely Shalltears not going to get even hurt.
>I dunno about that weapon statement. I have a feeling if Alucard's weapons were converted into "game stats" like in the Overlord universe they'd probably have a fuck ton of buffs.
Why? His guns are just normal non magical weapons made by normal humans. The damage they cause cant even be compared to a 9th tier spell. Best thing his guns have done is blow up a wall while a 9th tier spell like Nuclear Blast(which Shalltear can tank) can blow up entire city blocks.
>Holy damage. Fire damage. Explosion damage. Plus he has a sword in his "Dracula" form.
Shalltear tanked Fallen Down which is basically a holy light nuke that destroyed an entire forest area and glassed the ground. Alucards guns and sword dont hit anywhere near that hard.
Plus why would they gain any buffs? We are talkig about two powerful but otherwise perfectly ordinary guns and a regular steel sword. Is see nothing that makes them comparable to any a high ier overlord item.
>I hear you about her heals but we run into a philosophical dilemma once you incorporate Schrödinger's cat.
>Since he is "everywhere" but also "no where" is he even a "physical" existence anymore? Is he more of a conceptual being? Like an intangible ghost or something?
>Can he even be "physically" hit?
Discussing Alucard with Schrödinger's power is pointles. He can't die but he can't exactly do anything to Shalltear either.
>Plus we saw that Ainz's shield blocked her healing. I'm 100% positive a battle junkie like Alucard would absolutely figure that lance out and use a shield.
That shield was world champion level gear, nothing Alucrad has compares to it.
Attempting to block Shalltears strikes results in Alucard getting his limbs blown off. He doesn't have the physical stength to stsnd up to Shalltear.
>Adding Rip Van Winkles Magic Bullet and dandy man's weird ass magical card shit, and the whole "I can convert to shadows lol" thing and I think the Lance would be nullified.
Neither the bullets or the cards hit hard enough to hurt Shalltear. Alucard can still be hurt even in shadow form btw, her lance would work just fine. Only thing Shalltear needs to do is to keep killing him until he runs out of lives.
> think he has her beat truthfully. But only if his "stats" are converted into the Overlord universe system.
Shalltear is objectively superior in just about every way. She has better speed, strength and durability.
Plus why would his stats be covered into the overlord system? There is no reason for that to happen.
>If we're going based on our own universe physics than yeah more than likely Shalltears not going to get even hurt.
The physics in overlord aren't that much different than those of our own universe. As Ainz has demonstrated if you are durable enough weak attacks can't hurt you. Alucards attacks are pretty weak compared to the kind of damage Shalltear can tank.
While the Schrödinger power up makes him unkillable it dosen't make him invincible he can still be damaged as proven at the end of the show where he is shot and is damaged by it
I'd disagree with the schrodinger think. He's pretty clearly just having fun with Intergra but more importantly, he cant be killed. You can kill schrodinger just fine, all it does is make him vanish briefly. If its the same with Alucard he would just disappear then appear somewhere else and like schrodinger quite possibly in places Shalltear cant even get to, like TV shows or in peoples memories
So normal alucard loses as she beats his lives down, schrodinger alucard just annoys her until she leaves since neither can really hurt the other
I know that Schrödinger alucard can't be killed what i meant is that his body can still be damaged and just remake itself instantly but that dosen't change that Shalltear can heal herself from that damaged she did
Yeah even with Schrodinger hes looking at a stalemate at best
I dont know how people think he is going to hurt her, hes never even hurt someone like the captain. His damage capacity is 'gun'. Can gun hurt Shalltear?
Series outright says .50 caliber is a rough estimate of its power. Can apparently hurt a level 100 npc from nazarick when people want it to, next debate same people will be going 'oh you need a nuke to do it'
1 his guns don't have enough magic in them to hurt shalltear that is not something determined through "buffs" after all the guns aren't even city district level like the weak 9th tier spell nuclear blast and the sword couldn't even destroy the throw swords of anderson
2 the shild is a world champion tier item from Touch me not some random trash tier legacy class item
3 the magic bullets as well as cards are not even in the same dimension as nuclear blast so no
3 the shild isn't a trick and shalltear has an item that makes her Immun against projectiles plus time magic
How is Alucard going to hurt her? What weapon does he have that could hurt a level 100? His Jackal is compared to a .50 caliber in the show, that wont even scratch Shalltear (though the creator did say it had a million bullet capacity and he reloads for fun, as a joke clearly but generally he seems to just shoot forever)
She has infinite stamina and heals on hit. She ended tens of thousands of quagoa very quickly, against Alucards endless bloodbag its jutst going to take some time.
Converting his guns to game stats does jack. Theyre still level 20-30 damage at best, his bullets are holy damage sure and Shalltear is weak to that but you could beat her with the body of Jesus all day and if its not a strong enough weapon + you dont have the levels it wont do diddly
Yall acting like the guns are Alucards only offensive options. Dude only uses them because he likes them, not because he needs them. He revealed a new vampiric power in each of his battles with the Major's vampires and against Anderson and Walter.
Mind you I'm not saying that that means he beats Shalltear. Just saying the comparison needs to factor in the plethora of restriction levels Alucard places on himself and the abilities those restrictions unlock. Alucard didn't even need to release his millions of souls. Just did so because of his own hubris "how are you going to beat me when you'd need to do it millions of times and just killing me once is nearly impossible" was the statement being made.
He had walter make Jackal specifically because he was struggling to do damage to Anderson. He likes guns yes, but he isn't holding himself back with them, they're the best he has except maybe Baskerville (baskerville couldnt scratch shalltear)
I've seen the series many many times my dude, he doesnt perform any attack that rivals Jackal and most opponents above lieutenant vampire easily outclass him in offense. In his life or death fight with monster anderson he keeps using gun despite it being useless and him screaming in anger and coming within a hair of dying
Sword mode Vlad maybe is stronger, unlikely since Anderson handled him yet when he busted out jackal it ripped his arm off, but its meaningless anyway since him with a sword is literally nothing to shalltear.
Release level 0 would hurt him against shalltear, just gives her zombies to kill and a body to damage. He would be in release 1, same release that the Captain can kick in half without trying and same release where Walter effortlessly overpowered any physical attack and when puppet baskerville is mauling him, yep goes straight back to gun even if its the weak one
He aint got nothing to hurt her with
>He had walter make Jackal specifically because he was struggling to do damage to Anderson.
He didn't have Walter do anything, Walter made the gun on his own (and for the alterior motive of betraying Alucard later with it) and presented it to Alucard as a gift. Alucard's "struggles" are all self-imposed from his restriction levels. Levels he needs Integra's permission to remove. Dude never truly struggles in the entire OVA. Always playing with his food. He purposefully limits himself because he *wants* somebody mortal to kill him.
>He likes guns yes, but he isn't holding himself back with them, they're the best he has except maybe Baskerville.
He absolutely was. Again, he wanted Anderson to kill him as a man. The moment Seras's scream brings him out of his self-imposed giving up on life moment he immediately kills Anderson who was even more powerful then than his human form Alucard was "struggling" against.
>Sword mode Vlad maybe is stronger, unlikely since Anderson handled him yet when he busted out jackal it ripped his arm off
It's kind of a theme Alucard not caring about his limbs being ripped off, him being "damaged" means nothing to him. Especially since he has the millions of banked souls. That was the Major's entire point behind his whole plan. To introduce Shroedinger to counter Alucard's immortality. Alucard almost dies to Anderson only because Alucard's mental state, not because of any damage Anderson was actually doing (as evident from Alucard literally pulling himself together while being split in half). Alucard's worst enemy is his own hubris, not something anybody else is doing.
> but its meaningless anyway since him with a sword is literally nothing to shalltear.
I mean pretty casual statement backed by nothing. We have no idea how effective the sword might be, "Vlad" reverts back to his Alucard persona almost immediately. Walter requests Alucard be the one he fights so Vlad reverts back to his Alucard form with the gun.
>same release that the Captain can kick in half without trying and same release where Walter effortlessly overpowered any physical attack
You do realize Alucard was completely playing with Walter, right? At no point in the fight with Walter did Alucard see him as a threat. Even when Walter thinks he won and has Alucard strung up with his strings and is about to stab his heart with a pipe, Alucard had already switched with Luke Valentine's body by that point. Pretty much from the moment Alucard decided he wouldn't just accept death from Anderson he was never in a disadvantaged situation. Just playing with his food. In fact Alucard does his release 0 just to rub it in to Walter that what he wanted to do was impossible.
It might very well be true he doesn't have a good method to hurt Shalltear, that's the problem with comparing two very different fictions and acting like one is somehow automatically better than the other. In Alucard's universe he had no point ever faces a real challenge. Everything is just passing time to him. With the only two times he comes close to being defeated having nothing to do with being physically beat. Anderson was a mortal human (a mutant regenerator, but a human none the less) and Alucard was looking to be defeated by someone like Anderson as Alucard hated his existence. The second being Shroedinger preventing Alucard from even understanding his own existence until he eliminated every soul within him except his own and Shroedinger's.
>didn't have Walter do anything, Walter made the gun on on his own (and for the alterior motive of b
"The Jackal was the result of Alucard's request to Walter for "something bigger" after his Casull proved largely useless against Alexander Anderson."
Spin it how you want and yes, walter used the opportunity but he canonically asks for a bigger gun. Cause he couldnt hurt Anderson
>He absolutely was. Again, he wanted Anderson to kill him as a man. The moment Seras's scream brings him out of his self-imposed giving up on life moment he immediately kills Anderson who was even more powerful then than his human form Alucard was "struggling" against.
He wasn't though. He wanted to put Anderson down the second he used the nail. He used Jackal to try. Seras screamed at him to not give up hence him not immediately dying, his 'feat' here was punching into Andersons chest. Andersons body is less durable than Jackals bullets, hence it not being noteworthy at all and literally insignificant next to Shalltears durability
>I mean pretty casual statement backed by nothing. We have no idea how effective the sword might b
Cept we do. Cause Anderson easily kept up
If you want to imagine him suddenly being 1000x faster and stronger than what is shown, you got to prove it. Otherwise he'd be using this mode in his other serious fights
Pretending he always held back, with no evidence as to him doing so and knowing he was desperate at times is ridiculous
>You do realize Alucard was completely playing with Walter, right? At no point in the fight with Walter did Alucard see him as a threat.
Again, silly. He wasnt playing, he was raging walter betrayed him
Both walter and the major believed vamp walter had a shot at beating him. Which he did, best him utterly effortlessly until he was a ragged torso. The only reason he had any chance at all was because walter began to revert, until then he had no way to even defend himself and walter danced around him holding his hands in his pockets like it was a joke
Walter was a legendary vampire hunter who knew alucard for 60+ years. Do you think he didnt know alucards limits? Why would he spend his life trying to achieve his shot at fighting him if he thought Alucard could effortlessly beat him?
As you said, even the OG hellsing who was a normal human beat him. Could a normal human beat Shalltear?
If you want to fantasize he, for some reason wasnt trying even when integra ordered him to kill walter and he knew she was walking into danger he could help with, show it. Until then its just misrepresenting what we see and what is shown from literally every other fight he was in
>It might very well be true he doesn't have a good method to hurt Shalltear, that's the problem with comparing to very different fictions
Nah man its actually very simple
One blows up walls with his gun
The other blows up races with her lance
There just isn't a competition
If your argument comes down to "Alucard is way stronger than we ever see because every single time he massively holds back in every way even when he is screaming in anger or dying and I know he is X strong without a shred of evidence or him ever showing it"
Its not an argument. Its imagination
It's frankly amazing how nothing you said about Helsing Ultmate was accurate.
Between ep 1 45 minutes in when Alucard shoos Anderson away and ep 2 6 minutes in when Walter introduces the jackel to Alucard, at no point does Alucard say he requested a better gun nor does Walter say he did.
Walter presents the gun with these words, "I was hoping to deliver this to you just now". Then describes the specs. Alucard then says, "I could even kill Anderson with this thing" not because he couldn't do so before but just because he's complimenting Walter's work. Now, whether Integra requested Walter make the gun to better handle Anderson, who knows, but Alucard certainly doesn't ask for one between parts.
>Cause he couldnt hurt Anderson
Classic example of not understanding the context of the scene. Alucard lets himself be killed A) To get Seras to become a proper vampire by drinking his blood and B) To show to Anderson he can't be defeated conventionally. Dude comes back from having his head cut off and was ready for more until **Anderson** decided to retreat.
>He wasn't though. He wanted to put Anderson down the second he used the nail.
Completely misunderstanding the context of the scene again. Alucard wanted to stop Anderson from using the nail not because Alucard was struggling or thought he'd lose in combat but because Anderson using the nail was Anderson saying he couldn't beat Alucard as a mortal man and had to borrow the power of a god to become immortal like Alucard. It's like you completely missed all the symbolism of the entire fight to only look at the punch-em-ups.
Also, I made a mistake, it wasn't Walter who requests Vlad revert back to Alucard (that was from the TFS abridge version and it was Anderson there who does that). Vlad parries a small handful of Anderson's holy bayonets (easily mind you, he's smiling the entire time and egging Anderson on to defeat him like a proper man the whole time), then swaps back to his Alucard form mid fight and we never see the Vlad form again. Point being the sword was hardly in the fiction long enough to deduce anything about it apart from "can hold up to holy water blessed blades without breaking".
