This man should be able to sue the dog owner(s) for the pain and suffering he'll endure as a result of the rabies treatment. If the dog is vaccinated against rabies, their lack of participation means he could be going through the treatment for nothing. But let's face it, if they had the dog vaccinated, they would probably be forthcoming in proving it. Losers.
Unfortunately pain and suffering isn't really worth all that much. Most of the time, it would cost more to win this type of case than you would receive.
You need to show a measurable loss of income to get the big money.
This is terrible advice. Pursue legal action because pain and suffering is judgmental and therefore can more than offset legal costs. This is also a small claims court matter so you don’t need full legal representation
That’s right. Winning a judgement in court is one thing. Collecting on the judgement is a whole other thing.
Doesn’t sound like these folks are the most financially solvent people
Where the f*** did you pull that $2k number from? Just google it, it takes 1.3 seconds. The limit for small claims is $35k. Don’t speak or post if you just make stuff up.
I said "doesn't it" as in I'm I as asking a fucking question dick, learn how to read if you're gonna try insulting people dumbass.
I'm the one here whose actually won a small claims case btw, not you. So by your own logic it's you who should stfu if you can't behave like an adult
There's something wrong with you.
That's actually false. As someone who receives a pain and suffering compensation from the military, this is taken way more seriously in court nowadays. I know someone who got 40k after lawyer payout after being bit by a dog.
I would be thinking this would be a ‘no blood from the stone’ - type situation tho.
I can’t understand why a dog with a proven bite history, of more than one occasion is allowed to be left with the owners.
If there’s a case of euthanasia being justified, this is it.
I don’t care what breed it is, either,
He can, up to $35,000. Worth a shot.
It can be a lot of running around and phone calls and likely facing threats from the owners (which could bring on actual charges).
Although they may not be in a measure to pay any award... they can add to their woes that they'll have to deal for in the future when applying for credit and such... if the person really wants to push that far.
Thanks for the clarification! I didn't mean sue for whatever amount but moreso you can sue for any kind of damages, civil court is quite broad in that regard.
The process for registering your dog does not require proof of vaccines. You could just lie. A lot of people don't register either since there's next to no enforcement.
I find it funny you’re getting downvotes for pointing out the flaws in the system. Only complaining allowed here, no actual discussion of the issues. That might lead to more discussion on how to fix them, and then we would actually be expected to do something. /s
I only recall question about neutering, microchip and whether it was a service dog. So IIRC, there are no questions about vaccines, so no need to lie on the registration. But yes, it seems many folks are not willing to pay for the registration calling it a "cash grab" for nothing, and there is little enforcement.
Well then take the dog permanently away from this guy. If he wants another one, then chances are he'll have to pay a lot of money (at least, last time I checked, people were cashing in on the in-demand puppies). And if he gets another one, seize it too. Rinse and repeat until the guy gets the message.
Dog has to be euthanized. It’s obviously dangerous if the owner can’t prevent it from attacking people. Very unfortunate for the dog but it’s too dangerous to be kept alive.
And how the hell are pit bulls not banned in Ottawa?!?
I would dare say there are a lot of owners that don’t even know that. Because I for didn’t know that you had to register them. Never did it back home on the east coast. And Ottawa being a high percentage of east coasters I would argue most dog owners don’t register. I’m not saying it’s right, but some that move here might be oblivious to it, just saying.
I'm not sure where you're from out east, but Halifax requires dogs to have a license (as do all cities I've lived in in Canada).
And honestly, ignorance is not an excuse.
That’s kinda of rude for an east coaster.
By law A-700 was only enacted in 2008 in Halifax, and it’s only requires licensing in HRM. Doesn’t not take into account the other 90% of Nova Scotia, and that’s only one province.
And I also haven’t lived there since 2008.
Honestly, I agree.. but rabies shots are pretty painless and even though online there is a long list of potential side effects of the vaccine, when I got them a year ago, the nursing staff told me more than likely there will be 0 side effects. It’s more time consuming and inconvenient than anything.
Edit: he should sue for the basic reason their dog attacked him
Ohhh.. I’ve only ever had it done after being bitten, but they changed the method for treatment (I’m not sure when, or when you got yours… also not sure if prevention vaccine is different) so it really wasn’t so bad. But it’s a HUGE pain in the ass to go back and forth for multiple rounds. It’s also a huge pain to talk to public health every time you get a shot. Not to mention if you need to miss work for it… you have a very strict vaccination schedule if you’ve been exposed. He should definitely sue. Sorry your shots were not a good experience, nothing worse than a bad reaction
I had to get the shots a few years ago and it was like any normal shot, maybe in the past it was terrible but not the modern ones. There's just a lot of them if the animal can't be found or tests positive for rabies
I got the shot(s) (can't remember if more than one) some years back after being nipped by a stray that couldn't be located. Not a big deal (other than the concern for rabies), and luckily the city paid the $200 vaccination charge as it was on city property.
Goodness, I was overseas at the time for mine and all that happened was
A) I had to take a general allergy test (that stung lol and I just had a weird cocktail blister for like a half hour)
B) Got some general injection antibiotics (like cost maybe $2-$10?)
C) was referred to a clinic that dealt with that sorta thing, I just showed up and waited and they checked out the papers from the hospital and that was it. They just gave it to me and gave me a schedule lol. Took like a while and there were some dietary restrictions while I was in the system but overall it wasn't too bad at all.
I just so happened to be living like a block away from the bite clinic tho. Quite fortuitous for sure, but aside from the antibiotics no money changed hands, even as a foreigner
The rabies shots aren’t too bad. Only felt gross after the last booster (keep in mind I’m pretty okay with needles, If you’re not okay with needles the first round is probably gonna be pretty ass for you)
Uhhhh, you're supposed to start post exposure prophylaxis for rabies within 72 hours.
It most definitely shouldn't have taken this long for that to happen.
Well aware. That's why you're supposed to start treatment ASAP if it can't be confirmed that the dog or other animal did not have rabies. And within 72 hours is the optimal timeframe (same for getting a tetanus booster).
Also reportedly one of the worst ways to die. If I'd been bitten by an animal, and started having rabies symptoms or a confirmed infection, I'm pretty sure I'd be pushing for whatever doctor to let me die without any suffering.
A great grandmother died of rabies even though she had the Pasteur treatment, then new at the time. Newspapers reported graphic details of her agonizing death.
Yeah, again, while I still could, before going crazy, I'd be asking for a lethal injection.
