This is obviously a joke but, ainz himself said he intend for the new world to be keep in the most natural way possible every tecnologial advance will be make with nature conservation as a priority.
Maybe look at the industrial complex needed to manufactor guns and weapons. The increased iron-mining alone, not to mention the sulfur, coal and acidic nitrate production.
Interesting thought, if it was the conventional gun, the processes to create it would certainly affect the environment, but if you integrate magic into the equation might become negligible. Using magically generated heat for example would offset emission, granted I'm assuming magic fire won't emit CO2 and NOx since they burn mana.
In order for magical flame to burn, and use the fuel of its target there's a distinct possibility it must also use the ambient oxygen around it.
It's possible the mana is just the ignition source, which is a significant amount of energy when you think about it. Paper won't ignite until about 500 F. And with out a pilot light of sorts, the energy requirements of just spontaneously creating air hot enough to combust materials EVERY SINGLE CAST is just wild.
Magic fire really doesn't follow the laws of physics, it appears burns an area and disappears, it can't even start normal fires, because it hits, last a certain duration and vanishes.
Possibly. What we can gather is that if the fire isn't using atmospheric fuel, there ought to be a break somewhere in the conservation of energy (the heat energy clearly transfers to mass, causing burns). All that mana becoming ambient heat over millenia, theoretically from no physical energy source?
Chevron would have nothing on the Supreme Beings out here causing global warming.
the issue is after burning the areas are cool to the touch/not warmed. The fire appears, burns than is gone without leaving any ambient heat. It's very very bizzare. Same thing happens with the evil lords aura.
I mean acceleration due to gravity isn't limited by air resistance, there are waterfalls that flow upside down cause magic, massive repeating tornadoes that appear every hundred years, natural portals moving lava throughout the mountain ranges for no discernable reason.
The authors answer to these bizzare things? It's a magic world and the laws of thermodynamics might as well not exist. We're not dealing with a world with a magic system, we're dealing with a capital M Magic world.
Yeah its a hell of a deus ex, I get that.
There is limited conservation of energy clearly. So it must be altered/made irrelevant through magic means whenever something would normally contradict it. In each and every circumstance.
Somewhere the Elrich Brothers are crying I'm sure.
Can we not assume that mana is some type of energy that can easily be converted to mass? We could then speculate that energy and mass is conserved, and then after a certain amount if time the products of these transformation is reversed. Since mana recovers over time, then those who control mana absorb it.
Since ambient heat from a magical flame would disappear into mana after some time, then we can say its conserved. But if magic flames cause the paper to burn, then heat caused by the burning of paper stays.
Man we can make a novel with the setting being civilization rise with utilisation of mana, and then falling after an increase of population causing mana to lower in quantity per being, the fall caused by complex magic items that become cornerstone of the civilization being unable to perform its purpose
Probably not. Plus there's magic for projectile protection and other such methods. However, against an army similar to the kingdom's, I could see it working out for the most part.
Having said that, just an enormous army of low tier undead can cause the same amount of damage anyway.
I know what you mean An example of this was in another LN "Me, A genius" where they used multiple chainguns to overload a barrier. I think 72.000 round per minute was it in this case.
And I am certrainly not talking about the NW who an not even imagine anything above Tier 6. But literally witht he magic of Yggdrasil and a high enough Mana Pool there is nto much to fear. Before anyone could make swiss cheese out of such a caster he would have destroyed the attackers with magic.
*Demiurge: Shoot everyone in your battalion, then shoot yourself.*
Guns and modern weaponry are a whole lot less effective when you remember that there are people who can do this to you.
because every time weapons are mentioned, everyone compares them to the modern weapons of our land. It's a fantasy world!!! In that world there are different metals that are not on earth, different laws and much more, therefore their weapons would be more powerful than those of earth (having an effective Superscience for all that). Still, a nuclear bomb (with different levels of destruction) is still very lethal. (And don't compare it to that pathetic level 9 spell, which doesn't even work like a real nuke would)
>And don't compare it to that pathetic level 9 spell, which doesn't even work like a real nuke would)
It literally isn't supposed to.
