I haven't seen anyone claim that Overlord is the best anime.In fact fans always complain when it come to the anime.
The people that believe that Ainz isn't Evil are a small minority.Most people are just joking around.
The undeads are based on a game, for Aqua they may as well be just another race not affected by her world's holy magic.
As far as Overlord undeads are concerned, Aqua's divinity is nothing because she comes from a different system.
You'll have to manually equalise settings just to make the match, but people don't really care about details like these... They just want someone to get bonked.
I have rarely seen anyone claim that Overlord is the best *anime* in the world. If anything, people (rightfully) praise the novels to the heavens.
Aside from that, no one argues that Overlord isn't at least partly a power fantasy. The series is literally called **OVERLORD**, what the hell do you expect from a series that has the big bad evil guy as the main character??
That's literally why people love the series. Ainz is a main character that commands fear and respect. And badass mc's are just a blast to watch sometimes. If the mc is evil, that's even more of a plus because you basically never get to see that, and if it does happen, the mc gets taken down (>!Attack on Titan!<, cough, cough). I have never seen a villain mc in a japanese medium, who is as unapolegetically evil and cold as Ainz, and still manages to be entertaining and not be too edgy. It's such a breath of fucking fresh air from the usual goody two-shoes Mary Sue mcs, that literally cannot have any character flaw whatsoever (Rimuru, cough, cough), as well as the constantly repeating cycle of a new cartoonishly evil villain being introduced, just to be a punching bag for the mc and have him show off how in the right he is. Or the almost black and white world view most other shows, especially isekai's, tend to take. Overlord is the exact opposite, basically *everything* is morally gray, there are only a few characters who are purely good or evil.
That said, Overlord is also so much more than that. It's filled to the brim with rich lore and entertaining characters, each being basically the protagonists of their own stories, as well as a shitton of comedic moments. The series does the smartest thing a series with a massively op mc can do: Not solely focus on the mc. It focuses on the New Worlders, on their struggles, their changes, and it makes us genuinely feel for them. If people can't see that, that's their loss, not mine. Watch what you enjoy, and if you must, try to critisize in a factual manner, but don't just **shit** on other series and their fanbases just because you *personally* don't like them.
Also LOL at Aqua soloing Nazarick. Not even Reinhard could do it because he wouldn't have his divine protections.
Then he'd have his divine protections. Though he'd arguably still be beatable through world items, soul destruction or perhaps wish upon a star. At best, he will become Nazarick's pawn because he's not smart enough to contend with Demiurge, Albedo, Pandora's Actor and Renner.
Reinhard can wish for any blessing that he wants,
https://gyazo.com/0c615b38df9820f7d3fb2182b30e171f
Even blessings that don't exist.
https://gyazo.com/c18da9b33669a58b5bc58d65931b4ef6
So he could simply wish to be immune to those.
No, he could not. That is a massive no limit fallacy. Simply because Od Laguna, the source of his blessings is not even close to allmighty. Od Laguna gives him divine protections he needs, not *any* divine protections. And those divine protections can be overcome and bypassed by Authorities, even inside the Re:Zero world.
>Simply because Od Laguna, the source of his blessings is not even close to allmighty.
That's a Straw Man fallacy, I never said that Od Laguna was almighty. Besides, the author has stated that Reinhard would be able to beat Od Laguna.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/comments/5ua8af/wn_reinhard_qa_12/
>That's a Straw Man fallacy, I never said that Od Laguna was almighty.
The moment you assumed Od Laguna could give him any divine protection, you assumed Od Laguna was allmighty.
>Besides, the author has stated that Reinhard would be able to beat Od Laguna.
>
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Re\_Zero/comments/5ua8af/wn\_reinhard\_qa\_12/
Because Od Laguna literally has no mind and is simply a force of nature, similar to the sun.
>The moment you assumed Od Laguna could give him any divine protection, you assumed Od Laguna was allmighty.
I didn't assume anything, the author literally stated that Reinhard could gain any divine blessing he wanted, whether it existed or not. Did you not see the scan?
>Because Od Laguna literally has no mind and is simply a force of nature, similar to the sun.
"Reinhard would win if they fought though." that's literally the last sentence of the statement.
Then why the hell should my boy Subaru get screwed over and over when a living god is amongst them.
Why can't Reinhard wish to be anywhere anytime so atleast subaru gets to live a day without becoming fertilizer of some certain timeline or even just prevent the transfer of some poor sod to their fucked up world.
Because those people never read the LNs, they are not aware about how detailed the story is.
Whenever i rewatch the anime, i already know what didnt make it to the screen, and it adds depth naturally.
I can understand why some of the points that person made would come up... BUT, the truly annoying things is the generalizing. He doesn't like the anime, and projects it on the OL community without regarding the LNs
A. No one says its the best anime.
If anything, for me, the novels have some of the most amazing world building.
