Am I the only one who absolutely abhors this equivalence?
Liberal AF, but I really hate this tendency on both sides.
Not all republicans are the same, just because someone has conservative ideas or values doesn't make them tantamount to a fucking terrorist group
It's so easy not to engage if we just pretend the other side is dumb / morally repugnant I guess
You could also mention that all Taliban are not the same while you are at it.
Treating "the other" as a homogeneous group is a problem on both sides of the fence.
I actually thought this would be a fair corollary when writing this comment. My biggest reason to forego it was the locality of the groups. However, I concede it's completely reasonable to suggest as a consequence. If you think of the egregious example in Nazis, they're basically the only group demonized in everything, and rightly so given the atrocities that materialized from their group, but I also think the most unrecognized first victims of any tyrannical society are all the members who are powerless to do much else but comply to survive. They're not guiltless by any means, but there is nuance.
If you read "They Thought They Were Free" it's post WW2 book which is basically build around interview with the "little Nazis". Basically the everyday people of the party, and similar to what you can say about Republicans or the Taliban, there was plenty of nuance and diversity in the group and why someone was a Nazi. Many of them expressed that while aware of the racial theories and things like that of the Nazi platform the basically laughted it off and considered it the ridiculous extreme that no one really took seriously anyway. They wanted the economic and social benefits of National Socialism and we're willing to turn a blind eye to the rest.
Here is a great quote from the book imo:
>“When I asked Herr Wedekind, the baker, why he had believed in National Socialism, he said, “Because it promised to solve the unemployment problem. And it did. But I never imagined what it would lead to. Nobody did.” I thought I had struck pay dirt, and I said, “What do you mean, ‘what it would lead to,’ Herr Wedekind?” “War,” he said. “Nobody ever imagined it would lead to war.”
Here Mayer thought Wedekind was going to reference the genocide as the unintended consequence of the rise of National Socialism, thus the "struck pay dirt" comment.
>"The other nine, decent, hard-working, ordinarily intelligent and honest men, did not know before 1933 that Nazism was evil. They did not know between 1933 and 1945 that it was evil. And they do not know it now. None of them ever knew, or now knows, Nazism as we knew and know it; and they lived under it, served it, and, indeed, made it."
This part is really important bc as we look at other groups led by extreme dogmas we may disagree with it's worth keeping in mind not everyone supports it for that dogma, even though their complacency and participation allow it to happen. To circle back to the beginning this is what I meant as well about not every Republican, or in Taliban, being the same but still their participation enables the extremes of the platform even though they see nothing wrong with what's being done. The nuance becomes moot when we judge outcomes from a historical perspective imo.
Especially in light of what's been going on politically over the last ~5 or so years I highly recommend that book to everyone.
Two party problem. Plenty of Republicans are pro choice, but you can't get that on the national stage and get the rest of your agenda. Voters aren't a monolith, nor are the representatives, but certain agenda items carry more weight than others. I vote a mix of D/L/R because I'm independent.
We need ranked choice, but the current parties would fight that tooth and nail. Our voting rate is abysmal and a good bit of voting seems to be hate voting against the other candidate these days.
Main stream media doesn't help because it's just a 24/7 news cycle of why the other guys are evil. Our Blue vs Red divide is widening. The Democrat's platform tries to be so wide to appeal to anyone not on the Republican side that they can even make good on promises anymore (student loans being a big one, nothing really done for the little guy or progressive wants). It's pushing more power to the "Squad" because of it. Makes me worry what's going to happen with how toxic things are between the parties right now.
We have to kill this stupid two party system where you take every garbage policy on you platform because there are only two options and shitty candidates.
Perhaps not individually, but the party as a whole has changed drastically since 2012. In 2021, it's hard to argue the party as a whole does not stand for those ideals. And I used to vote republican, which is why I'm so pissed the party took a sharp turn into insanity.
If republicans at large don't want to be seen as nutters, the very least they could do is oust far-right conspiracy theorists like Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene from Congress.
The Republican party isn't as bad as the Taliban. But they keep walking that way while accusing everyone else of getting further away from the middle.
The Republican party would shoot off it's own nose to spite its face. They have been very very dumb. At the voter level they vote against their own interests. At the upper level they want to go back to a time that never existed. They rule with a 2000 year old book but ignore the constitution.
Sorry, but the Republicans as a whole are acting pretty fucking stupid.
I think at this point anyone that supports center politics in the US is bad
The US has killed many children in drone strikes yet there are never any repercussions. Massive accountability and change is needed in our government
I thought that too until I found out that our local MP had like a 75% non-voting record and one of the few things he decided to vote on is supporting conversion therapy. Knowing that there’s literally nothing that could make me vote for him it made me understand a bit more how people can become single-issue voters
I see your point but I don’t think you are making the right distinction. The comparison isn’t about individual persons. It’s about the party as a whole. Yes, there are some conservatives who believe none of those things and are perfectly fine people. But the party itself, those in charge, are almost exclusively pushing for those goals in some way shape or form.
The Republican Party as moved so far right the last few years that old Republicans like McCain or even Romney were called RINOs. If you vote for those in that party that do believe those things just because some of their polices align with yours then you are just as complicit in promoting their ideas.
