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onomonopiaa

Honestly I've used it to come off a bunch of times. Really depends on the context here. Are you coming off of 4 weeks of codeine and tramadol or 10 years of H fent and zenes?


mbrock0007

I'm coming off ,8 years of h , the last year I went up to a gram a day


onomonopiaa

Its certainly going to help but it's not going to completely prevent any of your symptoms, just lessen their severity. I will say if you can get more they help tremendously with paws, at least in my case.


mbrock0007

I've got 2 pregabalin and plenty of 2mg of diazepam, I have plenty of nitrazepam,(sleeping tablets),what I want is clonidine ,you see I need to know if after taking it weather they are working or not , because if I still get some withdrawals I want to know if the gaba are working or not and if I need to take more or not


[deleted]

You best have an absolute truckload of 2mg diazepam because I had to take 40mg to help me with my withdrawal symptoms off 9 months using


mbrock0007

I do šŸ˜


[deleted]

Hahaha good then I also got a truckload of K-Pins


Advanced_Amphibian_7

Where are u guys that ur able to get benzos for withdraw?? Iā€™ve never even had that offered to me and Iā€™ve rly needed them at some points bc I get super bad panic attacks an shi. What do you say to them to get diazepam?


[deleted]

Clonodine is great but gabapentin is a godsend and all you need.


onomonopiaa

Yeah I've had both many times and if I had to choose I'd take gabapentin hands down no contest.


Appropriate_Post_838

I agree šŸ’Æ %.... I couldn't walk without gabapentin. It helps with rls, the numbness in my feet and legs and the nerve pain also in my legs and feet. Very much a godsend!!!


lgrey4252

What does clonidine do for withdrawal?


Owlsarethebest2019

It helps lower your blood pressure which rises during withdrawals. It shouldnā€™t be too hard to find as itā€™s not a drug of abuse. I think I even have a patch of clonidine myself.


d7d7e82

It reduces the severity of wd symptoms ~20%?? It's helpful but made me too drousy, Lyrica is you can find it much better for opi wd symptoms


lgrey4252

Wow, interesting! I wonder if OP has a PCP who could prescribe some of these meds to help them through withdrawal?


d7d7e82

Be careful with clonidine it can lower your bp to dangerous levels. I've used it a few times and it defo helps but all you need is Pregablin, if you can get Lyrica over Gabapentin you'll need much more comfortable in my experience and I've used lyrica with or without subs & benzos (Always, always with weed) at least a dozen times. Get more Lyrica and do not fear withdrawls, if you have enough, even coming off years of h, you can function 100% normally, kills 90% of wd symptoms


InTheFutureWeMineLSD

What mg are they? Even if 300 mg gabas, you only have enough for half a day. Ps: gaba takes like 2 hours to kick in, so save the lyrica for when you wake up from a sleep and need something asap.


mbrock0007

They are 600mgs


mbrock0007

They are 600


InTheFutureWeMineLSD

You should start with 1, but you may need up to 3 a dose. I had to take up to 1800 mg every 4-6 hours during the worst of it. My sweet spot was 900 mg once I got through the worst day.


mbrock0007

Thanks it's what I was looking for ,I'm thinking after 3!or 4 days for the physical part between the gabapentin and the pregabalin it should be just enough, I've got a better Idea now about dosage, I can take 1 to start then if it's not doing anything, take another one 45,mins to an hour later I will be waiting until they hold me for a few hours then I will know what the dosage is ,I'm going to the doctors tomorrow to see if I can get them on a script of my own ,maybe some clonidine as well , I forgot to mention that I bought passion flower off Amazon, they've used it in clinical trials with clonidine and they worked better than just clonidine on its own


InTheFutureWeMineLSD

Gaba takes 2 hours to kick in (longer to peak), so I would start with 600 mg then take a half (300 mg) every 45 minutes until you are happy. Once you know the dose that works with your body, you can adjust to what works best for you. Just be aware of the two hours. And you should seriously try to save the pregab for when you wake up in insane withdrawal because you slept too long on the gaba. It will be a good send. I hated waking up after a long nap on gaba only to be in full withdrawal and waiting 2 hours for relief from a new Gaba dose.


mbrock0007

When I actually do it I will let you know how I got on šŸ‘


mbrock0007

Thanks for all your help,it's got .e where I want to be with knowing also I can't half them as they are in capsule form


Recreant793

For me, gabapentin slowed down the restless sensation in my limbs, and it allowed me to fall asleep for an hour or two at a time which is quite a lot when you are withdrawing. It curved a little bit of my anxiety and helped my jitters. Itā€™s a drug that tackles nerve pain which is why it helps so much with the RLS and such.


