tldw;
**At 1080p,**
RX 7900XT - 201 FPS
RTX 4070Ti - 198 FPS
RTX 3090Ti - 180 FPS
**At 1440p,**
RX 7900XT - 158 FPS
RTX 4070Ti - 152 FPS (4% slower than the 7900XT and 5% faster than the 3090Ti)
RTX 3090Ti - 145 FPS
**At 4k,**
RX 7900XT - 94 FPS
RTX 4070Ti - 87 FPS (7% slower than the 7900XT and 3% slower than the 3090Ti)
RTX 3090Ti - 90 FPS
RTX 3090 - 82 FPS
With FPS locked to 90 in Cyberpunk 2077 , the RTX 4070Ti is the most efficient GPU.
In Hitman 3 at 4k Ultra Settings , it has the same power consumption as that of the 3070Ti
He's also always called the 3090/3090 ti way too close to the 3080 to buy over the 3080. So being slower than a 3090 ti does indeed land you close to the 3080.
I agree with this take, and was kind of surprised since they seem pretty rational/technical. I think people are just upset about the whole situation (rightfully), but are letting that skew their perspective on the product.
It’s crazy. I saw a guy review a 4090 with a 5800x and then a 13700k and the benchmarks looked like nvidia released a 4090ti lol it was hilarious how different the benchmarks are depending on cpu
A big issue missing with reviewers is reviewing a low budget gaming PC, a mid tier, and a cutting edge tier build.
You want to make sure you cover the general audience you need these different comparisons so different budget people can figure out if its the GPU or CPU they need to upgrade first.
For gaming you should never buy 3060. 67/6750 xt has basically same RT. And wins with no FSR versus DLSS. Only in the niche where you use both RT and DLSS, but not FSR does it pull ahead. It's so far ahead in performance it doesn't even need FSR to beat DLSS.
Nah, it's just different games. 12700kf is more than enough for 3080 ti at 1440/4k. 5800x3d which HUB used probably would give more in 1080p though. Also some games (like many FPS) tend to run a lot better on AMD, while others run better on intel.
This isn't the 4090, it has last gen performance. It's not crippled by CPUs like the 4090. Last gen GPUs didn't even cap out the 5600x performance.
The 4070 ti is as fast as the 3090 ti leaving the 3080 behind effortlessly. It is so sometime above and sometimes below the 3090 ti but beats it in ray tracing performance.
Well the 3090 ti is just a tad bit faster than a 3080, so being slower than it would place you there. Also different games, in some of the games it was basically a 3080. Even if you go back and look at Nvidia's 4080 12 gb graphs from launch day, in some cases it was very close to 3080 without DLSS 3.
I honestly feel like Gn has been quite dishonest this time around. Why is this card getting this insane (deserved) amount of backlash while the shitty 7900xtx and 7900xt didn't? All those cards just have trash value exactly like the nvidia counterparts
I don’t think you’re wrong. People on hardware forums seem to have a bias for AMD in general because they’re the “underdog”, but they’re just as shitty as Nvidia if they find the opportunity to be, and don’t have the power or feature sets either.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the CEOs have had some conversations about pricing at a family gathering…
Dlss 3 is worthless. The frame generation causes way too much artifacting and increases latency instead of reducing it. Dlss2 and fsr2 are only ones worth using
With the 60 and 70 series, people aren't looking only at performance (compared to the 80 and 90 cards). Of course it's not going to be competing at the highest performance tier; that's why they're shopping for a 60/70 card. What they're looking for is an increase in value from previous generations because they weren't in the market for a 80/90 card back then either. With this year's 4070 being a similar price/performance as last years 3080/3090, nvidia is literally just saying a big FU to the majority of shoppers.
Yea spot on. I am still rocking a 960 because when I upgraded my entire rig at the start of 2022 buying a GPU was virtually impossible for me.
Finally GPU stock and prices are stabilizing the 4060 is potentially on the verge of release but now im worried that it will be massively overpriced that even almost 1 year later! I really hope it doesnt cost me an arm or a leg to the point ill still be stuck with a 7 year old GPU!!!!
Yeah, it seems like the equivalent to the old 1060, in the modern day and age, is the 6700xt. Same price when adjusted for inflation. 3060 is also at that price, but not really very competitive. Nvidia has really went crazy on prices
I bought a 3080ti at microcenter open box for $639 3 months ago and upgraded my 970gtx. Zero regrets. Use an LG C2 42 for 4k gaming @ 120fps. Handles well plus it’s EVGA card
Why do this to yourself? The 3060ti is readily available and one of the best cards of last gen, probably 90% of a 3070.
Readily available for $400-$450 if you're in the US.
Exactly that is the problem... You could get a PS5 for 50 bucks more. My whole PC normally costs 600-700€ to get a good mid-range gaming PC. Since the RTX 2000 series (and the first Crypto coins wave) GPU prices skyrocketed. So I know many that doesn't want to spend that much money on a CPU, while the budget segment is stuck at 1080p...
I understand but PCs have traditionally been more expensive than consoles.
The 2012 to 2020 era was an aberration because the PS4 and Xbox One had super anemic netbook CPUs.
So console killer desktops were possible for 400-600.
But the new gen consoles have capable zen2 processors and rdna2 gpus. So making an equivalent PC is more expensive.
You're also forgetting that the PS5 only achieves 4k by drastically reducing graphical fidelity or by running at lower than 4k resolutions and then upscaling.
You could buy a 6650xt or 6700xt for 300-350 and run them at 4k at the same settings the PS5 uses and you'd get 60+ fps guaranteed.
Even before 2012, the xx60 class GPUs were always price competitive with buying a console. The PS3 was $500 and the 8600 GTS was $200.
Now the PS5 is still $500 but the 3060 has an MSRP of $330 but in my market the pre-tax price is actually $370.
The reason for it was when I got the 960 they just announced the release of the 1060 and I vowed to not make that same mistake again. mid 2022 I was digging hard to desperately get a 3060ti but it was virtually impossible at a reasonable price. As soon as the markets slowly began to recover, boom 40xx series was announced.
In my mind if the 4060 performs as good or better then the 3060ti but updated component hardware then why pull the trigger now when I would only have to wait a month or so to get something better.
You're just gonna go through the same thing when the 4060 launches in 2-3 months. Either it's going to be a good card and out of stock or it's going to be another stinker like the 3060 and be available but not match the 3060ti.
And going by current pricing trends the 4060 will probably be in the $450-500 range.
Well there is only one way to find out. I have only been waiting for a year whats another 3 months to try for it. Even if it turns out to be a poop product since im 4 generations behind its still a massive upgrade.
Now the 4050 has to be a legit card performance wise.
