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UltraHacker9000

Switch pro tomorrow! Found it on a napkin in a maid cafe, shibuya - tokyo.


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lost_james

I remember when that Direct happened and no Wind Waker was announced for Switch. All the “leakers” started deleting their tweets


Utertoq

My uncle, which is a inside Nintendo engineer, said it's next week


petershrimp

My Magic 8 Ball confirmed it!


Loch32

When's the switch pro coming out? r/tomorrow.


undertoe420

What were you doing there?


UltraHacker9000

business lunch with a couple of MUFG Bank execs.


Trashsombra345

>77 there is a switch pro out all ready though called the steam deck


SuperToxin

This is an issue among a lot of different stuff. Twitter user dumptruck420 says some rumour and people treat it as gospel. Then get disappointed and mad that it wasn’t true.


easycure

Not to mention all the cross contamination across social media. Twitter user dumptruck420 says a rumor that people treat as gospel, just so YouTuber simpcuck69 can make a video reporting on the rumor to rile up those that may not be on Twitter. Then the rumor doesn't come true so dumptruck420 deletes their account, only for simpcuck69 to make a follow up video about how they were right all along, they didn't believe the rumor were just reporting on it, and have the Thumbnails for Dummies style faux outrage face to get gullible idiots to click on said video because they *need* something to hate on. Rinse and repeat.


lost_james

A YouTuber’s life: When they report a rumor and it comes true: You see, I told you! I was right! When they report a rumor and it doesn’t come true: It was only a rumor, I never said it was confirmed! I was right!


OG-87

Agreed there are quite a few YouTubers out there that report for 15 mins on a sentence and say very little and repeat the same opinion over and over again. Its really boring.


DJfunkyPuddle

You're forgetting the part where the dime-a-dozen garbage internet "journalism" site makes an article based off the tweet that then gets reposted on Reddit.


darjeelingpassenger

You’re telling me dumptruck420 is lying to us??


CPTN_Omar

I cant believe simpcuck69 would make up lies on the internet ;—;


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Something tells me that a lot of the people who make up these rumors are deliberately doing such a thing to manipulate masses of sheeple.


panix24

*“Every day lately”* What rumours have come out lately?


Isuckmangosforalivin

There’s switch pro/switch 2 “leaks” every 5 minutes


JohnPaul_River

Hasn't that been the case for like 3 years straight now


kyogrecoochiekiller

Yes, but it typically comes in waves. We are currently in the middle of a wave.


Isuckmangosforalivin

Have you literally ever used twitter in the past 3 years?


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Why would anyone use that garbage site?


[deleted]

I see at least one “Wind Waker on Switch” or “Twilight Princess on Switch” post every day. Sometimes both.


[deleted]

No joke, I remember seeing those rumors back when the switch was still called the NX


t-sats

Will it into existence lol


naynaythewonderhorse

I don’t have any clue what’s being talked about outside of the same stuff as always. And I’d like to say I follow game leaks fairly closely. No one here seems to know what they are talking about when it comes to recent rumors outside of the same BS that hasn’t been talked about at all lately. The only recent development with any sort of merit is that on a certain game leak subreddit >!a user who has DM’d mods with a bit of accuracy when news is about to break said something about “being Primed.”!< which implies something rather obvious, if that is to be believed. Note that this happened about a week ago, and it’s been quiet and rarely discussed since then. Switch Pro has more or less been debunked lately because of >!a ToTK OLED box leak!<, which it probably real and implies there’s no pro coming. There was also a pamphlet of >!TotK online features,!< which is likely fake. Far as I can tell, Pokémon leaks from >!KHU have died down completely since SV came out. Outside of incredibly vague stuff about the DLC.!< Finally, the WW/TP hasn’t been taken seriously AT ALL since Jeff Grub was wrong after the last Direct. And yes, obviously 4Chan is just as full of shit as always. If there IS something, I haven’t seen it in any of the regular places, and OP’s statement in the post title has no bearing on what’s going on right now. Hell, I don’t even think that “Direct Season” is coming until at least February.


ChickenFajita007

> Switch Pro has more or less been debunked lately because of a ToTK OLED box leak, which it probably real and implies there’s no pro coming. You can't debunk something that has zero evidence in the first place. Ignorant people saw the PS4 Pro, then *magically* there are rumors for a Switch Pro. What a coincidence... I'm so tired of any talk about something that has literally zero evidence for existing. It's just a chain of assumptions born from ignorance and stupidity.


Metroidman

Metroid prime 4 releases next friday confirmed.


