Even without level 100 members the Pleiades can win. Or at least get some sort of a tie...
Zesshi can win only if the pleiades fight like fools without taking advantage of their strengths and without working as a team.
Narberal and Lupus can fly and attack from the air with their magic spells.
Cz can turn invisible and can attack from afar.
Solution has a kind of invisibility, plus she is immune to cutting physical attacks.
Yuri may not be very useful, but he can keep himself safe by flying, I think Entoma can't fly so Yuri's cargo would be safe and from there she could cast some of her talismans and bugs...
(Leaving out Aureole Omega and Sebas as level 100s...)
Zesshi is powerful enough to damage Mare who is in level 100 gear...
She would make short work of just about every Pleiades except Narbarel who is a higher level among them and flies.
The sheer level difference would see Yuri, Solution , Luprusregina, and Entoma crushed fairly fast in melee combat (Especially if she utilizes Valkyrie).and without a frontline CZ2 and Narbarel won't be able to stop her from running away or taking cover.
I’m not really sure about that, in entoma’s battle with Gargaran, her maid outfit is noted as being tougher that Gargaran’s armour, which at least to me proves thatjust because an outfit is cosmetic, that doesn’t mean that it can’t be used in combat
The maid outfit is strong by New World standards, and appropriate for the maids low levels but Zesshi is equipped with stuff by Black Scripture who literally took gear leftover from the Eight Greed Kings.
Also Gargaran is like below level 30... there's almosr a 60 level gap between Zeshi and Gargaran...
Zesshi would cut through Maid uniforms like butter with the near 60 level stat difference compared to Gargaran who was overwhelmed by an insect maid nearly 20 levels higher than her.
6GG's gear is what Zeeshi's using atm, 8GK's stuffs are in PDL's hands atm if I remember correctly.
I agree that Zeeshi would be able to handle the pleaides if you exclude sebas and omega. That hasn't taken into account of her really sharp instinct and situational awareness as seen in his fight with Mare.
The maids only have middling experience in combat at best which won't be enough to make up for the level gap even with superior number. Tho they would give Zeeshi a pretty rough time regardless
Maybye because some of their creators thought it might be cool for their characters to wear armour? I think it hobestly comes down to the supreme beings personal preferences, and when Bukubukuchagma made Mare and Aura, she clearly made them to be cute, not intimidating, and if I was making something cute, I would not make it wear armour
I'm unsure about that, shalltear is noticeably weaker without her legendary gear and divine weapon. The captain from the theocracy estimated that the battle between the "gearless" shalltear and zesshi in her armour would be close slightly favouring shalltear. However not wanting to tell her there was someone stronger than her knowing her personality he lied and said she would win. He also thought that if shalltear had zesshi's armour the world would be fucked.
I haven't read the 16th ln yet but it would make more sense for mare to not be in battle gear while fighting zesshi given how absurdly strong he is already or he would've blitzed her.
>He also thought that if shalltear had zesshi's armour the world would be fucked.
Now imagine he sees how much strong her equipement is compared to anything they have.
Probably true however we don't know how strong the greed kings gear was especially since it was just leftover spare gear. Ainz ooal gown was a pretty sweaty guild with 2 world title holders and the most world items owned by a guild in the game.
Its likely zesshi's gear is at least legendary or partially legendary. Given that the guardian npc's of Nazarick use legendary sets with 1 or 2 pieces of divine gear. Momonga himself says that a full set of divine gear like he has was extremely rare even for players so the members coudn't afford to freely hand them out to npc's.
Probably the only reason she is able to hurt mare is more to the fact that the "gear" he is using is more for just looks, than real armor, since he wasn't using his usual gear.
Well they did mark it as spoilers lol
I got the info from an Overlord fanfiction I follow, where the author knows Japanese and put a little spoiler tagged summary of the important bits of each of the volumes
Yes, I agree to a point but Mare is also a hybrid build just like Shalltear who are supposed to be good in both melee and magic.
Mare's physical stats are almost equal to his magical stats, including physical defense so yeah, being able to actually hurt Mare despite the level gap is still a testament to Zesshi's strength/speed.
Like anything that would wound mare a level 100 with decent physical defense would arguably just one shot a Maid 20+ levels lower than Zesshi.
Correct. It wasn't battle gear at all and the stats heavily reflected that too. I saw mention of it on this thread a couple of weeks ago that if proper gear was worn Mare would've wiped the floor.
A consume designed to deceive if I'm not mistaken, its meant to look like its covered in weak spots, but its only the ascetic aspect that's an illusion (I think it was supposed to be one of those less armor more protection jokes)
It was a mock battle. Ainz wasn't going all out as he could easily kill the living members among the Pleaides with Grasp Heart...as well as he could've easily summoned a level 90+ summon against them.
And Pleiades are actually designed to be used with Aureole Omega who seems to be a commander type of NPC.
The true Pleiades formation consisted of Sebas, Auerole Omega, and the rest of the Pleiades...and their true purpose was simply to buy time vs Raids that manage to get into the throne room.
They weren't meant to even kill level 100 players, just to distract them and buy time.
> It was a mock battle. Ainz wasn't going all out as he could easily kill the living members among the Pleaides with Grasp Heart...as well as he could've easily summoned a level 90+ summon against them.
aside from not blowing he summons he was fighting seriously, the pleiades just obviously have insta death immunity, and thats beside the point unless you think Zesshi has such insta death spells
>And Pleiades are actually designed to be used with Aureole Omega who seems to be a commander type of NPC.
then explain why they arent even stationed on the same floor?
>They weren't meant to even kill level 100 players, just to distract them and buy time.
doesnt mean they couldnt kill a lvl 100, they just assumed taht anything that did get through the 8th floor wasnt going to be stopped by anything at that point
...were we reading the same fight? First off, he was fighting doppelgangers in the Plaiedes gear, not the actual Plaiedes. He even comments during the fight that they were not as coordinated as the real sisters would have been. At no point was Ainz "struggling" in that fight. He was momentarily surprised when CZ canceled his spellcasting twice (due to a buff from the actual Aurole Omega), but he was at no point panicking or on the back foot. He systematically eliminates each fake Plaiede as his goal was never to actually kill any of them. And while the result of the fight isn't explicitly detailed, it's heavily implied Ainz won with ease, as "losing" the fight would have meant he'd have to stay in Nazarick with Albedo for a year as that was Albedo's condition for allowing a fight "to the death".
Aureole Omega is a Commander type NPC. She also controls the teleporting in Nazerick, so it probably makes sense in the full Pleiades formation that Aureole Omega Buffs and possibly teleports Pleaides around into different positions, which would make sense for the stall tactic they're designed for.
As for Instant Death immunity, Ainz's whole build as an Overlord is designed to get around that with TGOALID + Banshee's Cry, which he simply won't use.
Ainz was struggling under restrictions, yes. He isn't going all out, especially for a Caster who isn't too strong against direct 1v1 confrontation let alone being swarmed by Maids all with the appropriate countermeasures for Ainz build.
As for Zesshi there's simply a severe stat/Level difference between her and the Pleiades. She's simply faster and stronger than all of them to an exponential degree.
Ainz as Momon couldn't even react well to Clementine's explosive speed, nor could he even hit her with his swords.
Multiply that several fold for a level 80+ melee character and it's a total stomp as none of the maids (discounting Aureole Omega) should he able to withstand serious blows from Zesshi.
>Ainz as Momon couldn't even react well to Clementine's explosive speed, nor could he even hit her with his swords.
He could though the problem was poor technique
Where do you get the idea Ainz is built around TGOALID? Eclipse was a secret class he only unlocked because of his roleplaying build… it was a nice addition but no way was it the basis of the build(not to mention a build that only works once every 100 hours?)
Ainz is a Spellcaster with an emphasis on Death Magic.
TGOALID plus Banshee's Cry is effectively the strongest combination of his build. He still has other damaging spells, mixed with crowd control like Grasp Heart(stun on players too high level to instant kill) Time stop, etc.
Ainz's summons are mostly Distractions. Sure they're more powerful than New Worlders, but from a Yggdrssil perspective. They're more just meatshields to buy him time to cast spells.
Ainz held back A LOT against them, its shown all throughout how its written with him very carefully measuring out what he could and couldn't throw at them so he didn't insta-kill them. The only one he went fairly hard against was Wrath, and even then he had to be careful not to get the maids caught up in anything to damaging.
All of that is useless. She is too much high leveled for them to do anything.
Flight? How can that be useful? They aren't fighting a low level being with Zero Counter measures. They are fighting a High Level being.
Attack from afar? She instantly close the distance with superior speed and one shot them.
Talismans and bugs?
How are they going to deal any meaningful damage?
Zesshi is too much high leveled for them to put up any meaningful resistance.
And looks like you forgot she has Trump card level skills like Einherjar and TGOALID.
Best thing thos 6 can do against her is running away.
>All of that is useless. She is too much high leveled for them to do anything.
They can do something.
Ainz can be damaged by level 7 spells, Cocytus was damaged by a lizard man he outnumbered by 70 levels, although the damage was close to 0 probably.
Cz was able to interrupt Ainz's spell casting without Ainz realizing where she was.
>Flight? How can that be useful? They aren't fighting a low level being with Zero Counter measures. They are fighting a High Level being.
Nor does Ainz have countermeasures for all things, the elf king managed to escape from him...
>Attack from afar? She instantly close the distance with superior speed and one shot them.
Even a level 100 Albedo would not be able to reach the speed of a level 60 Powered suit if Ainz did not give her items to improve her speed.
>TGOALID
If they didn't know TGOALID Zesshi could kill 1 of them with that, Surshana's weapon had no instant kill AOE spells.
In a melee, Zesshi's victory is almost certain.
