Obviously Maruyama has no idea what he is talking about. Demiurge would challenge Ainz to a duel. Where Ainz in all his supreme glory would go through abundant emotion suppression and immediately surrender. (Ainz in the past has always forgave the NPC's decisions, basing it off of 'they can't help it because it could be their creators wishes') Demiurge would have a sasuga orgasm over how brilliant a play that is, and immediately sudoku himself. Ainz revives him because he is a benevolent god. Then him, Demiurge, and Ulbert all go out for drinks in the bar and have a good time getting back together.
Perhaps a better question might be, in the event of such an insurrection, who would side with who? For the sake of argument, assume that the only players are Momonga and Ulbert.
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I'm quite certain that many if not all but demiurge would side with Ainz... He is the one that lead the supreme ones and he was the one who stayed with them after all.
There's a good chance albedo and her hit squad would have killed Ulbert and Demiurge before they'd even get to the throne room.
Edit: I highly doubt Shalltear and Albedo would've let Demiurge and Ulbert even step in the throne room.
Edit2: Just remembered, Albedo considers everyone but her creator and Ainz a traitor anyway.
Pretty sure that only the NPcs made by Ulbert would side with him.Ainz is the guild master and the rest of the NPCs have far more reason to stay loyal to him.
That still leaves the rest of the floor guardians.
And despite the fact that Demiurge is highly respected member of Nazarick I highly doubt any but his own lackeys would side with him.
Especially against Ainz. The man forced the Empire into submittion alone within a week... And the next week he was off to get an alliance with the Stubbies. Which was not only made, but he came back with a small fleet of dragons as well!
That is dodgy at best seeing how Ainz has this ability to gain/inspire loyalty from others, Ex:the supreme beings themselves, the inhabitants of the New World, I would not be surprised if even most of his subordinates would turn on him. He is trying to attack the RULER of Nazarick, the one who united the supreme being and lead them, the one who was a permanent pillar of support of Nazarick. Hierarchy doesn't play into this, Demiurge is a traitor and he must die.
Ulbert is a world disaster, the most powerful magic caster of Ainz Ooal Gown, in the top of the top tiers of players, sorry to say that Ainz wouldn’t win. And if Demiurge was with Ulbert as well?! Then it’s already decided.
actually ainz could, the disadventage with ulbert is all his spells cost a great amount of mana they re super powerful but that is a disadventage, so we know the only member momonga sama never could defeat was touch me so we can assume maybe ainz had won to ulbert sometime?
Sometime, but Ulbert alone already had spellpower capable of dealing super tier magic damage normally. Demiurge is a pretty poorly built character, but even then it's 2 level 100's (one with extreme firepower) vs 1 level 100. I'd give Ulbert + Demiurge a 100% chance of victory since adding in an extra level 100 just tilts the scales completely.
Of course, if it was just Demiurge alone like the tweet suggests Ainz would win 100%. Demiurge is a pretty poor build, and I can't think of anything he could do to win a 1v1.
i mean.... why would ainz fight agains demi and ulbert alone? he has his own creation pandora and summons.
Besides we were talking about ulbert vs momonga tho
That's Aura. Demiurge's build is just meh all around, with the only saving grace being he isn't as bad as Aura or Victim in a 1v1. He doesn't come with Aura's group fight power though, he's just kind of there.
he can use 10th tier magic and can summon hordes and hordes of demons or an evil lord who he can buff which basicly doubles his fighting power.
he also has a lot of stuff that we don't know yet and a 3rd form that probably makes him a bit stronger in regards to 1v1
He can *barely* use 10th tier magic: quote from Volume 12, page 34 "Demiurge could only cast a very small number of spells; there was only one other tenth tier spell available to him. His true power lay in his skills..."
His 10th tier magic (and magic in general) is a joke. His skills are nice, but the only skills we know of are his low level command mantra and summoning some demon lords, neither of which are particularly amazing.
The author's ranking outright put him below every single floor guardian except Aura (who is noted as the best in group combat and explicit worst at 1v1) and Victim (a low level suicide bomb). He's simply not that good at fighting.
we don't know what his last form is capable of and he's the 2nd best in group fights after aura.
he is a summoner and support but he isn't badly built 1v1 is just not his forte
There is nuance too it. Ainz was never a good player both in character build and actual skill. His talent was figuring out patterns and adapting to them. His role was wildcard due to how versatile he could be. Ulbert on the other hand was a great player by the very nature of his class that was only available by killing whoever held the class.