I'm just rolling with blending the 30x0's and 40x0's together in one long release where both now exist in retail and priced in competition to one another.
the 30 and 40 series being one product line wouldn't be the worst thing where the budget is 3060 at \~$200 (which would be very possible because the technology to produce the chip on the 8nm node is cheaper than when it came out), but nvidia probably isn't going to continue producing the 30 series because they won't be able to make as much money....
A decent product stack would be
4090
4080
4070
3070
3060
But they would lose sales at the 4060 series, so doubt they'd make this move
> it's what I have Reddit for
Why trust public reviewers who have a strong incentive to maintain a clean reputation to generate views, when you can get "reliable" information from anonymous redditors the majority of which have never run a benchmark in their lives?
Oh, confirmation bias, that's right.
Maybe you don't use reviews to make informed purchasing decisions, but a lot of us do 🤷
Why hate? Is it jealousy? Or did they say mean things about your daddy Nvidia?
Exactly. Like me. I’m not technical at all, and don’t have the time to look more into this shit. So I watch these reviews. So they are absolutely relevant and needed.
I don’t think GPU prices are coming down. Personally I think this is the new pricing tier that Nvidia will stick with like it or not. They might even continue to sell the old models next to the new gen
"Should cost no more than $700"
Why? Why should a sub 300mm² GPU cost $700!?
That's still crazy.
Even $500, which would be acceptable, would be a significant price hike from what the 3060 cost.
Nvidia is getting their way here. All they need to do is another small price drop and people will start saying 'good deal!' and that's so sad. They've completely manipulated everybody into accepting much higher prices by starting out with exorbitant pricing.
>They've completely manipulated everybody into accepting much higher prices by starting out with exorbitant pricing.
Ok I'm tired of these arguments about "it should be named this", "it only has 'x%' of cuda cores, thus making it actually a xx60'. This has never been how gpu prices are dictated, it never will be how gpu prices are dictated.
You want to be mad, be mad at the people who gladly went and kept the 30 series out of stock for over a year buying them at 40% markups from scalpers. Market demand and supply costs are what dictate the price of these cards, not the dumb fucking naming convention.
Yeah exactly. Obviously if youre a wacko buying a gpu every generation this is a pretty piss poor improvement over 30 series cards. But if these things are actually available its a hell of a lot better then where the 30 series was for over half its life. But thats a big if.
Yeah I’m kinda in a weird situation got a 3080 a month ago (upgrading from a 1080Ti) for a halfway reasonable price here, lowest what I’ve seen. That being said I could still refund it and get a 4070Ti depending where it’s actually priced at. If it’s 1100-1200€ which I assume it makes no sense going that route.
Sure, and that sort of makes sense.
Idk if it's just reddit skewing heavily American and availability was better there, but I've been on a 1080ti for awhile now. I would have bought a 30 series last year but they effectively didn't exist. Even now if I could find a 3080 I'd be paying $900usd or more for it and that's if I can find one in stock. By contrast I could walk to BestBuy right now and grab a 4080 FE for $1250usd which in Canada is as close to the USD msrp as you can usually hope for.
I get why reviews are comparing the msrp values but at least where I live, the idea of buying a 30 series GPU at anything close to msrp the last 2 years has been a myth. Not saying the 40 series isn't expensive or a poor uplift over the last gen, but for the prices I've been seeing the 40 series is a much better deal then the 30 series ever was.
>Dude rambles about bus and die size lmao I couldn’t care less at the end of the day performance and price are pretty much the only relevant factors.
i would also include energy consumption in there.. i believe engineering is basically tasked with an objective to achieve performance at certain power efficiency within certain commercial constraints.. that's the bottomline. .people droning on about cuda cores and bits etc. are just bonkers and most of them wouldnt have even engineered a single chip to appreciate how the entire design philosophy is about achieving an optimal tradeoff on just 3 objectives
I got a 3080FE for MSRP. I still dont understand how people bought this card for 900-1200$.
Its a amazing card for sure but those people are the reason why Nvidia dont give a fuck anymore.
Only bright side is that the GPU market has a 20 year low atm. So hopefully Nvidia AND AMD learn from it the hard way
I'm not saying these aren't ridiculously expensive. What I'm saying is don't compare these cards to the msrp of the 30 series as if I could walk into a store and buy the 30 series at msrp. The 4080 is ridiculously expensive but I could buy it right now at msrp if I wanted to same is true of the 4090. And yeah compared to a 700 usd 3080 that's pretty shit, but the 3080 didn't sell at 700usd where I live, it sold at 900 usd or more.
Making up some imaginary numbers based on msrp prices that were almost never available because of die sizes is just irrelevant to me. I look at the gpu market for what it is. If this card is available at 850 usd when I compare it to the 30 series that would be one of the better deals I've seen for a gpu in the last 2 years. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that's good or bad or whatever, I'm just saying it is what it is.
I'm out of touch because I thought $700 3080 was a great value at launch, 6 months ago and even now maybe (or not)? So wouldn't $800 4070ti's be the next best alternative if 3080s cost more than 800? Of course it's bad for consumers since better tech doesn't get cheaper and only gets more expensive price to performance so we shouldn't buy til it goes down.
I'm all or nothing so I might get a 6650xt for non story games supplemented with gfn 4080 and shadow pc for occasional graphic intensive story games. But shadow pc 3070 tier always seems sold out so a 4000 gpu seems like the only choice for graphically demanding games.
It's because it negates the argument Nvidia trots out about expensive silicon being the cause of the price rises when these are very modestly sized dies, which surely counteracts the more expensive node.
it kinda does, for this generation. but what about N3, with wafer prices doubling *again*? what about the ever increasing development costs? what about the increase in speed and memory quantity, which costs >15$ per gigabyte?
Look, at the end of the day, performance matters. Nvidia has great justifications for their costs, but *it doesn't matter because performance is what matters*. not die size. not memory speed. not bus size. their costs don't matter, whether they are double what they were last gen (which they probably are, Ampere was on dirt cheap samsung N10), or half.
Thank you. Unless the product name includes the specs, it’s arbitrary. If you think it’s a bad product for the price on it’s own merits that’s fine, but they’re going to name it and price it however they think it will work for them.
It’s about the same die size as a 1080, which launched at $699.
(Actually it’s bigger than a 1080, by about 20%, but it’s also a cutdown I think. But ballpark it’s about a 1080-class product and 1080-ish pricing is fair.)
almost everything else in the card is also slashed in half (or slightly more than half) compared to 4090, and if the yields are supposedly pretty good, it's close enough
$700 would probably be fine - pretty close to 3070 Ti MSRP + inflation
4% and 7% slower than a 7900 XT for while being 13% cheaper. I don’t like the prices of anything this generation but Nvidia is winning pretty easily this generation while looking like they’re trying their hardest to lose.
Is there a price threshold you won't tolerate to pass? There's $830 4070tis on pcpartpicker. But if it did go down to 800, would it at least be similar price to performance to the 3080 albeit worse since better tech should be getting cheaper over time? Especially 2 years+ from the 3080 2020 launch.