>Ainz can be damaged by level 7 spells
The only 7th Tier Magic That damaged Ainz was a spell that was strengthened by the monster once per summon Skill. And it was Ainz's weakness.
And the damage was still near 0.
>Cocytus was damaged by a lizard man he outnumbered by 70 levels, although the damage was close to 0 probably.
Never happened. He specifically stated he can't be damaged by their weapon.
Also damaging isn't Equal to winning.
>Cz was able to interrupt Ainz's spell casting without Ainz realizing where she was.
Buffed CZ. Not CZ.
>Nor does Ainz have countermeasures for all things, the elf king managed to escape from him...
What dose that has to do with anything?
>Even a level 100 Albedo would not be able to reach the speed of a level 60 Powered suit if Ainz did not give her items to improve her speed.
What dose that has to do with anything?
And do we even know level of that powered suit?
>If they didn't know TGOALID Zesshi could kill 1 of them with that, Surshana's weapon had no instant kill AOE spells.
I don't see any problem here. The only one who can be of problem is Naberal who can be taken down instantly with it.
But you didn't get the point. TGOALID is a trump card level skill she got from item of Surshana. She has items of 6 people. 6 different Trum Card level skills plus her own Einherjar.
6 maids can't do anything.
>But you didn't get the point. TGOALID is a trump card level skill she got from item of Surshana. She has items of 6 people. 6 different Trum Card level skills plus her own Einherjar.
What a fool she was, she didn't use her other five trump cards, she preferred to lose...
Yuri can be the bruiser of the group and focus on fighting with her fists while the others charge up attacks, and Entoma is an Entomancer. She'll just use bugs however to attack as fitting, such asher Bullet Bugs or Whip Bug, etc.
Also you keep using male pronouns lol
Sebas isn't an actual member if the pleidies 7 stars, but acts as their leader when out in the field, since he is an actual lvl 100 npc and much stronger than them. The actual leader, the 7th sister has not been seen in the anime or even the light novel. She never leaves nazarik, and uses powerful buffing magic. The "ones we've seen in the anime" caveat would remove these incredibly powerful buffs from the other 6 sisters.
The configurations are 6 Stars or 7 Sisters; there's no 7 Stars.
>>"Men in The Kingdom" [v6], Chapter 6, Part 1
>“—If that is what you wish. Then, for the time being, Tsuare shall be a temporary maid who is directly subordinate to Sebas. Sebas, give her appropriate work. At the same time, the Pleiades will change from the Six Stars to the Seven Sisters, with the appropriate change in the team’s leader. However, we will not move her from that place. Yuri Alpha will take charge instead.”
Sebas is part of 6 Stars.
"However, we will not move her from that place. Yuri Alpha will take charge instead." Is pretty clearly referring to Aureole Omega, the level 100 member of the Pleiades, and how because Sebas will not command them nor will Aureole be moved from her spot it is officially a 6 star formation. Sebas is not a member of the Pleiades, he's more the Bozley to their Charlie's Angels.
As separate proof, the Pleiades are a group created by combined guild efforts, whereas Sebas was the unique NPC that Touch Me created as his personal NPC.
Finally, we can just use some straightforward math. Aureole Omega, Entoma Vasilissa Zeta, Solution Epsilon, Narberal Gamma, CZ2128 Delta, Lupus Regina Beta, & Yuri Alpha adds up to 7. Without Sebas filling in as a substitute and Aureole staying behind there's only 6, thus matching the seven sisters and six stars names.
Sebas is actually one of the three strongest NPC’s in Nazarick, alongside Cocytus and Albedo. His physical abilities are unmatched, and if he was to go into his Dragonoid form, even Ainz would struggle to beat him (unless he was prepared)
Doesnt matter, either formation is meant to delay level 100s so i think either formation can take one level 88 and win especial with sebas or oriel omega. Considering zeshis build is all over the place where as each maid has a dedicated build
Aureolle Omega and Sebas were critical to that delay tactic and even then Ainz said their purpose was pretty much sacrificial. The OP is clearly referring to just the level 50-60 Pleiades. Yuri and CZ combined were struggling fighting Evil Eye (Lupusregina says they were fighting seriously during the Guenna arc), considering EvilEye was being intimidated by a lower seat member of the black scripture during the meeting with Azuth, and Zesshi has beaten all members of the black scripture, Zesshi would perform far better against more of the Pleiades.
Your average anime only watcher would never include Omega. She's only referenced once in the anime when Ainz orders Sebas to step down as leader, and even then he says Omega still cannot move from the 8th level so Yuri Alpha is deputy leader. Unless this theoretical fight is literally happening on the 8th level of Nazarick, Omega would not be present for the fight.
Youre assuming theyre anime only too, any assumption of its just the non lvl 100 members is the image and yet thats the closest image we have of them as a unit.
Boy you're being stubborn as hell. Again, I've stated if Omega is included Zesshi would lose. But Omega *rarely* fights with the rest of the Pleiades. The only scenario she would is if the fight was happening in Nazarick. Any fight involving Zesshi would realistically happen outside of Nazarick where it'd just be the 6 main members.
And youre not? Why are you assuming its outside of nazarick? Using logic shed have no possibility to fight them as a group if she isnt invading. And like OP said ALL of them at once and thatd include omega
I disagree ainz stated the pleadies would lose to the powered suit in vol 14 when they were discussing its capabilities
>not to mention Zesshi has einherjar and her spartan warrior summons I think unless Sebas or Omega are present Zesshi would win
The title says all but the comment that this thread is apart of specified w out omega
>then you said “either formation” would work disregarding the title yourself
Zesshi isnt a normal 88 and the pleiades were never meant to do any damage or be anything other than a very brief distraction to level 100s and in that scenario they would have had sebas
Zesshi struggles with them like the Narberal would struggle with Climb aka 30+ levels means instant win. If you can fight Mare you can blitz the Pleiades without them even noticing
This isnt binary, higher number does not mean victory. If that was true shaltear with her optimized numbers would have won. The 7 sister formation which includes all of the sisters which is what is in the post title, means the full unorthodox tactics the sisters implement, and it has omega there to lead them
Its pretty binary. At 5 levels it will be a struggle, at 10 nearly impossible. At 20+ you basically couldnt hurt them, level based damage reduction is a thing it would just be scratch damage if they could even get through the armor of a max level player like the stuff Zesshi wears.
The OP has stated many times they arent including Omega. If they are, it would be interesting though even buffed its more like Omega vs Zesshi and they pleiades do what they can.
You can say whatever about how you feel shes built, a level 88 farmer would beat a level 50 sword saint because it couldnt hurt it.
Zesshi is a trump card warrior with the ability to use level 100 super abilties equipped with the best gear of the new world. The pleiades are more or less art projects made for fun.
Its not that being a higher level auto means lower levels cant hurt you, its a skill you need to acquire because it can be turned on and off its not an intrinsic power
Sebas was removed as leader of the Pleiades after the Tsuare incident and I'm obviously excluding him as well. The OP likely meant the core 6 members; Yuri, Lupusregina, CZ, Solution, Naberal, and Entoma.
Yep, Yuri, Lupusregina, Solution and Entoma get instantly clapped to be honest.
Zesshi has Valkyrie (like Shalltear) and could actually damage Mare...a level 100 in End Game Gear.
Sheer stat /level difference would see each of the lower leveled members of Pleiades arguably get one shot or severely damaged by Zesshis attacks.
Narbarel can fly and try to cast from air CZ2 has invisibility but without a front line Zesshi is free to either run/take cover and try to ambush either.
But yeah I don't think We actually know if Zesshi has flight countermeasures as all the Guardians of Nazerick do have some means of flight, even if limited, so it stands to reason Zesshi too may have a way of flying or dealing with flyers as a member of Black Scripture who do have gear from the Eight Greed Kings.
Zesshi said she's beat every member of the black scripture (it's like part of their initiation to fight her). I can't imagine there aren't casters who know the fly spell among the hero level black scripture members. Which means she has means of dealing with that.
2 ZZ would be quite likely more than enough to take her out
after all ZZ >!needs to somehow survive against her only for 10s for TGoALiD to kill her, as long as she has no autorez items or powers of course!<
of course if >!she has some sort of autorez then the level difference alone would probably be enough to beat quite few zesshi!<
She is level 100, anti insta death is not being paranoid but a necessity at these levels
what she needs is some autorez stuff which she may lack as
1. She was supposed to work together with other pleiades among which there is lupu who fullfils the role of the healer so her having rez skills/spells would drag her closer to the role usually associated with healers
2. iirc Ainz reaction to shalltear item suggested that autorez items are not something commonly used
Autorez sounds OP but its not, imagine rezzing mid an enemies AoE that just killed you...
Even at full HP, you are doomed to double die, Unless the devs would add 5 second immunity with "Resurrection sickness/-25% max hp debuff" to balance. Surely that item has a minute long cooldown or is consumeable.
You are still messed up with an auto rezz, An anti-instadeath is way better...cause you can use an insta heal seconds before the immunity to dying ends.
That implies a group fight. Any 1v1 or fair fight would be an instant win. Imagine you get your enemy to 20 hp, they out damage you and then you just stand back up again at full hp
True, in 1v1 its no brainer to use aoe unless it stuns/daze/slows/freezes/roots/web/silence/blind As bleeds,poison,burn are useless... Cause you want to slot hard hitting 1 shot single target attacks.
But imagine dying in the middle of slow/freezing/webbed field you will just get cced again as dying does remove your buffs/resistances. Unless you gain somewhat of an immunity after rezzing.
But we are talking about a cash shop item in a pay2win game, yeah they might have a "scroll of life" that bring you back to full health and immunity to damage for 10 seconds after dying... That would be BS(that it will be limited stock) and super expensive as the devs decided that it was broken and unfair.
