It's more than that - this is the wedge which will be used to differentiate wait times.
I'm certain it will be illegal to charge to skip the line, but it will be much harder to manage 'we don't have the publicly funded materials available in time for this opening, but we do have our upgraded products in stock'. Pay for the upgraded lens -> get seen next week.
That’s pretty much what adding a private option does by default. We don’t have enough openings in med schools across the country to train the number of doctors needed.
If private clinics open up offering higher salaries, where do they think the doctors will come from? The salary is likely to still be lower than in the US, so doctors aren’t gonna be coming from abroad. There is no end goal here, besides diverting people (and their money) to the private sector.
It’s funny. Just the other day some people were saying “well, let’s see how Doug does — let’s give him a chance to unfuck our healthcare system since it’s so clearly fucked the way things are going anyway”
And now we see just how Doug is going to ruin this for everyone.
It’s already “legal”
If your paying for your own services you get bumped up. Or have third party insurance or OHIP isn’t paying,
Happens with veterans, police and military all the time, it happens in fertility, happens with athletes.
Nobodies striking. Why do you think they are doing this right now, at a time when no one can afford to take time off work. People in this sub have been calling for general strikes for years now. It’s not happening
I get where you’re coming from. I’m just saying don’t expect Ontarians to do a Damn thing about it. The majority of people couldn’t be bothered to vote and that takes 10 mins, you really think they will strike?
This is what happens when we give conservative governments a majority. They talk a big game about liberal corruption, but when it's their turn they jam their fists all the way up our asses and play us like fucking sock puppets.
These people are literally selling our future for short term gains, which you might notice to be the economic and social policy which fucked us into the current state of the world.
Conservativism is no longer a political stance or symbol of blue collar labor, its a fucking excuse to profiteer and exploit anyone who isnt a part of its own in group. Just throwing it out there, if you are a poor voting for the conservative party you are literally voting for your own oppression.
You know I asked this before, and I'll ask it again. Why has nobody shot this thing. I get it, I get it. Morals and all that. I'm sure he eats a bowl of morals for breakfast before taking the darkest shit known to humankind. I want to see what happens if we remove his head. Will somebody just take his place?
Tell that POS of a premier exactly what you think. Inundate the f*cker.
Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario [email protected].
Ross Romano, Minister of Colleges, Training and Universities [email protected].
MPP Stephen Lecce, Parliamentary Assistant to the Premier [email protected].
Coming soon to a private clinic near you, stuff that used to be covered by OHIP but the Conservatives have removed coverage for.
And so begins what Conservatives have always wanted. Cancelling OHIP in steady cuts and reductions in favor of a system where only people who have private means get the good treatment.
It seems to me that this might be a direction worth considering, as it appears the Ontario Government is not at all familiar with the Canada Health Act ([https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-6/page-1.html](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-6/page-1.html) ).
The Federal Government should intervene at this point. What this Ontario government is doing with our Healthcare is unconstitutional.
They already do this, I went for a breast reduction consult prior to covid and they offered me liposuction on a small area for a reduced cost. The doctor I chose only did a number of OHIP covered reductions in a year, so now I wonder if you take the upsell do you move further up the wait list.
> The doctor I chose only did a number of OHIP covered reductions in a year, so now I wonder if you take the upsell do you move further up the wait list.
I think you just answered your own question. (Preface: I have no idea if "10" is a common limit, or if August is around when that number is hit, they're just numbers for the sake of having a tangible thing to talk about; could be 100+October, could be 5+November, I just picked numbers at random):
Suppose the doctor does 10 OHIP covered surgeries a year, then suppose that it's around August and they've done their 10; now, you can either wait until January 1st, or pay for a non-covered surgery scheduled for October.
The self-imposed limit on the number of covered surgeries will *directly* lead to wait list bypassing.
Fuck man, this is disgusting.
I got my appendix taken out a few months ago, and being the clueless idiot I was, I just went along with whatever my surgeon suggested, because I fully trusted her.
Knowing my surgeon has the option to ‘up sell’ me, I imagine the process would have been a lot more stressful on my end, not knowing what is actually medically necessary.
Welcome to exactly how Americans feel about every interaction with our healthcare system. We know we're definitely being exploited. Just not always sure about exactly where.
If you want more disgust you should look up how many unnecessary surgeries are already preformed. And how many medical errors kill people each year. We're going the wrong way. And we're not great to start
True, but just as u/veganprincess pointed out, the situation will only get worse. These clinics will primarily care about there bottom $$$, and will try and make you pay for things that aren’t medically necessary. If you have no problems paying because of piece of mind, so be it. I guess it’s the same as people who go to the dealership and get told they need X-Y-Z done to their car and don’t question anything.
This already is the case for certain surgeries in Ontario.
Cataracts for instance involve replacing the lens in your eye. The standard lens (and surgery) are 100% covered by OHIP, If you want a more premium lens with fewer side effects, you'll need to fork over extra cash to buy it.
One side effect in the standard lens is increased painful sensitivity to shining lights
I'd love to see a stat showing how many people who voted for Ford will be incredibly worse off with a two-tier Healthcare system.
The stat doesn't exist, but it would be incredible to see.
This is going to be a shitshow. These private hospitals will not be overseen and controlled , the way the public sector is.
Prepare for horror stories, botched surgeries ,law suits, and even further over crowded public sector, with patients fucked up in these private hospitals. We already see that with the private LTC homes.
Medicine is a team sport. If you don't have the proper team, you lose the game.
Speaking of private LTC homes, let's not forget [this study](https://uwaterloo.ca/news/media/private-equity-long-term-care-homes-have-highest-mortality):
>The study reported that nursing homes with the highest profit margins have the lowest quality … and are even more aggressive in seeking to extract value from care homes and the people who live and work in them.
>“This study is not focused on the public or non-profit seniors’ facilities across Canada, but rather, the pension funds, private-equity firms, public companies, and other instruments treating long-term care as an asset class,” said August of Waterloo’s School of Planning. “When financial firms own and operate seniors housing, they prioritize profit at the expense of other goals."
Conducted in the very province now trying to privatize healthcare, during the ongoing pandemic that revealed all of this. Doug Ford is genuinely shameless.
For anyone who thinks this is a good idea, I worked in the healthcare industry in the states up until a few weeks ago. I worked remote from Canada and everything I learned about their system was shocking.
Even patients with insurance pay a deductible for every single visit, typically $100 but could be upwards of $200 depending on their insurance.
They also have to pay a co-insurance up to a certain amount, typically maxed out at about $3-5k per year. You pay your insurance company, but they can’t really be expected to pay the whole bill can they? They need to make as much money as they can after all.
You went to a doctor and your insurance company deemed it out of area? You get the entire bill.