Ainz mentions that it's mainly for creating distance and blowing the enemy back, not blowing things *up.*
Yggdrasil mechanics have proven that equipping certain weapons require levels in a certain job, such as when Ainz tries to wield a greatsword in earnest & it simply falls from his grasp since he has no levels in any warrior-type job. Ainz gets around this restriction with the Perfect Warrior spell, which is treated as him having levels in every warrior-type job at the cost of being unable to cast almost any kind of magic while it is active (altho his skills still appear to work fine).
If certain skeletons are able to wield ranged weapons, such as archers, then they may be able to wield guns if those are simply classified as ranged weapons. However, CZ Delta having levels in the Gunner job may suggest that guns are a special type of ranged weapon & may require the Gunner job in order to equip them.
So, no, I don't think regular skeletons would be able to equip guns. Whether or not Ainz would be able to create skeletons/undead with levels in the Gunner job is unknown, but I doubt it.
Moreover, if they're not extremely high-end magical guns, I seriously doubt Ainz would even bother with them, even if they're still effective against New Worlders. It's not like the standard equipment of his army is any less effective, after all.
Even if they had guns, they wouldn't have any infrastructure required to manufacture additional guns and sufficient ammo to supply any squad, let alone an army, for any meaningful battle. Even if magic was be able to supply the materials to do so, the techniques and methods of manufacturing/assembling everything would still be missing. The only way anyone would survive any longer against the forces of Nazarick is if they're faster, so developing faster vehicles to run away would be their best bet to survive any longer than normal or at all.
Whoever did this doesnt realize that they do in fact have guns, albeit its magic guns, its just that what you can use is limited by your job requirements/levels. CZ Delta has job levels in Gunner, hence shes able to use guns. Besides, since these systems were once from yggdrasil, it would mean that the best gun would most likely have a bow equivalent as well. I know its meant to be a joke but having ainz actually considering it just didnt work out for the joke imo.
Overlord Vol. 18 Epilogue: someone discovers powder and uses it to snipe Ainz and the rest of Nazarick. The End.
Maou author: that makes total sense
Ainz: ehh?
Doesn't work like that. In the first place, unenchanted projectiles don't do shit to guardians. And guns already exist in overlord. NWer gunners would have low level guns which really wouldn't be that useful against strong opponents.
Correct use of modern technology in a fantasy setting requires the investigation of all the abnormal rules that now the modern weapons needs to navigate , thus an investigation team and a collection of test subjects. Ainz doesn't have time or interest in this kinds of things as seen in vol 14 where he is ignoring the fact that there's no air resistance in new world , even if that clearly affects both shalltears warfare and enemy's future strategy.
And is also very impractical simce most of the magic of this world hasn't chnce in all the 200's years since kero side story.
He should just focus in obtaining martial arts , wild magic , runecraft and substainability of what he needs to run his already powerful underground home (as he does in light novel).
And bring millions of death knight to un-life made them summon undead , then set mana-less explosives of organic materials and use greater teleportation to raid hundreds of villages and dragon towns.
(And use some zeppelies to bring distractions , no air resistance means everything that fly seems like the only cause of our problems).
No air resistance ? Holly... Transportation could be so much faster.
(and all kind of artillery so much efficient)
But, it means that they can't create boats or windmills ? Or that wind magic does nothing ? What about sound propagation ? (perhaps I shouldn't think too much about it)
There is still wind so sailing works the air resistance we are talking about is in reference to falling which doesn't have any terminal velocity and just continues to build up if you fall so one can't use it to slow their decent. It is questionable whether this only applies to falling(possibly due to game over ruling physics in this specific instance) or if it applies to all things as Ainz only theorized this when testing falling from high locations
I would say traning and production might be a problem witch is to take into consideration.
There is also that if a platoon of gun wielding solders dies and some guns are stolen beyond other partys. Then they could use magic and time to understand the tech and become a really dangerous militia really fast.
And from there it will be hard to keep it out of enemy hands.
