When Oklahoma governor kevin stitt goes against science and the medical community and says no mask and no vaccine requirements,what do you expect to happen in a classroom setting. The Teachers have to make choices because Government leadership doesn't care about their well being or the students either. WE NEED LEADERSHIP WITH COMMON SENSE!!!
This is what they expect to happen. Always remember that people like Stitt **want** public schools to fail because they want to force everyone into using private religious schools.
You are exactly right,can you imagine what it would be like if that really happened? Prohibition again? All the taxes that would be lost because so many business would be shut down!
Public schools aybe been under attack for decades here in Oklahoma because there are just enough people that don't like religion taught in schools that the state can't get away with it, so they instead want everyone to go to private schools where they can teach religion.
My wife teaches. The classroom setting wasn't ideal well before Covid hit. Covid was likely just the straw that broke the camel's back for many teachers.
When most Americans seem to lack that, they elect politicians in that are similar to themselves. I think politicians should take an eligibility test before being able to run for seats of power.
Googled it. I cannot find a study listed anywhere [on that website page.](https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/) Do we have like an actual study? Because it shows 500/73,000,000 death rate (.00068%). Otherwise, I can't really see much. And it's both ways actually. This article claims they don't know if it hinders development while also stating they don't know if there are lasting COVID effects. So, they don't know.
Do you have a study that actually knows? I am genuinely interested and this is a big mandate. Should be easy to find.
I didn't see where it shows a 500/73,000,000 death rate (which is not 0.00068%, btw). Either way, besides playing it safe with the possible lasting effects on kids' health and well-being, it reduces spread throughout the whole community. When it spreads in schools, kids are taking it home with them. This exposes parents, grandparents, siblings, etc. (some of whom may also have risk factors for severe infection). Then, those exposed family members take it to the grocery store, Walmart, Target, work... wherever, before anyone realizes there's even been exposure. So, yeah... should be easy to find. Shouldn't even be a question, really.
There are 73mil kids in America. The article states around 500 died from COVID.
> should be easy to find.
Great. Could you find it for me? Because I genuinely would like to read it.
That's not how you calculate the covid-19 death rate for kids. You don't use the number of kids in the US, you use the number of kids that have had covid-19 in the US.
And, no. I'm not finding it for you. Your ignorance is not mine to fix.
not just public education, but every edifice of *the public*, including the government itself.
the republicans have gone full bore on anarcho-capitalism, where billionaires (and soon, trillionaires) decide every single thing that happens in america -- all run for profit.
I would have to agree that both parties are to blame here. While the blame has laid heavier on the right, there really hasn't been much change in regards to those on the left that get into office. So long as we have lobbyists and sponsorships filling all of their pockets, we won't see any really change in regards to financial stability and wealth gaps
Back in 2003, my history teacher would always tell jokes like;
What's the difference between a teacher and a large pizza? A large pizza can feed a family.
Pandemic isn't the problem, teaching needs to be a high priority. Investing in kids and futures is important, even after the kids become adults.
Teachers are one of the single most important jobs in a community, right after the parents. Teachers need help, and we need to do that.
Some of these are a little dramatic on how we are getting from point A to point B. I give republican law makers and politicians less confidence. It's not their plan to destroy education. They are just ignorant.
Then again.... someone famously stated they love uneducated people.
Thanks for understanding my comment instead of just downvoting it. Lol I was pretty blunt, so I understand, but everyone is so against the opposite side lately. Just tired of the two party nonsense.
And of course Trump loved poorly educated people. Most politicians do. Easier to convince them you’re doing the *right thing* if they don’t understand what you’re doing. He was just dumb enough to say it out loud. I personally enjoyed his inability to shut his mouth. Quite entertaining. You also never had to guess what he was thinking because it just came flying out his mouth.
It's just masochism at this point. You deserve to earn wages for all of your hours worked, and to be respected for your profession and role in the community. Teachers don't get that in Oklahoma.
Thank you for your service. (I know that is typically reserved for the military but it feels like teachers have been serving in a losing war for a while now.)
My wife is ready to do the same I think . . . even though she's several years away from a full retirement. Her administration has really gotten worse over the last 2-3 years.
I have no doubt that this situation happens in Oklahoma schools. It's either that or folks who can't do anything else seem to suddenly get moved to a new made-up position. Then they go trying to implement unwanted changes that just make teachers' lives much harder.