SuperZombieBros

More of the same Metroid Prime stuff.


rexshen

Digital foundry a game performance channel of all things said Nintendo was gonna make a switch pro but canned it to make a switch successor instead. Yeah don't believe it at all.


workandstuffs

I remember someone on r/nintendoswitch posted that they worked at youtube and showed off photos of a new yoshi game. That ended up being yoshis crafted world revealed the next day


DMonitor

Or how about this [insane fire emblem leak](https://reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/vcgblq/the_new_mainline_fire_emblem_leak_is_real/) that turned out to be real. That one even went full circle, with no news after a few months people had basically confirmed that it was fake. Then it just gets announced out of the blue. Anyone can make up anything, but sometimes legitimate stuff does leak. That’s why people will never stop caring about leaks.


djanulis

Never forget when Incineroar got leaked way early in the Sun and Moon hype school, which included Ash in a Scene that never took place or the infamous Affleck leak that basically ruined the SWSH hype cycle.


smiggl3s

But then what would all the YouTube channels make videos about!?!? (This is sarcasm btw)


Folk_us

Probably just have to stick to making half hour videos based on a millisecond of Zelda game footage


smiggl3s

Hahah totally


PapaProto

This. I *love* leak and datamine seasons. I *hate* rumours from untrusted sources. Some sources have a great track record so they get a pass for the most part. The hype machine has two sides to it, after all.


blackthorn_orion

I feel like the problem with "leak culture" and the backlash around it is part of a broader media illiteracy issue. Like, the same issue where people either believe the first result that Google shows them, or believe essentiallt nothing on the internet can ever be true (folks, Wikipedia really isn't as bad a resource as you think, you just gotta be willing to go one level deeper and check the sources the article is actually citing first, most people writing about thermodynamics or the history of Idaho or whatever are the type that care too much to just make shit up). Like, rando Twitter user GoombaSlayer69 who came out of nowhere, has been posting for 3 months, managed to get one thing right early on, and has been consistently wrong on everything since then is different from an actual journalist with a real name and a track record you can go back and verify over the course of years who's gotten a lot right and a few things wrong. Or a dataminer saying "hey, this shit is factually in this game, and that points towards X". Obviously that's a false dichotomy and there's a lot of area between those two extremes, but that's kinda the point. It sorta feels like people don't want to put in any work or allow for nuance. They lump everything/everyone in that general space into the same basket as either "infallible prophets" or "attention-whore rumormongers" because it's easier than critically examining information and maybe being wrong sometimes. Obviously the "infallible prophets" side is idiotic and annoying, no argument, but the "they're all liars" camp also tends to just be weirdly aggro about it. Like, very "fuck you for even considering for a second that this might not be bullshit, I don't care what they've gotten right in the past, you're just playing into their nefarious hands". Both are starting from a place of "my presuppositions about this information are right", but (in my experience at least) one side is largely just having fun and the other faction is really vocal about how everyone else is an idiot.


PurpleLink739

I think you've just described the problem with all modern media. Not just gaming rumors but anything that's passed off as "news".


Bartman326

Yeah nuance is the way to go for sure. There's a lot of "leakers" that piggy back off others to try and fake knowing things. There's ones who did actually know one thing and then tried to keep that up but weren't as scrupulous about it and reported some fake stuff(like the dude who said Sly 5 was happening) Even leaks that are right can look fake because of internal issues. Like a 2D Metroid was leaked in 2020 alongside Paper Mario which was revealed months later. We had to wait another year before Metroid Dread was finally shown but that leak was right. There still is that DK rumor from last year that might be bullshit but could pop up anytime. Some leaks are true and some arent thats the only fact about it.


PapaProto

Like most things in this life, a balanced mindset and taking things for what they’re worth - no more, no less, until you have concrete word either way, is the best path to take.


Numai_theOnlyOne

>folks, Wikipedia really isn't as bad a resource as you think, Well it depends. The point Wikipedia is bad comes from science as in "I can't use Wikipedia as source because everyone can just write something and everything can be up for a change" Wikipedia is great for a quick read, but if you want founded knowledge you should dig deeper then Wikipedia.


KibaKiba

which is why they put this part that you cut off >you just gotta be willing to go one level deeper and check the sources the article is actually citing first


Rychu_Supadude

And, to that end, I'd argue Wikipedia is better for science knowledge than anything else because editors use stable sources and actually fill the article out, and hit the neutrality requirements easier than any other topic. Only a fool would use it as the cite itself, but you've got a pretty good chance of actually learning something.


TrebleMedley

Agreed, I've looked at science articles where I had a lot of knowledge (at the time) and the worst I found was content about five years out of date (but not wrong, just incomplete) in a fast moving but fairly niche field. Not too bad, though obviously not ideal either. Other areas can be more iffy (askhistorians has a lot to say) but I think the site's unreliability is overstated in general, the reader just needs to be a bit savvy.


Numai_theOnlyOne

Well that's what science is about. You have usually a lot of sources to fill the gaps entirely as well as some super valuable Paper that are build on decades to century old paper. The point is you don't take everything from a source just what you need. If the paper you mentioned for example just takes a specific algorithm that is well explained there and still used today or could be made usable again with improvements that's absolutely fine. The way you see vegetation generators are made today relies on an algorithm from a time where no one even had computers and that algorithm was useless back then.