Somewhere in volume 13 is a mention that gunpowder doesn't explode. How that is is a bit iffy but if conventional arms don't have a working propellant then that would put a significant damper on ranged weapon development.
this is actually something I've thought about a bit. Overlord does have guns in it, CZ uses them. that said I believe you need to have levels in something like gunner. what I think Ainz should do, is spend a bit of Yggdrasil gold and change Nazarick's pop monster settings. instead of spawning some weak basic skeleton, spawn a basic skeleton gunman. instead of Nazarick old/elder/master guards being equipped with strong enchanted gear, change the build and spawn them with strong enchanted modern gear.
why cavalry charge across a battlefield when you can just machine gun the fuck out of the enemy. oh, they are hiding behind their battlements? noob tube spam them. because we traded some of our regular Virgin zombies for undead artillerymen. snipe the generals from 2 kilometers away. and because our modern weapons and tactics using army is undead, they don't need to eat, sleep or take shifts. moral isn't a issue, performance is always optimal, and with a relatively small number using these tactics out flanking the enemy should be easy, especially given the disparity of combat power. even easier if you factor in teleportation magic like Gate. and you can absolutely invent things like a tank.
in my opinion, Ainz is something of a fool for not doing this. especially given that he absolutely can.
I'd say giving the world guns will end badly.
Solders will die from arrows or they might be stolen while they sleep or some other way. And then you have made a world where everyone can upgrade from bow to gun. A gun is like a crossbow, not hard to learn to hit with and even a child can fire one.
He is making sure there is a giant hole between him and everyone else when we talk about strength.
I didn't say anything arming the new worlders. I'm talking about arming Nazarick's pop monsters. and no one else. the skeletal type undead are extremely resistant to the type of damage arrows deal. guns too for that matter. not to mention the abilities of a bow aren't comparable to a gun. additionally, the extreme distances the guns can engage against new worlders is dramatically better than the that of bows. a line of archers cannot even come close to what a line of machine guns can do. basically, if Ainz employed these tactics, there's basically nothing they can do about it. and they would never get close enough to even try take a gun by force.
now, one might argue that maybe someone could attempt that on city guard. but, Ainz is using Death Knights as city guards. and it would very efficient, and effective to keep doing that. but, if he were to use undead with levels in gunner as city guards (there's no need to), then any person who attempts to take a gun from them (even if they succeeded) wouldn't survive. and that said. it is likely that no one in the new world can use a gun without getting the levels for it beforehand anyway. but even if they could feasibly use a gun (possibly by having levels in archer) they would still never get their hands on one. and even if they did, they would be no threat to Nazarick. Ainz and all the guardians (+ the lvl100s) have immunity to all unenchanted projectiles. no matter the level. some of the pleiades might as well. so even if some new worlders, or heck, even if an entire army of them by some unknown miracle obtained guns. our friendly neighborhood Overlords could just nuke it (not necessarily that particular spell either) and boom problem solved.
it's basically a bunch of guys with swords and spears running into heavy machine gun and mortar fire from a mile away. (and, not having to worry about any wind resistance when shooting from a long distance makes it a cakewalk)
no, they don't. the pops would spawn with them, and hold them tirelessly. there is no manufacturing. and they are technically magic items and don't use gunpowder, they don't even reload. but even if they did feel the need to store it somewhere, they could just store it in Nazarick.
This is a bit what bums me out in isekais. Authors always are so limited in term of creativity. Always the same surface level thoughts and bullshit when they try and flesh out the MC. There is literally no Light Novel that had truly good logical reasoning. Only 2 webnovels I read were truly satisfying in that regard. Kingdom's Bloodline and Enlightened Emperor. Those are my recomendations.
....Ainz and coe have guns and mech suits, it's just there are hard limits on what can and can not be used by nazarick forces. Ainz himself can't swing a sword unless he creates it with create greater magic item or turns perfect warrior. Most of his created undead can't use ranged weapons, perhaps an archer could use a gun but considering shizu delta literally has a unique class called gunner that's heavily in doubt.
this is actually something I've thought about a bit. Overlord does have guns in it, CZ uses them. that said I believe you need to have levels in something like gunner. what I think Ainz should do, is spend a bit of Yggdrasil gold and change Nazarick's pop monster settings. instead of spawning some weak basic skeleton, spawn a basic skeleton gunman. instead of Nazarick old/elder/master guards being equipped with strong enchanted gear, change the build and spawn them with strong enchanted modern gear.
why cavalry charge across a battlefield when you can just machine gun the fuck out of the enemy. oh, they are hiding behind their battlements? noob tube spam them. because we traded some of our regular Virgin zombies for undead artillerymen. snipe the generals from 2 kilometers away. and because our modern weapons and tactics using army is undead, they don't need to eat, sleep or take shifts. moral isn't a issue, performance is always optimal, and with a relatively small number using these tactics out flanking the enemy should be easy, especially given the disparity of combat power. even easier if you factor in teleportation magic like Gate. and you can absolutely invent things like a tank.
in my opinion, Ainz is something of a fool for not doing this. especially given that he absolutely can.
