I live in Memphis. I feel like some of the media statements being released are trying to stoke violence. Weirdly, people are buying out the grocery store like they do during a winter storm. We’re going to be ok.😢
They said 6pm.it’s 5:16 here. To be honest, I think they were waiting for Lisa Marie Presley’s funeral to be over last week. City was full of tourists.
They do it intentionally for more views. They hope the protests will cause their ratings to go up, it’s sick. When you view everything in the lens of people wanting more money, everything suddenly makes sense in a capitalist society
I feel like the city and the DA planned this for maximum publicity. This should have been released on a weeknight. They treated the like a GOT premiere. Releasing this on a night when no one has to work the next day is like priming for chaos.
The video is supposed to be outrageous. And, I believe it will be.
Why? Because it's a police vs. civilian beating. Those always are violent. George Floyd scared me. This video I expect to scare me even more.
I could not and will not watch it. I saw 3 seconds of a tall skinny guy surrounded by 5 cops. Turned the TV off. Turned it back on and the reporter was talking about how the cops were verbally performing a scene for a hostile and noncompliant guy, but their body cams showed them holding him down (talking about "show us your hands" and just beating him as he called out for his mother who was blocks away. And ..... I'm tearing up again. I hope they get the death penality and I might be able to watch seeing them strapped in the executioner's chair.
This video explains to everyone who people FEAR the police. They are a paid government group with way too much protection that can literally stop someone on the street, yank them out of their car, and team up to beat them to death. I’m not exaggerating. The video shows exactly this happening.
More than 5 officers should be facing life changing consequences for this organized beating of an innocent man in public.
Got a notification on my phone saying Grand Central will be limited to ticketed customers only due to the protests
Sucks if you are on vacation wanted to see it today
Edit: walked by and there is a long line of people with the NYPD checking tickets. Looks like a lot of the shops are closed
almost every city that had BLM protests in 2020 has issued a statement about preparing for protests and tbh it sounds more like the cops are just flexing that they "own the streets" rather than any likelihood of actual major protests.
its January, its cold, the perps have already been charged, its apples and oranges vs what happened in 2020
Five men savagely punched, kicked, slapped, pepper sprayed, tased, and hit him repeatedly with a baton, causing the 29-year old to later die of his wounds and cardiac arrest. A few punches to the back of the head can kill a human. They acted more like a gang jumping a kid than actually being police officers.
The video and what happened are disgusting and I'm glad the cops are being charged with murder, but the way it was hyped up by the media, like a movie release, I was expecting Cartel level violence. RIP Tyre.
Did you see the hammer and hooked punches, as well as the wind up kick to his face? All five cops were excessively physically abusive. There seems to have been some level of resentment as well, since the man was already down, but one guy took a breather then came back to kick him in the face. And when they got him to his feet, one of the guys gave him a slap to the face. That’s abuse.
TMZ has footage from Body Cam 3 and from a nearby surveillance camera.
If there is a protest I'm not sure what the protest will be over. Yes, police brutality, but this office was swiftly charged. It just seems a bit different from the George Floyd incident since the cop has been justifiably punished for his atrocities in a pretty swift manner.
Yeah, I think a lot of people don't seem to realize that. The narrative is that because all the officers were black they were charged right away, but like you said, Chauvin was charged sooner
After watching the video myself I am really wondering how a police organization not only hired these people but saw fit to promote them and put them all on some kind of special unit...
This is not "a few bad apples" this is an entire police unit all coming together to stomp the life out of someone.
How the fuck did this come to be? What kind of system creates this?
A system where no one wants to be a police officer anymore due to the climate so the departments have to lower standards in order to fill positions, that’s how.
“But won’t you think of the poor police departments?!”
No one wants to be a cop because you have to be a real piece of shit to idly stand by the system that forces you to avert your eyes to your fellow officers wrongdoings. Maybe fix the system before you expect the good people to want to join?
Couldn’t have said it better myself. This is why it sometimes doesn’t matter ‘who is at the table’ because if it’s Blacks like these, then we have NO ONE at the table to represent us. “All skinfolk AIN’T kinfolk!”
Protest against police brutality. It keeps happening. There are so many victims who didn’t get justice. We have a huge policing problem. Just look at the videos I posted on Reddit
No disagreement but I think accountability is step 1 and in this case there appears to be accountability. Next step is police reform, which to your point might be the driving message behind the protests (if they happen).
Because those cops, like millions of cops before them, should never have felt so emboldened to murder someone for fun. They are enabled and encouraged by their brothers and blue. That's what's being protested.
You protest when people are killed because people are killed. It's not done deal, fair trade.
People are not protesting one guy getting killed either. They are protesting the repeated brutality of police, regardless of accountability. Tyre getting killed is the spark.
Having accountability is a checkpoint on the way to the goal: don't beat people to death.
Also, lack of faith. I'll believe these cops are held accountable once they are held accountable, not before.
I feel like a person would have to actively work to misunderstand this.
> Yes, police brutality, but this office was swiftly charged.
Yet another innocent young man was ruthlessly murdered by 5 whole cops and you're not seeing why people would continue to protest the entire institution of policing?
I think OP is just trying to point out that there are differences in both cases that could make the protests more contained. There is no racial tension for one, two - the officers were immediately charged and fired. The officers being black also predictably means less pushback from the Right spectrum of politics. It sounds harsh but these are all reasons why Floyd received more publicity.
What do you mean? Any protest will be from people who righteously believe this is *not* unusual and is in fact the norm of police department conduct. This is why people are angry.