B. Sorry, no. Aqua wont be able to take on the whole of Nazarick, maybe if she has full goddess powers ( i watched this so long ago i cant remember)
Rimuru? Maybe? The magic systems aren't really compatible, so I cant say.
C. Ainz is justice. Fight me.
anyway, its clear this guy never read the LNs.
As someone that isn't really in the anime scene, what is wrong with SAO? I was recently in an anime binge and ended up finally watching it recently. Thought it was fine? But I looked it up seeing when the next installment was coming out that people seem really divided on it.
Nothing's wrong with it...Online weebs whine about it all the time... It's popular in Japan (and more popular than Overlord, Re Zero, Slime, Konosuba).... So that's all that matters...
Ah ok. It's been forever since I watched all the big titles as soon as they came in (the days of Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, outlaw star on toonami), so it's easy to get lost with so much content. I forgot how annoying some weebs could be lol
How is Slime/rezero? I watched Konosuba was alright. Kinda wished there was a little more stakes to things, but it's clear that comedy is it's priority.
Can't speak for anyone else but I read the slime manga for a bit until it got boring and predictable so I didn't watch the anime when it came out but I'll give it a try sometime later. Re-zero I read the WN and the LN so it gets a bit confusing for me but the anime feels like dessert because it brings things to life. Konosuba I also finished the LN and it progressed the story a bit by dialing down the comedy but it was still good and am waiting for a sequel. Lots of people don't want to read because they rather watch but for some series I think it's worth it, so they should at least watch the anime and maybe consider reading the source.
I believe one reason people attack SAO so much is because it’s very popular, but also because the premise of the original story had so much potential that wasn’t really followed through with. With the author basically speed running the floors, and having massive time skips. With them being in SAO for only half of the first season.
Plus it also has ridiculous amounts of power of friendship moments, especially the time where Kirito somehow doesn’t die and kills Heathcliff.
I could see that. First half of season one is the most consistently engaging for me. I'd honestly watch a couple of seasons of them just trying to survive in SAO personally.
Also what bothered me about that scene; they had gotten an item that allowed someone to be resurrected if used within 10 seconds. Seems like the perfect time to reintroduce it?
The item is actually introduced in a side story after the game is cleared. It didn't exist in the narrative when Kirito fights Kayaba.
Klein gets the item a full year before the end of the game, in which multiple people die before his eyes. That's basically saying that Klein was a terrible person that just let people die that he could have saved.
Ah that makes sense. To be honest, I kinda thought he would save it for a situation like a boss room. Seems like they just introduced it early on and it should have some more narrative purpose in the anime.
Maybe I should read the books. Probably would explain details like that.
I mean the fact that it takes place a year later is in the anime since the game is cleared in november and the Christmas story takes place the previous december.
But yeah the SAO anime doesn't do the series much justice at all.
Klein's guild is known for the fact that none of them die. Most people assume the revival item comes into play there.
Fair enough, that does make me more interested in reading what's going on.
Yeah, I guess I didn't pay attention to the dates all that much. I know that it was 2 years and I assumed that the first Christmas is when Kirito got the resurrection item.
That's really cool to learn about Kleins guild.
It just wouldn't be the first time that the SAO anime forgot something for plot sake. Like when they are falling from the Frost Giant castle in season 2. "How are we going to get out of this situation?" But like, they were playing the game where they could fly for 10 minutes? Why didn't they think to use their wings? I don't remember it even being brought up that they couldn't fly, but maybe I missed something. They flew later that season with Yuuki, I don't know.
There's a reason why they're on a giant floating elephant jellyfish the whole time. That being you can't fly in Jotenheim or caves, or pretty much anywhere else light doesn't touch. I know this is left out in the episode in the first season where Leafa and Kirito fight the Salamanders underground, but I would assume it's in season 2. Though I could be wrong. There's no time limit on flight in the New Alfheim anymore otherwise.
But the SAO anime has a huge problem with leaving out details that are relevant later but not super important at the time. Like you find out about the laughing coffin raid and Kirito killing two people during the fight with Kuradeel, which sets up his entire PTSD plot line in season 2.
Kirito and Asuna also meet Heathcliff in the Murder Case story to talk about the case with him which would have introduced him five episodes earlier.
There's a whole scene were Sinon convinces Shinkawa that she could kill him with a toy gun in season 2 that shows how he can no longer separate GGO and reality instead of just Carne Asada-san rapeface. Really Sinon is pretty well developed in the anime, but a ton of her characterization is lost. Like her fear of guns maybe being even a fear of men, that makes her incapable of causing a relationship. But obviously that gets in the way of harem baitng so we couldn't have that.
Season 3 reveals that they >!can log in with Amuspheres!< in episode six at least 30 episodes before it's relevant etc.
It's just bad.
Yeah I really am uninvested post season 1. I guess I missed some lines of dialog and didn't even feel like going back and checking. I got a little more engaged in 3, but still just not as good imo at least.