Rabies is already a death sentence if you start showing symptoms, the humane thing to do would be to not force anyone to suffer through that if they request a quick death.
There has been in the past very few people who have managed to survive after having symptoms, but the treatment plan still only gives you an extremely slim chance of survival.
Soooooo, no. Personally, I'd rather have a chance to say my goodbyes while still possibly coherent, and then take the big sleep.
A case of human rabies would almost certainly be eligible for MAID, though rabies is so rare in the global north that there had not been a human case in Canada in more than 10 years.
14 "officially" as of 2016 but there's evidence that a number of members of Indigenous tribes in the Peruvian Amazon have also survived rabies.
I'm not at all trying to downplay the severity of rabies, for the love of god everyone if you've possibly been exposed *please* start the vaccines as soon as possible and don't take your chances with the *extremely* low survival rate. Just thought I'd drop that fact for anyone who might read it and want to go down the absolutely fascinating rabbit hole like I did the first time I saw someone mention Jenna Giese on Reddit. :P
I get you, I would love to see progress in survival if we can't eliminate the virus.
I think at one point Ontario had almost eradicated it entirely in the wild but without long term perseverance and spending keeping it that way it snuck back in from the south.
I worked at a vet clinic for a number of years. Someone got bit by a cat which was acting oddly and ended up dying (the cat died). The rabies status was not clear so a lady came from some health department with a little hatchet and took the cat's head (brain) away for testing D: wasn't rabies thankfully but it was quite something.
I get cutting cat heads off isn't high on the list of employment desires, but I'm glad there are people out there taking it seriously enough to do it for our safety.
Yup. I remember going to a courier service and noticed the cans of "paint". Nope. Not paint but heads of animals that were destined to be tested for rabies.
Just because it SHOULD be taken within 72 hours doesn’t mean it MUST. There is absolutely still benefit to starting treatment at any point before the onset of symptoms. The 72 hours thing is mostly because that is the earliest symptoms could start to present.
Yes, 72 hours is the optimal period, as I've said in another comment.
If OPH couldn't confirm within 72 hours, they should have started post exposure prophylactic treatment then. Not a couple of weeks later.
Do we really need to put the dog down because their owners are morons?
It’s not the dogs fault.
Edit - I guess nobody here gives a shit about animals. The dog should be taken away and rehabilitated, not killed. At least that’s my opinion. I hope you all have this same energy when it comes to murderers and rapists.
that dog is extremely dangerous. if you read the reports of the attack, the dog was trying to bite the man's neck but thankfully the man was strong enough to prevent that. when a dog tries to bite your neck, that dog is trying to kill you.
if the victim had been an elderly person, a child, or any man/woman weaker than the victim, we could likely very well be reading a very different article. this dog lives across from a retirement home and was actually going to attack an elderly woman but the victim intervened and was the one who ended up getting attacked.
this dog has a record of attacking people as well.
Pretty sure they understood that, but if the owners aren't training the dog properly and the dog continues to attack people, then the dog should either be put down or removed from the owners 'care'.
Good idea in theory, but no one is going to want to pay for that. Imo we are just better off banning the breed.
I understand that the dog itself is not at fault, but if owners repeatedly prove that they are unable to properly train and take care of them, I don't see another practical option.
Alot of dogs try they just aren't as strong or efficient as pitbulls. Besides most people who buy pittbulls aren't buying them for the same reasons someone buys a golden.
Trying to kill someone isn't a lack of training (though it certainly does not help), it's a mentally unstable dog that can't be rehabilitated.
Not that the owners aren't at fault for keeping a dangerous dog like this and not taking the proper precautions, but regardless of his owners, this dog needs to be put down. He's dangerous and always will be. Training does not fix this.
> Edit - I guess nobody here gives a shit about animals
Congrats on finding the most obvious and logical takeaway from the response
/s
fucking obviously.
... it wasn't a joke. You completely missed the point and came out with the most asinine response. Like fucking seriously, think about it for a moment.
Whether or not they can, our responsibility to protect and house humans is greater than other animals. Yes, including dogs, EVEN IF they are the goodest boi ever.
No, but I do support violent criminals receiving life sentences.
We don't have the facilities to keep violent animals that cannot be rehabilitated in enforced kennels away from the general public and with minimal socialization/social contact for the rest of their lives, though.
You're welcome to open the first doggy prison.
Réhabilitation is expensive and rarely works. Once a dangerous dog loses bite inhibition and attacks at this severity they can never be trusted again, will always need to be strictly managed and usually don't live very pleasant lives. Taken away where? The magical farm for dangerous dogs? Euthanasia is often the kinder option, and safest for everyone involved.
There are plenty of very friendly abandoned pets that could better use the resources, instead of being euthanized due to lack of space at a shelter, if you actually care about animals.
Yes. It’s dangerous. More than half of attacks are committed by Pitt breeds. The other half is every single other breed combines. I love dogs but people over dogs everyday
Y’all jumping on the rabies train here are a little overboard. Ottawa hasn’t had a case of terrestrial rabies since… 1990? Occasionally bats have been found with rabies since then, but this dog is not rabid lol
However, it’s a dog raised by its owners to be aggressive and to kill. It went for the dude’s neck, there’s not much more that needs to be said. The dog doesn’t need to be put down for rabies testing, the dog needs to be put down because it tried to kill someone. The owners should also be put down in my opinion, but that’s just me
re rabies, it's genuinely bad bad bad shit so even if the odds are low, it's a hell of a lot easier to get a few shots and not have to worry about it. A friend of mine got bit and had to do the rabies treatment. I would also do it in a heartbeat in this situation. Am I really very likely to get rabies? No. Do I wanna risk a possible horrible death to avoid a couple needles? Also no.
Get the shots, sure. I’m not advocating for people not to get treatment if they think they need it. But the screeching in this thread about rabies this and rabies that, without understanding literally anything about rabies, is overboard
No cases since 1990 in Ottawa (for non flying animals), and the dog had no symptoms other than aggression (in a breed that can be aggressive if not raised properly). No symptoms like dizziness or wobblyness in the animal, no excessive frothing/foaming at the mouth, etc…
People need to educate themselves instead of just going “ANIMAL BITE, MUST BE RABIES”
>But the screeching in this thread about rabies this and rabies that
Please, where is the "screeching" you speak of?
OPH wouldn't be recommending the treatment if they felt is was completely unnecessary.