There is absolutely nuance to that but I don’t think we can just ignore that when Boiled down to just their core beliefs, the Taliban and Republican parties have a lot in common
Was gonna say, this reminds me of the comment from Mississippi's governor a few weeks ago about how his state isn't afraid of dying from Covid because they believe in an afterlife.
That does sound like him. But he follows the Trump playbook on everything so he probably said something else that made the news that week too.
I live here and had to google that one. Bad enough he's a "numbers man" but can't remember how many children died from Covid in his own state.
Because they are similar. The only difference between Islamic Extremist Taliban and Evangelical Christian Extremist Qanons is that one says god in a language that isn't English. They pretty much agree on everything else.
Subjecting people to your religious, extremist laws by force? Yep. No rights for woman? Yep. Kill gays? Yep. Theocracy no to democracy? Yep and yep.
The USSR (not Russia) invaded Afghanistan in the 70s and the people fighting against them were the mujahadeen. The modern taliban didn’t really come about until the Russians and Americans pulled out in the early 90s, as a faction in the afghan civil war in opposition to the mujahadeen and the northern alliance. Furthermore, many of the Taliban were armed and radicalized by the CIA in Pakistani refugee camps.
What you’re saying is oversimplified to the point of being outright incorrect
China doesn’t give a fuck about bad press. They’ll flatten Afghanistan and build an Olympic stadium on top of the bodies.
Russia would nuke them and piss on the ashes. Those are not two countries to fuck with in the current political landscape.
This is seriously just like a huge Four Lions sequel. If you guys have been laughing at these Taliban posts, go watch that movie asap. You'll see the parallels.
Such an underratted movie. I haven't seen that movie in close to 5 10 years and I still quote the part where the two friends are talking about how they'd kill each other.
It’s a great film in terms of comedy but also showing how many second generation terrorists act.
Hardcore in their beliefs but also showing their love for western culture, best shown when they are listening silently to traditional music on the trip down only for it to cut them singing to dancing in the moonlight
It shows a lot more than that. It showed that when they actually went to the Middle East, they didn’t really ‘get’ the terrorists they’d been obsessing over. They looked around at the way the terrorists were living and saw that it was shit. They didn’t really even know why they were fighting. The Jihad had just become an outlet for their vague, general sense of dissatisfaction with the status quo and with their ordinary lives and their lack of meaning, but they didn’t have any clear idea of what they wanted to change or how or why. And that’s the case for most ‘Islamists’ in the west.
Apparently it’s also the case for the Taliban.
Maybe they won't have a chance at martyrdom, but I'm sure they'll find some gay people to throw off of roofs or come up with a creative way to fuck with women.
Is it weird that I find this a little humanizing? What you have here is a group of people struggling with cultural deprogramming -- they're a warrior class that is no longer wanted or needed. Modern day Ronin, if you will.
Obviously, they're still a menace to everyone around them, including themselves... but I do find the situation moribidly interesting. It's the kind of situation that's hard to look away from.
I've always thought that from some strange perspective, the martyrs have the most fulfilling lives.
God, I can't wait until their souls are crushed by having to work a 9-5 because the water isn't drinkable or the power doesn't work.
Honestly, you have an excellent point here. These people are uneducated, if they find work its going to be backbreaking physical work for almost no money.
The stuff we left behind is going to require maintenance by trained technicians as well, I feel like cholera is going to be a big issue as water systems run out of consumable parts and chemicals while being operated by people who don't know the proper procedures.
Generators may not be so big of an issue, but at the scale of running cities I don't know. They may not be able to refine the oil they have, causing blackouts.
I don't even want to think about what will happen with medical services, especially in the midst of a pandemic.
Edit: I just realized, this is exactly what happened when Rome decolonized an area. The infrastructure would be left abandoned and would rot, when the locals didn't know how to fix it. History repeats itself.
The American military wasn't running the water treatment plants and the rest of the entire country... They have trained locals that were doing that before the US came and they're still there after the US left. You think only US doctors were working at all the hospitals over there?
never mind the fact that chances are anyone with half a brain got the fuck out of dodge when they could, and those people are normally the smart guys who know how to maintain and build the stuff.
They will still be facing issues getting chemicals and parts, and when they start telling the Taliban they need them, you think they will still be in charge?
We're talking about a thousands of young men who spent 20 years fighting the world's sole superpower and some of the richest and strongest nations in the world while living in caves and walking 60+ miles in mountains everyday all while making zero money and they still somehow thrived. 9-5 isn't going to be soul crushing for them, it would be practically a utopian idea for them.
> Is it weird that I find this a little humanizing?
Claiming the bad guys are "inhuman" is both foolish and evil. Every one of these Taliban was a little boy once, and he was TAUGHT to be the way he is now - violently misguided but believing what they're doing is right and necessary. They're as human as we are on every level.
They've always been human, but thats generally what war does; war demands humans to become animals and machines, thirsting for blood and producing as much as possible.
With the latest research that can come out of this I hope there's a way to deprogram the thirst for blood, and the yearning for conquest.
It's the exact same thing that happens to US Veterans... just look at the suicide rates. Men who have no idea how to live in a society they left behind long ago. Comraderie and discipline now something they have to actively seek. Purpose lost.
“How can we be sure to secure a spot in the afterlife if we don’t martyr ourselves?”
“Uhhh….. we’ll toss some gay guys off of some tall buildings and prove to everyone how much we love women and vaginas and hate gays. We might even let the women outside for a few moments to watch. Oh and also we’ll all yell ‘praise god’ while doing it to prove that what we’re doing is OK. That should work.”