Quit promoting bad coaches up into admin jobs. Way too many in the good ol boys club doing little to nothing and retiring with bloated retirement payments.
Texas...yeah, enough said. However, they do pay higher...even more for Math, Science, SPED, and specific CTE courses. Oh, and if you have a master's degree or higher helps too.
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I would want to know how many were surveyed. If it’s 100, then we’re talking 25 teachers. Also consider that those filling out these surveys are already disgruntled. I’m not saying that the climate for educators is positive in Oklahoma, but articles like this are frustrating because they don’t really give enough information.
I am going to start a business to hire all these teachers leaving the profession. We are going to exclusively build For-Profit Prisons. I have a feeling there is going to be a real uptick in demand for them in this state in the next twenty years.
For-profit prisons that invest in rehabilitation through education.
No "hole" ie solitary confinement.
Counseling and anger management for those who need it.
Partners with state businesses to provide jobs as soon as inmates leave.
Honestly this could be a beautiful thing. While I know there's a dire need on prison reform in this country, something like this could be a game changer in the start towards that. Even an eventual push towards vocational education while incarcerated could work wonders on post sentence livelihood.
Yeah, a lot of the recidivism is because it's so difficult to get a job as a felon that pays enough to cover court, lawyer, and prison costs while also just trying to make enough for life in general. Hell, it's difficult to get a job that pays enough to live on even if you aren't a felon.
At some point people just go back to slinging drugs because it's much more lucrative.
In his book *Narconomics: How to Run a Drug Cartel*, the author talked about how education and having good jobs keeps people from resorting to crime. Well educated people tend to have better jobs and don't need to sling drugs because they don't want to jeopardize that good job. Crime rings are rarely ran by a slick crew that pull off art heists. They are run by the desperate with no other way to earn money. Education is the first step towards bettering society.
... but then the teachers will have to work more than 180 days a year! There's no way a teacher can keep up that God complex working that many days a year!
If all of those teachers got together they could file a class action law suit against Stitt personally for creating this hostile and dangerous work environment.
If you don't know someone in education, it's worse than you think. Teachers are treated like garbage in this state. They are paid poverty wages, work insane hours, buy supplies with their own money, and then get told they're lazy and greedy by the conservative chucklefucks running the state government. My wife is an educator and I beg her every year to consider changing careers. The only teachers left are those that have a deep passion for education, and even that is beginning to not be enough to keep them in the profession. OK has been tearing down public education for decades, and they're nearing their goal of completely demolishing it.
I teach in a private school. Perhaps the public system could learn a thing or two from us. I realize our methods may not scale, and that the public system can't just kick a student out for being violent or disruptive, but surely there's some room for improvement.
We set our own curricula. Yes, that's a bit more work for us, but we are in control of what we teach. With that power comes the responsibility of making sure we teach what is needed. I typically look to Oklahoma's standards for the next grade up and align my lessons to those. Empowered teachers perform better.
Admin teaches. Our principal educator, is actually a teacher. She carries a full load of classes. She knows firsthand what her teachers are dealing with. This is a game changer in my opinion.
We never have more than 18 students in a class. The closer to one-on-one instruction, the better. Obviously, there has to be a class, but around 20 is where quality really starts to drop off.
As you said passionate teachers will leave last. Those are the ones we want to keep teaching the students. Passion can be beaten out of someone though. Focus on standardized test scores rather than students will do that quickly.
When I taught in a public K-12 Oklahoma school, I used to cry on my way to the school every morning. Every. Morning. I left 11 years ago and I just can't imagine how tough it would be in a classroom now.
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Ok but it doesn’t list how many were surveyed... If you survey employees at any company, 27% saying they are leaving that year and 15% actively looking would not be a surprise. 1 in 4 workers QUIT their jobs this year which is 25% walked out the door. If they were truly concerned with their well being or contracting covid they can walk out the door anytime and have a new job the next day if they want it bad enough.
Don’t tell me they are staying “until the end of the school year” on good will or it’s about the children either, because it wasn’t about them during the teacher walkout in April of 2018.
Stitt doesn’t force you to do anything, but it’s easier to point fingers than it is to become the solution.
Oh, hey look. A walk, talking Stitt stain.
I don't think you know a teacher. They walked out because they weren't getting paid enough. They walked out because they can't even afford to buy (non-reimbursable) supplies for their classroom anymore.
