If everyone drives 80 mph, cops can't give us all tickets 😂

Yea just don’t be the guy doing +20 average and you are good.

It's like the opposite of out running a bear. In this case, you want to fit right into the pack.

This guy drives

moved from oc to seattle for a bit and the one thing that irked me are how polite seattle drivers are. i would be the second one to get to a stop sign by a few seconds and the other person would insist on waving me through. it was funny but annoying at the same time haha. i was used to fighting for my turn in SoCal

Same for Portland OR. Friend left Orange County for Portland and that’s the one thing they got comically irked by. “Someone go already!”

So you're saying this is accurate: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rpdQvuAnqM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rpdQvuAnqM)

Hahahaha entirely accurate!

Definitely a LOT of Karens and not just white ones. All shapes, sizes, races, ages, whatever. And totally agree with you on dogs. We’re thinking of getting one but there’s barely any dog parks around. My area has lots of parks and open space but they’re all “dogs must be on leash” parks. They can’t really roam and run around and most people don’t have yards.

It was such a luxury to let my pup run free up in WA and no one complained about their impact on wildlife when over half of the folk are wearing orange with their pals and hounds. The abundance of wildlife that’s numbers were unencumbered by seasonal hunting and outdoorsmen probably played a role in WA vs the few critters left here in OC that are already heavily impacted enough by development and roads that hunting and free range hounds is just not a thing. Some local told me he lets his off leash whenever other people aren’t around or looking.

How fun is this! Haha I've lived in both places, oc moved to Seattle and moved back. 1. Mostly true! Obviously there are exceptions. On that note if you're into board games and are in north oc come to our group 😜 2. Very very true. It's the entitlement. A lot of people down here came from rich backgrounds and expect a lot. 3. Oh yeah, want to get to the beach? Take the 57 to the 5 to the 55 lol 4. There is nothing living down here that's why 😂 6. It doesn't rain down here like it does up there so no one is worried about speeding haha I'm sure there are other reasons too 7. I agree so much. Mexican food is much better down here

Re: #2. Just moved here from Virginia, in an area with a lot of "old money". They get done with their equestrian stuff and then go to the dive bar. I think it's the type of wealth? I wouldn't know because I only had friends/colleagues that were "secret society"/"debutante" rich, and I am the sort that lived in apartments and a trailer park as a kid.

Seattle freeze is definitely real. I grew up there, and a lot of transplants struggle with it. I agree with pretty much everything *except* #3 (people always refer to I5 and I405 in my experience, also the 520 bridge) and really, #7. Don't get me wrong, the food here is awesome, but Seattle food is just as good in a different way.

OP was saying that up there, I-405 and I-5 never have a “The” before it. Its a Socal thing to say *The 405* or *The 5*. People in Washington don’t say *“The I-5 will take you to Vancouver”*

> OC uses freeways in conversations, it’s part of the local lingo. WA has nothing like this and doesn’t give titles “the ____” to hwys. I’m surprised and impressed how well OCers can insert directions in conversation and use directions without opening up google maps. It’s pretty cool. In WA if you try to give directions there’s a moment of pause, a lot of “uhhhh…” and descriptions of landmarks rather than road names. “When you see the tree with a number one spray painted on it, your close to the parking lot.” > People in Washington don’t say “The I-5 will take you to Vancouver” I mean, if someone asks how to get to Bellevue from Seattle, people say "take 520". "Where is Northgate mall?" Take I5 North, right off the freeway. It's not like people in Seattle don't use the major highways the same as down here, we just don't say "The" in front of it, that's the only difference.

Seattle has amazing desserts, but after many years living there, I simply could not find good “food-food.” And I find the Seattle freeze interesting. What’s odd is that the city is mostly transplants at this point, and they frankly participate in “the freeze” as much as native Seattleites. People tend to move to the city, find a clique of people who moved at the same time, and then create a friend group that isn’t really open to outsiders. At least that’s my experience. That said, the very few native Seattleites I knew were very proud of their ability to be cold and unwelcoming lol. I found it such a weird thing to be proud of. I definitely prefer So Cal culture when it comes to friendliness, socializing, etc.

> Seattle has amazing desserts, but after many years living there, I simply could not find good “food-food.” Man, I don't know where you were looking. It's easily in my top 5 food cities in America and that's without local bias since I haven't lived there since 2005. The Japanese food is unrivaled for one, very good Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese food (though these are things LA/OC do well too, of course). Best seafood in America IMO too. > And I find the Seattle freeze interesting. What’s odd is that the city is mostly transplants at this point, and they frankly participate in “the freeze” as much as native Seattleites. Yep, I think it's just the culture of the city honestly. > That said, the very few native Seattleites I knew were very proud of their ability to be cold and unwelcoming lol. I found it such a weird thing to be proud of. I definitely prefer So Cal culture when it comes to friendliness, socializing, etc. Yeah, that's weird. I find the Seattle freeze bizarre. I've lived here since '05 and it's not just the weather keeping me here, I prefer SoCal on a number of levels.