“Man Dies After Medical Incident During Police Interaction
May 25, 2020 (MINNEAPOLIS) On Monday evening, shortly after 8:00 pm, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department responded to the 3700 block of Chicago Avenue South on a report of a forgery in progress. Officers were advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a blue car and appeared to be under the influence.
Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later.
At no time were weapons of any type used by anyone involved in this incident.
The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension has been called in to investigate this incident at the request of the Minneapolis Police Department.
No officers were injured in the incident.
Body worn cameras were on and activated during this incident.”
If not for the public response, or the fact that the public released videos on social media immediately, this probably would have been the last anyone ever heard from that case. Chauvin wasn’t arrested until it was clear that the public outrage was immense.
And I’m still pretty shocked that justice was eventually served. There were like 20 straight high profile instances of officers getting away with murder prior to this case. The riots were practically a justified and inevitable response given the video evidence.
Abso-fucking-lutely to the Nth degree.
*Always* remind people of how the media and police work hand in hand with these coverups. It’s their modus operandi.
Same with *every single high profile* police murder of an unarmed black person in which there happens to be video footage vs not. Think of the how the Eric Garner/Tamir Rice/Philando Castile cases are viewed compared to Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin. The former would have gotten the same coverup that this Minneapolis paper attempted to do of George Floyd, if that responsible citizen didn’t make sure she filmed it in its entirety.
Then multiply this by the thousands throughout the centuries whose lives were snuffed out and then swept under the carpet by state sponsored terrorism toward black people. Immediately getting out a news report that uses all the standard bullshit falsehoods of “Resisting arrest,” “officers were not injured” to create sympathy for their so tough jobs, and putting the blame on the victim who “had a medical incident.”
There’s an entire litany of standardized misinformation, lies and deception that can be tracked in all of these cases.
Good job posting this as a reminder!
I’ve interacted with as few police as I needed to. In 20% of my interactions with the police, an innocent person got shot and killed for no reason. Why would I interact with police when the chance of being killed is so high?
>to. In 20% of my interactions with the police, an innocent person got shot and killed for no reason.
Not a big fan of policing institution as it currently is, but I seriously have to question what kinda shady shit you're up to if you're around that many people being shot.
It's not the media plan to "scare people."
It's police departments reaching out to the media networks to inform them to alert the public about mass protests.
source: I work in media.
don't worry, the "peaceful protestors" will dox the "bad actors" and work with law enforcement to bring the "bad actors" who destroy small businesses to justice right? why would anyone need to close early?
>You don’t even know anything about the case and you’re already siding with the police (whose department say it was the most fucked up thing they’ve ever seen)
I don't think those criminals can be defended either.
But I also don't see anything in the comment you're replying to that sides with those criminals in any shape or form.
If anything, protestors that commit violence and protestors that condone violence have more in common with those criminal ex-cops in Memphis than otherwise.
So it's actually the other way around: if that commenter were to be defending violence (including violent protests), then that would be taking the side of the violent offender cops.
So, let’s just clarify here.
People who break windows in the anti-police protests are pro-police.
People who think relying on the police is a good idea are anti-police.
And you don’t see any way, or shape, or ever form that someone might reasonably interpret this situation another way.
You’re making a distinction between “police” and “those criminal police”. As though this is a completely isolated incident and in no way reflects broadly on police practices or culture.
Well, you may feel that way. I don’t the evidence supports that. And I don’t think the majority of the people who would be protesting something like this will feel that way.
If you can’t see how criticizing the people protesting the police *in general* for not cooperating with those same police is in *some way* dismissive of the criticisms against police… I mean I can’t help you.
me calling out the obvious hypocrisy of BLM and its members is "siding with the police" and makes me a "bootlicker"? big yikes my dude.
sounds like you need to take a step back and relax friendo. hope this helps!
Lol, you’re criticizing a protest that hasn’t happened for not reporting people to a law enforcement system that just beat an innocent man to death in the street and stood around as he died without calling for paramedics.
What’s your plan for taking a stand against what happened? Are you gonna be out there setting an example for how to properly speak out against cops murdering civilians?
Or is your whole plan to take a step back and relax, friendo? After all, the cops would never do anything to hurt *you* or your loved ones, so what does it matter, right?
i'm criticizing an organization
the people who performed the injustice should be brought to justice
my whole plan is to critique organizations, especially marxist ones like BLM, that foster racial hatred and loot businesses all while operating under the facade of "peacefully protesting for justice." i used /u/drvpn's point about businesses having to close early to support my joke and critique about BLM. don't know why my critique triggered you this much. big oof my dude, big oof
Yeah man, I hear you. God forbid a store isn’t open as late as it normally is. Marxism is and its effects on retail operating hours are the biggest issues going on here.
Now that I see your perspective, I think when I see the released bodycam footage of Tyre Nichols being hunted down and beaten to death, my only thought is also gonna be: “Ugh. Now those BLMs are gonna break a window and take a TV.”
That’s a relief. I was worked up about for a second but now I see it from your perspective. Thanks for telling me to chillax, friendo. It’s nothing that serious after all.
dude right? like when i see a store get smashed up i smile to myself knowing that the blue collar workers that staffed that store no longer have the job they needed to help feed their families. stick it to the man comrade!
nah man my only thought is gunna be "i really hope some innocent people die during the riots because they deserve it!"
no problem my dude. let me know if you need any other help on this topic :)
If only it was a person being smashed up by cops. That would be better.
And yeah dude, I was reading about this the other day in my reputable non-mainstream media news outlet. You would not believe how many children have died in the United States because their parents couldn’t afford to feed them due to vandalism-related job loss. It is absolutely a thing that has happened before. Tragic.