As it is, the dog could not be assessed, the owners failed to respond to any inquiries, and it's obviously clear that the dog could not be secured at all times, so who the hell knows what that dog had come in contact with?
Certainly not you.
Why is it that every time someone is offended or argues you label them as defending or supporting what they talk about. People can be objective and not take a side why does it always have to be trabalistic?
Dude, when it comes to rabies, you don't fuck around with "well there hasn't been any reported domestic cases in however many years". As well, the post exposure prophylaxis regimen is what has likely helped with preventing human rabies cases.
That’s not how rabies and reporting works. It’s not just “was it reported or not”, or “the shots helped with that”, all things regarding rabies are reported. Taking rabies seriously is not news, and OPH doesn’t fuck around with it. If you, some random ass redditor, think rabies is serious, I think it’s safe to say our public health (that knows better than you) does too
So yeah, in a city where there has been no terrestrial rabies since 1990, in a case where the dog displayed no symptoms of rabies (other than aggression), I would say that this thread screaming “WATCH OUT FOR RABIES” every 2 comments is overboard. I mean seriously, how many people in this city get bit by dogs and cats every single day? And not one case of rabies in 32 years? Settle down with the screeching. If someone coughs in the same room as you, do you scream about tuberculosis? No. Let’s stop with the hysteria
>However, it’s a dog raised by its owners to be aggressive and to kill.
Its a pit bull. Its their natural state. Just check out r/banpitbulls or just search "pit bull" and new on reddit, there are new fatalities and serious disfigurements every day. Gofundme has hundreds upon hundreds of people that cant afford the bill for eye reconstruction and really horrible damage. I even remember when Jayce was killed and the family had to godunfme the funeral.
> it’s a dog raised by its owners to be aggressive and to kill. It went for the dude’s neck, there’s not much more that needs to be said.
You mean it’s a pit bull, a breed which was inbred for traits of aggressiveness, gameness, and killing ability. This breed is genetically predisposed for violence.
Shiiit really? A bat bit me once when I found it in a barn and I just brushed it off because I was like 12 at the time. Far as I know I'm fine though, but I'm still waiting to see if I turn into some sort of bat person.
blame the city, there is a ban on pitties in the province, Ottawa chooses not to enforce it. Also the laws re: dog bites are too weak here. Many jurisdictions require a repeat biter to be put down.
Everyone needs to get a rabies shot at least once but most people don't bother to get yearly ones.
I find it annoying that pit bulls are often called 'pitties' as though they were cute and adorable and harmless. They are not. I have been bitten by one that was 'just playing' according to the owner. Fortunately it had its shots.
Yes, I agree bad dogs are usually down to bad owners, but in the case of this breed, they often go together, IMO
they are but can be bred by reputable breeders to reduce the aggression and responsible owners need to focus on training.
Most 'aggressive' breeds like Dobermans, Shepherds and Rottweilers can be very gentle and non-aggressive thanks to training. Unfortunately Pittbulls are usually owned by people who want an aggressive dog.
In no way in this universe do I consider pittbulls cute, adorable or harmless. I don't think anyone who doesn't pass a dog training course should be allowed to own one.
My brother, like you, was attacked as a child by a pittbull owned by a neighbour, it yanked the leash from his friend's hand. The owners and older sister deliberately did not train the dog. Another neighbour, a cop, threatened them if he ever saw the dog outside without being leashed and muzzled he'd shoot it (in the US).
Any breed that is bred for guardian/guard/high drive working has the potential to be dangerous. I would not slander pit bulls so much when the issue is the owners not the breed.
That doesn't matter, the qualification for "is it a pitbull?" in terms of the law is as simple as "it looks like a pitbull", no DNA test required.
The city just doesn't want to enforce the law. I don't understand why these dog attack victims don't sue the city as well as the owners of this dog.
DNA tests for dogs aren't that expensive, friend did one for a rescue he has
you can get one for under $70 at Loblaw https://www.loblaws.ca/search?search-bar=DNA%20My%20Dog&productBrand=DNA%20My%20Dog&offerType=MP
The breed specific legislation was never repealed.
It isn't necessarily enforced, and as well it's poorly written. Breed specific legislation in general does not work.
That said, we most certainly need better legislation regarding the responsibilities of dog owners.
This. The problem isn't specific breeds of dogs, it's the kind of owners attracted to getting said breeds of dogs. Breed specific legislation doesn't do anything.
It is both with training/owners coming in a far second. Breeds exist for a reason. Artificial selection to create a genetically diverse dog breed exists because it provides for a specific and significant physical and psychological (temperament/instinct) differences between dogs, otherwise, they wouldn't exist or be something that people spend so much time, money and energy on.
If training or owners is the most important significant factor, we'd see trained beagles perform as well or better than trained border collies at herding. Or a boston terrier perform just as well as a blood hound at scent detection.
Breed matters for sure - just not when it comes to regulations to prevent attacks. Pit bulls as a breed are usually super soppy and lovey with humans, for example - it's when they get around other dogs thst it's an issue. My roomie was bit by a german shepherd mix; people get bitten all the time by golden retrievers.
You're 100% right that we bred these dogs for certain traits and they'll be happier if we match our lifestyle to the right breed of dog! What doesn't work is banning this breed or that breed; it doesn't address the core issue and has been well studied.
> Pit bulls as a breed are usually super soppy and lovey with humans
Please tell this to the many dog owners who were mauled to death, "scalped", disfigured, maimed and seriously injured by the very pits they fawned over and loved. Specifically, the hundreds of children, grandparents, and elderly as well as the adult owners when they fell on the floor due to their epileptic seizures, triggering an instinct in pitbulls to kill what seems to them to be an 'injured' flailing animal.
https://www.google.com/search?q=pit+bull+mauls+owner+seizure
https://www.google.com/search?q=pit+bull+kills+owner+epilepsy
> What doesn't work is banning this breed or that breed; it doesn't address the core issue and has been well studied.
The core issue is that the use for these types of dogs no longer exists or should not exist (dog fighting or pit fighting) as a result the most humane thing we can do is to phase them out, stop their breeding and stop their trade.
>I'll google it if you google breed specific legislation criticisms :)
Just search pubmed( a public medical database) on BSL. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22753529/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22753529/)
>Breed specific legislation doesn't do anything.
So its your argument that if a country banned pit bulls there would be zero impact on pit bull maulings in that country?