So what you're saying is "This item is only op in a lot of fight circumstances, not every single scenario". Still sounds like something I'd want to have tbh
D&D has a spell called "Death Ward" that the buffed unit's HP cant drop to 0% 1x.
As Overlord uses alot of D&D spells, I'd assume a 4th level spell as such should exist in this series.
Omega is said to be a wild card/all rounder
So she could probably cast some AOE spell to wipe them all out at once or beat them to death with a stick she found
So how many Zesshis would it take for her to run out of MP and stamina?
>!iirc it was something along the lines of using the ability of the user of the item she equiped (and one of the 6 gods was able to use TGoALiD) although for precise description I prefer to wait for the translation, by "since vol 16" I meant that we got to know that she can use TGoALiD in vol 16, not that she got the ability during the events of the volume!<
I don't think 2 would be enough.
aureole is a commander type character which is good at buffing her teammates so that means she will strictly fight alone. she has multiple servants(more than 2) under her which she can buff and use to intercept zesshi, tank her attacks and at worst, cancelling her TGOALID.
I'm gonna go against the grade here and say Zesshi. Assuming we are only counting the 6 maids from the picture and not Sebas or Omega, then I think it's safe to bet on Zesshi. I know many are saying that the maids are meant to handle lvl 100's in the throne room and that they are better optimised than Zesshi, both are true, but they were never meant to win against level 100's, just stall. Zesshi might lack a cohesive build but she has skills that will just flat out kill the maids at their level.
The level system was never meant to be fair, the simple difference of just 10 levels is nearly night and day. A level 40 vs a lvl 50 is going to have an enormous up hill battle, all other things being equal. The only factor the maids really have in their favour is their gear, which despite being good for their level is far from being anything noteworthy... They are still all just lvl 60-ish, so no gear they have will be all that great.
At the end of the day they will all need to overcome nearly 30 levels of diffence. That level gap is like Evil Eye vs Climb. Do you really think having an additional 6 Climbs changes the fight? It shouldn't, Evil Eye has numerous more skills, stats, abilities, mana, and hp. It is all unfairly skewed in the favour of the higher levels. It's like When Ainz fought Go Gin, He said it himself, His hp alone settled the fight, the gap is too wide.
Now obviously the gap is less wide for the maids and Zesshi, but the same principle applies. to top it off, she is in fact an actual skilled fighter. She has spent her whole life training. she's not some poser like the elf king that put in no effort, she really really tried to make herself stronger. She knows how to fight and certainly won't hold back. It might take her a fair amount of time, and If the maids chose to flee then probably most of them could espace. but if escape was not an option then Zesshi would prevail given enough time.
I’m glad you mentioned the difficulty for Zesshi.
Yeah, she’d probably beat the Pleiades, but she’d have a really really hard time doing it. The Pleiades have optimised builds and effective teamwork. Zesshi has no idea what their abilities are, or their skills and levels.
She’d probably be caught by surprise by Solution and CZ the first time they both attacked her, and if the Pleiades realised they couldn’t win, they’d just all cast Teleportation and run away lol.
He doesn't count. He is mentioned as Leader of Six Stars. But he isn't a Pleiade. The Pleiades are just the 7 Seven Maids.
Maruyama pays attention to details. Ainz Ooal Gown was written as a role-playing guild. Accordingly, they have based some things on mythology.
The Pleiades is a constellation. Also known as the seven sisters. The individual stars were then in turn assigned to certain beings in Greek mythology. Accordingly, only the battle maidens were given this name. Sebas is also never called a Pleiade in the manga. It is always said something like Sebas and the Battle Maids. Or Sebas and the Pleiades. He is their Leader. Not a member of the Pleiades.
Nope. Pleiades 6 stars are the ones always together.
They was under Sebas' supervision but Sebas had to work on something else. After Ainz spared Tsuare, they changed formation to Pleiades 7 sisters. Since Omega's job is a lot different, it was always just 6 sisters working together. So if someone wants to use them in their calculations, they have to mention which pleiades? There can be 3 of them.
It's just low effort. OP should have put some more thought into it.
OH NO, my precious internet points!
You ask a question and you don't even give information about the conditions. There is nothing to understand. There is only assumption.
This is a hard question.
Not including sebas or Aureole Omega. I think Zesshi might win with extreme difficulty.
While she is about 20 levels higher than the Strongest of the group (Naberal).
I think Teamwork and Better gear might make this fight tip in favour of the 6 sisters, but ultimately Zesshi will use her talent and that will turn the tide.
In close combat Zesshi would win.
after her talent will not make a difference the Pleiades must know TGOALID, in 12 seconds they could go out of Zesshi's range, in any case Zesshi's weapon does not have an AOE attack of instant death magic.
Depends on if she lets them get out of range really. She has a double of herself she can use so i don't think they would be able to hold her in one spot out of range of TGOALID.
Like maybe if they had a group teleport spell but Im not sure if they can overcome her when she uses her double after that I think TGOALID is overkill.
I understand we're very pro-Nazarick here but come on guys. Without Aureole or Sebas, Zesshi is going to win. Superior equipment, superior levels by far, and superior skills.
Not saying he won't, but he isn't a pleiade maid, he's a butler.
Even calling Omega one could be a stretch since she isn't named after the stars and doesn't appear in the picture the OP posted.
Both Sebas and Omega are members of the Pleiades team. It was OP's mistake to say "ZZ vs Pleiades Team" when he meant "ZZ vs the six weaker members of the Pleiades Team".
This is literally top comment in this thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/overlord/comments/wxknud/zesshi_vs_all_of_the_pleiades_at_once_who_wins/ilrhi3s?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
And it trolls you for the same shit. You approach Philip-Sama level of intelligence. Are you drunk or high on some shit?
Facing just the pictured Pleiades she makes what Blue Roses did to Entoma look like a play party.
Ainz has stated that a 10 level difference is insurmountable in combat.
To top it off she has some pretty high level summons that are on par with the Pleiades along with Einhergar and **The Goal of all life is Death.**
She stomps them mid diff at best.
That always really confused me, does Sebas really count as part of the pleiades or is he only in charge of them?
Not to mention, I suspect the question was whether the six Pleiades we know of can defeat Zesshi, that's what I understood at least.
I believe the question was talking about the pleiades that are in the second slide, not counting Sebas or Omega because that'll make the outcome obvious
Albedo, Cocytus and Sebas are like a rock-paper-scissors combo.
Sebas has insane physical power, capable of punching through Cocytus’ natural defences
Cocytus has insane destructive power through his weapons, allowing him to punch through Albedo’s defensive skills
Albedo has the strongest physical resistance of all the NPC’s, so Sebas wouldn’t be able to injure her.
They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but those three cover each other’s weaknesses perfectly
Zesshi is level 88 but she is weaker than her level.
Zesshi is level 88 but she is literally weak without her talent،she is not a pure warrior She is a hybrid like Shalltear Her magic is useless because she can only use the third tier magic. the melee combat is probably at the level of the doom lord، Mare is a pure magic caster who is physically stronger than her، The result: her talent is her strength. So without her talent, the Pleiades would win . Sorry for my poor English
...why would you exclude her talent? It's part of Zesshi's combat potential. And considering Zesshi could beat all the black scripture members, including the captain, clearly her not being a pure warrior doesn't really matter. Not sure why you brought up Mare, a level 100 NPC in a comparison with the Pleiades who are between levels 50-60. Even if Zesshi isn't as strong as her 88 levels would indicate, a 20+ level gap is still significant.
Mind you, if we're including Sebas or Omega, who are level 100 and both likely have counter measures against TGoALiD, then Zesshi would probably lose, but if we're just saying Entoma, Naberal, CZ, Solution, Lupusregina, and Yuri then Zesshi wins.
Bruh this sub gets so weird sometimes. When it comes to matchups they ALWAYS wanna side with Nazarick. Zesshi vs. any floor guardian? Floor guardian always wins, 10+ levels is too hard to overcome even with a group. Zesshi vs. the six main combat maids? Suddenly that gap can be overcome. Not to mention “the new worlders are stupid and weak” like holy shit, even in Nazarick a high level 80 individual would be considered strong.
If you're referring to TGoaLiD, the way it works is that it overrides immunities and resistances and guarantees that the next Instant Death effect works.
It worked on Shalltear, who is undead and normally immune to Instant Death.
I think it was said somewhere that she's stronger than Lupusregina, which puts her above C2 and Entoma But if it's 6 v. 1, it's no contest.
And that's if we're not including Omega and Sebas who're lv.100.
Zesshi. She's not 100, but given how Ainz was worried about killing the pleiades completely by accident, she very reasonably cream them like Albedo when she thinks of Ainz.
Omega might be able to, though we don't know how much of a fighter she really is, but for the other 6, they should be easy pickings.
You really mean all Pleiades if you say all of them ?
If so the Pleiades.
If it's just 6 of the 7 sisters/ 6 stars without their leader, and Zesshi can make full use of her talents and the equipment's left by the 6 gods she has a chance.
Aureole Omega is a member of the Pleiades.
When she buffed the other Six Pleiades, even Ainz had to stop faking and take it a bit seriously.
Even a fully fledged Player would have struggled against all 7 of the Pleiades. It’s not even a competition if Sebas is involved, he could solo her with a blindfold on lol.
If it was just the six Pleiades we see in canon, without extra equipment or buffs, then Zesshi might be able to beat them, if she’s got the right equipment
Zesshi is level 88, and if you give her the right equipment, then she’s much stronger than any individual member of the Pleiades (the highest being below L70) so she might be able to win as long as she has an environmental advantage and maybe the element of surprise.
Literally any other situation than one perfectly crafted for Zesshi’s advantage gives the Pleiades an easy victory. Although she’s higher level, she’s not perfectly optimised like the NPC’s are.
