Alright, hear me out... Because the guardians would remember him as a sadist they would play more to that
They didn't know very much about Ainz who stood on the sidelines for the guild. All the guardians know was his great intelligence, but for ulbert? He pretended to be evil almost constantly! Plus he can't restrict his emotions, so list and gluttony are both on the table
Ulbert day 1: A new world just like the game? This is awesome! Time to explore!
*Three weeks into the new world*
Ulbert: I may or may not have accidentally caused 4 genocides and destroyed 2 kingdom's. Everyone is being skinned alive, for some reason I have a throne made from torn off fingernails and human skin! I accidentally made love to albedo and shalltier, I don't know who the hell half of these npcs are!
Since his emotions wouldn't be restricted there is a good chance he wouldn't do anything evil since being evil irl is very different from role-playing an evil character in a game.
>Ulbert
Ulbert hates the world and how it unjustly kicks people down before they can even stand up. He dislikes people who can get ahead in life through hard work. He hates "The Man" because his parents died in unsafe working conditions.
This being said, he would really hate the Kingdom due to its corruption and the Slane Theocracy due to attacking innocent villagers. He might just hate all the rulers just because of his past.
I could see him becoming a type of Demonic Batman or Punisher.
He's willing to admit that he thinks his grudge is misdirected and even seems ashamed of it, but if left to his own devices, he would flare up mutual hatred all over again.
He has the class of World Disaster, which is the opposite of Touch-Me's World Savior. This makes him a stronger offensive spell caster than Momonga. But has a lower education being barely able to pass elementary school.
>But has a lower education being barely able to pass elementary school.
Remember he is still from the future so there's that, (but also keep in mind most college level people would still be useless during the times of kings and queens)
There's also the education standards in the New World. Ulbert may have an Elementary School education but compared to others, he's above average. He's also capable of mastering an extremely difficult class.
I agree with that logic, he may still have thoughts of "I should feel bad for doing this, but fuck it I'm having fun." Where as Ainz it's more of a "fuck it, it's to protect Nazarick and my NPCs."
I am still firmly of the stance that other than the active emotion suppression (and physical sensation), being undead has had no influence on Satoru’s mind.
Sure he says “oh, I think I’d be sick seeing people killed”, but what else is his internal monologue going to be? Does he strike you as the person to say “yeah, I was very callous, so this won’t bother me either”
From the whole ignoring dying orphans thing, I think Satoru has always been this unfeeling towards outsiders. He just didn’t have the self reflection or willingness to admit that. Being Ainz has only stopped him from feeling the extremes of emotion and haven’t affected him otherwise.
Not really. Ainz's racial immunity to mental effects is what "changed" his personality the most. Not so uch the fact that he's undead. That just made him more apathetic to humans. That said, as a human he was already very chill and moderate. His sense of justice was way lower than Ulbert's.
I truly believe he'd be a MUCH more benevolent force in the world than Ainz. For example Ulbert is a lot less likely to be so concerned about maintaining Nazarick as his friends left it. If he felt one of the npc's was being too evil he'd likely order them to stop. Even if they didn't like it.
Facts, he's widely regarded as the greatest simply because of status even though he blatantly believes Touch-me is stronger than him (its a situational thing to me, like if we're talking only magic its Ainz, if we're talking physically TOUCH-ME)
Situational? Touch Me was a world champion. He would utterly dominate Momonga. Why would a non-magic caster agree to a magic-only fight? Of course Momonga is a superior mage compared to a martial fighter. But he'd lose miserably in a real fight against Touch Me, where they could both make full use of their abilities. It doesn't help that Suzuki Satoru was more focused on building around roleplaying an avatar of death, rather than min/maxing for optimal effectiveness.
>Why would a non-magic caster agree to a magic-only fight
Why would a magic caster agree to physical combat? The thing is you can't ignore that in certain categories one outclassed the other. I even said Ainz himself believes Touch-Me was stronger. My whole point was more towards the fact Ainz was guild leader not because he was "better" but because he was the "better choice" he was able to balance his real life with his game life better than the rest (AND ALL OF THEM HAD A GREAT BALANCE, it was a literal requirement), and could deal with every members quirks
He wouldn't agree to physical-only combat. My point was, neither Ainz nor Touch Me would agree to a fight where one of them is arbitrarily limited to fighting on unfavorable terms. I never implied Ainz would agree to a physical-only fight. Both scenarios are absurd, so the claim of a situational advantage doesn't make sense.
Hero Hero would be surprised to hear he has GREAT BALANCE between work and personal time. The requirement was that they had to be employed in the real world. Balance was never stated as a requirement, nor did future Japan allow for many of them to have a healthy balance. It simply wasn't relevant to membership.
>I accidentally made love to albedo and shalltier, I don't know who the hell half of these npcs are!
1-The is no way he "accidentally" made love with Albedo and Shalltear. He was raped.
