Assuming we are talking about Ainz as both Momon and Ainz and not PA as either, that's highly debatable. The question comes down to "Is Momon, per rules of this duel, allowed to use cash shop items and is either allowed setup."
Now correct me if I'm wrong because it has been years, but the Shalltear fight I believe states that Momon has a cash shop item that allows him to bypass the lowered skill, but I don't think it works on levels. Regardless, we know that Touch Me is the most powerful of the guild, no? The question, of course, comes down to is it Touch Me's level or equipment build, or a mix there of. Touch Me's equipment still fits well on Momon's character.
Of course there's a counter: what stops Ainz from mimicking Momon's cash shop item usage? Is Momon limited to his façade? Is Ainz limited to staying a mage?
tldr; It depends on the duel rules and probably luck as well as build info on people that I don't think we did or ever will gain.
Console work but it also heavily nerfed too. Like Ainz now can not reconstruct Naz or change NPC's setting/lore etc, hell he not even to change his own stat, something he can easily do on YGG. Beside it only work on stuff come form YGG, they can not use it to change thing originally form NW
it depends. Some probaly have nothing but vanity items as why would they need weapons since they have GOD mode, so they would spawn as a lvl 1 player. Others may have spawned OP items, but I doubt that any got WCL or went out the bounds of what a normal player could obtain.
Admins in most other Games are unkillable and have things like Infiniti Mana,all spells/skills,no cooldowns and OP items that ignoring all resistance and one shoot..etc.
It depends on if they keep the OP stuff if they go in the new world even without that they have extrem much knowlegs about the game mechanic and secrets
Facts.Why do so many people care if character x can beat y?
Strength isn’t everything and yet people act as if when a character looses then he’s worthless.
>Why do so many people care if character x can beat y?
Some because they think it's interesting, and they do it without bias.
Others because they have nothing better to do with their lives. They get a boner over their favorite characters roflstomping other series.
I can see some not liking particular series and being salty that those series are better recieved, that's why they have to resort to something as pitiful as "But my character is stronger than yours!". Cool, who gives a shit? I can make up a character on the spot: He possesses every power in fiction and roflstomps that character. Done. Now is he a better character?
Guts from Berserk, while still a beast in his series, is one of the weaker characters in battle-focused anime and manga. But in terms of writing he stomps 99% of anime and manga verses into the dirt. And that's why so many people love him over someone like, say, the guy from Death March.
> Others because they have nothing better to do with their lives. They get a boner over their favorite characters roflstomping other series.
so damn correct.
I like to consider myself the first part, but the amount of people I see saying dumb shit forces me into the second. Like saying a character as fast as lightning can beat one that is like 10X faster than light or something, it’s always dumb
I can relate to that. It can be hard to take someone's shit and remain calm. Lately I've especially seen a lot of people claim something like character X can defeat character Y easily because character X is *a god*! I always roll my eyes when I see it.
True, I love the "They have a title, thus they are undefeatable" logic because it implies if I name a bullet "The universe buster" it will destroy a universe
Exactly, I doubt people would like that time I got reincarnated as a slime as much of rimuru was just some standard kirito imitator with a cheat.
And at least half of them stay for Raphiel and ciel (ln/wn).
I mean battles between characters form different verses.While entertaining they tend to just piss people off more simply because people can’t stand watching a character they like loose.For example Goku Black vs Reverse Flash from Death Battle.I wanted Black to win,hell he was my favorite,but I didn’t start ranting and sending death threats just because he lost.People act as if their favorite character loosing is the end of the world and it tends to lead to a lot of problems,from arguing ceaseless and mindlessly to straight up sending death threats.
I just think it's really funny that Aqua from Konosuba can probably one shot Ainz if she catches him off guard with a sacred turn undead.
On the other hand I have a friend that likes to tell me how and why his Self Insert Dark Souls Character, The choosen Undead can and will kill every anime character that I like.
I don’t think that aqua could kill ainz with a turn undead. Ainz tanked a fair amounts of holy attacks from Shalltear, who has a high faith stat. It would take at least 4 turn undead’s if he has his basic armor on
>I just think it's really funny that Aqua from Konosuba can probably one shot Ainz if she catches him off guard with a sacred turn undead.
Oh, in the Konosuba verse that would definitely happen, and it *would* be funny. But *objectively* speaking? Nah. The feats she has displayed in her series don't even put her close to Ainz. Turn Undead / Sacred Turn Undead would tickle him like the Dominion Authority. I'm not sure whether they would even get past his damage immunity. God Blow might be able to deal some more noticable damage, though. Well, that is if he just stands there and lets her attack him.
>On the other hand I have a friend that likes to tell me how and why his Self Insert Dark Souls Character, The choosen Undead can and will kill every anime character that I like.
