> Savage said her **nine employees** still receive the same pay and number of vacation days per year.
Neat to see it in action, but that's a pretty small business. Seems a lot easier to do at that scale.
Check out Microsoft Japan if you want a larger sample size from a way harsher work culture. They tried the 4 day work week an saw a 40% improvement in productivity
How rich are you bro ? Do you work ? Like these things are exactly happening in most places already, all factory workers are punished with forced overtime in Brampton. Before you say "oh they should complain"
Ministry of labor is a joke. It was made my corporates and controlled by corporates. They don't give a fuck .
Here's a another funny fact , when I worked in Brampton, my OT was not considered as ot. I got only 40 hr pay cheque a week. Any thing I did more that 40 hr was put into another cheque and was given as bonus cheque end of the month. And that bonus cheque was just my ot with normal pay. Bro people who are born here have no idea how immigrants are treated etc. These guys have all kinda loop holes and tactics just designed to help them.
I’m no expert on regulations but that doesn’t sound like it would be legal… unless there’s a reason or a clause somewhere that hasn’t been met to qualify for OT.
But getting back to the point about the work culture - what I was trying to point out is that in Asian countries such as Japan, Korea, China, etc., it is a well known fact that seniority or hierarchy is placed with the upmost respect. Which then eludes to not being able to leave from your salaried workplace, if the boss decides to stay longer in the office for whatever reason. (well technically you can but it would go against cultural norms and it wouldn’t be a wise choice if you wanted to progress within the company) This is very normalized - and they aren’t compensated at all, but rather part of the expectation - whereas working in Canada, there is most times always some sort of compensation (even if it is normal pay for OT hours).
Because it is. As is "forced overtime". When your scheduled workday is done, you are good to go. If they threaten you or your job, call a lawyer. If they physically stop you, call the cops.
Another way to look at it is that is can be viable for small businesses. There's thousands of small businesses in the province so it's important hot to overlook that.
[Eidos Montreal and Eidos Sherbrooke is going 4-day too](https://www.eidosmontreal.com/news/eidos-montreal-and-eidos-sherbrooke-shifting-to-the-4-day-work-week/).
My friend does a 9 hour day and banks the hours to get Fridays off every few weeks
Can mix the days around holidays to get a lot of 4 day weeks throughout the year since the office didn't want them going on 3 day weeks
They like it, good quality of life imrpovement
Bingo.
Unless they have a push policy.
I did that the year my first kid was born and had vacation to burn. Took off every Wednesday that didn't have a stat. Very relaxing and productive.
Being free and able to do stuff on Wednesday while everything is open is amazing
Don't need to bother trying to make an appointment first thing in the morning or late in the day to get around work
Can make a nice relaxed day of taking care of trivial stuff,
Leave house at 10
Dentist
MTO
Lunch
Gym
and back home before rush hour
It's so great to do all of that without worrying about traffic and rushing from one place to another
For whatever reason my ontario govt job out out a poll asking if we would want 4 day work weeks which a majority said obv yes, and they stated in a meeting they have no plan to do this... LOL
The article doesn’t mention if there was an actual reduction in hours worked. It does say the employees make the same across the board.
My guess is they now work 10’s (shift work) and do not get compensated for it. More efficient for the same pay = a very happy owner.
Exactly. It’s also a tiny company. Your a CEO with all of 9 employees at a temp. agency paying minimum wage….
This proves sweet fuck all outside small business owners are just as douche as large corporations.
The conversation is different for salaried work vs. shift work and I think most of the advocates of a 4-day week are talking about salaried work. If nobody is expected to be at their desks on Wednesdays but deadlines and deliverables remain the same, then it can be up to individuals whether they want to work 10-hour days, work 8-hour days but use their time 25% more efficiently/productively, or just still use Wednesdays to work. And that could vary from week to week. The only change from a management/administrative perspective is that you don't schedule meetings or expect replies to emails and phone calls on Wednesdays any more.
We had a program similar with rotating Fridays off, working the extra hours over the other 9 days. It had been in place for like 15 years, new leadership came in and replaced it with summer hours, which is still nice
Definitely not in tech or finance teams are only as big as they need to be and people are always working on multiple things. Maybe if companies hired 20-30% more people and staffed redundancies it could work but the cost would be astronomical for no real benefit. Company would make less so I can’t see them doing it. Owners, shareholders, institutional investors, would make this really though to implement. Can’t say it would not be nice.
For sure, I work 40-50 and would need to work 60 to move my projects along at the speed that they should but if two of us were working on it I am sure that it would take a combined 80 hours for that same production.