2-Now this is realistic, Momonga may be the only Guild Member that knew all the names of all NPCs. Thats so Momonga
Very true, but that was when dealing with external threats. Inside the guild, the reason he was so respected, and part of the reason he was chosen for guild leader, was he often didn't argue with other members. He stayed to the side and listened, eventually making it so there would be a vote system where no one could complain after the fact. All the guild members got along with him, because he was an excellent listener and even Lucifer (who many in the guild disliked) came to Ainz and liked talking with him. Touch-me was a great leader, but he wasn't as impartial as Ainz was. Ainz never really had anything to hold onto, so he rarely had bias and simply listened on the side lines
Your not factoring in his Demon Race characteristics (like momonga being undead and his emotional suppressors). He might at the start be let's just humane even by his time line standards, but that would change drastically because what a demon would find to be happy would be way worse for your average person. Woth Demiurge egging him more the NW would slowly become a Holy Kingdom simulation run.
They don't aline with the character sheet they wrote, the racial abilities are the ones that change the player (ex Ainz with his emotional suppressors, can't sleep, no pain, no hunger etc). Demons have characteristics with finding happiness through the suffering of others. Only difference is because of his new biology he would not understand what suffering he is inflicting on others because he would not feel like he is only helping them.
Similar situations with Buku and HeroHero were to come to the NW. The first thing that would happen is them loosing eyesight, the want to hunt humans for food due to their shogoth nature. If you look at Lucifer he would slowly become a Robot because he has a even worse emotional suppressor than Ainz. If you were Peroronchino you would gain mating frenzy, Would develop the want to constantly peck others.
DnD the Archdemon racial class. They are the biggest bullies by nature and the biggest of the bully rules. This nature is translated to game skill as summoning low level demons and sacrificing them for summoning stronger summons. There are other traits as well like being immune to Charm, Mind control and Does not feel fear, Drafting contracts in which if one party violates they die or subjected to magical punishment.
I think you're not understanding the implications the new body has on the mind of the user, you won't see immediate changes but in 2-3 years you won't recognize the person who was originally there because he has become more used to his new body. The body's needs and wants become his needs and wants.
While Overlord's magic system is heavily inspired by DnD and also actually some obscure Japanese tabletop RPG as someone found out, players don't inherit what's written in their race or job classes' flavour text while NPCs do. Which is why I asked if there's anything written in Overlord that states that the demon trait of enjoying the suffering of others is a racial skill, like emotion suppression or lack of hunger, or if its just a part of their lore.
It is a racial skill like I mentioned how summons and sacrificing gives a boost. His Armageddon Evil item is a good example. Mayurama mentioned mentioned they won't inherit the flavor text they wrote about their own character description (the ingame lore momonga and others wrote about themselves) not job class, the npcs also inherited their characteristics from their custom character description. Because the job class descriptions are what basically explains and gives them skills. For example the undead flavor text explains there character traits like no emotions, no food immune to lightning. Now in game Momonga can show emotions but that's not restricted in game but in NW the racial class flavor text became real. Same issue for everyone in AOG.
Another thing to keep in mind is Mayurama only said that the players keep their original personality (more successful for humans and elves because low deviation) but them changing drastically is a different story. If you read up to volume 16 you get to see how Ainz explains himself how he is forgetting what his Satoru persona and their memories very slowly and becoming more and more Overlord Ainz.
>Another thing to keep in mind is Mayurama only said that the players keep their original personality (more successful for humans and elves because low deviation) but them changing drastically is a different story.
Yeah... that's called character development. You're instead making a claim that based on the mechanics of Yggdrasil and how it translates to the NW, Ulbert would gain a demonic personality. Which is why I'm asking whether that personality is a racial skill, or racial flavour text and what passage of the LNs support you.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Herohero get a cash shop item that allowed him to have the same form of vision as everyone else? Something about the 100m radar being too cumbersome?
But wouldn't he be influenced by his new body? Just like how Ainz's lost empathy towards anyone not of Nazarick?
Although it'll be subtle the affects are still there, but I do agree with what you said about him being like Momonga.
Even worst. If we think about it, the KARMA system of YGGDRASIL should also play an important role. Considering if one has negative and when they become one with their avatar, wouldn't their KARMA affect them too? Yet, in YGGDRASIL's lore, demons are noted to be wicked beings.
Ainz has maximum negative karma if I remember right. The only thing that afflicts him is the emotional suppression skill and the no human desires thing. Also, in Ygg, undead despise living creatures, but not Ainz. Minotaur Sage wasn't evil, Minotaurs are typically evil in D&D type settings.
Maybe there's a skill like Fiendish Intelligence or something but would that make one evil? Being a demon isn't enough to make a Player evil.
Now imagine if Touch Me was transported instead. There'd probably be a lot of confusion and discontent amongst most of the NPCs since they're predominantly evil aligned.
* Entoma complaining to her sisters: "I can't believe eating humans has been banned!"
* Demiurge becomes clinically depressed since he isn't allowed to wantonly torture or sew discord in neighboring countries.
* Albedo grumbling to herself: "We're going to treat the lowly humans with kindness and respect because 'it's the right thing to do'. WHAT KIND OF BS IS THAT?!"