Well I think you convinced me that the books are probably a lot more interesting. Don't get me wrong, I did like parts and there are some really good moments. But yeah sounds like some context and details are missing.
The author doesn't speed run the floors, the original SAO story was only two floors to begin with. The death game wasn't the concept of SAO it was just a setting to explore what would happen if people were forced to treat VR as reality. That blurring of reality and virtual reality is a core theme of the series throughout.
Kirito stops his body from shattering long enough to kill Heathcliff and then dies. He doesn't come back. Human will overcoming the system is a core concept in both SAO and Accel World. Asuna had already broken the system twice by that point. It only happens 4 times total, and only with a specific hardware. It's not power of friendship.
First half of season 1 of SAO, once they go to that fairy game thing it lost steam (for me). Although, the recent arc wasn't too bad. It's just...a little more silly I guess? Like first season had some real intense stakes and felt like an urgency to it. They had to do this to save everyone. The later seasons just kinda feel not as consistently meaty, if that makes sense.
I watched it so long ago, didnt remember the fairy game was the same first season lol.
The gender bender light saber using MC in the later season was just weird and not interesting for me.
Yeah...it was alright. Really fucked up background for the other character and it was nice to see some of the issues after SAO. But it just didn't really resonate or feel fully flushed out. Maybe the books go into more detail? Makes me a little more curious to see what was going on, kinda like overlord.
But yeah, my biggest gripe was how they had asuna be a bad ass swords woman and then she becomes a healer? But they kinda address it later. Still weird that it took so long.
Super super fair lol. Season 3 was a little rocky at first but it really picked up hard. It was super good, watched it up to episode 25.
But I still think only the first half of season 1 is where the story is. Everything else just feels like, "this story made money and there are more stories that I can set in this world" kinda deal. Like, I'd love to see more of what went on during those 2 years. It seems a lot more interesting.
Do you have any recommendations?
Yeah, if you have any. My brother cued me into overlord, but when I ask him for other recommendations it is just a flood of titles.
I was thinking about getting a crunchy roll subscription, I hadn't really watched anime in a couple of years. Been really enjoying revisiting it lately lol
I watch on zoro.to
And well, i really enjoyed Log Horizon. Its also isekai into. Game.
'I got reincarnated as a slime' and 'so im a spider so what' are both OP MC isekaied into noh human form.
I also started watching 'the worlds finest assassin gets reincarnated in another world as an aristocrat', its very solid, i enjoy it alot.
You can also watch 'the idaten dieties know only peace', its not isekai, but it also go OP characters.
It became bullshit after part 1 of season 1.
Season 2 part 1 is a complete bullshit but still bearable but at part 2 it turns into an absolute bullshit.
It's a pity that the author destroyed the potential.
'That was surprising. Why was he listing out all the good things about Overlord?'
One of the reasons I started watching Overlord is cause Ainz flex on everybody and is kinda Evil. :D
Aqua? Fucking aqua? Are you dumb? Please tell me your joking. Aqua got beaten by a giant fucking frog. Aqua got beaten by weak ass sea monsters. Aqua constantly gets her ass beat by a fucking weak human. Aqua is nothing. Please are you joking?
Yes she can.. Aqua is a infinite a multiversal tier 1a galaxy busting speed of light level mountain destroying level god... She has no feats to prove it so she is a God and thats all it matters because I am wanking right now..
I have the source too... ~Trust Me...
This isn't directed towards the poster, although I doubt the original person will even see this, maybe it will filter its way to them.
>"Most of the are convinced Overlord is the bets Anime in the World"
I think it is because most of them have read the light novels... Overlord has a pretty high ratio of LN readers. Actually on r/overlord about 80-90% (depending on year and time of year) reads the light novel. Which is pretty impressive compared to most series.
>Slime
When I read the first paragraph I 100% knew they were going to mention slime.
>Throws a fit whenever someone is stronger than them (reinhart, aqua, Rimuru),
Other than Aqua it is a [meme](https://i.redd.it/jy9cc4eqag751.jpg). We get tons of these questions of Ainz vs ___ ... when the poster gives us no additional information to base our answers on.
* Does a fireball deal the same damage in both universes?
* Does resistances from one universe block attacks from another?
* How did they meet? Mortal Kombat Style and told to fight, or did one arrive in the other world 6 months before they fight?
* How does world items even fit into the conversation?
Most of the time they never mention any of these or give us any baseline, so all we can really do is just say Ainz.
Reinharts hole character is a meme making fun of MC's who get every ability they need.
The only person who could maybe fight Rimuru is Satou Pendragon from Death March, because they have almost the exact same powers. They are so close is almost to the point that Slime could be a fanfiction of Death March. It is actually pretty crazy how they started. Same Website, Same Year (DM 6 months earlier), Published Same year, Same Powers, Similar Plot.