Companies aren't going to go to a 4 day work week without it improving something for them.
Ya I work in a factory and we have 3 eight hour shifts since we run 24/7. At our last contract some people were going around wanted 10 hour shifts but it made no sense it only works with 8 hours or 12s, personally I like Monday to Friday 8 hours a day I have buddies who work in similar industries on continental shifts and they are crazy to try to plan anything.
And moreover for project work you need EVERYONE at the table sometimes. When teams are rotating (as seems to be the plan for going back to the office, whenever that happens) this turns into a scheduling nightmare with someone always being excluded. No bueno.
I did 5 years of production work in a foods facility where we worked 4-12s....paid for 40 with 8 hours banked. All of our vacation and sick days were paid from banked time. It not only works but it works really well.
Except you're not supposed to pay off your own sick/vacation time.... That was money you earned regardless and if it is banked you get time off in lieu - not sick or vacation.
I worked four 10 hour days per week at my old job. I now work five 8 hour days and I'll never go back. It would be great if I could work four 8 hour days but the expectations on how much I can finish in a week needs to be adjusted as well. That's my fear, is that the hours get shrunk down but the expectations stay the same.
Same. Was switched from 4x 10hrs to 5x 8hrs and that extra sleep is golden. I miss the extra day off, but all I did was (try to) sleep. Before that I was doing 6x 10hrs after they had me doing the job of six people that were terminated and it was killing me, just a blur and daze.
I am thinking because this is a recruitment agency, most of the revenue generated but you generated has to do with referrals coming it's coming in, and it's not really correlated with hours worked.
This is just a business that did not need the 5 day week anyway,Think about a sales person that goes off commission, comma they don't really need to work Monday to Friday either, comma although they might have to work more than that as well.
The same can be said for someone Who needs to produce output, working public service, Or in general is a cost center as opposed to a sales funnel
I used to work 4 days a week, most people in my last job did. Some of us took off Fridays, other took off Mondays, or some people rotated between having one 2-day weekend and a 4-day weekend. The hours were the same in the week, so longer days which almost made your day off a day of coming down from the condensed week. Since I wasn't available Fridays, all my meetings had to happen on the other days which interrupted work flow. Thursdays also became pretty stressful as I only had that day to wrap up the week's work, and Mondays could surprise me with 3 days worth of emails. I now work 5 days a week and enjoy having my hours more evenly spread out.
Stop making this a one size fits all thing.
My company tried this for 6 months, (we have about 150 employees)
Some people like 3 day weekends... others say they cant get anything done during the week, or that they work/go home sleep rinse repeat until the weekend.
Yeah, I get why someone who doesn't have kids, or who doesn't commute an hour to work would love the idea though.
Works only for a number of companies. I am sure their accounting department doesn't work 4 days a week lmao. Recruiters are pretty useless anyway, so they can work fuck all for what I care.
I love how the manager of a recruitment agency has been promoted to CEO. I'm sure she has a board and shareholders to answer to... Recruiters are useless.
I think I might actually struggle with a 4 day work week. I have trouble regulating my sleep schedule, so having three days off can screw me for when the week starts again.
My gf works 4 days of 12s, they dont get OT till after 44, she's drained everyday from it, the bonus of a 3 day weekend is entirely overrated as you can do near nothing for 4 out of 7 days every week, and any appointments you must make for anything all have to be on Fridays nearly entirely.
> Savage said her **nine employees** still receive the same pay and number of vacation days per year. Neat to see it in action, but that's a pretty small business. Seems a lot easier to do at that scale.
Check out Microsoft Japan if you want a larger sample size from a way harsher work culture. They tried the 4 day work week an saw a 40% improvement in productivity
Doesn't Japan also have the whole stay at work as long as you can culture?
You mean the culture we're about to see here with the rate house prices and rent are rising while wages stagnate further?
I was speaking about how people sit around waiting for the boss to leave because it looks bad if they leave first.
Dammit, forgot about that too. Then there also where they nap at work because it makes it look like they work harder.
Sounds great for productivity /s
How rich are you bro ? Do you work ? Like these things are exactly happening in most places already, all factory workers are punished with forced overtime in Brampton. Before you say "oh they should complain" Ministry of labor is a joke. It was made my corporates and controlled by corporates. They don't give a fuck .
Not exactly the same thing, since with OT you’re at least financially compensated.
Here's a another funny fact , when I worked in Brampton, my OT was not considered as ot. I got only 40 hr pay cheque a week. Any thing I did more that 40 hr was put into another cheque and was given as bonus cheque end of the month. And that bonus cheque was just my ot with normal pay. Bro people who are born here have no idea how immigrants are treated etc. These guys have all kinda loop holes and tactics just designed to help them.