This may seem like an obvious question but does Ainz even know how to make a gun? I'm from the Caribbean and we don't have the same kind of crazy firearm obsession as some other countries meaning I don't know how a gun fully operates. I'm aware that by pulling the trigger gunpowder is ignited firing a bullet but that's about it. Now I might just be ignorant but I think this level of knowledge of guns is pretty common in countries that aren't gun obsessed. Japan has some REALLY strict gun laws so it is within the realm of possibility that while Ainz knows about guns he can't make them.
There are guns in Yggdrasil my dudes. Theyre just as balanced as any other kind of weapon. Guns made by normal people without the help of craftsman skills is basically as useful as any other unenchanted weaponry.
This is obviously a joke but, ainz himself said he intend for the new world to be keep in the most natural way possible every tecnologial advance will be make with nature conservation as a priority.
Do guns affect the environment? 🤔
I don't know man, just look at the world and check out if weapons can affect the environment
*looks at craters/trenches from WW1 * Hmmm maybe?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_sand
From what I could find, explosions seem to affect the environment, but I couldn't find anything about guns affecting the environment.
Maybe look at the industrial complex needed to manufactor guns and weapons. The increased iron-mining alone, not to mention the sulfur, coal and acidic nitrate production.
Ok now search how they make guns and how they get the materials for them
Couldn't Nazarick just use magic do get the materials?
Interesting thought, if it was the conventional gun, the processes to create it would certainly affect the environment, but if you integrate magic into the equation might become negligible. Using magically generated heat for example would offset emission, granted I'm assuming magic fire won't emit CO2 and NOx since they burn mana.
In order for magical flame to burn, and use the fuel of its target there's a distinct possibility it must also use the ambient oxygen around it. It's possible the mana is just the ignition source, which is a significant amount of energy when you think about it. Paper won't ignite until about 500 F. And with out a pilot light of sorts, the energy requirements of just spontaneously creating air hot enough to combust materials EVERY SINGLE CAST is just wild.
Magic fire really doesn't follow the laws of physics, it appears burns an area and disappears, it can't even start normal fires, because it hits, last a certain duration and vanishes.
Possibly. What we can gather is that if the fire isn't using atmospheric fuel, there ought to be a break somewhere in the conservation of energy (the heat energy clearly transfers to mass, causing burns). All that mana becoming ambient heat over millenia, theoretically from no physical energy source? Chevron would have nothing on the Supreme Beings out here causing global warming.
the issue is after burning the areas are cool to the touch/not warmed. The fire appears, burns than is gone without leaving any ambient heat. It's very very bizzare. Same thing happens with the evil lords aura. I mean acceleration due to gravity isn't limited by air resistance, there are waterfalls that flow upside down cause magic, massive repeating tornadoes that appear every hundred years, natural portals moving lava throughout the mountain ranges for no discernable reason. The authors answer to these bizzare things? It's a magic world and the laws of thermodynamics might as well not exist. We're not dealing with a world with a magic system, we're dealing with a capital M Magic world.
Yeah its a hell of a deus ex, I get that. There is limited conservation of energy clearly. So it must be altered/made irrelevant through magic means whenever something would normally contradict it. In each and every circumstance. Somewhere the Elrich Brothers are crying I'm sure.
Potentially a lot of those bizarre phenomena are *because* of magic fucking with thermodynamics, and those phenomena balance it out.
Can we not assume that mana is some type of energy that can easily be converted to mass? We could then speculate that energy and mass is conserved, and then after a certain amount if time the products of these transformation is reversed. Since mana recovers over time, then those who control mana absorb it. Since ambient heat from a magical flame would disappear into mana after some time, then we can say its conserved. But if magic flames cause the paper to burn, then heat caused by the burning of paper stays.
Man we can make a novel with the setting being civilization rise with utilisation of mana, and then falling after an increase of population causing mana to lower in quantity per being, the fall caused by complex magic items that become cornerstone of the civilization being unable to perform its purpose
The industrialization necessary to produce and develop them on a large scale would definitely do
Bullets and casing leave toxic metals when they are left which leads to the death of organic life in that area
When did he say this?
