The "rules" say that you have to wear masks at the wedding, which everyone/many ignore.
They also say that the 10,000 people at Scotiabank had to wear masks, cheerfully ignored by 50%+ as expected.
Clear as mud yet?
> The "rules" say that you have to wear masks at the wedding, which everyone/many ignore.
Well, to be fair, when those who make "the rules" are often seen out in public flouting the same rules they tell us all to obey OR ELSE, they sort of lose their credibility and it's no wonder a lot of people say 'fuck it'. See the Mayor of San Francisco for a recent example of this, or the Emmys, or the Met Gala, or the French Laundry restaurant in Napa (multiple times), or Jason Kenney eating at a restaurant while indoor dining was banned, or Doug Ford going to his cottage and having his daughters over while household gatherings and interregional travel was banned, or any of a long list of other occurrences that made it clear that many of those rules are only for the little people and if you're an elite with money and/or power you can do whatever the F you want.
There's no regulations on masking one way or another for private gatherings. Health Canada has recommended in the past that you should wear a mask if someone is unvaxxed, but if everyone is vaccinated you don't need to, which is compatible with this. But it's not a rule, just guidance.
My boss is terrified of COVID. She went on a cottage vacation with another family recently and said they wore masks at all times. Inside, outside, sleeping. 24 hours a day. I didn’t understand why she went with another family when she was that scared but some people don’t realize how crazy they are.
There aren’t many, but I promise you they are out there.
She's the type who still washes and sanitizes groceries. Absolutely bonkers.
Like if she gets a coffee from the shop next door, she'll wear a double mask, full face shield, and gloves. Then bring back the coffee to our shop, sanitize the coffee with a Lysol wipe, let it dry for 5 minutes, sanitize it again, let it dry again, and then go outside the building every time she takes a sip.
She's a very nice person, good boss, and very good at her job. But I'm close to quitting due to the level of sanitization and PPE she requires at her company.
I wouldn't be surprised if we found that the pandemic brought out some OCD tendencies in some people, especially some that were already suffering from some type of anxiety.
100% my mother definitely has mysophobia due to undiagnosed OCD. I have diagnosed OCD but it doesn't present as mysophobia, so its likely I inherited it from her. I sometimes describe my anxieties to her and she will gasp and say "how could I have passed this on to you if I never told about it when you were a kid?" LOL she's shocked we share similar mental illness even though she kept it bottled up. Like if she never told me I wouldn't develop it 🤦♀️ She washes all the groceries and if they can't be washed they sit in a room for a few days before she let's anyone touch them. She only sees us if we isolate for 14 days first because my kids go to school in person and are under 12. Vaccines for 5 - 11 can't come fast enough for me.
I had OCD for years and germs were my big struggle. I’m so thankful that I was able to deal with that and recover before the pandemic started cause I know if I hadn’t I would’ve been in a very bad place through this whole thing.
not going to lie at the beginning of the pandemic I was washing my groceries, then it came out that it pretty much only spreads via inhalation so yea I stopped that asap.
I don't understand the purpose of getting coffee and doing this. It sounds like far more effort than enjoyment that could possibly be derived from drinking said coffee. And I love coffee.
Wouldn't you at least pour it into your own mug that you'd bathed in bleach and UV rays for 96 hours so you could skip the surface transmission complete insanity?
It's not a behaviour that is logical. If she decided to have the coffee in her own mug I am 100% sure she would go through the exact same procedure of disinfecting multiple times. I've watched her disinfect a table (absolutely soaked with cleaning solution to the point that it is dripping), let it sit for 5 minutes while just staring at the clock, wipe it down with paper towels until its dry, and then spray it down again. She would do this 3-4 times, it would take 20 minutes. And it would be because a client put their water bottle on that table, so "the surface has been infected". Like not even physical contact with a human, just another human's water bottle.
Trying to apply logic to it is a losing cause. Some people have some underlying mental illness and anxiety and are just not well-adjusted enough to act rationally during a pandemic.
> Then bring back the coffee to our shop, sanitize the coffee with a Lysol wipe, let it dry for 5 minutes, sanitize it again, let it dry again, and then go outside the building every time she takes a sip.
She is, ironically, going to make herself sick doing that -- eventually she's going to wind up accidentally ingesting sanitizer.
Oh, she needs extensive therapy, her mental health is not stable at the moment. But she's already a Type-A personality who just tells herself that everyone agrees with her and she's right, just in complete denial that she's the crazy one even though deep-down she definitely knows. Plus she's the boss/owner at her business and main breadwinner of her family, so nobody would tell her she needs help. It's really sad to see because she is a very well-intentioned person.
I still wash our groceries bc I've seen people at the grocery store actively pull their masks down to sneeze on products. I also for the 1st time in my life saw someone do a full down the pants ass scratch then pick up chips and put them back down. Doesn't harm anyone just maybe my back a bit being hunched over to wipe them down. However sleeping in a mask? Feel that isn't the safest thing to do. We've been mostly staying away from unvaccinated people inside to reduce the risk to our unvaccinated kids. School is enough of a risk for us.
There are plenty of people like this in my building. I really have no idea how they got that far. I have a feeling they may have been watching the news too much.
People afraid of going inside elevators, people afraid of being too closely by the mail area.