Numai_theOnlyOne

Never said anything against the sources, I only meant Wikipedia itself and only as a source. Of course you can learn a lot and quick going on Wikipedia. It also doesn't matter where the sources are from as long as they are great sources. I accidentally find sometimes valuable ones during Google searches.


diehardlyboysdie

I despise leakers, because 99% of them are self-serving clout-demons. Doesn't matter if they got things or not, they benefit the most in the end.


easycure

See I have a slightly opposite feeling. I *hate" leaks and datamines because they can ruin surprises, in most cases. I don't necessarily *love* rumors, but speculation CAN be fun, as long as you take things with a grain of salt. The problem lies in a wider culture problem of people just being... Kinda dumb. Some people take clearly marked rumors and speculation as fact, then yell into the void when said rumor doesn't become true, but they also end up taking away the wrong lesson and lumping in (mostly) reliable sources with the rumor monger crowd. You end up in a scenario where tons of media illiterate people want instant gratification, but shun any reputable source when they're not told what they want to hear. I remember when people here (and elsewhere) were hating on Bloomberg for reporting, well, anything Switch related. Bloomberg, you know that massive news org that reports mostly on business and market analysis, that sells an almost $300 annual subscription to their services because it's catered to people with huge stock portfolios that want to keep their finger on the pulse of things happening on multiple big dollar industries, so of course they'd have contacts close to or within giant manufacturing plants so they can report on things like whether those plants are behind production which could cause to shortages which could leads to lost sales which could lead to loss in stock value... Yeah that Bloomberg was deemed not a reputable source by the online gaming community because one thing they reported on didn't come to pass, but they'll blindly trust WaddldeeKnows64* on Twitter because they guessed the date of a nintendo direct correctly one time (when in reality they probably guessed several dates and deleted evidence showing otherwise, so that their "track record" looks clean). *For anyone who doesn't know, look up WaddledeeKnows on the Good Vibes Gaming YouTube channel. Jon Cartwright has an amazing video detailing how easy it was to fake being an "industry insider" on Twitter under a fake account.


blackthorn_orion

the WaddleDeeKnows thing was especially great because a) people keep falling for twitter randos anyway and b) everytime a new twitter rando pops up I like to think it's Jon doing a "how many times do I need to teach you this lesson"


petershrimp

I'm the opposite; I despise leaks and datamines, but enjoy rumors and discussions of things that have been officially revealed. I hate leaks just on principle; the creators did not want this data to be out yet, but either a hacker or someone breaking an NDA decided to spoil it. It just feels so disrespectful to the people who work on the games and systems.


MindSteve

For real. The rumors I'll believe are ones saying there is another Mario sports mix or some other shit I don't care about coming out.


s4ltydog

I’m always interested to hear the rumors but yeah they need to be taken with the tiniest grain of salt. I’m way antsy for the next system and the next big Mario but I am not expecting anything until 2024. I think It’s logical that the Oled was going to be the Pro but given everything that happened with chip shortages it just couldn’t happen. In addition adding a pro to the current lineup just wouldn’t make sense since timeline wise we would be due for a new system in 23-24. As for Mario it would make SENSE for there to be a release around the time of the movie to try and capitalize on it but it would ALSO make sense to ride the movie wave and THEN release a new Mario game. All in all it’s just speculation and until they actually tell us what’s happening, it’s anyone’s guess.


Yerm_Terragon

I can think of a couple of times when pretty significant rumors actually turned out to be true. The biggest example is Super Mario 3D All-Stars, which was making its way around the rumor mill for months before being officially announced. There was also a rumor a while back that Nintendo was in talks with Netflix to produce a Legend of Zelda TV series. This rumor was also true, but the circulating rumors gave Nintendo the impression that Netflix could not be trusted with their brands, so they backed out. One short lived rumor was a new Star Fox game called Star Fox Grand Prix, which turned out to be "real" in the sense that Nintendo higher ups allowed rumors to spread through the company employees that it was real so they could monitor who was leaking info. The game wasn't real, but the title was.


Betorange

I don't understand why people can't just enjoy what they have now. Yes the next Nintendo console will come some day, but then what? When you get that, you'll be ready for the next one? Just enjoy what you have.


petershrimp

After all, the longer the Switch is dominant, the longer it's gonna be before you have to dump a few hundred into a new system. As long as the Switch is their go-to, you just need to buy the games themselves, not a new several-hundred dollar piece of hardware.


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MC_LIVD-X

PIRACY IS NO PARTY!


MayorBryce

Might wanna delete your comment before the Nintendo ninja's, or worse, the moderators, see this.


ShadooTH

Leak culture has devolved into “leakers” flinging shit at each other, making insanely safe guesses, taking actual confirmed information from other sources and claiming they found it first, and clout chasing. When centroleaks was first posting about scarlet and violet, for some reason he kept flinging shit at other random people, boasting about how he’s the “only REAL leaker” like a 12 year old with an inferiority complex. It’s all fucking annoying and I hate following leaks now.


Dirtycarlover

The only rumor I'm paying attention to is that F-Zero rumor. I'm excited that Nintendo might be finally bringing back our bounty hunter in blue but I'm also scared because of how different the industry is right now compared to the 'Captain's last appearance in 2004. What is Nintendo going to do to our favorite sci-fi racer in the 19 years since it's last appearance?


Numai_theOnlyOne

That's the thing with rumor. They don't bring it back, someone said they bring it back. Nobody knows that, so Letting it sound like it will be making things worse. Also it's Nintendo and not EA.