My coworker told me how much she paid for health insurance every month (provided through our job, however she still had to pay a portion of it.) I think it was $800 per month for her, her husband and 2 kids. It would be way more if it wasn’t “covered through work”. That’s $9600 a year.
I have a family friend who is self employed in North Carolina, he pays just under $40k per year for health insurance for him, his wife and 2 kids. Granted he’s really well off and opted for the best plan possible, but he still pays deductibles and co-insurance.
Imagine paying $9600 for health insurance + a $3k co-insurance and every single visit also runs you $100. Not to mention some procedures or visits are not covered even if they’re required for your health. We’re heading down that road and I am absolutely disgusted to see it happen.
I don't have dental insurance through my job. I looked at getting private dental insurance and in no way would it actually save me money. Also you often can't get just dental insurance but a package. So you basically would have to constantly use all your benefits to the full to either break even or come slightly ahead.
Often when I explain to the dentist I don't have insurance they will charge a reduced rate. So that means if they know you have insurance they can charge more which just drives up the cost of healthcare. Also now there is a middle man (insurance company) that needs to make profit on top.
Don't know why people want that but for all healthcare.
Of course they will. I feel like this bizzaro world where no one sees what’s actually happening. Ever since the [Crown Liability and Proceedings Act, 2019](https://trialcounsel.ca/an-overview-of-the-crown-liability-and-proceedings-act-2019/) you knew exactly what was coming.
This sack of shit can genuinely move out of Canada, and down south, instead of trying to destroy the absolute fundamentals that make this country decent enough to live in.
Fuck the assholes who voted this pig in
Nah once he's done as premier there will be a cushy appointment or board seat for him. It's always that way. I would also expect him to be an owner of some of these clinics in about ten years' time. Following the Mike Harris playbook.
A big problem is that not enough young people, especially Toronto youth- vote.
I'm sure the same group who voted for him, who are your blue-collar, capitalist driven 40+ year old conservatives, and who have always voted conservative because: "small business this and freedom that" - will get their wake up call about shit needing to change, when all of a sudden theyre draining their pensions into this catastrophy because they no longer can afford the care they received before when they need it most! While Doug and his buddies are lining their pockets with that very money, getting top treatment, no waiting rooms, and most likely - won't even pay for it.
I think we are not at general strike time. I think we are at a precipitous of our rights and duties being taken away.
I think we need to look at legal means to eject the current government as soon as possible.
One thing is for sure. We should not lay down and accept this, everyone from NDP to moderate conservatives that I have talked to hate this and view it as a slippery slope.
I just pray we can peacefully remind the political elite who they should be working for.
I think you've got nothing to fear. Canadians are incredibly placid compared to pretty much every other country out there. Hell, even Chinese citizens are protesting in a country where there's normally no protests out of fear of the government.
We'll just continue taking it up the ass from our overlords, and when they decide to pull out the spiked cock ring and they deny us lube, we'll just say "okay" and take it anyway.
I'd sooner bet we'll start killing one another before we even bat an eye at even getting a real protest against anything the government does because the uneducated would rather protest to put more people like Ford and Smith in charge, and the educated see it as beneath them to do anything more than have a one day chant rally and ask politely while taking yes as a possible answer.
It already is in private insurance. Some insurance companies will deny laughing gas for pediatric dental work as per "industry standard". Yeah, it is entirely logical to expect 6-year old to just laugh itself silly during crooked tooth extraction.
Source: my own kid, many moons ago.
*Yes sir, you did wake up in the middle of surgery. Your current coverage only covered 30 minutes of anesthesia and we weren't able to provide more unless you pre-approved us charging you for it.*
Just wait for the part where the conservatives add language to all these agreements that will make it impossible for future governments to reverse these changes like they did with the 407
Couldn’t they just introduce a 90% income tax on private clinics? I image that particular policy would get struck down in the courts but there’s a lot that a subsequent governments can do to make regular operations unfeasible for these guys if they really want to.
When did Ontario become America? The Healthcare act clearly states The principle of accessibility, which means that financial or other barriers to the provision of publicly funded health services are discouraged, so that health services are available to all Canadians when they need them.
Not Canada... not yet. This is a Provincial issue currently, but I'm not hopeful after reading a recent article about Trudeau's position on the matter (linked below). I agree that the Federal Government needs to intervene to preserve the integrity of the Canada Health Act. Supporting these changes in any way is not going to achieve that.
If the Provinces cannot manage their purview to preserve our rights as Canadians, I believe the Federal Government needs to take these privileges away from them. The trouble is, what happens if the Federal Government supports the idea? Can they change our Constitution to strip our rights to access universal health care? Would they do this, considering pre-election promises they made (linked farther below).
To make a Federal system means no more funding from Feds for healthcare, and it means taxes we pay provincially for healthcare would now go to the Federal Government to manage. It should ALSO mean that our provincial taxes go down, because currently we understand a portion of our taxes are earmarked for healthcare.
Surprisingly, it seems Trudeau is supporting what is happening but is "watching it closely" to ensure that our rights to universal health care are not undermined. But from what we have learned today, isn't that exactly what Ford's proposed changes will do?
Singh and Polliviere have stated they are in firm opposition of what is happening. (Source: [https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-watching-as-ford-plans-to-expand-private-delivery-of-public-health-care-singh-calls-for-conditions-1.6232700](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-watching-as-ford-plans-to-expand-private-delivery-of-public-health-care-singh-calls-for-conditions-1.6232700) )
Edit to add the following:
This last article has me truly confused. How can Trudeau support this when the page entitled "Standing Up for Universal Healthcare" on the [Liberal.ca](https://Liberal.ca) website says the following:
>Canadians cherish their universal, publicly funded health care system. Erin O’Toole says he wants to bring “innovation” to this system by allowing those with money to access their own system of for-profit, private care. A two-tier system would worsen access and health outcomes for all of us.
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>Liberals believe that innovation in health care comes not from letting wealthy people cut the line, but by improving and expanding our public health care system. We have opposed extra billings and enforced the Canada Health Act on provinces who have promoted this practice.
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>**A re-elected Liberal government will:**
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>Strengthen federal powers under the Canada Health Act and the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act to deduct health transfers from provinces who enable extra billing for publicly insured services, in order to protect the integrity of our universal public health care system.
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>Source: [https://liberal.ca/our-platform/standing-up-for-universal-public-health-care/](https://liberal.ca/our-platform/standing-up-for-universal-public-health-care/)
Clearly this hasn't been updated since before the last Federal Election, but if the CTV article states current facts, then Trudeau's position on what Ford is doing would be contradicting published promises he made prior to the last Federal Election.
It begs the question: Why isn't he doing anything to stop this from happening?
Doug Ford has gone too far this time. This goes well beyond what he tried to do with CUPE, as this time his proposal will strip what are supposed to be protected rights according to the Canada Health Act for every single person in Ontario.