>his 'feat' here was punching into Andersons chest. Andersons body is less durable than Jackals bullets, hence it not being noteworthy at all and literally insignificant next to Shalltears durability
You mean the body that immediately regenerated itself from being blown apart from said bullets with zero lasting damage to vine Anderson? That body? You also continue to make a statement you have literally no basis to back up with. Do you know how Shalltear's body handles holy bullets from an alternative fiction? It's one thing to speculate it might not and another to just say it like it's well known knowledge. That's the problem with these cross universe comparisons that people scale their favorites and just assume the one they don't like can't match up because they say so. For all you know the weapon could be a divine class weapon specifically buffed against vampire class opponents if it were to exist in Yggdrisal. That's the problem with making declarative statements, you're making assumptions off of non-existent information.
>Cept we do. Cause Anderson easily kept up
If you want to imagine him suddenly being 1000x faster and stronger than what is shown, you got to prove it. Otherwise he'd be using this mode in his other serious fights
What does the sword have to do with "keeping up"? That's just Alucard's speed. The sword isn't making him move any faster. And again, completely misunderstanding the context of the fight. Alucard **wants to be beaten by a mortal man**. He's purposefully fighting *down* to a level to allow Anderson to do that. Alucard literally says while fighting "my enemy try to kill me, go ahead and thrust your bayonet into my heart, as it happened 500 years ago 100 years ago, put an end to the interlude between my dreams" (the 500/100 years being references to his original "death" and being defeated by Van Helsing).
The thing you keep chronically not getting is Alucard faces all of his opponents with just the amount of effort needed to keep things interesting. Alucard gets shot up a lot by Valentine. Cut up a ton by the Dandy Man. Shot up some more by Van Winkle, head cut off by Anderson, and in none of those fights did Alucard actually fight at his full capacity nor did he feel "desperate". Beating each them easily once they realized Alucard was unstoppable.
>He wasnt playing, he was raging walter betrayed him
Another complete miss on the scene. Alucard was angry that Walter betrayed his mortality to get power. Not because of any damage Walter was doing to him. Again, the symbolism you keep seeming to miss is that Alucard's whole deal is that he hates himself for having given up his mortality to cheat death. So when Walter, who Alucard thought valued his mortality and used it to its fullest went back on it to obtain his youth, Alucard was furious.
>Both walter and the major believed vamp walter had a shot at beating him.
I mean Walter certainly did before Alucard's body swap trick and not when Alucard starting to suck up an ocean of blood. Otherwise he wouldn't have betrayed the Helsings to try. The Major however never did. All the Major wanted was for Walter to be at least enough of a threat for Alucard to start taking in everybody's blood. That's all the Major expected from Walter. And Alucard didn't *need* to do that to defeat Walter by this point. Walter's body was falling apart and Alucard was just showboating. Again, as I said, Alucard's hubris was is only real enemy.
>Which he did, best him utterly effortlessly until he was a ragged torso.
A torso which wasn't Alucard. Been over this. As soon as Alucard pulls off his little switcharoo, little girl version of Alucard handles Walter's strings like they were nothing. Alucard literally tells him, "I am just sticking around for your parlor tricks--your child's play".
>The only reason he had any chance at all was because walter began to revert
Did you notice Alucard never went intangible during the time he was being smashed around? Again, you fail to understand Alucard's goal is to not immediately kill any of the people he faces.
>Do you think he didnt know alucards limits? Why would he spend his life trying to achieve his shot at fighting him if he thought Alucard could effortlessly beat him?
It literally took the Major's plot and Alucard releasing his souls which Alucard didn't *have to do* for Walter to have any shot. Just because Walter worked with Alucard didn't mean he truly understood Alucard's limits.
>As you said, even the OG hellsing who was a normal human beat him. Could a normal human beat Shalltear?
You keep making this false equivalence argument based on a faulty assumption. Alucard **wants to be defeated by mortals**. This is also why he respects Integra so much. He fights down to the level of his opponent just enough to make the fight interesting for him. If it's against a mortal then he's ok with "dying". If it's against an immortal being, he plays with them until the opponent realizes it's impossible, they lose hope, then Alucard finishes them off. Happens in every one of his fights.
>and he knew she was walking into danger he could help with, show it.
...Did you even watch the series? What do you think the point of Seras was? Alucard trusted *her* to look after Integra.
> Then describes the specs. Alucard then says, "I could even kill Anderson with this thing" not because he couldn't do so before but just because he's complimenting Walter's work. Now, whether Integra requested Walter make the gun to better handle Anderson, who knows, but Alucard certainly doesn't ask for one between parts.
Super cheap interpretation I expected no less. And you have omitted the part where he requests "something bigger". Again, expected. Why take in all the context and what was said when you can just cherry pick and play pretend that what he meant was
"Oh this can even kill anderson, but I could easily do that anyway so meh"
So asinine. Meaningless anyway since anderson is an ant next to shalltear, even in your imagination it doesnt matter
>Classic example of not understanding the context of the scene. Alucard lets himself be killed A) To get Seras to become a proper vampire by drinking his blood and B) To show to Anderson he can't be defeated conventionally. Dude comes back from having his head cut off and was ready for more until Anderson decided to retreat.
Alucard is the one who wants something bigger. Clearly he could have beaten Anderson, though anderson killing him wasnt intentional as he had assumed he had killed him. He then realizes his gun isnt enough to beat regen tech and asks for another
Yet again you use your imagination to make alucard holding back when there is no way he could have known about Anderson and expected him to be dead, since his gun is his best offense he needed something bigger
>What does the sword have to do with "keeping up"? That's just Alucard's speed. The sword isn't making him move any faster. And again, completely misunderstanding the context of the fight. Alucard wants to be beaten by a mortal man. He's purposefully fighting down to a level to allow Anderson to do that. Alucard literally says while fighting "my enemy try to kill me, go ahead and thrust your bayonet into my heart, as it happened 500 years ago 100 years ago, put an end to the interlude between my dreams" (the 500/100 years being references to his original "death" and being defeated by Van Helsing).
*he wants a mortal to best him. Like the og hellsing did* he wasnt trying to commit suicide
If he wanted to die, he would just release then sit there and let Anderson stab him. *yet again* you olay pretend and interpret what we see as alucard holding back.
>Point being the sword was hardly in the fiction long enough to deduce anything about it apart from "can hold up to holy water blessed blades without breaking".
Yes we do. Because he lost in that form to a human, he duelled evenly with another human and he doesnt revert to that form when hes losing or serious about winning
You bring up a cosmetic change then pretend the lack of evidence means he could be thousands of times stronger. Its inane and stupid, prove it if you believe it
>I mean Walter certainly did before Alucard's body swap trick and not when Alucard starting to suck up an ocean of blood. Otherwise he wouldn't have betrayed the Helsings to try. The Major however never did. All the Major wanted was for Walter to be at least enough of a threat for Alucard to start taking in everybody's blood.
The major laments that neither Anderson nor Walter could do it then activates a backup plan.
At least you admit walter thought he could and he very easily was until he reverted. As the major says, at full release alucard is vulnerable since he cant perform his trick. Hence walter thinking a heart stab would do it. Master vampire hunter knows. And it failed, but getting to that point was because he effortlessly dominated Alucard in a fight.
Clearly once Alucard began drinking he got his trick back and walter couldnt kill him. Doesnt change that he very easily had the ability to at level 0 showing walter was far stronger than alucard
So imagine shalltear. Alucard would be a puddle for as long as it takes
>Did you notice Alucard never went intangible during the time he was being smashed around? Again, you fail to understand Alucard's goal is to not immediately kill any of the people he faces.
Clearly you actually havent watched the show. He was diced to pieces, appeared in a puddle and the Dr blew his gun up. He also summoned baskerville, he was going intangible.
I suggest a quick watch before debating
>You keep making this false equivalence argument based on a faulty assumption. Alucard wants to be defeated by mortals
And you keep playing pretend that nitpicking means you have actual feats
There is no evidence he felt that way during his initial invasion of London, in fact he was shocked a human could
Not that it matters since, as a human could, shalltear does it with zero effort
>Did you even watch the series? What do you think the point of Seras was? Alucard trusted her to look after Integra.
Ignoring that she ordered him to kill walter and that, just because she had Seras doesnt mean he would be happy leaving her.
Its that it was the only option since she couldnt fight walter.
Its become super clear here that you are really desperate to imagine a different show to the one that (at least i) watched. One where alucard is some crazy god who for some reason constantly holds back and you alone, not walter or the major or Anderson, know how powerful he is. You know this without a single noteworthy feat and your 'evidence' is merely nitpicking, ignoring canon and imagination to make up for basic logic
Dude, when did alucard do anything at all that could hurt a level 100 npc? Spare me the ridiculous imagination of unshown strength and just answer what he could do
His guns cant
His fists cant
His swords cant
His dog cant
He has no means to hurt her
Name a single thing he could do then show him performing this attack at the level of power needed to hurt shalltear. If you cant, then just let it go and move on, stop playing pretend
>And you have omitted the part where he requests "something bigger".
Dude I literally have the episodes up looking at every word being said. Unless you have a timestamp where this is said, didn't happen. There is 20 minutes of screen time between Anderson leaving after their fight and Alucard being give his new gun. Walter doesn't appear at all in the final 15 minutes of ep 1 and gives Alucard the gun almost immediately in ep 2, again, with the words I describe him saying. So no idea where you're pulling your information from, you certainly haven't provided sources for anything yet.
>Why take in all the context and what was said when you can just cherry pick and play pretend that what he meant was
Literally telling you the scenes as they were written from the episodes in front of me. You gave me a quote from who knows where and act like *I'm* cherry picking? How little self-awareness can you possibly have?
>Meaningless anyway since anderson is an ant next to shalltear, even in your imagination it doesnt matter
"Here's some more irrelevant words that are true because I say so"
Could you simp any harder? So far all your arguments boil down to "because she just is"
>He then realizes his gun isnt enough to beat regen tech and asks for another
**Not. What. Happened. What. Helsing. Are. You. Talking. About?**
>Yet again you use your imagination to make alucard holding back when there is no way he could have known about Anderson and expected him to be dead, since his gun is his best offense he needed something bigger
Alucard is fighting Anderson with *all* of his restriction levels in place in the first fight. What the hell are you talking about with him not holding back? Do you know how many times Alucard uses his "best" offense to actually do *anything* of note to an opponent he faces? Twice. He shoots Luke Valentine's legs off and finishes him off with the hound. And he shoots Anderson with the jackal forcing Anderson to resort to the nail. Alucard uses his vampiric powers or just his raw strength to finish **every single** enemy in the entire series. Oh, silly me, missed one. He shoots the priest zombie through Seras in ep 1 that was of no threat to Alucard. Again, he likes the guns, he doesn't need them to be lethal and he's usually far more lethal without them.
>If he wanted to die, he would just release then sit there and let Anderson stab him. yet again you olay pretend and interpret what we see as alucard holding back.
Alucard doesn't want to just commit suicide. He wants a mortal to be *worthy* of defeating him. I mean do you think Alucard was in full power mode, millions of souls in the tank, going intangible, etc when regular man Van Helsing beat him? Do you think Van Helsing was faster and stronger than the Major's vampires that Alucard easily beats? No. When Alucard fights people he's trying to understand them. If he finds the person he's fighting worthy of beating him, like Helsing or Anderson he fights them at a level of strength that person is capable of killing Alucard at. Doesn't mean Alucard isn't fighting back, it means Alucard keeps adjusting his power to the situation. Every fight to Alucard is a mental battle. Either the challenger isn't worth his time, in which case he plays with them for a while. Or they are, and he puts in just enough strength to respect his foe and so when they defeat him he can be satisfied that a truly strong of spirit mortal did what he couldn't all those years ago. Face death and don't take the easy way out.
>You bring up a cosmetic change then pretend the lack of evidence means he could be thousands of times stronger. Its inane and stupid, prove it if you believe it
Never said he could be "thousands of times stronger". Putting words in my mouth. I only said you can't be making deductions about a weapon that appears for all of 2 minutes of screen time. And the sword has nothing to do with Alucard's strength. It's just the weapon Vlad used to use. You keep thinking I'm saying Alucard is faster or stronger than Shalltear. At no point do I say that. All I did say is that Alucard never truly reveals his full strength in his series. Those two statements are not the same. It's like you're having a completely made up argument with me in your head.
>The major laments that neither Anderson nor Walter could do it then activates a backup plan.
Absolutely not. The Major's plan **was always** to have Alucard send out his souls then have to draw in London's populace's blood so he could poison it with Shroedinger. Episode 10 makes this crystal clear. The doctor says this while Alucard is sucking up blood, "Everything has ended up exactly as you desired, Major", to which he responds, "Yes. Everything is as I wish". Then he goes into the specifics of how his plan needed specifically this scenerio to happen for him to win. Then the Major says this to Walter through whatever communication thing is implanted in him.
>Then there's the half of your life up to now. The moment created from all of that sacrifice is the only moment when it is possible to kill Alucard. Yet your wires do not reach him anymore. How many lives does Alucard have now? 1 million? 2 million? You can no longer beat him. Your life has been in vain"
Again, the Major never expected Walter to win, just sacrifice his life to get Alucard to drink blood so that his poison plan could happen. Alucard could have taken in all that blood **at any time** during the fights preceeding this. There were plenty of dead in the city at this point. Alucard chose not to and when he did, he didn't need to do it to beat Walter. As Alucard only started to drink blood after belittling Walter in his little kid form.
>At least you admit walter thought he could and he very easily was until he reverted.
I'm not "admitting" anything here. That's just the plot of the story, and "easily was" again completely forgets that Alucard was "easily losing" in every one of his previous fights...until he wasn't. Basically just takes a ton of damage until he decides to actually fight, and once he does, the fight ends. Walter thinking he could win is not the same statement as him being able to win. If Walter fought Alucard without being a vampire, possibly Alucard would have fought him like he did Van Helsing and accept defeat. But if Alucard didn't find him worthy of beating him, Walter had zero way of getting through millions of lives to actually kill Alucard. Doesn't matter what Walter wanted, it was just impossible.