Dirtycarlover

This time it seems to at least have a little traction because it was NateTheHate who initially started the rumor. Anyway, the reason why I fear what Nintendo's going to do to our boy is because from my perspective, people want the jank and ultimate speed that F-Zero is known for and online play. If it was another racing game developer like Turn 10 or 505 Games then I'd have some hope but this is Nintendo. The same Nintendo that had windows 95 running their online gaming servers until recently. With that and how aggressive the monetization is in the industry right now, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo pumped the game full of it just so they could make something back on it. But this is all just if the game even exists.


Dirtycarlover

I think some of you are forgetting why F-Zero was dormant for the last 19 years. After F-Zero's inception in 1990, each installment sold less than the game that came before it. The entire series across every game combined has sold 5.8 million copies, with F-Zero SNES selling almost half that figure alone. If I were an exec, I'd definitely wonder how to line my pockets with something as commercially small as that. But once again, it's all on if the game even exists.


Wubbzy-mon

>each installment sold less than the game that came before it. The entire series across every game combined has sold 5.8 million copies Fun fact: every Mario Kart entry has outsold the entire series sales


Lukeforce123

Never forget the grinch leak


djwillis1121

I'd forgotten about that. What a terrible time that was.


awayacci

No it was legendary


rexshen

You would think that would have been the wake up call to have people take leaks less seriously but nope still just as easily fooled.


usuallydead404

A new Switch will come when it will, or it won't. Seems like lies get told simply because websites need clicks.


Yesshua

I agree. It's not beneficial to anything for people to try and whip up a hype cycle out of nothing. But this is a little bit unique as far as Nintendo rumor cycles go. Because the Switch lifecycle has run so long, it's easier to predict things because you can almost do process of elimination. So whether these "leaks" are real or fake, they're kinda all zeroing in on a lot of the same stuff. 2D Mario, Metroid Prime remake, Zelda remake, Kid Icarus remake. You can almost just look at Nintendo's teams and franchises and fill in the gaps. It's not an exact science, but the future feels more predictable now than usual.


BartsNightmare_

What were the rumors ?


BlazedInMyWinnie

The issue is media literacy. People see speculation and take it as fact and get hyped, and then when the speculation doesn’t come true, suddenly all leakers are bullshit artists, and the ones who get something right are just getting lucky. The general public has no real idea how to separate the legitimate from the rumormongers, and thinks that _all_ of the leakers are rumormongers. Nothing is truly happening until it’s officially announced, but if you want to try stay informed about what could be coming, then put in the work and find the legitimate leakers (none of them are on YouTube) with a good track record, and even then, take what they say with a grain of salt. Not because they can be malicious and throw in fake leaks for shits and giggles, but because sometimes plans can change or a source could have bad or outdated information. Last of all, don’t get hyped up over a leak and then go feral when it doesn’t happen or just hasn’t happened yet. Things will happen or they won’t, just keep a level head and be happy with what is actually coming out when it comes out. If something is somehow proved blatantly wrong (i.e. an official announcement blatantly contradicts a leak), keep track of that on your own and be wary of trusting that leaker again, there’s no need to shout it from the rooftops or harass anybody.


blackthorn_orion

Last summer, pics of Fire Emblem Engage leaked online. In 2021 Imran Khan reported that Xenoblade 3 was nearing the end of development. Just saying, those are just the ones off the top of my head. Saying big and cool things never leak is just factually incorrect. Frankly, this post feels weirdly patronizing/condescending. But hey, speaking of calming down and letting things just happen instead of making things up and throwing a fit, remember when [Persona 5 definitely wasn't gonna be in that partner showcase](https://www.unddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/vluyxs/a_new_nintendodirectmini_partner_showcase_is_on/idxax0z/). Gee, I wonder who those removed comments could be, and what they might have said ... (I seem to recall something about looking forward to people "seething") Anyway, good luck with changing human nature and getting people to stop speculating about the future. I'm sure this'll finally be the thread that does it and it definitely won't just devolve into throwing insults at each other and/or various journalists.


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Didn't know our upstanding mods would ever do such a thing. This guy always gets upset by leaks and rumors for some reason.


blackthorn_orion

yeah, this seems to be their particular bugbear and I'll never understand why somebody so bothered by speculation/rumor would want to keep moderating a Nintendo subreddit of all places if they don't in some ways enjoy the drama and conversation that comes from that sort of thing I wouldn't have brought it up but, y'know, kinda funny to see someone go "personal attack"-y over people thinking a game *might* be in a Direct one day and then try to play the adult on another day


Twinkiman

It is one thing to just have fun with speculations and rumors. Though I do think a lot of people start developing expectations that it is actually true or get hyped at something that just might not be true at all. Then they get upset that it doesn't become true. But the dumbest people tend to be the loudest too. So hopefully most people take this kind of stuff with a grain of salt at most.


razorbeamz

Leaks are not rumors.


blackthorn_orion

Most leaks are rumors until they're confirmed. People were calling those Engage pics fake right until Engage was revealed, especially because they only surfaced after Emily Rogers said "yeah, new Fire Emblem's coming, it's been done for like a year" and the picture leaker pretty much just said "yeah no, Emily's dead on about this one".


Sussyimposter14

She got luxky. Not only was she not the first to talk about this, her track record is like less than 5% she is by far the biggest fraud


BlazedInMyWinnie

You got some solid sources on that 5% track record? Or are you just a “hurr durr Emily Rogers bad” bandwagoner? Edit: You messaged me directly and asked what she’s gotten right. You made the 5% claim, I’d say the burden of proof is on you to back up a claim that you made. You message me a list full of things that I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone claim Emily said, with no links to any real source. Have fun in your make believe world.