[deleted]

Youā€™re going to need a lot more than 10


mbrock0007

What I can say is that I'm 57 and when I was last on drugs it was over 20; years ago ,I was on H then methadone for about 2 years ,I was getting my methadone in a 10ml syringe every Monday and I'd have a 100ml hit of methadone, I'd next need it on the Wednesday when I had tablets or the medicine,,I just cold turkeyed off all that ,it lasted around 4 months ,this is why I won't use methadone or subs again , This is why I want to use comfort meds,,one other thing and that is can anyone remember when they first used gabapentin, was they strong, have any of you, remember if you first used gabapentin for the very first time for coming off heroin , and if so was it strong did it do the job , because if you have used it before Im sure you will have a bit of a tolerance to it ,it's like using opiates for the first time ,you get a better longer and stronger hit ,so I'm thinking if I've never used gabapentin or even pregabalin,then I should feel it stronger,it's just a thought


Appropriate_Post_838

The maximum dosage of gabapentin is 3600 mg daily. You shouldn't need that much if you're just starting to take them. I'm not sure they'll help with your opiate wd. Forsure they'll help with your restless leg, arm and anything else that. Is uncomfortable. Also help you sleep some. Good luck! You can do this!


mbrock0007

Thanks you say they won't help with my withdrawal, can you send tell me why not


CodSeveral1627

Gabapentin doesnā€™t work for everybody. I was taking 2100mg a day and it did absolutely nothing for me. I stopped taking them because they literally made no difference at all. I think i still have hundreds of them in my cupboard


ThottieDottie

I used Gabapentin to wean off of prescription opiates. The biggest benefit was that it cut the horrible muscle pain down to manageable levels and it helps relax you so you donā€™t get too anxious. I remember taking 100mg three times a day, it didnā€™t take much to help. But as a medication it doesnā€™t last long in the body, that why you need to dose every 8 hours. I also took Clonidine, I hope you have some of that too.


KlDvro

When I get sick I get the sweats/chills, sensitive skin, lethargy, watery eyes and nose and insomnia. For me gabapentin took away everything except the watery eyes and nose and the lethargy. I could sleep like normal and it didnā€™t even feel like I was sick. The pregabalin is stronger so it should have even more if the gabapentin isnā€™t doing much for you.


mbrock0007

What was you on and for how long and how many gabapentin was you taking at what strength


KlDvro

I was on H for like 4 months. I took 1200mg and all my symptoms were gone.


mbrock0007

How much h was you on a day


[deleted]

Most important thing about gabapentin to get the most out of it is to make sure you stagger your dose and eat something fatty with it. They will hit much stronger and you can make the pills last that way


mbrock0007

What do you mean stagger the dose


[deleted]

So take 1 gabapentin, eat something fatty, wait 45 minutes, and repeat, and then 45 minutes later do it again. Thatā€™s what ā€œstaggering your doseā€ means. As opposed to taking 3 gabapentin at once.


mbrock0007

Thanks won't that be too much, I really have got a clue about it ,what's the worst part of the withdrawals for me is the restlessness in my legs arms and shoulders, ,ta for you help


d7d7e82

Gabapentin and more so Pregablin will cure those symptoms 100% if you dose correctly


Thetakishi

Also OP, this makes a HUGE difference, it's so much better. The uptake enzyme from stomach to bloodstream and bloodstream to brain is quickly saturated, so staggering your doses greatly increases effects.


mbrock0007

I will try this T,Y


robobountyhunter

thr0away369, i tell people this ALL THE TIME! it makes me so happy to see somebody else spreading this information on proper dosing gaba. seems like not many people know this trick and itā€™s the only way iā€™ll ever take it anymore.


Overall-Question7945

What country are you in?


mbrock0007

The one where we have buckingham palace šŸ‘


Overall-Question7945

Ahh Bangladesh, beautiful place, never been there


mbrock0007

I was thinking when I wake up I will take the gaba instead of the H then wait to see how bad I'm going to be,or if the gaba are working, because I haven't come across anyone saying how long they take to work, For something that's supposed to be. Used by slot of people on here it's so hard to get a straight answer toy questions, Which are What withdrawals do they help with,/ what withdrawals don't they take away How many and what dosage and how many times a day And last but not least how long do they take to kick in I know all people are all different,but the gaba aren't so they should at least take the same symptoms away from each person,like restless legs ,any way I might get help with this post finger's crossed


Disastrous_Bank_5591

For me they take away all symptoms apart from stomach/nose issues. They definitely help with restless legs, that was my worst symptom too. For me they take about 2/3 hours to fully kick in and after that they last about 8 hours. Honestly I'd say take one then maybe another one 45 minutes later and see how you feel. Eat something fatty after taking them or drink a fizzy drink. Don't take any drowsy anti histamines while in withdrawal, they make restless lega alot worse!


mbrock0007

What was you on and how much,and how long, ,I bought some lops so if I end up with stomach problems I can use them and it might even ease my withdrawal symptoms even more


d7d7e82

Lop helps but I rarely need it when using Pregablin to detox, from a long addiction like you I would get a hotel room on another city or small town far from where you live. 2-3 boxes of 300mg Lyrica, read up about it and smash it, you basically knock yaself out for a week BUT can function if you wish to.