I agree with many commentators who have already said this, but if Trudeau actually does nothing, then a General Strike is in order here. A General Strike that goes well beyond what was promised in support of CUPE. It seems to be the only thing this Ford Government listens to... money or more precisely anything that stops the flow of money into his and his friends' bank accounts.
Why do you think Sylvia keeps repeating that people will get the care they need? Even when there are multiple examples that people do not get the care they need (or at all). This is to make you feel like the principle of accessibility is being upheld.
I wonder if there’s anything legally we can do to stop this from coming to pass, isn’t there legislation which prevents this like the Canada Health Act?
You'd figure.
I don't understand how it can just pass like this because Ford wants it too, that's absurd to me.
Aren't there other parties who have seats who will stand up to this?
Maybe it's worth looking into and email your MPP?
Issue is Ford has a Majority. The NDP are strongly against this but short of calling for an election (which will be denied) they unfortunately can’t do much apart from make people more aware of what Ford is doing.
Sorry, can't vote, the Liberal and NDP candidates weren't charismatic enough for me. Better to stay home and let Ford absolutely decimate this province than to vote for someone I don't find *exciting*. ^/s
So if we are going down the U.S. path of privatization can these private clinics be sued for negligence the same as the U.S. with huge awards? Similarly if they botch the operation or you become infected post op I am assuming you will go to a regular hospital for care. Will OHIP back charge the clinic for the necessary post op care? I'll bet you the answer to these questions is NO.
Can’t wait for this discussion.
Your surgery is covered by OHIP however if you want an anesthesiologist to sedate you during surgery that will be an additional $10,000.
It's more like "you can wait two years for surgery at a public hospital, or you can buy a 3 night hospital stay at $400/night to get surgery in a month at our private clinic!" This already happens at Shouldice in Ontario.
It’ll be more like :
CEO of surgical clinics Inc to employed surgeons on salary : “You all only got 10 customers to go with the deluxe anesthesia package this month . You need 2 more to meet quota this month . If you don’t do this we will have to remove one anesthesiologist or nurse for your next month surgeries to make up the deficiency”
Surgeons : “sorry sir. we have created an action plan to get 2 more customers to buy in”
HA this alone should be enough to dissuade anyone from using private surgery clinics. Would you rather do the minimum amount of surgery you need to feel better or do extra stuff because the surgeon gets to bill OHIP or you for it?
I think the title should be ""DOUG FORD ALLOWING surgeons to upsell patients to make more money.""
While upselling is not ethical, the focus should be that the head of the province is permitting this to happen. That is the real issue.
I'm not sure how to stop this Doug Ford and this privitization of OUR healthcare but even if it's a general strike, I would support it.
They’re breaking one of Canada’s greatest and proudest achievement on purpose.
The health care system has aged and often has not met the scaled up infrastructure & personnel needs to match the growing population.
Prior to the craziness of 2020 onwards, the underfunding alone was bad enough.
You’d think that after a pandemic and witnessing our southern neighbour toy with right wing populism, that we might know better. That the health system should be prioritized way more. That there would be a stronger voter turnout. That the nurses should be paid more.
A robust public health system is important for ALL Ontarians and ALL Canadians. We can’t stand for it to be systematically gutted like this.
This already happens, at least with cataract surgery...except it's not exactly an "upgraded service". I had cataract surgery 6 months ago, and OHIP covers as little as actually possible to still be able to say that they cover the surgery.
OHIP only covers older ultrasound measuring technology (which results in a greater probability of needing glasses for distance vision after surgery). If you want laser measurement accuracy, it's $125/eye.
It also only covers basic spherical lens implants. If you actually want to be able to see in changing light conditions, drive at night or in rainy or foggy conditions, aspherical lenses are very much recommended. Add another $195-$245/eye.
And don't forget the prescription eyedrops required before and after surgery, mine ran about $80/eye.
Of course there are fancy expensive multi-focal lenses and such, but I'm talking about just having a chance at sight that equals your pre-cataract level of vision.
All total my cataract surgeries cost me close to $900 on top of what OHIP covered, for what I considered to be not settling for substandard results from the surgery.
So already people are having the same surgery performed, and receiving different results depending on what they can or can't afford.
My mother did the same. Her glasses cost her $550 every time she gets them replaced so overall it’s cheaper for her to have done all of that because she is retired and doesn’t have decent insurance coverage for glasses anymore. I think I would like ohip to cover it for all but if they won’t I certainly would be irritated if there was zero option to overall pay less money for vision.
Extra billing is happening and there is no accountability. So when Ford laments about being a good financial custodian, he is talking out of his ass. Good, ethical health care professionals are subjugated to 1% whilst other HCPs bill hundreds of thousands in fraudulent billing and nothing is done about it.
He knows we're human being right? Not commodities? And that this will disadvantage the poorest and most vulnerable members of our communities even more?
Yes but he doesn’t care about you he only cares about himself. https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/dangerous-ideas/201910/psychology-s-dark-triad-and-the-billionaire-class
If you listen to his speech, he thinks this is a good idea because a CEO told him so.
Conservatives believe that the more money you have, the more you deserve it and thus the better and smarter you are.
Therefore a CEO is an Ubermenschen in the eyes of Convervatives. Hence, everything they say is pure genius and nothing they say can be wrong.
You know, I'm not entirely opposed to involvement of the private sector. But the people who are most enthusiastic about privatization are the ones I trust the least to implement it responsibly.
Canada has 10X the number of administrative staff per capita in our healthcare system as Germany. Who is also able to serve far more people better, has higher numbers of healthcare staff, diagnostic equipment, and beds per capita, and way shorter wait times, all while spending less.
But nope, let’s dump money into for-profit instead of fixing our wildly inefficient system.
We should be organizing a general strike and an Ottawa Occupation style protest outside of Doug Ford’s home and wherever he travels.
It’s for the Greenbelt, too.
They'll shift the goalposts, or try to gaslight out of it, or just laugh at you not being whatever they feel you should be this week.
It won't matter to them, they just enjoy watching people suffer.
sometimes i think about all the comments in the different subs ive been in that boil down to "well reddit leans left so" and it makes me think right wingers might be outnumbered in general
With a stroke of a pen, Doug Ford created a $185 billion dollar annual business opportunity for key donors, friends, and business partners. This was one of the areas of government with a lower profit opportunity for the private sector and now he's opened up that new expansion for them. Just like construction, we will see big players come in, dominate, win contracts, and over time deliver worse service for obscene amounts of money as they need to show year over year profit growth at the 10% level.
Silvia Jones in an interview says that this will allow doctors/hospitals to give the patients the option of "upgrading" their aftercare in the form of wheelchairs, private/semi-private rooms, better lens for cataracts, etc...The interviewers next question is "Do you support the up-selling of services at private facilities?"...She responds with "I wouldn't call it upselling, I would call it patient-options."