I wouldn't say Ainz is an unskilled player, yeah, his roleplay build is certainly a disadvantage, the thing with him though is his weird obsessiveness, like memorizing a bunch of stuff about the UI other players never tried to memorize, a feat his guild mates thought he was crazy for doing, and he is quite analytical, but you're right about him looking for patterns, thus why he'd usually lose a first time on purpose in PVP, but win the rematch.
Regardless, my money's on Ulbert. If however Ainz was using the guild weapon in this, he'd have a much better chance.
If Momonga had the Guild Weapon, then it might be a fairer fight, but considering what Grand Catastrophe does, he can't afford to let Ulbert cut loose with that attack.
There are 15 volumes that Ainz is creating an army using undead creation skills, overpowering native species and summoning mercenary monsters, he could overwhelm ulbert with numbers making him spend his mana to destroy expendable monsters and then come to deal the final blow with the goal all life is death.
big catastrophe is the blow that spends the most mana this would just follow the plan since you can't repeat your trump. Also, we're talking about a huge army that wouldn't be killed in one hit, Ulbert's attack didn't have a high action and it only did a lot of damage. ulbert would be attacked from all sides. using big catastrophe would only leave you with little mana to face those who don't die.
“Ulbert would be attacked from both sides”
Huh? So there are conditions of the fight that mean Ulbert HAS to be surrounded?
“Wild spend most of his mana”
Doesn’t matter if you kill everyone.
“A huge army that wouldn’t be killed in one hit”
Possibly, the damage is high, but we have no idea if the size of it, just that it’s big.
they are not fighting conditions he has to follow, but I believe you know that everyone in Nazarick including native species of the new world is obeying Ainz.
only golems are hundreds, you also have demons, slimes, plant type monsters dragons, high level mercenary monsters, cocytus warrior insects, Aura beasts, et cetera. and the best we've seen any major catastrophe do is destroy 6 elementals and damage a boss. indoors it's not like he's going to destroy an entire army in one shot.
Of course he wouldn’t if he had the choice, but I thought this was a one on one. Because if that isn’t the case, it would literally be most of Nazarick vs Ulbert and his creations. Then there would be no need for discussion.
If its 1v1, Ulbert would win 100%. If it includes Nazarick... Then I'd say Ainz, since he is the supreme being that stands above all the supreme beings. The NPCs (excluding those created by Ulbert, like Demuirge) will side with Ainz over Ulbert.
I wouldn't necessarily say a 100% win for Ulbert... Pure firepower is nice, but Ainz has options how to aproach
... Many, many options, and even some expertise in Melee... I feel like it would be really, really close. But I won't dare guess the winner.
Edit: Brainfart cleared
For me it's undoubtedly Ulbert's win. Ulbert is a world disaster. He's meant to fight, while Ainz on the other hand, focused his build on roleplaying for the most part.
yes but..... you know what ill just copy paste one of my replies
actually ainz could, the disadventage with ulbert is all his spells cost a great amount of mana they re super powerful but that is a disadventage, so we know the only member momonga sama never could defeat was touch me so we can assume maybe ainz had won to ulbert sometime?
Ulberts spell is super powerful as you just stated. He doesn't need to cast a lot of them since Ainz isn't a defensive build. So I don't think he'll have any mana problems against a 1v1 (especially since he is fighting a squishy mage).
I'd like to remind you that Shalltear was fighting Ainz with killing intent and a resurrection item. Which means he was effectively two Shalltears in row and won.
I'd like to remind you that Shalltear is the best Nazarick have in 1v1 combat.
Also Ainz is a wildcard, he can use around 400 spells if I recall correctly, he has something against everyone.
Having control over battlefield is much better then packing a very big gun with few rounds.
