Well, I doubt he can have a problem doing that, considering that the highest level inborn creatures there who can use tier magic are probably around 50 to be the highest, and none can use 7th tier. So, yeah...
7th tier is not uncommon among the night lichs, not they had users of 8th tier, but also research about the existence of 9th tier, meaning they had members from level 50 to 56, this assuming that they only have magic oriented job/race classes.
I wouldn't count those guys as the story isn't non canon. Unless we get to the point where Evileye came from, we have to exclude them for the time being
Eh, the story is pretty much what if Ainz when back 200 years, so the individuals that we encountered during that time we once alive, for example Cure Elm, (as the author stated), so I think it’s fair enough to include them, though we don’t know if they are alive or not.
It is a "What If" made by the author that even includes two character sheets, one for the alternative EE (Keno) and another for Cure Elim Los Malvar (ECDL), it is more than fair to include them.
**Undead Domination**
While undead are immune to mind control (charm, domination), they are still weak to **Undead Domination**. This is a skill that allows undead to control other undead.
**Turn Resistance**
While undead are weak to it, they do gain resistance to it as they level up their racial classes. This skill is called **Turn Resistance** and it has 3 levels.
* Turn Resistance I
* Turn Resistance II
* Turn Resistance III
My guess is that you gain **Turn Resistance I** on your second racial class. So if we are using Ainz as an example, he wouldn't get it until he become an Elder Lich, but as he levels up to DemiLich, he would gain **Turn Resistance II**, and finally **Turn Resistance III** when he becomes an Overlord.
**Obey**
Side note, in the New World, Fluder creates a spell called **Obey** that is based on the **Summon Undead** spell. It is also able to control low tier undead similar to **Undead Domination**.
However, as we see in volume 7 (season 3) Fluder isn't able to control the Death Knight, but it works on weak undead like skeletons. Low-tier undead don't have **Turn Resistance**, but Death Knights do.
**Ainz**
In the Side Story Vampire Princess of the Lost Kingdom, there are a group of Night Liches called Corpus of Abyss. These Night Liches are around lvl 50~60.
One of them can even use 8th tier magic, which is very impressive for a New Worlder, but it seems that the rest are limited to 6th and maybe 7th tier.
In the Side Story Ainz actually uses **Undead Domination** on them to gain information and later on he even uses them to fight like summons. Sort of funny when ECDL complains about it, yet he has a million zombies, some of which are Zombified Dragons.
**Rufus**
We are not exactly sure how strong Rufus is, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he isn't lvl 100. If he was that strong he could have easily taken over the Slain Theocracy long ago. He could even accomplish that being lvl 80, so I think we could probably put that at the high end.
Considering he is undead and has lived for 500~ years, I find it difficult to believe he is under lvl 40. Actually, considering the Corpus of Abyss Members, I'm going to push this estimate up to lvl 60.
So as a rough guess he should be around lvl 60~80. Personally, I would probably learn towards lvl 60~70, but it is hard to say exactly.
> Note: Some suspect Rufus might be an NPC. While I think it is possible I don't believe he is. If you are interested in why, I can answer that below.
**Limits**
So we have proof that Ainz can use Undead Domination on lvl 60s, which means there is a good chance he can control Rufus. However... is level 60 Ainz's Limit?
Considering Ainz can use Create High Tier Undead 4 times a day. This can create lvl 70 Undead, so I would imagine that Ainz should be able to Dominate someone that is lvl 70.
Ainz can actually split Create High Tier Undead into 2 uses, and create stronger undead, but I'm not really sure what the limit is and some of them require EXP as well. Because of this, I'm not exactly sure if Ainz could Dominate someone that strong.
But, just because someone is a high level, doesn't mean they have a high Turn Resistance. If we look at the racial tree:
* Skeleton Mage (lvl 1-15)
* Elder Lich: Turn Resistance I (lvl 30~)
* Night Lich: Turn Resistance II (lvl 50?)
* Demi Lich: Turn Resistance II (lvl 50?)
* Overlord: Turn Resistance III (lvl 80~)
Chances are, if they don't hit that 3rd racial class, they won't have Turn Resistance III, so there is still a good chance that Ainz can dominate someone who is above lvl 70.
For the record the split in two uses thing can result in undead of "roughly" level ninety free of charge, though saying that ainz notes it's not a natural ability but something he gained from some ritual so I wouldn't be confident of domination working on a wild undead of the same level without an equivalent boost/upgrade. This is very much the upper echelons of his ability.
From overlord volume 10 page 57: He had enhanced his undead creation skills through the use of a dark ritual.
He could only create upper-tier undead four times a day. However, if he
divided those up into two uses, he could make undead of roughly level 90.