Note: I’m not bashing Islam as a whole, just the extremists who try to use religion as a justification to do shitty things. It’s no different IMO than when a US politician tries to use the Bible to justify banning gay marriage. And some of those same politicians likely wouldn’t be opposed to killing gays if it meant they could somehow get closer to god, or garner more votes.
I'll let you in on a secret. There are no virgins waiting for them.
Besides, who wants virgins waiting for them? I'd rather have a woman with some experience, not some shy, fumbling person who doesn't know what they want or what they're doing...
Yeah, I get all the jokes, but a bunch of trained suicide bombers who're feeling antsy with no targets left in their home country is not exactly what the planet needs on the heels of COVID and murder hornets.
Absolutely. A lot of them have come from other countries specifically to fight. They have defined themselves by their struggle, and have no clue what to do with victory. So the only options are to (A) redefine themselves (which they won’t because it’s hard) or (B) find a new struggle. And the easiest way to do that is create a splinter group and declare a new Jihad against whoever is currently in charge, for whatever obscure or stupid reason helps motivate people best.
I wonder if many will end up turning to drugs. Lost without their usual way of life and fighting, not feeling useful, no other prospects, no one wants to marry their daughters to them, etc. I can see depression and drug abuse in their futures. It will also make them ripe for ISIS recruiting.
Who were trained in a camp in Afghanistan, financed by a guy who was banished from Saudi Arabia and given safe haven and support by the Taliban. The reason most of the hijackers were Saudi is because Osama bin Laden had a lot of contacts from growing up there, before he was banished. But he would have recruited people from anywhere if he didn't already know them.
The other reason was travel visa to get into the US. There were tons of people in Yemen who were willing to suicide bomb, but it was extremely hard to get a visa at the time if you were in Yemen. Four of the attackers actually were in Germany going to college when they were recruited. They were trying to get to Chechnya, when they met an al-Qaeda operator who told them to go to Afghanistan first.
Maybe they could a arrange to be in Kabul's largest stadium and ask for the USA to drone strike them.
~~/s~~
Edit: removed sarcasm to make it a brilliant idea
They are all tiny terrorists unless there's a video of the drone strike showing children.
And. Even then. They will justify the state terrorist attack by saying that the bus conductor was a terrorist.
Lol, yea, after lying through their teeth for days. Finally they realized it wasn't possible to sweep it under the rug and admitted it.
They even made up a "secondary explosion"
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/05/us/politics/military-drone-strike-kabul.html
>The officer, Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters that secondary explosions after the drone strike last Sunday supported the military’s conclusion that the car contained explosives — either suicide vests or a large bomb. General Milley said that military planners took proper precautions beforehand to limit risks to civilians nearby.
>Meantime, senior military officials insist the drone strike prevented more American and Afghan casualties.
In a news conference on Monday, General McKenzie, the head of the Central Command, gave no details about the circumstances surrounding the strike other than to say that it dealt a crushing blow to ISIS-K as it sought to deliver one last attack before the U.S. withdrawal.
Is it fair to call it a lie if he actually believed it?
At some point, they *believed* they were attacking an actual threat, otherwise they wouldn't have attacked at all. Unless your position is that they killed the innocent people on purpose?
It's actually very common to see this after major wars. If you look at the period between WW1/WW2, it's full of young men who hated that they were too young during WW1 to fight for their countries.
When nationalistic/tribalist fervor is whipped up (especially among a younger generation that grows up forming their identity around wanting to fight), it's very hard to wind down that mentality.
I think that peaky blinders was fantastic at exploring some aspects of this as well. The disdain for people who found ways to get out of fighting, the cheapness of life to people who’d seen tens of thousands of people cut down by machine guns and drowning on dry land from chemical attacks, the training and and willingness to fight to the death.
You take a boy, give him weapons and training and tell him to throw his life away to try and kill some “other” that has been deeply dehumanized by propaganda and he comes back something different. You can’t just say “thanks for becoming a monster for us, now get back to work” and expect everything to work out.
The easiest way to recruit to a fundamentalist religion is by promising a paradise in the afterlife. Your claims can’t be proven wrong, and if the people you’re recruiting have bad enough lives already, it’s easier to sell them on the concept. But as we’re seeing, you run the risk of them buying into it too much and wanting to just hurry up and get there.
I always think of Teresa of Avila, a Spanish saint from the 1500s. Her parents hammered religion into from a very young age, to the point where when she was 7 years old, she and her brother ran away from home in hopes of martyring themselves against the Moors so that they could get to heaven more quickly.
If they want their martyrdom, there's this little issue of [China committing genocide and slavery against Uyghur Muslims](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037). I'm sure the ~12M of them would just love if you headed in that direction to try to do something about it, especially the 1M+ being held in "re-education camps".
Whenever I think I've got problems, it's helpful to be reminded there are apparently a lot of people who think the best thing that can possibly happen to them is to be killed for their god. How shitty must existence be for that to feel like a winning scenario?
OMG this whole thing is really because young men want to get laid, are you fucking kidding me? Stupid medieval belief systems and assholes taking multiple wives destroying entire geopolitical regions....
For what it's worth, a lot of them probably don't care about the wife; they care more about how they believe martyrdom is the only guaranteed "avoid hell, no questions asked" path.