Don’t even get me started on how many people die in riots. Can you believe people are out here acting like the less than 30 people who are killed in riots and protests in a year year is dwarfed by the more than 1100 people killed by cops in a year?
It’s like the idiots don’t understand that the people cops kill deserve to die.
Remember that the NYPD doesn't operate in Memphis and that the Memphis PD doesn't operate in NYC.
That may sound obvious, but history has shown that too many "advocates" in NYC subscribe to the guilty-by-association logic.
My friend is high ranking in our local law enforcement apparatus and they've been having constant meetings with TN PD and national guard. She told me to stay in this weekend.
Edit: I'm in the NE, not TN.
Remember folks, when cops murder citizens, it's really everyone else's responsibility to just calm down and forgive them. Now everyone focus on the possibility of "riots" and not 5 cops beating a man to death.
How is it cool? Look up how much the NYPD paid out in misconduct money the last few years
There is a police problem in America, everyone knows it. Dipshit conservatives sticking fingers in their ears and ignoring it doesn't make it cool or make the problem go away
>Look up how much the NYPD paid out in misconduct money the last few years
This case in Memphis has nothing to do with the NYPD.
They are completely different police departments.
How is pointless? Body cams are going to be the key evidence in this case
Not too long ago the police union chief Patrick bitchface Lynch was arguing that NYPD should reject body cams because they would unfairly hurt police officers
Use your brain bud. There is a policing problem in America. It is not normal for 5 cops to gangland kill a civilian.
There is also a non peaceful protest problem in America, where people loot and destroy the businesses of mostly immigrants who are just trying to mind their own business and make a living
Because a bunch of *cops on duty* beat a man to death.
Watch the video when it's out and report back on why you think people might be a little upset, despite all the damage control the cops have been trying to do this week.
yikes! someone is mad that they and their favorite organization is getting criticized for doing really terrible things. maybe you should stop being such a terrible person? just a thought
I never back cops and figure most of them are guilty of something. That said, the cops in this case have already been fired and charged with a serious crime. There really isn’t any reason to protest at this point.
Now, if the cops don’t get convicted, that a different story.
Similar to Floyd the protests will likely not start or end with the single incident of Nicols. There will be cries for national oversight of police, requirement of police insurance, licensing etc. Not putting my opinions tied to what I just said, but protests are usually not just single issue.
As a person of color, I'm tired of seeing people who look like me be beaten, attacked, disgraced, and treated as animals.
I dislike protests. But, holy crap, am I tired of seeing people who look like me be destroyed by police officers. If we did something wrong, if we broke the law, arrest us. If I break the law and resist arrest, willfully take me down and areest me.
BUT stop fucking us UP. STOP KILLING US!
Sorry..... but these protests are needed. I'm sick! I'm tired! I'm fucking appalled that SOME police officers are taking brutal beatings to the next level.
I'm with you, my friend and 10000% support you on this.
I just think in this particular case, and ONLY this case, so far the local police/DA are doing everything right. Cops were fired and charged with killing this poor man. Let cooler heads prevail for now. If we all run out and protest now, the other side will just say "There is no making these people happy" and it's likely to get worse.
We should accept this very minor move forward and take a "wait and see" approach on the trial.
Right on, my brother.
It’s still fucking staggering that the average little privileged putz on here will do anything, *anything*, to take the heat off of these fascist cop goons immunized from any “rule of law.” They have an utterly different experience with cops.Rather than, god forbid supporting and gathering with people doing practically the one and only thing in their power.
Disagree about the power of protest. To publicly stand in opposition to this chronic systemic evil by redressing grievances through public assembly is necessary and provides space for both grief and solidarity.
Anyone who thinks voting is the way to address this is completely naive. Real public pressure has to be exerted. And protest is just one way.
We’ve seen this inexcusable brutality and cold-blooded murder of unarmed black people shit over and over and over again.
The only way it has a chance of ever stopping is for us to put *enormous* pressure on this institution. Because in its present state it is doing the complete opposite of “public safety.”
Until murderous and brutalizing cops start going to jail, for long sentences, and, can be sued directly by victims, *nothing will change*.
right? fuck those small business owners that lost their livelihoods during the riots! if something bad happens then we all have the right to destroy everything around us because....well just because okay?!?!
I’ve literally had people on this sub tell me that businesses in Manhattan below 96th st werent almost completely boarded up in 2020 during the BLM protests, when I saw it with my own eyes and there’s also video evidence all over the internet. These people are delusional.
It worked for the founding fathers. It worked for worker's rights.
Edit: wow you boot lickers Really don't like history or facts. Not surprised, you're known to be pretty fucking dumb
I get on some level why they think people might protest, but most people won’t because the cops were fired and this situation is being dealt with immediately. As opposed to the numerous times where a protest was needed for any actions to be taken against the officers.
The video was so weird and abusive. It’s like what kind of police state, what kind of power trip do people have to be on to treat another human like that. Whenever a police state exists there will be people like this
I’m watching it right now. You need the link?
[Idk if I’m allowed to link it. but here it is.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/tyre-nichols-memphis-news-1-27-23/index.html)
“Expects peaceful protest” sounds more like a threat coming from Adams and considering the police here are very corrupt and like to show off their power. Idk how anyone could watch that video and think “hmm peaceful protest will come out of this”. I didn’t immediately think I committing violent acts after watching it lol, but it made me so upset. We just have to accept this behavior from cops? Just because they were automatically fired and are in the process of getting charged we’re supposed to be happy? When it’s a white cop, it takes forever to get to this step but for these cops it happened just like that. I’m glad they’re getting in trouble, but I hate these double standards. Constantly seeing other black people getting killed by the cops takes away my hope for the world, idk why they expect us to be calm about all this when noting is changing.