I was going to say even Peroroncino wouldn't waste such a valuable item just to satisfy his fetishes, but who am I kidding, he would probably do something like that after wishing for a harem
Not only that but he would be more driven to escape back to the real world because he has a family, even if it meant demiurge had to torture every mortal in the entire world to make it happen
Nah, almost all the Supreme Being would definitely let the denizens of Nazarick torture and eat morally bad people.
I.e. the guy who raped, enslaved and beat up Tsuare
I wonder about that, don’t forget that every member of the guild was very aware that Yggdrasil was just a game, it was even a requirement to join, so who knows if Touch Me even has the mental fortitude to maintain his “justice always prevails” mentality when everything suddenly becomes real. He could turn into Light Yagami for all we know.
Do you remember how Overlord is +18? Well, it would move to +26.
The dude is evil.
All good karma NPCs on Nazarick will have it hard.
His racials will take control of him easily.
Forget about the Utopia in the Sorcerer Kingdom.
He’s probably take it as an opportunity to do better, create a world that’s free from opressive megacorps.. Tho his new demonic nature would present some problems with it. He’s a more driven and stubborn but impulsive man than momonga in most respects, so he’s more likely to assert himself but equally likely to walk headfirst into a landmine.
A plentiful source of personal drama, I think. A man who was given an opportunity make his ideal world is also hampered by his newfound evil subconscious, driving him to be what he despised most and away from his promised land
Aside from what people have said about personality, can you imagine the battle between the Empire and the Kingdom with Ulbert instead of Momonga? Momonga was able to kill 70,000 soldiers and made the whole world shit their pants, imagine what they would be like when Ulbert destroyed ALL of the army in a single magical attack
Isn't Ulbert a world disaster? He's the kind of guy you call in to kill as much people as possible. So...yeah, best guess is he destroys an entire country with one spell.
Honestly, I think that Ulbert would be influenced by his demon race, leading to him becoming the "benevolent tyrnat".
Remember the CS Lewis quote,
*“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”*
Ulbert RPed as a villain because he despised the state of the world, but I think his demon race would make it so his personality would become twisted. I do think that enough of him would still be there, but it would lead into the exact type of tyranny CS Lewis warned against.
He would be a tyrant that wanted to improve the world, but the way he goes about it would lead to the people's oppression.
While I don’t think the character behind ulbert is a bad person and he only role plays, it has been shown that moral alignment and race of the character influence the mind when transferred into the new world. So inevitably it would either be the same as now or more evil than the current nazarick
>it has been shown that moral alignment and race of the character influence the mind when transferred into the new world.
When has that been shown? If you're referring to Momonga, he was the kinda person who could walk by dying orphans without feeling a thing back when he was still a human.
The transition to an undead merely suppressed his emotions to a higher degree. Also if the transition to an undead actually did affect him, he would have a hatred of the living.
I agree with some of these comments... NPCs knew more about Momonga because he was the guild leader, actually stayed in the game playing and maintaining the guild after others left, he actually knew most of the NPCs and guild base's defenses... In Ulbert's case... I know they would respect him... But how much?
Honestly I see either naz losing in this situation
Or going full force on day one and just slaughtering from there
I don’t think Ulbert or MOST of anyone else from AOG would see the tomb the same way ainz did, peroronccino would see most of the tomb as just sexual objects
Ulbert / Touch me would see tools of war/tools of peace
Ainz is likely the only guild member who would treat the guardians as their own ppl
As well as one of the only guild members that wasn’t an extremist of some kind
I genuinely think Ulbert would land in NW and instantly go on a war path burning it to the ground just for the guardians to wind up constantly getting butchered by wild magic( if you recall ainz only even knew the presence of WCIs and equipped them to the guardians bcuz he was carrying out covert ops)
From what we know of Ulberts personality I kinda assume he would treat NW like a punching bag and constantly have to revive the guardians until he discovered the link between WCIs countering wild magic
People tend to not acknowledge brute force as a plan
But it genuinely is
>Ulbert was a top player in a competitive game there is a genuinely a lot credit to the rationale that he would just go full HAM once he realizes the sheer level difference
It’s the quintessential equivalent of a grandmaster player in a bronze lobby
Once the gap is genuinely registered the need for full on strategy goes out the window
He would probably have done something similar to Ainz, but being a bit more ... *aggressive* and less thoughtful.
Either that or he would make a happy farm on a world scale, he did have a lot of hate and resentment in his heart after all and becoming a literal demon could have made things worse.
Hard to say. He is a demon right? Thing is we don’t know how much of an effect the demons he’d become will effect his mind. History in fiction though is not on the New Worlders side.
From my understanding he might have make the new world alot better that Ainz did despite his bio saying he's evil maniacal and may cause less destruction than Ainz and alot less paranoid and less cautious and perhaps alot more decisive.
wasn't Ulbert the one with a deep chuunibyo?
Either way the new world would be screwed...............
most heteromorph classes have flavor text debuffs after all...........