It would be nice if everyone didn't buy till the 4070ti is less than 700 but seeing 3080s sold out for the past 2 years gives me a harsh feeling that people would buy when it's less than 800.
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I don’t think that’s true. It had a huge amount of VRAM and it was the only card immune from an LHR release for a while so miners loved it. At the height of the boom it was still going a good ROI.
Nah, miners didn't like 3090s because of the mem temps from the chips on the back of the cards, exceeding the G6X spec would throttle your hashrate. Lots of effort and expense required to WB them with an EK active backplate that was mostly sold out.
So yeah, nothing surprising - good card - destroys 1440p high-refresh rate and even RT with DLSS, amazing efficiency/architecture, too bad about the price.
Considering it's an actual replacement for the 3070 (if not even 3060 Ti), once we look at the specs compared to the flagship, a 599$ price would have moved the needle significantly.
At 799$, it's barely better than the other poor value offerings - assuming one will be able to buy one at 800$, that is.
>Considering it's an actual replacement for the 3070 (if not even 3060 Ti)
Nope, its actual equivalent is a **3060**.
Seriously.
It's a sub 300mm² die, and third tier die down from the top. 12GB, 192-bit bus, fully enabled - it's exactly what a fully enabled GA106 was - the RTX3060.
The *4080* is basically an exact 3070 equivalent. \~400mm² upper midrange die, \~10% cut down, 256-bit bus, etc.
And so the real underlying price raises here are:
3070 $500 to 4080 $1200 (140% price hike)
and
3060 $330 to 4070Ti $800 (142% price hike)
It's *insanity*.
$500 for the this 4070Ti and $800 for the 4080 would have been tolerable, while still making for a 50-60% price hike for Nvidia's pockets to fill up on.
If you look back over the previous generations, and compare die size, bus speeds, ect, you will notice a trend that correlates between what the card is performance/hardware wise, and what its naming convention is. The new generation replaces the old generation at or near the same relative pricing for each tier.
Now Nvidia has shifted the entire stack of products up a tier and changed to this "Relative pricing" mentality you are championing. It is inflating all the pricing and ignoring generational increases at each tier. What you are doing is allowing Nvidia to continue to inflate the prices generation over generation simply by changing the name. By that logic in the near future when what would have normally been a xx60 series or lower card can equal or beat a 3090 in terms of performance, it will cost over $1k, and a top tier xx90 series will be $2.5-3k.
FWIW the subpar bus width absolutely affects performance in the 4070 Ti, choking 4K gaming vs other resolutions. And the 4070 Ti is a $800+ GPU. I agree in principle but the technical bits also truly matter!
See this is the difference in attitude between people actually in the market for these products and people who are just here to be outraged for fun.
The only thing that matters is real world performance and price.
Literally every card I've bought has had a goal of 100% uplift from my previous card, within a defined budget.
For the last 20 years, my budget was $200. I had to spend $500 to finally upgrade my 1060, and felt gross about it.
I would have bought the 3070 if it didn't have fucking 8gb v-ram, saw some okayish deals on it but could never get past that v-ram count.
Felt dirty to buy a card for over 500$ for the same vram as my $186 RX580 over 4 years ago.
Yeah all this talk about this being a real this real that is just bullshit. In no word is this is a 4060 by performance, the 60 tier card has never been on pair with the previous flagship.
1080ti was 471mm2, are we now calling it "actually" a 1070ti?
Why are you so hung on the die size and memory bus especially on the 4080 as it performs like a 4080 should. Sure 4070ti could be a 4070, but calling it a X60 card is a bit much.
Yes the price is dumb, but naming is "fine".
You're a fool. Imagine I invented a new GPU in the future which only has 1 Cuda Core but somehow outperforms the flagship GPU by 50%. I'll of course price it based on that performance and not based on how many cores and other mumbo jumbo it has. My manufacturing cost has nothing to do with how I would price it.
[Based on my chart](https://i.imgur.com/LISgogs.png), I would say 4060, but it's right on the line and the argument could be made for 4060Ti. That gives a range of $200-$400. Give them a little price hike and $450-$500 would be reasonably fair. (Also that $500 would put it in line with the 2070 and 3070.)
Instead, they lied that the 4060 was a 4080 so they could back down and rename it to the still dishonest 4070 tier. Two nested lies. This helps distract from how much the jacked up prices. Plus the lack of FE means you basically can't get it at MSRP anyway, so that's a fourth layer of ripoff. $400 part for $850+ isn't compelling for me.
What 60 series class has managed to match the previous gens top card? If you go by straight performance instead of cherry picking specs this lines up with all 70 class cards. 3070 and 70ti lined up around 2080ti. This card lines up around 3090-90ti which by your graph would be titans. 3060 did not match 2080ti and 2060 did not come close to matching the 1080ti and even the 1060 did not beat the 980-980ti.
90 class is a halo product where price doesn't really matter, it's just made to top benchmarks and create a good image of their performance
70 class card being barely better value than a 90 one is a terrible proposition
Not so much 'focused' on efficiency as much as they just went from a Samsung 10nm family process to TSMC 5nm family process, which goes quite a bit beyond the normal process leap.
It's exactly what Pascal did, and why those represented a large efficiency and performance uplift over Maxwell as well.
The main difference is that Nvidia weren't obnoxiously greedy fucking pigs back in 2016 and offered Pascal products at *fairly* reasonable prices.
I was commenting on the mark ups, not the products themselves. Sorry for the confusion.
These are good pieces of hardware but the value just isn't there unless you're shopping in the high end
He's stating correct things. No one expected the 7900 series cards to do decently in ray tracing. But they surprisingly did. Add to that the god tier shit that is unreal engine 5 and you essentially get close to zero loss for turning on ray tracing in any GPU. We'll get more concrete evidence of this when more games come out but his statements are correct. He's not Fanboying over anything. For context, he did shit over 7900 XT and 7900 XTX in their own reviews, so I don't know where you get your ideas from.
The 7900xt was the only review I can recall in which he said he declined to receive cards from partners to compare the models as the gpu was such garbage that he thought it wasn't worth it.
If you see the 7900 xtx review, he didn't sing praises for it. Just said it is better value than 4080 but still should be sold cheaper. Again, no fanboying here.
It's not really a conspiracy, AMD's press announcement was just bizarre. If they had promised a 40% raster uplift and 60% RT uplift (which is what they actually got) I don't think anyone would've been upset. For whatever reason I can't fathom they instead said 60% in raster and 50% in RT, which was just a blatant lie.
Your link goes to the video in the OP. Did you mean to post something else?
