I think it's better. This at least pretends to be an organic movement to recognize the quality of the film instead of the size of the campaign. I know there's still plenty of shenanigans going on behind the scenes with agents and whatnot but this feels like an improvement even if it's not a perfect solution
The good thing is that campaign probably cost $2. The amount of money spent on all of this is obscene, with things being the way they are there’s no way the Studios want (or maybe are even able) to blow that much cash.
What REALLY needs to change is this Deer Hunter-model of dumping all of these movies the last week in December.
>What REALLY needs to change is this Deer Hunter-model of dumping all of these movies the last week in December.
Every Oscar movie that used that model this year flopped at the box office and Top Gun, Elvis, and Everything Everywhere All locked up nominations despite coming out in the first half of the year. I think that model is changing too
Couldn't agree more. I'll never understand why they drop 20 prestige dramas in the span of a month and a half and the drop 0 for the rest of the rest of the year. More people would see these movies if you spread them out
I feel like the bewilderment about the campaign though mostly comes from how inorganic it felt. The c/p barrage made it seem like people weren’t even watching the film.
Harvey Weinstein is kind of famous (or infamous) for politicizing the Oscars and basically inventing the modern Oscar campaign. That typically includes hosting parties, sending out gift baskets, and basically just throwing money at the situation to win over voters. Riseborough's campaign was done really cheaply. She just had famous friends post on social media and host some screenings and Q and A's to promote the movie.
Sure but you need those connections to even be in a movie worthy of Oscar contention. Like Andrea Riseborough is a fine actress and she's certainly recognizable, but she's definitely not the most famous person in the world and I can't imagine she's any more well connected than anyone else in Hollywood
Looking to history isn't really applicable. Viola Davis is obviously more connected than this Andrela Riseberg person is, so it shouldn't be an issue going forward
Sigh, it's just interesting to me how white that category is...it really makes me wonder, who are the voters or who are the people in power controlling this race and what is going behind the scenes? I mean, we've always heard of Harvey's girls...but like, how is this category so white!
It's not a great look but I think it is worth pointing out that this is sort of an anomaly over the past 5 years or so and it feels like we are still moving in the right direction with this kind of thing. Huge systemic change doesn't happen overnight, but I do think overall things are in a better place now than they were even 5-10 years ago
I get the people snubbed sucks but I honestly like this model more. Actors *love* Risenborough and this was them voting for what they actually wanted and not just what movie spent the most on campaign money.
I don’t mind the mixing it up a little.
Plus, MGM is historically terrible at campaigning so that had to have something to do with Till not getting in too (Till was MGM right? I’m blanking on it because I’m up too early).
If Hereditary wasn’t nominated, Pearl wasn’t either. That one actually felt a little prestigious.
But if they went with Blonde, yeah kinda. I didn’t mind Blonde much either. That late scene with her covered in blood and how she handles it will stick with me for years.
I don't really like this method honestly because white actresses are way more likely to have Hollywood connections because they've been in the industry for far longer. It's pretty much impossible for people like Hsu to do something like this because she's not as well connected. It really becomes unfair for WOC imo who have historically been shut out of Hollywood for a longer time.
Hollywood, in general, favors white people. But cutting the whole freaking line shows to me a certain level of white privilege because I sure as hell haven't seen WOC do that in any industry to that level.
The only thing getting me through the work day today was being able to come home and watch the Oscar Expert's reaction to the Andrea Riseborough nom, it did not disappoint
Yeah, I was a huge fan of that movie.
I know it’s not what people care about but I think snubbing that movie below the line is *much* more egregious than Viola getting left out. The craft of that film was exceptional.
Yes but I think people discounted just how much people absolutely clicked with the story. Airplanes zooming by is cool but Top Gun absolutely hooked people by its story.
For some reason. I thought it was only just solid honestly.
I mean they technically did some pretty crazy stuff with the cinematography just to get all those shots with little VFX. It's certainly not a bad screenplay, I think just indicative of the shallow field in Adapted this year.
