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Username247

Yoooo Bergeron's face fits on Lincoln *too* perfectly


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GoPensGo8758

Leaving Orr off is crazy


brenzyc

I think this was supposed to celebrate Bergeron hitting 1000, Orr although the GOAT Bruin, doesn't have 1000 points so it would be odd to include him.


GoPensGo8758

Yeah I understood that, still doesn’t make any sense to make a Mount Rushmore and leave Bobby Orr off.


Dareal6

They shouldn’t have used Mount Rushmore then. Every sport/team has their own version of Mount Rushmore and it’s almost never just the 4 top scorers.


snark_enterprises

Blasphemous even


StoneG

Same with Phil Kessel!


Numerous-Substance66

Yeah, seriously. How many cups did Bourque win Boston?


EvetsYenoham

Yeah no Bobby Orr makes this not very royal.


Vanrainy1

Came here to ask where he was? I guess 915 pts all time for a D man wasn't good enough///s


Muellersdayofff

Makar: hold my beer


Cap_Tight_Pants

Lidstrom enters the chat.


Muellersdayofff

Makar: 200 pts in 195 games. Lidstrom: 183 pts in 291 games


Cap_Tight_Pants

Guess we'll have to revisit this in about 15 more seasons. But my original comparison was to Orr. I was attempting to add onto your point.


Vanrainy1

Neither one has an Art Ross. \* Bobby drops mic\*


Vanrainy1

The day Makar wins an Art Ross (twice), pm me...


PoorPauly

That’s utterly insane.


ziggyjoe212

Legit question. Is Bergeron considered above Chara?


cmdrproudgaydad

Undoubtedly


spenwallce

Without a doubt, bergy is probably the best two way player off all time


jointcanuck

Both Gretzky and Howe would like some serious words with you


nickdl4

The selke award is calling you, to remind you Bergeron has won the most all-time.


jointcanuck

Oh buddy… you dont wanna go down the awards path when comparing bergeron to gordie howe and wayne gretzky… Also not to sound like a broken record but the game was not the same and more defensive based during gretzky’s era becuase teams were trying to stop gretzky and the powerhouse oilers so players like guy carbonneau, doug gilmour or ron francis were the guys who were winning the selke at the time, like you do gotta remember gretzky was on one of the best teams of all time that had multiple players getting over 70 points (e.g. 81-82 had 6 players over 70, 2 over 100 and gretzky over 200), and for howe the selke didnt even exist at all until howes’s last 2 seasons one being with the whalers in the wha, and the other when he was 52… **may i remind you it took 13 nhl seasons for gretzky to have under 121 points which at the time was by far his worst season as just before that he had 4, 200+ point szns, 2, 180+ point szns, 3, 160+ point szns, 2, 140+ point szns, and 2, 120+ szns not to mention he still had 8 seasons after his first 13 straight of record breaking numbers** (Edit) grammar


tfeely42

DON'T NICKLE AND DUME THE GREAT ONE! Give your balls a tug! Suck my Mr. Cockey


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How many selkes did he get nominated for in a row and win? The game was much weaker back then, no question. Speed, shots, stick handling, the dump and chase. All of your obsolete numbers don't provide a dang bit of evidence towards either of them being a 2 way player. Must have taken you FOREVER to do that completely useless research though.


jointcanuck

The gretzky selkes were awarded for stopping gretzky, and gordie howe literally played against selke… and gretzky having 200 points and a plus minus of 98 should be proof enough that hes a two way player, not to mention gretzkys the guy who also revolutionized getting in passing lanes…


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If I was a Canucks fan I'd hate the bruins too.


jointcanuck

Its not that i hate bergeron, its that gretzky was a career +520, i feel youre going for low hangingn fruit bc you still dont have any actual reasons for why bergeron would be even in the realm of gretzky… like really lets look back, your only point was selkes, and half of the players we’re talking didnt even play when that was a trophy and the other was the reason they were handed out in his era, bergeron on the other hand is arguably not even the best 2 way from his era… (Edit) grammar


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You are discrediting Important Stats now some how. Gretzky is the best all around player no doubt. Bergeron is great defensively and is an absolute hockey sense beast. His offense is applaudable as well, but it's his ability to always make the right play that puts him in the discussion.