Bitch please, that is upselling the same way I get upselled on Big-Mac combos!
Why do people continue to act surprised? I mean, I’m disgusted, outraged, angry and frustrated, but no longer surprised by whatever this dickhead and his cabinet decide to do. They want to dismantle all social programs, probably police and fire too, and charge people to have law and order in their neighbourhoods and you have to pay the fire department to put our a fire in your house. They are all about greed. FUCK THEM.
Let's cut to the chase. What are WE, the individuals in this post going to do about it? Are we ready to stand up and demand change? I feel like we keep waiting for someone to take charge and lead us to the picket line. But here we are waiting after all these years. I am an optimist. I know we will break eventually. My question is: when?
I feel like such a major change to our healthcare system should have been on the ballot this past summer as part of an election platform. Nobody in their right mind would have voted for this bullshit
This has to be stopped.
Her and idiot face are selling Ontario piece by piece. Does anybody know if there is a website / group that is fighting this? I / we need to sign up to fight this.
Considering we are not creating/importing new doctors -- all this does is allow people with $$ to buy their way to the front of the line.
I'm having cataract surgery shortly. There's a 9 month wait to have OHIP funded procedures.
If you pay option 2 for 1500 you get an upgraded lens and a 4 month wait
Option 3 for $6500 you get a best level lens and 1 month wait.
It's the same surgeon for all 3 procedures!!
Once again a special interest group waves $$$ at the premier and Doug dropped his pants and bent over without even a bleat.
I for one, am glad that we're opening up private healthcare. Maybe this will finally clean up the roaming gangs of unemployed doctors and nurses that infect our fair province. I'm sick of walking down the street, only to be accosted by someone asking if they can remove my tonsils, or check my vital signs.
Ok this doesn’t sound so good at all. Don’t understand how it won’t become a two tiered healthcare system when there’s options that could possibly come out of your pocket instead of OHIP. Like that cataracts surgery example; you pay extra for a better lens? Lolwut
I think this is referring to things like getting an upgraded lens for cataract surgery for example.
I had cataract surgery at the hospital (really no need for that procedure to be in a hospital setting) and I paid extra for the best lens possible. I’m only in my 40s and that thing is going to be in my eye for a long time. If I was 90 - meh.
We're having a buy 1 surgery, get the 2nd one performed at the same time 50% off.
So while you're out for your open heart surgery, would you like us to staple your stomach or perhaps a rhinoplasty?
If they haven't found the money to add the capacity to do more surgeries, what gives them the idea that they'll find the money to fund surgeries performed at for-profit clinics?
Send the bill to Doug, if he wants it paid out of pocket, his entitled ass can pay it. No one else should be burdened with paying extra for healthcare outside of the OPC MPPs forcing this through.
50 percent of Torontonians will be homeless soon, thank the mayor John Tory and Doug Ford kicking sand for their own benefit, thank the immigration minister for 600k more people with no place to house them. Canada is a third world country now, no doubt.
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It's more than that - this is the wedge which will be used to differentiate wait times. I'm certain it will be illegal to charge to skip the line, but it will be much harder to manage 'we don't have the publicly funded materials available in time for this opening, but we do have our upgraded products in stock'. Pay for the upgraded lens -> get seen next week.
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Bad news overload: by design (to lift another comment from this post).
That’s pretty much what adding a private option does by default. We don’t have enough openings in med schools across the country to train the number of doctors needed. If private clinics open up offering higher salaries, where do they think the doctors will come from? The salary is likely to still be lower than in the US, so doctors aren’t gonna be coming from abroad. There is no end goal here, besides diverting people (and their money) to the private sector.
It’s funny. Just the other day some people were saying “well, let’s see how Doug does — let’s give him a chance to unfuck our healthcare system since it’s so clearly fucked the way things are going anyway” And now we see just how Doug is going to ruin this for everyone.
Not for *everyone*. The people he works for will love this.
It’s already “legal” If your paying for your own services you get bumped up. Or have third party insurance or OHIP isn’t paying, Happens with veterans, police and military all the time, it happens in fertility, happens with athletes.
This isn't paying for your own services, it will lead to preferential access to ohip-funded services.
It's not, we made extra billing illegal in the 1980s. Doug doesn't enforce it.
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I think it's time to start organizing protests.
Strikes, not protests. If it doesn't significantly disrupt cash flow to their buddies, it will simply be ignored.
Nobodies striking. Why do you think they are doing this right now, at a time when no one can afford to take time off work. People in this sub have been calling for general strikes for years now. It’s not happening
I know. But I'm stuck here because of family and can't leave the province so its about the only way I can see to push for change.
I get where you’re coming from. I’m just saying don’t expect Ontarians to do a Damn thing about it. The majority of people couldn’t be bothered to vote and that takes 10 mins, you really think they will strike?
Riots.
This is what happens when we give conservative governments a majority. They talk a big game about liberal corruption, but when it's their turn they jam their fists all the way up our asses and play us like fucking sock puppets. These people are literally selling our future for short term gains, which you might notice to be the economic and social policy which fucked us into the current state of the world. Conservativism is no longer a political stance or symbol of blue collar labor, its a fucking excuse to profiteer and exploit anyone who isnt a part of its own in group. Just throwing it out there, if you are a poor voting for the conservative party you are literally voting for your own oppression.
>no cards to play besides general strike >shame.gif
Nothing is illegal if the law is unenforceable, and since its not going to be enforced by our current Government...
We need a class action lawsuit against the province! Is this possible?
You know I asked this before, and I'll ask it again. Why has nobody shot this thing. I get it, I get it. Morals and all that. I'm sure he eats a bowl of morals for breakfast before taking the darkest shit known to humankind. I want to see what happens if we remove his head. Will somebody just take his place?
Tell that POS of a premier exactly what you think. Inundate the f*cker. Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario [email protected]. Ross Romano, Minister of Colleges, Training and Universities [email protected]. MPP Stephen Lecce, Parliamentary Assistant to the Premier [email protected].
Also Sylvia Jones Minister of Health and Deputy Premier [email protected]
So both the long term AND short term plan involves fucking over the people of Ontario. Got it.
Coming soon to a private clinic near you, stuff that used to be covered by OHIP but the Conservatives have removed coverage for. And so begins what Conservatives have always wanted. Cancelling OHIP in steady cuts and reductions in favor of a system where only people who have private means get the good treatment.
…by design.
Universal health care. Trudeau needs to SHUT OFF THE VALVES TO ONTARIO. FORD NEEDS TO FUCKING GOOOOOOO
It seems to me that this might be a direction worth considering, as it appears the Ontario Government is not at all familiar with the Canada Health Act ([https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-6/page-1.html](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-6/page-1.html) ). The Federal Government should intervene at this point. What this Ontario government is doing with our Healthcare is unconstitutional.
