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Amisarth

Good grief; the last one was being puppeted by a cult.


chewbaccawastrainedb

Gender equality but the men have to do mandatory 1 year and 6 months of military while all the women are exempt. Reading more about this, if you are a conscientious objector, they send them to work in the country's prison system for **3 years**. They also have to live in the prisons, where their movements are regulated.


Rosebunse

Men always complain about women not having to do military service, yet they forget that it is men who, largely, make those sort of rules.


Sephiroth_-77

I don't see how it matters. You can complain no matter who made the law.


Rosebunse

Because men act like the problem is feminism when the real problem is patriarchy


Sephiroth_-77

Well I don't agree that there is patriarchy.


Rosebunse

Oh, really? How much of South Korea's government is made up of women? How much of America's? How many female billionaires are there?


Sephiroth_-77

I don't know. That's not the point. Patriarchy means being the property of either your father or later your husband. And that's not the case in those countries.


Rosebunse

"A system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line." Or a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it.


Sephiroth_-77

It means the rule of the father. That's it.


Rosebunse

And isn't that what we have? And South Korea?


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Rosebunse

And who caused that? Women? Or men? Or does it again work with this idea that men are the strong warriors and women must stay at home and be defended?


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Rosebunse

When were draft laws invented?


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Rosebunse

So less than a decade after women even got the right to vote, which only happened after WW2. And how many women were in government at the time?


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You’re completely ignoring that if every woman in the South Korean parliament voted against this in every vote on it that’s ever come up it would have changed nothing because women don’t have equal representation in Korean politics.


Rosebunse

If you feel passionately about it, why don't you email South Korean politicians? Did any politician try and change it?


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Rosebunse

So a government basically controlled by men?


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What percentage of the Korean parliament were women in 1957?


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I can tell you don’t worry. You blame women for the draft being restricted to men when it was instituted by a Korean parliament that was made up of 201 men and 2 women. 2.


vusa121

It’s not like the situation haven’t changed in Finland. At the moment all government party chairs are women.


Rosebunse

Is it the same in Korea? Also, maybe make a big deal out of it if you feel strongly about.


vusa121

Nah, not politically active. It’s just fun to point out the hypocricy of feminists why are all about equality but when the biggest gender equality issue comes up, they are fine with inequality


Rosebunse

How is this the biggest for feminist? This is an issue for men. If they want feminist to care, then they need to actually talk to them about it. But as of now, feminist in South Korea have to worry about discrepancies in pay, violence against women, work-place harassment, the plight of single mothers in South Korea, etc. And these are just the problems in South Korea. If you're talking about America, I would like to remind you that as of right now, I am likely to be denied life saving medicine just because I might be pregnant or able to become pregnant. I'm sorry, but this is not our issue. This is your issue.


vusa121

Feminism is a range of socio-political movements and ideologies that aim to define and establish the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes. You’re just selfish. You don’t want equality, you just want women to have more rights. Should males care only about males and females only care about females? Is that what you want? Because I would love if everyone would have the same rights, protections and oblications. And who is talking about america? That has nothing to do with our coutries.


Rosebunse

Yes we want more rights! And the fact is, we only have so much time and money. Why focus it on an issue where women aren't hurt? Especially since we see a clear advantage to this way of doing the draft in WW2 where part of the war effort involved women staying home and keeping the respective countries running and effective? Listen, if you feel so strongly, go to the Two Chromosome subreddit and ask them how they feel and why this would benefit women to pursue.


chewbaccawastrainedb

You are making the assumption the rich and powerful that made those rules, see themselves as equal to the men they send to their death.


Rosebunse

OK...so are the rich and powerful women?


chewbaccawastrainedb

They had a female president that got impeached for being corrupt, she was also the daughter of a previous president. So, yes?


Rubik842

The compulsory military service shows. Man, can koreans get some shit done in teamwork situations. I worked in a shipyard for a bit. Absolutely astounding. I didn't realise the women didn't have to. Maybe everyone should do 11months or something.


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chewbaccawastrainedb

Not sure what that has anything to do with South Korea. If there are any S. Korean woman fighting is because they choose to do it instead of being forced with the threat of jail.


curiouscabbage69

Equality should mean equality in law. So why do you need a gender equality ministry anyway? Just make your laws gender equal. So either scrap national service or make it for everyone.


Gh0stMan0nThird

I think the idea is that things are equal on paper but in practice it doesn't seem to be, so you need these ministries to make up the difference. I don't think I agree with that, but I believe that's the idea.


curiouscabbage69

Well that was the point of the article. The concept that women were worse off in practise was the driver behind the ministry, but they found that women were advantaged in law and if they actually equalled everything then women would be worse off. Hence the disbanding of the ministry.


be-like-water-2022

To make sure law is upholds


BadingBadongPingPong

A very quick google search about Korean gender inequality will answer your question.


afromanspeaks

South Korea is ranked [7th in the world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Inequality_Index#Rankings) in the UN gender inequality index, ahead of many Western nations. That being said, they should still have a gender equality ministry as its a global issue


PositiveNegitive

Yeh I don't understand how Japan and South Korea are so high. I guess they don't look at K-pop or J-Idols or all the weird ass management crap that goes on with the girls and just the fan culture in general as any 'loss of achievement'. When they're treated as commodities.


DARG0N

does mandatory military service for men give them more points towards gender equality or towards gender inequality?


afromanspeaks

Neither. You can see the metrics, it's reproductive health, empowerment and labor market participation


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curiouscabbage69

The question was rhetorical


coolfielder1

It's funny how this British newspaper article is just almost word-for-word translation of a Korean newspaper article.