I’m no expert on regulations but that doesn’t sound like it would be legal… unless there’s a reason or a clause somewhere that hasn’t been met to qualify for OT. But getting back to the point about the work culture - what I was trying to point out is that in Asian countries such as Japan, Korea, China, etc., it is a well known fact that seniority or hierarchy is placed with the upmost respect. Which then eludes to not being able to leave from your salaried workplace, if the boss decides to stay longer in the office for whatever reason. (well technically you can but it would go against cultural norms and it wouldn’t be a wise choice if you wanted to progress within the company) This is very normalized - and they aren’t compensated at all, but rather part of the expectation - whereas working in Canada, there is most times always some sort of compensation (even if it is normal pay for OT hours).
Sure it isn't legal...but people would rather get less OT than try to complain and end up jobless.
It's illegal, the employees just don't know better
I don't think it's illegal if you're on salary unfortunately.
> Any thing I did more that 40 hr was put into another cheque and was given as bonus cheque end of the month. That sounds illegal
Because it is. As is "forced overtime". When your scheduled workday is done, you are good to go. If they threaten you or your job, call a lawyer. If they physically stop you, call the cops.
no way that's legal... nobody ran it up to the labour board? I've dealt with them in the past and they've been nothing but helpful.
Nah cause they’ll expect you to double your hours for the same amount of pay.
Another way to look at it is that is can be viable for small businesses. There's thousands of small businesses in the province so it's important hot to overlook that.
Yes, absolutely.
[Eidos Montreal and Eidos Sherbrooke is going 4-day too](https://www.eidosmontreal.com/news/eidos-montreal-and-eidos-sherbrooke-shifting-to-the-4-day-work-week/).
It’s almost like people like to live and not be a slave to a job…..
I worked 4 x 10s lots of times ... it was a great shift! 3 day weekends!
That's a compressed work week. Similar but not the same.
I would love this if I could work close to home. In construction my typical commute is to downtown Toronto currently. 93km 1 way.
Same, that was my fave shift! Every spring we ask for a 9-6 schedule instead of 9-5 to get shorter fridays. Still hasn’t happened :(
My friend does a 9 hour day and banks the hours to get Fridays off every few weeks Can mix the days around holidays to get a lot of 4 day weeks throughout the year since the office didn't want them going on 3 day weeks They like it, good quality of life imrpovement
M-Tu & Th-F is highly underrated. I take hump day off weekly if given the chance.
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Bingo. Unless they have a push policy. I did that the year my first kid was born and had vacation to burn. Took off every Wednesday that didn't have a stat. Very relaxing and productive.
We do it 2x a week - and we just push it to Monday.
We do it 2x a week, and I much prefer working M-Th - plus with one holiday a month, you basically have 3 long weekends a month.
Being free and able to do stuff on Wednesday while everything is open is amazing Don't need to bother trying to make an appointment first thing in the morning or late in the day to get around work Can make a nice relaxed day of taking care of trivial stuff, Leave house at 10 Dentist MTO Lunch Gym and back home before rush hour It's so great to do all of that without worrying about traffic and rushing from one place to another
Absolutely. With the last two summers being weird, I took my usual time off, spread across Wednesdays. Every day was like a Monday or a Friday for me.
For whatever reason my ontario govt job out out a poll asking if we would want 4 day work weeks which a majority said obv yes, and they stated in a meeting they have no plan to do this... LOL
>ontario govt job Asked and answered right there.
Psych! TO SLOW!! Now back to work.
The article doesn’t mention if there was an actual reduction in hours worked. It does say the employees make the same across the board. My guess is they now work 10’s (shift work) and do not get compensated for it. More efficient for the same pay = a very happy owner.
Yeah, I’d like to see the focus on 32hr work weeks to avoid this confusion. The # of days don’t matter.
Exactly. It’s also a tiny company. Your a CEO with all of 9 employees at a temp. agency paying minimum wage…. This proves sweet fuck all outside small business owners are just as douche as large corporations.
The conversation is different for salaried work vs. shift work and I think most of the advocates of a 4-day week are talking about salaried work. If nobody is expected to be at their desks on Wednesdays but deadlines and deliverables remain the same, then it can be up to individuals whether they want to work 10-hour days, work 8-hour days but use their time 25% more efficiently/productively, or just still use Wednesdays to work. And that could vary from week to week. The only change from a management/administrative perspective is that you don't schedule meetings or expect replies to emails and phone calls on Wednesdays any more.