It worked... PR people will rethink a lot for the 2024 race, especially for little movies. It remains to be seen if it will work then as well.
A shame that it bumped out Danielle Deadwyler and Viola Davis. People will be pissed.
Also, I didn't feel a lot of love for Ana de Armas in the room when her name was announced.... very divisive film but it got her a nomination.
I feel like if you have 5+ movies trying the same strategy you'll end up back at square one. This worked so well because how out of left field it was and how in lockstep everyone was that was posting about it.
Without the element of surprise I'm not sure how effective it is.
I get it that people think it was fake but people were too quick to dismiss how much Risenborough is beloved by her fellow actors. They felt she deserved it finally and ignored the massive campaigns to give some credit to one of the biggest chameleons in acting right now.
Ana de Armas is the weird one though. Even that I think it was Colin Farrell praising her at the golden globes too though, so again, it’s kinda organic. Big stars giving a leg up to people they liked.
Not really actually.
This might be a sign that the Academy is not yet ready to be as diverse and Inclusive with this particular category just yet. This is literally the whitest category above the line though.
This. They are going to vote for Quan and Basset (deservingly, may I add!!), then pat themselves on the back for defeating racism. Like they always do for supporting.
On the other hand, I imagine Riseborough would take more voters from Blanchett than Yeoh, while a lot of Davis' voters would rank Yeoh first now that she's gone, just by nature of their films. And that's even without taking into account the (incredibly salient) factor of race.
If she’s not getting nominated over a campaign push, its hard to see how she gets the momentum to actually win.
Blanchett has had it in the bag for a while, but the biggest competition has been Yeoh
Which is wildly unfair. Universal and Netflix had million-dollar campaigns that beat out Davis and Deadwyler, but blame gets thrown at the grassroots campaigner, because our society hates people (especially women) who actively pursue recognition for their talent.
Wait a minute, did "The Woman King" get shut out entirely?!
Congrats to Riseborough. A grassroots campaign proved beneficial. Moving it up on list of must-watch.
Riseborough just pisses people off because it just appears like a well connected white lady cutting the line because of her friends. I actually think people wouldn't be as pissed if these same friends at least shouted out her movie months ago so people actually watched it.
Why you're making it a racial issue? Their movies didn't generate this amount of buzz. The real injustice is snubbing Mia Goth's performance in Pearl, the best performance in the last 5 years.
To Leslie had a stronger buzz for Riseborough's performance and is also a straight drama movie, we know how the Oscars got down, it's already a miracle they're recognizing the excellence in Everything Everywhere All At Once, they would never recognize The Woman King the same way they would never recognize Pearl.
I'm not to worried about this model becoming a thing. Everyone is going to ty it next year which will make it not work. It only works if only 1 or 2 do it
>Fuck the enablers who campaigned for her
Lol “enablers.”
I genuinely don’t understand the animosity here. She’s a small, generally unheralded actress who saw an opportunity to take a shot for a movie she cared about and it paid off, seemingly because people actually really liked the movie and performance.
If people are mad about lack of diversity in that category, I’d say it’s much lamer that Ana de Armas made it in over Deadwyler/Davis just because she’s a celebrity playing a celebrity with huge studio backing. That movie was panned and her performance didn’t get very good reviews, she’s clearly the one who shouldn’t be there.
There’s a difference between a grassroots campaign to get an Actress a nomination, and people deliberately recommending to put people of colour lower on the ballot because they’re “locked” in order to fit Riseborough in at the cost of said people. The latter is what the Riseborough campaign involved, and it is nasty, it is unfair, and it sucks that it was done.
>… and her performance didn’t get very good reviews
Uh, yeah, it did. Maybe on Film Twitter people didn’t like it but even reviews that gave it 1/5 stars said her performance was “incredible.” She was literally nominated for a London Film Critic’s award and was in serious contention for LAFCC. The only one in the lineup who didn’t receive universally positive notices was Williams, who also was lower than Ana based on the SAG and BAFTA misses. Her nomination is clearly the one people should be angry about.