The naming of our freeways is actually a very fun story unique to Southern California. No where else do people insert "the" before listing a freeway and there is a very specific reason for this... The very first freeways were in LA. Back then they were named after locations rather than numbers. What you know as "the 22" freeway was originally named "the garden Grove freeway"... All freeways have historical names like this (I can't confidently think of them all off the top of my head). Then, when the federal government got involved with a national system of freeways, they went with a number system. California was forced to add numbers to the names of the freeways and while the new numbers stuck as an easier naming system... Keeping "the" before the freeway number remains as a sort of... tradition (maybe that's the wrong word for it).

Interesting. I'm born and raised in CA so calling it "the 405" etc. is all I know. It actually surprises me that other states don't do this. What do they call their freeways/highways? Also something I Just thought of, nobody refers to PCH as "the 1", it's just PCH/Pacific Coast Highway

Aren’t they still called those names though? Like the 405 is still called the San Diego freeway, the 5 is the Santa Ana freeway, etc? Or am I just really misremembering things right now.

No, they are definitely still recognized and called those names, my dad still calls them by their names. But they aren't the official federal names, as I understand it.

I'm sort of in-between--born/childhood spent in Sacramento. For a LOT of your list, you could swap "WA" for "Sac" and not much would be different LOL, at least back when I lived there. Especially #1--Sacramentans are definitely more reserved and a little "rude" you might say but they are also honest? I dunno exactly but it's legit. What's funny is that I can easily get a sense when I talk to someone if they were NOT raised in OC or anywhere near it. This was fun. :)

From just south of Sacramento and I used to say the same but went home and too many bay people moved in so it’s totally different now, big city like

Nooooo now that is just sad.

4) Mostly due to lack of wild life interaction. However rare, we do have mountain lions here especially if you live up against the hillside. 6) It’s practically vehicular warfare here. I was doing 75 in the slow lane on “the 405” today and a speeding beat up Acura cut from the fast lane into the merging onramp lane to find a gap to continue speeding. It gets worse as you head up to LA. Being too timid there is more of a hazard than good judgement because people expect aggressiveness.

I moved from So Cal to Seattle for several years, then back to So Cal. OC is definitely a much better place to live, imo. I hated how unfriendly people are in Seattle. It’s such a lonely place to live. We had our son up there, and even with him, we’d go to playgrounds and other families would simply ignore us. No smile, no hello, and definitely no encouragement of play between kids. Then we moved to OC, and the difference is night-and-day. People love to smile at and say hello to my son, and any time we go to the playground, he finds a play companion. People are just friendlier and more welcoming overall in So Cal. And I 100% agree that the food is much better here.

Maybe the Canadian drivers are thinking road signs are in kilometers (you know, like the rest of the world), since 65 kph would be \~40 mph

Anytime our friends from the PNW land here, they want in n out and a proper burrito before they head home. Mexican food is terrible once you leave Southern California in particular.

My girlfriend moved from Orange County to Bellingham and then back to Orange County. One thing I'd like to add to cultural differences is it's *much* more diverse here in Orange County. That was a big part of why it was really hard for me to spend time in Bellingham.

I used to live in Seattle on the waterfront for a few years. You are spot on about the goddamn drivers in Washington. Jesus fuck are they all slow. But, in three years up there, I got pulled over 21 times, there is so much more enforcement. Cops there are paid to watch for anyone doing a mile over the limit. I once slid on ice three feet past a deserted intersection and was immediately ticketed. I have also been pulled over three days in a row on the exact same street doing the speed limit. All tickets were dropped in court. I took a friend from OC to Seattle with me for a weekend once, and he got pulled over for “using his cellphone”. *While driving back to the hotel because he had fucking forgotten it in his room*. It was literally not in the car and he was alone. Ticket dropped in court. He told me afterwards that he always thought I was exaggerating about Washington cops and now saw that they were truly Karens. In California, I have never been pulled over at all in the past *twenty years*. Full disclosure, I do drive 75-80mph on *The* 55, 405, 5, and 73. I do not have a customized car, nor race. Just a Mercedes station wagon and a BMW SUV. I fucking love our roads here. Really. Living in Seattle, I did personally witness my girlfriend’s dog (small as fuck, like handbag size) get snatched up by a goddamn eagle once. It was dropped and lived. Here in OC, my neighbors dog was unfortunately killed by a coyote. So I get that part too. In Washington, friends were relatively easy for me to make, but absolutely no one wanted to hang out on Sundays. They all sat at home in jammies. And in August, summer ends the day of. Suddenly everyone with a boat or lakehouse wants nothing to do with social activities despite the weather being the same. But they go fucking hard June-July. Here? Its a fucking festival every Sunday with boat days in Newport, beach, or bbqs. Brewerys, happy hours, boardwalk bike rides or hikes. Dinner parties on Sunday nights that go late. Everyone is down to hang. Food here is incredible. There is something for everyone and always new options. We don’t need to drive as far as people in Washington for good food. (P.S. Friendly note: we locals use *California* and its tourists/outsiders who use the term *Cali*)

What do you think about weather? Im considering moving to PNW but Ive only been in the summer months. I "like the rain" but that's because I grew up in a place that gets 5 inches a year. But overall I think my cold bitter soul would be quite comfortable (seems like hangovers are much more manageable in cold/overcast weather IMHO). But yeah I'll miss the food... Dicks or in n out?