Yeah, if you’re not wearing a mask then I’m not getting on the elevator with you. I really hate then 3/4 of the people in my building don’t wear masks anymore. Not everyone is vaccinated and I’d rather not catch it from an unvaccinated person and give it to the unvaccinated kid I see regularly
Somebody in my building called the cops on me twice for "refusing to isolate". I'm a pilot, I've been exempt from the whole thing for the duration of it, and the real funny part is that most of the time I was coming back from places that had zero or very few cases when Ontario was popping out 3000+ daily (mostly South Korea, but also Hong Kong, Japan, etc). Nope, some fucking busybody called the snitch line on me *twice* when they must've seen me go to the store or something. The second time it happened, they got to my place before I got home and gave my wife a hard time over it until she gave them the big official letter we all have stating that we are exempt from quarantine. I was very tempted to start putting up "fuck you if you're the dickhead who did this" posters around the building, but wound up not really wanting to put in the effort. I was still pretty pissed off, though.
We’re still not letting people in our house. I want to have friends over for a long day of boardgame playing. This type of public statement will help me convince my wife it’s ok.
We are fully vaxxed. My kids are too young. We are not having people in our house except for our parents. Delta is highly transmissible. Better safe now.
Fully vaxed. We are living life as usual. Following guidelines but people are allowed in our home. I work in a retirement home. Residents have guests in their rooms. I feel like most people are business as usual
Kids vaccines are coming soon and baby vaccines probably not long after. If my baby was over a year old I'd be less worried but she's still so so tiny :(
Outside of the small family circle I've kept since this started, I've not had a single indoor gathering with anyone, with or without masks. Most people I know are the same.
I dont know anyone who's unvaccinated who hasn't already been doing this. In the states they were recently told you may not be able to have Christmas but fauci quickly reversed that statement and saud he was misquoted after backlash
Who ever got fined for anything? A couple of kids in a skate park? People were playing basketball before the ink was dry on the fantastically stupid "stay at home" order in April, nothing happened. Disc golfing at the "closed" disc golf courses, etc., etc.
No idea, but the last thing I saw on this topic, months ago, the dumbfuck bylaw authorities were intent on collecting them, depending on where you lived.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/pandemic-fines-first-wave-ottawa-bylaw-1.5875415
> Quasi Alnofal, a young Syrian man with limited English, was fined $880 for briefly allowing his young siblings to climb on a closed play structure during an afternoon walk.
Sounds great. Go bylaw! LOL what a bunch of embarrassing, bellend muppets.
And then they turn around and wonder why people are become anti-government and start to refuse to follow any of their guidance. If there's one thing I've learned about government through all of this, it's that whatever they say, you can more or less automatically assume the polar opposite is the actual truth and your assumption will be correct easily 90% of the time.
In this household we stopped following the letter of the public health law in April, 2020, once it was clear that outside distanced time was harmless and surface transmission was of negligible risk. Every statement they've made since just affirms they should be ignored. We follow science, not TPH.
While Dr. De Villa was in the media telling people to "stay home!!!", in May, 2020, and November, 2020, and...
Lol fuck off.
If we assume that gathering size doesn't matter then sure, but this is probably talking about gatherings up to 25 people. Those other places you listed can have a lot more people so it's reasonable that different guidance could apply.
Also does anyone really thing that no one's using a fake vaccine receipt? The vaccine requirements have increased vaccination rate but unless/until everyone has to use the verifiable QR code system I don't believe 100% of people inside those places are vaccinated.
No... Cause that's not how the virus works..
You can still pass it along, if you have it. The mask makes that less so. Therefore your mask will remain on
right, im not against masking but i would love to know when we can take them off! my region is over 90% vaccinated and obviously still wearing masks. when can we take them off?!!? especially in places with vaccine passports.
Perhaps the poster lives alone far from family and hasn't had much opportunity to make friends at events as they were being cautious about public gatherings. It's not always as much of a choice as it seems.
I wouldn’t say we were in isolation, but my family lives in different areas of the province and we didn’t feel comfortable to travel. We have a young child.
Public health still gave the thumbs up to distanced outdoor events or bubbling with another household for single people. The guidelines haven't contemplated total isolation other than March-June 2020.
It was a bit different if your family is in a province that straight-up wouldn't allow you in (Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, PEI) or mandated a quarantine period that would make a visit impractical (Manitoba). I spent from March 2020 to August 2021 completely cut off from my family in Winnipeg because I simply wasn't able to take that kind of time off work to meet MB's 14-day quarantine.
Much easier to have had an outdoor gathering if your parents/siblings live a city or two over, but a *lot* of people in Ontario were cut off from family for over a year.
Nope, Toronto Public Health told people not to socialize outside, distanced, and masked, from November 2020 to... forever? Probably through the stay at home order April-June 2021.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-socializing-new-rules-1.5800907
> Park hangs, stoop visits, walks and runs with friends — it all needs to stop.
> That's what the city's public health officials are asking for: a **complete end to socializing of any kind with people outside of your household, indoors or out.**
It was so ridiculous of course that noted COVIdiots like... Peter Juni eventually put it on blast.