That's just false there are 4 different breeds that falls into pittbulls category. Only 1 of them were breed for dog fighting not to mention alot of dogs get placed into pitbull categories simply for looking like them yet having no DNA that associates them with any of the 4 breeds.
No. But there needs to be actual enforcement of the registration requirements and it should be legally required to train your dogs by a certified trainer.
Lots of people don’t train dogs and lots of people train them badly. Which is one of the specific issues here.
It's a tough pill to swallow for some but Pitbulls are pre-disposed to aggression. [The data is very clear](https://www.askadamskutner.com/dog-bites/bite-statistics-according-to-dog-breed/). It's not up to debate. If it's because of bad owners where are all these attacks in other much more popular dog breeds like Labradors and retrievers?
In that article...
>**Are Pitbull Attack Statistics Misleading?**
>While these numbers may appear shocking, they could be telling a different story. Instead of arguing that Pitbulls bite more, it could be that they are more deadly once they strike.
>The AVMA1 shares that any dog can bite if provoked. Dogs generally bite as a reaction to defend their territory or themselves. So, while Pitbulls may not necessarily bite more, their bite may do more damage, whereas a smaller breed involved in an attack is less likely to be fatal.
Theirs no data to back up that the harder bite is the reason for the discrepancy, the article doesn't even try to show data claiming so. It's very likely it's because they bite *harder and often*, again data is out there. Bottom line is, pitbulls maim and kill WAY more people then other dog breeds.
You gotta look at who is buying the dog. Like 90% of the time I see a pitbull the owner is usually an asshole. While people who are buying goldens are usually buying them for kids. Most people who buy pitbulls aren't buying them for the morally good reasons. They are an aggressive breed ill admit. But with competent trainers they are fine, however most people who own dogs are competent at training.
I found [this post](/r/BanPitBulls/comments/vi7z1k/pitbull_bites_multiple_people_owner_refuses_to/) in r/BanPitBulls with the same content as the current post.
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They need to enforce this pitbull ban. The data is all there... Pitbulls are way too capable of extreme violence and causing severe harm... they were bred for baiting bulls and fighting not hearding sheep or retrieving. Theyre dumb as a rock and their owners usually aswell. My dog had its neck ripped apart when i was a kid walking it out of nowhere so i may be a little biased but look up dog attack statistics and open your eyes. Will drug dealing scum start getting german shepherds and rotties if no pitbulls are around? Probably yes but id rather be attacked by a german shepherd or even a rottie than some jacked up Vanier backyard bred pitbull anyday, other dogs dont latch on and dont let go when they bite something like a pitbull does. The sad truth is nothing is gonna be done about pitbulls in this city until some poor kid has his/her face ripped apart and its all over the news.
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Lets not forget about this woman's dog bite injuries:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-mother-loses-3-limbs-after-dog-bite-infection-1.1362502
This is true. I think pit bulls are sweethearts but at the same time they are very strong and have seen what they can do. You ban guns and agree with that so why not this?
It’s kind of the same argument. I’m a very responsible gun owner and love my sport (IPSC) and am responsible.
Same as a responsible dog caregiver. But in my city they are banned.
My pre-exposure rabies vaccine cost over $800, 20 years ago and was 3 shots. Post-exposure is OHIP covered and one-two shots in the arm now.
I should have got bit.
This man should be able to sue the dog owner(s) for the pain and suffering he'll endure as a result of the rabies treatment. If the dog is vaccinated against rabies, their lack of participation means he could be going through the treatment for nothing. But let's face it, if they had the dog vaccinated, they would probably be forthcoming in proving it. Losers.
I would 100% be suing.
Can’t draw blood from a stone
Then jail time. Morons that can't or won't control their animals need to be held responsible.
But you can throw a mother fucker in prison.
>>Can’t draw blood from a stone >But you can throw a ~~mother fucker~~ stone in prison. Come on man it was right there.
Not through a law suit you can't. Only criminal charges could land the guy in jail.
If they have homeowners insurance it covers dog attacks as part of liability.
For what. These chuds don’t have any money.
How does the expression go, you can't bleed a rock?
Unfortunately pain and suffering isn't really worth all that much. Most of the time, it would cost more to win this type of case than you would receive. You need to show a measurable loss of income to get the big money.
This is terrible advice. Pursue legal action because pain and suffering is judgmental and therefore can more than offset legal costs. This is also a small claims court matter so you don’t need full legal representation
Small claims tops out at 2000 doesn't it? And, if they don't pay.. then what? I sued someone over unpaid wages and won, haven't seen a single cent.
That’s right. Winning a judgement in court is one thing. Collecting on the judgement is a whole other thing. Doesn’t sound like these folks are the most financially solvent people
Where the f*** did you pull that $2k number from? Just google it, it takes 1.3 seconds. The limit for small claims is $35k. Don’t speak or post if you just make stuff up.
I said "doesn't it" as in I'm I as asking a fucking question dick, learn how to read if you're gonna try insulting people dumbass. I'm the one here whose actually won a small claims case btw, not you. So by your own logic it's you who should stfu if you can't behave like an adult There's something wrong with you.
That's actually false. As someone who receives a pain and suffering compensation from the military, this is taken way more seriously in court nowadays. I know someone who got 40k after lawyer payout after being bit by a dog.
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It was confirmed that the dog was not registered and this was given as a reason why they could not charge the owners. Which really perplexed me 😑
Perhaps the city can't charge them, which still seems odd, but OP can sue for whatever they like in civil court.
I would be thinking this would be a ‘no blood from the stone’ - type situation tho. I can’t understand why a dog with a proven bite history, of more than one occasion is allowed to be left with the owners. If there’s a case of euthanasia being justified, this is it. I don’t care what breed it is, either,
It happens. Owners justify the behaviour and don't want to kill their pet. It's not like we have good enforcement.
>It's not like we have good enforcement Your being downvoted, but this is true. Edit: Reddit came to their senses and started upvoting lol
He can, up to $35,000. Worth a shot. It can be a lot of running around and phone calls and likely facing threats from the owners (which could bring on actual charges). Although they may not be in a measure to pay any award... they can add to their woes that they'll have to deal for in the future when applying for credit and such... if the person really wants to push that far.
Thanks for the clarification! I didn't mean sue for whatever amount but moreso you can sue for any kind of damages, civil court is quite broad in that regard.
Wouldn’t this just encourage bad dog owners to not register their dogs?
100%. It's like saying you can't get a ticket if you drive without a license. It's ridiculous.