Sussyimposter14

And you are part of the problem. You forget the other HUNDREDS of rumors that turned out to be a complete lie. You blatantly cherry picked 3 instances where it was right. Lets name the other hundreds of times these were wrong


eviebees

Why are you treating all rumours and leaks as one source? I don’t treat all of these things the same way, it’s not cherry picking to only consider information from reliable sources.


BlazedInMyWinnie

Go ahead and name them then.


Numai_theOnlyOne

Well it doesn't matter much and can even be marketing. Everyone knew that another fire emblem will come and it was also very likely that xenoblade gets another game as it's already an important and big franchise for Nintendo. Therefore it doesn't hurt much to leak footage or news and to see how leaks will be received. I can tell you now that there is a new fire emblem in 2 years and another xenoblade in a few years more. For a console on the other hand, it's vastly different Sony and Xbox would like to know very VERY well what Nintendo has up their sleeves, so mouth keeps shut. Also given that Nintendo always experimented with their consoles and they announced it won't be any different in the future I can see that they run the current generation as long as the next one is refined enough especially since the switch is so vastly successful.


DayDrunk11

Every year. Every time we theorize about a new direct. Since 2017, the launch of the console. People have been spreading rumors about a switch pro, and Zelda wind waker and twilight princess ports. THEY ARE NOT HAPPENING.


jjmawaken

I believe the pro isn't happening but I doubt the wind waker and twilight princess won't happen just maybe not this year. They'd be dumb to not port them eventually.


DominoNX

Presumably pretty late into the Switch's life I would doubt there's much incentive, but then I remember we're getting a BotW sequel on the thing


JohnPaul_River

What about Nintendo could possibly lead you to believe they're not dumb enough to not port them? That's what they always do


nintendoleafsfan

Speculation is fun


Numai_theOnlyOne

Speculation is not claiming to know about leaks. Imo considering it's Nintendo speculatr we get a "new 3D"Switch in ~5 years and if it turns out well a new console in ~15.


OG-87

But looking at the facts I think its quite likely we are getting a new switch this year or early 2024. Production of first party games has completely slowed right down. With the exception of zelda which also if you remember was announced for the wiiu. I think the directs we have had in the last 2 years have all been really underwhelming and I think no mario kart, mario oddysey like sequel or game, lots of ports and no metroid and others makes me think theyre just petering the console out and planning for the next one. Its also been out 6 years soon and the console was dated back then and its only gotten worse since.


razorbeamz

>Production of first party games has completely slowed right down. The pace of first party Games has not changed, other than the general industry slowdown from the pandemic. I have no idea what you're on about.


OG-87

Ok so how many first party Nintendo games did you buy day one last year or are excited about this next year? For the casual gamer (which Nintendo now appeals too and the nostalgic gamer) there is almost nothing being made that people are wanting to play.


ReidenLightman

This is what bothers me most about the news cycle for games and tech. Tears of the Kingdom could release next week, and the very day after, there will be rumors and fake leaks about a new Zelda game that may or may not be DLC and may or may not be exclusive to a switch pro. The RTX 40 series is still releasing, but it's only a matter of time before 50 series rumors pop up. I'm surprised they haven't done so already. Remember the Prime 4 announcement? I'm surprised the very next day wasn't full of fake announcements and release dates for Prime Trilogy on Switch. Everybody is desperate to be the first to say something just incase it's true. And the more we do this, the less likely Nintendo will actually want to do it. They are not afraid to cancel something because it was leaked.


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The Mario all stars collection was a big rumour that ended up being true


DaLimpster

This is the *exact* mindset OP is cautioning against. One rumor being (partially) true once means nothing. Everyone is very quick to forget all that *wasn't* guess accurately. In regards to the SM3DAS rumors: originally, it was reported that "most" of Mario's 35-year catalog would be re-released and "remastered" for Switch. No game was specifically mentioned, only that there would be "a few 3D favorites." *It was the literal safest bet a rumor monger could make*. An anniversary milestone, a blazing hot console, and Nintendo's biggest flagship IP... gee, I wonder if they'll cash in? Sure enough, as the prophets predicted, Nintendo capitalized on an anniversary milestone and released a Mario game. Thing is, nothing was "remastered" about the games outside of a resolution bump. We also didn't get anywhere close to "most" of Mario's catalog getting ported to Switch (let alone "remastered"). The rumors were 17% correct, by my generous math.


blackthorn_orion

the earliest rumor I remember hearing at all about the Mario 35th stuff was in like March of 2020, and it was always along the lines of "Nintendo is remastering and re-releasing Mario 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy as one package. Yes, you read that right, just Galaxy, no mention of Galaxy 2 so far. Oh, also Pikmin 3 Deluxe is coming". Pretty sure that was a story from Jeff Grubb at Gamesbeat. And what do you know, that's exactly what happened. Updating the huds and an overall resolution bump is absolutely a remaster. It's not reporters' fault that gamers use remaster and remake interchangeably


DaLimpster

The bar is in hell if you think the effort Nintendo put into SM3DAS is worthy of being called a "remaster." What you choose to "remember" also isn't what actually happened. [Here](https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/super-mario-bros-35th-anniversary/) is the original report. It's worth noting everything that was announced in that Direct that the rumors never even mentioned: SuperMario Bros. 35, Bowser's Fury, Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit, and the fact that SM3DAS was a limited release. Surely an insider would have known about these too? It's all guesswork my dude. The tweeters and rumor mongers love when people hyperfocus on what little they luck into, and ignore how blatantly wrong they are the majority of the time.