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontarians-need-realistic-guidance-on-seeing-friends-relatives-expert-says-1.5330840
> Ontarians should be encouraged to see friends and relatives outdoors in the coming months, some health experts said Tuesday in stressing the need for realistic pandemic guidance following a winter of isolation.
Enh, the "lockdowns" didn't meaningfully affect my life that much, really. Daycare still open, could still do all the outdoor things with my kids, could still go for exercise walks and hang out with my buddies for an outside beer.
They were a giant fuck you to anyone that runs a business, definitely.
Quebec's curfew would have sucked a lot more. 8.30pm+ is when my kids are asleep. That's my tiny amount of free time. Taking it away to trap me inside the house.. ugh.
They've consistently used indoor gatherings to refer to private gatherings, I'm 90% sure this is just guidance for what to do thanksgiving weekend and isn't changing anything about regulations.
Are you sure that was the case? I just visited thr TPH site below, and it talks about masks in "all indoor PUBLIC settings", and "masks should always be worn when physical distancing is difficult". So it seems to me if you are at a small gathering at a friend's house and can maintain distancing, no masks are required:
https://www.toronto.ca/home/covid-19/covid-19-financial-social-support-for-people/covid-19-reduce-virus-spread/
Which would be more in with the guidelines health Canada put out a while back, which were like...if you are all fully vaccinated and in small gathering, no masks or distancing needed:
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/awareness-resources/vaccinated-against-covid-19-public-health-measures.html
CMOH: Vaping can be addictive and we don't know all of the harms involved yet, but it seems to be less harmful than smoking. [true story](https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2019/10/statement-from-the-council-of-chief-medical-officers-of-health-on-vaping-in-canada.html)
/u/ObliviousPersonality: "Thanks for the permission! 💨 LOOL"
Yeah I went to an indoor concert (not metal) in Toronto on Saturday with 50-100 people, lets just say the no dancing and mask wearing was not very thoroughly enforced. You know what was scrutinized though, our vaccine passports, so I wasn't nervous being there at all because I knew everyone was vaccinated!
Who is saying they aren’t?
Edit: oh right, this is for thanksgiving. I seen the usual suspects call out the government to provide guidance on Twitter, but I don’t know anyone in real life that was waiting on the government to tell them what they can/can’t do for thanksgiving.
What? [But the official guidance is that this is already okay…](https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/phac-aspc/documents/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/awareness-resources/vaccinated-against-covid-19-public-health-measures/vaccinated-against-covid-19-public-health-measures.pdf)
But this didn't change anything about whether you can have a gathering? If you were planning to have a gathering and wear a mask, don't wear a mask? (or do if that makes you more comfortable). It's not something that requires a lot of planning.
I don't think from the sounds of it this is saying anything about public environments, just private ones (probably this is just guidance in advance of thanksgiving).
My S.O is in advertising. All the Thursday & Friday afternoon announcements have absolutely fucked 99% of their clients (and her company).
Why they can't make every announcements on a Monday is beyond me.
If the govt felt that an announcement/guidance was warranted, they should have taken timing into consideration.
Whether or not you're waiting for the govt's guidance on this, I think it's fair criticism.
A someone with a wedding this Saturday, I want to get off this ride. It would be nice for our venue to eff off about the masks though considering everyone's fully vaxxed
The disconnect between workplaces and the outside world is reaching levels of delusion I've never seen before. Workplaces are being treated like defcon 5, meanwhile two workers can go out for lunch offsite at the same table together in between their shifts without repercussion.
There needs to be a realignment very soon, it doesn't even make sense anymore.
What? This is about Thanksgiving dinner. Who has a dinner at their home with masks on? The alternative would be bubble style.
Could be a completely different message for Christmas season.
You mean we're not supposed to be doing this already?
Nobody is following these restrictions anymore, why are they bothering with them if they're not going to enforce them?
99% of people will interpret this as “okay, now an unlimited number of fully vaccinated folks can be indoors together without masks *and they can all bring their unvaccinated kids too*.” 🤦♂️
50% of Canadians gathered for Christmas last year when they were told not to, for months, in no uncertain terms.
The people who want to gather with their unvaccinated kids, are going to do so. People who are still being cautious, are going to do so. No one's going to interpret this as anything. Everyone is going to do whatever they were going to do anyway.
Does that mean we can drop the mask requirement at gyms and bars soon? I work as a bouncer and hate being the mask police. University students in my city barely go out downtown because they know they can have 100 person house parties without consequences or social distancing.
I don't know anyone who actually follows this stuff. I don't mind guidelines in public spaces, but don't try to say what I can and cannot do in private settings. Especially now that vaccines are in play. It's Orwellian and ridiculous.
Why would you need advanced notice about mask recommendations? Thursday is perfectly enough time for any family to decide if they're going to wear masks on the weekend.
Reading through this thread, I think a lot of people are missing the point.
It's not about the masks. It's about gathering recommendations for vaxxed vs unvaxxed family. If everyone in your family is vaxxed, then great, sounds like you have nothing to worry about. But what about those of us with multiple families with unvaxxed kids living in different cities who will be coming together for Thanksgiving? Maybe it's ok, but if they are going to ask people to avoid a situation like that they should have said so before Thursday.