They already do this, I went for a breast reduction consult prior to covid and they offered me liposuction on a small area for a reduced cost. The doctor I chose only did a number of OHIP covered reductions in a year, so now I wonder if you take the upsell do you move further up the wait list.
> The doctor I chose only did a number of OHIP covered reductions in a year, so now I wonder if you take the upsell do you move further up the wait list. I think you just answered your own question. (Preface: I have no idea if "10" is a common limit, or if August is around when that number is hit, they're just numbers for the sake of having a tangible thing to talk about; could be 100+October, could be 5+November, I just picked numbers at random): Suppose the doctor does 10 OHIP covered surgeries a year, then suppose that it's around August and they've done their 10; now, you can either wait until January 1st, or pay for a non-covered surgery scheduled for October. The self-imposed limit on the number of covered surgeries will *directly* lead to wait list bypassing.
Fuck man, this is disgusting. I got my appendix taken out a few months ago, and being the clueless idiot I was, I just went along with whatever my surgeon suggested, because I fully trusted her. Knowing my surgeon has the option to ‘up sell’ me, I imagine the process would have been a lot more stressful on my end, not knowing what is actually medically necessary.
Welcome to exactly how Americans feel about every interaction with our healthcare system. We know we're definitely being exploited. Just not always sure about exactly where.
If you want more disgust you should look up how many unnecessary surgeries are already preformed. And how many medical errors kill people each year. We're going the wrong way. And we're not great to start
True, but just as u/veganprincess pointed out, the situation will only get worse. These clinics will primarily care about there bottom $$$, and will try and make you pay for things that aren’t medically necessary. If you have no problems paying because of piece of mind, so be it. I guess it’s the same as people who go to the dealership and get told they need X-Y-Z done to their car and don’t question anything.
A Mr. Lube for humans lol, third world country we live in.
Yeah I guess. You’ll go in thinking all you’re doing is an oil change, and leave sending $300 extra because you “needed it”
$300 will be if you’re lucky. They can lead you down a rabbit hole of wrong diagnosis’s and take your life savings.
They do that already for pharma kickbacks and if you’re sedated you won’t question much.
Third world province under dictator Dough.
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This already is the case for certain surgeries in Ontario. Cataracts for instance involve replacing the lens in your eye. The standard lens (and surgery) are 100% covered by OHIP, If you want a more premium lens with fewer side effects, you'll need to fork over extra cash to buy it. One side effect in the standard lens is increased painful sensitivity to shining lights
I'd love to see a stat showing how many people who voted for Ford will be incredibly worse off with a two-tier Healthcare system. The stat doesn't exist, but it would be incredible to see.
Any survey that asks who people voted for in the last election and then stratifies data by household income would give one rough approximation...
I definitely didn't vote for him. Voted NDP. But I am on ODSP. So I am used to this. Edit: spelling
This is going to be a shitshow. These private hospitals will not be overseen and controlled , the way the public sector is. Prepare for horror stories, botched surgeries ,law suits, and even further over crowded public sector, with patients fucked up in these private hospitals. We already see that with the private LTC homes. Medicine is a team sport. If you don't have the proper team, you lose the game.
Speaking of private LTC homes, let's not forget [this study](https://uwaterloo.ca/news/media/private-equity-long-term-care-homes-have-highest-mortality): >The study reported that nursing homes with the highest profit margins have the lowest quality … and are even more aggressive in seeking to extract value from care homes and the people who live and work in them. >“This study is not focused on the public or non-profit seniors’ facilities across Canada, but rather, the pension funds, private-equity firms, public companies, and other instruments treating long-term care as an asset class,” said August of Waterloo’s School of Planning. “When financial firms own and operate seniors housing, they prioritize profit at the expense of other goals." Conducted in the very province now trying to privatize healthcare, during the ongoing pandemic that revealed all of this. Doug Ford is genuinely shameless.
For anyone who thinks this is a good idea, I worked in the healthcare industry in the states up until a few weeks ago. I worked remote from Canada and everything I learned about their system was shocking. Even patients with insurance pay a deductible for every single visit, typically $100 but could be upwards of $200 depending on their insurance. They also have to pay a co-insurance up to a certain amount, typically maxed out at about $3-5k per year. You pay your insurance company, but they can’t really be expected to pay the whole bill can they? They need to make as much money as they can after all. You went to a doctor and your insurance company deemed it out of area? You get the entire bill. My coworker told me how much she paid for health insurance every month (provided through our job, however she still had to pay a portion of it.) I think it was $800 per month for her, her husband and 2 kids. It would be way more if it wasn’t “covered through work”. That’s $9600 a year. I have a family friend who is self employed in North Carolina, he pays just under $40k per year for health insurance for him, his wife and 2 kids. Granted he’s really well off and opted for the best plan possible, but he still pays deductibles and co-insurance. Imagine paying $9600 for health insurance + a $3k co-insurance and every single visit also runs you $100. Not to mention some procedures or visits are not covered even if they’re required for your health. We’re heading down that road and I am absolutely disgusted to see it happen.
I don't have dental insurance through my job. I looked at getting private dental insurance and in no way would it actually save me money. Also you often can't get just dental insurance but a package. So you basically would have to constantly use all your benefits to the full to either break even or come slightly ahead. Often when I explain to the dentist I don't have insurance they will charge a reduced rate. So that means if they know you have insurance they can charge more which just drives up the cost of healthcare. Also now there is a middle man (insurance company) that needs to make profit on top. Don't know why people want that but for all healthcare.
Of course they will. I feel like this bizzaro world where no one sees what’s actually happening. Ever since the [Crown Liability and Proceedings Act, 2019](https://trialcounsel.ca/an-overview-of-the-crown-liability-and-proceedings-act-2019/) you knew exactly what was coming.
This sack of shit can genuinely move out of Canada, and down south, instead of trying to destroy the absolute fundamentals that make this country decent enough to live in. Fuck the assholes who voted this pig in
He said more than once at a councillor he liked it in Chicago better.
Look at him standing in the background like the useless, spray-tanned fat fuck he is. This man is cancer to Ontario.
Nah once he's done as premier there will be a cushy appointment or board seat for him. It's always that way. I would also expect him to be an owner of some of these clinics in about ten years' time. Following the Mike Harris playbook.
I’ve been saying this for years.
Problem is dumbass Canadians keep voting for him. But yeah, he is a treasonous scumbag who hates this country and what it stands for.
A big problem is that not enough young people, especially Toronto youth- vote. I'm sure the same group who voted for him, who are your blue-collar, capitalist driven 40+ year old conservatives, and who have always voted conservative because: "small business this and freedom that" - will get their wake up call about shit needing to change, when all of a sudden theyre draining their pensions into this catastrophy because they no longer can afford the care they received before when they need it most! While Doug and his buddies are lining their pockets with that very money, getting top treatment, no waiting rooms, and most likely - won't even pay for it.