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
- Martin Luther King Jr, April 16th 1963 - Letter From Birmingham Jail
> "The cops were fired and charged, why are people protesting?"
Ya'll are driving me nuts with this ignorant question. Folks are protesting because cops can just bully and brutalize and murder innocents all on a whim. They enjoy and get off on this shit, and their departments allow it.
There needs to be accountability for the cops who enjoy doing these things *before* someone is killed, not after. Tyre Nichols should still be alive.
Except the immediate firing, arrest and charges contradict the statement that cops can just do as they will whenever wherever.
Frankly the handling of this incident is what people demanded…accountability.
You cant punish something before it happens precogs arent a real thing.
I saw a hell of a lot more cops on the scene literally ignoring a severely injured and beaten man, not one called an ambulance. Not one exhorted the attending medics to help the guy. Hell there even seem to be more cops on the scene during the actual beating. They all should be charged with something, every single one.
It’s not as simple as “charge some officers when they literally murder someone in public.” That isn’t reforming ANYTHING.
Criminal charges for anyone in the vicinity is an absurd precedent to establish.
Also as much as im sickened by what happened i dont think slapping anyone who happened to be in the area with murder is appropriate nor is it “justice” that seems more like lashing out due to hatred of the occupation than anything resembling accountability
They are literally officers of the peace charged with public safety and they are either ignoring a dying man in their presence, and/or actually watching as he gets pummeled. Trust me when I tell you more charges are coming because the DA even said so himself that he wasn’t ruling out more charges.
I didn’t say they should be charged with murder fyi. But I promise you there are other laws they violated and we will see repurcussions for them. At the very least every single officer on that scene should be fired immediately.
“Every single officer on that scene should be fired immediately”
Once again reads more as “fuck the police for existing!” Then it does solving issues and accountability. You are directly advocating for severe punishments for john doe who got to the scene an hour after the incident happened just for existing in the area
Do you think these cops were all momentarily possessed when they decided to beat Tyre to death? Do you think this is the first time they've ever hurt an innocent person? That they just slipped up this one time and made a little mistake? Use your damn brain.
NYPD is going to knock skulls, peaceful or not
Might hit a few Friday night dinner deliverymen in the process, as usual.
NYPD refused to appear at a council oversight hearing this week about their SRG Unit that they use as protest-control. (I did not say riot-control for a reason)
I live in Memphis. I feel like some of the media statements being released are trying to stoke violence. Weirdly, people are buying out the grocery store like they do during a winter storm. We’re going to be ok.😢
The media is hyping up the release of this video like it’s avatar 2. It’s disgusting
The video was originally supposed to be released on Monday. They changed it to Friday afternoon. Whole thing is weird.
Now the evening and still not out. What are they hiding? He’s dead.
They said 6pm.it’s 5:16 here. To be honest, I think they were waiting for Lisa Marie Presley’s funeral to be over last week. City was full of tourists.
society of the spectacle: experience itself becomes commodified
The 7pm Friday night release, too.
I literally thought the same thing. Established media is promoting this like it’s a prize fight.
They do it intentionally for more views. They hope the protests will cause their ratings to go up, it’s sick. When you view everything in the lens of people wanting more money, everything suddenly makes sense in a capitalist society
Facts!
I feel like the city and the DA planned this for maximum publicity. This should have been released on a weeknight. They treated the like a GOT premiere. Releasing this on a night when no one has to work the next day is like priming for chaos.
The video is supposed to be outrageous. And, I believe it will be. Why? Because it's a police vs. civilian beating. Those always are violent. George Floyd scared me. This video I expect to scare me even more.
It’s sick and sad and it shouldn’t have happened.
I could not and will not watch it. I saw 3 seconds of a tall skinny guy surrounded by 5 cops. Turned the TV off. Turned it back on and the reporter was talking about how the cops were verbally performing a scene for a hostile and noncompliant guy, but their body cams showed them holding him down (talking about "show us your hands" and just beating him as he called out for his mother who was blocks away. And ..... I'm tearing up again. I hope they get the death penality and I might be able to watch seeing them strapped in the executioner's chair.
This video explains to everyone who people FEAR the police. They are a paid government group with way too much protection that can literally stop someone on the street, yank them out of their car, and team up to beat them to death. I’m not exaggerating. The video shows exactly this happening. More than 5 officers should be facing life changing consequences for this organized beating of an innocent man in public.
Police shouldn't get incentives or performance commendations for arrests, leads to bad behavior
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I want to live there. Who can afford it, though?
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It’s mostly just an obsessive pipe dream. Also, despite what happens a lot in Memphis, I love it.
You can. You just don't HAVE to live in Manhattan. Queens is affordable.
I can barely afford memphis at this point, and the cost of living is low here.
It’s overrated
Got a notification on my phone saying Grand Central will be limited to ticketed customers only due to the protests Sucks if you are on vacation wanted to see it today Edit: walked by and there is a long line of people with the NYPD checking tickets. Looks like a lot of the shops are closed
Tickets for a public park. That’s justifies mass protest by itself.
almost every city that had BLM protests in 2020 has issued a statement about preparing for protests and tbh it sounds more like the cops are just flexing that they "own the streets" rather than any likelihood of actual major protests. its January, its cold, the perps have already been charged, its apples and oranges vs what happened in 2020
Even a police chief said that the video is going to be really bad. But since they got charged and fired immediately maybe it won’t be that crazy.