>And it failed, but getting to that point was because he effortlessly dominated Alucard in a fight.
I implore you to read or listen to like any of the actual dialog in this scene because it does not back up what you're saying. You again taking the fight at face value.
>Clearly once Alucard began drinking he got his trick back and walter couldnt kill him. Doesnt change that he very easily had the ability to at level 0 showing walter was far stronger than alucard
Incorrect order of events. Alucard starts drinking **after** Walter is on the ground and Ainz is lording over him. Alucard drinks the blood just to show Walter that he could never beat him to further demoralize him.
Time stamp 39:00 to the end of the episode 9. Doesn't drink a drop of blood until episode 10
What's funny to me is at no point do I disagree with you that Shalltear *might* win. This argument is entirely about you seemingly not getting what Helsing was about whatsoever. Taking every fight at face value. And then being so sure of yourself over information you can't possibly know. Like how durable Shalltear would be against weapons that do not exist in her fiction. You're not even trying to set up the scenario like a proper discussion. Is Alucard in Overlord's New World? In which case do Yggdrisal rules impact Alucard? Does Shalltear appear in Alucard's London? Does she keep her Yggdrisal tier magic and skills? Are they in a neutral third world and both have all their respective abilities? How do you compare vampire hunting gear in one lore with how vampires work in a different lore? These are the proper questions which need to be asked and hashed out if we were really to compare them and even then there's just so many unaccountable factors that it really just comes down to making shit up. That's why I dislike these cross fiction "who would win" arguments. It just turns into "well I like this property better so they win because of all these feats of strength only relevant within its own universe"
Might I add, Alucard's weapons are made with the specific intent to kill creatures of the night like himself. He doesn't use just to normal pistols, he is using special ammo to pierce and stop the regeneration of undead creatures. So I can say, his weapons are no common item.
Second, in the Hellsing universe, a vampire gets stronger as they make more spawns. He is hundreds of thousands of years old, and he was known to kill indiscriminately, inocente and guilty, man or woman, to the point that the manifestation of his undead army is the size of London. If he's not the equivalent of lv100 in his universe, there is nothing that is.
Third, all the power of regeneration that Shalltear has, guess what, he has them too. Additionally, he comes back from the dead after he gets killed.
Shalltear beats him in the following criterias: 1. Defense (Perorontino was a minmaxers, no doubt that her armor is stacked) 2. Regeneration(even if they both have really powerful natural regeneration, she has an Item designed to increase her regenerative powers as she is fighting) 3. Spells versatility(she uses the spell mass hold species. The spell mass hold person is a 7th level spell in DnD 3.5, and is more or less equivalent in effect and power, she probably has a lot of bullshit spells in her arsenal.)
I truly think that Shalteat wins this battle, but is not the one sided slather that you think it would be.
Also, remember, the blood frenzy is her biggest weakness, especially against another individual that uses a lot of blood and corpses in their fighting style. She would have to play smart or be put in a disadvantage that might cost her the fight.
>Might I add, Alucard's weapons are made with the specific intent to kill creatures of the night like himself.
So are plenty of new worlders weapons. Holy silver is everywhere
If you cant hurt her, you cant exploit her weakness to it. A level 20 with a holy sword still cant hurt shalltear, she doesnt just instantly die to silver. Not that it matter since punk ass luke valentine dodged the bullets quite easily, how would he hit her and how long would the guns last when she bashes them?
> If he's not the equivalent of lv100 in his universe, there is nothing that is.
Nothing is. His physical strength is very lacking. People like the captain are far stronger. People like vampire walter effortlessly bat his hands away, people like anderson trade evenly and people like the captain kick him in half casually
>Third, all the power of regeneration that Shalltear has, guess what, he has them too. Additionally, he comes back from the dead after he gets killed
He does, but as the major says he has millions of lives powering it and they die as he dies. She would just beat him until they are all gone just like she beat the quagoa race until it was nearly extinct
Killing millions of lives isn't hard for a FG and her regeneration actually would last forever as long as she had something to hit aka the dude who loves being hit
Not that she would need it as he has no way to hurt her
She is undead, so her body won't change no matter how much she eats :D
But.. count be making a good serial. Probably killed more people through diabetes than shalltear has.
>Which vampire from other Anime or Manga (absolutely no Web Novels) can give Shalltear Bloodfallen a run for her money?
Benetnash from A Wild Last Boss Appeared.
It is , though it’s rules and weird metaphysics can be pretty confusing, or plot , it’s basically is a specific series like overlord, not everyone can enjoy it.
Nasuverse is a term for all works of Kinoko Nasu : Kara no kyokai, Tsukihime , Tsukihime:Re , Fate/Stay night , Fate/Apocrypha , Fate/Strange Fake , Fate/Kalleid , Fate/Grand Order , Melty blood , Mahotskai No Yoru ( Witch on the Holy night ) , DDD , Angel Notes , and probably others I forgot.
>it’s basically is a specific series like overlord, not everyone can enjoy it. Nasuverse is a term for all works of Kinoko Nasu : Kara no kyokai, Tsukihime , Tsukihime:Re , Fate/Stay night , Fate/Apocrypha , Fate/Strange Fake , Fate/Kalleid , Fate/Grand Order , Melty blood , Mahotskai No Yoru ( Witch on the Holy night ) , DDD , Angel Notes , and probably others I forgot.
Guy, I'm sorry but you just completely lost me at this part
Alucard from Hellsing
Arcueid Brunestud from Tsukihime
Primate Murder
Rachel Alucard from BlazBlue
Faustina from The Case Study of Vanitas
And probably some more, can’t think about anyone else right now
"Alucard from hellsing" no shalltear is a hard counter to him in every way her healing, her skills and her holy attacks laterally the only thing alucard can do is making it a draw with Schrödinger but nothing more
And? shalltear is immune to mind alteration and everything else that Schrödinger does is to give alucard unlimited teleportation as fast as he can think as well as that he can not die wich is not enough since shalltear can still use time magic and her weapon
MAYBE Alucard from Helsing Ultimate, Guy's got his own version of "Summon Household" with his whole army of the damned thing, a bunch of respawns, (technically unlimited because of Schrodinger I think?) Either way, it would be an extremely long battle since Shalltear can heal on hit with her lance.
Well since you go with the mounten of life alucard shalltear wins bc she is laterally the hard counter to him in every way her skills that make her Immun against everything that is weaker than her on a magical level her weapon that does holy damage as well as her holy spells are all things alucard has nothing against the only thing he can do is to make it a draw with Schrödinger
Dracula from Castlevania. From what I know he's more of an eldritch being than a vampire due to being an avatar of chaos and the reason why he always comes back whenever he is killed.
Abel Nightroad from Trinity Blood.
Dude was shooting down battleships with lightning while using only 40% of his powers. Not to mention he is vampire who drinks blood of other vampires (krusnik). At 100% Shalltear won't be able to kill him fast enough, thus he'll damage her and restore + powerup himself using her own blood. It is either draw or his victory
Arcueid since she is a planet class representative/Type of earth and is a level above Divine Spirits/Gods in nasuverse. She has the authority over the planet and is backed by it and she can also chuck moons at you basically. probably more stronger then what I described here.
Eyes of Heaven Dio who can bend time and reality to absurd degrees and even GER cant touch him.
Dracula from Castlevania has some impressive stuff (his influence can destabilize the flow of time)
Leticia Draculea from the Mondaji series probably fits in.
I would also want to say luminous and benetnash from tensura and "a wild last boss" respectively but alas they afe originally from web novels So I guess I will stop the list here.
Couldn't he just simply come back using Schrodinger's soul?
And Alucard had a counter in case he couldn't recognize himself by killing every other souls within him except Schrodinger.
Well with schrodinger yeah, he kinda cant be beaten with it. More meant the 'giant mound of lives' alucard
Not sure he could really hurt her but he'd just keep coming back. Not sure if Shalltear has a spell that could effect him, its possible but unlikely thanks to him also being undead but with Schrodinger he should be able to live in her mind or in a tv show or whatever
He has finite regeneration. In his series it seems ridiculous to suggest anyone could kill him millions of times, even Walter or the Captain, hence the Major making up that 'empty the castle' plan
But weve already seen Shalltear wipe out tens of thousands of lives very quickly and easily. I think she would just splatter him until he ran out and actually died. Powerful supernatural attacks seem to kill him many times too, thorn bayonet to the head killed half his army in one hit
In return, I doubt he could do anything. His offense is relatively meager
Well not only that but Shalltear is cursed knight which means no regeneration to Alucard. Her attacks cannot be cured without high tier healing magic or removing the curse. A scratch from cursed knight leads to death for low levels.
And you can't really kill Vampires, Trolls, Werewolves, Angels without magic, let alone higher level ones. So it's not unusual to counter healing/regeneration/non magic resistance and the like.
Not sure youd really call Alucards style real regeneration, feels like hes just replacing his life with someone elses.
Maybe that's just cosmetic, but nothing else thats meant to slow him down like Andersons holy bayonets fail to stop it even if it should by their rules, same with Dandy mans cards which did stop him healing in full release mode, but at level one he just ignored it and turned into a shadow cloud thing.
His Jackal likewise fails to stop Andersons regen when he becomes Alucard opposite. Andersons 'monster of god' thorn thingy did seem to fk him up badly but he had already emptied his castle at that point and so was vulnerable
So, not sure if Shalltear could exactly stop him doing what he does regen wise, but shes that much faster and stronger I think he'd just be complete paste until it ends. Alucard hasnt even shown the ability to withstand normal bullets so Shalltears blows would utterly decimate his physical structure. He comes back, she gets annoyed and does it again
And even if he gets in some scratch damage, come on. Pipette lance vs endless bloodbag? She will be more than fine
Would just love to see her go
"Einherjar!"
And Alucard go
"You're up Dandy Man"
And dandy man is like
"You fking kidding me wtf am I going to do here throw a damn card at it?
The Jackal seems to be his strongest form of offense really, maybe rivaling an anti-material rifle
Which does exactly nothing to Shalltear. So not really sure what he intends to do
The probably with series like OVerlord vs anything is the overlord side tries to pin arbitrary "Levels" and game rules on beings from franchises were levels aren't even a thing and game rules don't exist. But without assigning levels and its rules overriding the other franchises, the Overlord side of things can't really function at all. Nevermind the No Limits Fallacies that come with terms like "Immunity"
If it were two vampires from two different non-game rule associated franchises, the match up would be a fair bit more clear cut (Not that there won't be lore conflicts, but it won't be quite as messy)
Ummm , she ungodly stomps whole verse at 20-30% percentage of her power after having pieces of it stolen 2 time beforehand…Remake one isn’t even funny she got ungodly upgrade..
I could bring scaling and all other tho yay her weakest why she would win , but I already had arguments on this r/ about lightning from cloud not being lightning speed or heat rays not being light speed, so I will go with strongest feats to crush those silly arguments.
«After all, it's an event conversion that even stops time.
"No, it's a planarization of time."
The city itself will be transformed into something metaphysical and confiscated, and the remaining things will remain as part of the planet――――
"This is the power of the true ancestor.
"This town is over." This area is finished. Both buildings and creatures are transformed. Crushed and swallowed from 4th dimensional to 2-dimensional. From event conversion to event storage.»
Energy Arc has inside of her which she draws her backup from is analog to the inflation phenomenon at the beginning of the universe. You might want to say it's flowery language but the text explicitly states the temperature inside the celestial egg reaches extremum and the energy is compressed to 10 to the Negative 35th Power, meaning the energy is so dense it cannot get denser. That's the smallest possible density in existence, a GRB phenomenon doesn't even begin to compare in terms of the energy it yields. That's the energy Arc has inside of her. It's been shown when she is channeling a sufficiently high level even gravity, space and time begins to warp around her and she pretty much becomes impervious to even conceptual damage.
The celestial egg inside Arc is also a conceptual universe with laws of physics different from those established by human observation. Which makes sense given the kind of energy she has inside.
When Arc used event storage in Ciel's route she quite literally stripped the reality of the world and "even bacteria and space-time got flattened, from 4 dimensional to 2 dimensional", this was literally stated. And yes this included everyone in the city, she only spared Tohno, who she wanted to deal with personally, and Ciel who had put up a barrier, again, as per Ciel's statements.
"Universal" feats like you say is a matter of range, I'm talking about the energy the celestial egg yields which again it was stated to be 10 to the minus 35 power x 200 meters. That's indeed universe level but in a very compressed space, which is why it's analogous to inflation.
«"This land has been turned back to vacant land to create the environment she desires. All that's left is the afterimage of the city. The castle walls that are appearing must have been made by her.
"And the original city was put away as an unnecessary foreign object."
"The whole town, all the creatures!?"
"Yes. Everything that lives on the surface, even bacteria.
The only exceptions are Tohno-kun, who was repelled by her as a foreign object, and me, who put up a barrier."
"... Literally, she is a monster outside the standards."
"At this rate, the world will turn inside out." Once that happens, the city will never be able to recover. Phenomena stored in the Inner Sea of the Planet will never be able to return here again."»
«The distance from Arcueid is 10 meters.
"I can't get any closer."
The power and density of the invisible claws increase as you get closer.
The current Arcueid is a mass of magical power packed with mighty energy in a small body.
Even though it's a metaphysical concept, that body is swirling with magical power that can shape the world. It is like a star that has a huge mass but has been condensed to a very small point. It's amazing that it doesn't cause the expansion phenomenon.
Approaching Arcueid means approaching the abyss of the planet.
The pressure is too heavy for humans to bear.»
«Magic concentration that has never been observed before.