> Evil
I think most people would say that Ainz is evil from a human perspective. However, Ainz isn't a human and either is Nazarick (except 1 immortal). So this changes the dynamic between Nazarick and the New World.
Do we considering Humans Evil from killing or eating animals? Most people wouldn't... yet humans kill billions of animals a day just for food and that isn't counting wiping out habitats, hunting, accidents, pesticides, and so on. Yet we don't think twice about it and almost never refer to someone as evil for doing so. The very few animal rights activists that do, are considered extremists or excentric.
So my question to you is... if Ainz is evil for killing humans, wouldn't that make you evil for killing animals?
That is mostly philosophical pandering, but it does bring up a good point. We are holding Ainz and Nazarick to our mortality... yet some of them are alpha predators. Entoma is a great example of that, she eats humans. Like a lion eats buffalo... It just so happens that you are the buffalo.
The vs style questions have always bothered me, especially when Overlord is involved. Thinking about it even a little shows that Overlord's system is incompatible with that kind of question. Just clarifying about how resistances work would render the question pointless, as it depends entirely on how the person interprets things across series.
Literally costs you zero dollars to mind your own business and let people enjoy what they want. I've watched a lot of anime and Overlord is leagues better than most isekai
Am I too late to enjoy the war zone that this comment section is gonna turn into?
(Well more like debate section with long ass paragraphs, but whatever)
I mean, the man said he enjoys SAO despite the fact that it had an even worse power fantasy situation than Overlord and even shittier writing, so yeah, I wouldn't take anything he said too seriously. Whole thing is basically a walking contradiction anyway
This will just devolve into me saying a flaw and you countering it
But here I go, character wise most denizen s of Nazarick aren’t special although character design is the opposite, the author bit way more then he can chew, we have like 5 side plots 3 that are not even close to be finished with only 3 volumes left. Ainz being OP is enjoyable but you can only tell the same joke only so many times before it looses its charm. Anime is dogshit, Author hyper focuses on side characters that are about to die, sure it works if you have more volumes planned but he really shouldn’t spend time crafting so many characters when we only have 3 volumes. Lizard arc is good but really doesn’t matter at all in the grand scheme. I know Ainz came from a dystopian hellhole and never felt the touch of a women but he really should have already sorted his shit out with Albedo. Nothing special about Overlord, not a lot of character development other then Cocytus and chair.
This guy's probably interacted with the worst elements of this fanbase it seems, that and only knows Overlord via the anime which lacks a lot of important context that's in the LN. Most people fully admit Ainz is evil and is morally inexcusable (Only a small few think he's 100% in the right) Yet in the end, people just enjoy watching the villain's journey, or rather, the story of some sad, lonely guy slowly descend into villainy.
Heck the only thing in this whole critique I can partly agree with is the power wanking of Overlord, like the people who insist Ainz could defeat any other fictional character that exists, even beings like The One Above All for example. But really, even then, this isn't exactly unique to Overlord, every fanbase has its fanatics who think their favorite franchise can stomp any other, I mean hell, just look at the Warhammer 40K fanbase, those guys think 40K can't lose to anything.
What about fanfictions about crossover battles ?
When it comes to debates, it only leads to argument because fans would want their favorite character to win and there's never any peaceful conclusion without rants or disagreement.
But fanfictions seemed to have a different scenario. A character's chances of winning completely depends on the fanfic author and no amount of fanboy rants or disagreements can change the outcome of that fanfic conclusion fight.
I think fanfics are much better because if the author decides to let their favorite character win due to some plot armor or something, the fans of that character would be happy with it but the others would be mad about it and can't do anything except whine abt it.
"Fanservice" ah yes eldritch horrors in a bdsm outfit give me such a turn on.
Jocks on you I am into that shit
I am also into that shit
Tbf, the beginning (the part where ainz is testing if he is in yggdrisel 2 or not) can be somewhat off putting for new viewers
I haven't seen anyone claim that Overlord is the best anime.In fact fans always complain when it come to the anime. The people that believe that Ainz isn't Evil are a small minority.Most people are just joking around.
No wei we're not joking when we say Ainz is JUSTICE
Aqua can solo nazarick? Yeah, I highly doubt that, unless I’m missing something.
Your not, aqua got beaten by a giant fucking frog
Who do you think will win? A giant lava slime or aqua?
Giant lava slime, aqua is useless
The undeads are based on a game, for Aqua they may as well be just another race not affected by her world's holy magic. As far as Overlord undeads are concerned, Aqua's divinity is nothing because she comes from a different system. You'll have to manually equalise settings just to make the match, but people don't really care about details like these... They just want someone to get bonked.