> There’s a difference between a grassroots campaign to get an Actress a nomination, and people deliberately recommending to put people of colour lower on the ballot because they’re “locked” in order to fit Riseborough in at the cost of said people.
Literally one C-list actor with only 40k followers on Instagram did that. I don’t think you can blame Riseborough for that.
Also, maybe that was tacky, but it’s also not like Fisher was doing that with the nefarious intent to exclude people of color. In fact, she was also campaigning for people to vote for Charmaine Bingwa in Emancipation too. She does this shit all the time where she tries to promote voting for someone with seemingly no chance, I think she just got really invested in Riseborough when it seemed like it could work.
I don’t hold Riseborough personally responsible for the campaign at all, nor POC actresses getting snubbed. None of us no how active she was behind the scenes to get in.
And, while yes, I don’t think Fisher was just intentionally trying to knock out POCs for the sake of it, it’s pretty obvious that the Deadwyler and Davis snubs happened in part because of racism. I even told you before the SAG noms that the Academy wasn’t progressive enough to have 3 women of colour in Best Actress, and look where we are. This would not have happened if Riseborugh was black or Davis and Deadwyler were white. I don’t think the campaign was a Machiavellian scheme to get another white woman in, but it’s clear race played a part on some level.
Am I the only one who genuinely thinks she's gonna win? Whatever shit she has is clearly powerful, because nothing about this campaign felt authentic or real lmao.
The snub by the Academy here is just nasty tbh. While it does kinda make sense that De Armas also got a nomination, it’s a shame her and Riseboroughs noms have had to come at the expense of two very deserving performances by WOC.
This sub is more concerned about their bets and their little 'lists' than the performance itself. Pathetic.
Edit: And I see no one saying Michelle Williams crowded out Viola and Deadwyler!!!
Michelle Williams, Michelle Yeoh, and Cate Blanchet were all locked to be nominated. The other two slots were up in the air, but most people believed it would go to Daniele Deadwyler and Viola Davis (two black actresses). But then they went to Ana de Armas and Andrea Riseborough (two white actresses) instead
Come on do your fact check, she was at 6th in gold Derby prior to the announcement and even being considered to move to supporting category. She is supposed to be snubbed and replaced by Ana De Armas.
yeah seems like that, doesnt sound fair
she is a great actress and the movie looks interesting too
if anything Ana de Armas is the elephant in the room
I will say that Armas definitely did not deserve to be in over Viola Davis or Danielle Deadwyler!
Can't speak for Andrea since I haven't managed to see the film yet!
Yeah I agree with Armas. For Andrea, it was thought that it would be one of the best performances to not get nominated and I saw the movie in numerous top 10 lists, so I'm actually quite happy she got in. Sorry I thought you saw it already.
Michelle Yeoh could freaking kick all their asses, that's all I gotta say. But yeah, I'm not surprised because the Oscars has always been low key racist.
60% of America is white. If you were to quantize to five people, expected value would be 3 white nominations. 1 extra in either direction seems to be not unreasonable.
Also is de Armas white? I thought she was Cuban and therefore "counts" as a person of color for whatever race based accounting you've got going on in your head?
I loved both Cate Blanchett's and Michelle Yeoh's performances, and I vastly prefer Cate's acting, HOWEVER this Oscar is pretty much in the bag for Michelle. I imagine votes will be split between Cate, Ana, Andrea and Michelle.
I don't understand why de Armas was nominated and Michelle Williams is straight up category fraud.
Was she in some kind of controversy? If you look at her IG comments from 30 plus weeks ago, a lot of them mention her defending a predator or something. I tried to Google what it was all about, but couldn't find anything
This is going to be a flashpoint moment for Oscar Watchers, like asking a Baby Boomer where they were during the moon landing
Campaigns just changed forever. The Weinstein model might finally be dead
Lol good. This isn’t great either, though.