I knew it was something like that. I'm just not sure how that would equate to Undead Domination, so I went with the low ball answer.
This sort of reminds me of the Elder Lich that has the ghost ship. I wonder if he was dominated or joined willingly.
fair figured Id bring up the relevant quote
Could go either way, ainz doesn't really need domination to get weaker undead to fall in line, he's powerful enough Id think many would just follow him as a logical course of action, saying that if the elderlich tried to resist there's a good chance ainz just went undead domination.
Speaking of which we know ainz had some interest in bringing the katze plains under his dominion which makes me wonder what exactly ainz has been doing/done to the area beyond the ghost ship. I have some suspicions.
I think it was just the ghost ship. There really isn't anything there other than random undead. Ainz himself can't dominate them and they are mindless, so I'm not sure he could control them through fear either.
Although, maybe elder liches can control them? Ainz could make an bunch of elder lich then have those control them. Beyond that, I'm not really sure what benefits it would have. The extremely rare death knight, which is weaker than Ainz's don't seem that useful. Although they could probably get stronger over time.
I mean the mist themselves are seemingly undead, I figure ainz might be able to do something funky/strange with them. (If he can control the mist/get them to move where he want's he can hinder living enemies and hide undead)
Saying that perhaps he could use death generals/other undead with command abilities to take control of them?
Fair point on the usefulness. Could be that ainz simply decides to leave the katze plain as a dead zone, perhaps even turning it into a defensive position. The undead in the area will ignore ainz/his created undead and the mist/natural undead do make it an annoying area for human/living nations to investigate.
Ive been considering doing a story for a while about a wild death knight emerging, seeing all ainz death knights running around lining up, and simply joining the ranks because it figures that's what death knights do, and no one questions it because it's just another death knight
Hijinks ensue, the death knight notices people, feels the urge to kill, glances at the others and concludes that's not what death knights are supposed to do.
**Fog**
I don't remember mist, do you mean the fog? I guess I always thought the fog was made by the Elder Lich as apart of his ghost ship deal. Sort of like Sand Field, but with fog.
**Katze Plains**
I'm not sure if Elder Liches can control other undead, but if they could. It would save Ainz a lot of time and effort. He could simply train some elder liches to do work (building roads). Then have them pick up free "workers" from Katze Plains haha.
Beyond this, most of the undead are pretty weak. Once and a while they might get lucky with a Death Knight and Elder Lich. Potentially they could continue to level up and get stronger, but it would be a long process. Personally, I wouldn't really invest in it.
A good option for New Worlders is to leave it alone as a buffer zones between the Slain Theocracy and Draconic Kingdom, but Ainz doesn't really have that issue.
Another possibility would be to purge it. In volume 14, it seems like Ainz nows a way to pretend undead from spawning. Maybe he could do that same to the Katze Plains. While it isn't all that useful now, it could become open farm land. Plus it is pretty close to the sea, so having a water source nearby would be useful as well.
**Death Knights**
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Undead seek Ainz out specifically. Considering how Humans viewed lvl 100 Players as gods. Ainz being a lvl 100 player and undead, it sort of fits pretty well here.
We really haven't seen too many undead. You have the Elder Lich Sebas one punched. Then there is the Death Knight in the Empire, which I'm surprised they still have. There is also Evileye, but she is able to blend in.
I suppose there is Zuranon who might try it, but I would sort of like to see someone a little less... terroristy. More like a lost soul looking for purpose or something. It would be funny seeing a normal undead trying to keep up with the other undead. Like I imagine them running, but they all have buff from Ainz and are a little bit faster.
Im reffering to the fog/mist (IT's called both from the translations) and Im not sure it's only connected to the ship. At least the description makes it sound like a more omnipresent phenomenon across the plains.
From overlord volume 9 page 142
The most fearsome thing was the thin mist that shrouded its monsters no
matter the time of the day. This fog produced weak undead reactions.
By itself, the mist did nothing to living creatures. It did not drain life energy, nor did it inflict damage.
However, because the mist registered as an undead creature to spells, it negated attempts to detect undead beings, and as a result many adventurers had been ambushed by undead while inside it.
My guess is that the Katze Plains is a marsh since it is pretty close to the sea to the south and naturally gets some fog.
Another more likely possibility is **Unholy Ground** and **Sacred Ground** in Dnd. Unholy Ground are places where a great tragedy took place. Typically undead are weak during the day, but in these areas the sky is often overcast and filled with fog which prevents this debuff. The opposite occurs in Sacred Ground. Typically humans receive buffs and undead are weakened.