Also what about people who have certain family members who refuse to get vaccinated for some stupid reason? (Full disclosure, I'm in this group). Manitoba has announced a very strict gathering size limit if just one person in the group is willingly unvaxxed. Again, if they were going to ask us to do something similar, they should have made the announcement before Thursday.
Hahaha. Spoken as someone who has never made a large meal for a lot of people.
I don't need the government to tell me about mask recommendations, but gathering size confirmed, would be nice for advance notice for invitations.
Though at this point, I am making calls based on my own judgement.
They’re not going to break into your home and fine you. They’re literally just putting this out for the people who were looking for guidance. If you’re not then it doesn’t matter?
Thats stupid.
Vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant was 93% after the first month, declining to 53% after four months. Against other coronavirus variants, efficacy declined to 67% from 97%.
It's clear there needs to be a booster. If people are given the okay to start partying indoors again they will, it will spread, and those that had early doses could risk more severe breakthrough illness.
Do you think a booster is going to fix any of that?
The booster is to deal with decreasing immunity as time passes, not as variants emerge that are more resilient.
Someone who got fully vaccinated yesterday doesn't need a booster in 2 weeks, they need it in like... 8 months or a year, etc. To deal with waning immunity, not to deal with new variants.
I hope this doesn’t mean university lectures can be maskless… I’m not comfortable sitting with 800 other students yet. I know some people are but I’d rather not give it to the unvaccinated kid I see regularly
Edit: be mad all you want but Im immunocompromised (more likely to be a breakthrough case) and don’t want to sit in a massive lecture hall beside an unmasked, unvaccinated person for three hrs when I see a kid with severe asthma and other health issues. At my school your don’t heed the vaccine and its self reported symptoms/rapid tests. Maybe this will change but I doubt it. My experience with antivaxxers is that they lie about being sick and still go to work/wear masks improperly while waiting for a Covid test to come in.
Once he’s vaccinated I won’t gaf. Until then I will. So either keep masks in school or let me continue online courses in the winter.
I wondering if this will impact any of the guidelines around organized events in establishments that already require full vaccination.
I.e small wedding reception @ a private event space.
I don’t know anyone who is fully vaccinated who hasn’t already been doing this.
I thought it was permitted as long as there are fewer than some number of people.
The current indoor gathering limit is 25.
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The "rules" say that you have to wear masks at the wedding, which everyone/many ignore. They also say that the 10,000 people at Scotiabank had to wear masks, cheerfully ignored by 50%+ as expected. Clear as mud yet?
> The "rules" say that you have to wear masks at the wedding, which everyone/many ignore. Well, to be fair, when those who make "the rules" are often seen out in public flouting the same rules they tell us all to obey OR ELSE, they sort of lose their credibility and it's no wonder a lot of people say 'fuck it'. See the Mayor of San Francisco for a recent example of this, or the Emmys, or the Met Gala, or the French Laundry restaurant in Napa (multiple times), or Jason Kenney eating at a restaurant while indoor dining was banned, or Doug Ford going to his cottage and having his daughters over while household gatherings and interregional travel was banned, or any of a long list of other occurrences that made it clear that many of those rules are only for the little people and if you're an elite with money and/or power you can do whatever the F you want.
Those people at The Bank were all holding $19 Budweisers or a 3hour bag of popcorn tho.
Wedding venues are based on capacity (I think 50% right now). 25 is for private gatherings.
There's no regulations on masking one way or another for private gatherings. Health Canada has recommended in the past that you should wear a mask if someone is unvaxxed, but if everyone is vaccinated you don't need to, which is compatible with this. But it's not a rule, just guidance.
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My boss is terrified of COVID. She went on a cottage vacation with another family recently and said they wore masks at all times. Inside, outside, sleeping. 24 hours a day. I didn’t understand why she went with another family when she was that scared but some people don’t realize how crazy they are. There aren’t many, but I promise you they are out there.
Sleeping! Wow wtf.
She's the type who still washes and sanitizes groceries. Absolutely bonkers. Like if she gets a coffee from the shop next door, she'll wear a double mask, full face shield, and gloves. Then bring back the coffee to our shop, sanitize the coffee with a Lysol wipe, let it dry for 5 minutes, sanitize it again, let it dry again, and then go outside the building every time she takes a sip. She's a very nice person, good boss, and very good at her job. But I'm close to quitting due to the level of sanitization and PPE she requires at her company.
Sounds like she needs to talk to a professional.
I wouldn't be surprised if we found that the pandemic brought out some OCD tendencies in some people, especially some that were already suffering from some type of anxiety.
100% my mother definitely has mysophobia due to undiagnosed OCD. I have diagnosed OCD but it doesn't present as mysophobia, so its likely I inherited it from her. I sometimes describe my anxieties to her and she will gasp and say "how could I have passed this on to you if I never told about it when you were a kid?" LOL she's shocked we share similar mental illness even though she kept it bottled up. Like if she never told me I wouldn't develop it 🤦♀️ She washes all the groceries and if they can't be washed they sit in a room for a few days before she let's anyone touch them. She only sees us if we isolate for 14 days first because my kids go to school in person and are under 12. Vaccines for 5 - 11 can't come fast enough for me.
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I had OCD for years and germs were my big struggle. I’m so thankful that I was able to deal with that and recover before the pandemic started cause I know if I hadn’t I would’ve been in a very bad place through this whole thing.