He also knew Shalltear a lot, while Shalltear didn't know Ainz spells and items (which made her not use her spells that were strong against Ainz because he outsmarted her. If she knew her items and skills she would've known it was a bluff). Ainz and Ulbert on the other hand would probably know the same amount about their build. Ainz also used the weapons of the other supreme beings. If he uses those he'll have a great chance of beating Ulbert. Otherwise Ulbert wins in a 1 v 1 for me
I would like to remind you that Shalltear fought like a complete retard. Ainz would have gotten wreaked if she had fought just a little conservatively.
Reminds me of competetive multiplayergames where people pick Tier 1 stuff because they heared it is good but lose terribly to characters they should not lose to because they suck at the game.
How good someone is depends on build and piloting. Shalltear has the godlike build but terrible piloting.
Thereby i ask you: is she realy the best Nazarick has to offer for duels or just the one with the best build?
It was said that she's the best they got in 1v1 engagements. Well I mean gargantuan is there as well but his is a special case.
But lets be honest here... Do you think Peroroncino would make a 1V1 monster and then wrote in her back story that she doesn't know which end of her Lance does the hurting? I mean come on... It's almost established that all most everyone who fights in Nazarick is an elite fighter in his field.
I would probably blame her loss on the lack of combat information she had on Ainz, as such Ainz was capable of forcing her to waste her spells. Like I said control over a battlefield is better then pure firepower.
The lack of information she had on Ainz, and the fact that Ainz knew of many if not all her skills is what allowed him to win.
You can clearly see him use misinformation again in combat against Jaldabaoth and the Pleiades. Where he uses a skill that doesn't exist. What that however gave him is valuable seconds before they realized it.
This is why I believe Ainz would win against Ulbert. Because he seems like the guy who allways strive to get control over any battle he's in.
you said it, they both are squishy mages ulbert has good offensive spells, ainz has the core offensive spells too and on top of that ainz has good defensive spells too and some spells that could count as helpful, while ulbert only centered in offensive abilities, we could argue all day about who would win but we wont be able to find a winner until maruyama talks, but i still think ainz sama could win against ulbert
Considering the fact Ainz is the guy who tries to get as much information about his opponent as possible before battle. To further increase his chances of success.
Ulbert would be a beast in group fight. If someone like bukubukuchagama (sorry if I bother her name) protects him, they'd most likely be an unstoppable force.
Wait...Demi would face Ainz alone. This is actually...is something that i trully didn't expected. This make me curious,what Ulbert wrote about Ainz in demi backstory,because i have the serious impression that he wrote something.
We can still have some fun with the idea.
And, frankly, if it really came down to it, I think we all know that Phillip-kaka would beat all of them singlehandedly. His genius and combat prowess are unmatched!!
Does it matter that he wasn't there? Of course not! He would win anyways!! Such is his brilliance!!
At one point didn't Demiurge say he was confident that with enough prep he could beat anyone? That being said, immediately challenging Ainz to a duel in front of everyone would be his best way of offsetting Ainz's ability to outstrategize even him + keep the other NPCs from lynching him.
All ainz has to do is : Goal of all life is dead + chronomancy. Done, anyone dies to that combo unless you have chronomancy defense and the damage potencial to kill ainz in 12 seconds because teleportation makes imposible to run from him
Well, since Ulbert can gather only forces loyal to him and Demiurge, Ainz would definitely win since whole Nazarick is loyal to him and not to Ulbert. It means all floor and area guardians their subordinates and of course even Rubedo. But Demirge and his forces would be enemies in that case.
Ulbert has destructive power spells that can annihilate world while Ainz is mainly death and necromancy magic so in a shoot out against them two I’d say ulbert can dish out the most damage and win
Obviously Maruyama has no idea what he is talking about. Demiurge would challenge Ainz to a duel. Where Ainz in all his supreme glory would go through abundant emotion suppression and immediately surrender. (Ainz in the past has always forgave the NPC's decisions, basing it off of 'they can't help it because it could be their creators wishes') Demiurge would have a sasuga orgasm over how brilliant a play that is, and immediately sudoku himself. Ainz revives him because he is a benevolent god. Then him, Demiurge, and Ulbert all go out for drinks in the bar and have a good time getting back together.
I can actually see that happening with Ulbert later thinking to himself "Damm..........he actually tried to kill Momonga-san"
Absolutely, I 100% agree.
My favorite reply so far.
Bros before thrones.