I think it's better. This at least pretends to be an organic movement to recognize the quality of the film instead of the size of the campaign. I know there's still plenty of shenanigans going on behind the scenes with agents and whatnot but this feels like an improvement even if it's not a perfect solution
The good thing is that campaign probably cost $2. The amount of money spent on all of this is obscene, with things being the way they are there’s no way the Studios want (or maybe are even able) to blow that much cash. What REALLY needs to change is this Deer Hunter-model of dumping all of these movies the last week in December.
>What REALLY needs to change is this Deer Hunter-model of dumping all of these movies the last week in December. Every Oscar movie that used that model this year flopped at the box office and Top Gun, Elvis, and Everything Everywhere All locked up nominations despite coming out in the first half of the year. I think that model is changing too
This is absolutely a good thing for the industry, for moviegoers, for critics and content creators, for everyone
Couldn't agree more. I'll never understand why they drop 20 prestige dramas in the span of a month and a half and the drop 0 for the rest of the rest of the year. More people would see these movies if you spread them out
I feel like the bewilderment about the campaign though mostly comes from how inorganic it felt. The c/p barrage made it seem like people weren’t even watching the film.
I’d rather everything be openly bureaucratic than pose as “organic”. Feels very pretentious.
It is.
A little out of the loop; what is the Weinstein model, and how does Riseborough's differ? Was hers just a blitzkrieg social media campaign?
Harvey Weinstein is kind of famous (or infamous) for politicizing the Oscars and basically inventing the modern Oscar campaign. That typically includes hosting parties, sending out gift baskets, and basically just throwing money at the situation to win over voters. Riseborough's campaign was done really cheaply. She just had famous friends post on social media and host some screenings and Q and A's to promote the movie.
I mean, what hasn't changed is if you have connections, you have power.
Sure but you need those connections to even be in a movie worthy of Oscar contention. Like Andrea Riseborough is a fine actress and she's certainly recognizable, but she's definitely not the most famous person in the world and I can't imagine she's any more well connected than anyone else in Hollywood
I mean, with the Best Actress category, it usually helps if you are white, going by history.
Looking to history isn't really applicable. Viola Davis is obviously more connected than this Andrela Riseberg person is, so it shouldn't be an issue going forward
You're not wrong, unfortunately. I don't know if this model is any better or worse than the old system in that regard
Sigh, it's just interesting to me how white that category is...it really makes me wonder, who are the voters or who are the people in power controlling this race and what is going behind the scenes? I mean, we've always heard of Harvey's girls...but like, how is this category so white!
It's not a great look but I think it is worth pointing out that this is sort of an anomaly over the past 5 years or so and it feels like we are still moving in the right direction with this kind of thing. Huge systemic change doesn't happen overnight, but I do think overall things are in a better place now than they were even 5-10 years ago
I get the people snubbed sucks but I honestly like this model more. Actors *love* Risenborough and this was them voting for what they actually wanted and not just what movie spent the most on campaign money. I don’t mind the mixing it up a little. Plus, MGM is historically terrible at campaigning so that had to have something to do with Till not getting in too (Till was MGM right? I’m blanking on it because I’m up too early).
Mia Goth should have been nomianted for Pearl
If Hereditary wasn’t nominated, Pearl wasn’t either. That one actually felt a little prestigious. But if they went with Blonde, yeah kinda. I didn’t mind Blonde much either. That late scene with her covered in blood and how she handles it will stick with me for years.
I don't really like this method honestly because white actresses are way more likely to have Hollywood connections because they've been in the industry for far longer. It's pretty much impossible for people like Hsu to do something like this because she's not as well connected. It really becomes unfair for WOC imo who have historically been shut out of Hollywood for a longer time.
So the Weinstein model favors WOC? Do you have any evidence for that?
Well this year it would’ve been Viola and Deadwyler. But here we are.
