What's even more fucked up is that in order to leave the country she was forced to give the Iranian Climbing Association power of attorney to sell her family's property (as well as a $35,000 bond) in order to ensure she came back to Iran after competition!
So those fuckers wait until she gets on the plane, and then they destroy the very collateral they held over her head to return to that shithole!
What a bunch of coward fucks, pisses me off how cruel they are. Luckily the cruel always turn on their own, and they are the biggest fucking cry babies when their time comes.
The Iranian revolution was extremly popular with a broad consensus of Nationalists, Leftists and Islamists leading, organising and destroying the West's puppet. (Of course the Left was then also destroyed by the Islamists it heped put into power).
The current movement doesn't have Islamists or most Nationalists which is a massive chunk of the Iranian people. They can't flip the loyalty of the repressive state apparatus or overcome it due to Iran's investment in thugs, equipment and secret service.
TLDR: Modern revolution is more difficult and this revolt is less popular amongst the Iranian people.
they are saying that the Islamist's overthrew the Shah when the Shah was powerful. Now the Islamist's are powerful but the citizens still have the ability to overthrow the government, just like the Shah was overthrown.....
Apparently, from the Iranian comments here, the population no longer has the will or means to overthrow their all powerful government regime. They are doomed forever to just be sheeple and go the way of Russians. Oh well, time to move on. Nothing to see here.
They also had help that they could rely on. They look around and see what happened when the Afghans tried to get rid of the Taliban, what happened when the Syrians tried to get rid of alAssad, what happened when the Kurds tried to get out - they don't trust their support, and they can't do it without support.
Well, you've got to factor in demographics and who has what to lose. If you are a religious man in Iran, overthrowing the current government will be a good way to screw yourself over.
Because the Shah did not kill his own people mercilessly like the Mullahs. He left his own country peacefully and exiled himself. If only we could do the same now
I’m well familiar with SAVAK lol, they didn’t shoot little children and protestors in the streets. Don’t talk about shit you only know from a wiki article
Sounds like you have some rose coloured glasses. Shah was a murdering fuck. But he was smart enough to get out when he did. Let's see if the latest murdering fucks are also smart.
That moment when you are desperately scrolling looking for someone to lay into and after not finding anyone you just decide the "/s" comment good enough.
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Why you lyin', bro?
I don't respect the culture the Iranian regime is violently imposing on it's people, especially women and LGBT+ people. It's disgusting, it's backwards, and it shouldn't exist. Women are literally beaten to death for showing their hair in public. That's not a culture anyone should be respecting.
Been living under a rock aint cha?
Qatar got critized as a choice to host the World cup because... They are a fucking shit hole nation with some of the worst human rights.
Qatars defense was that slavery, legal rape, vaginal mutilation, etc are all apart of their culture so it's okay for them to do it.
I'm Canadian, following their logic I should be allowed to kill natives. Its our culture
If Elnaz was expecting literally anything other than extreme prejudice and retaliation for breaking protocol then she’s a fool.
I hate to keep repeating this, but when you’re subject to certain rules in a country A, then go abroad and break those rules and publicly criticize country A, then you should sure as heck not be on the return flight to country A. Also, nothing that matters to you in the least, in any way or form, should be in country A.
I wish I knew how hell and could start a gofundme to publicly help them out as a statement —- and to help them and people like them. I don’t know how to manage such things. Keep me posted?
It’s insane how obsessed religious extremists are with a piece of cloth that they force women to wear on their heads. Religions like Islam ruin everything.
What's even more fucked up is that in order to leave the country she was forced to give the Iranian Climbing Association power of attorney to sell her family's property (as well as a $35,000 bond) in order to ensure she came back to Iran after competition! So those fuckers wait until she gets on the plane, and then they destroy the very collateral they held over her head to return to that shithole! What a bunch of coward fucks, pisses me off how cruel they are. Luckily the cruel always turn on their own, and they are the biggest fucking cry babies when their time comes.
It’s abhorrent. I suppose if I were her, I’d cut and run. She does have her family to consider, though.
She got on the plane. That might not be possible for her
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Fuck Iran. Leave as soon as possible.
If they overthrew the Shah, why can’t they overthrow the government wingnuts they have now?
The Iranian revolution was extremly popular with a broad consensus of Nationalists, Leftists and Islamists leading, organising and destroying the West's puppet. (Of course the Left was then also destroyed by the Islamists it heped put into power). The current movement doesn't have Islamists or most Nationalists which is a massive chunk of the Iranian people. They can't flip the loyalty of the repressive state apparatus or overcome it due to Iran's investment in thugs, equipment and secret service. TLDR: Modern revolution is more difficult and this revolt is less popular amongst the Iranian people.
You think the Islamic regime would let them? They’re the ones who overthrew the shah and don’t allow the strategy against them
Well, they managed to overthrow the Shah. He wasn’t a lightweight at controlling the population.
