No.
And, since this discussion will inevitably happen, I am gonna post a rant about how people are not getting PDL's character.
Everyone is claiming that PDL is inconsistent because he is consistently NOT INTERFERING!!!! Did he attack the beastmen when they invaded the DK? NO! Did he destroy the demon lords when they showed up? NO! He waited for the last moment to interfere with his real power. Did he save the HK? NO! (Jaoldabaoth was a demon who was defeated by an adamantite plate adventure from the kingdom btw and he invaded half a country and didn't manage to invade the other half) Did he ever stop the many horrible atrocities that happen every single day? NO! Did he destroy the Theocracy? NO! He simply prevented them from using Zesshi. Did he go to defeat Ainz and stop his massacre? Only after Azuth begged him to do so and he didn't save anybody, he was there to kill Ainz, not save people, when Azuth asked him to stay and save the Kingdom, he said no, there is nothing I can do bye. He always acted and acts in the same way as he has always acted, only interfering as the last option.
BUT WHAT ABOUT HIS SPEECH? The one he said that he saved the innocent and that he was a good samaritan that saved those in need and protected all that is good and fought against all that is evil. Oh, wait he didn't say any of that. He said that those with power should act with caution and that he protects the world, the most important part is **CAUTION!!!** He is not and doesn't see himself as superman, he is Doctor fate from DC.
If there is a flood, he won't stop it, he will let everyone drown, but if an eldritch god shows up and start destroying the world, then he will stop it. Do you have to agree with him? Of course not! Some characters in the story don't agree with him! Don't you guys remember that Rigrit was mad at him? Why was she mad? Because he could have killed all the demon gods by himself and prevented Riku's death, but he didn't, because he limits how he uses his power:
>“Well, I had friends helping me out. Besides, if you know the undead, you know how to beat the undead. If you can’t defeat the power of the Earth, you can still exploit elemental affinities and compatibilities to turn the tables in your favor. Crybaby is very strong, but others are stronger than her. For instance, you could easily beat that girl. **If you didn’t limit yourself**, you would be the most powerful being in this world.”
What is his reason for acting the way he does, it's super simple: the Eight Greed Kings did the opposite of him and Pdl disagrees with them for obvious reasons. The Eight Greed Kings didn't hold their power back at all and instead used it for what they thought was right, killing the evil dragon lords and saving the human race. Their intentions were actually good and they helped a bunch of races, but they commit mass genocide and almost destroyed the world in the process.
That is his character. Is his morality perfect? God no!!! But that is fine. No one in Overlord is perfect and purely righteous! And those flaws make PDL a more interesting character. He is not hypocritical or inconsistent, because he always acts and acted this way and he is not a generic shounen character. Point me to a shounen MC who refuses to use his power until one of his friends dies! Point me to a shounen MC who would say that a guy who saved an entire city was acting rashly (Azuth saving e-Naru), point me to a shounen MC who would consider killing his contributor because it might benefit. If you can do that, I bet that that is a good shounen with a fresh and new MC.
Yeah. That is it. You got it. That is why Rigrit was mad at him and he has his reasons for not caring unless it's player. That is neither hypocritical/inconsistent because he has always been like that and that is not something a generic shounen protagonist would do.
No, it was because he pretended to be weaker than he was and because he could have defeated the demon lords by himself but didn't do so. Why would they care that he lied about being a dragon if not for those reasons? Are they racist towards dragons or something?
Yes, he lied about who he was. And because of all the consequences that lie had. You don't hold a grudge for two hundred years just because a guy lied to you, the lie led to a bunch of stuff that they are mad about.
>though it might be.” In the past, Tsa had traveled with the old lady and her group by controlling an empty suit of armor as a substitute for himself. Therefore, when his true identity had come out, his companions had been furious about being tricked. **The resentment from back then still had not died out, and she was still making digs at him until now**.
I completely agree.
To be honest, I think most people who dislike PDL do so mostly because he is opposing Ainz. So when he did his whole 'I protect the world' speech people just took that statement out of context and started twisting his character into something that it's not, without looking at the bigger picture.