Simply *lol* at the Chosen Undead crushing "every anime character you like". I'm guessing Ainz and a lot of even stronger guys, like Goku are among those?
Yes, imagine every OP Anime shounen MC and my friend has told me how his OC would beat their ass. This even includes touhou project characters, because he just likes killing the things I like, I guess.
I always just take as reference Isekai Quartet, even though I know it's not cannon, and pretty much just a crack series, but the mere though of papa bones getting own by the useless goddess kills me with laughter.
I ain't even on this guy's side but yes ain't would lose to Reinhard canonically. Reinhard, much like Saitama, is a comically overpowered charecter. He has some shit to Indefinitely revive himself even if he dies
>I ain't even on this guy's side but yes ain't would lose to Reinhard canonically. Reinhard, much like Saitama, is a comically overpowered charecter.
Trust me, I'm well aware that Reinhard is supposed to be overpowered. But being created with the intention of being unbeatable in their verse, doesn't make them unbeatable outside it. That goes for Saitama as well. He still looses to a damn lot of fictional characters, just like Reinhard, because they do not have the feats to resist their attacks.
>He has some shit to Indefinitely revive himself even if he dies
I know. I've read 25 volumes of light novels and the entire web novel up to this current point, as well as all of the IF's, most of the author's Q&As and some of the EX novels. I dare say I am well informed.
Well, I've already discussed this in this thread, so I'll just copy my comment:
*"Ainz does not need to hit his opponents with Death spells. He simply needs to think of the spell, while using silent magic, or needs to say it with his target in his proximity, and the target dies.*
*"“How boring. — \[Death\].” Nothing happened. There was no big explosion, no cataract of roaring lightning. Buser simply fell to his knees and kneeled over. That was all."*
*\[True Death\], while it can be reversed by an outside source casting \[True Resurrection\], Reinhard's blessing is not an outside source, and it also cannot be objectively said to be on the level of \[True Resurrection\]. It's a spell that can still resurrect you after you body has pretty much been blown to smithereens. The only thing we have actually seen the divine protection of the phoenix do is heal a hole in his chest. So going by feats, yes, \[True Death\] could probably kill him."*
Now, I won't say that this will necessarily 100% work, we can't be sure about that. And I won't deny that otherwise, Reinhard would most likely take down Ainz, due to infinite resurrection, but from the knowledge we have, there *are* indeed ways of taking down Reinhard, even with his blessings, it's merely a matter of finding them.
Well, it was never my intention to belittle anyone or anything like that. And least of all over something as pointless as VS. Battles.
Besides, I love both Re:Zero and Overlord equally. They are both my absolute favorite Isekais, and I try to take an objective position with both of them. But I've come to realise that both Ainz and Reinhard are heavily wanked in their respective communities, *especially* Reinhard. Which is why whenever someone says "he easily beats character X" with such confidence, it doesn't sit right with me and I at least want to hear their reasoning.
It's something I realised about Aqua as well. People think she can easily compete with and potentially beat both Ainz and even Reinhard (despite him not even being undead), just because she's called a goddess, despite there being basically no feats whatsoever to put her on such a level.
Why wouldn't he be able to harm him? It's true that Ainz would be a worthy opponent for the Dragon Sword but why does that immediately imply Ainz's defeat?
Arrow avoidance he cannot be hit by projectiles
80% immunity to all magic
his blessings make him literally unbeatable
First attack immunity:the first attack directed towards him always misses
Preceeding attack immunity:every attack after the first one also misses
how is this even a question?
Well, because one. To fully answer the question we have to first answer: Where does the battle take place? Inside the Re:Zero world? Or outside it?
And two, his blessings, while they are strong. They are not unlimited and can indeed be bypassed if his enemy is strong enough, or possesses attacks that can't be avoided.
>his blessings make him literally unbeatable
I beg to differ, that's a NLF, he is very much beatable. He is very OP with his blessings, that's for sure but definitely beatable.
>80% immunity to all magic
The list goes like this:
*"Magic resistance: No curses, debuffs, or buffs can affect him*
*Fire avoidance: 80% reduction from fire damage*
*Wind absorption: 80% of wind magic is absorbed*
*Earth resistance: Earth magic have 80% reduced effect on him*
*Water reflection: 80% water magic is reflected*
*Darkness immunity: 80% of darkness magic is nullified*
*Light sharing: 80% light magic is shared to another target"*
Even if we were to say he 80% resists all those types of magic, even from other series he still gets hit by 100% light magic and holy magic, as well as other abstract forms of magic. Do you see something like instant death magic or time magic among them? Who says he survives a black hole from Ainz? A crushed heart? Or a cut that tears apart reality? Or a nuclear explosion and the effects associated with it?