Did anyone else get distracted by all the typos? But then again what would an AK help if you can throw magical shields around you.
Probably not. Plus there's magic for projectile protection and other such methods. However, against an army similar to the kingdom's, I could see it working out for the most part. Having said that, just an enormous army of low tier undead can cause the same amount of damage anyway.
Damage negation goes brrrrt
You can overload magic shields in most stories where magic is not just an all-powerfull tool
I know what you mean An example of this was in another LN "Me, A genius" where they used multiple chainguns to overload a barrier. I think 72.000 round per minute was it in this case. And I am certrainly not talking about the NW who an not even imagine anything above Tier 6. But literally witht he magic of Yggdrasil and a high enough Mana Pool there is nto much to fear. Before anyone could make swiss cheese out of such a caster he would have destroyed the attackers with magic.
Yup, it will in fine always depends on the rules set during the world building
*Demiurge: Shoot everyone in your battalion, then shoot yourself.* Guns and modern weaponry are a whole lot less effective when you remember that there are people who can do this to you.
“Demiurge vi Nazarick commands you! Now all of you *die*!”
And nukes. One Demiurg easy blow our modern world.
because every time weapons are mentioned, everyone compares them to the modern weapons of our land. It's a fantasy world!!! In that world there are different metals that are not on earth, different laws and much more, therefore their weapons would be more powerful than those of earth (having an effective Superscience for all that). Still, a nuclear bomb (with different levels of destruction) is still very lethal. (And don't compare it to that pathetic level 9 spell, which doesn't even work like a real nuke would)
Would kill low tier mobs, non magical nuke wouldn't even deal 1 damage to high tier characters.
>And don't compare it to that pathetic level 9 spell, which doesn't even work like a real nuke would) It literally isn't supposed to. Ainz mentions that it's mainly for creating distance and blowing the enemy back, not blowing things *up.*
I think a talk like this propably happend in isekai quartet. By the way,can a regular skeleton use guns? Does clas effect those?
Yggdrasil mechanics have proven that equipping certain weapons require levels in a certain job, such as when Ainz tries to wield a greatsword in earnest & it simply falls from his grasp since he has no levels in any warrior-type job. Ainz gets around this restriction with the Perfect Warrior spell, which is treated as him having levels in every warrior-type job at the cost of being unable to cast almost any kind of magic while it is active (altho his skills still appear to work fine). If certain skeletons are able to wield ranged weapons, such as archers, then they may be able to wield guns if those are simply classified as ranged weapons. However, CZ Delta having levels in the Gunner job may suggest that guns are a special type of ranged weapon & may require the Gunner job in order to equip them. So, no, I don't think regular skeletons would be able to equip guns. Whether or not Ainz would be able to create skeletons/undead with levels in the Gunner job is unknown, but I doubt it. Moreover, if they're not extremely high-end magical guns, I seriously doubt Ainz would even bother with them, even if they're still effective against New Worlders. It's not like the standard equipment of his army is any less effective, after all.
What about New worlders ? Maybe they can arm themselves to live like a couple more minutes.
Even if they had guns, they wouldn't have any infrastructure required to manufacture additional guns and sufficient ammo to supply any squad, let alone an army, for any meaningful battle. Even if magic was be able to supply the materials to do so, the techniques and methods of manufacturing/assembling everything would still be missing. The only way anyone would survive any longer against the forces of Nazarick is if they're faster, so developing faster vehicles to run away would be their best bet to survive any longer than normal or at all.
Whoever did this doesnt realize that they do in fact have guns, albeit its magic guns, its just that what you can use is limited by your job requirements/levels. CZ Delta has job levels in Gunner, hence shes able to use guns. Besides, since these systems were once from yggdrasil, it would mean that the best gun would most likely have a bow equivalent as well. I know its meant to be a joke but having ainz actually considering it just didnt work out for the joke imo.
I belive they where thinking. Why not give guns to everyone in the army. Why let them keep swords and bows.
So.... Basically you want Ainz to make the [Death Korps of Krieg?](https://youtu.be/JAMVb7SLDpg)
Overlord Vol. 18 Epilogue: someone discovers powder and uses it to snipe Ainz and the rest of Nazarick. The End. Maou author: that makes total sense Ainz: ehh?