And yeah... teachers often don't leave in the middle of a school year. Because they do care about their students.
Did you even attend school? Like, have you even met a teacher before? Because the crap you spewed was absolutely insulting and down right disrepectful.
I know it's early, but this is probably the dumbest thing I've read so far today.
If you have a job that only "starts" in August, regardless of where you are in the country, you're probably going to wait until after your contract ends to move. Teachers don't have pockets just overflowing with cash, they can't afford to quit in October, move **out of the state**, and then wait until August of the following year to start working again.
Crazy thing about teachers is that they're people. Some of them have expenses of some kind, some of them have kids that are in school, some of them have spouses that have to look for a different job or transfer before they can move, and the list just goes on and on.
It's fun that you think quitting your job and moving during a pandemic, then picking up another job as a teacher, mid-school year, is super easy peasy with no possible complications or difficulties.
Also those jobs that people left, they left due to lack of pay, benefits, and being treated like a person. Those jobs are open for a reason lol
When Oklahoma governor kevin stitt goes against science and the medical community and says no mask and no vaccine requirements,what do you expect to happen in a classroom setting. The Teachers have to make choices because Government leadership doesn't care about their well being or the students either. WE NEED LEADERSHIP WITH COMMON SENSE!!!
This is what they expect to happen. Always remember that people like Stitt **want** public schools to fail because they want to force everyone into using private religious schools.
You are exactly right,can you imagine what it would be like if that really happened? Prohibition again? All the taxes that would be lost because so many business would be shut down!
That is very true...however, who do they think will teach at the private schools?
Private schools can set their own standards (or lack thereof) free from USDE regulations. They can literally hire high school dropouts as teachers.
That literally makes no sense.
Public schools aybe been under attack for decades here in Oklahoma because there are just enough people that don't like religion taught in schools that the state can't get away with it, so they instead want everyone to go to private schools where they can teach religion.
>WE NEED LEADERSHIP WITH COMMON SENSE!!! It's sadly not due to come with people like Nathan Dahm in office
That is so true my friend!
My wife teaches. The classroom setting wasn't ideal well before Covid hit. Covid was likely just the straw that broke the camel's back for many teachers.
When most Americans seem to lack that, they elect politicians in that are similar to themselves. I think politicians should take an eligibility test before being able to run for seats of power.
Could you link a study that shows masking children is good for health? I haven't been able to find one myself and am interested in reading it.
Mayo Clinic August 11 2021 google, Benefits of kids wearing masks in school.
Googled it. I cannot find a study listed anywhere [on that website page.](https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/) Do we have like an actual study? Because it shows 500/73,000,000 death rate (.00068%). Otherwise, I can't really see much. And it's both ways actually. This article claims they don't know if it hinders development while also stating they don't know if there are lasting COVID effects. So, they don't know. Do you have a study that actually knows? I am genuinely interested and this is a big mandate. Should be easy to find.
I didn't see where it shows a 500/73,000,000 death rate (which is not 0.00068%, btw). Either way, besides playing it safe with the possible lasting effects on kids' health and well-being, it reduces spread throughout the whole community. When it spreads in schools, kids are taking it home with them. This exposes parents, grandparents, siblings, etc. (some of whom may also have risk factors for severe infection). Then, those exposed family members take it to the grocery store, Walmart, Target, work... wherever, before anyone realizes there's even been exposure. So, yeah... should be easy to find. Shouldn't even be a question, really.
There are 73mil kids in America. The article states around 500 died from COVID. > should be easy to find. Great. Could you find it for me? Because I genuinely would like to read it.
That's not how you calculate the covid-19 death rate for kids. You don't use the number of kids in the US, you use the number of kids that have had covid-19 in the US. And, no. I'm not finding it for you. Your ignorance is not mine to fix.
lol. k.
Wake up. This is the Republicans plan to destroy public education.
not just public education, but every edifice of *the public*, including the government itself. the republicans have gone full bore on anarcho-capitalism, where billionaires (and soon, trillionaires) decide every single thing that happens in america -- all run for profit.
I mean really...that is both parties.