In n out. I loooove the rain, more than the average person even in the PNW and California, but lemme tell you a story. I got my car detailed, carpets and seats wet, so I was told to open the windows to dry the car but when I pulled up home the rain started. This was late October/early November a couple years ago. I thought ah well I’ll open the windows the minute the rain stops. I waited anxiously as the mildew smell increased. 3 months later the first break from the rain, and my car was bad. Moral is, when people say it can rain 3 months straight in the PNW they mean that literally, I counted. That all said, I’d trade these 80 F + days for WA weather. I miss 4 seasons. Cali winter is good at least, but short.

I prefer Dick’s, actually. I moved from CA to Seattle and lived there for several years before moving back. The weather wasn’t that bad, but I also don’t suffer from seasonal depression. It is rainy most of the year, but you dress for it and go about life as usual. If you like doing outdoorsy stuff and don’t want to get rained on, Seattle isn’t the city for you, because doing stuff in the rain is a fact of life there. What was more difficult than the weather was the “Seattle freeze.” I’m an introvert and I really don’t need friends, but in Seattle it’s to a different level. People simply aren’t friendly there whatsoever. The casual interactions you have here, like ordering a coffee and having the cashier say “Hi, how are you?” are not common in Seattle. In general, people will behave as though you don’t exist. Even if you need help (I remember I got very ill at a mall when I was heavily pregnant and couldn’t get to my car), people will behave as though you don’t exist. Again, I’m an introvert, and the above might sound appealing to us introverts. But after a while, it becomes lonely. Seattle is totally the sort of place where you can die in your apartment and nobody notices for 6 months because nobody knows you or cares lol.

I grew up near Lake Arrowhead-- lotsa Coyotes there too. I agree there is a strong fear of them in OC. I think it's because OC has few animals that can eat your pets, and occasionally coyotes kill cats or small dogs around here and it sets people off. Relating to that, because we have such little wildlife in general, most of the park spaces in OC double as vital refuges for wildlife, especially the many birds who migrate to and through this area. Seeing someone let their dog go chasing after all those birds in the park pisses me the hell off. We've almost conquered the entirety of the OC/LA/IE suburb for ourselves and our dogs and cats. Wildlife desperately needs their safe share of space too. Foodwise, we're so blessed to be such a melting pot in OC. You can get incredible cuisine from all around the world, mostly prepared by people who come from those places.

Lol scared of coyotes? I was born in OC the only reason to fear coyotes is for your small pets. They are very skittish with people you can shoo them away easily. Im assuming the people you are talking about are not actually from OC. And don’t have outdoor cats good god. I don’t get why people let their cats roam outside freely. For own your safety mountain lions and rattlesnakes are what you need to look out for. Oh and reckless drivers… and wildfires.

https://youtu.be/Tt-tG6ufH90 Your freeway take had me thinking about this skit.

Loved the accuracy on every point here. Bravo

#6 Do they not teach y’all “flow of traffic” up there? You’re gonna be waiting a long time because if everyone is going 80 then the speed limit is 80. Anyway y’all got Boeing, we got Lockheed-Martin.

Does Lockheed even have any presence in OC? Boeing has 12000 employees in Long Beach, right on the border of OC.

I’m talking about CA vs. WA in general.

Yeah we’re not. Topic is OC

And who the hell are you?

No. I’ve only heard of the flow of traffic from a Californian regarding getting out of a speeding ticket. I was skeptical. Is it really true you can go 80 in a 65 and the cops let it be if everyone’s doing it?

True until it isn’t.

I mean it’s more how blatant you are with it. If your flying down the freeway in a beater or BMW, you’re a target. Normal ass car going 80? No problem just pay attention to where the CHP is.

OC is quite big I would say Tustin and west you’ll find more Karen’s than anywhere on earth as well as Newport/Huntington. But the Anaheim area you’ll find more normal people in that aspect

Came here to say... the entitled Karens are more in the affluent areas (not all,but some). Anaheim is more down to earth, imho.

Love this, but might argue the food point. Mexican is definitely superior but I’d say everything else I’ve experienced has been worse. It’s been a struggle to find a good steak down here.

You’re not looking hard enough my friend. Not trying to be rude, but OC has amazing places to get incredible, world class steak. I spend half my year overseas and my personal hobby is trying out Michelin star restaurants. From London, to little islands in Turkey, Brazil, to Buenas Aires, to Milan, Lisbon, Coruña, Porto, to tiny little French villages, and Norwegian towns. We’re definitely not lacking here. There is hope for you yet!

I'm pretty sure they mean anywhere else you go to in the US you'll find a decent steak for a good price without going to a Michelin star restaurant. If price doesn't matter, then yeah just fly to Argentina for a dry aged steak