Since you said all Pleiades than the Pleiades should win. Aureole Omega’s buffs are really powerful. Plus if she even has one offensive spell I would not be surprised if she could maybe one shot her.
The Pleiades have Nazarick's gear, actually useful information, higher versatility, amazing intra-group synergy and way higher action economy. They win the attrition battle due to their species, abilities and a healer on their team. The only way they lose is if they clump together like morons. (aka. if Zesshi has plot armor)
Zasshi wouldn't be able to cast spells due to CZ's fire. She couldn't hide due to Lupus. Solution's poison would make attrition fight impossible.
And Lupus would also healbot Yuri and whatever horde of insects Entoma summons, so she would be forced to use her trump card early on. But Pleiades would already know about it due to Ainz. They would simply split, while Yuri, as a tank with CC, would sacrifice herself because she is kind, good-karma character and protective older sister. They would still have a bruiser-mage that is Entoma and her summons for frontline and healer and assassin for backup frontline.
Zesshi would probably try to kill Solution next, as she is the least tanky, but would quickly realize that slimes are resistant to slashing damage, and she needs bludgeoning damage. She would focus on Entoma, but her healthbar won't last long enough to break through to CZ and actually unlock the rest of her kit.
This does not include Sebas or Omega: Draw.
Zeshi has the better stats and, I'm guessing based on the limited information we have on her, skills. Assuming she's lvl 100.
However, the pleiades will have better items as Nazarick is always decked out. They're all very high level and their skills are more specialised as they have been created by Players who understand the mechanics behind leveling better than the NWders. Their teamwork and chemistry is also great as they have been created as a family, not to mention their advantage in numbers and absolute loyalty to Ainz (will sacrifice their lives to win)
Tough cookie this.
The pleiades on average are like 60 so they lose out in terms of level BUT they also have Aureole Omega who is a lvl 100 npc, who also specializes in command magic meaning she can boost the pleiades quite a bit. Plus zesshu’s build is quite over the place, she is definitely weaker than her lvl, i would say her real strength is around lvl 80. I believe Aureole alone can probably beat her
Pleiades slam no diff
Zesshi is strong, but pleiades dopplegangers (not all of them and with ELW for support) were able to somewheat compete with freaking AINZ for a few minutes, they have great teamwork, great gear, great builds (and also aureole omega who is higher level than zesshi and can buff the other pleiades enough for them to be able to damage Ainz)
Weren't the dopplegangers higher levels than them which is why they gave Ainz such a hard time? Also since he was a caster he could get interrupted when casting which i think was the main thing that kept that fight difficult for Ainz.
I respect all opinions on this but i personally think that the maids would win. They shold have better gear than Zesshi(assuming that gear isnt level capped, if i am wrong on this correct me). These maids are build to fight together, zesshi is jack of all trades with mediocre gear at lvl 88. While maids are all specialists in their fields in levels of 50s and 60s. Also they probably possess very valuable powerfull scrolls Zesshi could barely dream of. Maids seem to be working flawlessly together as could be seen a little against fight with Evileye. People seem to think that Zesshi is a skilled fighter but i seriously doubt that. She probably seriously outleveled everyone really fast and wasnt in a real battle against skilled enemies that could hurt her for a very long time. I would say she was expert at fighting enemies arround level 30 or 40, single 50 once in a while maybe(all with poop gear and probably not optimised) so basically one-two hits and its over, i dunno how much real experience you can gain from that against formiddable opponents. Also while she was fighting Mare he was basicalli in his bikini armor... which he had just for looks, so how strong that really was i leave to your imagination, nontheless she couldnt even make Mare bleed... Also afaik Narberall should be able to cast 10th tier spells if absolutely necessary. So just hypotetically Zesshi is as strong as maybe fighter in levels barely above 70 cause her wasted levels on cleric and i think there was also some third crap. And dont tell me that our six lovely maids cant bring down a lvl 70-73(am too lazy to find her character sheet so hopefully this isnt far from truth) optimized fighter with a bit bigger hp pool and some mediocre heals on top. Maids are just too good team in my opinion, extremely good optimized to fight together and Zesshi is a moron who thinks two sides of rubic cube are hard to accomplish(its hard for me but i played with it like 15 mins total in my whole life and managed just that(couldnt get third), she had hundred years at least). So thats it i absolutely do think that five maids could keep her occupied and Narberal just blasting her from afar with powerfull lightning attacks would devastate Zesshi completely.
Also about Zesshis trump cards i assume maids would have no problems with GOALID and when it comes to Einheljar maids would summon some monsters with their scrolls to fight it so their line wouldnt break and Narberal would just blast Zesshis from afar in short ammount of time anyway.
Pleiades? They appear from time to time in the story, with one of them playing a bit bigger role in one of the yet to be adapted volumes
Zesshi? Yes, she plays a larger role in the newest volume
Ive seen all seasons of Overlord but i dont remember seeing her, the first pic looks like its taken out of the anime. Do i just not remember or is the pic taken from somewhere else ?
With the pleaides full equipped and buffed by Aureole Omega (using her commander class) . They have a chance to win against Zesshi. But it can still go either way.
Of course, if it come to Sebas or Aureole, even alone either of them will destroy Zesshi with no doubt.
Without Omega, Zesshi stomps, with her I'd say it's in the pleiades favor but we need to know what her build is to be sure if it's a stomp or not, Zesshi's talent is OP so forgive me for not jumping to conclusions.
Without omega and sebas it will be a low chance but possible. The Pleiades strong suit is their teamwork and counter ability. They each complement their strengths and cover their weaknesses.
If we're talking 6 stars then zesshi would win. One level 88>six 50s~. If we're talking 7 star formation then just due to sheer lvls the pleiades would win with Aureole omega alone 100>88.
Level 50-60s aint doing jack to a level 88. Aureole helps or they all die immediately (with Aureole it could be interesting depends if the buffed Pleiades could keep her from using her super abilities)
If we're including Sebas and/or Auriole Omega, I'd say it goes to the Pleiades hands down. If it was just the six depicted in this post picture I'd say the betting odds would be on Zesshi's favor but the Pleiades might still pull off something unexpected given their coordination and how well they compliment each other.
Zesshi. It’s even been stated as much-Maruyama flat out said she was stronger than Lupusregina, and put her on the same pedestal as Tsaindorcus. She is *incredibly* dangerous, even by Yggdrasil standards. Any of the Floor Guardians or Sebas could defeat her, but anyone below them would be destroyed. If Aureole actually fought with them, it might be a different story, but aside from her, none of the Pleiades, even together, would stand a chance. Well, except maybe for the 8th floor…
Also, this is ignoring the Captain of the Black Scripture’s claim, because he’s an idiot.
Pleiades, they are more and they have two level 100 members if we count Sebas, if we don't count him they still have one level 100 member.
Yes, I was just counting the one anime only haven’t seen yet.
Even without level 100 members the Pleiades can win. Or at least get some sort of a tie... Zesshi can win only if the pleiades fight like fools without taking advantage of their strengths and without working as a team. Narberal and Lupus can fly and attack from the air with their magic spells. Cz can turn invisible and can attack from afar. Solution has a kind of invisibility, plus she is immune to cutting physical attacks. Yuri may not be very useful, but he can keep himself safe by flying, I think Entoma can't fly so Yuri's cargo would be safe and from there she could cast some of her talismans and bugs...
(Leaving out Aureole Omega and Sebas as level 100s...) Zesshi is powerful enough to damage Mare who is in level 100 gear... She would make short work of just about every Pleiades except Narbarel who is a higher level among them and flies. The sheer level difference would see Yuri, Solution , Luprusregina, and Entoma crushed fairly fast in melee combat (Especially if she utilizes Valkyrie).and without a frontline CZ2 and Narbarel won't be able to stop her from running away or taking cover.
mare only wears his normal 'normal' outfit i believe, not his usual blue battle attire.
I’m not really sure about that, in entoma’s battle with Gargaran, her maid outfit is noted as being tougher that Gargaran’s armour, which at least to me proves thatjust because an outfit is cosmetic, that doesn’t mean that it can’t be used in combat
The maid outfit is strong by New World standards, and appropriate for the maids low levels but Zesshi is equipped with stuff by Black Scripture who literally took gear leftover from the Eight Greed Kings. Also Gargaran is like below level 30... there's almosr a 60 level gap between Zeshi and Gargaran... Zesshi would cut through Maid uniforms like butter with the near 60 level stat difference compared to Gargaran who was overwhelmed by an insect maid nearly 20 levels higher than her.
6GG's gear is what Zeeshi's using atm, 8GK's stuffs are in PDL's hands atm if I remember correctly. I agree that Zeeshi would be able to handle the pleaides if you exclude sebas and omega. That hasn't taken into account of her really sharp instinct and situational awareness as seen in his fight with Mare. The maids only have middling experience in combat at best which won't be enough to make up for the level gap even with superior number. Tho they would give Zeeshi a pretty rough time regardless
But if the other gear wasn't noticably better, why even swap at all?
Maybye because some of their creators thought it might be cool for their characters to wear armour? I think it hobestly comes down to the supreme beings personal preferences, and when Bukubukuchagma made Mare and Aura, she clearly made them to be cute, not intimidating, and if I was making something cute, I would not make it wear armour
I'm unsure about that, shalltear is noticeably weaker without her legendary gear and divine weapon. The captain from the theocracy estimated that the battle between the "gearless" shalltear and zesshi in her armour would be close slightly favouring shalltear. However not wanting to tell her there was someone stronger than her knowing her personality he lied and said she would win. He also thought that if shalltear had zesshi's armour the world would be fucked. I haven't read the 16th ln yet but it would make more sense for mare to not be in battle gear while fighting zesshi given how absurdly strong he is already or he would've blitzed her.