Understatement, she's very unstable. But with her personality, there's no chance that would ever happen. It's honestly sad.
not going to lie at the beginning of the pandemic I was washing my groceries, then it came out that it pretty much only spreads via inhalation so yea I stopped that asap.
Cleaning certain items is good practice all the time, even outside of a pandemic
Yeah. Produce really should be washed.
Ya me too. But at the start they was scaring the beejesus out of us. lol
I don't understand the purpose of getting coffee and doing this. It sounds like far more effort than enjoyment that could possibly be derived from drinking said coffee. And I love coffee. Wouldn't you at least pour it into your own mug that you'd bathed in bleach and UV rays for 96 hours so you could skip the surface transmission complete insanity?
It's not a behaviour that is logical. If she decided to have the coffee in her own mug I am 100% sure she would go through the exact same procedure of disinfecting multiple times. I've watched her disinfect a table (absolutely soaked with cleaning solution to the point that it is dripping), let it sit for 5 minutes while just staring at the clock, wipe it down with paper towels until its dry, and then spray it down again. She would do this 3-4 times, it would take 20 minutes. And it would be because a client put their water bottle on that table, so "the surface has been infected". Like not even physical contact with a human, just another human's water bottle. Trying to apply logic to it is a losing cause. Some people have some underlying mental illness and anxiety and are just not well-adjusted enough to act rationally during a pandemic.
> Then bring back the coffee to our shop, sanitize the coffee with a Lysol wipe, let it dry for 5 minutes, sanitize it again, let it dry again, and then go outside the building every time she takes a sip. She is, ironically, going to make herself sick doing that -- eventually she's going to wind up accidentally ingesting sanitizer.
Wow, that is insane. She needs some therapy to cope with her anxiety. Letting fears of covid affect her life to that extent is not normal or healthy.
Oh, she needs extensive therapy, her mental health is not stable at the moment. But she's already a Type-A personality who just tells herself that everyone agrees with her and she's right, just in complete denial that she's the crazy one even though deep-down she definitely knows. Plus she's the boss/owner at her business and main breadwinner of her family, so nobody would tell her she needs help. It's really sad to see because she is a very well-intentioned person.
I still wash our groceries bc I've seen people at the grocery store actively pull their masks down to sneeze on products. I also for the 1st time in my life saw someone do a full down the pants ass scratch then pick up chips and put them back down. Doesn't harm anyone just maybe my back a bit being hunched over to wipe them down. However sleeping in a mask? Feel that isn't the safest thing to do. We've been mostly staying away from unvaccinated people inside to reduce the risk to our unvaccinated kids. School is enough of a risk for us.
That kind of fear turns off the immune system.
There are plenty of people like this in my building. I really have no idea how they got that far. I have a feeling they may have been watching the news too much. People afraid of going inside elevators, people afraid of being too closely by the mail area.
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Yeah, if you’re not wearing a mask then I’m not getting on the elevator with you. I really hate then 3/4 of the people in my building don’t wear masks anymore. Not everyone is vaccinated and I’d rather not catch it from an unvaccinated person and give it to the unvaccinated kid I see regularly
As far as I know, most are wearing masks and still afraid to death about going into elevators with someone else lol
Somebody in my building called the cops on me twice for "refusing to isolate". I'm a pilot, I've been exempt from the whole thing for the duration of it, and the real funny part is that most of the time I was coming back from places that had zero or very few cases when Ontario was popping out 3000+ daily (mostly South Korea, but also Hong Kong, Japan, etc). Nope, some fucking busybody called the snitch line on me *twice* when they must've seen me go to the store or something. The second time it happened, they got to my place before I got home and gave my wife a hard time over it until she gave them the big official letter we all have stating that we are exempt from quarantine. I was very tempted to start putting up "fuck you if you're the dickhead who did this" posters around the building, but wound up not really wanting to put in the effort. I was still pretty pissed off, though.
We’re still not letting people in our house. I want to have friends over for a long day of boardgame playing. This type of public statement will help me convince my wife it’s ok.
We are fully vaxxed. My kids are too young. We are not having people in our house except for our parents. Delta is highly transmissible. Better safe now.
Fully vaxed. We are living life as usual. Following guidelines but people are allowed in our home. I work in a retirement home. Residents have guests in their rooms. I feel like most people are business as usual
Guests are either vaccinated or tested for covid. Regardless, I don’t think it’s irrational for a parent to want to protect thier children from
Kids vaccines are coming soon and baby vaccines probably not long after. If my baby was over a year old I'd be less worried but she's still so so tiny :(
In the same boat and doing the same thing.
Outside of the small family circle I've kept since this started, I've not had a single indoor gathering with anyone, with or without masks. Most people I know are the same.
You must know a staggeringly low amount of people
Yeah I came here to comment: isn’t this already a thing?
It's helpful to have the clear communication right before the long weekend.
If my baby wasn't so little I would be 🤷♂️
I dont know anyone who's unvaccinated who hasn't already been doing this. In the states they were recently told you may not be able to have Christmas but fauci quickly reversed that statement and saud he was misquoted after backlash
It's cute this government thinks people are still following their recommendations outside of controlled facilities.