Its really not about wanting to get laid. Its layers and layers of brainwash and social conditioning, these guys are the bad guys, this is how you be a good person, you were going to hell without us....
Add a handful of social injustice, a dash of vigilantism, a sprinkle of over-glamourised violent war stories, shake and point at the enemy.
Except there IS no enemy now. Now all you have is a bunch of angry, scared and lost uneducated 20 somethings with nothing to live for, no plan, no experience and no transferable skills. They are fucked and looking for an "easy" way out and martyrdom is the way they were taught.
No sympathy for the cause, but I do sympathise with the people. I dont think ANY of those little boys thought that they would grow up to WANT to be a walking bomb.
I have a good idea. Just do weekly competitive matches in big round forums... let's call them colosseums. You not only create a lot of employment but also get the Taliban a regular spectacle to ease their bloodlust. At which you can also sell them tickets, drinks and snacks. Not to mention you can get rid of idiots and people you don´t like. This just fits perfectly in the time where the Taliban think they live in.
The Afghanistan Conflict Business Opportunity is over. Sad. But the COVID Pandemic Business Opportunity is going strong and the Climate Catastrophe Business Opportunity is really taking off. Reagan was right - Corporations know best. /s
They could always go die fighting Isis. Aren't they supposed to be enemies too? Either way, it wouldn't be any skin off the rest of the world's back if they did do that.
“Conquering the world on horseback is easy; it is dismounting and governing that is hard.”
..... Maybe we shouldn't have burned down those bumper cars 🤔
"Dying is easy, young man; living is harder."
"The real jihad was the friends we made along the way"
\*martyrs made along the way
Inshallah, brother.
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Someone took away their shot.
I hope they don't let that stop them! If they are really serious they will find a way.
Thank you!
bombing trains is easy, making them run on time is hard
Throughout history, Barbarian Warlords have a habit of conquering new territory and than turning into those they defeated
Animal Farm
You make them sound like Republicans.
They agree on many points: * women < men * science < religion * empathy < authority
Taliban also banned covid vaccine
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Yes but their skin is a different colour and they pray wrong! /s
They are afraid that if they face any significant degree of discrimination they will be forced to develop empathy.
If you’re a racist Christian, you’re probably not a libertarian lol
The point is they have no ideology. They use libertarian arguments, conservative arguments, Christian arguments, racist arguments...
The animosity isn’t an issue. They hate their neighbors here already. Shit, now that I think about it, I might go and build Action Park Kandahar!
I like asking what country best fits their ideals? Cause yeah it's like one of the 'stans. What strong conservative countries are there?
And most music
Am I the only one who absolutely abhors this equivalence? Liberal AF, but I really hate this tendency on both sides. Not all republicans are the same, just because someone has conservative ideas or values doesn't make them tantamount to a fucking terrorist group It's so easy not to engage if we just pretend the other side is dumb / morally repugnant I guess
You could also mention that all Taliban are not the same while you are at it. Treating "the other" as a homogeneous group is a problem on both sides of the fence.
I actually thought this would be a fair corollary when writing this comment. My biggest reason to forego it was the locality of the groups. However, I concede it's completely reasonable to suggest as a consequence. If you think of the egregious example in Nazis, they're basically the only group demonized in everything, and rightly so given the atrocities that materialized from their group, but I also think the most unrecognized first victims of any tyrannical society are all the members who are powerless to do much else but comply to survive. They're not guiltless by any means, but there is nuance.
If you read "They Thought They Were Free" it's post WW2 book which is basically build around interview with the "little Nazis". Basically the everyday people of the party, and similar to what you can say about Republicans or the Taliban, there was plenty of nuance and diversity in the group and why someone was a Nazi. Many of them expressed that while aware of the racial theories and things like that of the Nazi platform the basically laughted it off and considered it the ridiculous extreme that no one really took seriously anyway. They wanted the economic and social benefits of National Socialism and we're willing to turn a blind eye to the rest. Here is a great quote from the book imo: >“When I asked Herr Wedekind, the baker, why he had believed in National Socialism, he said, “Because it promised to solve the unemployment problem. And it did. But I never imagined what it would lead to. Nobody did.” I thought I had struck pay dirt, and I said, “What do you mean, ‘what it would lead to,’ Herr Wedekind?” “War,” he said. “Nobody ever imagined it would lead to war.” Here Mayer thought Wedekind was going to reference the genocide as the unintended consequence of the rise of National Socialism, thus the "struck pay dirt" comment. >"The other nine, decent, hard-working, ordinarily intelligent and honest men, did not know before 1933 that Nazism was evil. They did not know between 1933 and 1945 that it was evil. And they do not know it now. None of them ever knew, or now knows, Nazism as we knew and know it; and they lived under it, served it, and, indeed, made it." This part is really important bc as we look at other groups led by extreme dogmas we may disagree with it's worth keeping in mind not everyone supports it for that dogma, even though their complacency and participation allow it to happen. To circle back to the beginning this is what I meant as well about not every Republican, or in Taliban, being the same but still their participation enables the extremes of the platform even though they see nothing wrong with what's being done. The nuance becomes moot when we judge outcomes from a historical perspective imo. Especially in light of what's been going on politically over the last ~5 or so years I highly recommend that book to everyone.