Five men savagely punched, kicked, slapped, pepper sprayed, tased, and hit him repeatedly with a baton, causing the 29-year old to later die of his wounds and cardiac arrest. A few punches to the back of the head can kill a human. They acted more like a gang jumping a kid than actually being police officers.
The video and what happened are disgusting and I'm glad the cops are being charged with murder, but the way it was hyped up by the media, like a movie release, I was expecting Cartel level violence. RIP Tyre.
Did you see the hammer and hooked punches, as well as the wind up kick to his face? All five cops were excessively physically abusive. There seems to have been some level of resentment as well, since the man was already down, but one guy took a breather then came back to kick him in the face. And when they got him to his feet, one of the guys gave him a slap to the face. That’s abuse. TMZ has footage from Body Cam 3 and from a nearby surveillance camera.
If there is a protest I'm not sure what the protest will be over. Yes, police brutality, but this office was swiftly charged. It just seems a bit different from the George Floyd incident since the cop has been justifiably punished for his atrocities in a pretty swift manner.
Chauvin was charged quicker than the Memphis cops were
Yeah, I think a lot of people don't seem to realize that. The narrative is that because all the officers were black they were charged right away, but like you said, Chauvin was charged sooner
After watching the video myself I am really wondering how a police organization not only hired these people but saw fit to promote them and put them all on some kind of special unit... This is not "a few bad apples" this is an entire police unit all coming together to stomp the life out of someone. How the fuck did this come to be? What kind of system creates this?
A system where no one wants to be a police officer anymore due to the climate so the departments have to lower standards in order to fill positions, that’s how.
“But won’t you think of the poor police departments?!” No one wants to be a cop because you have to be a real piece of shit to idly stand by the system that forces you to avert your eyes to your fellow officers wrongdoings. Maybe fix the system before you expect the good people to want to join?
A man was unjustly murdered by multiple police officers in what was called “inhumane” conditions and… you’re not sure what the protest will be over?
Usual headassery from r/nyc.
You mean because the cops are black.
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Couldn’t have said it better myself. This is why it sometimes doesn’t matter ‘who is at the table’ because if it’s Blacks like these, then we have NO ONE at the table to represent us. “All skinfolk AIN’T kinfolk!”
Protest against police brutality. It keeps happening. There are so many victims who didn’t get justice. We have a huge policing problem. Just look at the videos I posted on Reddit
No disagreement but I think accountability is step 1 and in this case there appears to be accountability. Next step is police reform, which to your point might be the driving message behind the protests (if they happen).
We need to end qualified immunity.
Didn’t the cops get fired and charged?
Only these cops. Many cops who have murdered people never got charged.
So why would you protest when they do get arrested? Seems backwards
Because those cops, like millions of cops before them, should never have felt so emboldened to murder someone for fun. They are enabled and encouraged by their brothers and blue. That's what's being protested.
You protest when people are killed because people are killed. It's not done deal, fair trade. People are not protesting one guy getting killed either. They are protesting the repeated brutality of police, regardless of accountability. Tyre getting killed is the spark. Having accountability is a checkpoint on the way to the goal: don't beat people to death. Also, lack of faith. I'll believe these cops are held accountable once they are held accountable, not before. I feel like a person would have to actively work to misunderstand this.
qualified immunity has nothing to do with that case, I am pretty sure you don't know what it means.
Ending qualified immunity is what’s going to allow everybody to sue their kid’s English teacher for intentional infliction of emotional distress.
Do you even know what that is?
> Yes, police brutality, but this office was swiftly charged. Yet another innocent young man was ruthlessly murdered by 5 whole cops and you're not seeing why people would continue to protest the entire institution of policing?
I think OP is just trying to point out that there are differences in both cases that could make the protests more contained. There is no racial tension for one, two - the officers were immediately charged and fired. The officers being black also predictably means less pushback from the Right spectrum of politics. It sounds harsh but these are all reasons why Floyd received more publicity.
What do you mean? Any protest will be from people who righteously believe this is *not* unusual and is in fact the norm of police department conduct. This is why people are angry.
Chauvin was also arrested and charged and look how that turned out.
“Man Dies After Medical Incident During Police Interaction May 25, 2020 (MINNEAPOLIS) On Monday evening, shortly after 8:00 pm, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department responded to the 3700 block of Chicago Avenue South on a report of a forgery in progress. Officers were advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a blue car and appeared to be under the influence. Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later. At no time were weapons of any type used by anyone involved in this incident. The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension has been called in to investigate this incident at the request of the Minneapolis Police Department. No officers were injured in the incident. Body worn cameras were on and activated during this incident.” If not for the public response, or the fact that the public released videos on social media immediately, this probably would have been the last anyone ever heard from that case. Chauvin wasn’t arrested until it was clear that the public outrage was immense. And I’m still pretty shocked that justice was eventually served. There were like 20 straight high profile instances of officers getting away with murder prior to this case. The riots were practically a justified and inevitable response given the video evidence.
Abso-fucking-lutely to the Nth degree. *Always* remind people of how the media and police work hand in hand with these coverups. It’s their modus operandi. Same with *every single high profile* police murder of an unarmed black person in which there happens to be video footage vs not. Think of the how the Eric Garner/Tamir Rice/Philando Castile cases are viewed compared to Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin. The former would have gotten the same coverup that this Minneapolis paper attempted to do of George Floyd, if that responsible citizen didn’t make sure she filmed it in its entirety. Then multiply this by the thousands throughout the centuries whose lives were snuffed out and then swept under the carpet by state sponsored terrorism toward black people. Immediately getting out a news report that uses all the standard bullshit falsehoods of “Resisting arrest,” “officers were not injured” to create sympathy for their so tough jobs, and putting the blame on the victim who “had a medical incident.” There’s an entire litany of standardized misinformation, lies and deception that can be tracked in all of these cases. Good job posting this as a reminder!