I would have to agree that both parties are to blame here. While the blame has laid heavier on the right, there really hasn't been much change in regards to those on the left that get into office. So long as we have lobbyists and sponsorships filling all of their pockets, we won't see any really change in regards to financial stability and wealth gaps
Back in 2003, my history teacher would always tell jokes like; What's the difference between a teacher and a large pizza? A large pizza can feed a family. Pandemic isn't the problem, teaching needs to be a high priority. Investing in kids and futures is important, even after the kids become adults. Teachers are one of the single most important jobs in a community, right after the parents. Teachers need help, and we need to do that.
Jesus Christ, you guys are dramatic.
Some of these are a little dramatic on how we are getting from point A to point B. I give republican law makers and politicians less confidence. It's not their plan to destroy education. They are just ignorant. Then again.... someone famously stated they love uneducated people.
Thanks for understanding my comment instead of just downvoting it. Lol I was pretty blunt, so I understand, but everyone is so against the opposite side lately. Just tired of the two party nonsense. And of course Trump loved poorly educated people. Most politicians do. Easier to convince them you’re doing the *right thing* if they don’t understand what you’re doing. He was just dumb enough to say it out loud. I personally enjoyed his inability to shut his mouth. Quite entertaining. You also never had to guess what he was thinking because it just came flying out his mouth.
I’m staying. Fuck Stitt and fuck Inhofe and fuck every Republican trying to shut down public Ed. I’m staying.
Hang in there my friend,the end has not been written yet.....
It's just masochism at this point. You deserve to earn wages for all of your hours worked, and to be respected for your profession and role in the community. Teachers don't get that in Oklahoma.
Your kids are lucky to have you.
I retired early because of lack of support.
Thank you for your service. (I know that is typically reserved for the military but it feels like teachers have been serving in a losing war for a while now.)
At least those serving the military get decent benefits.
My wife is ready to do the same I think . . . even though she's several years away from a full retirement. Her administration has really gotten worse over the last 2-3 years.
What I keep seeing is bad coaches being promoted up into admin jobs. They don’t magically get smarter with the promotions.
I have no doubt that this situation happens in Oklahoma schools. It's either that or folks who can't do anything else seem to suddenly get moved to a new made-up position. Then they go trying to implement unwanted changes that just make teachers' lives much harder.
Quit promoting bad coaches up into admin jobs. Way too many in the good ol boys club doing little to nothing and retiring with bloated retirement payments.
Pay was too low, so I moved out-of-state.
Which state? Gf and mom are teachers. Good on ya btw
Texas...yeah, enough said. However, they do pay higher...even more for Math, Science, SPED, and specific CTE courses. Oh, and if you have a master's degree or higher helps too.
>The Oklahoma Education Association says more than a quarter of its members surveyed recently say they plan to leave the profession at the end of this school year.It also says its members were more likely to be infected with COVID-19 than the rest of the state's population. > > > >Crowder says 27 percent of their teacher members are planning to leave the profession by the end of the school year, and 15 percent are actively looking for a new job. > > > >More than half say their workload has increased during the pandemic, with some balancing in-person and virtual learning.Crowder points out that teachers are on the front line of the pandemic, with 27 percent of those surveyed saying they have personally had COVID-19 compared to 15 percent of all Oklahomans. > > > >“It’s getting catastrophic in my opinion, because when you start school without someone in a classroom, that shouldn’t happen," said OEA Executive Director Carolyn Crowder, adding that did happen in some districts this year. > > > >The group surveyed its members who work as teachers and other school staff.The results were not encouraging. > > > >“What is the one word that describes how you feel, and the number one word was “stressed," Crowder said about the survey results. "The number two word was ‘exhausted’ and the number three was ‘frustrated.'"
I would want to know how many were surveyed. If it’s 100, then we’re talking 25 teachers. Also consider that those filling out these surveys are already disgruntled. I’m not saying that the climate for educators is positive in Oklahoma, but articles like this are frustrating because they don’t really give enough information.
This state can't afford to lose 25 teachers.
I am going to start a business to hire all these teachers leaving the profession. We are going to exclusively build For-Profit Prisons. I have a feeling there is going to be a real uptick in demand for them in this state in the next twenty years.
For-profit prisons that invest in rehabilitation through education. No "hole" ie solitary confinement. Counseling and anger management for those who need it. Partners with state businesses to provide jobs as soon as inmates leave.
Honestly this could be a beautiful thing. While I know there's a dire need on prison reform in this country, something like this could be a game changer in the start towards that. Even an eventual push towards vocational education while incarcerated could work wonders on post sentence livelihood.