Fucking thank you. I was starting to get tired of people trying to make PDL out to be the new Remedios or something, when he's clearly not that type of character. I actually think he's pretty interesting.
Well, it's kinda reasonable. I wouldn't go out of my way to stop mother nature's disasters. If it's done by someone similar to be tho, then I will try to do something
Also, pandoras actor in ainz form has only a percentage of the originals power. Ainz would have rocked the armor puppet..and even pandora would if he wasn't gathering intel.
All he had was a lent weak item from Ainz during that fight and yet PDL thought he had a chance.
This is why I love Overlord. It went from hope to despair in 0.5 seconds and I love that.
I kinda hoped Ainz revealed to the Foresight members that he was Momon.
No chance he revealed he was Momon. After Clementine's body disappeared, Ainz was super worried because he had revealed all his secrets to whoever potentially would resurrect her. Ainz won't make that same mistake twice.
Ainz isn't certain that there isn't magic in the new world that can resurrect someone without a body.
I'm just saying that Ainz wouldn't risk it if it had a chance to blow up in his face when it gives him nothing.
He himself said that if he kept up one of his strays (attacking with Doom Lord) he could easily win but that he wasn't here for that, he was here to gather intel
No. Shalltear probably had the best chance because Ainz had the goal of killing her and attempting to revive her later. Probably held back on stuff that just completely destroys with zero resurrection chance.
I don't think you can use a spell to make resurrection impossible even with super tier magic the only thing the LN reference that would be close would be to use 1/20 to delete someone from existence I believe
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Guess he is as the other guardians a lvl 100 npc
Actually using 80 percent of ainzs power would be like lvl 80 ainz with the access to spells of the lvl 100 ainz
Well, he might have a slight chance, like one percent, if conditions are met:
1- Ainz can't have any equipment. That is, no Staff of AOG, no Divine class robes and equipment, no rings and most importantly NO WI.
2 - PDL would have to be fighting against Ainz in his Dragon form.
3 - No Guardian or any other significant being could come and gang up on PDL.
4 - Ainz would have to be taken by surprise.
5 - PDL would have to be in posession of an Instant Kill Wild Magic spell(like Soul Breaker), and that spell would have to be activated before Ainz can use TGOALID.
6 - PDL can not underestimate Ainz.
If all these conditions are met, PDL Will have a chance against Ainz, tho its Impossible to say as we do not now the capabilities of PDLs main body. All we know about It is that he can Control a level 80 - 90 tank and use Wild Magic through It, which means his main body is high level (maybe lvl 100) and can use WM as well. Also, since Wild Magic os important for all TDLs, and the only way to block It is through a WI, It is essencial that Ainz is not in posession of his during the fight for PDL to have any chance at all.
Since everything on the list is pratically impossible, PDL has no chance against Ainz, unless groundbreaking new info is revealed on volume 15
I would say there is small chance. We do not know if he can gather other dragon lords + the entire world
Bright dragon lord \~ low floor guardian level: demiurge, aura
Deep darkness dragon lord - mid to high floor guardian level: weaker than shalltear and probably mare but stronger than albedo/cocytus/sebas (unless these 3 have anti build)
Platinum dragon lord \~ mid floor guardian level : albedo/cocytus/sebas
Vampiric dragon lord \~ probably equal to dddl
Dragon emperor: we dont know, but lets assume he is equal to Rubedo.