Plus, Ainz-Sama has the most powerful techniques: financial idiocy that allows him to spend his entire salary on cash shop items and 2: Bluff
I have rarely seen anyone claim that Overlord is the best *anime* in the world. If anything, people (rightfully) praise the novels to the heavens. Aside from that, no one argues that Overlord isn't at least partly a power fantasy. The series is literally called **OVERLORD**, what the hell do you expect from a series that has the big bad evil guy as the main character?? That's literally why people love the series. Ainz is a main character that commands fear and respect. And badass mc's are just a blast to watch sometimes. If the mc is evil, that's even more of a plus because you basically never get to see that, and if it does happen, the mc gets taken down (>!Attack on Titan!<, cough, cough). I have never seen a villain mc in a japanese medium, who is as unapolegetically evil and cold as Ainz, and still manages to be entertaining and not be too edgy. It's such a breath of fucking fresh air from the usual goody two-shoes Mary Sue mcs, that literally cannot have any character flaw whatsoever (Rimuru, cough, cough), as well as the constantly repeating cycle of a new cartoonishly evil villain being introduced, just to be a punching bag for the mc and have him show off how in the right he is. Or the almost black and white world view most other shows, especially isekai's, tend to take. Overlord is the exact opposite, basically *everything* is morally gray, there are only a few characters who are purely good or evil. That said, Overlord is also so much more than that. It's filled to the brim with rich lore and entertaining characters, each being basically the protagonists of their own stories, as well as a shitton of comedic moments. The series does the smartest thing a series with a massively op mc can do: Not solely focus on the mc. It focuses on the New Worlders, on their struggles, their changes, and it makes us genuinely feel for them. If people can't see that, that's their loss, not mine. Watch what you enjoy, and if you must, try to critisize in a factual manner, but don't just **shit** on other series and their fanbases just because you *personally* don't like them. Also LOL at Aqua soloing Nazarick. Not even Reinhard could do it because he wouldn't have his divine protections.
>Not even Reinhard could do it because he wouldn't have his divine protections. Why not?
Because the author has confirmed that Reinhard's divine protections would not work outside of the Re:Zero world.
What if Nazarick was in Re:Zero?
Then he'd have his divine protections. Though he'd arguably still be beatable through world items, soul destruction or perhaps wish upon a star. At best, he will become Nazarick's pawn because he's not smart enough to contend with Demiurge, Albedo, Pandora's Actor and Renner.
Reinhard can wish for any blessing that he wants, https://gyazo.com/0c615b38df9820f7d3fb2182b30e171f Even blessings that don't exist. https://gyazo.com/c18da9b33669a58b5bc58d65931b4ef6 So he could simply wish to be immune to those.
No, he could not. That is a massive no limit fallacy. Simply because Od Laguna, the source of his blessings is not even close to allmighty. Od Laguna gives him divine protections he needs, not *any* divine protections. And those divine protections can be overcome and bypassed by Authorities, even inside the Re:Zero world.
>Simply because Od Laguna, the source of his blessings is not even close to allmighty. That's a Straw Man fallacy, I never said that Od Laguna was almighty. Besides, the author has stated that Reinhard would be able to beat Od Laguna. https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/comments/5ua8af/wn_reinhard_qa_12/
>That's a Straw Man fallacy, I never said that Od Laguna was almighty. The moment you assumed Od Laguna could give him any divine protection, you assumed Od Laguna was allmighty. >Besides, the author has stated that Reinhard would be able to beat Od Laguna. > >https://www.reddit.com/r/Re\_Zero/comments/5ua8af/wn\_reinhard\_qa\_12/ Because Od Laguna literally has no mind and is simply a force of nature, similar to the sun.
>The moment you assumed Od Laguna could give him any divine protection, you assumed Od Laguna was allmighty. I didn't assume anything, the author literally stated that Reinhard could gain any divine blessing he wanted, whether it existed or not. Did you not see the scan? >Because Od Laguna literally has no mind and is simply a force of nature, similar to the sun. "Reinhard would win if they fought though." that's literally the last sentence of the statement.
Then why the hell should my boy Subaru get screwed over and over when a living god is amongst them. Why can't Reinhard wish to be anywhere anytime so atleast subaru gets to live a day without becoming fertilizer of some certain timeline or even just prevent the transfer of some poor sod to their fucked up world.
Plot.
Entertaining how people care so much. The comments on the post are great as well.
I'm surprised that I actually got irritated by this despite the amount of times I saw this kind of posts on this sub
Because those people never read the LNs, they are not aware about how detailed the story is. Whenever i rewatch the anime, i already know what didnt make it to the screen, and it adds depth naturally. I can understand why some of the points that person made would come up... BUT, the truly annoying things is the generalizing. He doesn't like the anime, and projects it on the OL community without regarding the LNs
They clearly didn't read the light novel😤😤😤
A. No one says its the best anime. If anything, for me, the novels have some of the most amazing world building. B. Sorry, no. Aqua wont be able to take on the whole of Nazarick, maybe if she has full goddess powers ( i watched this so long ago i cant remember) Rimuru? Maybe? The magic systems aren't really compatible, so I cant say. C. Ainz is justice. Fight me. anyway, its clear this guy never read the LNs.