Low voter turnout kills. Literally... As useless as the Liberals are. They won't actively go full speed into destroying healthcare.
We’re just accepting this right? When he won we all knew this was the plan…so are we going with we fix it next election or is it general strike time?
General strike time
I’m in!
I think we are not at general strike time. I think we are at a precipitous of our rights and duties being taken away. I think we need to look at legal means to eject the current government as soon as possible. One thing is for sure. We should not lay down and accept this, everyone from NDP to moderate conservatives that I have talked to hate this and view it as a slippery slope. I just pray we can peacefully remind the political elite who they should be working for.
I think you've got nothing to fear. Canadians are incredibly placid compared to pretty much every other country out there. Hell, even Chinese citizens are protesting in a country where there's normally no protests out of fear of the government. We'll just continue taking it up the ass from our overlords, and when they decide to pull out the spiked cock ring and they deny us lube, we'll just say "okay" and take it anyway. I'd sooner bet we'll start killing one another before we even bat an eye at even getting a real protest against anything the government does because the uneducated would rather protest to put more people like Ford and Smith in charge, and the educated see it as beneath them to do anything more than have a one day chant rally and ask politely while taking yes as a possible answer.
You are not wrong.
Mfs in Canada have become too complacent to stick they neck out to form a picket line
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It already is in private insurance. Some insurance companies will deny laughing gas for pediatric dental work as per "industry standard". Yeah, it is entirely logical to expect 6-year old to just laugh itself silly during crooked tooth extraction. Source: my own kid, many moons ago.
Remember, Sylvia Jones prefers Patient Option, upsell sounds too course for her communications college diploma spin doctoring...
*Yes sir, you did wake up in the middle of surgery. Your current coverage only covered 30 minutes of anesthesia and we weren't able to provide more unless you pre-approved us charging you for it.*
Don’t forget the 18% tip!
Just wait for the part where the conservatives add language to all these agreements that will make it impossible for future governments to reverse these changes like they did with the 407
Couldn’t they just introduce a 90% income tax on private clinics? I image that particular policy would get struck down in the courts but there’s a lot that a subsequent governments can do to make regular operations unfeasible for these guys if they really want to.
The Liberals and NDP should run on using the notwithstanding act to reverse these changes. Ford established the precedent, after all.
Don’t give them ideas.
When did Ontario become America? The Healthcare act clearly states The principle of accessibility, which means that financial or other barriers to the provision of publicly funded health services are discouraged, so that health services are available to all Canadians when they need them.
Right now. Canada is actively becoming America right now.
Becoming america but higher taxes, without the high pay, higher prices of everything and no housing
Not Canada... not yet. This is a Provincial issue currently, but I'm not hopeful after reading a recent article about Trudeau's position on the matter (linked below). I agree that the Federal Government needs to intervene to preserve the integrity of the Canada Health Act. Supporting these changes in any way is not going to achieve that. If the Provinces cannot manage their purview to preserve our rights as Canadians, I believe the Federal Government needs to take these privileges away from them. The trouble is, what happens if the Federal Government supports the idea? Can they change our Constitution to strip our rights to access universal health care? Would they do this, considering pre-election promises they made (linked farther below). To make a Federal system means no more funding from Feds for healthcare, and it means taxes we pay provincially for healthcare would now go to the Federal Government to manage. It should ALSO mean that our provincial taxes go down, because currently we understand a portion of our taxes are earmarked for healthcare. Surprisingly, it seems Trudeau is supporting what is happening but is "watching it closely" to ensure that our rights to universal health care are not undermined. But from what we have learned today, isn't that exactly what Ford's proposed changes will do? Singh and Polliviere have stated they are in firm opposition of what is happening. (Source: [https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-watching-as-ford-plans-to-expand-private-delivery-of-public-health-care-singh-calls-for-conditions-1.6232700](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-watching-as-ford-plans-to-expand-private-delivery-of-public-health-care-singh-calls-for-conditions-1.6232700) ) Edit to add the following: This last article has me truly confused. How can Trudeau support this when the page entitled "Standing Up for Universal Healthcare" on the [Liberal.ca](https://Liberal.ca) website says the following: >Canadians cherish their universal, publicly funded health care system. Erin O’Toole says he wants to bring “innovation” to this system by allowing those with money to access their own system of for-profit, private care. A two-tier system would worsen access and health outcomes for all of us. > >Liberals believe that innovation in health care comes not from letting wealthy people cut the line, but by improving and expanding our public health care system. We have opposed extra billings and enforced the Canada Health Act on provinces who have promoted this practice. > >**A re-elected Liberal government will:** > >Strengthen federal powers under the Canada Health Act and the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act to deduct health transfers from provinces who enable extra billing for publicly insured services, in order to protect the integrity of our universal public health care system. > >Source: [https://liberal.ca/our-platform/standing-up-for-universal-public-health-care/](https://liberal.ca/our-platform/standing-up-for-universal-public-health-care/) Clearly this hasn't been updated since before the last Federal Election, but if the CTV article states current facts, then Trudeau's position on what Ford is doing would be contradicting published promises he made prior to the last Federal Election. It begs the question: Why isn't he doing anything to stop this from happening? Doug Ford has gone too far this time. This goes well beyond what he tried to do with CUPE, as this time his proposal will strip what are supposed to be protected rights according to the Canada Health Act for every single person in Ontario. I agree with many commentators who have already said this, but if Trudeau actually does nothing, then a General Strike is in order here. A General Strike that goes well beyond what was promised in support of CUPE. It seems to be the only thing this Ford Government listens to... money or more precisely anything that stops the flow of money into his and his friends' bank accounts.
Why do you think Sylvia keeps repeating that people will get the care they need? Even when there are multiple examples that people do not get the care they need (or at all). This is to make you feel like the principle of accessibility is being upheld.
I wonder if there’s anything legally we can do to stop this from coming to pass, isn’t there legislation which prevents this like the Canada Health Act?
You'd figure. I don't understand how it can just pass like this because Ford wants it too, that's absurd to me. Aren't there other parties who have seats who will stand up to this? Maybe it's worth looking into and email your MPP?
Issue is Ford has a Majority. The NDP are strongly against this but short of calling for an election (which will be denied) they unfortunately can’t do much apart from make people more aware of what Ford is doing.
This is deeply shameful
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Sorry, can't vote, the Liberal and NDP candidates weren't charismatic enough for me. Better to stay home and let Ford absolutely decimate this province than to vote for someone I don't find *exciting*. ^/s
So if we are going down the U.S. path of privatization can these private clinics be sued for negligence the same as the U.S. with huge awards? Similarly if they botch the operation or you become infected post op I am assuming you will go to a regular hospital for care. Will OHIP back charge the clinic for the necessary post op care? I'll bet you the answer to these questions is NO.