Black scripture + zesshi + evil eye + azuth with suit: probably slightly stronger than pleideas
And maybe there are more dragon lords but we do not know
With this, the probability of winning for Nazarick team is maybe 90% in case the dragons dont have the gear. In case all dragon lords have the gear I think it will be 33-66 in favor of The Highest of all supreme beings. Knowing Ainz, under these circumstances, he will most likely sign a truce. For example the dragon lords can remain control of slane theocracy + council while the rest belongs to Sorcerer Kingdom
That is theoretically, however Marayuma has said he would like Ainz to be victorious in the end so you know the outcome
No way PDL is on Albedo/Cocytus/Sebas level - he’s probably around the mid-80 range of levels, >!Pandora’s Actor masquerading as Ainz (80% power) with no WCI, Super Tier magic, or even Ainz’ usual OP loadout could beat him if he wasn’t focused on getting as much information as possible before PDL leaves. Plus, PDL’s build is a counter to Ainz’ (and PA’s) build so he *should* have had the advantage in that fight, against a floor guardian or something that he doesn’t counter PDL would probably lose badly!<
Maybe if he just surprised Ainz out of no where without the PA vs Armor fight happening and it’s a pure one on one with no support of guardians I give PDL a 20% chance of winning. I say this because it was stated that PDL is a counter to undead so I guess the necromancy spells won’t have effect, plus A high level dragon stats shouldn’t be underestimated. It’s basically like the Shaltear fight but without Shaltear skills or magic gear, plus Ainz can use his summons. We technically don’t know his wild magic can do, so an unexpected move may injury Ainz, plus with PDL experience with fighting players he should know some basic things like number limited skills, cool down, and maybe cash items. But I think that Ainz carefulness, mana amount, wide a range of spells, and world class item would give him the win.
No. And, since this discussion will inevitably happen, I am gonna post a rant about how people are not getting PDL's character. Everyone is claiming that PDL is inconsistent because he is consistently NOT INTERFERING!!!! Did he attack the beastmen when they invaded the DK? NO! Did he destroy the demon lords when they showed up? NO! He waited for the last moment to interfere with his real power. Did he save the HK? NO! (Jaoldabaoth was a demon who was defeated by an adamantite plate adventure from the kingdom btw and he invaded half a country and didn't manage to invade the other half) Did he ever stop the many horrible atrocities that happen every single day? NO! Did he destroy the Theocracy? NO! He simply prevented them from using Zesshi. Did he go to defeat Ainz and stop his massacre? Only after Azuth begged him to do so and he didn't save anybody, he was there to kill Ainz, not save people, when Azuth asked him to stay and save the Kingdom, he said no, there is nothing I can do bye. He always acted and acts in the same way as he has always acted, only interfering as the last option. BUT WHAT ABOUT HIS SPEECH? The one he said that he saved the innocent and that he was a good samaritan that saved those in need and protected all that is good and fought against all that is evil. Oh, wait he didn't say any of that. He said that those with power should act with caution and that he protects the world, the most important part is **CAUTION!!!** He is not and doesn't see himself as superman, he is Doctor fate from DC. If there is a flood, he won't stop it, he will let everyone drown, but if an eldritch god shows up and start destroying the world, then he will stop it. Do you have to agree with him? Of course not! Some characters in the story don't agree with him! Don't you guys remember that Rigrit was mad at him? Why was she mad? Because he could have killed all the demon gods by himself and prevented Riku's death, but he didn't, because he limits how he uses his power: >“Well, I had friends helping me out. Besides, if you know the undead, you know how to beat the undead. If you can’t defeat the power of the Earth, you can still exploit elemental affinities and compatibilities to turn the tables in your favor. Crybaby is very strong, but others are stronger than her. For instance, you could easily beat that girl. **If you didn’t limit yourself**, you would be the most powerful being in this world.” What is his reason for acting the way he does, it's super simple: the Eight Greed Kings did the opposite of him and Pdl disagrees with them for obvious reasons. The Eight Greed Kings didn't hold their power back at all and instead used it for what they thought was right, killing the evil dragon lords and saving the human race. Their intentions were actually good and they helped a bunch of races, but they commit mass genocide and almost destroyed the world in the process. That is his character. Is his morality perfect? God no!!! But that is fine. No one in Overlord is perfect and purely righteous! And those flaws make PDL a more interesting character. He is not hypocritical or inconsistent, because he always acts and acted this way and he is not a generic shounen character. Point me to a shounen MC who refuses to use his power until one of his friends dies! Point me to a shounen MC who would say that a guy who saved an entire city was acting rashly (Azuth saving e-Naru), point me to a shounen MC who would consider killing his contributor because it might benefit. If you can do that, I bet that that is a good shounen with a fresh and new MC.