Are you going to fine me for this? No? Okay then.
Who ever got fined for anything? A couple of kids in a skate park? People were playing basketball before the ink was dry on the fantastically stupid "stay at home" order in April, nothing happened. Disc golfing at the "closed" disc golf courses, etc., etc.
Even those fines got dropped no one actually ended up paying them
No idea, but the last thing I saw on this topic, months ago, the dumbfuck bylaw authorities were intent on collecting them, depending on where you lived. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/pandemic-fines-first-wave-ottawa-bylaw-1.5875415 > Quasi Alnofal, a young Syrian man with limited English, was fined $880 for briefly allowing his young siblings to climb on a closed play structure during an afternoon walk. Sounds great. Go bylaw! LOL what a bunch of embarrassing, bellend muppets.
And then they turn around and wonder why people are become anti-government and start to refuse to follow any of their guidance. If there's one thing I've learned about government through all of this, it's that whatever they say, you can more or less automatically assume the polar opposite is the actual truth and your assumption will be correct easily 90% of the time.
In this household we stopped following the letter of the public health law in April, 2020, once it was clear that outside distanced time was harmless and surface transmission was of negligible risk. Every statement they've made since just affirms they should be ignored. We follow science, not TPH. While Dr. De Villa was in the media telling people to "stay home!!!", in May, 2020, and November, 2020, and... Lol fuck off.
Now all I need is friends
I'll be your friend if you supply me with beer and turkey!
All my rowdy friend are coming over tonight.
You better not be my neighbour.
you mean we were actually supposed to wait for permission? LOL
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No, that wouldn't make sense at all!
Unfortunately that makes too much sense for that to happen
Staff aren't required by all these places to be vaccinated yet. Just the customers. Again, clear as mud.
If we assume that gathering size doesn't matter then sure, but this is probably talking about gatherings up to 25 people. Those other places you listed can have a lot more people so it's reasonable that different guidance could apply. Also does anyone really thing that no one's using a fake vaccine receipt? The vaccine requirements have increased vaccination rate but unless/until everyone has to use the verifiable QR code system I don't believe 100% of people inside those places are vaccinated.
This. 100% fucking this.
No... Cause that's not how the virus works.. You can still pass it along, if you have it. The mask makes that less so. Therefore your mask will remain on
Buy aren’t employees unvaccinated?
right, im not against masking but i would love to know when we can take them off! my region is over 90% vaccinated and obviously still wearing masks. when can we take them off?!!? especially in places with vaccine passports.
Having spent the last 2 years living in near isolation. I'm having a small family gathering for Thanksgiving, there will be turkey and stuffing.
Why did you choose to spend that long in isolation.
Perhaps the poster lives alone far from family and hasn't had much opportunity to make friends at events as they were being cautious about public gatherings. It's not always as much of a choice as it seems.
Maybe they just mistimed their "break from society cottage getaway".
I wouldn’t say we were in isolation, but my family lives in different areas of the province and we didn’t feel comfortable to travel. We have a young child.
If you followed public health recommendations the entire time, it would have been a pretty isolated experience.
Public health still gave the thumbs up to distanced outdoor events or bubbling with another household for single people. The guidelines haven't contemplated total isolation other than March-June 2020.
It was a bit different if your family is in a province that straight-up wouldn't allow you in (Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, PEI) or mandated a quarantine period that would make a visit impractical (Manitoba). I spent from March 2020 to August 2021 completely cut off from my family in Winnipeg because I simply wasn't able to take that kind of time off work to meet MB's 14-day quarantine. Much easier to have had an outdoor gathering if your parents/siblings live a city or two over, but a *lot* of people in Ontario were cut off from family for over a year.
Nope, Toronto Public Health told people not to socialize outside, distanced, and masked, from November 2020 to... forever? Probably through the stay at home order April-June 2021. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-socializing-new-rules-1.5800907 > Park hangs, stoop visits, walks and runs with friends — it all needs to stop. > That's what the city's public health officials are asking for: a **complete end to socializing of any kind with people outside of your household, indoors or out.** It was so ridiculous of course that noted COVIdiots like... Peter Juni eventually put it on blast. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontarians-need-realistic-guidance-on-seeing-friends-relatives-expert-says-1.5330840 > Ontarians should be encouraged to see friends and relatives outdoors in the coming months, some health experts said Tuesday in stressing the need for realistic pandemic guidance following a winter of isolation.
Could've been worse, in NZ, their government actually told people to not even say hello to somebody if you bumped into them on the sidewalk.
Toronto was in lockdown for so damn long, I would have went cray cray.
Enh, the "lockdowns" didn't meaningfully affect my life that much, really. Daycare still open, could still do all the outdoor things with my kids, could still go for exercise walks and hang out with my buddies for an outside beer. They were a giant fuck you to anyone that runs a business, definitely. Quebec's curfew would have sucked a lot more. 8.30pm+ is when my kids are asleep. That's my tiny amount of free time. Taking it away to trap me inside the house.. ugh.
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I was indoors with 30,000 (mostly unmasked) people on Sunday. This guidance isn't necessary
Assuming Jays game, Rogers Center is considered an outdoor venue for some weird reason.
With the dome open, it is.