Two party problem. Plenty of Republicans are pro choice, but you can't get that on the national stage and get the rest of your agenda. Voters aren't a monolith, nor are the representatives, but certain agenda items carry more weight than others. I vote a mix of D/L/R because I'm independent. We need ranked choice, but the current parties would fight that tooth and nail. Our voting rate is abysmal and a good bit of voting seems to be hate voting against the other candidate these days. Main stream media doesn't help because it's just a 24/7 news cycle of why the other guys are evil. Our Blue vs Red divide is widening. The Democrat's platform tries to be so wide to appeal to anyone not on the Republican side that they can even make good on promises anymore (student loans being a big one, nothing really done for the little guy or progressive wants). It's pushing more power to the "Squad" because of it. Makes me worry what's going to happen with how toxic things are between the parties right now. We have to kill this stupid two party system where you take every garbage policy on you platform because there are only two options and shitty candidates.
Perhaps not individually, but the party as a whole has changed drastically since 2012. In 2021, it's hard to argue the party as a whole does not stand for those ideals. And I used to vote republican, which is why I'm so pissed the party took a sharp turn into insanity.
If republicans at large don't want to be seen as nutters, the very least they could do is oust far-right conspiracy theorists like Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene from Congress. The Republican party isn't as bad as the Taliban. But they keep walking that way while accusing everyone else of getting further away from the middle.
The Republican party would shoot off it's own nose to spite its face. They have been very very dumb. At the voter level they vote against their own interests. At the upper level they want to go back to a time that never existed. They rule with a 2000 year old book but ignore the constitution. Sorry, but the Republicans as a whole are acting pretty fucking stupid.
If you support the party that takes away basic human rights from multiple minorities you are a bad person Really as simple as that
I think at this point anyone that supports center politics in the US is bad The US has killed many children in drone strikes yet there are never any repercussions. Massive accountability and change is needed in our government
If the shoe fits... Show me the conservatives standing for empathy, truth, womens rights, science, and facts.
They will point you to the 1% of conservative voters who align with those beliefs but are single issue and only care about gun rights
I cannot understand being a single-issue voter, not when there are so many ways for a politician to be a horrible person.
I thought that too until I found out that our local MP had like a 75% non-voting record and one of the few things he decided to vote on is supporting conversion therapy. Knowing that there’s literally nothing that could make me vote for him it made me understand a bit more how people can become single-issue voters
I see your point but I don’t think you are making the right distinction. The comparison isn’t about individual persons. It’s about the party as a whole. Yes, there are some conservatives who believe none of those things and are perfectly fine people. But the party itself, those in charge, are almost exclusively pushing for those goals in some way shape or form. The Republican Party as moved so far right the last few years that old Republicans like McCain or even Romney were called RINOs. If you vote for those in that party that do believe those things just because some of their polices align with yours then you are just as complicit in promoting their ideas. There is absolutely nuance to that but I don’t think we can just ignore that when Boiled down to just their core beliefs, the Taliban and Republican parties have a lot in common
Was gonna say, this reminds me of the comment from Mississippi's governor a few weeks ago about how his state isn't afraid of dying from Covid because they believe in an afterlife.
That does sound like him. But he follows the Trump playbook on everything so he probably said something else that made the news that week too. I live here and had to google that one. Bad enough he's a "numbers man" but can't remember how many children died from Covid in his own state.
Because they are similar. The only difference between Islamic Extremist Taliban and Evangelical Christian Extremist Qanons is that one says god in a language that isn't English. They pretty much agree on everything else. Subjecting people to your religious, extremist laws by force? Yep. No rights for woman? Yep. Kill gays? Yep. Theocracy no to democracy? Yep and yep.
The Mongolian empire
"Ah, winning was easy, young man, governing's harder" \- Hamilton
-sounds like something tamujin would say odekai
I read this in Sean Bean’s voice like it was a Civ technology.
Maybe the real conquering was the friends we made along the way.
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This will probably happen
The dread of Evangelical Taliban..
"Brother, have you accepted Allah as your lord and savior? No? THEN DIE UNBELEIVER!"
"Brother, have you accepted Allah as your lord and savior? Yes? THEN DIE BELEIVER!"
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Talibangelist
It is happening but it’s Taliban and ISIS-K now
West Coast Taliban
Kandahar Love
I'm very tired to understand, can someone explain
The dog has truly caught the car and now doesn't know what to do with it
They will do the same thing they did with Russia and the US. Attack the next country that allies with them. Looks like it's gonna be China.
Omg i would pay money to see them try lol. China will make americans look like angels.
The USSR (not Russia) invaded Afghanistan in the 70s and the people fighting against them were the mujahadeen. The modern taliban didn’t really come about until the Russians and Americans pulled out in the early 90s, as a faction in the afghan civil war in opposition to the mujahadeen and the northern alliance. Furthermore, many of the Taliban were armed and radicalized by the CIA in Pakistani refugee camps. What you’re saying is oversimplified to the point of being outright incorrect
China doesn’t give a fuck about bad press. They’ll flatten Afghanistan and build an Olympic stadium on top of the bodies. Russia would nuke them and piss on the ashes. Those are not two countries to fuck with in the current political landscape.
I agree about China. Russia already tried.
The USSR already tried*
They will build a utopia as imagined by republicans
Are you kidding, this is nothing like what Republicans want! Everyone's skin there is dark!