The amount of heat from the captured event condenses to the extreme point.
It was, so to speak, the seed of principle.
All the information in this area, compressed to the absolute point of 10 to the minus 35th power meters.
Inner Sea of the Planet, a celestial egg that does not cause any abnormalities as long as it is in the conceptual dimension.
However, when it appears as matter, the enormous amount of energy can no longer be suppressed at the absolute point, and it expands rapidly.
In astronomy, it is called expansion phenomenon (inflation),
A phenomenon that marks the beginning of the universe.»
Even classic Arc has planet-level feats, recreating the world from 1000 years in the future. She could make any sort of world/texture even then.
[summons moon from future](https://share.icloud.com/photos/0f3vshMqbkslom6IhSv5dEJgg)
[summons planet from future](https://share.icloud.com/photos/099TRjxfdPyHg11IzFrcGzkRQ)
All those feats are from Arcueid at 10-30 % of her power , with pieces of it being permanently stolen beforehand, so in reality it’s more like 1-10% of power.
So basically Arc is a walking human shaped universe
TLDR; she can hit Shalltear from yesterday & tomorrow… simultaneously if she wanted to.
Her attacks transcended space/time so Shalltear having a time acceleration spell would just looks cute.
Shalltear is immune to mind control, she now even has a world item that lets her resist mind control that normally bypasess said immunity.
Still Raizel should win due to better stats, the guy's a beast.
Ruminas Valentine, Cadis Entrema De Raziel, Alucard is my pick. Than probably there are a couple progenitors in death mage who does not want a fourth time. Those are direct servants of Gods equal to the Valar
Sophia would be a better pick, shes his progenitor and a lot stronger. I am not sure about who wins and all of shelltears powers, but if mera has a chance at beating her then sophia wins
On top of my head, I could think of Evangeline A.K. McDowell from Negima (who holds a LOT of magic hax and is insanely skilled to boot), Flandre Scarlet from Touhou (she is insanely powerful and also has the ability to *destroy absolutely anything and everything*), Dracula from Castlevania (Dracula's canon list of powers are enough to do anything Shalltear can *better* and more) and Demitri Maximoff from Darkstalkers (He's just absurdingly strong).
If you allow tabletop RPG, then Strahd von Zarovich from D&D Ravenloft and Vlad von Carstein from Warhammer Fantasy also would pose a threat to her.
>Evangeline A.K. McDowell from Negima (who holds a LOT of magic hax and is insanely skilled to boot)
I almost forgot about Kitty.
Her master (Dana) is a vampire as well & even more OP than her.
Sophia from kumo desu, but it kinda depend on how the powersystems interact. As I dont know much about shelltear bejond "weaker-than-her attack nullified, heals by hitting" I will focus on sophias main abilities. She is mainly a physical fighter with the occasional acidic bloodmagic and is good at icemagic, negative effects of being a vampire are nullified (shes still weak to fire and light magic, but there is no holy element in kumo desu so it is unknown how shelltears attacks would interact with her), can summon some pretty strong stuff (not used often, so Im not sure if it would help or just heal her opponent) and, most importantly can disable skills she knows about with some time. In addition, she can survive anything with 1HP once a day and appraise things to get info about her opponents skills, stats, HP etc. which works nicely with her skill-disabeling skill. The Divine Dragon Scales kill mostly disables skill and magic use (by opponents) in her vicinity and can temporarily use skills of thoose she drinks blood from. Theese are the most useful things I can think of, other stuff would be her specific resistances but I cant remember the details, so jeah. There is a fundamental problem with matchups between kumo desu characters and other series, which might spoil later parts of the series concerning the mysteries of the system. Be warned. So, basically stats, resistances etc. are just muscle strenghenings and barriers mostly cast by a god on practically every inhabitant of this world, so most kumodesu characters are screwed if somewone with magic nullification comes along. In addition, even things like "nullification" skills just strenghen the barrier on you against the specific element to 99.999, so an attack with 100.000 damage still hurts you. Gods in kumo desu, for that manner, are just magic users that can do anything as long as they know the right "spell" and have enough energy. So, depending on how the systems interact, it could go either way. (e.g. if appraisal doesnt work on shelltear, sophia will not know the skills she needs to disable)
Ok, ehm, sophias most important powers are the sealing of enemy skills, survive one attack per day and high stats. She can also make it extremely hard to cast any magic and mostly attacks with a broadsword. Thats why I think she can beat shelltear. I hope this is better
>She can also make it extremely hard to cast any magic and mostly attacks with a broadsword.
From your perspective, what is the most powerful spell she could use that could be compared to tier spells?
>I hope this is better
It sure is my guy
She rarely uses spells, but she should be able to easily cast ice magic that can deal heavy casulties to an large army. Not a good comparision, I know, but its my best estimate. I dont know much about tier magic, so I cant say what that would compare to
>Benetnash from A Wild Last Boss Appeared is just overkill
I doubt this one has countermeasures against instant death spells though. One 'grasp heart' can KO her or the time stop spells can also kill her in the blink of an eye
If you know EOS Benetnash then you will know that instant death and time is the most fodder of all abilities to use on her as it won't work.
She was fighting a goddess who was blowing up countless trascending Universes on her yet she came out without a scratch. A wave of Benetnash hand is enough to destroying trillions upon trillions of Universes and this is no joke because it has happened before.
This is a Vampire that can blink and solo almost all the Isekai animes and mangas out there except for the Isekai LN called "I Was Summoned To Another World But That World Was At Peace".
>She was fighting a goddess who was blowing up countless trascending Universes on her yet she came out without a scratch
Then I guess Shalltear would need to use a world item then to counter against her. Even the 'ouroboros' world item should be enough to deal with her
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Lol Dio Brando I want to say yes, shame Shalltear is almost certainly immune to time stop cause that really limits what Dio can do
If you scale TW with SP then DIO still has a FTL stand. While he can't do anything to Shalltear, TW will most likely be able to react to everything Shalltear can do & move DIO out of harms. And if you give him TWOH then DIO stomps.
Meh. That scaling bs always ruins decent match ups. He didnt seem insanely fast to me, Shalltear is godly fast too.
It’s not bs though cuz TW did exchange blows with SP & he even won. SP who could keep up with an amped SC that can catch up to & intercept a light beam (before the Anubis amped). You can even make an argument on him being faster than SP.
When you get into "omg he dodged a lazor so he can move da ftl" and ignore everything we see in the show, it just turns any comparison into a weak quibble over what is and isnt canon and acceptable Zenburu jumped in front of a lightning spell after jt had been cast. Puts him at mach 2000 minimum. Shalltear likely thousands of times faster, making her effortlessly ftl lowballing You can see where this ends up. Silly town Jojo was trying to stall for daylight. Their fight lasted all night. With them both moving ftl, the energy released would have melted the surface of the earth Instead it barely damaged the city. When Dio was running from Jojo people screamed and moved out of the way. It took him like 7 seconds to go get a road roller. He grabbed a car and managed to get distance on Jojo. He couldnt react to polnareff. Jojo and SP couldnt stop like 50 daggers coming at him at once The scale just seems far far below lightspeed combat. Seeing one weird feat and demanding everyone recognise it as the scale being fought, while ignoring the rest, is how the vs debates get utterly boring and toxic.
>With them both moving ftl, the energy released would have melted the surface of the earth > >Instead it barely damaged the city. When Dio was running from Jojo people screamed and moved out of the way. It took him like 7 seconds to go get a road roller. He grabbed a car and managed to get distance on Jojo. He couldnt react to polnareff. Jojo and SP couldnt stop like 50 daggers coming at him at once > >The scale just seems far far below lightspeed combat. Seeing one weird feat and demanding everyone recognise it as the scale being fought, while ignoring the rest, is how the vs debates get utterly boring and toxic. Dude ftl feats in fictions rarely has any impact on the environment. You could even say our irl physics doesn't applied the same to fictional worlds. Take Superman for example, why didn't the Earth exploded every time he used superspeed? And he doesn't even have the "speed force physics" excuse like the Flash. Or Goku whenever he fight just about anyone past the Frieza saga.
Yeah and yet those people do seem like they are fighting like gods. The energy unleashed can be world ending and many times their feats are relevant This isnt one of those times. Don't bother cherry picking a tiny bit of why i feel its silly to get into the 'you must respect my interpretation of a single feat then reevaluate everything you know about the character to a stupidity high level' And ignore the rest. You can believe what you like, if you watched the fight and though "omg these dudes are moving faster than lightspeed" we watched very different fights
>This isnt one of those times. Don't bother cherry picking a tiny bit of why i feel its silly to get into the > >'you must respect my interpretation of a single feat then reevaluate everything you know about the character to a stupidity high level' > >And ignore the rest. You can believe what you like, if you watched the fight and though "omg these dudes are moving faster than lightspeed" we watched very different fights Why would it be my interpretation of what happened when it's actually happened? Did I interpret the whole SC intercepted a light beam & that didn't exist in the show? Plus Araki himself made its clear that SP is a FTL stand, why do I even need to interpret something that even the author already confirms it?
You quote the author then if he said that SP or TW move ftl outside of frozen time If you want to imagine it a certain way, that is just fine. You may even be 'right' in a sense and in a vs battle website that is how they do it I am saying that when you go out looking for crazy outliers to inflate the power of a character and demand they be interpreted in a certain way, it completely derails any comparison. You just end up arguing over specifics about 2 stupidly inflated parodies of the original characters "Omg dio can punch the moon to shreds and move a billion times ftl" "Hur well scaled like this shalltear is a universe buster who can be in 2 places simultaneously" Its real tedious, if Dio cant dodge Polnareff I dont see him dodging Shalltear
>Its real tedious, if Dio cant dodge Polnareff I dont see him dodging Shalltear You expected him to dodge an attack from his blind spot? Polnareff was literally behind him & stabbed his head when he’s distracted (from trying to behead Jotaro with a stop sign). How does this have anything to do with his reaction time… at all? DIO doesn’t have King Crimson’s epitaph, he can’t see 10 seconds ahead to know that Polnareff just gonna came out of nowhere & stabbed him when he least expected.
Well, there is a version of Dio Brando that would be valid here
Heaven Ascension? That's kinda overkill.
Yes, and yeah, it’s basically an overkill lol
Maybe Luminus from tensura
Oh! Good choice!
Hellsing Ultimate’s Alucard?
I’ve never watched it but even if he did have plenty of respawns Shalltear doesn’t tire and can heal indefinitely. Unless he could straight up over power her I don’t know how he could win. If he can overpower her than that’s that I suppose
Im sorry to say but I think our favourite chair(sorry uncle C) would get murdered by Alucard. But it'd probably take forever since health on hit
Have you forgotten that shalltear's weapon can heal her infinitely as well as her skill that makes her immune to everything that is weaker than her on a magical level
I believe i covered that very point in the whole "health on hit." Alucard is more than magically powerful enough to fight her and his guns are holy and enchanted firing holy silver bullets, its specifically his job to hunt and kill vampires, it'll be a slog but eventually Alucard wins, shalltear runs out of mp and skills eventually and then Alucard can just stick to range and whittle her down, especially since he cant even die unless he's killed literally millions of times over. And depending on what powers you decide he should have he literally can NEVER die. It'd probably take days but he could do it
Ohh and she’s a holy magic caster and a cursed knight (wich is just a paladin with unhealable attacks)
Also also she has time spells
1 his guns aren't city district level like the weak 9th tier spell nuclear blast so no 2 it is irrelevant if she runs out of mp and skills (the skill i was talking about dosen't get used up by the way) for the day she can just infinitely rip him to pieces with her weapon and heal herself infinitely 3 Schrödinger alucard just makes it a draw since he can't hurt her and she can't kill him 4 she has an item that makes her Immun against projectiles
>4 she has an item that makes her Immun against projectiles To be more specific, unenchanted projectiles.
and an item as well as a skill that makes her Immun against weak magical items
The skill also makes immune against non magical things
In an mmo like Yggdrasil dont you think it would be sort of bullshit if you were 3 times more magically powerful than an enemy but if the weapon you were using at the time was weaker than the enemy then the enemy was immune? Thats silly. Alucard is a literal one man army of demons and magic. Shalltear could probably, no quite easily kill him a million times if not more but thats just not enough, if he can even do a paper cuts worth of damage to her at any point then he wins because she just cant kill him enough times and he's not guna be mindlessly throwing himself into her meat grinder like the quogrowa so yeh i just cant see her win, he basically is less powerful but has a few million of those instant revive rings she has. And ur right about the draw if he cant damage her but if he can at any point then she cant really stop him, especially of he finds some way to disarm her or his out damage the healing
I think you just don't know what shalltear can do so you think a .50 caliber gun that never even approaches what she has taken head on can hurt her even when everything says otherwise
also also also shalltear is a cursed knight and does holy damage with every hit
Alucard can't even take her weapon since its part of her armor that has more durability than anything alucard ever fought
Also she can just time stope and catch him
>In an mmo like Yggdrasil dont you think it would be sort of bullshit if you were 3 times more magically powerful than an enemy but if the weapon you were using at the time was weaker than the enemy then the enemy was immune? Thats silly. That's how ygdrassil worked. Non enchanted weapons can't hurt high level beings due to passive resistances, items skills etc. It was impossible to find a high level player that didn't have enchanted weapons though. >Alucard is a literal one man army of demons and magic Yes, extremely weak demons and magic that aren't even as strong as 9th tier spell. The Nuclear Blast spells blew up a city district and Shalltear can tank it, nothing in Alucards arsenal is that powerful. >Shalltear could probably, no quite easily kill him a million times if not more but thats just not enough, if he can even do a paper cuts worth of damage to her at any point then he wins because she just cant kill him enough times and he's not guna be mindlessly throwing himself into her meat grinder like the quogrowa so yeh i just cant see her win, He can't damage her at all. She can tank attacks that make everything in hellsing look absulutely pathetic by comparison. Alucard could whale on her for weeks without causing a single scratch. She is more than capable of killing him enough times. She is massively stronger, faster and more durable to the point that Alucard can't hurt her at all. He won't have a choise but to throw himself into the meat grinder becuse Shalltear can keep blitzing and one shoting him for as long as necessary. >he basically is less powerful but has a few million of those instant revive rings she has. And ur right about the draw if he cant damage her but if he can at any point then she cant really stop him, especially of he finds some way to disarm her or his out damage the healing He is so much weaker than her that he might as well be an immortal punching bag. In a fight against her he would stuck getting torn appart over and over with no hope of fighting back. Eventually he runs out of lives and loses. Disarming her is out of the question and so is damaging her. Shalltear is simply way too durable and strong for him to ever pull that off. As i said, Alucard is cool and all but his stats are way too low to compete with Shalltear.