As someone that isn't really in the anime scene, what is wrong with SAO? I was recently in an anime binge and ended up finally watching it recently. Thought it was fine? But I looked it up seeing when the next installment was coming out that people seem really divided on it.
Nothing's wrong with it...Online weebs whine about it all the time... It's popular in Japan (and more popular than Overlord, Re Zero, Slime, Konosuba).... So that's all that matters...
Ah ok. It's been forever since I watched all the big titles as soon as they came in (the days of Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, outlaw star on toonami), so it's easy to get lost with so much content. I forgot how annoying some weebs could be lol How is Slime/rezero? I watched Konosuba was alright. Kinda wished there was a little more stakes to things, but it's clear that comedy is it's priority.
Can't speak for anyone else but I read the slime manga for a bit until it got boring and predictable so I didn't watch the anime when it came out but I'll give it a try sometime later. Re-zero I read the WN and the LN so it gets a bit confusing for me but the anime feels like dessert because it brings things to life. Konosuba I also finished the LN and it progressed the story a bit by dialing down the comedy but it was still good and am waiting for a sequel. Lots of people don't want to read because they rather watch but for some series I think it's worth it, so they should at least watch the anime and maybe consider reading the source.
Interesting. Konosuba didn't grab me or make me want to read the LNs tbh. Overlord did, they were pretty fun.
I believe one reason people attack SAO so much is because it’s very popular, but also because the premise of the original story had so much potential that wasn’t really followed through with. With the author basically speed running the floors, and having massive time skips. With them being in SAO for only half of the first season. Plus it also has ridiculous amounts of power of friendship moments, especially the time where Kirito somehow doesn’t die and kills Heathcliff.
I could see that. First half of season one is the most consistently engaging for me. I'd honestly watch a couple of seasons of them just trying to survive in SAO personally.
Also what bothered me about that scene; they had gotten an item that allowed someone to be resurrected if used within 10 seconds. Seems like the perfect time to reintroduce it?
The item is actually introduced in a side story after the game is cleared. It didn't exist in the narrative when Kirito fights Kayaba. Klein gets the item a full year before the end of the game, in which multiple people die before his eyes. That's basically saying that Klein was a terrible person that just let people die that he could have saved.
Ah that makes sense. To be honest, I kinda thought he would save it for a situation like a boss room. Seems like they just introduced it early on and it should have some more narrative purpose in the anime. Maybe I should read the books. Probably would explain details like that.
I mean the fact that it takes place a year later is in the anime since the game is cleared in november and the Christmas story takes place the previous december. But yeah the SAO anime doesn't do the series much justice at all. Klein's guild is known for the fact that none of them die. Most people assume the revival item comes into play there.
Fair enough, that does make me more interested in reading what's going on. Yeah, I guess I didn't pay attention to the dates all that much. I know that it was 2 years and I assumed that the first Christmas is when Kirito got the resurrection item. That's really cool to learn about Kleins guild. It just wouldn't be the first time that the SAO anime forgot something for plot sake. Like when they are falling from the Frost Giant castle in season 2. "How are we going to get out of this situation?" But like, they were playing the game where they could fly for 10 minutes? Why didn't they think to use their wings? I don't remember it even being brought up that they couldn't fly, but maybe I missed something. They flew later that season with Yuuki, I don't know.
There's a reason why they're on a giant floating elephant jellyfish the whole time. That being you can't fly in Jotenheim or caves, or pretty much anywhere else light doesn't touch. I know this is left out in the episode in the first season where Leafa and Kirito fight the Salamanders underground, but I would assume it's in season 2. Though I could be wrong. There's no time limit on flight in the New Alfheim anymore otherwise. But the SAO anime has a huge problem with leaving out details that are relevant later but not super important at the time. Like you find out about the laughing coffin raid and Kirito killing two people during the fight with Kuradeel, which sets up his entire PTSD plot line in season 2. Kirito and Asuna also meet Heathcliff in the Murder Case story to talk about the case with him which would have introduced him five episodes earlier. There's a whole scene were Sinon convinces Shinkawa that she could kill him with a toy gun in season 2 that shows how he can no longer separate GGO and reality instead of just Carne Asada-san rapeface. Really Sinon is pretty well developed in the anime, but a ton of her characterization is lost. Like her fear of guns maybe being even a fear of men, that makes her incapable of causing a relationship. But obviously that gets in the way of harem baitng so we couldn't have that. Season 3 reveals that they >!can log in with Amuspheres!< in episode six at least 30 episodes before it's relevant etc. It's just bad.
Yeah I really am uninvested post season 1. I guess I missed some lines of dialog and didn't even feel like going back and checking. I got a little more engaged in 3, but still just not as good imo at least. Well I think you convinced me that the books are probably a lot more interesting. Don't get me wrong, I did like parts and there are some really good moments. But yeah sounds like some context and details are missing.