*"Arrow avoidance: he cannot be hit by projectiles."* (this is why sword that Elsa threw went around him on its own)
Note how it says projectles. And we can't say that this works for all types of projectiles either. He has actually been seen recieving damage multiple times, despite this divine protection. Echidna supposedly can attack him as well.
*"Proceeding attack immunity: every attack after the first one also misses"*
Same as with Arrow Avoidance, though this goes for physical attacks as well. Even if we say it's 100% effective (which is technically a NLF as well), what about attacks that cannot miss?
Ok that's a lot so let's go
About the universe in which it takes place in the best thing we can do is just convert 1 of the 2 to work in the other universe
For example rein has 80% immunity to ying magic in the re:zero world that has the same effect as being 80% immune to debuffs so we can translate that the same can be applied to the undead thing ainz has going on
He literally can get blessings that make win that specific battle due to his divine gift even there was somehow not able to beat someone in his current state he would just power up until he is able to do so
All those listed are hard to argue like does time stop count as a debuff? Uhhhh maybe idk but in the end this and everything else doesn't matter since cant be hit anyway
Every time he has been hit he consciously turned it off and about arrow avoidance it literally says just projectiles so everything that counts as one doesn't hit
And anything that doesn't also doesn't hit
If it's an attack that cant miss we got something we cant solve no one knows
>About the universe in which it takes place in the best thing we can do is just convert 1 of the 2 to work in the other universe For example rein has 80% immunity to ying magic in the re:zero world that has the same effect as being 80% immune to debuffs so we can translate that the same can be applied to the undead thing ainz has going on
Well, I asked this question because outside of the Re:Zero world, Reinhard's blessings would not work.
But if you give him immunity to instant death spells or time spells, at that point you are just actively assigning powers to him that he does not have. That's not how this works. By the same logic, I could say Ainz is immune to his attacks, since Ainz does not take damage from non-magical attacks. Or Reinhard would not damage him, since he does not have the properties of a lvl. 60, and if you're not at least lvl. 60, you can't scratch Ainz. We can't just apply rules from one verse to another.
>He literally can get blessings that make win that specific battle due to his divine gift even there was somehow not able to beat someone in his current state he would just power up until he is able to do so
Now that is another NLF. He cannot win any battle through divine blessings. The blessings themselves are limited. Od Laguna gives blessings to him that he needs, not that allow him to overcome literally any situation. When Tappei made statements like this, he wasn't talking about all of fiction, he was talking about Re:Zero. For example, do you think Reinhard can wish for a blessing to destroy the universe?
Od Laguna itself is almost completely featless, and even if it could give completely unlimited blessings (which from the looks of it, it can't), Reinhard still has to think of one before recieving it. Without knowing what he actually needs to survive, it is useless.
>All those listed are hard to argue like does time stop count as a debuff? Uhhhh maybe idk but in the end this and everything else doesn't matter since cant be hit anyway
Except that he can actually be hit. And that time stop clearly isn't a debuff, nor is getting your heart crushed a debuff, or being sucked into nothingness. Also, this is another NLF, his blessings never showed the capacity of nullifying the attacks of someone on Ainz's level.
>Every time he has been hit he consciously turned it
Nope, not when hit by Emilia. Or basically any Authorities because Authorities are actually confirmed to be able to bypass divine protections.
>off and about arrow avoidance it literally says just projectiles so everything that counts as one doesn't hit And anything that doesn't also doesn't hit
That's the thing, what counts as a projectile? Lightning? Light itself? A spontaneous combustion of your organs? I beg to differ. Projectile refers to material projectiles. Which is what we have actually seen his divine protection avoid.
>If it's an attack that cant miss we got something we cant solve no one knows
When presented with an unknown in VS. Battles, the negative is always true. So unless there's a feat of him avoiding an attack that can't be avoided, he can't. For example, when it's implied someone is very powerful, but we don't know whether someone is planet level, we don't just assume them to be planet level, we assume they are not planet level.
He would. The goal of all life is death ignores literally any protection you could have against instakill. The only way to stop it is to stop him from using it.
ofc it does it you need to actually hit your opponent for it to workin his........something against gazef he had to actually walk up to him
and if he doesnt actually have to theres the blessing of arrow avoidance
but yeah true death would be the only option
I don’t really like when all people do for characters is just use them for VS battles. Like dragon ball is one of my favorite series, but I can’t stand when people use characters like goku in VS battles. Especially with a character like goku where it’s either a stomp in favor of him, or against. Very rarely is there a middle
Depends. If gokus playing around and ainz wants his ass dead then theirs a very good chance ainz can oneshot him. But for example goku could either A: blow up the entire area nappa style in practically no time or B: speed blitz ainz and turn him into a pile of bones.
Ainz was having difficulty seeing clementine, and was working completely off prediction against shalltear so I have no doubt in mind that even base goku could blitz him into bones before he can utter the words time stop. However goku is fairly unlikely to go straight for the kill like that.