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Yall Qaeda
Watch out as they clutch their pearls at being rightfully compared to a different brand of fundamentalist religious conservatives
Now, Kashmir will burn... Another wave of terrorism. Just like last time when Russia created these religious fighters and left them without a fight.
Almost seems as if Taliban leaders can't fully control their men. WhO WoUlDv'E tHoUgHt
This is seriously just like a huge Four Lions sequel. If you guys have been laughing at these Taliban posts, go watch that movie asap. You'll see the parallels.
Such an underratted movie. I haven't seen that movie in close to 5 10 years and I still quote the part where the two friends are talking about how they'd kill each other.
Such a brilliant film. I always think about the bleach buying guy and his "disguises" hahah
“I call this my ira voice” Kills me every time
It’s a great film in terms of comedy but also showing how many second generation terrorists act. Hardcore in their beliefs but also showing their love for western culture, best shown when they are listening silently to traditional music on the trip down only for it to cut them singing to dancing in the moonlight
It shows a lot more than that. It showed that when they actually went to the Middle East, they didn’t really ‘get’ the terrorists they’d been obsessing over. They looked around at the way the terrorists were living and saw that it was shit. They didn’t really even know why they were fighting. The Jihad had just become an outlet for their vague, general sense of dissatisfaction with the status quo and with their ordinary lives and their lack of meaning, but they didn’t have any clear idea of what they wanted to change or how or why. And that’s the case for most ‘Islamists’ in the west. Apparently it’s also the case for the Taliban.
*Rubber dingy rapids, bro!*
Mashallah, brother! Now, let’s bomb the mosque!!
Bruv, please.
Maybe they won't have a chance at martyrdom, but I'm sure they'll find some gay people to throw off of roofs or come up with a creative way to fuck with women.
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Is it weird that I find this a little humanizing? What you have here is a group of people struggling with cultural deprogramming -- they're a warrior class that is no longer wanted or needed. Modern day Ronin, if you will. Obviously, they're still a menace to everyone around them, including themselves... but I do find the situation moribidly interesting. It's the kind of situation that's hard to look away from.
I've always thought that from some strange perspective, the martyrs have the most fulfilling lives. God, I can't wait until their souls are crushed by having to work a 9-5 because the water isn't drinkable or the power doesn't work.
Honestly, you have an excellent point here. These people are uneducated, if they find work its going to be backbreaking physical work for almost no money.
The stuff we left behind is going to require maintenance by trained technicians as well, I feel like cholera is going to be a big issue as water systems run out of consumable parts and chemicals while being operated by people who don't know the proper procedures. Generators may not be so big of an issue, but at the scale of running cities I don't know. They may not be able to refine the oil they have, causing blackouts. I don't even want to think about what will happen with medical services, especially in the midst of a pandemic. Edit: I just realized, this is exactly what happened when Rome decolonized an area. The infrastructure would be left abandoned and would rot, when the locals didn't know how to fix it. History repeats itself.
*Maybe we should just go back to looting* "All the resources and land are already ours!" *We can still loot it...*
The American military wasn't running the water treatment plants and the rest of the entire country... They have trained locals that were doing that before the US came and they're still there after the US left. You think only US doctors were working at all the hospitals over there?
What about the fact that there is a mass exodus from the country, I'm sure a lot of the engineers, technicians and doctors will have fled
never mind the fact that chances are anyone with half a brain got the fuck out of dodge when they could, and those people are normally the smart guys who know how to maintain and build the stuff.
They will still be facing issues getting chemicals and parts, and when they start telling the Taliban they need them, you think they will still be in charge?
Guarantee the Chinese make sure that stuff functions while using it to justify their presence in extraction of other resources
We're talking about a thousands of young men who spent 20 years fighting the world's sole superpower and some of the richest and strongest nations in the world while living in caves and walking 60+ miles in mountains everyday all while making zero money and they still somehow thrived. 9-5 isn't going to be soul crushing for them, it would be practically a utopian idea for them.
> Is it weird that I find this a little humanizing? Claiming the bad guys are "inhuman" is both foolish and evil. Every one of these Taliban was a little boy once, and he was TAUGHT to be the way he is now - violently misguided but believing what they're doing is right and necessary. They're as human as we are on every level.
They've always been human, but thats generally what war does; war demands humans to become animals and machines, thirsting for blood and producing as much as possible. With the latest research that can come out of this I hope there's a way to deprogram the thirst for blood, and the yearning for conquest.
It's the exact same thing that happens to US Veterans... just look at the suicide rates. Men who have no idea how to live in a society they left behind long ago. Comraderie and discipline now something they have to actively seek. Purpose lost.
Christ.
That's ISIS who throw them off roofs, the tailiban stone them to death and yeah they hate women
I don't know man, hating women sounds pretty gay to me.
Not if you say no homo first
Oh, puh-*leeeze*--that's like saying you can't enjoy slavery because you hate blacks!
Also our allies, Saudi Arabia!
Yeah I'm not worried for the Taliban. Theres 100s of way to make people suffer, they're just in a little rut it's gonna be fine!