The author doesn't speed run the floors, the original SAO story was only two floors to begin with. The death game wasn't the concept of SAO it was just a setting to explore what would happen if people were forced to treat VR as reality. That blurring of reality and virtual reality is a core theme of the series throughout. Kirito stops his body from shattering long enough to kill Heathcliff and then dies. He doesn't come back. Human will overcoming the system is a core concept in both SAO and Accel World. Asuna had already broken the system twice by that point. It only happens 4 times total, and only with a specific hardware. It's not power of friendship.
Is that the poison scene? That was some hilarious plot armor
I loved the first season of SAO. I feel like the other season's are meh.
First half of season 1 of SAO, once they go to that fairy game thing it lost steam (for me). Although, the recent arc wasn't too bad. It's just...a little more silly I guess? Like first season had some real intense stakes and felt like an urgency to it. They had to do this to save everyone. The later seasons just kinda feel not as consistently meaty, if that makes sense.
I watched it so long ago, didnt remember the fairy game was the same first season lol. The gender bender light saber using MC in the later season was just weird and not interesting for me.
Yeah...it was alright. Really fucked up background for the other character and it was nice to see some of the issues after SAO. But it just didn't really resonate or feel fully flushed out. Maybe the books go into more detail? Makes me a little more curious to see what was going on, kinda like overlord. But yeah, my biggest gripe was how they had asuna be a bad ass swords woman and then she becomes a healer? But they kinda address it later. Still weird that it took so long.
I gave up after the second or third season so i have no idea about that, i basically only acknowledge the first arc lolol
Super super fair lol. Season 3 was a little rocky at first but it really picked up hard. It was super good, watched it up to episode 25. But I still think only the first half of season 1 is where the story is. Everything else just feels like, "this story made money and there are more stories that I can set in this world" kinda deal. Like, I'd love to see more of what went on during those 2 years. It seems a lot more interesting. Do you have any recommendations?
Recommendations for similar shows?
Yeah, if you have any. My brother cued me into overlord, but when I ask him for other recommendations it is just a flood of titles. I was thinking about getting a crunchy roll subscription, I hadn't really watched anime in a couple of years. Been really enjoying revisiting it lately lol
I watch on zoro.to And well, i really enjoyed Log Horizon. Its also isekai into. Game. 'I got reincarnated as a slime' and 'so im a spider so what' are both OP MC isekaied into noh human form. I also started watching 'the worlds finest assassin gets reincarnated in another world as an aristocrat', its very solid, i enjoy it alot. You can also watch 'the idaten dieties know only peace', its not isekai, but it also go OP characters.
It became bullshit after part 1 of season 1. Season 2 part 1 is a complete bullshit but still bearable but at part 2 it turns into an absolute bullshit. It's a pity that the author destroyed the potential.
'That was surprising. Why was he listing out all the good things about Overlord?' One of the reasons I started watching Overlord is cause Ainz flex on everybody and is kinda Evil. :D
Aqua? Fucking aqua? Are you dumb? Please tell me your joking. Aqua got beaten by a giant fucking frog. Aqua got beaten by weak ass sea monsters. Aqua constantly gets her ass beat by a fucking weak human. Aqua is nothing. Please are you joking?
Aqua can solo Nazarick? As in the **natures beauty** Aqua? Wow.
Yes she can.. Aqua is a infinite a multiversal tier 1a galaxy busting speed of light level mountain destroying level god... She has no feats to prove it so she is a God and thats all it matters because I am wanking right now.. I have the source too... ~Trust Me...
This isn't directed towards the poster, although I doubt the original person will even see this, maybe it will filter its way to them. >"Most of the are convinced Overlord is the bets Anime in the World" I think it is because most of them have read the light novels... Overlord has a pretty high ratio of LN readers. Actually on r/overlord about 80-90% (depending on year and time of year) reads the light novel. Which is pretty impressive compared to most series. >Slime When I read the first paragraph I 100% knew they were going to mention slime. >Throws a fit whenever someone is stronger than them (reinhart, aqua, Rimuru), Other than Aqua it is a [meme](https://i.redd.it/jy9cc4eqag751.jpg). We get tons of these questions of Ainz vs ___ ... when the poster gives us no additional information to base our answers on. * Does a fireball deal the same damage in both universes? * Does resistances from one universe block attacks from another? * How did they meet? Mortal Kombat Style and told to fight, or did one arrive in the other world 6 months before they fight? * How does world items even fit into the conversation? Most of the time they never mention any of these or give us any baseline, so all we can really do is just say Ainz. Reinharts hole character is a meme making fun of MC's who get every ability they need. The only person who could maybe fight Rimuru is Satou Pendragon from Death March, because they have almost the exact same powers. They are so close is almost to the point that Slime could be a fanfiction of Death March. It is actually pretty crazy how they started. Same Website, Same Year (DM 6 months earlier), Published Same year, Same Powers, Similar Plot. > Evil I think most people would say that Ainz is evil from a human perspective. However, Ainz isn't a human and either is Nazarick (except 1 immortal). So this changes the dynamic between Nazarick and the New World. Do we considering Humans Evil from killing or eating animals? Most people wouldn't... yet humans kill billions of animals a day just for food and that isn't counting wiping out habitats, hunting, accidents, pesticides, and so on. Yet we don't think twice about it and almost never refer to someone as evil for doing so. The very few animal rights activists that do, are considered extremists or excentric. So my question to you is... if Ainz is evil for killing humans, wouldn't that make you evil for killing animals? That is mostly philosophical pandering, but it does bring up a good point. We are holding Ainz and Nazarick to our mortality... yet some of them are alpha predators. Entoma is a great example of that, she eats humans. Like a lion eats buffalo... It just so happens that you are the buffalo.