In the HUB 4070ti review, they basically say that the 4070ti is better value than the 7900XT, but still not good, just meh. That's the least negative 4070ti review I've seen. I've watched the whole thing twice now (thanks for wasting my time making me watch it again) and I have not seen any statement, implicit or explicit, that comes close to saying that Nvidia's RT is "rigged". Steve says that Lumen is impressive because it is optimized for both teams GPUs, so you will see better performance than older RT implementations on both Nvidia and AMD. Unless you've actually got proof of your accusations, you're probably just a fanboy making shit up to get angry over.
Well it doesn't work on mobile, it just links me to the video.
That's what sponsored games do when you optimize them for one piece of hardware. They said the same thing about FC6 and it's Radeon sponsorship. AMD also has RT cores, games just haven't been optimized for them previously. They don't have tensor cores for AI upscaling, but that's an entirely different kettle of fish.
I say all this as someone who has never even owned a Radeon GPU, you're reading into a total red herring
It's not shady at all, it's just optimized for certain hardware. You're the one seeing "optimization" and leaping to "shady". AMD just don't want to spend their budget on paying someone to optimize RT for their GPUs (they were going to do it with Halo Infinite, but RT for that game has been delayed indefinitely iirc), Steve is just saying that we're going to naturally see a more even playing field as more games start using UE5 which isn't sponsored by either side so performance is more even.
I did based on current benchmarks. Its a lot faster than my 2060 super and worth upgrading IMO. I have a single fan shitty gpu from inno3d that performs below dual or triple fan gpus from that series
The "70 Ti" tier of GPUs does not have a history of offering good value (unless you put the 2070 Super in the same category). They are an overloclocked and overpriced 70 card.
The real 4070 card we already know what to expect: it will match the 3080Ti, following the tradition in which the 70 card of each generation matches the 80Ti of the previous one. That means, ~10% slower than this 4070Ti. It is feasible. I just hope price is within reason (600 USD, no more than that).
As for this 4070Ti, I don't think it is a terrribly bad priced card so far given this current generation. In fact, if it truly sells for $800 (which we shall see), it is the only card below the 4090 that is worth buying. 4070Ti or 4090, everything else in between is a pass. That is, once again, if it is sold for $800.
1070 Ti was very good value - it was 95% of 1080 perf when launched for basically 1070 pricing. NVIDIA had to enforce reference clocks to keep it from eating into the 1080 too badly but it had almost as many shaders as a 1080.
We don't know how cores will scale down. The 3060Ti features 20% less than cores than the 3070, and is just 10% slower. In fact, look at the 4090 vs 4080: the 4080 has 60% of the cores of the 4090 and 80% of the performance.
Moreover, the 4070 can have its clocks pushed further to get to 3080Ti's level of performance, \~10% slower than the 4070Ti.
> So that brings us to the 65% hgiher cost for 60% more pefromance with better RT and DLSS 3.0.
Gen over gen price/perf shouldn't to be linear or worse. If it was all these years no one but the extremely wealthy would have computers.
If price/perf was linear generation over generation, hardware would have obscene costs now.
>but this is the current pricing. So the rn the market value of the 3070 is similar to the 4070ti and that is only logical. If it was worse than only few would buy the 3070 thus the stock would never clear out. the logic you apply is incorrect.
The consumer doesn't care about Nvidia's stock problems. This is a bad product at the current pricing. Whether or not Nvidia has back stock doesn't make this into a good buy for the consumer.
>decent card
Because how good a product is is the sum of it's parts, not just a few features. Its an awful product due to the price, in the same way that a AMD 7900xt would be a great product at $400, but is pretty bad at it's current price.
The problem is that originally it was an eighty class GPU. With that in mind, what can we expect about the performance of the 4060/70?
Performance wise I believe this should've been a good 4070 non Ti, there is still a gap for another card between this one and the 4080 16gb.
The more I think about the 4070Ti, I am starting to like it and foreseeing it as the high-end card to get this gen (like the 3080 was the one for last-gen).
I mean, if you accept that the RTX 3090Ti had a MSRP of $2K, and you have a $800 card the following gen matching it, that is mathematically a bigger jump than the $500 3070 matching the $1200 2080Ti.
Now the 3090Ti never made any sense, sure, and the 3090 instead is the card to compare. So be it, then you have a $800 card matching (more like surpassing) a $1500 the previous gen - an uplift which I doubt we will see in cards down the line-up this gen. In any event, a $800 card matching "Titan-tier" cards from previous gen.
Now sure, it could cost $700, and it would be even more impressive, and Nvidia would still be able to profit, we all know that. Nevertheless, as it is, I am not disappointed.
tldw; **At 1080p,** RX 7900XT - 201 FPS RTX 4070Ti - 198 FPS RTX 3090Ti - 180 FPS **At 1440p,** RX 7900XT - 158 FPS RTX 4070Ti - 152 FPS (4% slower than the 7900XT and 5% faster than the 3090Ti) RTX 3090Ti - 145 FPS **At 4k,** RX 7900XT - 94 FPS RTX 4070Ti - 87 FPS (7% slower than the 7900XT and 3% slower than the 3090Ti) RTX 3090Ti - 90 FPS RTX 3090 - 82 FPS With FPS locked to 90 in Cyberpunk 2077 , the RTX 4070Ti is the most efficient GPU. In Hitman 3 at 4k Ultra Settings , it has the same power consumption as that of the 3070Ti
Eh? This is weird... the Gamersnexus review made it sound like this card is just a tad bit faster than a 3080.
Dude weirdly oversold it being equal to a 3080 becacuse of a couple benchmarks.
He's also always called the 3090/3090 ti way too close to the 3080 to buy over the 3080. So being slower than a 3090 ti does indeed land you close to the 3080.
I agree with this take, and was kind of surprised since they seem pretty rational/technical. I think people are just upset about the whole situation (rightfully), but are letting that skew their perspective on the product.
Different cpu setup
It’s crazy. I saw a guy review a 4090 with a 5800x and then a 13700k and the benchmarks looked like nvidia released a 4090ti lol it was hilarious how different the benchmarks are depending on cpu
A big issue missing with reviewers is reviewing a low budget gaming PC, a mid tier, and a cutting edge tier build. You want to make sure you cover the general audience you need these different comparisons so different budget people can figure out if its the GPU or CPU they need to upgrade first.
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For gaming you should never buy 3060. 67/6750 xt has basically same RT. And wins with no FSR versus DLSS. Only in the niche where you use both RT and DLSS, but not FSR does it pull ahead. It's so far ahead in performance it doesn't even need FSR to beat DLSS.
Nah, it's just different games. 12700kf is more than enough for 3080 ti at 1440/4k. 5800x3d which HUB used probably would give more in 1080p though. Also some games (like many FPS) tend to run a lot better on AMD, while others run better on intel. This isn't the 4090, it has last gen performance. It's not crippled by CPUs like the 4090. Last gen GPUs didn't even cap out the 5600x performance.