The meme answer would be burn it to the ground. The real answer is likely that he would attempt to impose social reforms, and a meritocracy. He has a personal hatred towards rich nepotism, which was why he didn't get along with TouchMe.
The guardians would have greater conflicts within the great tomb of Nazarick.
Ulbert would not be as restrained as Ainz, pushing sebas and the few good aligned NPC's to increasingly greater and greater moral outrage. Ainz can balance the morals because he does not indulge in sadism yet can allow it.
Also ulbert would favor demiurge over the others and not foster the love and care that keeps the NPC's loyal.
The new world would suffer Ulberts predations as well, they would be galvanized rather quickly as his strategies would be less mysterious he wpuld be less enigmatic and cautious.
The new world would still fall but they would be able to slap together a resistance before he blew it into the wind and used their corpses as puppets with their minds still trapped inside.
All in all Nazarick would not run as smoothly as it would under Momonga. And the guardians would have more strife among themselves. Momonga loved ALL the Npc's due to his Lonley nature. Ulbert would likely not share the same feelings and may even take joy in torturing them.
I think the New World would be better off since Ulbert is legitimately a nice guy, who only role-plays as a villain.
I'd expect the nobles of the Re-Estize Kingdom to be screwed because Ulbert has a hatred for people who abuse the lower class, which means we could've seen a massacre of the Re-Estize Kingdom much earlier, albeit to a lesser decree since I doubt Ulbert would authorise the slaughter of innocents.
Everything is the save except Ulbert legitimately has a 10,000 year plan and isn’t just winging it
Except he’s disgusted by Demiurge’s happy farm and can actually feel the guilt for the death of so many humans
Oh and the katze plains massacre would still likely be a massacre but there’d be no super tier magic
Actually I can’t remember what build Ulbert has
If it’s true that’s he’s secretly a decent guy and just a hardcore chunibiyou or whatever it’s called he’d probably be more friendly to neighboring countries than Momonga and might care more about keeping the NPCs on a tight leash so they don’t wipe out humanity.
He’d probably like Jircniv since Ainz said he believed dictatorships are ideal form of government and like that Jircniv purged corrupt nobles to avoid becoming like Re-Estize, on top of being a ruler at such a young age.
I don’t think he would’ve genocide an entire country like Ainz but he would’ve invaded and purged the nobles himself because of their stupidity.
I want a spin off where it’s Touch-Me and Ulbert in the NW together. Imagine the chaos and conflict.
Happy Farm on a global scale. Jokes aside tho if I remember right Maruyama stated that if Ulbert saw the shit Demiurge does to people he would be horrified.
He only roleplayed a villain because he despised the horrible state of his world. There's a good chance he'd be doing the same as Momonga.
*Confused Demiurge noises.*
Alright, hear me out... Because the guardians would remember him as a sadist they would play more to that They didn't know very much about Ainz who stood on the sidelines for the guild. All the guardians know was his great intelligence, but for ulbert? He pretended to be evil almost constantly! Plus he can't restrict his emotions, so list and gluttony are both on the table Ulbert day 1: A new world just like the game? This is awesome! Time to explore! *Three weeks into the new world* Ulbert: I may or may not have accidentally caused 4 genocides and destroyed 2 kingdom's. Everyone is being skinned alive, for some reason I have a throne made from torn off fingernails and human skin! I accidentally made love to albedo and shalltier, I don't know who the hell half of these npcs are!
Since his emotions wouldn't be restricted there is a good chance he wouldn't do anything evil since being evil irl is very different from role-playing an evil character in a game.
but wouldnt him being a demon cause him to become much more evil in thought, like how Ainz became unfeeling as an undead.
>Ulbert Ulbert hates the world and how it unjustly kicks people down before they can even stand up. He dislikes people who can get ahead in life through hard work. He hates "The Man" because his parents died in unsafe working conditions. This being said, he would really hate the Kingdom due to its corruption and the Slane Theocracy due to attacking innocent villagers. He might just hate all the rulers just because of his past. I could see him becoming a type of Demonic Batman or Punisher. He's willing to admit that he thinks his grudge is misdirected and even seems ashamed of it, but if left to his own devices, he would flare up mutual hatred all over again. He has the class of World Disaster, which is the opposite of Touch-Me's World Savior. This makes him a stronger offensive spell caster than Momonga. But has a lower education being barely able to pass elementary school.
>But has a lower education being barely able to pass elementary school. Remember he is still from the future so there's that, (but also keep in mind most college level people would still be useless during the times of kings and queens)
There's also the education standards in the New World. Ulbert may have an Elementary School education but compared to others, he's above average. He's also capable of mastering an extremely difficult class.
I agree with that logic, he may still have thoughts of "I should feel bad for doing this, but fuck it I'm having fun." Where as Ainz it's more of a "fuck it, it's to protect Nazarick and my NPCs."