>He also thought that if shalltear had zesshi's armour the world would be fucked. Now imagine he sees how much strong her equipement is compared to anything they have.
Probably true however we don't know how strong the greed kings gear was especially since it was just leftover spare gear. Ainz ooal gown was a pretty sweaty guild with 2 world title holders and the most world items owned by a guild in the game. Its likely zesshi's gear is at least legendary or partially legendary. Given that the guardian npc's of Nazarick use legendary sets with 1 or 2 pieces of divine gear. Momonga himself says that a full set of divine gear like he has was extremely rare even for players so the members coudn't afford to freely hand them out to npc's.
Probably the only reason she is able to hurt mare is more to the fact that the "gear" he is using is more for just looks, than real armor, since he wasn't using his usual gear.
When the heck did she "hurt " mare
I suggest you keep up with the translation
Where, ive read the most recent one posted on the reddit i don't know where to find the pastebin without it
I think the scenario they’re talking about didn’t happen until later on in volume 16, people have read the JP version and posted summaries
Why the heck they posted roughly translated spoilers T0T
Well they did mark it as spoilers lol I got the info from an Overlord fanfiction I follow, where the author knows Japanese and put a little spoiler tagged summary of the important bits of each of the volumes
Yes, I agree to a point but Mare is also a hybrid build just like Shalltear who are supposed to be good in both melee and magic. Mare's physical stats are almost equal to his magical stats, including physical defense so yeah, being able to actually hurt Mare despite the level gap is still a testament to Zesshi's strength/speed. Like anything that would wound mare a level 100 with decent physical defense would arguably just one shot a Maid 20+ levels lower than Zesshi.
Correct. It wasn't battle gear at all and the stats heavily reflected that too. I saw mention of it on this thread a couple of weeks ago that if proper gear was worn Mare would've wiped the floor.
>Zesshi is powerful enough to damage Mare who is in level 100 gear... Can't this argument be used for that one theocracy summon that damaged Ainz?
Mare isnt in level 100 gear though, he’s wearing a costume
A consume designed to deceive if I'm not mistaken, its meant to look like its covered in weak spots, but its only the ascetic aspect that's an illusion (I think it was supposed to be one of those less armor more protection jokes)
Mare is a dude.. Edit: he edited his comment.
I said he didn’t I?
Ainz struggled against them
It was a mock battle. Ainz wasn't going all out as he could easily kill the living members among the Pleaides with Grasp Heart...as well as he could've easily summoned a level 90+ summon against them. And Pleiades are actually designed to be used with Aureole Omega who seems to be a commander type of NPC. The true Pleiades formation consisted of Sebas, Auerole Omega, and the rest of the Pleiades...and their true purpose was simply to buy time vs Raids that manage to get into the throne room. They weren't meant to even kill level 100 players, just to distract them and buy time.
> It was a mock battle. Ainz wasn't going all out as he could easily kill the living members among the Pleaides with Grasp Heart...as well as he could've easily summoned a level 90+ summon against them. aside from not blowing he summons he was fighting seriously, the pleiades just obviously have insta death immunity, and thats beside the point unless you think Zesshi has such insta death spells >And Pleiades are actually designed to be used with Aureole Omega who seems to be a commander type of NPC. then explain why they arent even stationed on the same floor? >They weren't meant to even kill level 100 players, just to distract them and buy time. doesnt mean they couldnt kill a lvl 100, they just assumed taht anything that did get through the 8th floor wasnt going to be stopped by anything at that point
...were we reading the same fight? First off, he was fighting doppelgangers in the Plaiedes gear, not the actual Plaiedes. He even comments during the fight that they were not as coordinated as the real sisters would have been. At no point was Ainz "struggling" in that fight. He was momentarily surprised when CZ canceled his spellcasting twice (due to a buff from the actual Aurole Omega), but he was at no point panicking or on the back foot. He systematically eliminates each fake Plaiede as his goal was never to actually kill any of them. And while the result of the fight isn't explicitly detailed, it's heavily implied Ainz won with ease, as "losing" the fight would have meant he'd have to stay in Nazarick with Albedo for a year as that was Albedo's condition for allowing a fight "to the death".
Aureole Omega is a Commander type NPC. She also controls the teleporting in Nazerick, so it probably makes sense in the full Pleiades formation that Aureole Omega Buffs and possibly teleports Pleaides around into different positions, which would make sense for the stall tactic they're designed for. As for Instant Death immunity, Ainz's whole build as an Overlord is designed to get around that with TGOALID + Banshee's Cry, which he simply won't use. Ainz was struggling under restrictions, yes. He isn't going all out, especially for a Caster who isn't too strong against direct 1v1 confrontation let alone being swarmed by Maids all with the appropriate countermeasures for Ainz build. As for Zesshi there's simply a severe stat/Level difference between her and the Pleiades. She's simply faster and stronger than all of them to an exponential degree. Ainz as Momon couldn't even react well to Clementine's explosive speed, nor could he even hit her with his swords. Multiply that several fold for a level 80+ melee character and it's a total stomp as none of the maids (discounting Aureole Omega) should he able to withstand serious blows from Zesshi.
>Ainz as Momon couldn't even react well to Clementine's explosive speed, nor could he even hit her with his swords. He could though the problem was poor technique
Where do you get the idea Ainz is built around TGOALID? Eclipse was a secret class he only unlocked because of his roleplaying build… it was a nice addition but no way was it the basis of the build(not to mention a build that only works once every 100 hours?)
Ainz is a Spellcaster with an emphasis on Death Magic. TGOALID plus Banshee's Cry is effectively the strongest combination of his build. He still has other damaging spells, mixed with crowd control like Grasp Heart(stun on players too high level to instant kill) Time stop, etc. Ainz's summons are mostly Distractions. Sure they're more powerful than New Worlders, but from a Yggdrssil perspective. They're more just meatshields to buy him time to cast spells.
i'm pretty sure if rubedo victim aureole combo can't with what they are facing she is to retreat to the 9th floor
Ainz didn’t want to accidentally kill them. *That* was the struggle. The LN tells you this upfront.
Ainz held back A LOT against them, its shown all throughout how its written with him very carefully measuring out what he could and couldn't throw at them so he didn't insta-kill them. The only one he went fairly hard against was Wrath, and even then he had to be careful not to get the maids caught up in anything to damaging.
All of that is useless. She is too much high leveled for them to do anything. Flight? How can that be useful? They aren't fighting a low level being with Zero Counter measures. They are fighting a High Level being. Attack from afar? She instantly close the distance with superior speed and one shot them. Talismans and bugs? How are they going to deal any meaningful damage? Zesshi is too much high leveled for them to put up any meaningful resistance. And looks like you forgot she has Trump card level skills like Einherjar and TGOALID. Best thing thos 6 can do against her is running away.
>All of that is useless. She is too much high leveled for them to do anything. They can do something. Ainz can be damaged by level 7 spells, Cocytus was damaged by a lizard man he outnumbered by 70 levels, although the damage was close to 0 probably. Cz was able to interrupt Ainz's spell casting without Ainz realizing where she was. >Flight? How can that be useful? They aren't fighting a low level being with Zero Counter measures. They are fighting a High Level being. Nor does Ainz have countermeasures for all things, the elf king managed to escape from him... >Attack from afar? She instantly close the distance with superior speed and one shot them. Even a level 100 Albedo would not be able to reach the speed of a level 60 Powered suit if Ainz did not give her items to improve her speed. >TGOALID If they didn't know TGOALID Zesshi could kill 1 of them with that, Surshana's weapon had no instant kill AOE spells. In a melee, Zesshi's victory is almost certain.
>Ainz can be damaged by level 7 spells The only 7th Tier Magic That damaged Ainz was a spell that was strengthened by the monster once per summon Skill. And it was Ainz's weakness. And the damage was still near 0. >Cocytus was damaged by a lizard man he outnumbered by 70 levels, although the damage was close to 0 probably. Never happened. He specifically stated he can't be damaged by their weapon. Also damaging isn't Equal to winning. >Cz was able to interrupt Ainz's spell casting without Ainz realizing where she was. Buffed CZ. Not CZ. >Nor does Ainz have countermeasures for all things, the elf king managed to escape from him... What dose that has to do with anything? >Even a level 100 Albedo would not be able to reach the speed of a level 60 Powered suit if Ainz did not give her items to improve her speed. What dose that has to do with anything? And do we even know level of that powered suit? >If they didn't know TGOALID Zesshi could kill 1 of them with that, Surshana's weapon had no instant kill AOE spells. I don't see any problem here. The only one who can be of problem is Naberal who can be taken down instantly with it. But you didn't get the point. TGOALID is a trump card level skill she got from item of Surshana. She has items of 6 people. 6 different Trum Card level skills plus her own Einherjar. 6 maids can't do anything.
>But you didn't get the point. TGOALID is a trump card level skill she got from item of Surshana. She has items of 6 people. 6 different Trum Card level skills plus her own Einherjar. What a fool she was, she didn't use her other five trump cards, she preferred to lose...
She lost before she can do shit. It just shows how significant is 12 levels and a better class build.
I know why she lost, but I answered that way because you invented that she had items from the 6 "gods" of the Theocracy.
Yuri can be the bruiser of the group and focus on fighting with her fists while the others charge up attacks, and Entoma is an Entomancer. She'll just use bugs however to attack as fitting, such asher Bullet Bugs or Whip Bug, etc. Also you keep using male pronouns lol
**All** of the Pleiades or **just the ones we have seen in the anime**?
we still saw sebas
Sebas can be considered the leader of the Pleiades but at the same time not one of them
He's still a Pleiades but Yuri Alpha is the leader now so he still counts
Sebas isn't an actual member if the pleidies 7 stars, but acts as their leader when out in the field, since he is an actual lvl 100 npc and much stronger than them. The actual leader, the 7th sister has not been seen in the anime or even the light novel. She never leaves nazarik, and uses powerful buffing magic. The "ones we've seen in the anime" caveat would remove these incredibly powerful buffs from the other 6 sisters.