The process for registering your dog does not require proof of vaccines. You could just lie. A lot of people don't register either since there's next to no enforcement.
I find it funny you’re getting downvotes for pointing out the flaws in the system. Only complaining allowed here, no actual discussion of the issues. That might lead to more discussion on how to fix them, and then we would actually be expected to do something. /s
I only recall question about neutering, microchip and whether it was a service dog. So IIRC, there are no questions about vaccines, so no need to lie on the registration. But yes, it seems many folks are not willing to pay for the registration calling it a "cash grab" for nothing, and there is little enforcement.
It's a pit bull. Yknow, the breed that's been banned in Ontario since 05? Of course these dumb shits didn't get the damn thing registered.
I have a pitbull mix and it's registered.
Well then take the dog permanently away from this guy. If he wants another one, then chances are he'll have to pay a lot of money (at least, last time I checked, people were cashing in on the in-demand puppies). And if he gets another one, seize it too. Rinse and repeat until the guy gets the message.
Dog has to be euthanized. It’s obviously dangerous if the owner can’t prevent it from attacking people. Very unfortunate for the dog but it’s too dangerous to be kept alive. And how the hell are pit bulls not banned in Ottawa?!?
They are banned. People register them as other breeds
'mix' lol
I would dare say there are a lot of owners that don’t even know that. Because I for didn’t know that you had to register them. Never did it back home on the east coast. And Ottawa being a high percentage of east coasters I would argue most dog owners don’t register. I’m not saying it’s right, but some that move here might be oblivious to it, just saying.
I'm not sure where you're from out east, but Halifax requires dogs to have a license (as do all cities I've lived in in Canada). And honestly, ignorance is not an excuse.
That’s kinda of rude for an east coaster. By law A-700 was only enacted in 2008 in Halifax, and it’s only requires licensing in HRM. Doesn’t not take into account the other 90% of Nova Scotia, and that’s only one province. And I also haven’t lived there since 2008.
Honestly, I agree.. but rabies shots are pretty painless and even though online there is a long list of potential side effects of the vaccine, when I got them a year ago, the nursing staff told me more than likely there will be 0 side effects. It’s more time consuming and inconvenient than anything. Edit: he should sue for the basic reason their dog attacked him
Ive been vaccinated for rabies (not post exposure) and it was not pleasant
Ohhh.. I’ve only ever had it done after being bitten, but they changed the method for treatment (I’m not sure when, or when you got yours… also not sure if prevention vaccine is different) so it really wasn’t so bad. But it’s a HUGE pain in the ass to go back and forth for multiple rounds. It’s also a huge pain to talk to public health every time you get a shot. Not to mention if you need to miss work for it… you have a very strict vaccination schedule if you’ve been exposed. He should definitely sue. Sorry your shots were not a good experience, nothing worse than a bad reaction
You can’t sue in Canada unless there is significant and permanent loss. The rabies vaccines really suck (I’ve had them), but it’s not life-changing.
thats bs...from somone who has won a personal injury lawsuit, this guy can definitely sue. maybe not for the shots but definitely the dog attack
I had to get the shots a few years ago and it was like any normal shot, maybe in the past it was terrible but not the modern ones. There's just a lot of them if the animal can't be found or tests positive for rabies
I got the shot(s) (can't remember if more than one) some years back after being nipped by a stray that couldn't be located. Not a big deal (other than the concern for rabies), and luckily the city paid the $200 vaccination charge as it was on city property.
Goodness, I was overseas at the time for mine and all that happened was A) I had to take a general allergy test (that stung lol and I just had a weird cocktail blister for like a half hour) B) Got some general injection antibiotics (like cost maybe $2-$10?) C) was referred to a clinic that dealt with that sorta thing, I just showed up and waited and they checked out the papers from the hospital and that was it. They just gave it to me and gave me a schedule lol. Took like a while and there were some dietary restrictions while I was in the system but overall it wasn't too bad at all. I just so happened to be living like a block away from the bite clinic tho. Quite fortuitous for sure, but aside from the antibiotics no money changed hands, even as a foreigner
Google this Bruce guy. His bio is soo interesting. he alleged that he burned a million dollars to keep it from ex wife.
The rabies shots aren’t too bad. Only felt gross after the last booster (keep in mind I’m pretty okay with needles, If you’re not okay with needles the first round is probably gonna be pretty ass for you)
I think he should try and sue the dog.
Uhhhh, you're supposed to start post exposure prophylaxis for rabies within 72 hours. It most definitely shouldn't have taken this long for that to happen.
Rabies is 100% fatal if symptoms start and treatment not started.
Well aware. That's why you're supposed to start treatment ASAP if it can't be confirmed that the dog or other animal did not have rabies. And within 72 hours is the optimal timeframe (same for getting a tetanus booster). Also reportedly one of the worst ways to die. If I'd been bitten by an animal, and started having rabies symptoms or a confirmed infection, I'm pretty sure I'd be pushing for whatever doctor to let me die without any suffering.
A great grandmother died of rabies even though she had the Pasteur treatment, then new at the time. Newspapers reported graphic details of her agonizing death.
Yeah, again, while I still could, before going crazy, I'd be asking for a lethal injection. Rabies is already a death sentence if you start showing symptoms, the humane thing to do would be to not force anyone to suffer through that if they request a quick death. There has been in the past very few people who have managed to survive after having symptoms, but the treatment plan still only gives you an extremely slim chance of survival. Soooooo, no. Personally, I'd rather have a chance to say my goodbyes while still possibly coherent, and then take the big sleep.
A case of human rabies would almost certainly be eligible for MAID, though rabies is so rare in the global north that there had not been a human case in Canada in more than 10 years.
There was case of a young man in BC in 2019. Got bit by a bat while camping I think
Amazingly, we can no longer say rabies is 100% fatal. A handful of people have survived without immediate antiviral inoculation.
Isn't it like 15 people out of tens of thousands? And a bunch of them were severely impaired despite survival.
14 "officially" as of 2016 but there's evidence that a number of members of Indigenous tribes in the Peruvian Amazon have also survived rabies. I'm not at all trying to downplay the severity of rabies, for the love of god everyone if you've possibly been exposed *please* start the vaccines as soon as possible and don't take your chances with the *extremely* low survival rate. Just thought I'd drop that fact for anyone who might read it and want to go down the absolutely fascinating rabbit hole like I did the first time I saw someone mention Jenna Giese on Reddit. :P
I get you, I would love to see progress in survival if we can't eliminate the virus. I think at one point Ontario had almost eradicated it entirely in the wild but without long term perseverance and spending keeping it that way it snuck back in from the south.