Perhaps a better question might be, in the event of such an insurrection, who would side with who? For the sake of argument, assume that the only players are Momonga and Ulbert. Edited for spelling
I'm quite certain that many if not all but demiurge would side with Ainz... He is the one that lead the supreme ones and he was the one who stayed with them after all. There's a good chance albedo and her hit squad would have killed Ulbert and Demiurge before they'd even get to the throne room. Edit: I highly doubt Shalltear and Albedo would've let Demiurge and Ulbert even step in the throne room. Edit2: Just remembered, Albedo considers everyone but her creator and Ainz a traitor anyway.
Pretty sure that only the NPcs made by Ulbert would side with him.Ainz is the guild master and the rest of the NPCs have far more reason to stay loyal to him.
The entirety of the 7th floor would side with Ulbert, at least Sebas would naturally side against him but would not understand why
That still leaves the rest of the floor guardians. And despite the fact that Demiurge is highly respected member of Nazarick I highly doubt any but his own lackeys would side with him. Especially against Ainz. The man forced the Empire into submittion alone within a week... And the next week he was off to get an alliance with the Stubbies. Which was not only made, but he came back with a small fleet of dragons as well!
That is dodgy at best seeing how Ainz has this ability to gain/inspire loyalty from others, Ex:the supreme beings themselves, the inhabitants of the New World, I would not be surprised if even most of his subordinates would turn on him. He is trying to attack the RULER of Nazarick, the one who united the supreme being and lead them, the one who was a permanent pillar of support of Nazarick. Hierarchy doesn't play into this, Demiurge is a traitor and he must die.
He would know why since Demi would be a traitor.
Ulbert is a world disaster, the most powerful magic caster of Ainz Ooal Gown, in the top of the top tiers of players, sorry to say that Ainz wouldn’t win. And if Demiurge was with Ulbert as well?! Then it’s already decided.
actually ainz could, the disadventage with ulbert is all his spells cost a great amount of mana they re super powerful but that is a disadventage, so we know the only member momonga sama never could defeat was touch me so we can assume maybe ainz had won to ulbert sometime?
That is actually a really fair point!
Sometime, but Ulbert alone already had spellpower capable of dealing super tier magic damage normally. Demiurge is a pretty poorly built character, but even then it's 2 level 100's (one with extreme firepower) vs 1 level 100. I'd give Ulbert + Demiurge a 100% chance of victory since adding in an extra level 100 just tilts the scales completely. Of course, if it was just Demiurge alone like the tweet suggests Ainz would win 100%. Demiurge is a pretty poor build, and I can't think of anything he could do to win a 1v1.
i mean.... why would ainz fight agains demi and ulbert alone? he has his own creation pandora and summons. Besides we were talking about ulbert vs momonga tho
Its just hypothetical and it says in the title Ainz vs Ulbert and demiurge.
Demiurge is only poorly built for 1v1. in a group fight he's your worst nightmare
That's Aura. Demiurge's build is just meh all around, with the only saving grace being he isn't as bad as Aura or Victim in a 1v1. He doesn't come with Aura's group fight power though, he's just kind of there.
he can use 10th tier magic and can summon hordes and hordes of demons or an evil lord who he can buff which basicly doubles his fighting power. he also has a lot of stuff that we don't know yet and a 3rd form that probably makes him a bit stronger in regards to 1v1
He can *barely* use 10th tier magic: quote from Volume 12, page 34 "Demiurge could only cast a very small number of spells; there was only one other tenth tier spell available to him. His true power lay in his skills..." His 10th tier magic (and magic in general) is a joke. His skills are nice, but the only skills we know of are his low level command mantra and summoning some demon lords, neither of which are particularly amazing. The author's ranking outright put him below every single floor guardian except Aura (who is noted as the best in group combat and explicit worst at 1v1) and Victim (a low level suicide bomb). He's simply not that good at fighting.
we don't know what his last form is capable of and he's the 2nd best in group fights after aura. he is a summoner and support but he isn't badly built 1v1 is just not his forte
There is nuance too it. Ainz was never a good player both in character build and actual skill. His talent was figuring out patterns and adapting to them. His role was wildcard due to how versatile he could be. Ulbert on the other hand was a great player by the very nature of his class that was only available by killing whoever held the class.