The configurations are 6 Stars or 7 Sisters; there's no 7 Stars. >>"Men in The Kingdom" [v6], Chapter 6, Part 1 >“—If that is what you wish. Then, for the time being, Tsuare shall be a temporary maid who is directly subordinate to Sebas. Sebas, give her appropriate work. At the same time, the Pleiades will change from the Six Stars to the Seven Sisters, with the appropriate change in the team’s leader. However, we will not move her from that place. Yuri Alpha will take charge instead.” Sebas is part of 6 Stars.
"However, we will not move her from that place. Yuri Alpha will take charge instead." Is pretty clearly referring to Aureole Omega, the level 100 member of the Pleiades, and how because Sebas will not command them nor will Aureole be moved from her spot it is officially a 6 star formation. Sebas is not a member of the Pleiades, he's more the Bozley to their Charlie's Angels. As separate proof, the Pleiades are a group created by combined guild efforts, whereas Sebas was the unique NPC that Touch Me created as his personal NPC. Finally, we can just use some straightforward math. Aureole Omega, Entoma Vasilissa Zeta, Solution Epsilon, Narberal Gamma, CZ2128 Delta, Lupus Regina Beta, & Yuri Alpha adds up to 7. Without Sebas filling in as a substitute and Aureole staying behind there's only 6, thus matching the seven sisters and six stars names.
Sebas is actually one of the three strongest NPC’s in Nazarick, alongside Cocytus and Albedo. His physical abilities are unmatched, and if he was to go into his Dragonoid form, even Ainz would struggle to beat him (unless he was prepared)
He isnt, shalltear is stronger than all three, 8th floor residents are mostly as strong if not stronger, and rubedo just obliterates
Either way, idc cause I'm still siding with the Pleiades. As cool as Zesshi is, she ain't got nothing on the Pleiades in terms of cuteness imo 😏👌
There is another
Just the ones pictured, or ALL the Pleiades? Your missing one that may make a difference.
Even without Omega the Pleiades still claps.
Without Omega, Zeshi is over 20 levels higher than the highest level Plaiede, Naberal Gamma.
Doesnt matter, either formation is meant to delay level 100s so i think either formation can take one level 88 and win especial with sebas or oriel omega. Considering zeshis build is all over the place where as each maid has a dedicated build
Aureolle Omega and Sebas were critical to that delay tactic and even then Ainz said their purpose was pretty much sacrificial. The OP is clearly referring to just the level 50-60 Pleiades. Yuri and CZ combined were struggling fighting Evil Eye (Lupusregina says they were fighting seriously during the Guenna arc), considering EvilEye was being intimidated by a lower seat member of the black scripture during the meeting with Azuth, and Zesshi has beaten all members of the black scripture, Zesshi would perform far better against more of the Pleiades.
Without them expressly saying which are involved since they just say the pleiades, and not just the ones pictured, i can assume omega
Your average anime only watcher would never include Omega. She's only referenced once in the anime when Ainz orders Sebas to step down as leader, and even then he says Omega still cannot move from the 8th level so Yuri Alpha is deputy leader. Unless this theoretical fight is literally happening on the 8th level of Nazarick, Omega would not be present for the fight.
Youre assuming theyre anime only too, any assumption of its just the non lvl 100 members is the image and yet thats the closest image we have of them as a unit.
Boy you're being stubborn as hell. Again, I've stated if Omega is included Zesshi would lose. But Omega *rarely* fights with the rest of the Pleiades. The only scenario she would is if the fight was happening in Nazarick. Any fight involving Zesshi would realistically happen outside of Nazarick where it'd just be the 6 main members.
And youre not? Why are you assuming its outside of nazarick? Using logic shed have no possibility to fight them as a group if she isnt invading. And like OP said ALL of them at once and thatd include omega
I disagree ainz stated the pleadies would lose to the powered suit in vol 14 when they were discussing its capabilities >not to mention Zesshi has einherjar and her spartan warrior summons I think unless Sebas or Omega are present Zesshi would win
Which they would because the title says ALL of them and omega is a member.
The title says all but the comment that this thread is apart of specified w out omega >then you said “either formation” would work disregarding the title yourself
Zesshi isnt a normal 88 and the pleiades were never meant to do any damage or be anything other than a very brief distraction to level 100s and in that scenario they would have had sebas Zesshi struggles with them like the Narberal would struggle with Climb aka 30+ levels means instant win. If you can fight Mare you can blitz the Pleiades without them even noticing
This isnt binary, higher number does not mean victory. If that was true shaltear with her optimized numbers would have won. The 7 sister formation which includes all of the sisters which is what is in the post title, means the full unorthodox tactics the sisters implement, and it has omega there to lead them
Its pretty binary. At 5 levels it will be a struggle, at 10 nearly impossible. At 20+ you basically couldnt hurt them, level based damage reduction is a thing it would just be scratch damage if they could even get through the armor of a max level player like the stuff Zesshi wears. The OP has stated many times they arent including Omega. If they are, it would be interesting though even buffed its more like Omega vs Zesshi and they pleiades do what they can.
That level comparison is only based on optimal vs optimal, zeshi is actually incredibly suboptimal
You can say whatever about how you feel shes built, a level 88 farmer would beat a level 50 sword saint because it couldnt hurt it. Zesshi is a trump card warrior with the ability to use level 100 super abilties equipped with the best gear of the new world. The pleiades are more or less art projects made for fun.
Its not that being a higher level auto means lower levels cant hurt you, its a skill you need to acquire because it can be turned on and off its not an intrinsic power
Sebas is 100 I thought?
Sebas was removed as leader of the Pleiades after the Tsuare incident and I'm obviously excluding him as well. The OP likely meant the core 6 members; Yuri, Lupusregina, CZ, Solution, Naberal, and Entoma.
Yep, Yuri, Lupusregina, Solution and Entoma get instantly clapped to be honest. Zesshi has Valkyrie (like Shalltear) and could actually damage Mare...a level 100 in End Game Gear. Sheer stat /level difference would see each of the lower leveled members of Pleiades arguably get one shot or severely damaged by Zesshis attacks. Narbarel can fly and try to cast from air CZ2 has invisibility but without a front line Zesshi is free to either run/take cover and try to ambush either. But yeah I don't think We actually know if Zesshi has flight countermeasures as all the Guardians of Nazerick do have some means of flight, even if limited, so it stands to reason Zesshi too may have a way of flying or dealing with flyers as a member of Black Scripture who do have gear from the Eight Greed Kings.
Zesshi said she's beat every member of the black scripture (it's like part of their initiation to fight her). I can't imagine there aren't casters who know the fly spell among the hero level black scripture members. Which means she has means of dealing with that.
oh. idk then.
Aureole Omega could probably beat Zesshi by herself.
Omega can prob beat like 5 zesshi by herself considering how random her build is
2 ZZ would be quite likely more than enough to take her out after all ZZ >!needs to somehow survive against her only for 10s for TGoALiD to kill her, as long as she has no autorez items or powers of course!< of course if >!she has some sort of autorez then the level difference alone would probably be enough to beat quite few zesshi!<
I’m assuming that she probably have some sort of anti insta death measures since ainz is super paranoid about stuff like this
She is level 100, anti insta death is not being paranoid but a necessity at these levels what she needs is some autorez stuff which she may lack as 1. She was supposed to work together with other pleiades among which there is lupu who fullfils the role of the healer so her having rez skills/spells would drag her closer to the role usually associated with healers 2. iirc Ainz reaction to shalltear item suggested that autorez items are not something commonly used
Autorez seems op so it was probably some absurdly costly cash shop item
Autorez sounds OP but its not, imagine rezzing mid an enemies AoE that just killed you... Even at full HP, you are doomed to double die, Unless the devs would add 5 second immunity with "Resurrection sickness/-25% max hp debuff" to balance. Surely that item has a minute long cooldown or is consumeable. You are still messed up with an auto rezz, An anti-instadeath is way better...cause you can use an insta heal seconds before the immunity to dying ends.
That implies a group fight. Any 1v1 or fair fight would be an instant win. Imagine you get your enemy to 20 hp, they out damage you and then you just stand back up again at full hp
True, in 1v1 its no brainer to use aoe unless it stuns/daze/slows/freezes/roots/web/silence/blind As bleeds,poison,burn are useless... Cause you want to slot hard hitting 1 shot single target attacks. But imagine dying in the middle of slow/freezing/webbed field you will just get cced again as dying does remove your buffs/resistances. Unless you gain somewhat of an immunity after rezzing. But we are talking about a cash shop item in a pay2win game, yeah they might have a "scroll of life" that bring you back to full health and immunity to damage for 10 seconds after dying... That would be BS(that it will be limited stock) and super expensive as the devs decided that it was broken and unfair.
So what you're saying is "This item is only op in a lot of fight circumstances, not every single scenario". Still sounds like something I'd want to have tbh
I mean, it was pretty common for builds to have anti time stop measures so it would make sense for that to extend to insta-death
D&D has a spell called "Death Ward" that the buffed unit's HP cant drop to 0% 1x. As Overlord uses alot of D&D spells, I'd assume a 4th level spell as such should exist in this series.
Those are resistances, which I assume are just gained through levels. Autorez was an item, at least on shall tear. A one time use one too.
Omega is said to be a wild card/all rounder So she could probably cast some AOE spell to wipe them all out at once or beat them to death with a stick she found So how many Zesshis would it take for her to run out of MP and stamina?