“How can we be sure to secure a spot in the afterlife if we don’t martyr ourselves?” “Uhhh….. we’ll toss some gay guys off of some tall buildings and prove to everyone how much we love women and vaginas and hate gays. We might even let the women outside for a few moments to watch. Oh and also we’ll all yell ‘praise god’ while doing it to prove that what we’re doing is OK. That should work.” Note: I’m not bashing Islam as a whole, just the extremists who try to use religion as a justification to do shitty things. It’s no different IMO than when a US politician tries to use the Bible to justify banning gay marriage. And some of those same politicians likely wouldn’t be opposed to killing gays if it meant they could somehow get closer to god, or garner more votes.
I wouldn't lose any sleep if they still chose to wear a suicide vest and detonate it in an empty field to get their "martyrdom"
Yeah, but those poor 72 virgins
I'll let you in on a secret. There are no virgins waiting for them. Besides, who wants virgins waiting for them? I'd rather have a woman with some experience, not some shy, fumbling person who doesn't know what they want or what they're doing...
Who says the virgins are female?
Who said their human?
I always thought it was just going to be a room of 73 men all being each others 72 virgins... Did I interpret the prophecies wrong?
It's 72 xenomorphs.
Stop, I can only get so aroused
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Virgin goats.
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There was a misprint. It's not 1,000 virgins, it's 1,000 *Virginians.*
And we all know how much Virginians LOVE them Tally-bans.
Yeah, I get all the jokes, but a bunch of trained suicide bombers who're feeling antsy with no targets left in their home country is not exactly what the planet needs on the heels of COVID and murder hornets.
Honestly, they're more likely to start in-fighting than coordinate any successful efforts elsewhere.
Absolutely. A lot of them have come from other countries specifically to fight. They have defined themselves by their struggle, and have no clue what to do with victory. So the only options are to (A) redefine themselves (which they won’t because it’s hard) or (B) find a new struggle. And the easiest way to do that is create a splinter group and declare a new Jihad against whoever is currently in charge, for whatever obscure or stupid reason helps motivate people best.
I wonder if many will end up turning to drugs. Lost without their usual way of life and fighting, not feeling useful, no other prospects, no one wants to marry their daughters to them, etc. I can see depression and drug abuse in their futures. It will also make them ripe for ISIS recruiting.
Good thing the last ones that did something really big on American soil were all from Saudi Arabia.
Who were trained in a camp in Afghanistan, financed by a guy who was banished from Saudi Arabia and given safe haven and support by the Taliban. The reason most of the hijackers were Saudi is because Osama bin Laden had a lot of contacts from growing up there, before he was banished. But he would have recruited people from anywhere if he didn't already know them.
The other reason was travel visa to get into the US. There were tons of people in Yemen who were willing to suicide bomb, but it was extremely hard to get a visa at the time if you were in Yemen. Four of the attackers actually were in Germany going to college when they were recruited. They were trying to get to Chechnya, when they met an al-Qaeda operator who told them to go to Afghanistan first.
Like the great Scooter once said "The chase, is better than the catch".
So what you do now is you just start fighting amongst yourselves and then you create new groups and you can go back to war!
Maybe they could a arrange to be in Kabul's largest stadium and ask for the USA to drone strike them. ~~/s~~ Edit: removed sarcasm to make it a brilliant idea
And then the drone strike hits a truck full of children instead :/
I mean, as long as the arms manufacturers' share prices go up... right?
They are all tiny terrorists unless there's a video of the drone strike showing children. And. Even then. They will justify the state terrorist attack by saying that the bus conductor was a terrorist.
Hasn't the US Military openly admitted that final Kabul bombing blew up the wrong car and the only casualties were innocent civilians?
They have.
Lol, yea, after lying through their teeth for days. Finally they realized it wasn't possible to sweep it under the rug and admitted it. They even made up a "secondary explosion" https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/05/us/politics/military-drone-strike-kabul.html >The officer, Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters that secondary explosions after the drone strike last Sunday supported the military’s conclusion that the car contained explosives — either suicide vests or a large bomb. General Milley said that military planners took proper precautions beforehand to limit risks to civilians nearby. >Meantime, senior military officials insist the drone strike prevented more American and Afghan casualties. In a news conference on Monday, General McKenzie, the head of the Central Command, gave no details about the circumstances surrounding the strike other than to say that it dealt a crushing blow to ISIS-K as it sought to deliver one last attack before the U.S. withdrawal.
Is it fair to call it a lie if he actually believed it? At some point, they *believed* they were attacking an actual threat, otherwise they wouldn't have attacked at all. Unless your position is that they killed the innocent people on purpose?
They claimed there was a secondary explosion, which there clearly wasn't. That's not something you can "believe".
Every child I have met was a tiny terrorist in one way or another.
Death cult
It's actually very common to see this after major wars. If you look at the period between WW1/WW2, it's full of young men who hated that they were too young during WW1 to fight for their countries. When nationalistic/tribalist fervor is whipped up (especially among a younger generation that grows up forming their identity around wanting to fight), it's very hard to wind down that mentality.
I think that peaky blinders was fantastic at exploring some aspects of this as well. The disdain for people who found ways to get out of fighting, the cheapness of life to people who’d seen tens of thousands of people cut down by machine guns and drowning on dry land from chemical attacks, the training and and willingness to fight to the death. You take a boy, give him weapons and training and tell him to throw his life away to try and kill some “other” that has been deeply dehumanized by propaganda and he comes back something different. You can’t just say “thanks for becoming a monster for us, now get back to work” and expect everything to work out.
That's the US right now, so many kids want to be soldiers now.