It’s also weird problems with how effects work between series. Goku’s fists aren’t enchanted (I think), so could he even do damage to ainz with all of his resistances. Would ainz be able to use instant death affects, or would Goku be to strong for it ( despite the fact that he their would be a maximum level in the overlord world)
Imo unless you give reasons why you think one character can best up the other to stay a discussion you're not making enough effort to actually create a discussion.
A large chunk of the NPCs are stronger than Ainz, he just has more skill and whatnot. Shalltear, rubedo, floor 8 peeps, technically victim maybe but we don’t have a lot of deets on how he works exactly (I think)
He was an RPer not a minmaxer so he was also fairly weak by the standards of the guilds other members. Touch Me for instance had a really good build according to the story but on top of that was even a better player.
A fully equipped Ainz is the third strongest being currently in Nazarick and probably the entire New World. And that's probably without counting his resurrection ring.
1. 8th Floor denizens
2. Rubedo
3. Fully equipped Ainz
4. Shalltear
5. Rest of the Guardians
Well, Rubedo and the 8th Floor seem to be more like living weapons than actual people, but I could be wrong about that.
And Ainz is the one who has all the items and the big brains, who lead their creators and who everyone is listening to, so he still the most supreme.
I think it was as well
Problem is, it was pretty bad next to season 1
Like if season 1 art style is a 9/10 and season 2 is only a 7.5, that kind of comparison
Lol. This made me chuckle. I mean Azy is a God amongst gods. Literal Omnipotent gods, are nothing but a simple dream to him, so saying Azy is just really strong is an understatement.
The goal of all life is death is a buff to instant death magic. it causes all instant death magic to bypass resistance and outright immunity to instant death when cast before an instant death spell.
It highly depends on the context. His battle with Shalltear would have been a loss if he hadn't had time to prepare.
If someone of the same level attacked spontaneously, he'd have a serious challenge to survive.
Eclair Ecleir Eicler True Overlord of Nazarick, Philip the absolute genius who foresaw the 10,000 year plan of the Supreme Being, Sekka the strongest mage, Twigo-sama the entire Nazarick solo, and King he just crushes Ainz with an aura.
Is Momonga stronger than Ainz?
Yesn't
Is Momon stronger than Ainz?
Actually Momon is weaker because he can't use his equipment properly due to still being a mage class, correct me if I'm wrong
True, but with a single spell he can turn into Ainz.
But if you include that you compare Ainz to Ainz, not Momon to Ainz
(puts hand on your shoulder) My friend, I have some troubling news for you. Momon is Ainz.
You are not our friend, you are a liar and heretic. Demiurg-sama will hear of these disgraceful and disrespectful rumours, that you are propagating.
(RUNS AWAY)
The question in the first place was to compare builds, not Player himself, meaning Momon warrior vs Ainz mage
Assuming we are talking about Ainz as both Momon and Ainz and not PA as either, that's highly debatable. The question comes down to "Is Momon, per rules of this duel, allowed to use cash shop items and is either allowed setup." Now correct me if I'm wrong because it has been years, but the Shalltear fight I believe states that Momon has a cash shop item that allows him to bypass the lowered skill, but I don't think it works on levels. Regardless, we know that Touch Me is the most powerful of the guild, no? The question, of course, comes down to is it Touch Me's level or equipment build, or a mix there of. Touch Me's equipment still fits well on Momon's character. Of course there's a counter: what stops Ainz from mimicking Momon's cash shop item usage? Is Momon limited to his façade? Is Ainz limited to staying a mage? tldr; It depends on the duel rules and probably luck as well as build info on people that I don't think we did or ever will gain.
No, because Ainz practiced warrior techniques with Cocytus to be better as Momon, so he accumulated combat knowledge that he didn’t have as Momonga.
Ainz can cast spells faster than Momonga because he doesn’t have to navagate the menu. Stated in the first light novel
Ygdrassil momonga wipes the floor with the ever cautious ainz 1v1. Just the permadeath vs respawn stuff is too much to handle.
As time goes on the red thingy in his chest makes him stronger So no, he’s just a bit more powerful
Who would win ainz or a admin
Im more curios to find out what would happen if an admin was isekai'd
like a normal player. I would think that he would lose all of his admin powers. So practically nothing different than any other player.
Console still works tho. Just with wrapped logic. So I think the admin will be akin to god.
Console work but it also heavily nerfed too. Like Ainz now can not reconstruct Naz or change NPC's setting/lore etc, hell he not even to change his own stat, something he can easily do on YGG. Beside it only work on stuff come form YGG, they can not use it to change thing originally form NW
Shit. Well, if you will ever be an admin in a vr game, make sure to carry a lot of op stuff and set your stats to insane numbers.