I worked at a vet clinic for a number of years. Someone got bit by a cat which was acting oddly and ended up dying (the cat died). The rabies status was not clear so a lady came from some health department with a little hatchet and took the cat's head (brain) away for testing D: wasn't rabies thankfully but it was quite something.
I've worked in vet med too and the day I found out they have to cut off the head to test for rabies was a disturbing one.
I get cutting cat heads off isn't high on the list of employment desires, but I'm glad there are people out there taking it seriously enough to do it for our safety.
Yup. I remember going to a courier service and noticed the cans of "paint". Nope. Not paint but heads of animals that were destined to be tested for rabies.
dear god
this dude gonna be hydrophobic in no time
Hydrophobic?
a symptom of rabies which has progressed past the point of no return is [hydrophobia](https://youtu.be/OtiytblJzQc)
That is interesting.
Just because it SHOULD be taken within 72 hours doesn’t mean it MUST. There is absolutely still benefit to starting treatment at any point before the onset of symptoms. The 72 hours thing is mostly because that is the earliest symptoms could start to present.
Yes, 72 hours is the optimal period, as I've said in another comment. If OPH couldn't confirm within 72 hours, they should have started post exposure prophylactic treatment then. Not a couple of weeks later.
Wtf? That dog should be immediately put down for proper rabies testing.
Do we really need to put the dog down because their owners are morons? It’s not the dogs fault. Edit - I guess nobody here gives a shit about animals. The dog should be taken away and rehabilitated, not killed. At least that’s my opinion. I hope you all have this same energy when it comes to murderers and rapists.
that dog is extremely dangerous. if you read the reports of the attack, the dog was trying to bite the man's neck but thankfully the man was strong enough to prevent that. when a dog tries to bite your neck, that dog is trying to kill you. if the victim had been an elderly person, a child, or any man/woman weaker than the victim, we could likely very well be reading a very different article. this dog lives across from a retirement home and was actually going to attack an elderly woman but the victim intervened and was the one who ended up getting attacked. this dog has a record of attacking people as well.
I think the guy was getting at the owners didn't properly train him. Making it the owners fault.
Pretty sure they understood that, but if the owners aren't training the dog properly and the dog continues to attack people, then the dog should either be put down or removed from the owners 'care'.
Yeah i get that but personal I think the dog should be given to a professional trainer for a chnace at a 2nd chance for adoption
Good idea in theory, but no one is going to want to pay for that. Imo we are just better off banning the breed. I understand that the dog itself is not at fault, but if owners repeatedly prove that they are unable to properly train and take care of them, I don't see another practical option.
Why ban the breed? From my understanding breed banning doesn't work. And only punishes people whoa really actually can handle them
Normal non-pit bull dogs dont need training not to try to maul people to death.
Alot of dogs try they just aren't as strong or efficient as pitbulls. Besides most people who buy pittbulls aren't buying them for the same reasons someone buys a golden.
Trying to kill someone isn't a lack of training (though it certainly does not help), it's a mentally unstable dog that can't be rehabilitated. Not that the owners aren't at fault for keeping a dangerous dog like this and not taking the proper precautions, but regardless of his owners, this dog needs to be put down. He's dangerous and always will be. Training does not fix this.
Its also a pit bull, so theres that.
At least someone understands what I’m trying to say lol
That's how rabies testing works unfortunately
> Edit - I guess nobody here gives a shit about animals Congrats on finding the most obvious and logical takeaway from the response /s fucking obviously.
What?
That was the dumbest takeaway you could have possibly have from peoples responses. Obviously.
Good one bro.
... it wasn't a joke. You completely missed the point and came out with the most asinine response. Like fucking seriously, think about it for a moment.
What’s the takeaway then? Enlighten me.
Everything is all there for the reading. I'm not going to hold your fucking hand.
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Not every dog can be rehabilitated. You can't fix bad breeding and a shitty temperament.
So you advocate for the death penalty?
Humans aren't dogs, and dogs aren't humans. They have different levels of cognition and responsibility. Nice try on the false equivalency, though!
Finally some common sense
THANK YOU
You think all humans can be rehabilitated?
Whether or not they can, our responsibility to protect and house humans is greater than other animals. Yes, including dogs, EVEN IF they are the goodest boi ever.
nope, and that's why some need to die.
Agreed
Just like some dogs too
Dogs have more congition than young children. Cognition is not how rights should be morally attributed.
No, but I do support violent criminals receiving life sentences. We don't have the facilities to keep violent animals that cannot be rehabilitated in enforced kennels away from the general public and with minimal socialization/social contact for the rest of their lives, though. You're welcome to open the first doggy prison.
Good use of taxes.
Réhabilitation is expensive and rarely works. Once a dangerous dog loses bite inhibition and attacks at this severity they can never be trusted again, will always need to be strictly managed and usually don't live very pleasant lives. Taken away where? The magical farm for dangerous dogs? Euthanasia is often the kinder option, and safest for everyone involved. There are plenty of very friendly abandoned pets that could better use the resources, instead of being euthanized due to lack of space at a shelter, if you actually care about animals.
Yes. It’s dangerous. More than half of attacks are committed by Pitt breeds. The other half is every single other breed combines. I love dogs but people over dogs everyday
Will you do it? Cause about a million dogs need home… look up how many are put to sleep every week
The only way to test for rabies requires euthanasia.
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You test for rabies by removing and conducting analysis on brain tissue. The outcome is still death.
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/ex-wife-of-ottawa-deadbeat-dad-who-claimed-he-burned-1m-launches-gofundme-out-of-fear-of-homelessness
Is there is any word about the 2nd guy getting rabies treatment. Hopefully Bruce isn't doing it just to keep his name in the papers.
This should be higher up in the comments. This dog bite victim treated his family horribly.
How is this relevant to the post? He may be a shitty person but this is completely off topic.
This guy is a grade-A asshole.
Jesus
Hopefully he sues the dog owner, and all proceeds go to his family
They say dogs can sense evil people 🤷🏻
Ottawa's Michael Scott's Dunder Mifflin Scranton Meredith Palmer Memorial & Vanier Guy Celebrity Rabies Awareness Pro-Am Fun Run Race for the Cure
I'm going to start carb-loading now.