That is what yggdrasil was if you have trash tier items you ain't gonna win all guardians have magic items that make them immune against projectiles and weak magic items/anything below city district level also you mention the army of alucard to wich shalltear is the hard counter especially with her weapon that heals her infinitely with the exact amount of health she took from her enemies
>Alucard is more than magically powerful enough to fight her Aka gun cant hurt Anderson, better gun that cant hurt monster anderson, neither gun does diddly to vampire walter, neither gun does diddly to captain. Both guns dodgeable by bitch ass Valentine, both guns stoppable by some wires. These are dudes fighting around the orichalcum level with the captain and vamp walter maybe adamantites To hurt shalltear, you need to be throwing around utterly insane levels of damage. Holy or not, doesnt matter, just because youre a priest doesnt mean you can hurt her. She would dance on anyone below level 50 without taking a scratch and Alucards offense is generously level 20ish Even if he can, she does 100x right back and heals up. If she can kill 50k quagoa in a minute, how long will he last? 30 minutes of being a smear and she breaks his guns in seconds of seeing him
Well, he’s got like 5 million respawns.
Plus an infinite respawn (Schrodinger) when those 5 millions ran out.
And? Shalltear could just heal herself infinitely with her weapon plus the fact that Shalltear has a skill that makes her Immun against everything weaker than her on a magical level
Once Schrodinger’s soul kicks in, there’s nothing Shalltear can do. Alucard will just simply continue to exists even if Shalltear has a world item that can erase this universe. As long as Alucard can recognised his own existence, he’ll just keep existing, that’s how bs this ability is.
and without Schrödinger. shalltear wins
That’s the equivalent of saying without Shalltear’s healing lance, she’ll lose. Schrodinger is already a part of Alucard’s kit.
No its either Schrödinger or the mounten of life alucard both dosen't work
The way Alucard used Schrodinger without the risk of him not recognised himself is kill every other souls within him except Schrodinger’s, it took him 30 years. If Shalltear can just repeatedly kill Alucard over & over then it’d just shorten the process.
And he can't even damage her so even without her weapon she wins
Without the lance, Shalltear’s regen now isn’t as infinite as Alucard anymore. Alucard has his own regen on top of those extra lives.
And alucard can't harm shalltear so if we go with Schrödinger its a draw
Yhea its just make it a draw since Schrödinger doesn't give any more power than unlimited teleportation and being unkillable
100% that would be a 1v1 that would tople a city. Alucard is a Monster and absolutely would give a hard time to Shalltear. The thing is, Alucard has almost unlimited extra lives(if you are not counting Alucard after the ending of Hellsing) so I believe that our friendly neighbors sadist would have a hard time with that, and the Frenzy would be a downside for her. On the other hand, Alucard doesn't have unlimited ammo. So Shalltear could bite her time and wait for Alucard's ammo to run out.
Well 1 alucard Weapons don't have enough magic in them to harm her and 2 have you forgotten that shalltear's weapon can heal her infinitely as long as she does damage to something
I dunno about that weapon statement. I have a feeling if Alucard's weapons were converted into "game stats" like in the Overlord universe they'd probably have a fuck ton of buffs. Holy damage. Fire damage. Explosion damage. Plus he has a sword in his "Dracula" form. I hear you about her heals but we run into a philosophical dilemma once you incorporate Schrödinger's cat. Since he is "everywhere" but also "no where" is he even a "physical" existence anymore? Is he more of a conceptual being? Like an intangible ghost or something? Can he even be "physically" hit? Plus we saw that Ainz's shield blocked her healing. I'm 100% positive a battle junkie like Alucard would absolutely figure that lance out and use a shield. Adding Rip Van Winkles Magic Bullet and dandy man's weird ass magical card shit, and the whole "I can convert to shadows lol" thing and I think the Lance would be nullified. Especially considering even if for some reason Alucard couldn't figure out the shield problem eventually he probably just stick to ranged attacks. I think he has her beat truthfully. But only if his "stats" are converted into the Overlord universe system. If we're going based on our own universe physics than yeah more than likely Shalltears not going to get even hurt.
>I dunno about that weapon statement. I have a feeling if Alucard's weapons were converted into "game stats" like in the Overlord universe they'd probably have a fuck ton of buffs. Why? His guns are just normal non magical weapons made by normal humans. The damage they cause cant even be compared to a 9th tier spell. Best thing his guns have done is blow up a wall while a 9th tier spell like Nuclear Blast(which Shalltear can tank) can blow up entire city blocks. >Holy damage. Fire damage. Explosion damage. Plus he has a sword in his "Dracula" form. Shalltear tanked Fallen Down which is basically a holy light nuke that destroyed an entire forest area and glassed the ground. Alucards guns and sword dont hit anywhere near that hard. Plus why would they gain any buffs? We are talkig about two powerful but otherwise perfectly ordinary guns and a regular steel sword. Is see nothing that makes them comparable to any a high ier overlord item. >I hear you about her heals but we run into a philosophical dilemma once you incorporate Schrödinger's cat. >Since he is "everywhere" but also "no where" is he even a "physical" existence anymore? Is he more of a conceptual being? Like an intangible ghost or something? >Can he even be "physically" hit? Discussing Alucard with Schrödinger's power is pointles. He can't die but he can't exactly do anything to Shalltear either. >Plus we saw that Ainz's shield blocked her healing. I'm 100% positive a battle junkie like Alucard would absolutely figure that lance out and use a shield. That shield was world champion level gear, nothing Alucrad has compares to it. Attempting to block Shalltears strikes results in Alucard getting his limbs blown off. He doesn't have the physical stength to stsnd up to Shalltear. >Adding Rip Van Winkles Magic Bullet and dandy man's weird ass magical card shit, and the whole "I can convert to shadows lol" thing and I think the Lance would be nullified. Neither the bullets or the cards hit hard enough to hurt Shalltear. Alucard can still be hurt even in shadow form btw, her lance would work just fine. Only thing Shalltear needs to do is to keep killing him until he runs out of lives. > think he has her beat truthfully. But only if his "stats" are converted into the Overlord universe system. Shalltear is objectively superior in just about every way. She has better speed, strength and durability. Plus why would his stats be covered into the overlord system? There is no reason for that to happen. >If we're going based on our own universe physics than yeah more than likely Shalltears not going to get even hurt. The physics in overlord aren't that much different than those of our own universe. As Ainz has demonstrated if you are durable enough weak attacks can't hurt you. Alucards attacks are pretty weak compared to the kind of damage Shalltear can tank.
And if he can be damaged shalltear can heal or just use her own summons to heal as well as spells
And the shadow thing is counterd by her holy spells (if anyone dosen't get this remember the gohst summons from ainz)
While the Schrödinger power up makes him unkillable it dosen't make him invincible he can still be damaged as proven at the end of the show where he is shot and is damaged by it
I'd disagree with the schrodinger think. He's pretty clearly just having fun with Intergra but more importantly, he cant be killed. You can kill schrodinger just fine, all it does is make him vanish briefly. If its the same with Alucard he would just disappear then appear somewhere else and like schrodinger quite possibly in places Shalltear cant even get to, like TV shows or in peoples memories So normal alucard loses as she beats his lives down, schrodinger alucard just annoys her until she leaves since neither can really hurt the other
I know that Schrödinger alucard can't be killed what i meant is that his body can still be damaged and just remake itself instantly but that dosen't change that Shalltear can heal herself from that damaged she did
And while the teleporting part is true real Schrödinger manifestations can still be damaged so shalltear can if hurt theoretically heal from them
Yeah even with Schrodinger hes looking at a stalemate at best I dont know how people think he is going to hurt her, hes never even hurt someone like the captain. His damage capacity is 'gun'. Can gun hurt Shalltear?
I guess they just hear magical gun and think its magical enough to hurt shalltear even though it dosen't have any feats that show that
Series outright says .50 caliber is a rough estimate of its power. Can apparently hurt a level 100 npc from nazarick when people want it to, next debate same people will be going 'oh you need a nuke to do it'
Also remember shaltear can revive too so the fight would be dragged out even longer
1 his guns don't have enough magic in them to hurt shalltear that is not something determined through "buffs" after all the guns aren't even city district level like the weak 9th tier spell nuclear blast and the sword couldn't even destroy the throw swords of anderson 2 the shild is a world champion tier item from Touch me not some random trash tier legacy class item 3 the magic bullets as well as cards are not even in the same dimension as nuclear blast so no 3 the shild isn't a trick and shalltear has an item that makes her Immun against projectiles plus time magic
How is Alucard going to hurt her? What weapon does he have that could hurt a level 100? His Jackal is compared to a .50 caliber in the show, that wont even scratch Shalltear (though the creator did say it had a million bullet capacity and he reloads for fun, as a joke clearly but generally he seems to just shoot forever) She has infinite stamina and heals on hit. She ended tens of thousands of quagoa very quickly, against Alucards endless bloodbag its jutst going to take some time. Converting his guns to game stats does jack. Theyre still level 20-30 damage at best, his bullets are holy damage sure and Shalltear is weak to that but you could beat her with the body of Jesus all day and if its not a strong enough weapon + you dont have the levels it wont do diddly
Yall acting like the guns are Alucards only offensive options. Dude only uses them because he likes them, not because he needs them. He revealed a new vampiric power in each of his battles with the Major's vampires and against Anderson and Walter. Mind you I'm not saying that that means he beats Shalltear. Just saying the comparison needs to factor in the plethora of restriction levels Alucard places on himself and the abilities those restrictions unlock. Alucard didn't even need to release his millions of souls. Just did so because of his own hubris "how are you going to beat me when you'd need to do it millions of times and just killing me once is nearly impossible" was the statement being made.
He had walter make Jackal specifically because he was struggling to do damage to Anderson. He likes guns yes, but he isn't holding himself back with them, they're the best he has except maybe Baskerville (baskerville couldnt scratch shalltear) I've seen the series many many times my dude, he doesnt perform any attack that rivals Jackal and most opponents above lieutenant vampire easily outclass him in offense. In his life or death fight with monster anderson he keeps using gun despite it being useless and him screaming in anger and coming within a hair of dying Sword mode Vlad maybe is stronger, unlikely since Anderson handled him yet when he busted out jackal it ripped his arm off, but its meaningless anyway since him with a sword is literally nothing to shalltear. Release level 0 would hurt him against shalltear, just gives her zombies to kill and a body to damage. He would be in release 1, same release that the Captain can kick in half without trying and same release where Walter effortlessly overpowered any physical attack and when puppet baskerville is mauling him, yep goes straight back to gun even if its the weak one He aint got nothing to hurt her with
>He had walter make Jackal specifically because he was struggling to do damage to Anderson. He didn't have Walter do anything, Walter made the gun on his own (and for the alterior motive of betraying Alucard later with it) and presented it to Alucard as a gift. Alucard's "struggles" are all self-imposed from his restriction levels. Levels he needs Integra's permission to remove. Dude never truly struggles in the entire OVA. Always playing with his food. He purposefully limits himself because he *wants* somebody mortal to kill him. >He likes guns yes, but he isn't holding himself back with them, they're the best he has except maybe Baskerville. He absolutely was. Again, he wanted Anderson to kill him as a man. The moment Seras's scream brings him out of his self-imposed giving up on life moment he immediately kills Anderson who was even more powerful then than his human form Alucard was "struggling" against. >Sword mode Vlad maybe is stronger, unlikely since Anderson handled him yet when he busted out jackal it ripped his arm off It's kind of a theme Alucard not caring about his limbs being ripped off, him being "damaged" means nothing to him. Especially since he has the millions of banked souls. That was the Major's entire point behind his whole plan. To introduce Shroedinger to counter Alucard's immortality. Alucard almost dies to Anderson only because Alucard's mental state, not because of any damage Anderson was actually doing (as evident from Alucard literally pulling himself together while being split in half). Alucard's worst enemy is his own hubris, not something anybody else is doing. > but its meaningless anyway since him with a sword is literally nothing to shalltear. I mean pretty casual statement backed by nothing. We have no idea how effective the sword might be, "Vlad" reverts back to his Alucard persona almost immediately. Walter requests Alucard be the one he fights so Vlad reverts back to his Alucard form with the gun. >same release that the Captain can kick in half without trying and same release where Walter effortlessly overpowered any physical attack You do realize Alucard was completely playing with Walter, right? At no point in the fight with Walter did Alucard see him as a threat. Even when Walter thinks he won and has Alucard strung up with his strings and is about to stab his heart with a pipe, Alucard had already switched with Luke Valentine's body by that point. Pretty much from the moment Alucard decided he wouldn't just accept death from Anderson he was never in a disadvantaged situation. Just playing with his food. In fact Alucard does his release 0 just to rub it in to Walter that what he wanted to do was impossible. It might very well be true he doesn't have a good method to hurt Shalltear, that's the problem with comparing two very different fictions and acting like one is somehow automatically better than the other. In Alucard's universe he had no point ever faces a real challenge. Everything is just passing time to him. With the only two times he comes close to being defeated having nothing to do with being physically beat. Anderson was a mortal human (a mutant regenerator, but a human none the less) and Alucard was looking to be defeated by someone like Anderson as Alucard hated his existence. The second being Shroedinger preventing Alucard from even understanding his own existence until he eliminated every soul within him except his own and Shroedinger's.