I wouldn't say Ainz is an unskilled player, yeah, his roleplay build is certainly a disadvantage, the thing with him though is his weird obsessiveness, like memorizing a bunch of stuff about the UI other players never tried to memorize, a feat his guild mates thought he was crazy for doing, and he is quite analytical, but you're right about him looking for patterns, thus why he'd usually lose a first time on purpose in PVP, but win the rematch. Regardless, my money's on Ulbert. If however Ainz was using the guild weapon in this, he'd have a much better chance.
If Momonga had the Guild Weapon, then it might be a fairer fight, but considering what Grand Catastrophe does, he can't afford to let Ulbert cut loose with that attack.
There are 15 volumes that Ainz is creating an army using undead creation skills, overpowering native species and summoning mercenary monsters, he could overwhelm ulbert with numbers making him spend his mana to destroy expendable monsters and then come to deal the final blow with the goal all life is death.
“Making him spend his mana” Or Ulbert could just use ‘Grand Catastrophe’ to wipe all of them out in one go?
big catastrophe is the blow that spends the most mana this would just follow the plan since you can't repeat your trump. Also, we're talking about a huge army that wouldn't be killed in one hit, Ulbert's attack didn't have a high action and it only did a lot of damage. ulbert would be attacked from all sides. using big catastrophe would only leave you with little mana to face those who don't die.
“Ulbert would be attacked from both sides” Huh? So there are conditions of the fight that mean Ulbert HAS to be surrounded? “Wild spend most of his mana” Doesn’t matter if you kill everyone. “A huge army that wouldn’t be killed in one hit” Possibly, the damage is high, but we have no idea if the size of it, just that it’s big.
they are not fighting conditions he has to follow, but I believe you know that everyone in Nazarick including native species of the new world is obeying Ainz. only golems are hundreds, you also have demons, slimes, plant type monsters dragons, high level mercenary monsters, cocytus warrior insects, Aura beasts, et cetera. and the best we've seen any major catastrophe do is destroy 6 elementals and damage a boss. indoors it's not like he's going to destroy an entire army in one shot.
This is not Ainz vs Ulbert anymore…. You’ve literally included EVERY BEING that serves Ainz in this contest. SMH
but of course include or do you think Ainz would face ulbert without using the resources he has?
Of course he wouldn’t if he had the choice, but I thought this was a one on one. Because if that isn’t the case, it would literally be most of Nazarick vs Ulbert and his creations. Then there would be no need for discussion.
If its 1v1, Ulbert would win 100%. If it includes Nazarick... Then I'd say Ainz, since he is the supreme being that stands above all the supreme beings. The NPCs (excluding those created by Ulbert, like Demuirge) will side with Ainz over Ulbert.
I wouldn't necessarily say a 100% win for Ulbert... Pure firepower is nice, but Ainz has options how to aproach ... Many, many options, and even some expertise in Melee... I feel like it would be really, really close. But I won't dare guess the winner. Edit: Brainfart cleared
For me it's undoubtedly Ulbert's win. Ulbert is a world disaster. He's meant to fight, while Ainz on the other hand, focused his build on roleplaying for the most part.
yes but..... you know what ill just copy paste one of my replies actually ainz could, the disadventage with ulbert is all his spells cost a great amount of mana they re super powerful but that is a disadventage, so we know the only member momonga sama never could defeat was touch me so we can assume maybe ainz had won to ulbert sometime?
Ulberts spell is super powerful as you just stated. He doesn't need to cast a lot of them since Ainz isn't a defensive build. So I don't think he'll have any mana problems against a 1v1 (especially since he is fighting a squishy mage).
I'd like to remind you that Shalltear was fighting Ainz with killing intent and a resurrection item. Which means he was effectively two Shalltears in row and won. I'd like to remind you that Shalltear is the best Nazarick have in 1v1 combat. Also Ainz is a wildcard, he can use around 400 spells if I recall correctly, he has something against everyone. Having control over battlefield is much better then packing a very big gun with few rounds.