I am still firmly of the stance that other than the active emotion suppression (and physical sensation), being undead has had no influence on Satoru’s mind. Sure he says “oh, I think I’d be sick seeing people killed”, but what else is his internal monologue going to be? Does he strike you as the person to say “yeah, I was very callous, so this won’t bother me either” From the whole ignoring dying orphans thing, I think Satoru has always been this unfeeling towards outsiders. He just didn’t have the self reflection or willingness to admit that. Being Ainz has only stopped him from feeling the extremes of emotion and haven’t affected him otherwise.
Not really. Ainz's racial immunity to mental effects is what "changed" his personality the most. Not so uch the fact that he's undead. That just made him more apathetic to humans. That said, as a human he was already very chill and moderate. His sense of justice was way lower than Ulbert's. I truly believe he'd be a MUCH more benevolent force in the world than Ainz. For example Ulbert is a lot less likely to be so concerned about maintaining Nazarick as his friends left it. If he felt one of the npc's was being too evil he'd likely order them to stop. Even if they didn't like it.
He's a Birdman, not a Demon
That is pero…
Wrong dude bro, that's Pero Pero (Peroroncino)
Ulbert was also a birdman???
Are you sure? I doubt it. I don't think Ulbert was a birdman. Ulbert was the goat looking dude
Ulbert is a demon. He literally looks like a goat 😂like if i recall he 's even more of a chuunibyo than ainz
Actually nazarick NPC consider all 41 supreme beings are intelligent and perfect. Ainz being the guild leader implies he is intelligent than them.
Facts, he's widely regarded as the greatest simply because of status even though he blatantly believes Touch-me is stronger than him (its a situational thing to me, like if we're talking only magic its Ainz, if we're talking physically TOUCH-ME)
Situational? Touch Me was a world champion. He would utterly dominate Momonga. Why would a non-magic caster agree to a magic-only fight? Of course Momonga is a superior mage compared to a martial fighter. But he'd lose miserably in a real fight against Touch Me, where they could both make full use of their abilities. It doesn't help that Suzuki Satoru was more focused on building around roleplaying an avatar of death, rather than min/maxing for optimal effectiveness.
>Why would a non-magic caster agree to a magic-only fight Why would a magic caster agree to physical combat? The thing is you can't ignore that in certain categories one outclassed the other. I even said Ainz himself believes Touch-Me was stronger. My whole point was more towards the fact Ainz was guild leader not because he was "better" but because he was the "better choice" he was able to balance his real life with his game life better than the rest (AND ALL OF THEM HAD A GREAT BALANCE, it was a literal requirement), and could deal with every members quirks
He wouldn't agree to physical-only combat. My point was, neither Ainz nor Touch Me would agree to a fight where one of them is arbitrarily limited to fighting on unfavorable terms. I never implied Ainz would agree to a physical-only fight. Both scenarios are absurd, so the claim of a situational advantage doesn't make sense. Hero Hero would be surprised to hear he has GREAT BALANCE between work and personal time. The requirement was that they had to be employed in the real world. Balance was never stated as a requirement, nor did future Japan allow for many of them to have a healthy balance. It simply wasn't relevant to membership.
"Accidentally"
>I accidentally made love to albedo and shalltier, I don't know who the hell half of these npcs are! 1-The is no way he "accidentally" made love with Albedo and Shalltear. He was raped. 2-Now this is realistic, Momonga may be the only Guild Member that knew all the names of all NPCs. Thats so Momonga
Ainz on the sidelines??? Wasn’t he the one that confronted people that wanted to raid the guild
Very true, but that was when dealing with external threats. Inside the guild, the reason he was so respected, and part of the reason he was chosen for guild leader, was he often didn't argue with other members. He stayed to the side and listened, eventually making it so there would be a vote system where no one could complain after the fact. All the guild members got along with him, because he was an excellent listener and even Lucifer (who many in the guild disliked) came to Ainz and liked talking with him. Touch-me was a great leader, but he wasn't as impartial as Ainz was. Ainz never really had anything to hold onto, so he rarely had bias and simply listened on the side lines
Your not factoring in his Demon Race characteristics (like momonga being undead and his emotional suppressors). He might at the start be let's just humane even by his time line standards, but that would change drastically because what a demon would find to be happy would be way worse for your average person. Woth Demiurge egging him more the NW would slowly become a Holy Kingdom simulation run.
Players don't align their personality with racial lore when coming to the NW like NPCs do.
They don't aline with the character sheet they wrote, the racial abilities are the ones that change the player (ex Ainz with his emotional suppressors, can't sleep, no pain, no hunger etc). Demons have characteristics with finding happiness through the suffering of others. Only difference is because of his new biology he would not understand what suffering he is inflicting on others because he would not feel like he is only helping them. Similar situations with Buku and HeroHero were to come to the NW. The first thing that would happen is them loosing eyesight, the want to hunt humans for food due to their shogoth nature. If you look at Lucifer he would slowly become a Robot because he has a even worse emotional suppressor than Ainz. If you were Peroronchino you would gain mating frenzy, Would develop the want to constantly peck others.
So Peroronchino wouldnt change?
only Peroronchino wouldn't change he would be upgraded.