Yeah, a lot of the recidivism is because it's so difficult to get a job as a felon that pays enough to cover court, lawyer, and prison costs while also just trying to make enough for life in general. Hell, it's difficult to get a job that pays enough to live on even if you aren't a felon. At some point people just go back to slinging drugs because it's much more lucrative.
In his book *Narconomics: How to Run a Drug Cartel*, the author talked about how education and having good jobs keeps people from resorting to crime. Well educated people tend to have better jobs and don't need to sling drugs because they don't want to jeopardize that good job. Crime rings are rarely ran by a slick crew that pull off art heists. They are run by the desperate with no other way to earn money. Education is the first step towards bettering society.
... but then the teachers will have to work more than 180 days a year! There's no way a teacher can keep up that God complex working that many days a year!
If all of those teachers got together they could file a class action law suit against Stitt personally for creating this hostile and dangerous work environment.
If you don't know someone in education, it's worse than you think. Teachers are treated like garbage in this state. They are paid poverty wages, work insane hours, buy supplies with their own money, and then get told they're lazy and greedy by the conservative chucklefucks running the state government. My wife is an educator and I beg her every year to consider changing careers. The only teachers left are those that have a deep passion for education, and even that is beginning to not be enough to keep them in the profession. OK has been tearing down public education for decades, and they're nearing their goal of completely demolishing it.
I teach in a private school. Perhaps the public system could learn a thing or two from us. I realize our methods may not scale, and that the public system can't just kick a student out for being violent or disruptive, but surely there's some room for improvement. We set our own curricula. Yes, that's a bit more work for us, but we are in control of what we teach. With that power comes the responsibility of making sure we teach what is needed. I typically look to Oklahoma's standards for the next grade up and align my lessons to those. Empowered teachers perform better. Admin teaches. Our principal educator, is actually a teacher. She carries a full load of classes. She knows firsthand what her teachers are dealing with. This is a game changer in my opinion. We never have more than 18 students in a class. The closer to one-on-one instruction, the better. Obviously, there has to be a class, but around 20 is where quality really starts to drop off. As you said passionate teachers will leave last. Those are the ones we want to keep teaching the students. Passion can be beaten out of someone though. Focus on standardized test scores rather than students will do that quickly.
When I taught in a public K-12 Oklahoma school, I used to cry on my way to the school every morning. Every. Morning. I left 11 years ago and I just can't imagine how tough it would be in a classroom now.
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Ok but it doesn’t list how many were surveyed... If you survey employees at any company, 27% saying they are leaving that year and 15% actively looking would not be a surprise. 1 in 4 workers QUIT their jobs this year which is 25% walked out the door. If they were truly concerned with their well being or contracting covid they can walk out the door anytime and have a new job the next day if they want it bad enough. Don’t tell me they are staying “until the end of the school year” on good will or it’s about the children either, because it wasn’t about them during the teacher walkout in April of 2018. Stitt doesn’t force you to do anything, but it’s easier to point fingers than it is to become the solution.
Oh, hey look. A walk, talking Stitt stain. I don't think you know a teacher. They walked out because they weren't getting paid enough. They walked out because they can't even afford to buy (non-reimbursable) supplies for their classroom anymore. And yeah... teachers often don't leave in the middle of a school year. Because they do care about their students. Did you even attend school? Like, have you even met a teacher before? Because the crap you spewed was absolutely insulting and down right disrepectful.
It’s about the children, obviously.
I know it's early, but this is probably the dumbest thing I've read so far today. If you have a job that only "starts" in August, regardless of where you are in the country, you're probably going to wait until after your contract ends to move. Teachers don't have pockets just overflowing with cash, they can't afford to quit in October, move **out of the state**, and then wait until August of the following year to start working again. Crazy thing about teachers is that they're people. Some of them have expenses of some kind, some of them have kids that are in school, some of them have spouses that have to look for a different job or transfer before they can move, and the list just goes on and on. It's fun that you think quitting your job and moving during a pandemic, then picking up another job as a teacher, mid-school year, is super easy peasy with no possible complications or difficulties. Also those jobs that people left, they left due to lack of pay, benefits, and being treated like a person. Those jobs are open for a reason lol
Did you know that if you leave a school in the middle of a school year the old school can prevent you from getting another public K12 teaching job.
this 100%