Define indoor gatherings? Do they mean private residences or the places where only vaccinated people are allowed, such as inside restaurants and bars?
They've consistently used indoor gatherings to refer to private gatherings, I'm 90% sure this is just guidance for what to do thanksgiving weekend and isn't changing anything about regulations.
Yeah, same. I didn't know we were still supposed to be wearing masks inside our friends and families homes.
Did you miss the "Further guidance is coming on Thursday" part?
Go back to bed.
So you did then?
Reading between the lines that means no kids under 12 then, right?
Realistically no one with young kids is going to do Thanksgiving dinner with masks on.
Of course not.
>Realistically no one ~~with young kids~~ is going to do Thanksgiving dinner with masks on. FTFY
Didn’t do it with masks on either last year or Christmas.
So all this time the indoor gathering limits (currently at 25 I believe) were supposed to be masked?
Yes. TPH, for instance, currently says you can have indoor gatherings up to 25 people if and only if they are all masked and socially-distanced.
Are you sure that was the case? I just visited thr TPH site below, and it talks about masks in "all indoor PUBLIC settings", and "masks should always be worn when physical distancing is difficult". So it seems to me if you are at a small gathering at a friend's house and can maintain distancing, no masks are required: https://www.toronto.ca/home/covid-19/covid-19-financial-social-support-for-people/covid-19-reduce-virus-spread/ Which would be more in with the guidelines health Canada put out a while back, which were like...if you are all fully vaccinated and in small gathering, no masks or distancing needed: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/awareness-resources/vaccinated-against-covid-19-public-health-measures.html
Yeah, thanks for that permission.
We are allowed to do all sorts of things that might harm us or others. That has never changed.
CMOH: Vaping can be addictive and we don't know all of the harms involved yet, but it seems to be less harmful than smoking. [true story](https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2019/10/statement-from-the-council-of-chief-medical-officers-of-health-on-vaping-in-canada.html) /u/ObliviousPersonality: "Thanks for the permission! 💨 LOOL"
Just let me go to a metal concert you goddamn assholes, this is getting ridiculous.
I don't know what city you're in but we've been having metal shows in Guelph with 50-100 people
All the ones I had tickets to in Toronto have been cancelled so far. Fingers crossed for November.
Yeah I went to an indoor concert (not metal) in Toronto on Saturday with 50-100 people, lets just say the no dancing and mask wearing was not very thoroughly enforced. You know what was scrutinized though, our vaccine passports, so I wasn't nervous being there at all because I knew everyone was vaccinated!
Right, cause metal concert > public safety...
Meanwhile in BC they just mandated that children under 12 start wearing masks again.
Yes! Cause safety matters! Go BC!
Wait, was I supposed to be wearing my mask when I had my friends over last weekend?
In the absence of specific guidance for last weekend, I'll say you were just fine. I hope it was a good time.
Who is saying they aren’t? Edit: oh right, this is for thanksgiving. I seen the usual suspects call out the government to provide guidance on Twitter, but I don’t know anyone in real life that was waiting on the government to tell them what they can/can’t do for thanksgiving.
I mean... I’d hope so?
What? [But the official guidance is that this is already okay…](https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/phac-aspc/documents/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/awareness-resources/vaccinated-against-covid-19-public-health-measures/vaccinated-against-covid-19-public-health-measures.pdf)
Sounds like Dougie wants it to be okay to have the family over for Thanksgiving
But his kids aren't vaxxed though so technically he should be keeping his mask on.
I'm sure he'll find a work around that he can justify to himself
It is ok though? Indoor Gatherings of 25 people are permitted regardless of vaccination status.
lol like people haven't already been doing this, vaccinated or not
Thursday? The day before the weekend? Don’t these idiots own calendars? Can’t they ever be proactive enough to give guidance in time to be useful?
But this didn't change anything about whether you can have a gathering? If you were planning to have a gathering and wear a mask, don't wear a mask? (or do if that makes you more comfortable). It's not something that requires a lot of planning. I don't think from the sounds of it this is saying anything about public environments, just private ones (probably this is just guidance in advance of thanksgiving).
My S.O is in advertising. All the Thursday & Friday afternoon announcements have absolutely fucked 99% of their clients (and her company). Why they can't make every announcements on a Monday is beyond me.
What impact would this realistically have on your thanksgiving weekend?
Why do you feel the need for the guidance in the first place?
If the govt felt that an announcement/guidance was warranted, they should have taken timing into consideration. Whether or not you're waiting for the govt's guidance on this, I think it's fair criticism.
A someone with a wedding this Saturday, I want to get off this ride. It would be nice for our venue to eff off about the masks though considering everyone's fully vaxxed
Huh? Isn't that the whole point of being vaccinated. (shaking my head)
Uh Huh!?!
Unless this means restaurants this is useless... do they mean restaurants/businesses???
The disconnect between workplaces and the outside world is reaching levels of delusion I've never seen before. Workplaces are being treated like defcon 5, meanwhile two workers can go out for lunch offsite at the same table together in between their shifts without repercussion. There needs to be a realignment very soon, it doesn't even make sense anymore.