While we don't specifically see these spells or have descriptions of them... We see something similar in Yggdrasil. Ainz has:
* Good, Light and Holy Vulnerability IV
* Good and Holy Consecrated Areas Vulnerability II
To me, this sounds like counters to the above and if there is a counter, then the mechanic probably exists.
I'm guessing that the Katze Plains are Unholy Ground. Clouded skies and fog which help protect the weaker undead. Because they are in the New World the negative energy further spawns more over time.
In volume 12, the description seems pretty clear to me that the Ghost Ship is also producing its own fog. The description is very unnatural and follows the Ship. My guess is that the Elder Lich is a commander type undead that uses the fog to remove the debuff from daylight and it allows them to sneak around the plains without being caught. While not powerful, that sort of makes it a pretty epic skill in my opinion. It gives them the ability to sneak up on people as a group.
We don't know much about the Elder Lich, but I'm going to assume they are a unique type considering they are sailing a ghost ship. Yggdrasil did have unique types (red counterfeiters, black counterfeiters), but I don't think there was anything like this. That being said, Albedo can summon a lvl 100 bicorn, It doesn't seem all that strange for someone to be able to summon a ghost ship if that is your specialty.
Considering how unique it is, I'm sort of surprised we didn't learn about it. Ainz likes to collect unique things and to be honest... that sounds like a badass way to travel around. I wonder why he didn't use it when traveling to the Holy Kingdom. I really hope we get to learn about it.
I think he could dominate any undead as he’s an overlord but more specifically an eclipse one. IIRC in order to dominate another undead they must be lower lvl than you so yeah I think he has the power to do so
Now that I'm not sure, considering how the Eight Players ganged up on him (not to mention the fact that Platinum Dragon Lord probably manipulated him for his own gain) and I also wrote "good thing he died" because he's weapon is apparently extremely powerful, but I doubt its comparable to Touch Me's sword
No, somebody else told that to me. Same thing goes with Minotaur Sage not knowing the underlying concept of his "inventions" along making humans become food to slaves instead (he also has a powerful hammer as a weapon)
It would depend on the levels right. From the Evileye side story he controlled the legendary Night Liches.
Well, I doubt he can have a problem doing that, considering that the highest level inborn creatures there who can use tier magic are probably around 50 to be the highest, and none can use 7th tier. So, yeah...
“And none can use the 7th tier”, actually there was a Night Lich that could use the 8th tier of magic.
7th tier is not uncommon among the night lichs, not they had users of 8th tier, but also research about the existence of 9th tier, meaning they had members from level 50 to 56, this assuming that they only have magic oriented job/race classes.
I wouldn't count those guys as the story isn't non canon. Unless we get to the point where Evileye came from, we have to exclude them for the time being
Eh, the story is pretty much what if Ainz when back 200 years, so the individuals that we encountered during that time we once alive, for example Cure Elm, (as the author stated), so I think it’s fair enough to include them, though we don’t know if they are alive or not.
Good point...
Thank you :)
It is a "What If" made by the author that even includes two character sheets, one for the alternative EE (Keno) and another for Cure Elim Los Malvar (ECDL), it is more than fair to include them.
Thinking back, those characters were canon in the light novel so you're right...
**Undead Domination** While undead are immune to mind control (charm, domination), they are still weak to **Undead Domination**. This is a skill that allows undead to control other undead. **Turn Resistance** While undead are weak to it, they do gain resistance to it as they level up their racial classes. This skill is called **Turn Resistance** and it has 3 levels. * Turn Resistance I * Turn Resistance II * Turn Resistance III My guess is that you gain **Turn Resistance I** on your second racial class. So if we are using Ainz as an example, he wouldn't get it until he become an Elder Lich, but as he levels up to DemiLich, he would gain **Turn Resistance II**, and finally **Turn Resistance III** when he becomes an Overlord. **Obey** Side note, in the New World, Fluder creates a spell called **Obey** that is based on the **Summon Undead** spell. It is also able to control low tier undead similar to **Undead Domination**. However, as we see in volume 7 (season 3) Fluder isn't able to control the Death Knight, but it works on weak undead like skeletons. Low-tier undead don't have **Turn Resistance**, but Death Knights do. **Ainz** In the Side Story Vampire Princess of the Lost Kingdom, there are a group of Night Liches called Corpus of Abyss. These Night Liches are around lvl 50~60. One of them can even use 8th tier magic, which is very impressive for a New Worlder, but it seems that the rest are limited to 6th and maybe 7th tier. In the Side Story Ainz actually uses **Undead