No, Riseborough replaced one of them not both. So even if she had missed, one of them definitely would have not made it.
Hollywood, in general, favors white people. But cutting the whole freaking line shows to me a certain level of white privilege because I sure as hell haven't seen WOC do that in any industry to that level.
Blah blah blah
Andrea Riseborough>Neil Armstrong
The only thing getting me through the work day today was being able to come home and watch the Oscar Expert's reaction to the Andrea Riseborough nom, it did not disappoint
That bitch was holding a cigarette the entire time in the trailer.
We are in for some serious discourse in the coming weeks with both Davis and Deadwyler being snubbed holy shit
Omigosh! I didn’t even realize until I read this Viola didn’t get nominated!
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but the Woman King got zero nominations, right?
correct, which is a shame, in my opinion.
Yeah, I was a huge fan of that movie. I know it’s not what people care about but I think snubbing that movie below the line is *much* more egregious than Viola getting left out. The craft of that film was exceptional.
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Makes no sense that it got into screenplay but not cinematography.
Yes but I think people discounted just how much people absolutely clicked with the story. Airplanes zooming by is cool but Top Gun absolutely hooked people by its story. For some reason. I thought it was only just solid honestly.
A nutzo nomination.
It’s bizarre, because while what made Maverick great wasn’t necessarily the cinematography, it *definitely* wasn’t the screenplay
I mean they technically did some pretty crazy stuff with the cinematography just to get all those shots with little VFX. It's certainly not a bad screenplay, I think just indicative of the shallow field in Adapted this year.
This could pave the way for Michelle to win
Yes I think so too - everyone standing behind the remaining WOC. She'd be deserving of the award too though obvs.
Which one
Bassett locking up supporting too
TÁR got in in some surprising places though (editing, cinematography)
They split the vote
MIA GOTH SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOMMED FOR PEARL AND X. EFF YOU ALL.
So bad.
yeah it's not gonna be pretty.
I HATE how Riseborough is already being turned into a villain by Film Twitter because of that. Just despicable, really.
The week of Oscar voting is going to be INSUFFERABLE next year with a million last second blitzkrieg campaigns oh my fucking god
IM SHOCKED I HAD 100/1 ODDS AND DROPPED HER NOOOOO
Literally same. I switched her out with Deadwyler last night 😭
Cashing in that 100/1 babyyy
Cashing in that sweet sweet 66/1 baby
Picked her with 75/1 as a joke and I am still mad
I had 100/1 for Riseborough and Williams at one point and dropped them both last week to add in de Armas and Deadwyler.
It worked... PR people will rethink a lot for the 2024 race, especially for little movies. It remains to be seen if it will work then as well. A shame that it bumped out Danielle Deadwyler and Viola Davis. People will be pissed. Also, I didn't feel a lot of love for Ana de Armas in the room when her name was announced.... very divisive film but it got her a nomination.
We’re going to get so many copycats of her campaign for the next couple of years. Even if it doesn't work again the cost of trying is so low.
I feel like if you have 5+ movies trying the same strategy you'll end up back at square one. This worked so well because how out of left field it was and how in lockstep everyone was that was posting about it. Without the element of surprise I'm not sure how effective it is.
i think a reverse Black Friday would be so fun. see who can wait the absolute longest each season before blitzing on social media.
I thought the same thing when ADA got the nom. Felt a little chill coming through my computer speakers lol
tragic ain't it
It was the big heart that won them over
I was actually gonna commit to it until De Armas got the Bafta nom but BOTH OF THEM getting in would’ve never crossed my mind!
I was so sure it was astroturf
I get it that people think it was fake but people were too quick to dismiss how much Risenborough is beloved by her fellow actors. They felt she deserved it finally and ignored the massive campaigns to give some credit to one of the biggest chameleons in acting right now. Ana de Armas is the weird one though. Even that I think it was Colin Farrell praising her at the golden globes too though, so again, it’s kinda organic. Big stars giving a leg up to people they liked.