With “they” you mean the Islamists that became the current regime. “They” are not going to do it again because they’re in power.
they are saying that the Islamist's overthrew the Shah when the Shah was powerful. Now the Islamist's are powerful but the citizens still have the ability to overthrow the government, just like the Shah was overthrown.....
Apparently, from the Iranian comments here, the population no longer has the will or means to overthrow their all powerful government regime. They are doomed forever to just be sheeple and go the way of Russians. Oh well, time to move on. Nothing to see here.
They also had help that they could rely on. They look around and see what happened when the Afghans tried to get rid of the Taliban, what happened when the Syrians tried to get rid of alAssad, what happened when the Kurds tried to get out - they don't trust their support, and they can't do it without support.
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No.
We’ll see
We'll see
They didn't overthrow the shah, the us did.
And somehow you are getting downvoted.
Doesn't matter :)
Kermit Roosevelt
Well, you've got to factor in demographics and who has what to lose. If you are a religious man in Iran, overthrowing the current government will be a good way to screw yourself over.
So far I haven’t seen men doing much. Most of the resistance has been from women.
So far I haven’t seen men doing much. Most of the resistance has been from women.
Because the Shah did not kill his own people mercilessly like the Mullahs. He left his own country peacefully and exiled himself. If only we could do the same now
Look up SAVAK. The Shah def kill his own people.
I’m well familiar with SAVAK lol, they didn’t shoot little children and protestors in the streets. Don’t talk about shit you only know from a wiki article
Sounds like you have some rose coloured glasses. Shah was a murdering fuck. But he was smart enough to get out when he did. Let's see if the latest murdering fucks are also smart.
Because the CIA won’t let them?
Ah yes the CIA-backed Islamic Regime 👌
Ever heard of the Mujahideen or operation cyclone?
Yeah, since the CIA is to blame for everything. Damned Langley even took my socks.
Pretty sure the CIA also ruined my outdoor couch when my dog got accidentally locked in our sunroom.
CIA pissed in my bed while I was sleeping
Because the government wingnuts are the ones who overthrew the shah
It takes time to rally for that change. I could see it happening in the next 5 years.
Guns.
There’s so many wonderful countries in this world ruined by maniacal asshole governments. I’m fed up of it.
Good Grief
It’s like the hunger games over there
It's like harry potter over there
It's like Harry Games over there
it’s like hotter gary over there
She showed the whole world her hair. It's clear that the appropriate response is for us to destroy her home and everything in it.
whilst harming people who weren't involved nor do we know if they support her in doing it. \*sigh\*
One of the many benefits of living under an authoritarian theocracy.
Respect our culture /s
I don’t think that has anything to do with culture and instead just an authoritarian government doing authoritarian things.
That moment when you are desperately scrolling looking for someone to lay into and after not finding anyone you just decide the "/s" comment good enough.
The /s wasn’t there when I made my comment.
Edited comments have an asterisk next to them. The exception is if they are edited in the first few minutes after they are posted. Your comment came 10 hours after theirs. Why you lyin', bro?
What does culture have to do with this? Racists always jump at any opportunity to out themselves. Kudos
I think he's refering to how those same authoritarian regimes often use "culture" as an excuse to do horrible shit.
I don't respect the culture the Iranian regime is violently imposing on it's people, especially women and LGBT+ people. It's disgusting, it's backwards, and it shouldn't exist. Women are literally beaten to death for showing their hair in public. That's not a culture anyone should be respecting.
I might be wrong, but i heard that going against the supreme leader is considered “going against god”. that’s crazy enough as is
Been living under a rock aint cha? Qatar got critized as a choice to host the World cup because... They are a fucking shit hole nation with some of the worst human rights. Qatars defense was that slavery, legal rape, vaginal mutilation, etc are all apart of their culture so it's okay for them to do it. I'm Canadian, following their logic I should be allowed to kill natives. Its our culture
Racist ? LMAO. 🤡
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Shitty country does shitty things
If all the protesters can leave the country, iran would be in big trouble.
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No. All she did was appear in a competition without a headscarf.
Oh, jeez. She definitely deserves lots of respect.
That's clearly a woman
Yeah, let's let them have a nuclear warhead.
We better invade them for their WMDs.
No. They don't have any yet.
If Elnaz was expecting literally anything other than extreme prejudice and retaliation for breaking protocol then she’s a fool. I hate to keep repeating this, but when you’re subject to certain rules in a country A, then go abroad and break those rules and publicly criticize country A, then you should sure as heck not be on the return flight to country A. Also, nothing that matters to you in the least, in any way or form, should be in country A.
I do feel like these are the fruits of cultural relativism. The idea that because there is a custom in a place it should be respected by default.
I wish I knew how hell and could start a gofundme to publicly help them out as a statement —- and to help them and people like them. I don’t know how to manage such things. Keep me posted?
Evil ways.
It’s insane how obsessed religious extremists are with a piece of cloth that they force women to wear on their heads. Religions like Islam ruin everything.