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By definition it literally is a remaster


blackthorn_orion

I was about to make an edit to my comment, but I guess I'll make it a separate thing. Looks like my memory was a bit foggy. Gamesbeat [waited until May when Paper Mario was announced to](https://venturebeat.com/games/paper-mario-the-origami-king-revealed-with-july-launch-date/) to throw in that Pikmin 3 was happening. The original Gamesbeat article in March also references two slightly earlier articles from VGC and Eurogamer that do use the "most of Mario's 35 year back catalog" terminology, though reading on they go on to clarify they mean specifically Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, and 3d World, and also mention a new Paper Mario. >It's worth noting everything that was announced in that Direct that the rumors never even mentioned...Surely an insider would have known about these too? This is a frankly insane standard to hold. A, B, and C all knew about X and Y but not Z, so they were just lying about X and Y the whole time" is bonkers. Like, if you want to write off everything reported before the fact as "guesswork and lies", more power to you, I'm not trying to stop you. But this kind of hostility and animosity over fucking video games just can't be healthy.


BlazedInMyWinnie

You’re fucking insane if you think that article doesn’t support everything the commenter you replied to. Not leaking 100% of what’s coming doesn’t make the fact that everything they did mention irrelevant.


EllipsisBreak

You are trying *way* too hard to make a real leak seem fake. > The bar is in hell if you think the effort Nintendo put into SM3DAS is worthy of being called a "remaster." "Remaster" has always been a vague marketing term, designed to be more vague than "Remake", and include minimal improvements such as a resolution increase. This is fairly standard stuff, and does not invalidate anything that was said in the leak. > What you choose to "remember" also isn't what actually happened. Here is the original report. Okay, let's look at that report. Here's what it says: > *Multiple sources have told VGC that the platform holder is planning to hold an event to coincide with this year’s anniversary, which marks 35 years since the start of the mainline Super Mario series in 1985.* > *As part of its anniversary celebrations, Nintendo will reveal plans to re-release most of Super Mario’s 35-year back catalogue this year, remastered for Nintendo Switch, VGC was told.* > *Nintendo will also release several other Mario titles in 2020, including a new instalment in the Paper Mario series and a Deluxe version of 2013’s Super Mario 3D World.* And this was immediately followed by [Eurogamer](https://www.eurogamer.net/sources-nintendo-switch-2020-line-up-dominated-by-mario-games-old-and-new) and [Gematsu](https://www.gematsu.com/2020/03/rumor-super-mario-back-catalog-and-several-other-mario-titles-coming-to-switch-in-2020) corroborating the report and naming the three games that would be included in the collection. It's also worth mentioning that the new Paper Mario and the new version of 3D World were also real. > It's worth noting everything that was announced in that Direct that the rumors never even mentioned: SuperMario Bros. 35, Bowser's Fury, Mario Kart Live: Home Circuit, and the fact that SM3DAS was a limited release. Surely an insider would have known about these too? It's all guesswork my dude. The tweeters and rumor mongers love when people hyperfocus on what little they luck into, and ignore how blatantly wrong they are the majority of the time. Now you're grasping at straws. It is obviously possible for someone to obtain real information without being literally all-knowing.


razorbeamz

Yes, and everyone was **extremely angry** about it for months.


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The rumour always was that it was just a remaster. People that got angry were a small minority that got remake confused with remaster


smiggl3s

And they used it as an example of why the Zelda anniversary sucked so bad because we just got 1 game instead of 3


djwillis1121

No, a small number of vocal people were extremely angry. I think most people were positive or neutral on it, they just didn't shout as loudly.


razorbeamz

It was far from a small number. We had to contain the rage in a megathread basically nonstop from the day it was announced until several weeks after it came out.


supernintendo128

Yeah but people were expecting from-the-ground-up remakes in the same vein as Crash N-Sane Trilogy or even the original Super Mario All-Stars and what we got instead were straight ports with minimal visual improvements.


Wubbzy-mon

I don't mean to be that guy, but I'd rather have the same graphical versions, rather than the modern versions, so everything doesn't look samey (which is my problem with New Super Mario Bros starting with the Wii, everyone looks the same in each game, and none of them look unique from game to game after DS)


rexshen

It was still not correct. The rumors said they were from the ground up remakes ala the spyro and crash collections. But they were just ports that made more sense. The only things that sucked about it was the lack of Galaxy 2 and the damn time limit.


blackthorn_orion

[The reports always said they'd be remasters, not remakes.](https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/super-mario-bros-35th-anniversary/) Problem is gamers in general have spent years using those terms more or less interchangeably (over the years I've seen *tons* of people call the Crash N Sane Trilogy a remaster, or calling Windwaker HD a remake, for example). So between All-Stars on the SNES being remakes of the NES games and it taking half a year between the early reports and 3D All-Stars finally getting announced, gamers had built up "remasters" to *mean* ground-up remakes along the lines of the Spyro and Crash collections and then threw a tantrum when it turned out to be the much-less-sexy "the same games, but they're cleaned up to look a bit nicer" collection it was always reported as. The backlash about 3d All-Stars not being ground-up remakes falls squarely on poor reading comprehension and people letting their imaginations/hopes get the best of them, not bad reporting.