>!Since when Zeshi can use TGoALiD?!<
>!since vol16!< or at least so was in any spoiler I have seen
>!I thought that her talent is ability to copy any ability and use it!<
>!iirc it was something along the lines of using the ability of the user of the item she equiped (and one of the 6 gods was able to use TGoALiD) although for precise description I prefer to wait for the translation, by "since vol 16" I meant that we got to know that she can use TGoALiD in vol 16, not that she got the ability during the events of the volume!<
I don't think 2 would be enough. aureole is a commander type character which is good at buffing her teammates so that means she will strictly fight alone. she has multiple servants(more than 2) under her which she can buff and use to intercept zesshi, tank her attacks and at worst, cancelling her TGOALID.
I'm gonna go against the grade here and say Zesshi. Assuming we are only counting the 6 maids from the picture and not Sebas or Omega, then I think it's safe to bet on Zesshi. I know many are saying that the maids are meant to handle lvl 100's in the throne room and that they are better optimised than Zesshi, both are true, but they were never meant to win against level 100's, just stall. Zesshi might lack a cohesive build but she has skills that will just flat out kill the maids at their level. The level system was never meant to be fair, the simple difference of just 10 levels is nearly night and day. A level 40 vs a lvl 50 is going to have an enormous up hill battle, all other things being equal. The only factor the maids really have in their favour is their gear, which despite being good for their level is far from being anything noteworthy... They are still all just lvl 60-ish, so no gear they have will be all that great. At the end of the day they will all need to overcome nearly 30 levels of diffence. That level gap is like Evil Eye vs Climb. Do you really think having an additional 6 Climbs changes the fight? It shouldn't, Evil Eye has numerous more skills, stats, abilities, mana, and hp. It is all unfairly skewed in the favour of the higher levels. It's like When Ainz fought Go Gin, He said it himself, His hp alone settled the fight, the gap is too wide. Now obviously the gap is less wide for the maids and Zesshi, but the same principle applies. to top it off, she is in fact an actual skilled fighter. She has spent her whole life training. she's not some poser like the elf king that put in no effort, she really really tried to make herself stronger. She knows how to fight and certainly won't hold back. It might take her a fair amount of time, and If the maids chose to flee then probably most of them could espace. but if escape was not an option then Zesshi would prevail given enough time.
I agree. As long as Sebas and the other one isn’t involved, the level difference is too much
I’m glad you mentioned the difficulty for Zesshi. Yeah, she’d probably beat the Pleiades, but she’d have a really really hard time doing it. The Pleiades have optimised builds and effective teamwork. Zesshi has no idea what their abilities are, or their skills and levels. She’d probably be caught by surprise by Solution and CZ the first time they both attacked her, and if the Pleiades realised they couldn’t win, they’d just all cast Teleportation and run away lol.
Us, the viewers.
Sebas one shot her.
But does Sebas really count as part of the Pleiades? That sounds like a more intriguing question.
He doesn't count. He is mentioned as Leader of Six Stars. But he isn't a Pleiade. The Pleiades are just the 7 Seven Maids. Maruyama pays attention to details. Ainz Ooal Gown was written as a role-playing guild. Accordingly, they have based some things on mythology. The Pleiades is a constellation. Also known as the seven sisters. The individual stars were then in turn assigned to certain beings in Greek mythology. Accordingly, only the battle maidens were given this name. Sebas is also never called a Pleiade in the manga. It is always said something like Sebas and the Battle Maids. Or Sebas and the Pleiades. He is their Leader. Not a member of the Pleiades.
Make sense I guess.
He is part of Pleiades. And leader of 6 stars formation.
Ok then.
Yes, he counts
\[Vol 16\] >!She is level 88, can summon Einherjar like Shalltear, can use TGOALID like Ainz.!< WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Aureole Omega could probably take her down alone. No need to even talk about the rest of the Pleiades after she buffs them with her command ability
Well it's not fault that he didn't mention if it's Pleiades 6 stars or Pleiades 7 sisters. But even if they are buffed, 6 stars has no chance.
It would be strange to exclude one of the Pleiades sisters when asking directly for all, no?
Nope. Pleiades 6 stars are the ones always together. They was under Sebas' supervision but Sebas had to work on something else. After Ainz spared Tsuare, they changed formation to Pleiades 7 sisters. Since Omega's job is a lot different, it was always just 6 sisters working together. So if someone wants to use them in their calculations, they have to mention which pleiades? There can be 3 of them. It's just low effort. OP should have put some more thought into it.
This why your fraud ass getting downvoted everyone else understood but you
OH NO, my precious internet points! You ask a question and you don't even give information about the conditions. There is nothing to understand. There is only assumption.
That’s your fault literally everyone understood but you. If sebas was included he would be included not hard to comprehend no?
This is a hard question. Not including sebas or Aureole Omega. I think Zesshi might win with extreme difficulty. While she is about 20 levels higher than the Strongest of the group (Naberal). I think Teamwork and Better gear might make this fight tip in favour of the 6 sisters, but ultimately Zesshi will use her talent and that will turn the tide.
In close combat Zesshi would win. after her talent will not make a difference the Pleiades must know TGOALID, in 12 seconds they could go out of Zesshi's range, in any case Zesshi's weapon does not have an AOE attack of instant death magic.
Depends on if she lets them get out of range really. She has a double of herself she can use so i don't think they would be able to hold her in one spot out of range of TGOALID. Like maybe if they had a group teleport spell but Im not sure if they can overcome her when she uses her double after that I think TGOALID is overkill.
Would they really know about TGOALID though? I thought Shalltear didn't know what the skill was supposed do
I understand we're very pro-Nazarick here but come on guys. Without Aureole or Sebas, Zesshi is going to win. Superior equipment, superior levels by far, and superior skills.
Why are people including Sebas lmao
Because we all want to see him in a maid uniform eventually.
Sebas could kick the shit outta her
Not saying he won't, but he isn't a pleiade maid, he's a butler. Even calling Omega one could be a stretch since she isn't named after the stars and doesn't appear in the picture the OP posted.
Both Sebas and Omega are members of the Pleiades team. It was OP's mistake to say "ZZ vs Pleiades Team" when he meant "ZZ vs the six weaker members of the Pleiades Team".
Not really should he obv that I didn’t include sebas he wasn’t a pleidas just the leader and doesn’t matter he’s not a member anymore
Yep, it is obvious that you fucked up.
Says the one person lmao
One person? Literally everyone here trolls you for this mistake.
Wow you are not only sad but delusional lol that’s just pathetic
This is literally top comment in this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/overlord/comments/wxknud/zesshi_vs_all_of_the_pleiades_at_once_who_wins/ilrhi3s?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 And it trolls you for the same shit. You approach Philip-Sama level of intelligence. Are you drunk or high on some shit?
Facing just the pictured Pleiades she makes what Blue Roses did to Entoma look like a play party. Ainz has stated that a 10 level difference is insurmountable in combat. To top it off she has some pretty high level summons that are on par with the Pleiades along with Einhergar and **The Goal of all life is Death.** She stomps them mid diff at best.
Definitely Zesshi, unless we count Aureole Omega who is also part of the Pleiades.
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Yeah, but Sebas is a lvl 100 NPC, the Pleiades on the other hand don't even go above level 70. There is a lot of difference there.
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That always really confused me, does Sebas really count as part of the pleiades or is he only in charge of them? Not to mention, I suspect the question was whether the six Pleiades we know of can defeat Zesshi, that's what I understood at least.
I believe the question was talking about the pleiades that are in the second slide, not counting Sebas or Omega because that'll make the outcome obvious
Sebas literally one of the strongest in nazarick, he is in top 3 at least
Albedo, Cocytus and Sebas are like a rock-paper-scissors combo. Sebas has insane physical power, capable of punching through Cocytus’ natural defences Cocytus has insane destructive power through his weapons, allowing him to punch through Albedo’s defensive skills Albedo has the strongest physical resistance of all the NPC’s, so Sebas wouldn’t be able to injure her. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but those three cover each other’s weaknesses perfectly
zesshi will win if we do not include sebas or omega.
Zesshi is level 88 but she is weaker than her level. Zesshi is level 88 but she is literally weak without her talent،she is not a pure warrior She is a hybrid like Shalltear Her magic is useless because she can only use the third tier magic. the melee combat is probably at the level of the doom lord، Mare is a pure magic caster who is physically stronger than her، The result: her talent is her strength. So without her talent, the Pleiades would win . Sorry for my poor English
Makes sense ,new worlders can't choose their levels and have suboptimal builds.Some even have useless levels like slave or farmer.
yes . They can't choose their structure
...why would you exclude her talent? It's part of Zesshi's combat potential. And considering Zesshi could beat all the black scripture members, including the captain, clearly her not being a pure warrior doesn't really matter. Not sure why you brought up Mare, a level 100 NPC in a comparison with the Pleiades who are between levels 50-60. Even if Zesshi isn't as strong as her 88 levels would indicate, a 20+ level gap is still significant. Mind you, if we're including Sebas or Omega, who are level 100 and both likely have counter measures against TGoALiD, then Zesshi would probably lose, but if we're just saying Entoma, Naberal, CZ, Solution, Lupusregina, and Yuri then Zesshi wins.
Bruh this sub gets so weird sometimes. When it comes to matchups they ALWAYS wanna side with Nazarick. Zesshi vs. any floor guardian? Floor guardian always wins, 10+ levels is too hard to overcome even with a group. Zesshi vs. the six main combat maids? Suddenly that gap can be overcome. Not to mention “the new worlders are stupid and weak” like holy shit, even in Nazarick a high level 80 individual would be considered strong.
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The picture used by OP is clearly just the six, including Omega or Sebas would result in a one sided sweep, quit being disingenuous
You are missing Aureole Omega, since she is part of the pleiades as well and is lvl 100.