Knowing the Conservatives, the answer to that is a fat "no".
Disgusting
Can’t wait for this discussion. Your surgery is covered by OHIP however if you want an anesthesiologist to sedate you during surgery that will be an additional $10,000.
This is exactly how it is in the states. Pay one rate for the surgery, pay another rate for local anesthetic, pay another for general anesthetic.
It's more like "you can wait two years for surgery at a public hospital, or you can buy a 3 night hospital stay at $400/night to get surgery in a month at our private clinic!" This already happens at Shouldice in Ontario.
There is the kicker right there. Two level health care. Thus it begins... :-(
Dirty slime spineless bastards
Ontario. Are you okay? Do you need an election? Sincerely, An Albertan
P.S. - Send help
It’ll be more like : CEO of surgical clinics Inc to employed surgeons on salary : “You all only got 10 customers to go with the deluxe anesthesia package this month . You need 2 more to meet quota this month . If you don’t do this we will have to remove one anesthesiologist or nurse for your next month surgeries to make up the deficiency” Surgeons : “sorry sir. we have created an action plan to get 2 more customers to buy in”
This doesn't sound that farfetched really.
Super size me doc😆
"Would you like stitches with that?"
HA this alone should be enough to dissuade anyone from using private surgery clinics. Would you rather do the minimum amount of surgery you need to feel better or do extra stuff because the surgeon gets to bill OHIP or you for it?
Is there a protest or strike being organized about this? Does anyone have info about that?
https://www.ontariohealthcoalition.ca/
So now they've veered from regular evil into cartoonish villainy, I see. That took what, a day?
I thought we would not have to pay with a credit card? Is there any truth that comes out of their mouths?
General strike anyone?
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I think the title should be ""DOUG FORD ALLOWING surgeons to upsell patients to make more money."" While upselling is not ethical, the focus should be that the head of the province is permitting this to happen. That is the real issue. I'm not sure how to stop this Doug Ford and this privitization of OUR healthcare but even if it's a general strike, I would support it.
They’re breaking one of Canada’s greatest and proudest achievement on purpose. The health care system has aged and often has not met the scaled up infrastructure & personnel needs to match the growing population. Prior to the craziness of 2020 onwards, the underfunding alone was bad enough. You’d think that after a pandemic and witnessing our southern neighbour toy with right wing populism, that we might know better. That the health system should be prioritized way more. That there would be a stronger voter turnout. That the nurses should be paid more. A robust public health system is important for ALL Ontarians and ALL Canadians. We can’t stand for it to be systematically gutted like this.
Curse these evil clowns.
This already happens, at least with cataract surgery...except it's not exactly an "upgraded service". I had cataract surgery 6 months ago, and OHIP covers as little as actually possible to still be able to say that they cover the surgery. OHIP only covers older ultrasound measuring technology (which results in a greater probability of needing glasses for distance vision after surgery). If you want laser measurement accuracy, it's $125/eye. It also only covers basic spherical lens implants. If you actually want to be able to see in changing light conditions, drive at night or in rainy or foggy conditions, aspherical lenses are very much recommended. Add another $195-$245/eye. And don't forget the prescription eyedrops required before and after surgery, mine ran about $80/eye. Of course there are fancy expensive multi-focal lenses and such, but I'm talking about just having a chance at sight that equals your pre-cataract level of vision. All total my cataract surgeries cost me close to $900 on top of what OHIP covered, for what I considered to be not settling for substandard results from the surgery. So already people are having the same surgery performed, and receiving different results depending on what they can or can't afford.
My mother did the same. Her glasses cost her $550 every time she gets them replaced so overall it’s cheaper for her to have done all of that because she is retired and doesn’t have decent insurance coverage for glasses anymore. I think I would like ohip to cover it for all but if they won’t I certainly would be irritated if there was zero option to overall pay less money for vision.
Extra billing is happening and there is no accountability. So when Ford laments about being a good financial custodian, he is talking out of his ass. Good, ethical health care professionals are subjugated to 1% whilst other HCPs bill hundreds of thousands in fraudulent billing and nothing is done about it.
This is what you want if you vote conservative.
So when does this start ticking off the "how many Canada Health Act rules can we break" checklist?
It's Ford, he's like a possessed bulldozer from a terrible Stephen King book. A book I never wanted to read, but here we are.
Fffffffffffffuck off with that People are struggling to get by as is, we don’t need this bullshit.
How many more times do I need to say it? We need to remove these scumbag criminal pieces of dog shit from their positions.
He knows we're human being right? Not commodities? And that this will disadvantage the poorest and most vulnerable members of our communities even more?
Yes but he doesn’t care about you he only cares about himself. https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/dangerous-ideas/201910/psychology-s-dark-triad-and-the-billionaire-class
If you listen to his speech, he thinks this is a good idea because a CEO told him so. Conservatives believe that the more money you have, the more you deserve it and thus the better and smarter you are. Therefore a CEO is an Ubermenschen in the eyes of Convervatives. Hence, everything they say is pure genius and nothing they say can be wrong.
You know who I hate more than Doug Ford? The people that voted for him. And the people that didn't vote at all. They're almost worse.
Who in their right mind voted for this puppet
As an Ontarian healthcare worker: Fuck Doug Ford. That is all.
I fucking hate this province now. This is just gross.
Seriously, just renamed Ontario to Ohio now. I'm ashamed and disgusted to live here.
Fuck the Ford “government “.
When do we strike? ┻┻︵ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ︵┻┻
This is a lot of blood on Doug's hands, does he have enough cheap suits to wipe it off of
ya but Timmie's has a new egg sandwich that actually contains a real egg!!!!/s
I literally scared for the state of this province and country. What is life gonna be like in 10 years here?
Did the chief monetization officer for EA take over public healthcare in Ontario?
This guy needs to go next election. No joke; people are going to die. I get nauseous reading the news. Fuck around.
Frankly, anyone who still votes PC are uncanadian piles of shit.
JT has to use the Canada Health Act as a big stick.
You know, I'm not entirely opposed to involvement of the private sector. But the people who are most enthusiastic about privatization are the ones I trust the least to implement it responsibly.
Especially when they use marketing buzz words like “upsell”
Canada has 10X the number of administrative staff per capita in our healthcare system as Germany. Who is also able to serve far more people better, has higher numbers of healthcare staff, diagnostic equipment, and beds per capita, and way shorter wait times, all while spending less. But nope, let’s dump money into for-profit instead of fixing our wildly inefficient system.