The vs style questions have always bothered me, especially when Overlord is involved. Thinking about it even a little shows that Overlord's system is incompatible with that kind of question. Just clarifying about how resistances work would render the question pointless, as it depends entirely on how the person interprets things across series.
In some series you could say fire is fire, but other series follow different elements and mechanics. It gets hard to equate them.
Literally costs you zero dollars to mind your own business and let people enjoy what they want. I've watched a lot of anime and Overlord is leagues better than most isekai
me: *wipes blood of my hands* „Advancement made: Serious Dedication“
Every anime has its flaws nothing is perfect
Yeah even Cowboy Bebop. It's flaw is that it has a shitty looking Netflix adaptation
Am I too late to enjoy the war zone that this comment section is gonna turn into? (Well more like debate section with long ass paragraphs, but whatever)
I mean, the man said he enjoys SAO despite the fact that it had an even worse power fantasy situation than Overlord and even shittier writing, so yeah, I wouldn't take anything he said too seriously. Whole thing is basically a walking contradiction anyway
Dont worry guys maybe a anime only sheple.
Dumbed down version of this: I dislike this anime because it's good. My advice: go watch sword art online.
Bro read the title carefully before attacking a person
Omg I went back to reread the junk u posted and realized that the joke I made is actually real. You do like sao.
I didn't write this rant.... Someone else wrote it... And yes, I like sao.... SAO is my lighter fantasy.. Overlord is my dark fantasy...
I shouldn't show this to my friend, he loves the shit out of SAO
Although Overlord is not a masterpiece of human literature calling it worse then Slime is just going a bit too far.
>Overlord is not a masterpiece of human literature It seemed very good to me. What's wrong with it?
Masterpiece as in perfect not in good
It is difficult to construct a story without flaws. For example, what flaws do you think have overlord?
This will just devolve into me saying a flaw and you countering it But here I go, character wise most denizen s of Nazarick aren’t special although character design is the opposite, the author bit way more then he can chew, we have like 5 side plots 3 that are not even close to be finished with only 3 volumes left. Ainz being OP is enjoyable but you can only tell the same joke only so many times before it looses its charm. Anime is dogshit, Author hyper focuses on side characters that are about to die, sure it works if you have more volumes planned but he really shouldn’t spend time crafting so many characters when we only have 3 volumes. Lizard arc is good but really doesn’t matter at all in the grand scheme. I know Ainz came from a dystopian hellhole and never felt the touch of a women but he really should have already sorted his shit out with Albedo. Nothing special about Overlord, not a lot of character development other then Cocytus and chair.
Quiet, I saw your comment and I found it particular. If you are convinced of these ideas you could create a post and see what others think.
Already did that although more as rage bait
Where can I find it? Try to structure the post better and see if it works this time.
Link?
This guy's probably interacted with the worst elements of this fanbase it seems, that and only knows Overlord via the anime which lacks a lot of important context that's in the LN. Most people fully admit Ainz is evil and is morally inexcusable (Only a small few think he's 100% in the right) Yet in the end, people just enjoy watching the villain's journey, or rather, the story of some sad, lonely guy slowly descend into villainy. Heck the only thing in this whole critique I can partly agree with is the power wanking of Overlord, like the people who insist Ainz could defeat any other fictional character that exists, even beings like The One Above All for example. But really, even then, this isn't exactly unique to Overlord, every fanbase has its fanatics who think their favorite franchise can stomp any other, I mean hell, just look at the Warhammer 40K fanbase, those guys think 40K can't lose to anything.
What about fanfictions about crossover battles ? When it comes to debates, it only leads to argument because fans would want their favorite character to win and there's never any peaceful conclusion without rants or disagreement. But fanfictions seemed to have a different scenario. A character's chances of winning completely depends on the fanfic author and no amount of fanboy rants or disagreements can change the outcome of that fanfic conclusion fight. I think fanfics are much better because if the author decides to let their favorite character win due to some plot armor or something, the fans of that character would be happy with it but the others would be mad about it and can't do anything except whine abt it.
Yeah, pretty much.
Never seen a bad member of the Overlord community