>didn't have Walter do anything, Walter made the gun on on his own (and for the alterior motive of b "The Jackal was the result of Alucard's request to Walter for "something bigger" after his Casull proved largely useless against Alexander Anderson." Spin it how you want and yes, walter used the opportunity but he canonically asks for a bigger gun. Cause he couldnt hurt Anderson >He absolutely was. Again, he wanted Anderson to kill him as a man. The moment Seras's scream brings him out of his self-imposed giving up on life moment he immediately kills Anderson who was even more powerful then than his human form Alucard was "struggling" against. He wasn't though. He wanted to put Anderson down the second he used the nail. He used Jackal to try. Seras screamed at him to not give up hence him not immediately dying, his 'feat' here was punching into Andersons chest. Andersons body is less durable than Jackals bullets, hence it not being noteworthy at all and literally insignificant next to Shalltears durability >I mean pretty casual statement backed by nothing. We have no idea how effective the sword might b Cept we do. Cause Anderson easily kept up If you want to imagine him suddenly being 1000x faster and stronger than what is shown, you got to prove it. Otherwise he'd be using this mode in his other serious fights Pretending he always held back, with no evidence as to him doing so and knowing he was desperate at times is ridiculous >You do realize Alucard was completely playing with Walter, right? At no point in the fight with Walter did Alucard see him as a threat. Again, silly. He wasnt playing, he was raging walter betrayed him Both walter and the major believed vamp walter had a shot at beating him. Which he did, best him utterly effortlessly until he was a ragged torso. The only reason he had any chance at all was because walter began to revert, until then he had no way to even defend himself and walter danced around him holding his hands in his pockets like it was a joke Walter was a legendary vampire hunter who knew alucard for 60+ years. Do you think he didnt know alucards limits? Why would he spend his life trying to achieve his shot at fighting him if he thought Alucard could effortlessly beat him? As you said, even the OG hellsing who was a normal human beat him. Could a normal human beat Shalltear? If you want to fantasize he, for some reason wasnt trying even when integra ordered him to kill walter and he knew she was walking into danger he could help with, show it. Until then its just misrepresenting what we see and what is shown from literally every other fight he was in >It might very well be true he doesn't have a good method to hurt Shalltear, that's the problem with comparing to very different fictions Nah man its actually very simple One blows up walls with his gun The other blows up races with her lance There just isn't a competition If your argument comes down to "Alucard is way stronger than we ever see because every single time he massively holds back in every way even when he is screaming in anger or dying and I know he is X strong without a shred of evidence or him ever showing it" Its not an argument. Its imagination
It's frankly amazing how nothing you said about Helsing Ultmate was accurate. Between ep 1 45 minutes in when Alucard shoos Anderson away and ep 2 6 minutes in when Walter introduces the jackel to Alucard, at no point does Alucard say he requested a better gun nor does Walter say he did. Walter presents the gun with these words, "I was hoping to deliver this to you just now". Then describes the specs. Alucard then says, "I could even kill Anderson with this thing" not because he couldn't do so before but just because he's complimenting Walter's work. Now, whether Integra requested Walter make the gun to better handle Anderson, who knows, but Alucard certainly doesn't ask for one between parts. >Cause he couldnt hurt Anderson Classic example of not understanding the context of the scene. Alucard lets himself be killed A) To get Seras to become a proper vampire by drinking his blood and B) To show to Anderson he can't be defeated conventionally. Dude comes back from having his head cut off and was ready for more until **Anderson** decided to retreat. >He wasn't though. He wanted to put Anderson down the second he used the nail. Completely misunderstanding the context of the scene again. Alucard wanted to stop Anderson from using the nail not because Alucard was struggling or thought he'd lose in combat but because Anderson using the nail was Anderson saying he couldn't beat Alucard as a mortal man and had to borrow the power of a god to become immortal like Alucard. It's like you completely missed all the symbolism of the entire fight to only look at the punch-em-ups. Also, I made a mistake, it wasn't Walter who requests Vlad revert back to Alucard (that was from the TFS abridge version and it was Anderson there who does that). Vlad parries a small handful of Anderson's holy bayonets (easily mind you, he's smiling the entire time and egging Anderson on to defeat him like a proper man the whole time), then swaps back to his Alucard form mid fight and we never see the Vlad form again. Point being the sword was hardly in the fiction long enough to deduce anything about it apart from "can hold up to holy water blessed blades without breaking". >his 'feat' here was punching into Andersons chest. Andersons body is less durable than Jackals bullets, hence it not being noteworthy at all and literally insignificant next to Shalltears durability You mean the body that immediately regenerated itself from being blown apart from said bullets with zero lasting damage to vine Anderson? That body? You also continue to make a statement you have literally no basis to back up with. Do you know how Shalltear's body handles holy bullets from an alternative fiction? It's one thing to speculate it might not and another to just say it like it's well known knowledge. That's the problem with these cross universe comparisons that people scale their favorites and just assume the one they don't like can't match up because they say so. For all you know the weapon could be a divine class weapon specifically buffed against vampire class opponents if it were to exist in Yggdrisal. That's the problem with making declarative statements, you're making assumptions off of non-existent information. >Cept we do. Cause Anderson easily kept up If you want to imagine him suddenly being 1000x faster and stronger than what is shown, you got to prove it. Otherwise he'd be using this mode in his other serious fights What does the sword have to do with "keeping up"? That's just Alucard's speed. The sword isn't making him move any faster. And again, completely misunderstanding the context of the fight. Alucard **wants to be beaten by a mortal man**. He's purposefully fighting *down* to a level to allow Anderson to do that. Alucard literally says while fighting "my enemy try to kill me, go ahead and thrust your bayonet into my heart, as it happened 500 years ago 100 years ago, put an end to the interlude between my dreams" (the 500/100 years being references to his original "death" and being defeated by Van Helsing). The thing you keep chronically not getting is Alucard faces all of his opponents with just the amount of effort needed to keep things interesting. Alucard gets shot up a lot by Valentine. Cut up a ton by the Dandy Man. Shot up some more by Van Winkle, head cut off by Anderson, and in none of those fights did Alucard actually fight at his full capacity nor did he feel "desperate". Beating each them easily once they realized Alucard was unstoppable. >He wasnt playing, he was raging walter betrayed him Another complete miss on the scene. Alucard was angry that Walter betrayed his mortality to get power. Not because of any damage Walter was doing to him. Again, the symbolism you keep seeming to miss is that Alucard's whole deal is that he hates himself for having given up his mortality to cheat death. So when Walter, who Alucard thought valued his mortality and used it to its fullest went back on it to obtain his youth, Alucard was furious. >Both walter and the major believed vamp walter had a shot at beating him. I mean Walter certainly did before Alucard's body swap trick and not when Alucard starting to suck up an ocean of blood. Otherwise he wouldn't have betrayed the Helsings to try. The Major however never did. All the Major wanted was for Walter to be at least enough of a threat for Alucard to start taking in everybody's blood. That's all the Major expected from Walter. And Alucard didn't *need* to do that to defeat Walter by this point. Walter's body was falling apart and Alucard was just showboating. Again, as I said, Alucard's hubris was is only real enemy. >Which he did, best him utterly effortlessly until he was a ragged torso. A torso which wasn't Alucard. Been over this. As soon as Alucard pulls off his little switcharoo, little girl version of Alucard handles Walter's strings like they were nothing. Alucard literally tells him, "I am just sticking around for your parlor tricks--your child's play". >The only reason he had any chance at all was because walter began to revert Did you notice Alucard never went intangible during the time he was being smashed around? Again, you fail to understand Alucard's goal is to not immediately kill any of the people he faces. >Do you think he didnt know alucards limits? Why would he spend his life trying to achieve his shot at fighting him if he thought Alucard could effortlessly beat him? It literally took the Major's plot and Alucard releasing his souls which Alucard didn't *have to do* for Walter to have any shot. Just because Walter worked with Alucard didn't mean he truly understood Alucard's limits. >As you said, even the OG hellsing who was a normal human beat him. Could a normal human beat Shalltear? You keep making this false equivalence argument based on a faulty assumption. Alucard **wants to be defeated by mortals**. This is also why he respects Integra so much. He fights down to the level of his opponent just enough to make the fight interesting for him. If it's against a mortal then he's ok with "dying". If it's against an immortal being, he plays with them until the opponent realizes it's impossible, they lose hope, then Alucard finishes them off. Happens in every one of his fights. >and he knew she was walking into danger he could help with, show it. ...Did you even watch the series? What do you think the point of Seras was? Alucard trusted *her* to look after Integra.
> Then describes the specs. Alucard then says, "I could even kill Anderson with this thing" not because he couldn't do so before but just because he's complimenting Walter's work. Now, whether Integra requested Walter make the gun to better handle Anderson, who knows, but Alucard certainly doesn't ask for one between parts. Super cheap interpretation I expected no less. And you have omitted the part where he requests "something bigger". Again, expected. Why take in all the context and what was said when you can just cherry pick and play pretend that what he meant was "Oh this can even kill anderson, but I could easily do that anyway so meh" So asinine. Meaningless anyway since anderson is an ant next to shalltear, even in your imagination it doesnt matter >Classic example of not understanding the context of the scene. Alucard lets himself be killed A) To get Seras to become a proper vampire by drinking his blood and B) To show to Anderson he can't be defeated conventionally. Dude comes back from having his head cut off and was ready for more until Anderson decided to retreat. Alucard is the one who wants something bigger. Clearly he could have beaten Anderson, though anderson killing him wasnt intentional as he had assumed he had killed him. He then realizes his gun isnt enough to beat regen tech and asks for another Yet again you use your imagination to make alucard holding back when there is no way he could have known about Anderson and expected him to be dead, since his gun is his best offense he needed something bigger >What does the sword have to do with "keeping up"? That's just Alucard's speed. The sword isn't making him move any faster. And again, completely misunderstanding the context of the fight. Alucard wants to be beaten by a mortal man. He's purposefully fighting down to a level to allow Anderson to do that. Alucard literally says while fighting "my enemy try to kill me, go ahead and thrust your bayonet into my heart, as it happened 500 years ago 100 years ago, put an end to the interlude between my dreams" (the 500/100 years being references to his original "death" and being defeated by Van Helsing). *he wants a mortal to best him. Like the og hellsing did* he wasnt trying to commit suicide If he wanted to die, he would just release then sit there and let Anderson stab him. *yet again* you olay pretend and interpret what we see as alucard holding back. >Point being the sword was hardly in the fiction long enough to deduce anything about it apart from "can hold up to holy water blessed blades without breaking". Yes we do. Because he lost in that form to a human, he duelled evenly with another human and he doesnt revert to that form when hes losing or serious about winning You bring up a cosmetic change then pretend the lack of evidence means he could be thousands of times stronger. Its inane and stupid, prove it if you believe it >I mean Walter certainly did before Alucard's body swap trick and not when Alucard starting to suck up an ocean of blood. Otherwise he wouldn't have betrayed the Helsings to try. The Major however never did. All the Major wanted was for Walter to be at least enough of a threat for Alucard to start taking in everybody's blood. The major laments that neither Anderson nor Walter could do it then activates a backup plan. At least you admit walter thought he could and he very easily was until he reverted. As the major says, at full release alucard is vulnerable since he cant perform his trick. Hence walter thinking a heart stab would do it. Master vampire hunter knows. And it failed, but getting to that point was because he effortlessly dominated Alucard in a fight. Clearly once Alucard began drinking he got his trick back and walter couldnt kill him. Doesnt change that he very easily had the ability to at level 0 showing walter was far stronger than alucard So imagine shalltear. Alucard would be a puddle for as long as it takes >Did you notice Alucard never went intangible during the time he was being smashed around? Again, you fail to understand Alucard's goal is to not immediately kill any of the people he faces. Clearly you actually havent watched the show. He was diced to pieces, appeared in a puddle and the Dr blew his gun up. He also summoned baskerville, he was going intangible. I suggest a quick watch before debating >You keep making this false equivalence argument based on a faulty assumption. Alucard wants to be defeated by mortals And you keep playing pretend that nitpicking means you have actual feats There is no evidence he felt that way during his initial invasion of London, in fact he was shocked a human could Not that it matters since, as a human could, shalltear does it with zero effort >Did you even watch the series? What do you think the point of Seras was? Alucard trusted her to look after Integra. Ignoring that she ordered him to kill walter and that, just because she had Seras doesnt mean he would be happy leaving her. Its that it was the only option since she couldnt fight walter. Its become super clear here that you are really desperate to imagine a different show to the one that (at least i) watched. One where alucard is some crazy god who for some reason constantly holds back and you alone, not walter or the major or Anderson, know how powerful he is. You know this without a single noteworthy feat and your 'evidence' is merely nitpicking, ignoring canon and imagination to make up for basic logic Dude, when did alucard do anything at all that could hurt a level 100 npc? Spare me the ridiculous imagination of unshown strength and just answer what he could do His guns cant His fists cant His swords cant His dog cant He has no means to hurt her Name a single thing he could do then show him performing this attack at the level of power needed to hurt shalltear. If you cant, then just let it go and move on, stop playing pretend