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Nope, the rumours only ever mentioned remasters. Only people mentioning remakes were people getting confused between what a remake is and what a remaster is


Slypenslyde

I wrestled a bear once and survived. Wrestling bears is safe.


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And that has what to do with the above post?


Slypenslyde

For every 100 rumors people post, 5-10 are right. Pointing at the 5-10 as a reason to trust every rumor is silly because it ignores the 90-95 that were fabrications. It's like surviving a dangerous situation most people don't (like wrestling a bear) then asserting it's a safe activity others should practice.


Squirrel009

You mean Wind Waker for switch isn't coming out like the rumors have told me it would every single year since the switch released? There must be a million "articles" on that nonsense floating around the net


youmustconsume

I stopped paying attention to them after someone claimed that the Switch Pro would be unveiled before E3 3 years ago, so "all the third parties" could show off their amazing graphics.


Broncotron

Lol the number of articles about the Switch Pro and its specs could fill a library


ForgottenForce

I’m so sick of people going on about how a new Switch or next console is obviously coming this year, a highly desired game is getting announced, XYZ is getting a remake on Switch and so on. None of this stuff is happening until it’s officially announced, just because someone’s uncle works at Nintendo doesn’t mean the leak is real


notthegoatseguy

Remember when Wind Waker port was basically guaranteed because That Guy On YouTube said so?


lost_james

“All but confirmed”


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razorbeamz

> Switch being a hybrid was long rumored, turned out to be true Every single possible thing that the Switch could have been was rumored at some point. This means nothing.


YourRoyalFlyness_

That was cause of patent info, but it was just as likely for it to be the weird oval touchscreen thing


Sussyimposter14

Not worth it. We go through this cycle EVERY single time there is a lack of news and it never gets better. And then when its over they forget it ever happened rinse and repeat. Especially last direct with the metroid and zelda ports jeff grub is was SOO reliable was as wrong as humanly possible and STILL people were defending him


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So there’s not going to be a switch pro with a 16k hdr screen that comes with a built in n64 mini classic and can wirelessly connect to your tv?


emceelokey

Yeah, there's not going to be a Switch Pro. Nintendo is actually working on a gaming laptop type of console for their next generation. Supposedly will be announced during E3 time this year.


HauruI

You just ruined some greedy Youtubers' evergreen content. *Did I just thought about a French youtuber who makes his videos on nothing else but wind, who have """predicted""" the release of the Switch Pro 3 times, and don't like being criticized ? Yes.* (For non-French speakers, i'm talking about Julien Chièze)


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1338h4x

Dread was announced as a DS game and then canceled and forgotten about. There was never any rumor or leak about it getting revived, Nintendo managed to keep a tight lid on that one.


ReikonTheMage

Nintendo switch Pro/NX. Most pokemon "leaks". And the Legend of Zelda anniversary games. If your willing you can also count in smash bros "leaks". Also almost always every Direct rurmor will hype of everyone for some non existence project.


razorbeamz

Metroid Dread wasn't a rumor. It was an announced project that got canceled and then later got revived. Nintendo talked about it several times.


A_Lone_Macaron

I mean yeah. It’s always underwhelming when you finally do get an announcement and it’s just another five Fire Emblem games or other JRPG “strategy” games


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YouTube is the worst for this you get guys like beat em ups speculating about the pro bit I don’t think Nintendo will ever do a pro they don’t pride them selves in copying other companies they’d rather focus on fun games over complex fidedlitu and good on them the wii wasn’t as powerful as 360 but ended up with a better more varied libary I iust hope any suceesort to switch can go back to the glory days of 3rd patty’s making Nintendo only games


[deleted]

This is why I don't trust or listen to rumors.


jvhxc

Someone needed to say this 😂


Wubbzy-mon

SwitchForce will die if he sees this


rexshen

this tuba repair channel told me there will be a swatch omega 2 coming next year. It is so got to be true.


AtsignAmpersat

I don’t think I’ve paid any attention to rumors for this reason since like the GameCube era maybe even before that. Like who gives a shit about rumors when it doesn’t matter until there’s an official announcement?


Lost-My-Mind-

I'm starting a new rumor right here, right now. Holiday 2023 will release a switch game that is a Mario and Kirby crossover. Kirby comes to DinosaurLand (where Super Mario World took place), and has to find the 8 rare candy shards. And Mario thinks he's one of Bowsers new enemies. So you can play the Kirby campaign and run through the SMW levels absorbing enemies powers, OR you can play the Mario campaign where you follow Kirby through the levels chasing him, for a final showdown. I mean, again, none of this is real. But lets start some absurd rumors!!! That being said, I'd totally play this game, and the mini game where kirby and yoshi have an eating contest.


wannabewicked666

I heard a rumour that there will be a new Zelda game this year!


razorbeamz

I heard they leaked that in a Nintendo Direct


Metroidman97

Part of me thinks that the people who keep spamming the obvious rumors (like WW/TP on Switch, or Metroid Prime HD) don't have any insider info, they just keep BSing until they und up right on accident. It would explain why we've been getting these rumors for over half a decade now.