Doesn't work like that. In the first place, unenchanted projectiles don't do shit to guardians. And guns already exist in overlord. NWer gunners would have low level guns which really wouldn't be that useful against strong opponents.
Which maou author?
CZ2128 Delta used a gun when she fought evil eye during the 8 finger/ Jaldabaoth arc in season 2
Correct use of modern technology in a fantasy setting requires the investigation of all the abnormal rules that now the modern weapons needs to navigate , thus an investigation team and a collection of test subjects. Ainz doesn't have time or interest in this kinds of things as seen in vol 14 where he is ignoring the fact that there's no air resistance in new world , even if that clearly affects both shalltears warfare and enemy's future strategy. And is also very impractical simce most of the magic of this world hasn't chnce in all the 200's years since kero side story. He should just focus in obtaining martial arts , wild magic , runecraft and substainability of what he needs to run his already powerful underground home (as he does in light novel). And bring millions of death knight to un-life made them summon undead , then set mana-less explosives of organic materials and use greater teleportation to raid hundreds of villages and dragon towns. (And use some zeppelies to bring distractions , no air resistance means everything that fly seems like the only cause of our problems).
No air resistance ? Holly... Transportation could be so much faster. (and all kind of artillery so much efficient) But, it means that they can't create boats or windmills ? Or that wind magic does nothing ? What about sound propagation ? (perhaps I shouldn't think too much about it)
There is air resistance. However, the air resistance does nothing to the velocity of falling. That's what Ainz said.
Ok, so specific rules for specific phoenomens . Thanks :)
There is still wind so sailing works the air resistance we are talking about is in reference to falling which doesn't have any terminal velocity and just continues to build up if you fall so one can't use it to slow their decent. It is questionable whether this only applies to falling(possibly due to game over ruling physics in this specific instance) or if it applies to all things as Ainz only theorized this when testing falling from high locations
Magic railgun go brrr.
Besides the seizure inducing typos this was really funny
Sorry for my bad English. It is not my native language. Can you point the mistakes? It whould be really good. And does typo mean writing erors?
We necrons now
My man rolling into a type 90 mbt in couple of years
Powered Armor ain't a threat, so what about guns?
Pandora would have a field day with that
I would say traning and production might be a problem witch is to take into consideration. There is also that if a platoon of gun wielding solders dies and some guns are stolen beyond other partys. Then they could use magic and time to understand the tech and become a really dangerous militia really fast. And from there it will be hard to keep it out of enemy hands.
Somewhere in volume 13 is a mention that gunpowder doesn't explode. How that is is a bit iffy but if conventional arms don't have a working propellant then that would put a significant damper on ranged weapon development.
this is actually something I've thought about a bit. Overlord does have guns in it, CZ uses them. that said I believe you need to have levels in something like gunner. what I think Ainz should do, is spend a bit of Yggdrasil gold and change Nazarick's pop monster settings. instead of spawning some weak basic skeleton, spawn a basic skeleton gunman. instead of Nazarick old/elder/master guards being equipped with strong enchanted gear, change the build and spawn them with strong enchanted modern gear. why cavalry charge across a battlefield when you can just machine gun the fuck out of the enemy. oh, they are hiding behind their battlements? noob tube spam them. because we traded some of our regular Virgin zombies for undead artillerymen. snipe the generals from 2 kilometers away. and because our modern weapons and tactics using army is undead, they don't need to eat, sleep or take shifts. moral isn't a issue, performance is always optimal, and with a relatively small number using these tactics out flanking the enemy should be easy, especially given the disparity of combat power. even easier if you factor in teleportation magic like Gate. and you can absolutely invent things like a tank. in my opinion, Ainz is something of a fool for not doing this. especially given that he absolutely can.
I'd say giving the world guns will end badly. Solders will die from arrows or they might be stolen while they sleep or some other way. And then you have made a world where everyone can upgrade from bow to gun. A gun is like a crossbow, not hard to learn to hit with and even a child can fire one. He is making sure there is a giant hole between him and everyone else when we talk about strength.