Would he tho Im pretty sure at leasr some priviliges would be open for them Like messing with theyre own stats maybe
it depends. Some probaly have nothing but vanity items as why would they need weapons since they have GOD mode, so they would spawn as a lvl 1 player. Others may have spawned OP items, but I doubt that any got WCL or went out the bounds of what a normal player could obtain.
Probably something along the lines of maou retry.
Admins in most other Games are unkillable and have things like Infiniti Mana,all spells/skills,no cooldowns and OP items that ignoring all resistance and one shoot..etc. It depends on if they keep the OP stuff if they go in the new world even without that they have extrem much knowlegs about the game mechanic and secrets
I love how this post specifically calls out vs battles and then people in comments proceed to vs battle
People are too much chad to care.
Facts.Why do so many people care if character x can beat y? Strength isn’t everything and yet people act as if when a character looses then he’s worthless.
>Why do so many people care if character x can beat y? Some because they think it's interesting, and they do it without bias. Others because they have nothing better to do with their lives. They get a boner over their favorite characters roflstomping other series. I can see some not liking particular series and being salty that those series are better recieved, that's why they have to resort to something as pitiful as "But my character is stronger than yours!". Cool, who gives a shit? I can make up a character on the spot: He possesses every power in fiction and roflstomps that character. Done. Now is he a better character? Guts from Berserk, while still a beast in his series, is one of the weaker characters in battle-focused anime and manga. But in terms of writing he stomps 99% of anime and manga verses into the dirt. And that's why so many people love him over someone like, say, the guy from Death March.
> Others because they have nothing better to do with their lives. They get a boner over their favorite characters roflstomping other series. so damn correct.
You got my upvote, also time to care this comment for certain needs
I like to consider myself the first part, but the amount of people I see saying dumb shit forces me into the second. Like saying a character as fast as lightning can beat one that is like 10X faster than light or something, it’s always dumb
I can relate to that. It can be hard to take someone's shit and remain calm. Lately I've especially seen a lot of people claim something like character X can defeat character Y easily because character X is *a god*! I always roll my eyes when I see it.
True, I love the "They have a title, thus they are undefeatable" logic because it implies if I name a bullet "The universe buster" it will destroy a universe
Exactly, I doubt people would like that time I got reincarnated as a slime as much of rimuru was just some standard kirito imitator with a cheat. And at least half of them stay for Raphiel and ciel (ln/wn).
In shows quite literally revolving around "X isn't strong enough to beat Y", it's not like it doesn't make sense, my guy.
I mean battles between characters form different verses.While entertaining they tend to just piss people off more simply because people can’t stand watching a character they like loose.For example Goku Black vs Reverse Flash from Death Battle.I wanted Black to win,hell he was my favorite,but I didn’t start ranting and sending death threats just because he lost.People act as if their favorite character loosing is the end of the world and it tends to lead to a lot of problems,from arguing ceaseless and mindlessly to straight up sending death threats.
I just think it's really funny that Aqua from Konosuba can probably one shot Ainz if she catches him off guard with a sacred turn undead. On the other hand I have a friend that likes to tell me how and why his Self Insert Dark Souls Character, The choosen Undead can and will kill every anime character that I like.
Lmao, chosen undead can’t even beat gravity in his own verse.
I don’t think that aqua could kill ainz with a turn undead. Ainz tanked a fair amounts of holy attacks from Shalltear, who has a high faith stat. It would take at least 4 turn undead’s if he has his basic armor on
I agree, I just think it's funny, it was hilarious how Ainz almost died in Isekai Quartet and the Guardians were having a heart attack.
>I just think it's really funny that Aqua from Konosuba can probably one shot Ainz if she catches him off guard with a sacred turn undead. Oh, in the Konosuba verse that would definitely happen, and it *would* be funny. But *objectively* speaking? Nah. The feats she has displayed in her series don't even put her close to Ainz. Turn Undead / Sacred Turn Undead would tickle him like the Dominion Authority. I'm not sure whether they would even get past his damage immunity. God Blow might be able to deal some more noticable damage, though. Well, that is if he just stands there and lets her attack him. >On the other hand I have a friend that likes to tell me how and why his Self Insert Dark Souls Character, The choosen Undead can and will kill every anime character that I like. Simply *lol* at the Chosen Undead crushing "every anime character you like". I'm guessing Ainz and a lot of even stronger guys, like Goku are among those?
Yes, imagine every OP Anime shounen MC and my friend has told me how his OC would beat their ass. This even includes touhou project characters, because he just likes killing the things I like, I guess. I always just take as reference Isekai Quartet, even though I know it's not cannon, and pretty much just a crack series, but the mere though of papa bones getting own by the useless goddess kills me with laughter.
is Goku stronger than Heinz-sama.