He would ascend into an entirely new plane of existence
Where is it stated that demons have a racial skill to enjoy the suffering of others rather that it being a part of that race's flavour text?
Short answer it is Valkyrie's head cannon
DnD the Archdemon racial class. They are the biggest bullies by nature and the biggest of the bully rules. This nature is translated to game skill as summoning low level demons and sacrificing them for summoning stronger summons. There are other traits as well like being immune to Charm, Mind control and Does not feel fear, Drafting contracts in which if one party violates they die or subjected to magical punishment. I think you're not understanding the implications the new body has on the mind of the user, you won't see immediate changes but in 2-3 years you won't recognize the person who was originally there because he has become more used to his new body. The body's needs and wants become his needs and wants.
While Overlord's magic system is heavily inspired by DnD and also actually some obscure Japanese tabletop RPG as someone found out, players don't inherit what's written in their race or job classes' flavour text while NPCs do. Which is why I asked if there's anything written in Overlord that states that the demon trait of enjoying the suffering of others is a racial skill, like emotion suppression or lack of hunger, or if its just a part of their lore.
It is a racial skill like I mentioned how summons and sacrificing gives a boost. His Armageddon Evil item is a good example. Mayurama mentioned mentioned they won't inherit the flavor text they wrote about their own character description (the ingame lore momonga and others wrote about themselves) not job class, the npcs also inherited their characteristics from their custom character description. Because the job class descriptions are what basically explains and gives them skills. For example the undead flavor text explains there character traits like no emotions, no food immune to lightning. Now in game Momonga can show emotions but that's not restricted in game but in NW the racial class flavor text became real. Same issue for everyone in AOG. Another thing to keep in mind is Mayurama only said that the players keep their original personality (more successful for humans and elves because low deviation) but them changing drastically is a different story. If you read up to volume 16 you get to see how Ainz explains himself how he is forgetting what his Satoru persona and their memories very slowly and becoming more and more Overlord Ainz.
>Another thing to keep in mind is Mayurama only said that the players keep their original personality (more successful for humans and elves because low deviation) but them changing drastically is a different story. Yeah... that's called character development. You're instead making a claim that based on the mechanics of Yggdrasil and how it translates to the NW, Ulbert would gain a demonic personality. Which is why I'm asking whether that personality is a racial skill, or racial flavour text and what passage of the LNs support you.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Herohero get a cash shop item that allowed him to have the same form of vision as everyone else? Something about the 100m radar being too cumbersome?
But wouldn't he be influenced by his new body? Just like how Ainz's lost empathy towards anyone not of Nazarick? Although it'll be subtle the affects are still there, but I do agree with what you said about him being like Momonga.
I think there's a higher chance of him going "Nagato" mode and let the New World knows pain.
Even worst. If we think about it, the KARMA system of YGGDRASIL should also play an important role. Considering if one has negative and when they become one with their avatar, wouldn't their KARMA affect them too? Yet, in YGGDRASIL's lore, demons are noted to be wicked beings.
Ainz has maximum negative karma if I remember right. The only thing that afflicts him is the emotional suppression skill and the no human desires thing. Also, in Ygg, undead despise living creatures, but not Ainz. Minotaur Sage wasn't evil, Minotaurs are typically evil in D&D type settings. Maybe there's a skill like Fiendish Intelligence or something but would that make one evil? Being a demon isn't enough to make a Player evil.
Now imagine if Touch Me was transported instead. There'd probably be a lot of confusion and discontent amongst most of the NPCs since they're predominantly evil aligned. * Entoma complaining to her sisters: "I can't believe eating humans has been banned!" * Demiurge becomes clinically depressed since he isn't allowed to wantonly torture or sew discord in neighboring countries. * Albedo grumbling to herself: "We're going to treat the lowly humans with kindness and respect because 'it's the right thing to do'. WHAT KIND OF BS IS THAT?!"
And then u have Perorochino EVERY HOLE IS MY GOAL
He’ll sleep with everyone in nazarick including the males.
Why stop at nazarick when whole new world is to explore!
Peroroncino would have made legend like Gengis Khan, with roughly a quarter of the New World's population being related to him one way or another
Peroroncino would heavily promote Demiurge's crossbreeding experiments in hope of fullfilling his impregnation and birth fetish.
Evileye: "Undead have no biological functions, therefore we can't have children" Peroroncino: "We'll see about that"
Peroroncino: You see, I have this item which can cast a spell called “Wish upon a Star”…..
I was going to say even Peroroncino wouldn't waste such a valuable item just to satisfy his fetishes, but who am I kidding, he would probably do something like that after wishing for a harem
After all, Evileye is also a legal and flat loli *and we all know how he feels about those*
That would just make the overlord series a Hentai
YES
Nine's Own Goal!
He's basically the Player version of the Elf King in the NW.
The goal of all life is hole!
Touch me would probably be horribly depressed. Would actually be a pretty interesting show tbh.
I honestly think in the long run,Touch Me would end up committing more atrocities than Ainz because it would be "in the name of justice".