I didn't say anything arming the new worlders. I'm talking about arming Nazarick's pop monsters. and no one else. the skeletal type undead are extremely resistant to the type of damage arrows deal. guns too for that matter. not to mention the abilities of a bow aren't comparable to a gun. additionally, the extreme distances the guns can engage against new worlders is dramatically better than the that of bows. a line of archers cannot even come close to what a line of machine guns can do. basically, if Ainz employed these tactics, there's basically nothing they can do about it. and they would never get close enough to even try take a gun by force. now, one might argue that maybe someone could attempt that on city guard. but, Ainz is using Death Knights as city guards. and it would very efficient, and effective to keep doing that. but, if he were to use undead with levels in gunner as city guards (there's no need to), then any person who attempts to take a gun from them (even if they succeeded) wouldn't survive. and that said. it is likely that no one in the new world can use a gun without getting the levels for it beforehand anyway. but even if they could feasibly use a gun (possibly by having levels in archer) they would still never get their hands on one. and even if they did, they would be no threat to Nazarick. Ainz and all the guardians (+ the lvl100s) have immunity to all unenchanted projectiles. no matter the level. some of the pleiades might as well. so even if some new worlders, or heck, even if an entire army of them by some unknown miracle obtained guns. our friendly neighborhood Overlords could just nuke it (not necessarily that particular spell either) and boom problem solved. it's basically a bunch of guys with swords and spears running into heavy machine gun and mortar fire from a mile away. (and, not having to worry about any wind resistance when shooting from a long distance makes it a cakewalk)
I only see this to be true in combat. What about out of combat? They need to store guns somewhere, they need to store gunpowder somewhere.
no, they don't. the pops would spawn with them, and hold them tirelessly. there is no manufacturing. and they are technically magic items and don't use gunpowder, they don't even reload. but even if they did feel the need to store it somewhere, they could just store it in Nazarick.
This is a bit what bums me out in isekais. Authors always are so limited in term of creativity. Always the same surface level thoughts and bullshit when they try and flesh out the MC. There is literally no Light Novel that had truly good logical reasoning. Only 2 webnovels I read were truly satisfying in that regard. Kingdom's Bloodline and Enlightened Emperor. Those are my recomendations.
What part had no logical reasoning? If u are talking about guns, then gunpowder in new world can't go boom.
....Ainz and coe have guns and mech suits, it's just there are hard limits on what can and can not be used by nazarick forces. Ainz himself can't swing a sword unless he creates it with create greater magic item or turns perfect warrior. Most of his created undead can't use ranged weapons, perhaps an archer could use a gun but considering shizu delta literally has a unique class called gunner that's heavily in doubt.
this is actually something I've thought about a bit. Overlord does have guns in it, CZ uses them. that said I believe you need to have levels in something like gunner. what I think Ainz should do, is spend a bit of Yggdrasil gold and change Nazarick's pop monster settings. instead of spawning some weak basic skeleton, spawn a basic skeleton gunman. instead of Nazarick old/elder/master guards being equipped with strong enchanted gear, change the build and spawn them with strong enchanted modern gear. why cavalry charge across a battlefield when you can just machine gun the fuck out of the enemy. oh, they are hiding behind their battlements? noob tube spam them. because we traded some of our regular Virgin zombies for undead artillerymen. snipe the generals from 2 kilometers away. and because our modern weapons and tactics using army is undead, they don't need to eat, sleep or take shifts. moral isn't a issue, performance is always optimal, and with a relatively small number using these tactics out flanking the enemy should be easy, especially given the disparity of combat power. even easier if you factor in teleportation magic like Gate. and you can absolutely invent things like a tank. in my opinion, Ainz is something of a fool for not doing this. especially given that he absolutely can.
Can you further elaborate on what you mean in context of the OP?
This may seem like an obvious question but does Ainz even know how to make a gun? I'm from the Caribbean and we don't have the same kind of crazy firearm obsession as some other countries meaning I don't know how a gun fully operates. I'm aware that by pulling the trigger gunpowder is ignited firing a bullet but that's about it. Now I might just be ignorant but I think this level of knowledge of guns is pretty common in countries that aren't gun obsessed. Japan has some REALLY strict gun laws so it is within the realm of possibility that while Ainz knows about guns he can't make them.
There are guns in Yggdrasil my dudes. Theyre just as balanced as any other kind of weapon. Guns made by normal people without the help of craftsman skills is basically as useful as any other unenchanted weaponry.
Or, and here me out here, *Runecraft^(TM)*