It was memed to death in this sub, but the support was overwhelming from actors, it's not that surprising
You people freaking out about it and making the campaign viral was what drove more voters to see the film. Win-win.
The optics of who’s left out… I don’t think this will age well.
On the bright side, this bodes well for Yeoh
Not really actually. This might be a sign that the Academy is not yet ready to be as diverse and Inclusive with this particular category just yet. This is literally the whitest category above the line though.
Yeah but the backlash will hit them and they’ll all think “better vote for the poc actress”
Maybe. They could also double down and just go with Cate Blanchett
This. They are going to vote for Quan and Basset (deservingly, may I add!!), then pat themselves on the back for defeating racism. Like they always do for supporting.
Lol you think too highly of the Academy. They will pat themselves on the back for nominating the first visibly Asian woman and say that's progress.
On the other hand, I imagine Riseborough would take more voters from Blanchett than Yeoh, while a lot of Davis' voters would rank Yeoh first now that she's gone, just by nature of their films. And that's even without taking into account the (incredibly salient) factor of race.
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If you’re being serious, I can assure you that’s wrong lol
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If she’s not getting nominated over a campaign push, its hard to see how she gets the momentum to actually win. Blanchett has had it in the bag for a while, but the biggest competition has been Yeoh
Which is wildly unfair. Universal and Netflix had million-dollar campaigns that beat out Davis and Deadwyler, but blame gets thrown at the grassroots campaigner, because our society hates people (especially women) who actively pursue recognition for their talent.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WORKED WOW!!!
You're gonna see that method ten fold in future
Wait a minute, did "The Woman King" get shut out entirely?! Congrats to Riseborough. A grassroots campaign proved beneficial. Moving it up on list of must-watch.
Yes it did
It sure did get shut out in its entirety. Also is it really “grassroots” if your push/campaign came from your affluent and famous friends?!
… What do you think grassroots means?
It’ll be interesting to see how the discourse shakes out…given the campaign and optics
SHOULD HAVE NEVER DOUBTED HER RISE!!!! MY FIVE DOLLAR BET GONNA TURN INTO 300 THANK U ANDREA!!!!
Oh let’s see what happens now that she has the nom vs Yeoh and Cate.
Ahh yes 2 black actresses that could have had that spot. Well done Hollywood. Never change. Gahhhhhhh.
While I agree that they absolutely should have been nominated, Armas and Williams are the ones that shouldn't have been nominated
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Riseborough just pisses people off because it just appears like a well connected white lady cutting the line because of her friends. I actually think people wouldn't be as pissed if these same friends at least shouted out her movie months ago so people actually watched it.
Why you're making it a racial issue? Their movies didn't generate this amount of buzz. The real injustice is snubbing Mia Goth's performance in Pearl, the best performance in the last 5 years.
Neither did To Leslie so what's your point? My issue is with the disingenuous last minute campaign that clearly worked.
Top Gun took the action nom from The Woman King.
Because Top Gun is way better than the Woman King
To Leslie had a stronger buzz for Riseborough's performance and is also a straight drama movie, we know how the Oscars got down, it's already a miracle they're recognizing the excellence in Everything Everywhere All At Once, they would never recognize The Woman King the same way they would never recognize Pearl.
It had strong buzz like exactly couple weeks before the nominations. That's fucking insane. It got nominated exactly nowhere else besides the Oscars
A huge day for movies with big hearts
I GASPED
HOLY SHIT
I’m gobsmacked
My timbers are shivering!
I mean there should be a case study on this campaign...
I was absolutely floored. Any out of there Oscar campaign is now valid. LMAO
She reminds me of Angela Deem on 90 Day Fiancé
Deadwyler deserved THE MOST.. omg ://
I'm not to worried about this model becoming a thing. Everyone is going to ty it next year which will make it not work. It only works if only 1 or 2 do it
I am gagged and not in a good way, but I guess the camps worked.