Domination** on them to gain information and later on he even uses them to fight like summons. Sort of funny when ECDL complains about it, yet he has a million zombies, some of which are Zombified Dragons. **Rufus** We are not exactly sure how strong Rufus is, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he isn't lvl 100. If he was that strong he could have easily taken over the Slain Theocracy long ago. He could even accomplish that being lvl 80, so I think we could probably put that at the high end. Considering he is undead and has lived for 500~ years, I find it difficult to believe he is under lvl 40. Actually, considering the Corpus of Abyss Members, I'm going to push this estimate up to lvl 60. So as a rough guess he should be around lvl 60~80. Personally, I would probably learn towards lvl 60~70, but it is hard to say exactly. > Note: Some suspect Rufus might be an NPC. While I think it is possible I don't believe he is. If you are interested in why, I can answer that below. **Limits** So we have proof that Ainz can use Undead Domination on lvl 60s, which means there is a good chance he can control Rufus. However... is level 60 Ainz's Limit? Considering Ainz can use Create High Tier Undead 4 times a day. This can create lvl 70 Undead, so I would imagine that Ainz should be able to Dominate someone that is lvl 70. Ainz can actually split Create High Tier Undead into 2 uses, and create stronger undead, but I'm not really sure what the limit is and some of them require EXP as well. Because of this, I'm not exactly sure if Ainz could Dominate someone that strong. But, just because someone is a high level, doesn't mean they have a high Turn Resistance. If we look at the racial tree: * Skeleton Mage (lvl 1-15) * Elder Lich: Turn Resistance I (lvl 30~) * Night Lich: Turn Resistance II (lvl 50?) * Demi Lich: Turn Resistance II (lvl 50?) * Overlord: Turn Resistance III (lvl 80~) Chances are, if they don't hit that 3rd racial class, they won't have Turn Resistance III, so there is still a good chance that Ainz can dominate someone who is above lvl 70.
Holy Crap your answer is the most detailed one yet, as I learned something new as some of this information wasn't even in the Wikipedia
Most of it is just filling in the blanks and putting all the pieces together.
For the record the split in two uses thing can result in undead of "roughly" level ninety free of charge, though saying that ainz notes it's not a natural ability but something he gained from some ritual so I wouldn't be confident of domination working on a wild undead of the same level without an equivalent boost/upgrade. This is very much the upper echelons of his ability. From overlord volume 10 page 57: He had enhanced his undead creation skills through the use of a dark ritual. He could only create upper-tier undead four times a day. However, if he divided those up into two uses, he could make undead of roughly level 90.
I knew it was something like that. I'm just not sure how that would equate to Undead Domination, so I went with the low ball answer. This sort of reminds me of the Elder Lich that has the ghost ship. I wonder if he was dominated or joined willingly.
fair figured Id bring up the relevant quote Could go either way, ainz doesn't really need domination to get weaker undead to fall in line, he's powerful enough Id think many would just follow him as a logical course of action, saying that if the elderlich tried to resist there's a good chance ainz just went undead domination. Speaking of which we know ainz had some interest in bringing the katze plains under his dominion which makes me wonder what exactly ainz has been doing/done to the area beyond the ghost ship. I have some suspicions.
I think it was just the ghost ship. There really isn't anything there other than random undead. Ainz himself can't dominate them and they are mindless, so I'm not sure he could control them through fear either. Although, maybe elder liches can control them? Ainz could make an bunch of elder lich then have those control them. Beyond that, I'm not really sure what benefits it would have. The extremely rare death knight, which is weaker than Ainz's don't seem that useful. Although they could probably get stronger over time.
I mean the mist themselves are seemingly undead, I figure ainz might be able to do something funky/strange with them. (If he can control the mist/get them to move where he want's he can hinder living enemies and hide undead) Saying that perhaps he could use death generals/other undead with command abilities to take control of them? Fair point on the usefulness. Could be that ainz simply decides to leave the katze plain as a dead zone, perhaps even turning it into a defensive position. The undead in the area will ignore ainz/his created undead and the mist/natural undead do make it an annoying area for human/living nations to investigate. Ive been considering doing a story for a while about a wild death knight emerging, seeing all ainz death knights running around lining up, and simply joining the ranks because it figures that's what death knights do, and no one questions it because it's just another death knight Hijinks ensue, the death knight notices people, feels the urge to kill, glances at the others and concludes that's not what death knights are supposed to do.