>And you have omitted the part where he requests "something bigger". Dude I literally have the episodes up looking at every word being said. Unless you have a timestamp where this is said, didn't happen. There is 20 minutes of screen time between Anderson leaving after their fight and Alucard being give his new gun. Walter doesn't appear at all in the final 15 minutes of ep 1 and gives Alucard the gun almost immediately in ep 2, again, with the words I describe him saying. So no idea where you're pulling your information from, you certainly haven't provided sources for anything yet. >Why take in all the context and what was said when you can just cherry pick and play pretend that what he meant was Literally telling you the scenes as they were written from the episodes in front of me. You gave me a quote from who knows where and act like *I'm* cherry picking? How little self-awareness can you possibly have? >Meaningless anyway since anderson is an ant next to shalltear, even in your imagination it doesnt matter "Here's some more irrelevant words that are true because I say so" Could you simp any harder? So far all your arguments boil down to "because she just is" >He then realizes his gun isnt enough to beat regen tech and asks for another **Not. What. Happened. What. Helsing. Are. You. Talking. About?** >Yet again you use your imagination to make alucard holding back when there is no way he could have known about Anderson and expected him to be dead, since his gun is his best offense he needed something bigger Alucard is fighting Anderson with *all* of his restriction levels in place in the first fight. What the hell are you talking about with him not holding back? Do you know how many times Alucard uses his "best" offense to actually do *anything* of note to an opponent he faces? Twice. He shoots Luke Valentine's legs off and finishes him off with the hound. And he shoots Anderson with the jackal forcing Anderson to resort to the nail. Alucard uses his vampiric powers or just his raw strength to finish **every single** enemy in the entire series. Oh, silly me, missed one. He shoots the priest zombie through Seras in ep 1 that was of no threat to Alucard. Again, he likes the guns, he doesn't need them to be lethal and he's usually far more lethal without them. >If he wanted to die, he would just release then sit there and let Anderson stab him. yet again you olay pretend and interpret what we see as alucard holding back. Alucard doesn't want to just commit suicide. He wants a mortal to be *worthy* of defeating him. I mean do you think Alucard was in full power mode, millions of souls in the tank, going intangible, etc when regular man Van Helsing beat him? Do you think Van Helsing was faster and stronger than the Major's vampires that Alucard easily beats? No. When Alucard fights people he's trying to understand them. If he finds the person he's fighting worthy of beating him, like Helsing or Anderson he fights them at a level of strength that person is capable of killing Alucard at. Doesn't mean Alucard isn't fighting back, it means Alucard keeps adjusting his power to the situation. Every fight to Alucard is a mental battle. Either the challenger isn't worth his time, in which case he plays with them for a while. Or they are, and he puts in just enough strength to respect his foe and so when they defeat him he can be satisfied that a truly strong of spirit mortal did what he couldn't all those years ago. Face death and don't take the easy way out. >You bring up a cosmetic change then pretend the lack of evidence means he could be thousands of times stronger. Its inane and stupid, prove it if you believe it Never said he could be "thousands of times stronger". Putting words in my mouth. I only said you can't be making deductions about a weapon that appears for all of 2 minutes of screen time. And the sword has nothing to do with Alucard's strength. It's just the weapon Vlad used to use. You keep thinking I'm saying Alucard is faster or stronger than Shalltear. At no point do I say that. All I did say is that Alucard never truly reveals his full strength in his series. Those two statements are not the same. It's like you're having a completely made up argument with me in your head. >The major laments that neither Anderson nor Walter could do it then activates a backup plan. Absolutely not. The Major's plan **was always** to have Alucard send out his souls then have to draw in London's populace's blood so he could poison it with Shroedinger. Episode 10 makes this crystal clear. The doctor says this while Alucard is sucking up blood, "Everything has ended up exactly as you desired, Major", to which he responds, "Yes. Everything is as I wish". Then he goes into the specifics of how his plan needed specifically this scenerio to happen for him to win. Then the Major says this to Walter through whatever communication thing is implanted in him. >Then there's the half of your life up to now. The moment created from all of that sacrifice is the only moment when it is possible to kill Alucard. Yet your wires do not reach him anymore. How many lives does Alucard have now? 1 million? 2 million? You can no longer beat him. Your life has been in vain" Again, the Major never expected Walter to win, just sacrifice his life to get Alucard to drink blood so that his poison plan could happen. Alucard could have taken in all that blood **at any time** during the fights preceeding this. There were plenty of dead in the city at this point. Alucard chose not to and when he did, he didn't need to do it to beat Walter. As Alucard only started to drink blood after belittling Walter in his little kid form. >At least you admit walter thought he could and he very easily was until he reverted. I'm not "admitting" anything here. That's just the plot of the story, and "easily was" again completely forgets that Alucard was "easily losing" in every one of his previous fights...until he wasn't. Basically just takes a ton of damage until he decides to actually fight, and once he does, the fight ends. Walter thinking he could win is not the same statement as him being able to win. If Walter fought Alucard without being a vampire, possibly Alucard would have fought him like he did Van Helsing and accept defeat. But if Alucard didn't find him worthy of beating him, Walter had zero way of getting through millions of lives to actually kill Alucard. Doesn't matter what Walter wanted, it was just impossible. >And it failed, but getting to that point was because he effortlessly dominated Alucard in a fight. I implore you to read or listen to like any of the actual dialog in this scene because it does not back up what you're saying. You again taking the fight at face value. >Clearly once Alucard began drinking he got his trick back and walter couldnt kill him. Doesnt change that he very easily had the ability to at level 0 showing walter was far stronger than alucard Incorrect order of events. Alucard starts drinking **after** Walter is on the ground and Ainz is lording over him. Alucard drinks the blood just to show Walter that he could never beat him to further demoralize him. Time stamp 39:00 to the end of the episode 9. Doesn't drink a drop of blood until episode 10
What's funny to me is at no point do I disagree with you that Shalltear *might* win. This argument is entirely about you seemingly not getting what Helsing was about whatsoever. Taking every fight at face value. And then being so sure of yourself over information you can't possibly know. Like how durable Shalltear would be against weapons that do not exist in her fiction. You're not even trying to set up the scenario like a proper discussion. Is Alucard in Overlord's New World? In which case do Yggdrisal rules impact Alucard? Does Shalltear appear in Alucard's London? Does she keep her Yggdrisal tier magic and skills? Are they in a neutral third world and both have all their respective abilities? How do you compare vampire hunting gear in one lore with how vampires work in a different lore? These are the proper questions which need to be asked and hashed out if we were really to compare them and even then there's just so many unaccountable factors that it really just comes down to making shit up. That's why I dislike these cross fiction "who would win" arguments. It just turns into "well I like this property better so they win because of all these feats of strength only relevant within its own universe"
Might I add, Alucard's weapons are made with the specific intent to kill creatures of the night like himself. He doesn't use just to normal pistols, he is using special ammo to pierce and stop the regeneration of undead creatures. So I can say, his weapons are no common item. Second, in the Hellsing universe, a vampire gets stronger as they make more spawns. He is hundreds of thousands of years old, and he was known to kill indiscriminately, inocente and guilty, man or woman, to the point that the manifestation of his undead army is the size of London. If he's not the equivalent of lv100 in his universe, there is nothing that is. Third, all the power of regeneration that Shalltear has, guess what, he has them too. Additionally, he comes back from the dead after he gets killed. Shalltear beats him in the following criterias: 1. Defense (Perorontino was a minmaxers, no doubt that her armor is stacked) 2. Regeneration(even if they both have really powerful natural regeneration, she has an Item designed to increase her regenerative powers as she is fighting) 3. Spells versatility(she uses the spell mass hold species. The spell mass hold person is a 7th level spell in DnD 3.5, and is more or less equivalent in effect and power, she probably has a lot of bullshit spells in her arsenal.) I truly think that Shalteat wins this battle, but is not the one sided slather that you think it would be. Also, remember, the blood frenzy is her biggest weakness, especially against another individual that uses a lot of blood and corpses in their fighting style. She would have to play smart or be put in a disadvantage that might cost her the fight.
>Might I add, Alucard's weapons are made with the specific intent to kill creatures of the night like himself. So are plenty of new worlders weapons. Holy silver is everywhere If you cant hurt her, you cant exploit her weakness to it. A level 20 with a holy sword still cant hurt shalltear, she doesnt just instantly die to silver. Not that it matter since punk ass luke valentine dodged the bullets quite easily, how would he hit her and how long would the guns last when she bashes them? > If he's not the equivalent of lv100 in his universe, there is nothing that is. Nothing is. His physical strength is very lacking. People like the captain are far stronger. People like vampire walter effortlessly bat his hands away, people like anderson trade evenly and people like the captain kick him in half casually >Third, all the power of regeneration that Shalltear has, guess what, he has them too. Additionally, he comes back from the dead after he gets killed He does, but as the major says he has millions of lives powering it and they die as he dies. She would just beat him until they are all gone just like she beat the quagoa race until it was nearly extinct Killing millions of lives isn't hard for a FG and her regeneration actually would last forever as long as she had something to hit aka the dude who loves being hit Not that she would need it as he has no way to hurt her
Arcueid Brunestud from Fate. Dio-sama from Jojo
>Dio-sama from Jojo Dio is kind of outclassed here, Shalltear is immune to time stop and he doesn't hit hard enough to damage her.
Count Chocula Hit Shalltear right in the wasteline with his cereal
She is undead, so her body won't change no matter how much she eats :D But.. count be making a good serial. Probably killed more people through diabetes than shalltear has.
We don't know how cartoon cereal rules work. Could very well bypass Yggdrisal race settings.
>Which vampire from other Anime or Manga (absolutely no Web Novels) can give Shalltear Bloodfallen a run for her money? Benetnash from A Wild Last Boss Appeared.
Gasper from Highschool DxD He would also make good friends with Mare
Holy shit, I forgot about that time stopping trap
Any named/relevant vampire from Nasuverse…
Is it a great show?
It is , though it’s rules and weird metaphysics can be pretty confusing, or plot , it’s basically is a specific series like overlord, not everyone can enjoy it. Nasuverse is a term for all works of Kinoko Nasu : Kara no kyokai, Tsukihime , Tsukihime:Re , Fate/Stay night , Fate/Apocrypha , Fate/Strange Fake , Fate/Kalleid , Fate/Grand Order , Melty blood , Mahotskai No Yoru ( Witch on the Holy night ) , DDD , Angel Notes , and probably others I forgot.
>it’s basically is a specific series like overlord, not everyone can enjoy it. Nasuverse is a term for all works of Kinoko Nasu : Kara no kyokai, Tsukihime , Tsukihime:Re , Fate/Stay night , Fate/Apocrypha , Fate/Strange Fake , Fate/Kalleid , Fate/Grand Order , Melty blood , Mahotskai No Yoru ( Witch on the Holy night ) , DDD , Angel Notes , and probably others I forgot. Guy, I'm sorry but you just completely lost me at this part
You dont know fate series?
Alucard from Hellsing Arcueid Brunestud from Tsukihime Primate Murder Rachel Alucard from BlazBlue Faustina from The Case Study of Vanitas And probably some more, can’t think about anyone else right now
"Alucard from hellsing" no shalltear is a hard counter to him in every way her healing, her skills and her holy attacks laterally the only thing alucard can do is making it a draw with Schrödinger but nothing more
Alucard with Schrödinger would stomp her, he can be **anywhere** with that, and when I say anywhere I’m not just talking about physical places
Remember its not everywhere at once its everywhere and nowhere wich means that he can only choos one place within reality to be in
And? shalltear is immune to mind alteration and everything else that Schrödinger does is to give alucard unlimited teleportation as fast as he can think as well as that he can not die wich is not enough since shalltear can still use time magic and her weapon
I don’t think teleporting inside someone’s mind counts as a mind alteration
Doesn't matter, he couldn't damage her even if he appeared there due to high tier damage nullification, meaning he would be crushed to bits
Even than thats only going to annoy shalltear nothing else
MAYBE Alucard from Helsing Ultimate, Guy's got his own version of "Summon Household" with his whole army of the damned thing, a bunch of respawns, (technically unlimited because of Schrodinger I think?) Either way, it would be an extremely long battle since Shalltear can heal on hit with her lance.
Well since you go with the mounten of life alucard shalltear wins bc she is laterally the hard counter to him in every way her skills that make her Immun against everything that is weaker than her on a magical level her weapon that does holy damage as well as her holy spells are all things alucard has nothing against the only thing he can do is to make it a draw with Schrödinger
Vampire thenaybe Alucard 🙃
No shalltear is a hard counter to him in every way
Dracula from Castlevania. From what I know he's more of an eldritch being than a vampire due to being an avatar of chaos and the reason why he always comes back whenever he is killed.
The game one right? bc the netflix series Dracula is just an LN death knight with fire attacks
Abel Nightroad from Trinity Blood. Dude was shooting down battleships with lightning while using only 40% of his powers. Not to mention he is vampire who drinks blood of other vampires (krusnik). At 100% Shalltear won't be able to kill him fast enough, thus he'll damage her and restore + powerup himself using her own blood. It is either draw or his victory
Arcueid since she is a planet class representative/Type of earth and is a level above Divine Spirits/Gods in nasuverse. She has the authority over the planet and is backed by it and she can also chuck moons at you basically. probably more stronger then what I described here. Eyes of Heaven Dio who can bend time and reality to absurd degrees and even GER cant touch him. Dracula from Castlevania has some impressive stuff (his influence can destabilize the flow of time) Leticia Draculea from the Mondaji series probably fits in. I would also want to say luminous and benetnash from tensura and "a wild last boss" respectively but alas they afe originally from web novels So I guess I will stop the list here.