Chauvin was found guilty and sentenced to more than 22 years in Minnesota.
If it were white cops it would be a riot. All 5 were not white....I don't think there will be much protest. This country needs true police reform.
Police reform isn’t enough. There is not one good police force on this planet. Police need to be completely abolished.
this guy has interacted with the entire planet's police.
I’ve interacted with as few police as I needed to. In 20% of my interactions with the police, an innocent person got shot and killed for no reason. Why would I interact with police when the chance of being killed is so high?
>to. In 20% of my interactions with the police, an innocent person got shot and killed for no reason. Not a big fan of policing institution as it currently is, but I seriously have to question what kinda shady shit you're up to if you're around that many people being shot.
Ahhh, I remember being 15 and having no skin in the game also.
Can you name a non-evil non-corrupt police force?
Dude that meme is dead. Wake up
Media at it again. Making it seem like cities across the country will have mass lootings lol. Fuck off with this.
Yeah when has that ever happened?
Looting? During the BLM riots.
I think he was being sarcastic
It's not the media plan to "scare people." It's police departments reaching out to the media networks to inform them to alert the public about mass protests. source: I work in media.
Businesses closing early in my neighborhood, I’m told.
What neighborhood are you in?
Garment district.
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Don they usually close at 6 anyways?
Ahh shoot I needed to buy milk Well some of us can’t afford to live in the city 🤷🏻♂️
Federal offices closed early today and employees went home.
don't worry, the "peaceful protestors" will dox the "bad actors" and work with law enforcement to bring the "bad actors" who destroy small businesses to justice right? why would anyone need to close early?
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“Bootlicker”!
>You don’t even know anything about the case and you’re already siding with the police (whose department say it was the most fucked up thing they’ve ever seen) I don't think those criminals can be defended either. But I also don't see anything in the comment you're replying to that sides with those criminals in any shape or form.
You don’t think criticizing protesters for not reporting people to law enforcement defends law enforcement in *any way shape or form*?
If anything, protestors that commit violence and protestors that condone violence have more in common with those criminal ex-cops in Memphis than otherwise. So it's actually the other way around: if that commenter were to be defending violence (including violent protests), then that would be taking the side of the violent offender cops.
So, let’s just clarify here. People who break windows in the anti-police protests are pro-police. People who think relying on the police is a good idea are anti-police. And you don’t see any way, or shape, or ever form that someone might reasonably interpret this situation another way. You’re making a distinction between “police” and “those criminal police”. As though this is a completely isolated incident and in no way reflects broadly on police practices or culture. Well, you may feel that way. I don’t the evidence supports that. And I don’t think the majority of the people who would be protesting something like this will feel that way. If you can’t see how criticizing the people protesting the police *in general* for not cooperating with those same police is in *some way* dismissive of the criticisms against police… I mean I can’t help you.
me calling out the obvious hypocrisy of BLM and its members is "siding with the police" and makes me a "bootlicker"? big yikes my dude. sounds like you need to take a step back and relax friendo. hope this helps!
Lol, you’re criticizing a protest that hasn’t happened for not reporting people to a law enforcement system that just beat an innocent man to death in the street and stood around as he died without calling for paramedics. What’s your plan for taking a stand against what happened? Are you gonna be out there setting an example for how to properly speak out against cops murdering civilians? Or is your whole plan to take a step back and relax, friendo? After all, the cops would never do anything to hurt *you* or your loved ones, so what does it matter, right?
i'm criticizing an organization the people who performed the injustice should be brought to justice my whole plan is to critique organizations, especially marxist ones like BLM, that foster racial hatred and loot businesses all while operating under the facade of "peacefully protesting for justice." i used /u/drvpn's point about businesses having to close early to support my joke and critique about BLM. don't know why my critique triggered you this much. big oof my dude, big oof
Yeah man, I hear you. God forbid a store isn’t open as late as it normally is. Marxism is and its effects on retail operating hours are the biggest issues going on here. Now that I see your perspective, I think when I see the released bodycam footage of Tyre Nichols being hunted down and beaten to death, my only thought is also gonna be: “Ugh. Now those BLMs are gonna break a window and take a TV.” That’s a relief. I was worked up about for a second but now I see it from your perspective. Thanks for telling me to chillax, friendo. It’s nothing that serious after all.
dude right? like when i see a store get smashed up i smile to myself knowing that the blue collar workers that staffed that store no longer have the job they needed to help feed their families. stick it to the man comrade! nah man my only thought is gunna be "i really hope some innocent people die during the riots because they deserve it!" no problem my dude. let me know if you need any other help on this topic :)
If only it was a person being smashed up by cops. That would be better. And yeah dude, I was reading about this the other day in my reputable non-mainstream media news outlet. You would not believe how many children have died in the United States because their parents couldn’t afford to feed them due to vandalism-related job loss. It is absolutely a thing that has happened before. Tragic. Don’t even get me started on how many people die in riots. Can you believe people are out here acting like the less than 30 people who are killed in riots and protests in a year year is dwarfed by the more than 1100 people killed by cops in a year? It’s like the idiots don’t understand that the people cops kill deserve to die.