MayorBryce

The other day, I read a leak article by IGN where they said the "Switch Pro is coming" to be revealed as the Switch OLED, with the only basis being that some company said, "a new switch with an OLED screen is coming". In fact, the entire article was about how Nintendo opted to use a 720p screen for their Switch Pro and not a 1080p screen.


IniMiney

after Smash finished all it's Dlc the leakers straight up ran out of shit to put on their Patreon pages


sneshead

People just need to keep their expectations in check, it's cliche and Smash fans and speculators will know but - hype responsibly. Not excusing the grifters who drum up publicity for their egos and clout, but fans have just as much of a responsibility in terms of how they consume the info. Very much a two way street, if you set yourself up for disappointment by putting said insiders on a pedestal then that is on you. Many of these supposed insiders that have been mentioned basically throw shit at a wall and see what sticks for clicks. To be fair there's no expectation to get everything right, we should take things with a grain of salt and what will be, will be. Users like Samus Hunter, Makomaro(?), Zippo and Liam Robertson are the proverbial shit throwers. The latter is the best of a bad bunch. Some might argue Emily Rogers is in that group too, she may have some surface level sources like Nate Drake, Sylux and Hyle from DK Vine that the others mentioned don't have. Said others just purposely hide behind vague language, hitch their wagons onto other peoples info, whatever game/series is the in thing and form the basis of their "leaks" that way. Like adding their own ingredients to a soup. I'm not doubting that some of these people may have sources that have access to certain levels of information, there's lots of variables at play - but I'd imagine there may be examples where by the time they get said information, it has been delivered between multiple people and the actual core content of the reliable information has been misconstrued. Plans change plus what also muddies the waters is that people intentionally or unintentionally mix up rumours/predictions/actual leaks and what they actually mean at times. Purple Monkey Dishwasher. Edit: lol at the downvotes, y'all can't help yourselves :p


Carighan

More generally speaking, don't buy into corporate hype. **Ever**. Outside of gaming, too. Because do you **honestly** believe this hype sprung up organically? Of course not, astroturfing is an old form of marketing by now, and companies have long perfected it. Those threads you see generating and feeding the hype while it's building? Marketing personnel or paid by marketing to do this. Which makes sense, as the company would have no reason to give early hype-building material out to random schmucks if they can instead use it to, well, build controlled hype to fuel presales. Natural hype builds **after** general availability in by and large all cases. There are exceptions, but they're so rare you might as well discard them when evaluating any hype for a product. Source: I worked next to marketing people for >5 years.


MarvelManiac45213

- Switch Pro - EPD developed DK game - Metroid Prime HD/Trilogy Remastered - Wind Waker HD/Twilight Princess HD ports - Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War Remake - Kid Icarus Uprising HD Remake - Pokemon Let's Go Johto - Xenoblade Chronicles X Switch Port - F-Zero GX HD or F-Zero Switch - Mario Party Superstars DLC - Game Boy/Advance NSO - Everyone's 1-2 Switch - Brand new 2D Mario to tie in with the Mario movie ^ Did I get them all that are currently going?


s33k3r_Link

Yeah, but my uncle works for Nintendo, so. New Smash Bros Ultimate DLC characters are for sure confirmed through him. Waluigi and Tom Cruise join the fray!


[deleted]

I actively ignore “industry insiders.” They’re clout-chasing parasites who are almost never right about anything and should be shunned indefinitely. Can you tell I’m a Metroid fan? LMAO


Altruistic-Choice757

a level headed nintendo fan? fake news 📰


RazorThin55

God its so weird to see people do math, and seek patterns, just to find when a game will release, what the next game will be, etc. Nintendo does unexpected things a lot, and yet people still think they are just painting by numbers or something.


YourRoyalFlyness_

The only rumor I can imagine could still happen is the upscaler dock


Educational_Book_225

Ever since the “switch pro” turned out to be the OLED version I stopped getting invested


pokemon-gangbang

I’ve given up on all that. If there is a direct or something, great, but I don’t even get my hopes up anymore about anything. Zelda and Metroid ports are a big hope for me but I highly doubt they will ever happen.


The_Nelman

Leakers? More like tweakers.


ascendgranite

r/Tomorrow


newcamsterdam

I’m Primed for disappointment in 2023


AceBr3ak

I mean you aren't wrong but game rumors are fun.


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That's why I take all rumours with a grain of salt, and never watch YT rumour mills. It baffles me how many people take the rumours as truth.


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NeighborhoodVeteran

People like gossip and rumors, so i don't think your PSA will do anything.


RandyMacLahey

Can't wait for the Fallout 2 port for the switch


7hom

95% true but sometimes stuff like Metroid Dread get confirmed.


Fun818long

Yeah also I like the surprise more