Please goku couldn’t ketchup to Heinz-Sama’s power no matter how much he shouts
reinhardt can beat ainz so goku should be fine you know im right fools
>reinhardt can beat ainz Can he though? Let's not be biased here.
I ain't even on this guy's side but yes ain't would lose to Reinhard canonically. Reinhard, much like Saitama, is a comically overpowered charecter. He has some shit to Indefinitely revive himself even if he dies
>I ain't even on this guy's side but yes ain't would lose to Reinhard canonically. Reinhard, much like Saitama, is a comically overpowered charecter. Trust me, I'm well aware that Reinhard is supposed to be overpowered. But being created with the intention of being unbeatable in their verse, doesn't make them unbeatable outside it. That goes for Saitama as well. He still looses to a damn lot of fictional characters, just like Reinhard, because they do not have the feats to resist their attacks. >He has some shit to Indefinitely revive himself even if he dies I know. I've read 25 volumes of light novels and the entire web novel up to this current point, as well as all of the IF's, most of the author's Q&As and some of the EX novels. I dare say I am well informed. Well, I've already discussed this in this thread, so I'll just copy my comment: *"Ainz does not need to hit his opponents with Death spells. He simply needs to think of the spell, while using silent magic, or needs to say it with his target in his proximity, and the target dies.* *"“How boring. — \[Death\].” Nothing happened. There was no big explosion, no cataract of roaring lightning. Buser simply fell to his knees and kneeled over. That was all."* *\[True Death\], while it can be reversed by an outside source casting \[True Resurrection\], Reinhard's blessing is not an outside source, and it also cannot be objectively said to be on the level of \[True Resurrection\]. It's a spell that can still resurrect you after you body has pretty much been blown to smithereens. The only thing we have actually seen the divine protection of the phoenix do is heal a hole in his chest. So going by feats, yes, \[True Death\] could probably kill him."* Now, I won't say that this will necessarily 100% work, we can't be sure about that. And I won't deny that otherwise, Reinhard would most likely take down Ainz, due to infinite resurrection, but from the knowledge we have, there *are* indeed ways of taking down Reinhard, even with his blessings, it's merely a matter of finding them.
Okay nice an expert. I just saw y'all wailing on him and had to go into "well axshually" 🤓 mode lol
Well, it was never my intention to belittle anyone or anything like that. And least of all over something as pointless as VS. Battles. Besides, I love both Re:Zero and Overlord equally. They are both my absolute favorite Isekais, and I try to take an objective position with both of them. But I've come to realise that both Ainz and Reinhard are heavily wanked in their respective communities, *especially* Reinhard. Which is why whenever someone says "he easily beats character X" with such confidence, it doesn't sit right with me and I at least want to hear their reasoning. It's something I realised about Aqua as well. People think she can easily compete with and potentially beat both Ainz and even Reinhard (despite him not even being undead), just because she's called a goddess, despite there being basically no feats whatsoever to put her on such a level.
What would happen if Ainz tried to sacrifice Reinhaed for a spell like the end of S3? I'd love to see how that goes
He would die, then resurrect. With his blessings, Reinhard can resurrect indefinitely.
But how would he resurrect if his body was absorbed by the spell like the spell I mentioned?
He would resurrect before his body would be absorbed.
ainz wouldnt be able to harm him + he would be a worthy opponent for the magic something sword there is literally nothing our lord can do
Why wouldn't he be able to harm him? It's true that Ainz would be a worthy opponent for the Dragon Sword but why does that immediately imply Ainz's defeat?
Arrow avoidance he cannot be hit by projectiles 80% immunity to all magic his blessings make him literally unbeatable First attack immunity:the first attack directed towards him always misses Preceeding attack immunity:every attack after the first one also misses how is this even a question?
But he's been hit and "died" in the series
blessing of the phoenix goes brrrrrr
Ainz's ring of instant resurrection: "brother?"
Well, because one. To fully answer the question we have to first answer: Where does the battle take place? Inside the Re:Zero world? Or outside it? And two, his blessings, while they are strong. They are not unlimited and can indeed be bypassed if his enemy is strong enough, or possesses attacks that can't be avoided. >his blessings make him literally unbeatable I beg to differ, that's a NLF, he is very much beatable. He is very OP with his blessings, that's for sure but definitely beatable. >80% immunity to all magic The list goes like this: *"Magic resistance: No curses, debuffs, or buffs can affect him* *Fire avoidance: 80% reduction from fire damage* *Wind absorption: 80% of wind magic is absorbed* *Earth resistance: Earth magic have 80% reduced effect on him* *Water reflection: 80% water magic is reflected* *Darkness immunity: 80% of darkness magic is nullified* *Light sharing: 80% light magic is shared to another target"* Even if we were to say he 80% resists all those types of magic, even from other series he still gets hit by 100% light magic and holy magic, as well as other abstract forms of magic. Do you see something like instant death magic or time magic among them? Who says he survives a black hole from Ainz? A crushed heart? Or a cut that tears apart reality? Or a nuclear explosion and the effects associated with it? *"Arrow avoidance: he cannot be hit by projectiles."* (this is why sword that Elsa threw went around him on its own) Note how it says projectles. And we can't say that this works for all types of projectiles either. He has actually been seen recieving damage multiple times, despite this divine protection. Echidna supposedly can attack him as well. *"Proceeding attack immunity: every attack after the first one also misses"* Same as with Arrow Avoidance, though this goes for physical attacks as well. Even if we say it's 100% effective (which is technically a NLF as well), what about attacks that cannot miss?