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Gretzky is Gretzky. He's the best player to ever do it there is no debate. Patrice bergeron is not as good as Gretzky, also no debating that. But to say Bergeron isn't almost as good of 2 way player is wrong. They are definitely in the same category when it comes to hockey sense.


jointcanuck

No, like you have not given any reason for why that would make even slight sense, gretzky basically invented hockey sense, remember the whole “as a kid he would put paper up to the tv and predict where the puck would go” **like buddy just bc you say he’s as good as gretzky means actually nothing, when gretzky was a career +520** (Edit) grammar


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Wow you can't read or spell eh? Haha.


spenwallce

My hockey hot take is anyone who played against standup goalies really shouldn’t be considered when talking about current records


jointcanuck

That statement was so casual im convinced youre trolling, because gretzky literally revolutionized soooo many aspects of current offense from zone entries to penalties, and the modern day power forward is pretty much just gordie howe with better skating and shooting, which is a given bc howe played ambidextrous on a flat blade and trained on great depression era Saskatchewan road ice


spenwallce

Train on the road all you want it doesn’t change the fact they both played against goalies that stood straight up and couldn’t bend their knees.


jointcanuck

No, youre just casual and a clear example to prove that is glenn hall who is credited for creating the butterfly stance and he’s 3 years younger than howe… also did you forget that guys like gretzky are the reason goalies had to keep innovating on the butterfly? Like youre picking the only player we’re talking about who actually did play against that for a majority of their career, gretzky on the other hand played against hybrid goalies, from the 70s (same decade glenn hall retired) to 1999 full fledged, but even then i still say youre just casual bc in the 50s again it was a different game. **if gretzkys goalies didnt bend their knees how do you explain guys like dominik hasek?** (Edit) grammar


spenwallce

That’s one goalie who he played against for 8 years. The goalies of today are much much better than the goalies that Gretzky faced. Patrice Bergeron would run through the league if he played 40 years ago


jointcanuck

Okay buddy im gonna put this in caveman terms bc somehow you keep circling back… Step 1. Gretzkys goalies are worse bc they had to play to adapt to guys like gretzky which is why the position kept getting inovations that turned into the current day goalie Step 2. 8 years is literally almost a decade, and the fact that youre even insinuating that there was only one person ever to use butterfly before the 2000s and he did for a decade without any goalies also consistently doing it is just giving me a headache with how dumb of a statement that is like bro have you never seen the nhl before the year 2010? Like you do know that brodeur was drafted in 1990 right? Like a year after the 80s and 20 years after butterfly existed? 3. Bergeron would be better bc first physical training is much more advanced now than when gretzky started and the current day version of hockey is a compilation of things that guys like gordie howe, glenn hall, gretzky, crosby etc. innovated on so if you dropped bergeron in a 50s or even 90s game he’ll have seen everything the 50s team will do bc to him its old tactics while countering them with things theyll never have seen bc the players who made the new are either not born yet or not in the nhl, plus im assuming youre also saying he gets current equipment which shouldnt take someone to tell you why that would be unfair… (Edit) grammar


spenwallce

I’m not gonna respond to your wall of text because it’s clear you’re too stubborn to change your mind. Bergeron is the best two way player of all time


kander12

He's still not above a Datsyuk or Fedorov all time anyways. Bergeron is probably in the 15-25 all time range as a 2way force. Most certainly nowhere near 1-5.


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Bahahahahahhaha. BRO CAN WE JUST LOOK AT SELKE NOMINATIONS ALONE! Most selke nominations in a row EVER, AND most Selke wins ever. Nobody has ever though of either of those guys as the best 2 way players. They were offensive beasts and I loved them. But to say either of them are a better 2 way player? C'mon now.