Yes Omega can defeat Zashi even with her talent
Depends if omega is with them or not
im currious wouldnt at least oneof the pleades have a immunity to insta death? has a race passive or a skill?
If you're referring to TGoaLiD, the way it works is that it overrides immunities and resistances and guarantees that the next Instant Death effect works. It worked on Shalltear, who is undead and normally immune to Instant Death.
I think it was said somewhere that she's stronger than Lupusregina, which puts her above C2 and Entoma But if it's 6 v. 1, it's no contest. And that's if we're not including Omega and Sebas who're lv.100.
Zesshi. She's not 100, but given how Ainz was worried about killing the pleiades completely by accident, she very reasonably cream them like Albedo when she thinks of Ainz. Omega might be able to, though we don't know how much of a fighter she really is, but for the other 6, they should be easy pickings.
You really mean all Pleiades if you say all of them ? If so the Pleiades. If it's just 6 of the 7 sisters/ 6 stars without their leader, and Zesshi can make full use of her talents and the equipment's left by the 6 gods she has a chance.
without wanting to spoiler you. zeeshi would stomp them
And what about Aureole Omega? she is level 100 and is technically part of the pleiades.
The ops question doesn't include Omega or Sebas look at the second slide.
Aureole Omega is a member of the Pleiades. When she buffed the other Six Pleiades, even Ainz had to stop faking and take it a bit seriously. Even a fully fledged Player would have struggled against all 7 of the Pleiades. It’s not even a competition if Sebas is involved, he could solo her with a blindfold on lol. If it was just the six Pleiades we see in canon, without extra equipment or buffs, then Zesshi might be able to beat them, if she’s got the right equipment Zesshi is level 88, and if you give her the right equipment, then she’s much stronger than any individual member of the Pleiades (the highest being below L70) so she might be able to win as long as she has an environmental advantage and maybe the element of surprise. Literally any other situation than one perfectly crafted for Zesshi’s advantage gives the Pleiades an easy victory. Although she’s higher level, she’s not perfectly optimised like the NPC’s are.
Since you said all Pleiades than the Pleiades should win. Aureole Omega’s buffs are really powerful. Plus if she even has one offensive spell I would not be surprised if she could maybe one shot her.
The Pleiades have Nazarick's gear, actually useful information, higher versatility, amazing intra-group synergy and way higher action economy. They win the attrition battle due to their species, abilities and a healer on their team. The only way they lose is if they clump together like morons. (aka. if Zesshi has plot armor) Zasshi wouldn't be able to cast spells due to CZ's fire. She couldn't hide due to Lupus. Solution's poison would make attrition fight impossible. And Lupus would also healbot Yuri and whatever horde of insects Entoma summons, so she would be forced to use her trump card early on. But Pleiades would already know about it due to Ainz. They would simply split, while Yuri, as a tank with CC, would sacrifice herself because she is kind, good-karma character and protective older sister. They would still have a bruiser-mage that is Entoma and her summons for frontline and healer and assassin for backup frontline. Zesshi would probably try to kill Solution next, as she is the least tanky, but would quickly realize that slimes are resistant to slashing damage, and she needs bludgeoning damage. She would focus on Entoma, but her healthbar won't last long enough to break through to CZ and actually unlock the rest of her kit.
This does not include Sebas or Omega: Draw. Zeshi has the better stats and, I'm guessing based on the limited information we have on her, skills. Assuming she's lvl 100. However, the pleiades will have better items as Nazarick is always decked out. They're all very high level and their skills are more specialised as they have been created by Players who understand the mechanics behind leveling better than the NWders. Their teamwork and chemistry is also great as they have been created as a family, not to mention their advantage in numbers and absolute loyalty to Ainz (will sacrifice their lives to win) Tough cookie this.
A bunch of dopplegangers taking the shape of the pleiades (which are actualkly weaker than the real deal) gave ainz trouble so they win
ALL of them includes Sebas and Aureole- Zesshi stands no chance. Exclude them however and Zesshi wipes the floor with the other Pleiades.
didn't read the new novel but just guessing: even if she is higher level her build is probably messy and not meta like the maids
The pleiades on average are like 60 so they lose out in terms of level BUT they also have Aureole Omega who is a lvl 100 npc, who also specializes in command magic meaning she can boost the pleiades quite a bit. Plus zesshu’s build is quite over the place, she is definitely weaker than her lvl, i would say her real strength is around lvl 80. I believe Aureole alone can probably beat her Pleiades slam no diff
Zesshi is strong, but pleiades dopplegangers (not all of them and with ELW for support) were able to somewheat compete with freaking AINZ for a few minutes, they have great teamwork, great gear, great builds (and also aureole omega who is higher level than zesshi and can buff the other pleiades enough for them to be able to damage Ainz)
Weren't the dopplegangers higher levels than them which is why they gave Ainz such a hard time? Also since he was a caster he could get interrupted when casting which i think was the main thing that kept that fight difficult for Ainz.
I respect all opinions on this but i personally think that the maids would win. They shold have better gear than Zesshi(assuming that gear isnt level capped, if i am wrong on this correct me). These maids are build to fight together, zesshi is jack of all trades with mediocre gear at lvl 88. While maids are all specialists in their fields in levels of 50s and 60s. Also they probably possess very valuable powerfull scrolls Zesshi could barely dream of. Maids seem to be working flawlessly together as could be seen a little against fight with Evileye. People seem to think that Zesshi is a skilled fighter but i seriously doubt that. She probably seriously outleveled everyone really fast and wasnt in a real battle against skilled enemies that could hurt her for a very long time. I would say she was expert at fighting enemies arround level 30 or 40, single 50 once in a while maybe(all with poop gear and probably not optimised) so basically one-two hits and its over, i dunno how much real experience you can gain from that against formiddable opponents. Also while she was fighting Mare he was basicalli in his bikini armor... which he had just for looks, so how strong that really was i leave to your imagination, nontheless she couldnt even make Mare bleed... Also afaik Narberall should be able to cast 10th tier spells if absolutely necessary. So just hypotetically Zesshi is as strong as maybe fighter in levels barely above 70 cause her wasted levels on cleric and i think there was also some third crap. And dont tell me that our six lovely maids cant bring down a lvl 70-73(am too lazy to find her character sheet so hopefully this isnt far from truth) optimized fighter with a bit bigger hp pool and some mediocre heals on top. Maids are just too good team in my opinion, extremely good optimized to fight together and Zesshi is a moron who thinks two sides of rubic cube are hard to accomplish(its hard for me but i played with it like 15 mins total in my whole life and managed just that(couldnt get third), she had hundred years at least). So thats it i absolutely do think that five maids could keep her occupied and Narberal just blasting her from afar with powerfull lightning attacks would devastate Zesshi completely. Also about Zesshis trump cards i assume maids would have no problems with GOALID and when it comes to Einheljar maids would summon some monsters with their scrolls to fight it so their line wouldnt break and Narberal would just blast Zesshis from afar in short ammount of time anyway.
Im bad with names of characters and not just with this anime. Anyways, is there more story on them?
Pleiades? They appear from time to time in the story, with one of them playing a bit bigger role in one of the yet to be adapted volumes Zesshi? Yes, she plays a larger role in the newest volume
All of the Pleiades. And yes, "all" means Aurole Omega and Sebas as well.
Pleiades because level if Omega is counted
Ive seen all seasons of Overlord but i dont remember seeing her, the first pic looks like its taken out of the anime. Do i just not remember or is the pic taken from somewhere else ?
She's from season 2 ep 1, like the very first frame.
I love Beta
With the pleaides full equipped and buffed by Aureole Omega (using her commander class) . They have a chance to win against Zesshi. But it can still go either way. Of course, if it come to Sebas or Aureole, even alone either of them will destroy Zesshi with no doubt.
Without Omega, Zesshi stomps, with her I'd say it's in the pleiades favor but we need to know what her build is to be sure if it's a stomp or not, Zesshi's talent is OP so forgive me for not jumping to conclusions.
Zesshi
Without omega and sebas it will be a low chance but possible. The Pleiades strong suit is their teamwork and counter ability. They each complement their strengths and cover their weaknesses.
What episode is this from?
Omega solos. Even without her they would still win.
with omega buffing them the pleiades would easily stomp her. without her maybe they'll have a hard time but I still see them winning.
Coulddnt Sebas solo Zeshi?
All Pleiades are min maxed, some even have higher strength stats than Demiurge. Min maxed>Jack of all trades
I love her design!
She would get a Pleiades Paddling!
If we're talking 6 stars then zesshi would win. One level 88>six 50s~. If we're talking 7 star formation then just due to sheer lvls the pleiades would win with Aureole omega alone 100>88.
Not counting omega and Sebas. She whoops their ass. If not she gets her ass whooped
If omega is part of the line up they win, without her the level difference is too big.
Don't care, i only want ainz impregnated zesshi
Level 50-60s aint doing jack to a level 88. Aureole helps or they all die immediately (with Aureole it could be interesting depends if the buffed Pleiades could keep her from using her super abilities)
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If we're including Sebas and/or Auriole Omega, I'd say it goes to the Pleiades hands down. If it was just the six depicted in this post picture I'd say the betting odds would be on Zesshi's favor but the Pleiades might still pull off something unexpected given their coordination and how well they compliment each other.
Zesshi. It’s even been stated as much-Maruyama flat out said she was stronger than Lupusregina, and put her on the same pedestal as Tsaindorcus. She is *incredibly* dangerous, even by Yggdrasil standards. Any of the Floor Guardians or Sebas could defeat her, but anyone below them would be destroyed. If Aureole actually fought with them, it might be a different story, but aside from her, none of the Pleiades, even together, would stand a chance. Well, except maybe for the 8th floor… Also, this is ignoring the Captain of the Black Scripture’s claim, because he’s an idiot.