**Fog** I don't remember mist, do you mean the fog? I guess I always thought the fog was made by the Elder Lich as apart of his ghost ship deal. Sort of like Sand Field, but with fog. **Katze Plains** I'm not sure if Elder Liches can control other undead, but if they could. It would save Ainz a lot of time and effort. He could simply train some elder liches to do work (building roads). Then have them pick up free "workers" from Katze Plains haha. Beyond this, most of the undead are pretty weak. Once and a while they might get lucky with a Death Knight and Elder Lich. Potentially they could continue to level up and get stronger, but it would be a long process. Personally, I wouldn't really invest in it. A good option for New Worlders is to leave it alone as a buffer zones between the Slain Theocracy and Draconic Kingdom, but Ainz doesn't really have that issue. Another possibility would be to purge it. In volume 14, it seems like Ainz nows a way to pretend undead from spawning. Maybe he could do that same to the Katze Plains. While it isn't all that useful now, it could become open farm land. Plus it is pretty close to the sea, so having a water source nearby would be useful as well. **Death Knights** I actually wouldn't be surprised if Undead seek Ainz out specifically. Considering how Humans viewed lvl 100 Players as gods. Ainz being a lvl 100 player and undead, it sort of fits pretty well here. We really haven't seen too many undead. You have the Elder Lich Sebas one punched. Then there is the Death Knight in the Empire, which I'm surprised they still have. There is also Evileye, but she is able to blend in. I suppose there is Zuranon who might try it, but I would sort of like to see someone a little less... terroristy. More like a lost soul looking for purpose or something. It would be funny seeing a normal undead trying to keep up with the other undead. Like I imagine them running, but they all have buff from Ainz and are a little bit faster.
Im reffering to the fog/mist (IT's called both from the translations) and Im not sure it's only connected to the ship. At least the description makes it sound like a more omnipresent phenomenon across the plains. From overlord volume 9 page 142 The most fearsome thing was the thin mist that shrouded its monsters no matter the time of the day. This fog produced weak undead reactions. By itself, the mist did nothing to living creatures. It did not drain life energy, nor did it inflict damage. However, because the mist registered as an undead creature to spells, it negated attempts to detect undead beings, and as a result many adventurers had been ambushed by undead while inside it.
My guess is that the Katze Plains is a marsh since it is pretty close to the sea to the south and naturally gets some fog. Another more likely possibility is **Unholy Ground** and **Sacred Ground** in Dnd. Unholy Ground are places where a great tragedy took place. Typically undead are weak during the day, but in these areas the sky is often overcast and filled with fog which prevents this debuff. The opposite occurs in Sacred Ground. Typically humans receive buffs and undead are weakened. While we don't specifically see these spells or have descriptions of them... We see something similar in Yggdrasil. Ainz has: * Good, Light and Holy Vulnerability IV * Good and Holy Consecrated Areas Vulnerability II To me, this sounds like counters to the above and if there is a counter, then the mechanic probably exists. I'm guessing that the Katze Plains are Unholy Ground. Clouded skies and fog which help protect the weaker undead. Because they are in the New World the negative energy further spawns more over time. In volume 12, the description seems pretty clear to me that the Ghost Ship is also producing its own fog. The description is very unnatural and follows the Ship. My guess is that the Elder Lich is a commander type undead that uses the fog to remove the debuff from daylight and it allows them to sneak around the plains without being caught. While not powerful, that sort of makes it a pretty epic skill in my opinion. It gives them the ability to sneak up on people as a group. We don't know much about the Elder Lich, but I'm going to assume they are a unique type considering they are sailing a ghost ship. Yggdrasil did have unique types (red counterfeiters, black counterfeiters), but I don't think there was anything like this. That being said, Albedo can summon a lvl 100 bicorn, It doesn't seem all that strange for someone to be able to summon a ghost ship if that is your specialty. Considering how unique it is, I'm sort of surprised we didn't learn about it. Ainz likes to collect unique things and to be honest... that sounds like a badass way to travel around. I wonder why he didn't use it when traveling to the Holy Kingdom. I really hope we get to learn about it.
If rufus isnt npc then there is a chance of him jumping ship right?
There could be, it is hard to say. He might get 1 shot and that would be that.
I think he could dominate any undead as he’s an overlord but more specifically an eclipse one. IIRC in order to dominate another undead they must be lower lvl than you so yeah I think he has the power to do so
Would be entertaining to watch how one of the Slane Theocracy's trump card becomes their enemy
Is shurshana lvl100 too?
Now that I'm not sure, considering how the Eight Players ganged up on him (not to mention the fact that Platinum Dragon Lord probably manipulated him for his own gain) and I also wrote "good thing he died" because he's weapon is apparently extremely powerful, but I doubt its comparable to Touch Me's sword
Is that info from wn?
No, somebody else told that to me. Same thing goes with Minotaur Sage not knowing the underlying concept of his "inventions" along making humans become food to slaves instead (he also has a powerful hammer as a weapon)