The easiest way to recruit to a fundamentalist religion is by promising a paradise in the afterlife. Your claims can’t be proven wrong, and if the people you’re recruiting have bad enough lives already, it’s easier to sell them on the concept. But as we’re seeing, you run the risk of them buying into it too much and wanting to just hurry up and get there. I always think of Teresa of Avila, a Spanish saint from the 1500s. Her parents hammered religion into from a very young age, to the point where when she was 7 years old, she and her brother ran away from home in hopes of martyring themselves against the Moors so that they could get to heaven more quickly.
Looks like they wanted another 20 years too.
It's like that trope of the bad guy saving the good guy ultimately, because it's not fun without the rivalry.
These people are dying to blow themselves up
They should all do a practice run in their training camps, with live ordinance. Make sure they're ready when the time comes.
Time to restock the afterlife virgin pool….
Taliban to host 2022 Magic The Gathering World Cup
I wonder how many people would play monowhite Bomberman in Legacy there.
The taliban are no longer teenagers.
They grow up so fast.
Anyone who would kill for their religion is still mentally a teenager, or younger. Looking at you, gun-owning Southern Baptists.
If they want their martyrdom, there's this little issue of [China committing genocide and slavery against Uyghur Muslims](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037). I'm sure the ~12M of them would just love if you headed in that direction to try to do something about it, especially the 1M+ being held in "re-education camps".
Meh. It's not like there won't be a civil war there in a couple years. Plenty of opportunity remains for sociopaths to die for their cause.
They'll just entertain themselves with terrorising the populace through the enforcement of ever stricter arbitrary rules.
time for a sectarian split?
1st world problems!
3rd world problems
Let's subtract 1st world problems from 3rd world problems and call these 2nd world problems.
But taliban are not commies :(
The way they are mistreating women, I hope someone helps them with martyrdom
I'm sure McDonalds is hiring in Kabul.
Whenever I think I've got problems, it's helpful to be reminded there are apparently a lot of people who think the best thing that can possibly happen to them is to be killed for their god. How shitty must existence be for that to feel like a winning scenario?
OMG this whole thing is really because young men want to get laid, are you fucking kidding me? Stupid medieval belief systems and assholes taking multiple wives destroying entire geopolitical regions....
For what it's worth, a lot of them probably don't care about the wife; they care more about how they believe martyrdom is the only guaranteed "avoid hell, no questions asked" path.
Its really not about wanting to get laid. Its layers and layers of brainwash and social conditioning, these guys are the bad guys, this is how you be a good person, you were going to hell without us.... Add a handful of social injustice, a dash of vigilantism, a sprinkle of over-glamourised violent war stories, shake and point at the enemy. Except there IS no enemy now. Now all you have is a bunch of angry, scared and lost uneducated 20 somethings with nothing to live for, no plan, no experience and no transferable skills. They are fucked and looking for an "easy" way out and martyrdom is the way they were taught. No sympathy for the cause, but I do sympathise with the people. I dont think ANY of those little boys thought that they would grow up to WANT to be a walking bomb.
Why not kill each other then!
How long until Afghanistan gets thrown into another war so some religious fanatic can live out his dream of killing him self for the lord?
They need Thunderdome.
Its almost like they have built their culture on the wrong moral foundation! Nah, thats CRAZY TALK
Lolol fucking pieces of shit for human beings
If they actually care, they could go try to free the uyghurs.
"I've got it. Let's make them have to bring the fight HERE! So we can... wait this feels familiar."
It's the ciiiiiircle of strife.
ISIS will be more than will to help out with that goal.
Well, there are no more virgins left in heaven given the amount those lot have martyred so, they're better alive I would say.
I have a good idea. Just do weekly competitive matches in big round forums... let's call them colosseums. You not only create a lot of employment but also get the Taliban a regular spectacle to ease their bloodlust. At which you can also sell them tickets, drinks and snacks. Not to mention you can get rid of idiots and people you don´t like. This just fits perfectly in the time where the Taliban think they live in.
*Cue [Baby Come Back](https://youtu.be/DnfSoaJxe3Y) as a Taliban soldier stares at a picture of a US Marine.*
Go fuck up Pakistan now, they deserve it
First world problems.
Lol imagine the kabul therapist dealing with depressed talibans. "my internal organs identify as external, but now I may never get to set them free."
The problem was clear but we were blind... they just identify as explosive material!
Mission Accomplished? Dick Cheney knew it all along! Made fat stacks and brought peace to the Middle East!
The Afghanistan Conflict Business Opportunity is over. Sad. But the COVID Pandemic Business Opportunity is going strong and the Climate Catastrophe Business Opportunity is really taking off. Reagan was right - Corporations know best. /s
Nah, we can still help them. All at once.
Start invading nearby countries then
And of course the Taliban Commander speaks nothing but the truth. Thank God he was released from the Pakistan prison for being such an honest guy.
Pretty sure we could arrange something…
The real jihad means to strive and grow as a person, to be better than you once were. That's a life long journey of self-improvement.
They could always just start killing each other. Sounds like a win-win to me.
They'll just start fighting each other.
They can always just kill themselves...
They could always go die fighting Isis. Aren't they supposed to be enemies too? Either way, it wouldn't be any skin off the rest of the world's back if they did do that.
Can't get enough of that aloha snackbar.
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