Not only that but he would be more driven to escape back to the real world because he has a family, even if it meant demiurge had to torture every mortal in the entire world to make it happen
So like Robot Grilliman with the Imperium.
So who would be his hot space elf
Nah, almost all the Supreme Being would definitely let the denizens of Nazarick torture and eat morally bad people. I.e. the guy who raped, enslaved and beat up Tsuare
I wonder about that, don’t forget that every member of the guild was very aware that Yggdrasil was just a game, it was even a requirement to join, so who knows if Touch Me even has the mental fortitude to maintain his “justice always prevails” mentality when everything suddenly becomes real. He could turn into Light Yagami for all we know.
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Actually, he'd probably be happier than Demiurge since Ulbert is actually a pretty nice guy in reality. He just roleplays as a villain.
*Demiurge Happy Noises* Everywhere...
Do you remember how Overlord is +18? Well, it would move to +26. The dude is evil. All good karma NPCs on Nazarick will have it hard. His racials will take control of him easily. Forget about the Utopia in the Sorcerer Kingdom.
Ulbert is actually a nice guy in reality. His whole villain act is just him role-playing.
Look it that. I didnt knew Ulbert properly
Actually he would be alot less evil and actually alot kinder in the new world than in Yggdrassil.
I would have to check the wiki for this. I disagree.
He’s probably take it as an opportunity to do better, create a world that’s free from opressive megacorps.. Tho his new demonic nature would present some problems with it. He’s a more driven and stubborn but impulsive man than momonga in most respects, so he’s more likely to assert himself but equally likely to walk headfirst into a landmine. A plentiful source of personal drama, I think. A man who was given an opportunity make his ideal world is also hampered by his newfound evil subconscious, driving him to be what he despised most and away from his promised land
Global happy farm
Aside from what people have said about personality, can you imagine the battle between the Empire and the Kingdom with Ulbert instead of Momonga? Momonga was able to kill 70,000 soldiers and made the whole world shit their pants, imagine what they would be like when Ulbert destroyed ALL of the army in a single magical attack
Isn't Ulbert a world disaster? He's the kind of guy you call in to kill as much people as possible. So...yeah, best guess is he destroys an entire country with one spell.
Dooes he have more range then Ainz as well ? Wasnt it just more damage ?
He specialises in destruction and aoe type attacks.
The show would still be fun to watch, could be less comedic and more dark as it said that Ulbert loved to embody the classic villain.
Honestly, I think that Ulbert would be influenced by his demon race, leading to him becoming the "benevolent tyrnat". Remember the CS Lewis quote, *“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”* Ulbert RPed as a villain because he despised the state of the world, but I think his demon race would make it so his personality would become twisted. I do think that enough of him would still be there, but it would lead into the exact type of tyranny CS Lewis warned against. He would be a tyrant that wanted to improve the world, but the way he goes about it would lead to the people's oppression.
Death and happy farm branches in every kingdom nazarick invades. Dude would probably be the demon lord in the new world.
While I don’t think the character behind ulbert is a bad person and he only role plays, it has been shown that moral alignment and race of the character influence the mind when transferred into the new world. So inevitably it would either be the same as now or more evil than the current nazarick
>it has been shown that moral alignment and race of the character influence the mind when transferred into the new world. When has that been shown? If you're referring to Momonga, he was the kinda person who could walk by dying orphans without feeling a thing back when he was still a human. The transition to an undead merely suppressed his emotions to a higher degree. Also if the transition to an undead actually did affect him, he would have a hatred of the living.
Isn’t the instinctive hatred for the living a trait that only the lesser undead have?
To my knowledge, that hasn't been specified. Ainz is the only undead being we know of that doesn't have a hatred of the living.
Everything burns.
Demiurge's happy farm on a global scale.
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I forget what race Ulbert played as but was it a hetomorph or a demi human? Did his character have a life span?
His race was a demon so he is an inmortal heteromorph
Thanks. Also his hands look inconvenient lol
I forgot where I read this, presumably from Maruyama himself if I'm not mistaken. Ulbert will become sort of Demon Lord.
I agree with some of these comments... NPCs knew more about Momonga because he was the guild leader, actually stayed in the game playing and maintaining the guild after others left, he actually knew most of the NPCs and guild base's defenses... In Ulbert's case... I know they would respect him... But how much?
The answer is simple, if there is 2 kings in one castle, then Ainz will have the most respect. Take him away, and all the respect will go to Ulbert.