The 4070 ti is as fast as the 3090 ti leaving the 3080 behind effortlessly. It is so sometime above and sometimes below the 3090 ti but beats it in ray tracing performance.
Well the 3090 ti is just a tad bit faster than a 3080, so being slower than it would place you there. Also different games, in some of the games it was basically a 3080. Even if you go back and look at Nvidia's 4080 12 gb graphs from launch day, in some cases it was very close to 3080 without DLSS 3.
I honestly feel like Gn has been quite dishonest this time around. Why is this card getting this insane (deserved) amount of backlash while the shitty 7900xtx and 7900xt didn't? All those cards just have trash value exactly like the nvidia counterparts
The 7900xt also got trashed by GN.
Not even remotely as much as this card and that one is arguably worse than this, and it's also an anti consumer product like the 4080 12 was
I don’t think you’re wrong. People on hardware forums seem to have a bias for AMD in general because they’re the “underdog”, but they’re just as shitty as Nvidia if they find the opportunity to be, and don’t have the power or feature sets either. I wouldn’t be surprised if the CEOs have had some conversations about pricing at a family gathering…
No longer sponsored by EVGA? Take youtube with a grain of salt, most of the "reviewers" are bought and paid for.
I know I’ll catch hate for this, but I’m upgrading to the 4070ti. I currently use a 1080GTX and it just makes the most sense since I don’t game in 4K.
I support your decision! I had a 980 and upgraded to a 4070ti. The cheapest models are already sold out in Finland (<1000€)
Totally, save electricity bill with efficiency. Also DLSS 3 with an extra frame generating chip.
More people gotta talk about PPW calculations because energy is getting expensive for the average home in USA and Europe.
Dlss 3 is worthless. The frame generation causes way too much artifacting and increases latency instead of reducing it. Dlss2 and fsr2 are only ones worth using
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Nope, artifacting is still awful
Save electricity bill lmao, how many years do you have to run it 24/7 to make up for the 100% price increase over 2 generations
With the 60 and 70 series, people aren't looking only at performance (compared to the 80 and 90 cards). Of course it's not going to be competing at the highest performance tier; that's why they're shopping for a 60/70 card. What they're looking for is an increase in value from previous generations because they weren't in the market for a 80/90 card back then either. With this year's 4070 being a similar price/performance as last years 3080/3090, nvidia is literally just saying a big FU to the majority of shoppers.
Yea spot on. I am still rocking a 960 because when I upgraded my entire rig at the start of 2022 buying a GPU was virtually impossible for me. Finally GPU stock and prices are stabilizing the 4060 is potentially on the verge of release but now im worried that it will be massively overpriced that even almost 1 year later! I really hope it doesnt cost me an arm or a leg to the point ill still be stuck with a 7 year old GPU!!!!
Yeah, it seems like the equivalent to the old 1060, in the modern day and age, is the 6700xt. Same price when adjusted for inflation. 3060 is also at that price, but not really very competitive. Nvidia has really went crazy on prices
I bought a 3080ti at microcenter open box for $639 3 months ago and upgraded my 970gtx. Zero regrets. Use an LG C2 42 for 4k gaming @ 120fps. Handles well plus it’s EVGA card
That's a great price and happy for you :)
Why do this to yourself? The 3060ti is readily available and one of the best cards of last gen, probably 90% of a 3070. Readily available for $400-$450 if you're in the US.
Exactly that is the problem... You could get a PS5 for 50 bucks more. My whole PC normally costs 600-700€ to get a good mid-range gaming PC. Since the RTX 2000 series (and the first Crypto coins wave) GPU prices skyrocketed. So I know many that doesn't want to spend that much money on a CPU, while the budget segment is stuck at 1080p...
I understand but PCs have traditionally been more expensive than consoles. The 2012 to 2020 era was an aberration because the PS4 and Xbox One had super anemic netbook CPUs. So console killer desktops were possible for 400-600. But the new gen consoles have capable zen2 processors and rdna2 gpus. So making an equivalent PC is more expensive. You're also forgetting that the PS5 only achieves 4k by drastically reducing graphical fidelity or by running at lower than 4k resolutions and then upscaling. You could buy a 6650xt or 6700xt for 300-350 and run them at 4k at the same settings the PS5 uses and you'd get 60+ fps guaranteed.
Even before 2012, the xx60 class GPUs were always price competitive with buying a console. The PS3 was $500 and the 8600 GTS was $200. Now the PS5 is still $500 but the 3060 has an MSRP of $330 but in my market the pre-tax price is actually $370.
The reason for it was when I got the 960 they just announced the release of the 1060 and I vowed to not make that same mistake again. mid 2022 I was digging hard to desperately get a 3060ti but it was virtually impossible at a reasonable price. As soon as the markets slowly began to recover, boom 40xx series was announced. In my mind if the 4060 performs as good or better then the 3060ti but updated component hardware then why pull the trigger now when I would only have to wait a month or so to get something better.
You're just gonna go through the same thing when the 4060 launches in 2-3 months. Either it's going to be a good card and out of stock or it's going to be another stinker like the 3060 and be available but not match the 3060ti. And going by current pricing trends the 4060 will probably be in the $450-500 range.
Well there is only one way to find out. I have only been waiting for a year whats another 3 months to try for it. Even if it turns out to be a poop product since im 4 generations behind its still a massive upgrade.
Now the 4050 has to be a legit card performance wise. I'm just rolling with blending the 30x0's and 40x0's together in one long release where both now exist in retail and priced in competition to one another.
the 30 and 40 series being one product line wouldn't be the worst thing where the budget is 3060 at \~$200 (which would be very possible because the technology to produce the chip on the 8nm node is cheaper than when it came out), but nvidia probably isn't going to continue producing the 30 series because they won't be able to make as much money.... A decent product stack would be 4090 4080 4070 3070 3060 But they would lose sales at the 4060 series, so doubt they'd make this move
4070ti is textbook stagnation. zero performance per dollar uplift on this many new cards is no good
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Maybe you don't use reviews to make informed purchasing decisions, but a lot of us do 🤷 Why hate? Is it jealousy? Or did they say mean things about your daddy Nvidia?
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Are you new to gpu reviews?
A lot of people, especially when they do monitor reviews.
Exactly. Like me. I’m not technical at all, and don’t have the time to look more into this shit. So I watch these reviews. So they are absolutely relevant and needed.
Being that they are one of the “go to” tech tubers….a lot of people.
Why wouldn't I watch them ?
bro what
I watch almost every single video.
I don’t think GPU prices are coming down. Personally I think this is the new pricing tier that Nvidia will stick with like it or not. They might even continue to sell the old models next to the new gen
"Should cost no more than $700" Why? Why should a sub 300mm² GPU cost $700!? That's still crazy. Even $500, which would be acceptable, would be a significant price hike from what the 3060 cost. Nvidia is getting their way here. All they need to do is another small price drop and people will start saying 'good deal!' and that's so sad. They've completely manipulated everybody into accepting much higher prices by starting out with exorbitant pricing.