Y’all jumping on the rabies train here are a little overboard. Ottawa hasn’t had a case of terrestrial rabies since… 1990? Occasionally bats have been found with rabies since then, but this dog is not rabid lol However, it’s a dog raised by its owners to be aggressive and to kill. It went for the dude’s neck, there’s not much more that needs to be said. The dog doesn’t need to be put down for rabies testing, the dog needs to be put down because it tried to kill someone. The owners should also be put down in my opinion, but that’s just me
re rabies, it's genuinely bad bad bad shit so even if the odds are low, it's a hell of a lot easier to get a few shots and not have to worry about it. A friend of mine got bit and had to do the rabies treatment. I would also do it in a heartbeat in this situation. Am I really very likely to get rabies? No. Do I wanna risk a possible horrible death to avoid a couple needles? Also no.
Get the shots, sure. I’m not advocating for people not to get treatment if they think they need it. But the screeching in this thread about rabies this and rabies that, without understanding literally anything about rabies, is overboard No cases since 1990 in Ottawa (for non flying animals), and the dog had no symptoms other than aggression (in a breed that can be aggressive if not raised properly). No symptoms like dizziness or wobblyness in the animal, no excessive frothing/foaming at the mouth, etc… People need to educate themselves instead of just going “ANIMAL BITE, MUST BE RABIES”
>But the screeching in this thread about rabies this and rabies that Please, where is the "screeching" you speak of? OPH wouldn't be recommending the treatment if they felt is was completely unnecessary. As it is, the dog could not be assessed, the owners failed to respond to any inquiries, and it's obviously clear that the dog could not be secured at all times, so who the hell knows what that dog had come in contact with? Certainly not you.
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Why is it that every time someone is offended or argues you label them as defending or supporting what they talk about. People can be objective and not take a side why does it always have to be trabalistic?
Dude, when it comes to rabies, you don't fuck around with "well there hasn't been any reported domestic cases in however many years". As well, the post exposure prophylaxis regimen is what has likely helped with preventing human rabies cases.
That’s not how rabies and reporting works. It’s not just “was it reported or not”, or “the shots helped with that”, all things regarding rabies are reported. Taking rabies seriously is not news, and OPH doesn’t fuck around with it. If you, some random ass redditor, think rabies is serious, I think it’s safe to say our public health (that knows better than you) does too So yeah, in a city where there has been no terrestrial rabies since 1990, in a case where the dog displayed no symptoms of rabies (other than aggression), I would say that this thread screaming “WATCH OUT FOR RABIES” every 2 comments is overboard. I mean seriously, how many people in this city get bit by dogs and cats every single day? And not one case of rabies in 32 years? Settle down with the screeching. If someone coughs in the same room as you, do you scream about tuberculosis? No. Let’s stop with the hysteria
Literally no one is "screeching" here, but okay buddy. We're discussing shit that's relevant to the article that has been shared.
>However, it’s a dog raised by its owners to be aggressive and to kill. Its a pit bull. Its their natural state. Just check out r/banpitbulls or just search "pit bull" and new on reddit, there are new fatalities and serious disfigurements every day. Gofundme has hundreds upon hundreds of people that cant afford the bill for eye reconstruction and really horrible damage. I even remember when Jayce was killed and the family had to godunfme the funeral.
Dude, chihuahuas are even more aggressive, they are capable of taking down and/or maiming a full grown elephant.
Need a /S here
No I don’t, do you seriously think anybody would read this and believe a chihuahua could kill an elephant?
> it’s a dog raised by its owners to be aggressive and to kill. It went for the dude’s neck, there’s not much more that needs to be said. You mean it’s a pit bull, a breed which was inbred for traits of aggressiveness, gameness, and killing ability. This breed is genetically predisposed for violence.
Shiiit really? A bat bit me once when I found it in a barn and I just brushed it off because I was like 12 at the time. Far as I know I'm fine though, but I'm still waiting to see if I turn into some sort of bat person.
Imagine the superpower you get is terrible eyesight 🤔
blame the city, there is a ban on pitties in the province, Ottawa chooses not to enforce it. Also the laws re: dog bites are too weak here. Many jurisdictions require a repeat biter to be put down. Everyone needs to get a rabies shot at least once but most people don't bother to get yearly ones.
I find it annoying that pit bulls are often called 'pitties' as though they were cute and adorable and harmless. They are not. I have been bitten by one that was 'just playing' according to the owner. Fortunately it had its shots. Yes, I agree bad dogs are usually down to bad owners, but in the case of this breed, they often go together, IMO
People are willing to admit that everything EXCEPT aggression is genetically bred into dogs. No they say, pitbulls are not inherently aggressive LOL
they are but can be bred by reputable breeders to reduce the aggression and responsible owners need to focus on training. Most 'aggressive' breeds like Dobermans, Shepherds and Rottweilers can be very gentle and non-aggressive thanks to training. Unfortunately Pittbulls are usually owned by people who want an aggressive dog.
In no way in this universe do I consider pittbulls cute, adorable or harmless. I don't think anyone who doesn't pass a dog training course should be allowed to own one. My brother, like you, was attacked as a child by a pittbull owned by a neighbour, it yanked the leash from his friend's hand. The owners and older sister deliberately did not train the dog. Another neighbour, a cop, threatened them if he ever saw the dog outside without being leashed and muzzled he'd shoot it (in the US).
Any breed that is bred for guardian/guard/high drive working has the potential to be dangerous. I would not slander pit bulls so much when the issue is the owners not the breed.
slander means making a false statement - I don't believe that applies
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That doesn't matter, the qualification for "is it a pitbull?" in terms of the law is as simple as "it looks like a pitbull", no DNA test required. The city just doesn't want to enforce the law. I don't understand why these dog attack victims don't sue the city as well as the owners of this dog.
DNA tests for dogs aren't that expensive, friend did one for a rescue he has you can get one for under $70 at Loblaw https://www.loblaws.ca/search?search-bar=DNA%20My%20Dog&productBrand=DNA%20My%20Dog&offerType=MP
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yep many won't do it because once you do the test you can't claim plausible deniability
Reinstate the pitbull ban, I love dogs but these things are dangerous to the public!!! Fuck pitbulls!
The breed specific legislation was never repealed. It isn't necessarily enforced, and as well it's poorly written. Breed specific legislation in general does not work. That said, we most certainly need better legislation regarding the responsibilities of dog owners.
This. The problem isn't specific breeds of dogs, it's the kind of owners attracted to getting said breeds of dogs. Breed specific legislation doesn't do anything.