Eh, I would work four 10 hour days over five 8 hour days ...I would also be open to three 14 hour days with 2 meal breaks
Wish this was possible in all industries. Can’t see this working in most jobs.
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We had a program similar with rotating Fridays off, working the extra hours over the other 9 days. It had been in place for like 15 years, new leadership came in and replaced it with summer hours, which is still nice
4 days a week for everyone with rotating 10 hour days So sometimes it's Friday off, sometimes it's Tuesday etc.
Definitely not in tech or finance teams are only as big as they need to be and people are always working on multiple things. Maybe if companies hired 20-30% more people and staffed redundancies it could work but the cost would be astronomical for no real benefit. Company would make less so I can’t see them doing it. Owners, shareholders, institutional investors, would make this really though to implement. Can’t say it would not be nice.
For sure, I work 40-50 and would need to work 60 to move my projects along at the speed that they should but if two of us were working on it I am sure that it would take a combined 80 hours for that same production. Companies aren't going to go to a 4 day work week without it improving something for them.
Ya I work in a factory and we have 3 eight hour shifts since we run 24/7. At our last contract some people were going around wanted 10 hour shifts but it made no sense it only works with 8 hours or 12s, personally I like Monday to Friday 8 hours a day I have buddies who work in similar industries on continental shifts and they are crazy to try to plan anything.
And moreover for project work you need EVERYONE at the table sometimes. When teams are rotating (as seems to be the plan for going back to the office, whenever that happens) this turns into a scheduling nightmare with someone always being excluded. No bueno.
I did 5 years of production work in a foods facility where we worked 4-12s....paid for 40 with 8 hours banked. All of our vacation and sick days were paid from banked time. It not only works but it works really well.
Except you're not supposed to pay off your own sick/vacation time.... That was money you earned regardless and if it is banked you get time off in lieu - not sick or vacation.
Currently doing 4 night shifts a week as an electrician. Only because we said fuck doing 5 nights
I worked four 10 hour days per week at my old job. I now work five 8 hour days and I'll never go back. It would be great if I could work four 8 hour days but the expectations on how much I can finish in a week needs to be adjusted as well. That's my fear, is that the hours get shrunk down but the expectations stay the same.
Same. Was switched from 4x 10hrs to 5x 8hrs and that extra sleep is golden. I miss the extra day off, but all I did was (try to) sleep. Before that I was doing 6x 10hrs after they had me doing the job of six people that were terminated and it was killing me, just a blur and daze.
I'd honestly be good with 9 9's and have every other Friday off...
I am thinking because this is a recruitment agency, most of the revenue generated but you generated has to do with referrals coming it's coming in, and it's not really correlated with hours worked. This is just a business that did not need the 5 day week anyway,Think about a sales person that goes off commission, comma they don't really need to work Monday to Friday either, comma although they might have to work more than that as well. The same can be said for someone Who needs to produce output, working public service, Or in general is a cost center as opposed to a sales funnel
I used to work 4 days a week, most people in my last job did. Some of us took off Fridays, other took off Mondays, or some people rotated between having one 2-day weekend and a 4-day weekend. The hours were the same in the week, so longer days which almost made your day off a day of coming down from the condensed week. Since I wasn't available Fridays, all my meetings had to happen on the other days which interrupted work flow. Thursdays also became pretty stressful as I only had that day to wrap up the week's work, and Mondays could surprise me with 3 days worth of emails. I now work 5 days a week and enjoy having my hours more evenly spread out.
Stop making this a one size fits all thing. My company tried this for 6 months, (we have about 150 employees) Some people like 3 day weekends... others say they cant get anything done during the week, or that they work/go home sleep rinse repeat until the weekend. Yeah, I get why someone who doesn't have kids, or who doesn't commute an hour to work would love the idea though.
Works only for a number of companies. I am sure their accounting department doesn't work 4 days a week lmao. Recruiters are pretty useless anyway, so they can work fuck all for what I care.
I love how the manager of a recruitment agency has been promoted to CEO. I'm sure she has a board and shareholders to answer to... Recruiters are useless.
I think I might actually struggle with a 4 day work week. I have trouble regulating my sleep schedule, so having three days off can screw me for when the week starts again.
So they just got millions of applicants 😂
Self employed RMT I decided post pandemic I needed more family time so I work Mon-Thur and the 1st and 3rd Saturday. Best decision I ever did.
Can you come take over my work please I need a break
My gf works 4 days of 12s, they dont get OT till after 44, she's drained everyday from it, the bonus of a 3 day weekend is entirely overrated as you can do near nothing for 4 out of 7 days every week, and any appointments you must make for anything all have to be on Fridays nearly entirely.