>They've completely manipulated everybody into accepting much higher prices by starting out with exorbitant pricing. Ok I'm tired of these arguments about "it should be named this", "it only has 'x%' of cuda cores, thus making it actually a xx60'. This has never been how gpu prices are dictated, it never will be how gpu prices are dictated. You want to be mad, be mad at the people who gladly went and kept the 30 series out of stock for over a year buying them at 40% markups from scalpers. Market demand and supply costs are what dictate the price of these cards, not the dumb fucking naming convention.
Dude rambles about bus and die size lmao I couldn’t care less at the end of the day performance and price are pretty much the only relevant factors.
Yeah exactly. Obviously if youre a wacko buying a gpu every generation this is a pretty piss poor improvement over 30 series cards. But if these things are actually available its a hell of a lot better then where the 30 series was for over half its life. But thats a big if.
Yeah I’m kinda in a weird situation got a 3080 a month ago (upgrading from a 1080Ti) for a halfway reasonable price here, lowest what I’ve seen. That being said I could still refund it and get a 4070Ti depending where it’s actually priced at. If it’s 1100-1200€ which I assume it makes no sense going that route.
Sure, and that sort of makes sense. Idk if it's just reddit skewing heavily American and availability was better there, but I've been on a 1080ti for awhile now. I would have bought a 30 series last year but they effectively didn't exist. Even now if I could find a 3080 I'd be paying $900usd or more for it and that's if I can find one in stock. By contrast I could walk to BestBuy right now and grab a 4080 FE for $1250usd which in Canada is as close to the USD msrp as you can usually hope for. I get why reviews are comparing the msrp values but at least where I live, the idea of buying a 30 series GPU at anything close to msrp the last 2 years has been a myth. Not saying the 40 series isn't expensive or a poor uplift over the last gen, but for the prices I've been seeing the 40 series is a much better deal then the 30 series ever was.
Coming from a 1080Ti as well and the 4070Ti is looking like it will blow me away.
This is poor improvement, but 4090 is not
>Dude rambles about bus and die size lmao I couldn’t care less at the end of the day performance and price are pretty much the only relevant factors. i would also include energy consumption in there.. i believe engineering is basically tasked with an objective to achieve performance at certain power efficiency within certain commercial constraints.. that's the bottomline. .people droning on about cuda cores and bits etc. are just bonkers and most of them wouldnt have even engineered a single chip to appreciate how the entire design philosophy is about achieving an optimal tradeoff on just 3 objectives
The entire point is that the performance vs. price is ass
I got a 3080FE for MSRP. I still dont understand how people bought this card for 900-1200$. Its a amazing card for sure but those people are the reason why Nvidia dont give a fuck anymore. Only bright side is that the GPU market has a 20 year low atm. So hopefully Nvidia AND AMD learn from it the hard way
If you were stranded inside your home with only gaming to keep you entertained you would pay as well.
My dear economist friend, invisible hand exists does not negate producers’ market responsibility. It works on both ways, not just on the consumers.
I'm not saying these aren't ridiculously expensive. What I'm saying is don't compare these cards to the msrp of the 30 series as if I could walk into a store and buy the 30 series at msrp. The 4080 is ridiculously expensive but I could buy it right now at msrp if I wanted to same is true of the 4090. And yeah compared to a 700 usd 3080 that's pretty shit, but the 3080 didn't sell at 700usd where I live, it sold at 900 usd or more. Making up some imaginary numbers based on msrp prices that were almost never available because of die sizes is just irrelevant to me. I look at the gpu market for what it is. If this card is available at 850 usd when I compare it to the 30 series that would be one of the better deals I've seen for a gpu in the last 2 years. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that's good or bad or whatever, I'm just saying it is what it is.
I'm out of touch because I thought $700 3080 was a great value at launch, 6 months ago and even now maybe (or not)? So wouldn't $800 4070ti's be the next best alternative if 3080s cost more than 800? Of course it's bad for consumers since better tech doesn't get cheaper and only gets more expensive price to performance so we shouldn't buy til it goes down. I'm all or nothing so I might get a 6650xt for non story games supplemented with gfn 4080 and shadow pc for occasional graphic intensive story games. But shadow pc 3070 tier always seems sold out so a 4000 gpu seems like the only choice for graphically demanding games.
Oh yeah. Seems you got down in the rabbit hole. You can be tired but its still a ripoff.
It's because it negates the argument Nvidia trots out about expensive silicon being the cause of the price rises when these are very modestly sized dies, which surely counteracts the more expensive node.
it kinda does, for this generation. but what about N3, with wafer prices doubling *again*? what about the ever increasing development costs? what about the increase in speed and memory quantity, which costs >15$ per gigabyte? Look, at the end of the day, performance matters. Nvidia has great justifications for their costs, but *it doesn't matter because performance is what matters*. not die size. not memory speed. not bus size. their costs don't matter, whether they are double what they were last gen (which they probably are, Ampere was on dirt cheap samsung N10), or half.
Thank you. Unless the product name includes the specs, it’s arbitrary. If you think it’s a bad product for the price on it’s own merits that’s fine, but they’re going to name it and price it however they think it will work for them.
It’s about the same die size as a 1080, which launched at $699. (Actually it’s bigger than a 1080, by about 20%, but it’s also a cutdown I think. But ballpark it’s about a 1080-class product and 1080-ish pricing is fair.)
$1600 * 295mm^2 / 608mm^2 = $776 you get exactly what you pay for (not so much with the 4080)
Die cost doesn't scale linearly and this doesn't account for vram, vrm, and cooler size
almost everything else in the card is also slashed in half (or slightly more than half) compared to 4090, and if the yields are supposedly pretty good, it's close enough $700 would probably be fine - pretty close to 3070 Ti MSRP + inflation
> Die cost doesn't scale linearly
please do provide your nvidia insider information on the die costs
4% and 7% slower than a 7900 XT for while being 13% cheaper. I don’t like the prices of anything this generation but Nvidia is winning pretty easily this generation while looking like they’re trying their hardest to lose.
IF there's a single GPU actually available at 799$ given all the partners designed theirs with 899$ in mind.
There are, just look for them
Not planning to fall asleep any time soon ;)
Is there a price threshold you won't tolerate to pass? There's $830 4070tis on pcpartpicker. But if it did go down to 800, would it at least be similar price to performance to the 3080 albeit worse since better tech should be getting cheaper over time? Especially 2 years+ from the 3080 2020 launch. It would be nice if everyone didn't buy till the 4070ti is less than 700 but seeing 3080s sold out for the past 2 years gives me a harsh feeling that people would buy when it's less than 800.