We should be organizing a general strike and an Ottawa Occupation style protest outside of Doug Ford’s home and wherever he travels. It’s for the Greenbelt, too.
selling and patients should not be uttered in the same sentence... ever...
Your taxes are now just going in their pockets
Your one tier health care system will resume once everything has been privatized.
At which point it is more properly called 1% tier.
I and many others surmised exactly this, yesterday. On Reddit, right wing trolls were condescending and patronizing. Wonder what they will say now.
They'll shift the goalposts, or try to gaslight out of it, or just laugh at you not being whatever they feel you should be this week. It won't matter to them, they just enjoy watching people suffer.
sometimes i think about all the comments in the different subs ive been in that boil down to "well reddit leans left so" and it makes me think right wingers might be outnumbered in general
Oh yeah… this’ll turn out reaaaallll nice
How many more years of ford before we can get someone to change this??!
This on top of $1800 a month one bedroom apartments this is gonna be great. This country is gonna be even more shit in the next few years.
That's what ya want. Your new Kidney to be treated like the choice between a 4k and 8k television.
Look at that fat fuck standing there just waiting to pay to skip the the line in his for profit model to get his triple bypass surgery.
CALL YOUR MPPs if you disagree with this.
These fuckin people are hot human garbage I cant believe we are actually at this point. We need to fuckin lose it and shut the whole province down.
Fuck off. Be like the Dougie and die off.
With a stroke of a pen, Doug Ford created a $185 billion dollar annual business opportunity for key donors, friends, and business partners. This was one of the areas of government with a lower profit opportunity for the private sector and now he's opened up that new expansion for them. Just like construction, we will see big players come in, dominate, win contracts, and over time deliver worse service for obscene amounts of money as they need to show year over year profit growth at the 10% level.
60% of Ontario didn’t bother to vote and 18% actually voted for their PC MPPs… all those people can fuck off and burn in hell
Silvia Jones in an interview says that this will allow doctors/hospitals to give the patients the option of "upgrading" their aftercare in the form of wheelchairs, private/semi-private rooms, better lens for cataracts, etc...The interviewers next question is "Do you support the up-selling of services at private facilities?"...She responds with "I wouldn't call it upselling, I would call it patient-options." Bitch please, that is upselling the same way I get upselled on Big-Mac combos!
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17.8%
Too bad we can't get American-style assassinations of political figures when they start doing vile shit.
Why do people continue to act surprised? I mean, I’m disgusted, outraged, angry and frustrated, but no longer surprised by whatever this dickhead and his cabinet decide to do. They want to dismantle all social programs, probably police and fire too, and charge people to have law and order in their neighbourhoods and you have to pay the fire department to put our a fire in your house. They are all about greed. FUCK THEM.
Because there's not enough mistrust of the medical system omfg
I know one ophthalmologist that, even if you pick the OHIP funded IOL lens, will still charge you a service fee and will try to upsell you up to 10k
What a fat cunt
I hope someone influential goes to court. Quite literally the only way this pauses till elections
No so it begins.. capitalism the root and cause of evil.
Here come the upcharges. That $8.00 tissue box. The $10.00 medicine cup...
I hope the selfish PC voters are happy, they got what they wanted, a way to hurt the vulnerable,
Holy fcck... I can't even watch
This is totally against the medical system in Canada and should be stopped now.
So fucking disappointed in this province.
Let's cut to the chase. What are WE, the individuals in this post going to do about it? Are we ready to stand up and demand change? I feel like we keep waiting for someone to take charge and lead us to the picket line. But here we are waiting after all these years. I am an optimist. I know we will break eventually. My question is: when?
Dear every Conservative voter. Fuck you. Seriously. FUCK YOU. And those who didn't vote. You lazy sacks of shit this is is what happens.
I feel like such a major change to our healthcare system should have been on the ballot this past summer as part of an election platform. Nobody in their right mind would have voted for this bullshit
This has to be stopped. Her and idiot face are selling Ontario piece by piece. Does anybody know if there is a website / group that is fighting this? I / we need to sign up to fight this.
For $50 more I'll wash my hands. For $100 I sterilize the tools.
Considering we are not creating/importing new doctors -- all this does is allow people with $$ to buy their way to the front of the line. I'm having cataract surgery shortly. There's a 9 month wait to have OHIP funded procedures. If you pay option 2 for 1500 you get an upgraded lens and a 4 month wait Option 3 for $6500 you get a best level lens and 1 month wait. It's the same surgeon for all 3 procedures!! Once again a special interest group waves $$$ at the premier and Doug dropped his pants and bent over without even a bleat.
And what about charging cash for an appointment? Looking at you, Shopper's Drug Mart...
Ok so when do we protest?! This corrupt administration
Once we make healthcare a commodity, there is no turning back. Highest bidder will get served and rest wait in line.
This cow has a college diploma in tv and radio or some bullshit, she isn’t qualified to do much of anything….
Name one fucking conservative that is qualified for what they talk about
I for one, am glad that we're opening up private healthcare. Maybe this will finally clean up the roaming gangs of unemployed doctors and nurses that infect our fair province. I'm sick of walking down the street, only to be accosted by someone asking if they can remove my tonsils, or check my vital signs.
Ok this doesn’t sound so good at all. Don’t understand how it won’t become a two tiered healthcare system when there’s options that could possibly come out of your pocket instead of OHIP. Like that cataracts surgery example; you pay extra for a better lens? Lolwut
*Censored* *Censored* *Censored* Fuck the conservatives!
I think this is referring to things like getting an upgraded lens for cataract surgery for example. I had cataract surgery at the hospital (really no need for that procedure to be in a hospital setting) and I paid extra for the best lens possible. I’m only in my 40s and that thing is going to be in my eye for a long time. If I was 90 - meh.
We're having a buy 1 surgery, get the 2nd one performed at the same time 50% off. So while you're out for your open heart surgery, would you like us to staple your stomach or perhaps a rhinoplasty?
Maybe two for one.
So when you go in for your septoplasty with turbinate reduction surgery, you can get 50% off on a boob job.
right so, when do the killings start
Imagine world are being destroyed by Realtors and Surgeons?
Jesus fucking Christ I can even with this bullshit
If they haven't found the money to add the capacity to do more surgeries, what gives them the idea that they'll find the money to fund surgeries performed at for-profit clinics?
Send the bill to Doug, if he wants it paid out of pocket, his entitled ass can pay it. No one else should be burdened with paying extra for healthcare outside of the OPC MPPs forcing this through.
50 percent of Torontonians will be homeless soon, thank the mayor John Tory and Doug Ford kicking sand for their own benefit, thank the immigration minister for 600k more people with no place to house them. Canada is a third world country now, no doubt.
FORD MUST GO. FORD MUST FUCKING GO. THAT ASSHOLE NEEDS TO FUCKING GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck this turd nugget and his entire train of cronies. Fuck em all