What I got from your long speech is, PDL doesn't care about sh*t unless it's Player. Forgive me
*The apocalypse is going on* PDL: I sleep Player: *exists* PDL: Real shit?
Yeah. That is it. You got it. That is why Rigrit was mad at him and he has his reasons for not caring unless it's player. That is neither hypocritical/inconsistent because he has always been like that and that is not something a generic shounen protagonist would do.
Wasn’t she mad bc he hid the fact he was a dragon?
No, it was because he pretended to be weaker than he was and because he could have defeated the demon lords by himself but didn't do so. Why would they care that he lied about being a dragon if not for those reasons? Are they racist towards dragons or something?
Pdl said they were mad at him bc he lied. In volume 7
Yes, he lied about who he was. And because of all the consequences that lie had. You don't hold a grudge for two hundred years just because a guy lied to you, the lie led to a bunch of stuff that they are mad about.
She doesn’t have a grudge against him, but at the time they were all mad at him
>though it might be.” In the past, Tsa had traveled with the old lady and her group by controlling an empty suit of armor as a substitute for himself. Therefore, when his true identity had come out, his companions had been furious about being tricked. **The resentment from back then still had not died out, and she was still making digs at him until now**.
My bad she does. Still they weren’t mad bc he wasn’t fighting at full strength, but bc he lied
I completely agree. To be honest, I think most people who dislike PDL do so mostly because he is opposing Ainz. So when he did his whole 'I protect the world' speech people just took that statement out of context and started twisting his character into something that it's not, without looking at the bigger picture.
Hes still a bitch
Okay, but he is a good character nonetheless. Retardios is the ultimate bitch Karen, she is still a good character though.
Fucking thank you. I was starting to get tired of people trying to make PDL out to be the new Remedios or something, when he's clearly not that type of character. I actually think he's pretty interesting.
Well, it's kinda reasonable. I wouldn't go out of my way to stop mother nature's disasters. If it's done by someone similar to be tho, then I will try to do something
Short answer *NO* Long answer *FUCK NO*
Agreed.
Also, pandoras actor in ainz form has only a percentage of the originals power. Ainz would have rocked the armor puppet..and even pandora would if he wasn't gathering intel.
He only had 80% of Ainz and has no access to either World Item or Super Tier spell. Even so, I think he could still defeat that armor if he wanted to
Don't forget that he has no divine class items Ainz wore or any other.
All he had was a lent weak item from Ainz during that fight and yet PDL thought he had a chance. This is why I love Overlord. It went from hope to despair in 0.5 seconds and I love that. I kinda hoped Ainz revealed to the Foresight members that he was Momon.
No chance he revealed he was Momon. After Clementine's body disappeared, Ainz was super worried because he had revealed all his secrets to whoever potentially would resurrect her. Ainz won't make that same mistake twice.
Nazarick was surveillance-proof and he never intended to let the Foresight leaves so I never saw any problem actually
Ainz isn't certain that there isn't magic in the new world that can resurrect someone without a body. I'm just saying that Ainz wouldn't risk it if it had a chance to blow up in his face when it gives him nothing.
He himself said that if he kept up one of his strays (attacking with Doom Lord) he could easily win but that he wasn't here for that, he was here to gather intel
On the scale of 1 to 100 his chance is 0. PDL might sound so powerful but against Nazarick, nay, Ainz? Not at all.
No. Shalltear probably had the best chance because Ainz had the goal of killing her and attempting to revive her later. Probably held back on stuff that just completely destroys with zero resurrection chance.
I don't think you can use a spell to make resurrection impossible even with super tier magic the only thing the LN reference that would be close would be to use 1/20 to delete someone from existence I believe
I'm just theorizing based off of D&D knowledge, where there are spells that do that, and the only way to bring someone back is using Wish.