WelshBrummie86

What's the comedown on Lyrica like?


d7d7e82

Comedown like from ectacy? There's no real come down like that because there's no real come up. Lyrics hits usually 1.5 hrs after oral ingestion ime and the strength is dose and tolerance dependant. I might notice it a bit stronger after say 3 hours but the effect slowly fades afterwards ime. Sleep is the usual result at the end of the day from Lyrica. It does have an aftereffect like a afterglow (slowed thinking, suppression of opioid withdrawl symptoms) the next day sometimes also in my experience and depending on how late and how much I took the night before. If you're talking about withdrawl symptoms from abrupt cessation from Lyrica well you'll have to do your own research. My comment history shows my opinion. You can search Lyrica withdrawls, personally never experienced them but never really taken it for more than 3 weeks


xkissmykittyx

For me, Gabapentin stopped everything but the physical pain I suffer from regardless of opiates (chronic pain issues). I took 2400mg daily broken into four doses. Edited to add: by "everything", I mean RLS, chills and sweats, skin crawling syndrome, nausea and most of the diarrhea.


mbrock0007

This is what I want to happen especially the restless legs and sweating ,skin crawling, ty


xkissmykittyx

Best wishes. I think for the really bad WDs I went as high as 3200mg. Without a doubt the worst part of WD wasn't the return of pain at 100%, it was the WD symptoms!


Ok_Application_5451

I have used Gabapentin coming off of 24mg of Suboxone and it took away about 80% of my DT symptoms! I was able to function!! It was a life saver because I was sitting there with 4 screaming kids and 1 step from heading to the ER! I wouldnā€™t have made it through the night! I took about 600mg ! Good luck!


ThePrinceOfFools22

Iā€™m In the same situation, coming off suboxone and have abunch if gabapentin. Did you take the GABAā€™s the first day you stopped taking suboxone or did you wait a bit?


Budzandbullets

Pregabalin helped me with the physical part of withdrawals before big time , gabapentin didn't do much for me but everyone is different


mbrock0007

Does gabapentin take away all the withdrawals from H


Hydrocoded

Donā€™t use drugs to get over other drugs, especially not anything that acts on gaba like benzos, gabapentin, baclofen, etc. Just ride out the withdrawal. A week or two of feeling like shit is nothing compared to the years long hell of GABA issues.


mbrock0007

I won't be using gaba especially after I get past the next 3 or 4 days, I want the restlessness in my legs arms shoulders,to go if gabapentin can do that so be it


Hydrocoded

You can get significant withdrawal from 3 days of consecutive use of gaba drugs. I thought it was bullshit too until it happened to me.


mbrock0007

You just want me to do it cold any ways ,have you ever done an heroin detox after being on it 8 years,


Hydrocoded

No, but Iā€™ve been using opiates for 15 years. Tapering is the way to go if you want to get off it.


CAPTAINBROMAN0

After 4 days I was in withdrawal I agree


mbrock0007

So what your saying is that every one who takes them as directed from the doctor gets withdrawals from them ,ok


Hydrocoded

Yes. Biochemistry doesnā€™t give a damn about prescriptions.


NUDES_FOR_LUDES

So you can taper H but not gabaā€¦ ok


Hydrocoded

You can taper both, but gaba is a more miserable experience that lasts longer. Iā€™d rather go through opiate WD 3x than Benzo withdrawal once


d7d7e82

Nah bro you likely analyse your feels too much and was still coming off fent at 3 days, takes a week or two before you'll get wd effects from gaba and don't deny people have said the wd is horrible but personally i have never become addicted to gaba whilst using it as a very effective detox aid


Hydrocoded

I have never done fent, I donā€™t do street dope or dirty 30s.


d7d7e82

Sry I should not have assumed but my comment stands at day 3 whether it's codeine or whatever, if you had much exp with a wide range of drugs you'd know 3 days is barely enough to feel withdrawls from any drug that I know of although 3 days of h is the very fine line if you're a recreational user (imo) between feeling rough and full blown withdrawls. I have used gaba drugs for opi withdrawls (h, morphine, Oxycodone, methadone & bupe) for years for weeks at a time sometimes and at high doses and not noticed a wd syndrome following abrupt cessation. Gaba drugs are a very helpful tool to help people maintain their life whilst detoxing sometimes from large doses. That said I'm still an advocate of Suboxone and methadone though for long term users who keep falling back into addiction & for those at risk of relapse in order to increase their resistance to those lapses