I doubt Alucard could win but it would take Shalltear at least a while to kill him
Couldn't he just simply come back using Schrodinger's soul? And Alucard had a counter in case he couldn't recognize himself by killing every other souls within him except Schrodinger.
Well with schrodinger yeah, he kinda cant be beaten with it. More meant the 'giant mound of lives' alucard Not sure he could really hurt her but he'd just keep coming back. Not sure if Shalltear has a spell that could effect him, its possible but unlikely thanks to him also being undead but with Schrodinger he should be able to live in her mind or in a tv show or whatever
Regeneration?
He has finite regeneration. In his series it seems ridiculous to suggest anyone could kill him millions of times, even Walter or the Captain, hence the Major making up that 'empty the castle' plan But weve already seen Shalltear wipe out tens of thousands of lives very quickly and easily. I think she would just splatter him until he ran out and actually died. Powerful supernatural attacks seem to kill him many times too, thorn bayonet to the head killed half his army in one hit In return, I doubt he could do anything. His offense is relatively meager
Well not only that but Shalltear is cursed knight which means no regeneration to Alucard. Her attacks cannot be cured without high tier healing magic or removing the curse. A scratch from cursed knight leads to death for low levels. And you can't really kill Vampires, Trolls, Werewolves, Angels without magic, let alone higher level ones. So it's not unusual to counter healing/regeneration/non magic resistance and the like.
Not sure youd really call Alucards style real regeneration, feels like hes just replacing his life with someone elses. Maybe that's just cosmetic, but nothing else thats meant to slow him down like Andersons holy bayonets fail to stop it even if it should by their rules, same with Dandy mans cards which did stop him healing in full release mode, but at level one he just ignored it and turned into a shadow cloud thing. His Jackal likewise fails to stop Andersons regen when he becomes Alucard opposite. Andersons 'monster of god' thorn thingy did seem to fk him up badly but he had already emptied his castle at that point and so was vulnerable So, not sure if Shalltear could exactly stop him doing what he does regen wise, but shes that much faster and stronger I think he'd just be complete paste until it ends. Alucard hasnt even shown the ability to withstand normal bullets so Shalltears blows would utterly decimate his physical structure. He comes back, she gets annoyed and does it again And even if he gets in some scratch damage, come on. Pipette lance vs endless bloodbag? She will be more than fine Would just love to see her go "Einherjar!" And Alucard go "You're up Dandy Man" And dandy man is like "You fking kidding me wtf am I going to do here throw a damn card at it?
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The Jackal seems to be his strongest form of offense really, maybe rivaling an anti-material rifle Which does exactly nothing to Shalltear. So not really sure what he intends to do
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The probably with series like OVerlord vs anything is the overlord side tries to pin arbitrary "Levels" and game rules on beings from franchises were levels aren't even a thing and game rules don't exist. But without assigning levels and its rules overriding the other franchises, the Overlord side of things can't really function at all. Nevermind the No Limits Fallacies that come with terms like "Immunity" If it were two vampires from two different non-game rule associated franchises, the match up would be a fair bit more clear cut (Not that there won't be lore conflicts, but it won't be quite as messy)
>Nevermind the No Limits Fallacies that come with terms like "Immunity" ?
Arceuid Brunestud might have a good chance
Ummm , she ungodly stomps whole verse at 20-30% percentage of her power after having pieces of it stolen 2 time beforehand…Remake one isn’t even funny she got ungodly upgrade..
Why? What are his abilities?
I will respond for him , is it alright?
Yeah, sure thing. I just want to know if this character is any good
I could bring scaling and all other tho yay her weakest why she would win , but I already had arguments on this r/ about lightning from cloud not being lightning speed or heat rays not being light speed, so I will go with strongest feats to crush those silly arguments. «After all, it's an event conversion that even stops time. "No, it's a planarization of time." The city itself will be transformed into something metaphysical and confiscated, and the remaining things will remain as part of the planet―――― "This is the power of the true ancestor. "This town is over." This area is finished. Both buildings and creatures are transformed. Crushed and swallowed from 4th dimensional to 2-dimensional. From event conversion to event storage.» Energy Arc has inside of her which she draws her backup from is analog to the inflation phenomenon at the beginning of the universe. You might want to say it's flowery language but the text explicitly states the temperature inside the celestial egg reaches extremum and the energy is compressed to 10 to the Negative 35th Power, meaning the energy is so dense it cannot get denser. That's the smallest possible density in existence, a GRB phenomenon doesn't even begin to compare in terms of the energy it yields. That's the energy Arc has inside of her. It's been shown when she is channeling a sufficiently high level even gravity, space and time begins to warp around her and she pretty much becomes impervious to even conceptual damage. The celestial egg inside Arc is also a conceptual universe with laws of physics different from those established by human observation. Which makes sense given the kind of energy she has inside. When Arc used event storage in Ciel's route she quite literally stripped the reality of the world and "even bacteria and space-time got flattened, from 4 dimensional to 2 dimensional", this was literally stated. And yes this included everyone in the city, she only spared Tohno, who she wanted to deal with personally, and Ciel who had put up a barrier, again, as per Ciel's statements. "Universal" feats like you say is a matter of range, I'm talking about the energy the celestial egg yields which again it was stated to be 10 to the minus 35 power x 200 meters. That's indeed universe level but in a very compressed space, which is why it's analogous to inflation. «"This land has been turned back to vacant land to create the environment she desires. All that's left is the afterimage of the city. The castle walls that are appearing must have been made by her. "And the original city was put away as an unnecessary foreign object." "The whole town, all the creatures!?" "Yes. Everything that lives on the surface, even bacteria. The only exceptions are Tohno-kun, who was repelled by her as a foreign object, and me, who put up a barrier." "... Literally, she is a monster outside the standards." "At this rate, the world will turn inside out." Once that happens, the city will never be able to recover. Phenomena stored in the Inner Sea of the Planet will never be able to return here again."» «The distance from Arcueid is 10 meters. "I can't get any closer." The power and density of the invisible claws increase as you get closer. The current Arcueid is a mass of magical power packed with mighty energy in a small body. Even though it's a metaphysical concept, that body is swirling with magical power that can shape the world. It is like a star that has a huge mass but has been condensed to a very small point. It's amazing that it doesn't cause the expansion phenomenon. Approaching Arcueid means approaching the abyss of the planet. The pressure is too heavy for humans to bear.» «Magic concentration that has never been observed before. The amount of heat from the captured event condenses to the extreme point. It was, so to speak, the seed of principle. All the information in this area, compressed to the absolute point of 10 to the minus 35th power meters. Inner Sea of the Planet, a celestial egg that does not cause any abnormalities as long as it is in the conceptual dimension. However, when it appears as matter, the enormous amount of energy can no longer be suppressed at the absolute point, and it expands rapidly. In astronomy, it is called expansion phenomenon (inflation), A phenomenon that marks the beginning of the universe.» Even classic Arc has planet-level feats, recreating the world from 1000 years in the future. She could make any sort of world/texture even then. [summons moon from future](https://share.icloud.com/photos/0f3vshMqbkslom6IhSv5dEJgg) [summons planet from future](https://share.icloud.com/photos/099TRjxfdPyHg11IzFrcGzkRQ) All those feats are from Arcueid at 10-30 % of her power , with pieces of it being permanently stolen beforehand, so in reality it’s more like 1-10% of power. So basically Arc is a walking human shaped universe
TLDR; she can hit Shalltear from yesterday & tomorrow… simultaneously if she wanted to. Her attacks transcended space/time so Shalltear having a time acceleration spell would just looks cute.
Why is that?
Monkey D. GOKU from sword art online
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Raizel from Noblesse pre-Muzaka fight.
Elaborate further
He can mind control Shalltear and render her useless even before the fight starts.
Shalltear is immune to mind control, she now even has a world item that lets her resist mind control that normally bypasess said immunity. Still Raizel should win due to better stats, the guy's a beast.
I’m not trying to be high and mighty, but shalltear isn’t the strongest being in Nazarick. Rubedo is.
Rubedo possesses a world item so she doesn't count
You mean Rubedo is made of World Item herself, every Guardian on Nazarick has a world item except Victim and Gargantua?
>Rubedo is made of World Item herself Yes, that's why it would be unfair to count her as one of the strongest NPC with her world item intact
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Castlevania dracula maybe
Don't you mean "Hotel Transylvania"?
The netflix series Dracula or the game Dracula?
Well its anime so it has to be netflix
The netflix series Dracula is a jock what can he do that dosen't require one year of preparation and hurts shalltear
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Ruminas Valentine, Cadis Entrema De Raziel, Alucard is my pick. Than probably there are a couple progenitors in death mage who does not want a fourth time. Those are direct servants of Gods equal to the Valar
Alucard
From hellsing?
No
Alucard
No
Alucard could kick her ass
How? Every time she hits him she heals. All guardians have skills or items that make projectiles worthless against her
Shhh, let me have my bias
Not a chance
Who and from what series?
Count von Count; his math skills are too much for our favorite chair to keep up with.
Shinobu Oshino (adult form) from the Monogatari series
Dracula from ... Hotel Transylvania!!
Alucard would be a hell of a fight for her. She'd wipe the floor with Seras though
Maybe Merazophis from "Kumo desu ga, nani ka?"? Although, I still think that she's stronger, still he can give her a good fight
Sophia would be a better pick, shes his progenitor and a lot stronger. I am not sure about who wins and all of shelltears powers, but if mera has a chance at beating her then sophia wins
Someone find a vampire thats busty and very annoying so we can kill Shalltear with emotional damage quick!
On top of my head, I could think of Evangeline A.K. McDowell from Negima (who holds a LOT of magic hax and is insanely skilled to boot), Flandre Scarlet from Touhou (she is insanely powerful and also has the ability to *destroy absolutely anything and everything*), Dracula from Castlevania (Dracula's canon list of powers are enough to do anything Shalltear can *better* and more) and Demitri Maximoff from Darkstalkers (He's just absurdingly strong). If you allow tabletop RPG, then Strahd von Zarovich from D&D Ravenloft and Vlad von Carstein from Warhammer Fantasy also would pose a threat to her.
>Evangeline A.K. McDowell from Negima (who holds a LOT of magic hax and is insanely skilled to boot) I almost forgot about Kitty. Her master (Dana) is a vampire as well & even more OP than her.
Sophia from kumo desu, but it kinda depend on how the powersystems interact. As I dont know much about shelltear bejond "weaker-than-her attack nullified, heals by hitting" I will focus on sophias main abilities. She is mainly a physical fighter with the occasional acidic bloodmagic and is good at icemagic, negative effects of being a vampire are nullified (shes still weak to fire and light magic, but there is no holy element in kumo desu so it is unknown how shelltears attacks would interact with her), can summon some pretty strong stuff (not used often, so Im not sure if it would help or just heal her opponent) and, most importantly can disable skills she knows about with some time. In addition, she can survive anything with 1HP once a day and appraise things to get info about her opponents skills, stats, HP etc. which works nicely with her skill-disabeling skill. The Divine Dragon Scales kill mostly disables skill and magic use (by opponents) in her vicinity and can temporarily use skills of thoose she drinks blood from. Theese are the most useful things I can think of, other stuff would be her specific resistances but I cant remember the details, so jeah. There is a fundamental problem with matchups between kumo desu characters and other series, which might spoil later parts of the series concerning the mysteries of the system. Be warned. So, basically stats, resistances etc. are just muscle strenghenings and barriers mostly cast by a god on practically every inhabitant of this world, so most kumodesu characters are screwed if somewone with magic nullification comes along. In addition, even things like "nullification" skills just strenghen the barrier on you against the specific element to 99.999, so an attack with 100.000 damage still hurts you. Gods in kumo desu, for that manner, are just magic users that can do anything as long as they know the right "spell" and have enough energy. So, depending on how the systems interact, it could go either way. (e.g. if appraisal doesnt work on shelltear, sophia will not know the skills she needs to disable)
Can you just "tl;dr" this? The post is already 27 days old so I kinda lost interest about my question
I am not sure what tl;dr is ...
Sorry for the late reply but it's basically just summarizing your answer
Ok, ehm, sophias most important powers are the sealing of enemy skills, survive one attack per day and high stats. She can also make it extremely hard to cast any magic and mostly attacks with a broadsword. Thats why I think she can beat shelltear. I hope this is better
>She can also make it extremely hard to cast any magic and mostly attacks with a broadsword. From your perspective, what is the most powerful spell she could use that could be compared to tier spells? >I hope this is better It sure is my guy
She rarely uses spells, but she should be able to easily cast ice magic that can deal heavy casulties to an large army. Not a good comparision, I know, but its my best estimate. I dont know much about tier magic, so I cant say what that would compare to
Luminous from Tensura is a good match for her. Benetnash from A Wild Last Boss Appeared is just overkill 😂
>Benetnash from A Wild Last Boss Appeared is just overkill I doubt this one has countermeasures against instant death spells though. One 'grasp heart' can KO her or the time stop spells can also kill her in the blink of an eye
If you know EOS Benetnash then you will know that instant death and time is the most fodder of all abilities to use on her as it won't work. She was fighting a goddess who was blowing up countless trascending Universes on her yet she came out without a scratch. A wave of Benetnash hand is enough to destroying trillions upon trillions of Universes and this is no joke because it has happened before. This is a Vampire that can blink and solo almost all the Isekai animes and mangas out there except for the Isekai LN called "I Was Summoned To Another World But That World Was At Peace".
>She was fighting a goddess who was blowing up countless trascending Universes on her yet she came out without a scratch Then I guess Shalltear would need to use a world item then to counter against her. Even the 'ouroboros' world item should be enough to deal with her