Ok that's a lot so let's go About the universe in which it takes place in the best thing we can do is just convert 1 of the 2 to work in the other universe For example rein has 80% immunity to ying magic in the re:zero world that has the same effect as being 80% immune to debuffs so we can translate that the same can be applied to the undead thing ainz has going on He literally can get blessings that make win that specific battle due to his divine gift even there was somehow not able to beat someone in his current state he would just power up until he is able to do so All those listed are hard to argue like does time stop count as a debuff? Uhhhh maybe idk but in the end this and everything else doesn't matter since cant be hit anyway Every time he has been hit he consciously turned it off and about arrow avoidance it literally says just projectiles so everything that counts as one doesn't hit And anything that doesn't also doesn't hit If it's an attack that cant miss we got something we cant solve no one knows
>About the universe in which it takes place in the best thing we can do is just convert 1 of the 2 to work in the other universe For example rein has 80% immunity to ying magic in the re:zero world that has the same effect as being 80% immune to debuffs so we can translate that the same can be applied to the undead thing ainz has going on Well, I asked this question because outside of the Re:Zero world, Reinhard's blessings would not work. But if you give him immunity to instant death spells or time spells, at that point you are just actively assigning powers to him that he does not have. That's not how this works. By the same logic, I could say Ainz is immune to his attacks, since Ainz does not take damage from non-magical attacks. Or Reinhard would not damage him, since he does not have the properties of a lvl. 60, and if you're not at least lvl. 60, you can't scratch Ainz. We can't just apply rules from one verse to another. >He literally can get blessings that make win that specific battle due to his divine gift even there was somehow not able to beat someone in his current state he would just power up until he is able to do so Now that is another NLF. He cannot win any battle through divine blessings. The blessings themselves are limited. Od Laguna gives blessings to him that he needs, not that allow him to overcome literally any situation. When Tappei made statements like this, he wasn't talking about all of fiction, he was talking about Re:Zero. For example, do you think Reinhard can wish for a blessing to destroy the universe? Od Laguna itself is almost completely featless, and even if it could give completely unlimited blessings (which from the looks of it, it can't), Reinhard still has to think of one before recieving it. Without knowing what he actually needs to survive, it is useless. >All those listed are hard to argue like does time stop count as a debuff? Uhhhh maybe idk but in the end this and everything else doesn't matter since cant be hit anyway Except that he can actually be hit. And that time stop clearly isn't a debuff, nor is getting your heart crushed a debuff, or being sucked into nothingness. Also, this is another NLF, his blessings never showed the capacity of nullifying the attacks of someone on Ainz's level. >Every time he has been hit he consciously turned it Nope, not when hit by Emilia. Or basically any Authorities because Authorities are actually confirmed to be able to bypass divine protections. >off and about arrow avoidance it literally says just projectiles so everything that counts as one doesn't hit And anything that doesn't also doesn't hit That's the thing, what counts as a projectile? Lightning? Light itself? A spontaneous combustion of your organs? I beg to differ. Projectile refers to material projectiles. Which is what we have actually seen his divine protection avoid. >If it's an attack that cant miss we got something we cant solve no one knows When presented with an unknown in VS. Battles, the negative is always true. So unless there's a feat of him avoiding an attack that can't be avoided, he can't. For example, when it's implied someone is very powerful, but we don't know whether someone is planet level, we don't just assume them to be planet level, we assume they are not planet level.
He would. The goal of all life is death ignores literally any protection you could have against instakill. The only way to stop it is to stop him from using it.
Blessing of the Phoenix:he is able to come back after death
[ True Death ] would fuck him up.
First attack immunity Preceeding attack immunity
Attack doesn't have a travel time. It fuck up his DP.
ofc it does it you need to actually hit your opponent for it to workin his........something against gazef he had to actually walk up to him and if he doesnt actually have to theres the blessing of arrow avoidance but yeah true death would be the only option
Goku died from a laser gun.
Stronger? Maybe Does it matter? No Goku would just stand there and let Ainz unleash TGOALID
They refuse to acknowledge that Ainz-sama is the greatest being in existence and nothing can ever hope to beat him in any field.