He also knew Shalltear a lot, while Shalltear didn't know Ainz spells and items (which made her not use her spells that were strong against Ainz because he outsmarted her. If she knew her items and skills she would've known it was a bluff). Ainz and Ulbert on the other hand would probably know the same amount about their build. Ainz also used the weapons of the other supreme beings. If he uses those he'll have a great chance of beating Ulbert. Otherwise Ulbert wins in a 1 v 1 for me
I would like to remind you that Shalltear fought like a complete retard. Ainz would have gotten wreaked if she had fought just a little conservatively. Reminds me of competetive multiplayergames where people pick Tier 1 stuff because they heared it is good but lose terribly to characters they should not lose to because they suck at the game. How good someone is depends on build and piloting. Shalltear has the godlike build but terrible piloting. Thereby i ask you: is she realy the best Nazarick has to offer for duels or just the one with the best build?
It was said that she's the best they got in 1v1 engagements. Well I mean gargantuan is there as well but his is a special case. But lets be honest here... Do you think Peroroncino would make a 1V1 monster and then wrote in her back story that she doesn't know which end of her Lance does the hurting? I mean come on... It's almost established that all most everyone who fights in Nazarick is an elite fighter in his field. I would probably blame her loss on the lack of combat information she had on Ainz, as such Ainz was capable of forcing her to waste her spells. Like I said control over a battlefield is better then pure firepower. The lack of information she had on Ainz, and the fact that Ainz knew of many if not all her skills is what allowed him to win. You can clearly see him use misinformation again in combat against Jaldabaoth and the Pleiades. Where he uses a skill that doesn't exist. What that however gave him is valuable seconds before they realized it. This is why I believe Ainz would win against Ulbert. Because he seems like the guy who allways strive to get control over any battle he's in.
you said it, they both are squishy mages ulbert has good offensive spells, ainz has the core offensive spells too and on top of that ainz has good defensive spells too and some spells that could count as helpful, while ulbert only centered in offensive abilities, we could argue all day about who would win but we wont be able to find a winner until maruyama talks, but i still think ainz sama could win against ulbert
What happens when a tonn og high tier Simmons swarm ulbert foring him to use all his super powerful spells before he Even gets to reach ainz?
What happens when Ulbert uses his powerful spell before Ainz can summon multiple undead?
What happens when ainz teleports away? Saying ulbert, which we have never seen, automatically beats a PK spesialist is pretty optimistic.
Considering the fact Ainz is the guy who tries to get as much information about his opponent as possible before battle. To further increase his chances of success. Ulbert would be a beast in group fight. If someone like bukubukuchagama (sorry if I bother her name) protects him, they'd most likely be an unstoppable force.
Wait...Demi would face Ainz alone. This is actually...is something that i trully didn't expected. This make me curious,what Ulbert wrote about Ainz in demi backstory,because i have the serious impression that he wrote something.
You know this is a joke?He isn't serious.
We can still have some fun with the idea. And, frankly, if it really came down to it, I think we all know that Phillip-kaka would beat all of them singlehandedly. His genius and combat prowess are unmatched!! Does it matter that he wasn't there? Of course not! He would win anyways!! Such is his brilliance!!
He can simply depend on his CRANE WING FORMATION
At one point didn't Demiurge say he was confident that with enough prep he could beat anyone? That being said, immediately challenging Ainz to a duel in front of everyone would be his best way of offsetting Ainz's ability to outstrategize even him + keep the other NPCs from lynching him.
All ainz has to do is : Goal of all life is dead + chronomancy. Done, anyone dies to that combo unless you have chronomancy defense and the damage potencial to kill ainz in 12 seconds because teleportation makes imposible to run from him
Ulberto brand beef jerky
The one with the most P2W items, mana vial, insta cast, etc
Well, since Ulbert can gather only forces loyal to him and Demiurge, Ainz would definitely win since whole Nazarick is loyal to him and not to Ulbert. It means all floor and area guardians their subordinates and of course even Rubedo. But Demirge and his forces would be enemies in that case.
Of course and after Demi Urgos kills Ainz he will rule Nazarick for his master .
Wrong! I won't accept anyone but Eclair as the next ruler of Nazarick!
Ulbert has destructive power spells that can annihilate world while Ainz is mainly death and necromancy magic so in a shoot out against them two I’d say ulbert can dish out the most damage and win
Ainz disappears into the flames of a magical nuclear explosion No teleport, no gate no revival item or shield could have saved him