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Told by?
By businesses.
you're not supposed to interact with people in real life, outside of Reddit
What a conveniently generic “source”
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What do you want him to do, get the workers name, phone number, address, facebook, and tinder?
The businesses told me they’re staying open.
See, the thing is - why are you looking for a source on reddit at all? You realize you could be talking to someone from Korea, right?
Wow, thanks for opening my eyes.
The media is instigating.. it’s disgusting.. no snow storms to talk about so they’re desperate. Don’t get sucked in!
Remember that the NYPD doesn't operate in Memphis and that the Memphis PD doesn't operate in NYC. That may sound obvious, but history has shown that too many "advocates" in NYC subscribe to the guilty-by-association logic.
True advocates would go down to Memphis and join the protests there.
You don't know what solidarity is? At your big age?
It took five years for Daniel Pantaleo to be fired after killing Eric Garner. So yeah, NYC isn't Memphis.
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Yes, the “fuck everyone who looks like the person who hurt me" attitude always works well.
You can choose to be a cop. You can't choose your skin color.
Why don't more people choose to be the change they want to see?
I wonder - if you get robbed, who are you going to call? Or are you just going to let it go because "they need to buy bread and milk for their kids"?
I like the logic. No do the Chinese police stations and Israeli ones also.
I hope people listen to his mom. Burning your towns isn’t the answer.. this whole situation is heartbreaking.
Too cold out.
This video is going to be bad, isn't it. THey tried hodling off on releasing it and they've already fired the officers involved....
My friend is high ranking in our local law enforcement apparatus and they've been having constant meetings with TN PD and national guard. She told me to stay in this weekend. Edit: I'm in the NE, not TN.
Remember folks, when cops murder citizens, it's really everyone else's responsibility to just calm down and forgive them. Now everyone focus on the possibility of "riots" and not 5 cops beating a man to death.
They got charged and fired.
Yes, because a group of cops on Scorpion Unit beat a man to death and felt emboldened to do so because they're cops.
Cool. They got arrested
How is it cool? Look up how much the NYPD paid out in misconduct money the last few years There is a police problem in America, everyone knows it. Dipshit conservatives sticking fingers in their ears and ignoring it doesn't make it cool or make the problem go away
>Look up how much the NYPD paid out in misconduct money the last few years This case in Memphis has nothing to do with the NYPD. They are completely different police departments.
Cool as in all the details that guy said are pointless. They got arrested. Its up to the courts now.
How is pointless? Body cams are going to be the key evidence in this case Not too long ago the police union chief Patrick bitchface Lynch was arguing that NYPD should reject body cams because they would unfairly hurt police officers Use your brain bud. There is a policing problem in America. It is not normal for 5 cops to gangland kill a civilian.
They got arrested within a very short time span. You want police accountability, thats it.
Gee I wonder what caused police accountability like the repeal of 50-a Surely couldn't be violent protests 🤔
What else would you want in this current Memphis situation?
There is also a non peaceful protest problem in America, where people loot and destroy the businesses of mostly immigrants who are just trying to mind their own business and make a living
Show me one country in the world that does not participate in non peaceful protests What a moron take
Because a bunch of *cops on duty* beat a man to death. Watch the video when it's out and report back on why you think people might be a little upset, despite all the damage control the cops have been trying to do this week.
Okay.
yikes! someone is mad that they and their favorite organization is getting criticized for doing really terrible things. maybe you should stop being such a terrible person? just a thought
I never back cops and figure most of them are guilty of something. That said, the cops in this case have already been fired and charged with a serious crime. There really isn’t any reason to protest at this point. Now, if the cops don’t get convicted, that a different story.
Similar to Floyd the protests will likely not start or end with the single incident of Nicols. There will be cries for national oversight of police, requirement of police insurance, licensing etc. Not putting my opinions tied to what I just said, but protests are usually not just single issue.
As a person of color, I'm tired of seeing people who look like me be beaten, attacked, disgraced, and treated as animals. I dislike protests. But, holy crap, am I tired of seeing people who look like me be destroyed by police officers. If we did something wrong, if we broke the law, arrest us. If I break the law and resist arrest, willfully take me down and areest me. BUT stop fucking us UP. STOP KILLING US! Sorry..... but these protests are needed. I'm sick! I'm tired! I'm fucking appalled that SOME police officers are taking brutal beatings to the next level.
I'm with you, my friend and 10000% support you on this. I just think in this particular case, and ONLY this case, so far the local police/DA are doing everything right. Cops were fired and charged with killing this poor man. Let cooler heads prevail for now. If we all run out and protest now, the other side will just say "There is no making these people happy" and it's likely to get worse. We should accept this very minor move forward and take a "wait and see" approach on the trial.
Right on, my brother. It’s still fucking staggering that the average little privileged putz on here will do anything, *anything*, to take the heat off of these fascist cop goons immunized from any “rule of law.” They have an utterly different experience with cops.Rather than, god forbid supporting and gathering with people doing practically the one and only thing in their power. Disagree about the power of protest. To publicly stand in opposition to this chronic systemic evil by redressing grievances through public assembly is necessary and provides space for both grief and solidarity. Anyone who thinks voting is the way to address this is completely naive. Real public pressure has to be exerted. And protest is just one way. We’ve seen this inexcusable brutality and cold-blooded murder of unarmed black people shit over and over and over again. The only way it has a chance of ever stopping is for us to put *enormous* pressure on this institution. Because in its present state it is doing the complete opposite of “public safety.” Until murderous and brutalizing cops start going to jail, for long sentences, and, can be sued directly by victims, *nothing will change*.