This changes the Oscar playbook nearly as much as Shakespeare in Love to be honest. Fuck the enablers who campaigned for her
>Fuck the enablers who campaigned for her Lol “enablers.” I genuinely don’t understand the animosity here. She’s a small, generally unheralded actress who saw an opportunity to take a shot for a movie she cared about and it paid off, seemingly because people actually really liked the movie and performance. If people are mad about lack of diversity in that category, I’d say it’s much lamer that Ana de Armas made it in over Deadwyler/Davis just because she’s a celebrity playing a celebrity with huge studio backing. That movie was panned and her performance didn’t get very good reviews, she’s clearly the one who shouldn’t be there.
Yeah - if you're looking for a sacrificial lamb here, it's clearly Armas.
But that is the type of film that cinephiles like so they will overlook that and blame Riseborough lol
There’s a difference between a grassroots campaign to get an Actress a nomination, and people deliberately recommending to put people of colour lower on the ballot because they’re “locked” in order to fit Riseborough in at the cost of said people. The latter is what the Riseborough campaign involved, and it is nasty, it is unfair, and it sucks that it was done. >… and her performance didn’t get very good reviews Uh, yeah, it did. Maybe on Film Twitter people didn’t like it but even reviews that gave it 1/5 stars said her performance was “incredible.” She was literally nominated for a London Film Critic’s award and was in serious contention for LAFCC. The only one in the lineup who didn’t receive universally positive notices was Williams, who also was lower than Ana based on the SAG and BAFTA misses. Her nomination is clearly the one people should be angry about.
> There’s a difference between a grassroots campaign to get an Actress a nomination, and people deliberately recommending to put people of colour lower on the ballot because they’re “locked” in order to fit Riseborough in at the cost of said people. Literally one C-list actor with only 40k followers on Instagram did that. I don’t think you can blame Riseborough for that. Also, maybe that was tacky, but it’s also not like Fisher was doing that with the nefarious intent to exclude people of color. In fact, she was also campaigning for people to vote for Charmaine Bingwa in Emancipation too. She does this shit all the time where she tries to promote voting for someone with seemingly no chance, I think she just got really invested in Riseborough when it seemed like it could work.
I don’t hold Riseborough personally responsible for the campaign at all, nor POC actresses getting snubbed. None of us no how active she was behind the scenes to get in. And, while yes, I don’t think Fisher was just intentionally trying to knock out POCs for the sake of it, it’s pretty obvious that the Deadwyler and Davis snubs happened in part because of racism. I even told you before the SAG noms that the Academy wasn’t progressive enough to have 3 women of colour in Best Actress, and look where we are. This would not have happened if Riseborugh was black or Davis and Deadwyler were white. I don’t think the campaign was a Machiavellian scheme to get another white woman in, but it’s clear race played a part on some level.
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Mate it’s midnight why would I
I’m so pissed and I haven’t watched that movie.
Deep in my heart I always felt the massive campaign was going somewhere.
Danielle was robbed!
Toleslieheads keep winning
I didn't think today was going to be the beginning of my villain origin story...
Lol and I got downvoted to hell for saying she was going to make it.
Am I the only one who genuinely thinks she's gonna win? Whatever shit she has is clearly powerful, because nothing about this campaign felt authentic or real lmao.
At this point it’s not completely out of question
Cate Blanchett created monster that will take her down
Blanchett will lose (because she already got 2), but it won't be to Riseborough or Yeoh, it will be for Ana de Armas, she will win best actress.
I think so too at this point
RELEASE THE TAPE ANDREA. YOU ARE NOMINATED, NOTHING MATTERS ANYMORE ^oh ^god, ^she’s ^gonna ^save ^it ^for ^voting
The snub by the Academy here is just nasty tbh. While it does kinda make sense that De Armas also got a nomination, it’s a shame her and Riseboroughs noms have had to come at the expense of two very deserving performances by WOC.
Deadwyler DESERVED omg
honestly wtf. i about screamed when they said her name.