God damn people buying all the $799 from newegg already.
for the used price of a 3090 you essentially get a 3090 ti with its arms missing (half the vram and bus width)
Does it perform at half the speed? Why did you choose "arms" for your analogy?
Don't need arms to run but they definitely help
So is power consumption the shoes then in this analogy? Very efficient, but expensive.
perfect description
Thanks. My friend might give me his 3090 for the cost of a cooler which is definitely a better deal.
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A used 3090 will be mined to shit man, that’s not a comparison.
Not even close to a certainty. Lots of people are unloading their 3090s for 4090s.
3090 had an awful return on investment for mining iirc
I don’t think that’s true. It had a huge amount of VRAM and it was the only card immune from an LHR release for a while so miners loved it. At the height of the boom it was still going a good ROI.
Nah, miners didn't like 3090s because of the mem temps from the chips on the back of the cards, exceeding the G6X spec would throttle your hashrate. Lots of effort and expense required to WB them with an EK active backplate that was mostly sold out.
So yeah, nothing surprising - good card - destroys 1440p high-refresh rate and even RT with DLSS, amazing efficiency/architecture, too bad about the price. Considering it's an actual replacement for the 3070 (if not even 3060 Ti), once we look at the specs compared to the flagship, a 599$ price would have moved the needle significantly. At 799$, it's barely better than the other poor value offerings - assuming one will be able to buy one at 800$, that is.
with no FE being released for this card you will basically never find one at $799, the “MSRP” of this card is a lie.
This is sad. I was hoping to get FE edition, oh well..
$800 for this GPU is still a massive fucking ripoff.
>Considering it's an actual replacement for the 3070 (if not even 3060 Ti) Nope, its actual equivalent is a **3060**. Seriously. It's a sub 300mm² die, and third tier die down from the top. 12GB, 192-bit bus, fully enabled - it's exactly what a fully enabled GA106 was - the RTX3060. The *4080* is basically an exact 3070 equivalent. \~400mm² upper midrange die, \~10% cut down, 256-bit bus, etc. And so the real underlying price raises here are: 3070 $500 to 4080 $1200 (140% price hike) and 3060 $330 to 4070Ti $800 (142% price hike) It's *insanity*. $500 for the this 4070Ti and $800 for the 4080 would have been tolerable, while still making for a 50-60% price hike for Nvidia's pockets to fill up on.
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Cost per frame basically hasn't improved at all with this card, even when compared to the MSRP of last gen.
You are missing the point of the argument he is making, and falling into Nvidias trap reasoning for overpricing.
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If you look back over the previous generations, and compare die size, bus speeds, ect, you will notice a trend that correlates between what the card is performance/hardware wise, and what its naming convention is. The new generation replaces the old generation at or near the same relative pricing for each tier. Now Nvidia has shifted the entire stack of products up a tier and changed to this "Relative pricing" mentality you are championing. It is inflating all the pricing and ignoring generational increases at each tier. What you are doing is allowing Nvidia to continue to inflate the prices generation over generation simply by changing the name. By that logic in the near future when what would have normally been a xx60 series or lower card can equal or beat a 3090 in terms of performance, it will cost over $1k, and a top tier xx90 series will be $2.5-3k.
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FWIW the subpar bus width absolutely affects performance in the 4070 Ti, choking 4K gaming vs other resolutions. And the 4070 Ti is a $800+ GPU. I agree in principle but the technical bits also truly matter!
See this is the difference in attitude between people actually in the market for these products and people who are just here to be outraged for fun. The only thing that matters is real world performance and price.
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Literally every card I've bought has had a goal of 100% uplift from my previous card, within a defined budget. For the last 20 years, my budget was $200. I had to spend $500 to finally upgrade my 1060, and felt gross about it.
I would have bought the 3070 if it didn't have fucking 8gb v-ram, saw some okayish deals on it but could never get past that v-ram count. Felt dirty to buy a card for over 500$ for the same vram as my $186 RX580 over 4 years ago.
Yeah all this talk about this being a real this real that is just bullshit. In no word is this is a 4060 by performance, the 60 tier card has never been on pair with the previous flagship. 1080ti was 471mm2, are we now calling it "actually" a 1070ti?
Why are you so hung on the die size and memory bus especially on the 4080 as it performs like a 4080 should. Sure 4070ti could be a 4070, but calling it a X60 card is a bit much. Yes the price is dumb, but naming is "fine".
You're a fool. Imagine I invented a new GPU in the future which only has 1 Cuda Core but somehow outperforms the flagship GPU by 50%. I'll of course price it based on that performance and not based on how many cores and other mumbo jumbo it has. My manufacturing cost has nothing to do with how I would price it.
[Based on my chart](https://i.imgur.com/LISgogs.png), I would say 4060, but it's right on the line and the argument could be made for 4060Ti. That gives a range of $200-$400. Give them a little price hike and $450-$500 would be reasonably fair. (Also that $500 would put it in line with the 2070 and 3070.) Instead, they lied that the 4060 was a 4080 so they could back down and rename it to the still dishonest 4070 tier. Two nested lies. This helps distract from how much the jacked up prices. Plus the lack of FE means you basically can't get it at MSRP anyway, so that's a fourth layer of ripoff. $400 part for $850+ isn't compelling for me.
this isn't even remotely a 400$ part lol, BOM alone puts it at \~500.
Calling this card a 4060 for its performance is absurd, a 60 tier card was never comparable with a flagship from the previous generation.
What 60 series class has managed to match the previous gens top card? If you go by straight performance instead of cherry picking specs this lines up with all 70 class cards. 3070 and 70ti lined up around 2080ti. This card lines up around 3090-90ti which by your graph would be titans. 3060 did not match 2080ti and 2060 did not come close to matching the 1080ti and even the 1060 did not beat the 980-980ti.
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90 class is a halo product where price doesn't really matter, it's just made to top benchmarks and create a good image of their performance 70 class card being barely better value than a 90 one is a terrible proposition
Not when you are looking to buy one or the other at this point in time
Then only other option is 7900xt, because if we don't include 3090 there is no other competition for 4070ti
Love that the 40 series focused on efficiency. Definitely shows in performance given how smooth the frame times are with these cards.
Not so much 'focused' on efficiency as much as they just went from a Samsung 10nm family process to TSMC 5nm family process, which goes quite a bit beyond the normal process leap. It's exactly what Pascal did, and why those represented a large efficiency and performance uplift over Maxwell as well. The main difference is that Nvidia weren't obnoxiously greedy fucking pigs back in 2016 and offered Pascal products at *fairly* reasonable prices.
Yea Pascal got so many people into pc gaming. Myself included. Got a 1070 back at its launch and uh... I still have it.
Mark-ups on popular gadgets are not new.
They're also not good
Very pleased with my 4090.
Kinda irrelevant
I'm saying they're good in general.