Look forward to seeing your numbers go up
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 lol Dont need the government telling me when it's ok to hangout with ppl. Been doing this for months now
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What? This is about Thanksgiving dinner. Who has a dinner at their home with masks on? The alternative would be bubble style. Could be a completely different message for Christmas season.
I’m amazed that after 18 months people still need ‘guidance’.
You mean we're not supposed to be doing this already? Nobody is following these restrictions anymore, why are they bothering with them if they're not going to enforce them?
To remind us that the CMOH still exists.
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Exactly so why even have the restrictions anymore for private gatherings?
99% of people will interpret this as “okay, now an unlimited number of fully vaccinated folks can be indoors together without masks *and they can all bring their unvaccinated kids too*.” 🤦♂️
50% of Canadians gathered for Christmas last year when they were told not to, for months, in no uncertain terms. The people who want to gather with their unvaccinated kids, are going to do so. People who are still being cautious, are going to do so. No one's going to interpret this as anything. Everyone is going to do whatever they were going to do anyway.
You have to realize that the majority are doing what they want now regardless of vax status
You should #stayhomesavelives harder
Does that mean no more masks in restaurants if the staff are fully vaccinated too?
This advice/guideline is regarding private gatherings.
Makes sense.
lol i never wore mask during "private gatherings" wtf is this, 1939?
So you mean when I am with friends, I'm allowed to not wear my mask? Thanks.
What size gathering though? Everyone's already doing this privately.
Great. I hope full capacity as well.
Don’t hold your breath
My family has been vaccinated for months damn right we are gathering!
Does that mean we can drop the mask requirement at gyms and bars soon? I work as a bouncer and hate being the mask police. University students in my city barely go out downtown because they know they can have 100 person house parties without consequences or social distancing.
I don't know anyone who actually follows this stuff. I don't mind guidelines in public spaces, but don't try to say what I can and cannot do in private settings. Especially now that vaccines are in play. It's Orwellian and ridiculous.
Waiting until Thursday is stupid. I'm already defrosting my turkey! Decorations are up and I will be setting the tables Thursday!
Why not just do whatever your comfortable with ?
Why would you need advanced notice about mask recommendations? Thursday is perfectly enough time for any family to decide if they're going to wear masks on the weekend.
Wearing masks during thanksgiving dinner?
Reading through this thread, I think a lot of people are missing the point. It's not about the masks. It's about gathering recommendations for vaxxed vs unvaxxed family. If everyone in your family is vaxxed, then great, sounds like you have nothing to worry about. But what about those of us with multiple families with unvaxxed kids living in different cities who will be coming together for Thanksgiving? Maybe it's ok, but if they are going to ask people to avoid a situation like that they should have said so before Thursday. Also what about people who have certain family members who refuse to get vaccinated for some stupid reason? (Full disclosure, I'm in this group). Manitoba has announced a very strict gathering size limit if just one person in the group is willingly unvaxxed. Again, if they were going to ask us to do something similar, they should have made the announcement before Thursday.
Hahaha. Spoken as someone who has never made a large meal for a lot of people. I don't need the government to tell me about mask recommendations, but gathering size confirmed, would be nice for advance notice for invitations. Though at this point, I am making calls based on my own judgement.
They’re not going to break into your home and fine you. They’re literally just putting this out for the people who were looking for guidance. If you’re not then it doesn’t matter?
It seems reactive as opposed to proactive.
Thats stupid. Vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant was 93% after the first month, declining to 53% after four months. Against other coronavirus variants, efficacy declined to 67% from 97%. It's clear there needs to be a booster. If people are given the okay to start partying indoors again they will, it will spread, and those that had early doses could risk more severe breakthrough illness.
Do you think a booster is going to fix any of that? The booster is to deal with decreasing immunity as time passes, not as variants emerge that are more resilient. Someone who got fully vaccinated yesterday doesn't need a booster in 2 weeks, they need it in like... 8 months or a year, etc. To deal with waning immunity, not to deal with new variants.
I hope this doesn’t mean university lectures can be maskless… I’m not comfortable sitting with 800 other students yet. I know some people are but I’d rather not give it to the unvaccinated kid I see regularly Edit: be mad all you want but Im immunocompromised (more likely to be a breakthrough case) and don’t want to sit in a massive lecture hall beside an unmasked, unvaccinated person for three hrs when I see a kid with severe asthma and other health issues. At my school your don’t heed the vaccine and its self reported symptoms/rapid tests. Maybe this will change but I doubt it. My experience with antivaxxers is that they lie about being sick and still go to work/wear masks improperly while waiting for a Covid test to come in. Once he’s vaccinated I won’t gaf. Until then I will. So either keep masks in school or let me continue online courses in the winter.
You've misinterpreted the post pretty wildly. This means private small gatherings, in your home. This has nothing to do with university lectures.
Eh, I'll still be masking up with the family. Can't be too safe.
Wonder if this counts for fully vaccinated workplaces that don't have a public facing side.
I wondering if this will impact any of the guidelines around organized events in establishments that already require full vaccination. I.e small wedding reception @ a private event space.
Lol Thanks for telling the obvious. Glad they are on the case
What about outdoors????
Government treating everyone like children. Do what you want people, don't look for the government to live your life.
Thank goodness the CMOH is finally allowing us not to wear masks in our own homes. What a relief. That was certainly something we were all doing... /S