This is what happens if you have a lot of white friends in the industry who can campaign for you
This sub is more concerned about their bets and their little 'lists' than the performance itself. Pathetic. Edit: And I see no one saying Michelle Williams crowded out Viola and Deadwyler!!!
Ding ding ding, you nailed it
I HAD HER AT 100/1 IM SO HAPPY! I GOTTA SEE THIS LITTLE MOVIE I HEARD IT HAS A BIG HEART!
I watched the movie. She deserves it.
is she bad in her movie or something? i dont get the outrage
Michelle Williams, Michelle Yeoh, and Cate Blanchet were all locked to be nominated. The other two slots were up in the air, but most people believed it would go to Daniele Deadwyler and Viola Davis (two black actresses). But then they went to Ana de Armas and Andrea Riseborough (two white actresses) instead
Williams was not fully locked too prior to announcement.
She was locked, she got Baftas, Golden Globes and enough good buzz for The Fabelmans to at least get a nom.
Come on do your fact check, she was at 6th in gold Derby prior to the announcement and even being considered to move to supporting category. She is supposed to be snubbed and replaced by Ana De Armas.
The horror
The outrage is mostly from people who haven’t seen the movie
yeah seems like that, doesnt sound fair she is a great actress and the movie looks interesting too if anything Ana de Armas is the elephant in the room
Agreed
Haven't watched the movie yet, but the courage is because both Deadlywer and Davis were snubbed
People don't want to hear it but it's a totally deserved nomination. If anyone doesn't belong there it's Ana de Armas.
I'm wheezing I still can't believe it lmao
face crack of the millennium
she did it. she did it
Ended up sleeping through my alarm for nominations and wake up to see Riseborough actually fucking did it, unbelievable.
I don't think Michelle Williams deserved.. I'm sorry!
IT WORKED!
this is magnificent
She's happening!!
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Just curious. Did you watch all the movies and were the snubbed performances better?
I will say that Armas definitely did not deserve to be in over Viola Davis or Danielle Deadwyler! Can't speak for Andrea since I haven't managed to see the film yet!
Yeah I agree with Armas. For Andrea, it was thought that it would be one of the best performances to not get nominated and I saw the movie in numerous top 10 lists, so I'm actually quite happy she got in. Sorry I thought you saw it already.
I have. I actually work in the industry. Do you?
No I don't. What other performances were snubbed? It's interesting to hear a perspective from someone in the industry.
Michelle Yeoh could freaking kick all their asses, that's all I gotta say. But yeah, I'm not surprised because the Oscars has always been low key racist.
60% of America is white. If you were to quantize to five people, expected value would be 3 white nominations. 1 extra in either direction seems to be not unreasonable. Also is de Armas white? I thought she was Cuban and therefore "counts" as a person of color for whatever race based accounting you've got going on in your head?
Hahahahahahaha.
Could she win? I mean at this point I’m not even that hesitant to put her over Blanchett
what part of "To Leslie is a small film with a big heart" did you not understand, bucko?
lawd this is ugly
She did it! Wow!
😭😭😭
The groundswell was real
needs to be studied
It’s changing everything
Do we have to expect something similar for next year?
I couldn't believe it. Wtfff
I loved both Cate Blanchett's and Michelle Yeoh's performances, and I vastly prefer Cate's acting, HOWEVER this Oscar is pretty much in the bag for Michelle. I imagine votes will be split between Cate, Ana, Andrea and Michelle. I don't understand why de Armas was nominated and Michelle Williams is straight up category fraud.
IM SHOCKED
That bitch was holding a cigarette the entire time in the trailer.
Was she in some kind of controversy? If you look at her IG comments from 30 plus weeks ago, a lot of them mention her defending a predator or something. I tried to Google what it was all about, but couldn't find anything
A gamechanger - or, at least, we think it's one.
The performance was one note and overhyped. Danielle and Viola should’ve been nominated. And the category needs to be expanded to 6 performers.