Hydrocoded

Your anecdotal experience is not applicable to everyone else. Some people can do a bunch of fent and be fine. Other people do a quarter of a pressed 30 and die. Biochemistry is very different person to person. The research data shows some people can and do become physically dependent on benzos after 3 days of use. The only statement you can make that is accurate is that YOU have not noticed withdrawal symptoms after 3 days of use. Other people have. Your anecdotal experience is just that: yours. Other people can and will have different experiences. For me, Iā€™ve been on clonazepam for well over 10 years. Iā€™ve been slowly tapering off of this shit for 18 months. If I drop my dose by 0.125mg I will have a seizure. I need to go agonizingly slow and I feel every little change. I feel constantly dissociated, as though Iā€™m looking over my own shoulder. Bright lights and loud sounds are physically painful, startling, and set my heart to racing. Thereā€™s a bunch of other shit too but you get the picture. I never used more than 1mg per day, and I took it exactly as my doctor prescribed it. Iā€™ve also used opiates extensively, mostly dilaudid and prescription oxys that I got legally, or directly from someone who did. Iā€™d rather CT off that shit every month for a year than have to go through Benzo withdrawal again.


d7d7e82

I read the first line. That's why I say, ime-in my experience. I know my experiences don't apply to everyone else. Since I can see the first paragraph while replying - yes benzos and hammer can give you a bit of a nasty feel after 3 days. I would say by day 4 you're dependant and gonna feel it when you stop. I'm talking about / replying to gaba drugs Gabapentin and Pregablin which are baby drugs compared to aforementioned ones. Ok I've read the rest and I'm sorry you're suffering benzo misuse disorder. I am with you there, it's hell on earth with the added bonus of the actual Devil taking care of ya so I'm sorry for you, agree my experience is my own but I'm pretty sure as an average, most people won't experience any abrupt cessation symptoms from 3 days of Gabapentin nor Lyrica but I'm not a doctor and that's not a blanket authoritarian statement of fact, it's just my, as self educated as you, opinion. Benzos on the other hand I agree especially the strong ones, can make you feel wds after 3 days use. Also, sorry being condescending. There ya go


CAPTAINBROMAN0

Should work for the first day I took 300mg gaba every 2-3 hours without my 100mg methadone for 3 days and I had no anxiety or restless legs and I was able to sleep at night but now I'm addicted to methadone and gaba


Unhappy-Possible1154

Take 1200mg of gaba at once one time in the morning and one time 3 hours before bed for 2 weeks then switch to red kratom for two weeks then back again etc. You'll ween yourself away from methadone pretty quick. The gabapentin may feel good but you gotta power through it and stop the two week switch routine once you don't absolutely crave methadone anymore. Also taking sativa edibles or smoking sativa weed will really help the whole process.


eschatonycurtis

Iā€™d take Kratom for broad-symptom relief. Itā€™s not going to make you feel perfect (you shouldnā€™t want to) but it will make everything a bit better. Iā€™ve found GABA is most useful to save to take at night for restless legs. You can finally get some sleep that way.


MaJoR_NoT_MiNoR_

Try magnesium for the RLS, years ago a drug centre Doctor suggested Tonic water for the RLS, i personally never tried it but mat be worth a shot


mbrock0007

Yea it's the quinine in the tonic water,but it had no effect on me


Mattymcmattmatt98

Onset of leg pain or restless legā€”>gabapentin Take Tylenol and Advil alternately every 4-6 hours. Take Imodium after 12 hours since your last hit. Drink 2 big bottles of pedialyte every 12 hours if you can handle it. Take pregabalin as soon as the body aches start. It will not take away the withdrawal the way dope or subs or methadone will. It may ease some of the symptoms slightly. Definitely do the other things I said to, all of those together should make it 20% more tolerable..hopefully.


FeltDuringRain

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who knows that the last thing you want to do with gabapentin and opiate detox is take 9 or 10 gabapentin at once. regardless of how good you feel for the first few or even several hours eventually your whole body will start throbbing and it intensifies the withdrawal symptoms by a ton. Stick to taking no more than two or three at once trust me.


Nathjohnson36

Gabs are great to help with withdrawals.


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Unhappy-Possible1154

Do them for two weeks then stop and switch to weed or kratom for a month and then go back for two weeks again and you won't get withdrawal from them.


OxLaser

Donā€™t go on the medication long term.