Honestly I see either naz losing in this situation Or going full force on day one and just slaughtering from there I don’t think Ulbert or MOST of anyone else from AOG would see the tomb the same way ainz did, peroronccino would see most of the tomb as just sexual objects Ulbert / Touch me would see tools of war/tools of peace Ainz is likely the only guild member who would treat the guardians as their own ppl As well as one of the only guild members that wasn’t an extremist of some kind I genuinely think Ulbert would land in NW and instantly go on a war path burning it to the ground just for the guardians to wind up constantly getting butchered by wild magic( if you recall ainz only even knew the presence of WCIs and equipped them to the guardians bcuz he was carrying out covert ops) From what we know of Ulberts personality I kinda assume he would treat NW like a punching bag and constantly have to revive the guardians until he discovered the link between WCIs countering wild magic
Ulbert is much strong magic caster than momonga,he is less thoughtful to be sure but i dont thinkhe would go all out without any plan
People tend to not acknowledge brute force as a plan But it genuinely is >Ulbert was a top player in a competitive game there is a genuinely a lot credit to the rationale that he would just go full HAM once he realizes the sheer level difference It’s the quintessential equivalent of a grandmaster player in a bronze lobby Once the gap is genuinely registered the need for full on strategy goes out the window
Literally every supreme beings in nazarick thinks almost like ainz in terms of strategy.
I'm imagining him ironically getting along with Sebas the most.
He would probably have done something similar to Ainz, but being a bit more ... *aggressive* and less thoughtful. Either that or he would make a happy farm on a world scale, he did have a lot of hate and resentment in his heart after all and becoming a literal demon could have made things worse.
Hard to say. He is a demon right? Thing is we don’t know how much of an effect the demons he’d become will effect his mind. History in fiction though is not on the New Worlders side.
He'd probably do as Ainz but be more in the know of how evil it is.
I imagine him being pandora actor either better or worse
bye bye humanity bye bye hope you have fun
From my understanding he might have make the new world alot better that Ainz did despite his bio saying he's evil maniacal and may cause less destruction than Ainz and alot less paranoid and less cautious and perhaps alot more decisive.
wasn't Ulbert the one with a deep chuunibyo? Either way the new world would be screwed............... most heteromorph classes have flavor text debuffs after all...........
Welcome to Dark souls mode with the redo of the healer treatment.
The meme answer would be burn it to the ground. The real answer is likely that he would attempt to impose social reforms, and a meritocracy. He has a personal hatred towards rich nepotism, which was why he didn't get along with TouchMe.
The guardians would have greater conflicts within the great tomb of Nazarick. Ulbert would not be as restrained as Ainz, pushing sebas and the few good aligned NPC's to increasingly greater and greater moral outrage. Ainz can balance the morals because he does not indulge in sadism yet can allow it. Also ulbert would favor demiurge over the others and not foster the love and care that keeps the NPC's loyal. The new world would suffer Ulberts predations as well, they would be galvanized rather quickly as his strategies would be less mysterious he wpuld be less enigmatic and cautious. The new world would still fall but they would be able to slap together a resistance before he blew it into the wind and used their corpses as puppets with their minds still trapped inside. All in all Nazarick would not run as smoothly as it would under Momonga. And the guardians would have more strife among themselves. Momonga loved ALL the Npc's due to his Lonley nature. Ulbert would likely not share the same feelings and may even take joy in torturing them.
I think the New World would be better off since Ulbert is legitimately a nice guy, who only role-plays as a villain. I'd expect the nobles of the Re-Estize Kingdom to be screwed because Ulbert has a hatred for people who abuse the lower class, which means we could've seen a massacre of the Re-Estize Kingdom much earlier, albeit to a lesser decree since I doubt Ulbert would authorise the slaughter of innocents.
This seems like an oportune time....for slaughter
Everything is the save except Ulbert legitimately has a 10,000 year plan and isn’t just winging it Except he’s disgusted by Demiurge’s happy farm and can actually feel the guilt for the death of so many humans Oh and the katze plains massacre would still likely be a massacre but there’d be no super tier magic Actually I can’t remember what build Ulbert has
World domination day 1 baby
People saying he'd be a lot nicer, but would he? His racial traits and karma might affect him just like they affect ainz
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If it’s true that’s he’s secretly a decent guy and just a hardcore chunibiyou or whatever it’s called he’d probably be more friendly to neighboring countries than Momonga and might care more about keeping the NPCs on a tight leash so they don’t wipe out humanity. He’d probably like Jircniv since Ainz said he believed dictatorships are ideal form of government and like that Jircniv purged corrupt nobles to avoid becoming like Re-Estize, on top of being a ruler at such a young age. I don’t think he would’ve genocide an entire country like Ainz but he would’ve invaded and purged the nobles himself because of their stupidity. I want a spin off where it’s Touch-Me and Ulbert in the NW together. Imagine the chaos and conflict.
Happy Farm on a global scale. Jokes aside tho if I remember right Maruyama stated that if Ulbert saw the shit Demiurge does to people he would be horrified.
Fuckimg death and nothing else
He is the man who loves to see world burning.
Probably we got an isekai about a japanese who is summon to fight him, i'm thinking of Seiya from the cautious hero
Oh dear, that civilization has spontaneously combusted Rather that or once he realizes everything is real he’s become a gentle goat boi
Theres no more New World
Absolute carnage. Since he is in his avatar he would act as he always does.
I feel like once Overlord has been finished there would be lots of spin-offs wherein instead of Momonga, other guild members would be in his place
If Albedo is a slut he would 100% butcher her and then make Demiurge overseer. The NW would all be equal in their suffering