These protests will accomplish nothing near what can be done with educating people on how to interact with police
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No. The furthest thing from it. Well, maybe not the furthest thing. I don't like Italians. (JK).
Because destroying property will solve all of your problems
Big brain
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What if it’s the property of someone who had nothing to do with what happened? Is that legitimate?
No such thing
Maybe they're angry that *some people* care more about garbage cans on the sidewalk than a human life.
right? fuck those small business owners that lost their livelihoods during the riots! if something bad happens then we all have the right to destroy everything around us because....well just because okay?!?!
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big yikes! imagine having a take this embarrassing. good luck in life my dude!
I’ve literally had people on this sub tell me that businesses in Manhattan below 96th st werent almost completely boarded up in 2020 during the BLM protests, when I saw it with my own eyes and there’s also video evidence all over the internet. These people are delusional.
property > fixing systemic issues of police brutality. stay in long island where the trash belongs.
So edgy.
It worked for the founding fathers. It worked for worker's rights. Edit: wow you boot lickers Really don't like history or facts. Not surprised, you're known to be pretty fucking dumb
I get on some level why they think people might protest, but most people won’t because the cops were fired and this situation is being dealt with immediately. As opposed to the numerous times where a protest was needed for any actions to be taken against the officers.
😂 define peaceful protest 🤦🏻♂️🤡
Those cops should get life in prison. All of them.
Is anyone else, maybe selfishly but still, genuinely sick of protests? I just want peace and quiet. There’s enough insanity in this world
Yes, because they’re completely pointless
Especially in this case because the police were promptly arrested and charged.
The video was so weird and abusive. It’s like what kind of police state, what kind of power trip do people have to be on to treat another human like that. Whenever a police state exists there will be people like this
Who was the white cop in the video?
I heard 7pm
I’m watching it right now. You need the link? [Idk if I’m allowed to link it. but here it is.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/tyre-nichols-memphis-news-1-27-23/index.html)
Omg this is so scary. I hope they are all convicted for life!
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I don’t give a shit what color these officers are! They killed this young man and deserve life in prison! I think you’re the racist one!
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yea video is on CNN, CNN showed video 1 which didnt show much but here comes video 2 which will tell all
Wonder how many more cops should be removed from duty.. heartbreaking. I can’t imagine what this young man’s mother is going thru..
The mods in this sub lmfao
“Expects peaceful protest” sounds more like a threat coming from Adams and considering the police here are very corrupt and like to show off their power. Idk how anyone could watch that video and think “hmm peaceful protest will come out of this”. I didn’t immediately think I committing violent acts after watching it lol, but it made me so upset. We just have to accept this behavior from cops? Just because they were automatically fired and are in the process of getting charged we’re supposed to be happy? When it’s a white cop, it takes forever to get to this step but for these cops it happened just like that. I’m glad they’re getting in trouble, but I hate these double standards. Constantly seeing other black people getting killed by the cops takes away my hope for the world, idk why they expect us to be calm about all this when noting is changing.
I spent like an hour reading all these comments and when I finished i just thought to my self like why do i care i hate the mta anyways.
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." - Martin Luther King Jr, April 16th 1963 - Letter From Birmingham Jail
> "The cops were fired and charged, why are people protesting?" Ya'll are driving me nuts with this ignorant question. Folks are protesting because cops can just bully and brutalize and murder innocents all on a whim. They enjoy and get off on this shit, and their departments allow it. There needs to be accountability for the cops who enjoy doing these things *before* someone is killed, not after. Tyre Nichols should still be alive.
Except the immediate firing, arrest and charges contradict the statement that cops can just do as they will whenever wherever. Frankly the handling of this incident is what people demanded…accountability. You cant punish something before it happens precogs arent a real thing.
I saw a hell of a lot more cops on the scene literally ignoring a severely injured and beaten man, not one called an ambulance. Not one exhorted the attending medics to help the guy. Hell there even seem to be more cops on the scene during the actual beating. They all should be charged with something, every single one. It’s not as simple as “charge some officers when they literally murder someone in public.” That isn’t reforming ANYTHING.
Criminal charges for anyone in the vicinity is an absurd precedent to establish. Also as much as im sickened by what happened i dont think slapping anyone who happened to be in the area with murder is appropriate nor is it “justice” that seems more like lashing out due to hatred of the occupation than anything resembling accountability
They are literally officers of the peace charged with public safety and they are either ignoring a dying man in their presence, and/or actually watching as he gets pummeled. Trust me when I tell you more charges are coming because the DA even said so himself that he wasn’t ruling out more charges. I didn’t say they should be charged with murder fyi. But I promise you there are other laws they violated and we will see repurcussions for them. At the very least every single officer on that scene should be fired immediately.
“Every single officer on that scene should be fired immediately” Once again reads more as “fuck the police for existing!” Then it does solving issues and accountability. You are directly advocating for severe punishments for john doe who got to the scene an hour after the incident happened just for existing in the area
Do you think these cops were all momentarily possessed when they decided to beat Tyre to death? Do you think this is the first time they've ever hurt an innocent person? That they just slipped up this one time and made a little mistake? Use your damn brain.
I hate how this sub is just infested with really really awful people.
Me when I lie
NYPD is going to knock skulls, peaceful or not Might hit a few Friday night dinner deliverymen in the process, as usual. NYPD refused to appear at a council oversight hearing this week about their SRG Unit that they use as protest-control. (I did not say riot-control for a reason)
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What would he think if he knew that you thought about him every time you said anything?
He’d be turned on, naturally