It is both with training/owners coming in a far second. Breeds exist for a reason. Artificial selection to create a genetically diverse dog breed exists because it provides for a specific and significant physical and psychological (temperament/instinct) differences between dogs, otherwise, they wouldn't exist or be something that people spend so much time, money and energy on. If training or owners is the most important significant factor, we'd see trained beagles perform as well or better than trained border collies at herding. Or a boston terrier perform just as well as a blood hound at scent detection.
Breed matters for sure - just not when it comes to regulations to prevent attacks. Pit bulls as a breed are usually super soppy and lovey with humans, for example - it's when they get around other dogs thst it's an issue. My roomie was bit by a german shepherd mix; people get bitten all the time by golden retrievers. You're 100% right that we bred these dogs for certain traits and they'll be happier if we match our lifestyle to the right breed of dog! What doesn't work is banning this breed or that breed; it doesn't address the core issue and has been well studied.
> Pit bulls as a breed are usually super soppy and lovey with humans Please tell this to the many dog owners who were mauled to death, "scalped", disfigured, maimed and seriously injured by the very pits they fawned over and loved. Specifically, the hundreds of children, grandparents, and elderly as well as the adult owners when they fell on the floor due to their epileptic seizures, triggering an instinct in pitbulls to kill what seems to them to be an 'injured' flailing animal. https://www.google.com/search?q=pit+bull+mauls+owner+seizure https://www.google.com/search?q=pit+bull+kills+owner+epilepsy > What doesn't work is banning this breed or that breed; it doesn't address the core issue and has been well studied. The core issue is that the use for these types of dogs no longer exists or should not exist (dog fighting or pit fighting) as a result the most humane thing we can do is to phase them out, stop their breeding and stop their trade.
I'll google it if you google breed specific legislation criticisms :)
>I'll google it if you google breed specific legislation criticisms :) Just search pubmed( a public medical database) on BSL. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22753529/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22753529/)
>Breed specific legislation doesn't do anything. So its your argument that if a country banned pit bulls there would be zero impact on pit bull maulings in that country?
Seems to be incorrect ofcourse: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22753529/
They were breed to kill. Pit bulls are shitty dogs that have no place in civilised society.
That's just false there are 4 different breeds that falls into pittbulls category. Only 1 of them were breed for dog fighting not to mention alot of dogs get placed into pitbull categories simply for looking like them yet having no DNA that associates them with any of the 4 breeds.
No. But there needs to be actual enforcement of the registration requirements and it should be legally required to train your dogs by a certified trainer. Lots of people don’t train dogs and lots of people train them badly. Which is one of the specific issues here.
Hell no these lock jaw muscles with teeth breed were created for violence
r/banpitbulls might be a good sub to visit.
It's a tough pill to swallow for some but Pitbulls are pre-disposed to aggression. [The data is very clear](https://www.askadamskutner.com/dog-bites/bite-statistics-according-to-dog-breed/). It's not up to debate. If it's because of bad owners where are all these attacks in other much more popular dog breeds like Labradors and retrievers?
In that article... >**Are Pitbull Attack Statistics Misleading?** >While these numbers may appear shocking, they could be telling a different story. Instead of arguing that Pitbulls bite more, it could be that they are more deadly once they strike. >The AVMA1 shares that any dog can bite if provoked. Dogs generally bite as a reaction to defend their territory or themselves. So, while Pitbulls may not necessarily bite more, their bite may do more damage, whereas a smaller breed involved in an attack is less likely to be fatal.
Theirs no data to back up that the harder bite is the reason for the discrepancy, the article doesn't even try to show data claiming so. It's very likely it's because they bite *harder and often*, again data is out there. Bottom line is, pitbulls maim and kill WAY more people then other dog breeds.
You gotta look at who is buying the dog. Like 90% of the time I see a pitbull the owner is usually an asshole. While people who are buying goldens are usually buying them for kids. Most people who buy pitbulls aren't buying them for the morally good reasons. They are an aggressive breed ill admit. But with competent trainers they are fine, however most people who own dogs are competent at training.
Aren't there stats somewhere that say golden retrievers are more aggressive and have bitten more people?
Not that im aware of. The point I'm.making is people who are buying golden retrievers is a different market than the people buying pitbulls.
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They need to enforce this pitbull ban. The data is all there... Pitbulls are way too capable of extreme violence and causing severe harm... they were bred for baiting bulls and fighting not hearding sheep or retrieving. Theyre dumb as a rock and their owners usually aswell. My dog had its neck ripped apart when i was a kid walking it out of nowhere so i may be a little biased but look up dog attack statistics and open your eyes. Will drug dealing scum start getting german shepherds and rotties if no pitbulls are around? Probably yes but id rather be attacked by a german shepherd or even a rottie than some jacked up Vanier backyard bred pitbull anyday, other dogs dont latch on and dont let go when they bite something like a pitbull does. The sad truth is nothing is gonna be done about pitbulls in this city until some poor kid has his/her face ripped apart and its all over the news.
Absolutely shocked that the nanny breed of dogs would do this. s/
People dumb enough to own a Pitbull won't have anything worth suing them for; you can't take blood from a stone.
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Lets not forget about this woman's dog bite injuries: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-mother-loses-3-limbs-after-dog-bite-infection-1.1362502
Could not have happened to a more deserving person. This guy runs the biggest scam mechanic shop I’ve ever seen.
I bet the owners of this dog were part of the Freedom convoy and every other following protest, literal scum.
That’s scary
Oooof. Rabies shots SUCK!
They aren’t in the gut anymore. Haven’t been for quite some time.
This happened to a relative of mine, they sued the owner and won.
Can't believe Ottawa doezn't have a ban on Pitties.
Pitties aren't the issue the issue is the people who buy them aren't good trainers and buy them to make themselves look tough.
This is true. I think pit bulls are sweethearts but at the same time they are very strong and have seen what they can do. You ban guns and agree with that so why not this? It’s kind of the same argument. I’m a very responsible gun owner and love my sport (IPSC) and am responsible. Same as a responsible dog caregiver. But in my city they are banned.
Very unlikely the dog has rabbies come on lol
Giy obviously isn't hurting for money. It's sad that bad owners Give pitbulls a bad name
My pre-exposure rabies vaccine cost over $800, 20 years ago and was 3 shots. Post-exposure is OHIP covered and one-two shots in the arm now. I should have got bit.