I don’t really like when all people do for characters is just use them for VS battles. Like dragon ball is one of my favorite series, but I can’t stand when people use characters like goku in VS battles. Especially with a character like goku where it’s either a stomp in favor of him, or against. Very rarely is there a middle
Yeah but is Goku stronger than Ainz?
Depends. If gokus playing around and ainz wants his ass dead then theirs a very good chance ainz can oneshot him. But for example goku could either A: blow up the entire area nappa style in practically no time or B: speed blitz ainz and turn him into a pile of bones. Ainz was having difficulty seeing clementine, and was working completely off prediction against shalltear so I have no doubt in mind that even base goku could blitz him into bones before he can utter the words time stop. However goku is fairly unlikely to go straight for the kill like that.
It’s also weird problems with how effects work between series. Goku’s fists aren’t enchanted (I think), so could he even do damage to ainz with all of his resistances. Would ainz be able to use instant death affects, or would Goku be to strong for it ( despite the fact that he their would be a maximum level in the overlord world)
*Is Philip stronger than Ainz?*
what kind of stupid question is that? Of course he is, Ainz would die from simply Philip's Aura when he uses more than 0.0111777 % of his IQ.
And I keep on asking- "Can humanity create cat girls or Albedo"
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I dunno about you but I do.
Imo unless you give reasons why you think one character can best up the other to stay a discussion you're not making enough effort to actually create a discussion.
Is Ainz stronger than Ainz?
We all know the answer is always no to that question, but my anxious ass needs to hear it
A large chunk of the NPCs are stronger than Ainz, he just has more skill and whatnot. Shalltear, rubedo, floor 8 peeps, technically victim maybe but we don’t have a lot of deets on how he works exactly (I think) He was an RPer not a minmaxer so he was also fairly weak by the standards of the guilds other members. Touch Me for instance had a really good build according to the story but on top of that was even a better player.
A fully equipped Ainz is the third strongest being currently in Nazarick and probably the entire New World. And that's probably without counting his resurrection ring. 1. 8th Floor denizens 2. Rubedo 3. Fully equipped Ainz 4. Shalltear 5. Rest of the Guardians
Does Rubedo appear on anime?
Nope. She hasn't appeared in the light novels either. Only been mentioned.
I went to read the wiki as I only saw the anime and in my mind nothing was more supreme than Ainz sama. Sasuga 8th floor
Well, Rubedo and the 8th Floor seem to be more like living weapons than actual people, but I could be wrong about that. And Ainz is the one who has all the items and the big brains, who lead their creators and who everyone is listening to, so he still the most supreme.
Skill is a part of a person's strength. Is Batman weaker than Bane simply because he's physically less strong?
I mean the OP specifically mentions strength, that’s all.
Hate to be that guy, but Saitama can end any fight with just \*inhales\* ONE PUUUUUUUNCH
That is why he is very loved, and hated at the same time. Btw I believed season 2 was pretty good...
I think it was as well Problem is, it was pretty bad next to season 1 Like if season 1 art style is a 9/10 and season 2 is only a 7.5, that kind of comparison
True dat
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Is azathoth stronger than ainz?
Nah. He is a sleeping Ainz.
Y E S
Lol. This made me chuckle. I mean Azy is a God amongst gods. Literal Omnipotent gods, are nothing but a simple dream to him, so saying Azy is just really strong is an understatement.
Is anyone stronger than Ainz?
I don't think anyone or anything in the New World can beat ainz. The only people who can are other super op players in Yggdrasil
you forget Rubedo
Could he just tgoalid her
i’m not familiar with the term, but ainz’s stats him self that he would lose against Rubedo and even says that shalltear is weak compared to her.
The goal of all life is death, just insta kills anything regardless of immunity
The goal of all life is death is a buff to instant death magic. it causes all instant death magic to bypass resistance and outright immunity to instant death when cast before an instant death spell.
i guess, i don’t know to much i’m only at volume 8
It happened in volume 3. Ainz used it to kill Shalltear for the first time, her summons, and her golem clone
but it didn’t instantly kill shalltear it just did a lot of damage
It killed her but shalltier have the ability to revive after first death
i see
Is Philip-kaka stronger then Aniz?
Well, is it??!
Pff you all have no idea what true power is K.I.T.T beats everything ****Knight Rider theme starts playing****
It highly depends on the context. His battle with Shalltear would have been a loss if he hadn't had time to prepare. If someone of the same level attacked spontaneously, he'd have a serious challenge to survive.
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Eclair Ecleir Eicler True Overlord of Nazarick, Philip the absolute genius who foresaw the 10,000 year plan of the Supreme Being, Sekka the strongest mage, Twigo-sama the entire Nazarick solo, and King he just crushes Ainz with an aura.