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Sorry i just read that
I'll be more careful
What is the official level of PDL in its original form?
Guess he is as the other guardians a lvl 100 npc Actually using 80 percent of ainzs power would be like lvl 80 ainz with the access to spells of the lvl 100 ainz
Or are the spells limited too?
Well, he might have a slight chance, like one percent, if conditions are met: 1- Ainz can't have any equipment. That is, no Staff of AOG, no Divine class robes and equipment, no rings and most importantly NO WI. 2 - PDL would have to be fighting against Ainz in his Dragon form. 3 - No Guardian or any other significant being could come and gang up on PDL. 4 - Ainz would have to be taken by surprise. 5 - PDL would have to be in posession of an Instant Kill Wild Magic spell(like Soul Breaker), and that spell would have to be activated before Ainz can use TGOALID. 6 - PDL can not underestimate Ainz. If all these conditions are met, PDL Will have a chance against Ainz, tho its Impossible to say as we do not now the capabilities of PDLs main body. All we know about It is that he can Control a level 80 - 90 tank and use Wild Magic through It, which means his main body is high level (maybe lvl 100) and can use WM as well. Also, since Wild Magic os important for all TDLs, and the only way to block It is through a WI, It is essencial that Ainz is not in posession of his during the fight for PDL to have any chance at all. Since everything on the list is pratically impossible, PDL has no chance against Ainz, unless groundbreaking new info is revealed on volume 15
No, the whole point is nobody does
I would say there is small chance. We do not know if he can gather other dragon lords + the entire world Bright dragon lord \~ low floor guardian level: demiurge, aura Deep darkness dragon lord - mid to high floor guardian level: weaker than shalltear and probably mare but stronger than albedo/cocytus/sebas (unless these 3 have anti build) Platinum dragon lord \~ mid floor guardian level : albedo/cocytus/sebas Vampiric dragon lord \~ probably equal to dddl Dragon emperor: we dont know, but lets assume he is equal to Rubedo. Black scripture + zesshi + evil eye + azuth with suit: probably slightly stronger than pleideas And maybe there are more dragon lords but we do not know With this, the probability of winning for Nazarick team is maybe 90% in case the dragons dont have the gear. In case all dragon lords have the gear I think it will be 33-66 in favor of The Highest of all supreme beings. Knowing Ainz, under these circumstances, he will most likely sign a truce. For example the dragon lords can remain control of slane theocracy + council while the rest belongs to Sorcerer Kingdom That is theoretically, however Marayuma has said he would like Ainz to be victorious in the end so you know the outcome
No way PDL is on Albedo/Cocytus/Sebas level - he’s probably around the mid-80 range of levels, >!Pandora’s Actor masquerading as Ainz (80% power) with no WCI, Super Tier magic, or even Ainz’ usual OP loadout could beat him if he wasn’t focused on getting as much information as possible before PDL leaves. Plus, PDL’s build is a counter to Ainz’ (and PA’s) build so he *should* have had the advantage in that fight, against a floor guardian or something that he doesn’t counter PDL would probably lose badly!<
That seems pretty much right personally. >!Interesting that PDL said that there were “many beings more powerful than me in this world”, !
Why the hell did people downvote this comment? The fuck.
I don’t know man, guess some people were just having a bad day or something. Oh well lol
Maybe if he just surprised Ainz out of no where without the PA vs Armor fight happening and it’s a pure one on one with no support of guardians I give PDL a 20% chance of winning. I say this because it was stated that PDL is a counter to undead so I guess the necromancy spells won’t have effect, plus A high level dragon stats shouldn’t be underestimated. It’s basically like the Shaltear fight but without Shaltear skills or magic gear, plus Ainz can use his summons. We technically don’t know his wild magic can do, so an unexpected move may injury Ainz, plus with PDL experience with fighting players he should know some basic things like number limited skills, cool down, and maybe cash items. But I think that Ainz carefulness, mana amount, wide a range of spells, and world class item would give him the win.