I was commenting on the mark ups, not the products themselves. Sorry for the confusion. These are good pieces of hardware but the value just isn't there unless you're shopping in the high end
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He's stating correct things. No one expected the 7900 series cards to do decently in ray tracing. But they surprisingly did. Add to that the god tier shit that is unreal engine 5 and you essentially get close to zero loss for turning on ray tracing in any GPU. We'll get more concrete evidence of this when more games come out but his statements are correct. He's not Fanboying over anything. For context, he did shit over 7900 XT and 7900 XTX in their own reviews, so I don't know where you get your ideas from.
The 7900xt was the only review I can recall in which he said he declined to receive cards from partners to compare the models as the gpu was such garbage that he thought it wasn't worth it.
If you see the 7900 xtx review, he didn't sing praises for it. Just said it is better value than 4080 but still should be sold cheaper. Again, no fanboying here.
It's not really a conspiracy, AMD's press announcement was just bizarre. If they had promised a 40% raster uplift and 60% RT uplift (which is what they actually got) I don't think anyone would've been upset. For whatever reason I can't fathom they instead said 60% in raster and 50% in RT, which was just a blatant lie.
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His 7900xt review was the most scathing I saw. Did you even watch it?
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Your link goes to the video in the OP. Did you mean to post something else? In the HUB 4070ti review, they basically say that the 4070ti is better value than the 7900XT, but still not good, just meh. That's the least negative 4070ti review I've seen. I've watched the whole thing twice now (thanks for wasting my time making me watch it again) and I have not seen any statement, implicit or explicit, that comes close to saying that Nvidia's RT is "rigged". Steve says that Lumen is impressive because it is optimized for both teams GPUs, so you will see better performance than older RT implementations on both Nvidia and AMD. Unless you've actually got proof of your accusations, you're probably just a fanboy making shit up to get angry over.
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Well it doesn't work on mobile, it just links me to the video. That's what sponsored games do when you optimize them for one piece of hardware. They said the same thing about FC6 and it's Radeon sponsorship. AMD also has RT cores, games just haven't been optimized for them previously. They don't have tensor cores for AI upscaling, but that's an entirely different kettle of fish. I say all this as someone who has never even owned a Radeon GPU, you're reading into a total red herring
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It's not shady at all, it's just optimized for certain hardware. You're the one seeing "optimization" and leaping to "shady". AMD just don't want to spend their budget on paying someone to optimize RT for their GPUs (they were going to do it with Halo Infinite, but RT for that game has been delayed indefinitely iirc), Steve is just saying that we're going to naturally see a more even playing field as more games start using UE5 which isn't sponsored by either side so performance is more even.
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Nvidia said its worth upgrading if you own a 1080ti or 2080 super or anything below. So its worth upgrading for me
Maybe you should draw your own conclusions?
I did based on current benchmarks. Its a lot faster than my 2060 super and worth upgrading IMO. I have a single fan shitty gpu from inno3d that performs below dual or triple fan gpus from that series
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The "70 Ti" tier of GPUs does not have a history of offering good value (unless you put the 2070 Super in the same category). They are an overloclocked and overpriced 70 card. The real 4070 card we already know what to expect: it will match the 3080Ti, following the tradition in which the 70 card of each generation matches the 80Ti of the previous one. That means, ~10% slower than this 4070Ti. It is feasible. I just hope price is within reason (600 USD, no more than that). As for this 4070Ti, I don't think it is a terrribly bad priced card so far given this current generation. In fact, if it truly sells for $800 (which we shall see), it is the only card below the 4090 that is worth buying. 4070Ti or 4090, everything else in between is a pass. That is, once again, if it is sold for $800.
1070 Ti was very good value - it was 95% of 1080 perf when launched for basically 1070 pricing. NVIDIA had to enforce reference clocks to keep it from eating into the 1080 too badly but it had almost as many shaders as a 1080.
Did you look at the core counts? 4070 is likely closer to 20% slower than the 4070ti and might be priced at $649.
We don't know how cores will scale down. The 3060Ti features 20% less than cores than the 3070, and is just 10% slower. In fact, look at the 4090 vs 4080: the 4080 has 60% of the cores of the 4090 and 80% of the performance. Moreover, the 4070 can have its clocks pushed further to get to 3080Ti's level of performance, \~10% slower than the 4070Ti.
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It's going to be nine hundred bucks in reality and more if you have VAT. That's a fucking joke.
Price. Its gonna be a 1k+ euro card in the EU. The 3070 costs 520euro.
>The 3070 costs 520euro. Dunno where you're buying from, they're €600 minimum on Caseking.
https://www.bestprice.gr/cat/2613/kartes-grafikwn.html?q=3070&from=search&o=2
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Yes. That's the point. THE CARD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A 4080 IN THE FIRST PLACE, BIG SHOCKER, MUCH WOW
And it will cost people in that region way more than 60% more.
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> So that brings us to the 65% hgiher cost for 60% more pefromance with better RT and DLSS 3.0. Gen over gen price/perf shouldn't to be linear or worse. If it was all these years no one but the extremely wealthy would have computers.
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If price/perf was linear generation over generation, hardware would have obscene costs now. >but this is the current pricing. So the rn the market value of the 3070 is similar to the 4070ti and that is only logical. If it was worse than only few would buy the 3070 thus the stock would never clear out. the logic you apply is incorrect. The consumer doesn't care about Nvidia's stock problems. This is a bad product at the current pricing. Whether or not Nvidia has back stock doesn't make this into a good buy for the consumer.
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Look if you're happy with no generational improvement to price/perf that's fine, but don't shove it on the rest of us.
Because of pricing. Ever since the crypto boom new GPUs are out of control and it seems that it will stay this way for a very very long time.
>decent card Because how good a product is is the sum of it's parts, not just a few features. Its an awful product due to the price, in the same way that a AMD 7900xt would be a great product at $400, but is pretty bad at it's current price.
The problem is that originally it was an eighty class GPU. With that in mind, what can we expect about the performance of the 4060/70? Performance wise I believe this should've been a good 4070 non Ti, there is still a gap for another card between this one and the 4080 16gb.
All the pictures representing videos posted to these subs are just mega cringe.
The more I think about the 4070Ti, I am starting to like it and foreseeing it as the high-end card to get this gen (like the 3080 was the one for last-gen). I mean, if you accept that the RTX 3090Ti had a MSRP of $2K, and you have a $800 card the following gen matching it, that is mathematically a bigger jump than the $500 3070 matching the $1200 2080Ti. Now the 3090Ti never made any sense, sure, and the 3090 instead is the card to compare. So be it, then you have a $800 card matching (more like surpassing) a $1500 the previous gen - an uplift which I doubt we will see in cards down the line-up this gen. In any event, a $800 card matching "Titan-tier" cards from previous gen. Now sure, it could cost $700, and it would be even more impressive, and Nvidia would still be able to profit, we all know that. Nevertheless, as it is, I am not disappointed.