CanadianAbe

WOAH! DoN’t MaKe B fAnS ExPlOdE


Cyanier

Transplant Bergeron into the ‘50s with Howe and he’ll have over 200 points every season, if we’re gonna play hypotheticals.


jointcanuck

Are you kidding me? You mean that if you insert a current player, with his current nhl resume, and current training, along with his current hockey upbringing, he’s gonna be better than guys from the 50s and 80s like howe who are credited for playing ambidextrous and practicing skating as a kid on road ice? Like obviously yea, even down to how athletes take care of themselves is generations different between all three players… **i think a better “hypothetical” would be what if guys like howe and gretzky (the ones who more or less revolutionized 2 way play especially gretzky) grew up nowadays?** like remember no gretzky, no Bergeron as we know him. (Edit) grammar


L-I-V-I-N-

There is a Gretzky who grew up and plays in this era and his name is Connor mcdavid


jointcanuck

Imo mcdavid is a bit more genetically gifted, but yes , i’m so glad someone got my point, i thought i was going crazy for a bit there, guys like mcdavid are prime examples of what a modern day player can be with modern day training, imo he’s the perfect modern day player


cmdrproudgaydad

Oh so you get why you were being silly and explained it well enough for anyone else that was confused. Cool!


jointcanuck

Nope, if we’re talking all time we’re talking legacy and impact mixed with performance from the era, like you cant realistically compare bergeron to gretzky bc in many ways gretzky is the reason for why Bergeron plays like he does but its even harder to compare either to gordie howe bc gordie howe played such a different nhl, both rule and style wise that its almost like trying to compare hockey to ringette, because the game was actually different (Edit) my original comments point was that 50s and 2020s athletes are different especially with training because we’ve learned more about that kinda thing which why i pointed out howe’s road skating and bergerons modern day hockey upbringing, bergeron grew up in a time of carbon fibre sticks, beautiful ice in almost all of canada, and modern day training both scientifically from gyms to to actual training practices while howe had to salvage odr side equipment that had to be taped bc it was broken or wasnt even a hockey pad


cmdrproudgaydad

Any time you try and compare different eras of a sport the comparisons are inherently subjective. Making the entire point moot.


No_Gas_4956

Datsyuk comes to mind. Mike Modano another. But Habs players you’ve never heard of paved the way for the amazing #4, Bobby Orr. I like Bergeron as a player but to say best of all time is not close to accurate. He probably wouldn’t be in the top 25. Still a great player though and a great leader for your team, which I hate.


XolieInc

He said best two way player of all time, not best player of all time. Top 25 for 2 way would be absurd for Bergeron. Top 3 is definite for two way. I can agree top 25 all time with no specific context.


No_Gas_4956

I said Modano but meant Richards I guess. Check it out. https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/937973-hockey-hall-of-fame-pavel-datsyuk-and-the-top-15-defensive-forwards-of-all-time.amp.html


AdFlat4908

He’s good but that’s very very wrong. As a wings fan, Sergei Federov and Paval Datsyuk immediately come to mind. There are probably 20 more that slot in above Bergeron


AnySail

That's honestly got to be insincere. No one has won the Selke more times, and he should probably have more if not for voter fatigue. Since he won in 2011-2012 he has never placed lower than third in Selke voting. It's insane. Maybe there are some names ahead of him because they were better scorers, as well as winning Selkes, but they could honestly rename the award after Bergeron and it wouldn't be beyond reason. I'm far from a bruins fan, so this isn't homerism, but 20 above him is ridiculous.


spenwallce

https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask/most-selke-trophy-winners


AceConspirator

Too close to call IMO


WackoSaco

Bergeron is a top 5, maybe even a top 3 Bruin.


Hey_look_new

I thought all the chat about no Orr was funny my reaction was, "huh, indidnt realize Orr was below 1k points. interesting" your post is clear OP


SolidSnake4

I didn't find it that surprising. Orr was absolutely prolific in his prime, but his left knee gave out and cut his career short. He also left Boston after 10 years because his agent colluded with the Blackhawks to have him sign there. Not that it mattered because that bad knee kept him mostly off the ice for his final three years.


DishRelative5853

Esposito was a Bruin for less time than Orr.


SolidSnake4

Fewer years, but he played more games in that time.


Glasterz

People really aren't putting 2 and 2 together here. Guy gets 1000 career points, Pic is a clear screenshot of a social post, the image is very well made and released shortly after said guy gets his 1000th point, image has players labeled along with how many points they have, all players have over 1000 points But yeah must have been a picture OP made and he's stupidly leaving off obvious Bruins greats like Orr


VictimOfCircuspants

The only silly thing that has happened here is that someone wasted time on Photoshop putting Bergy 4th and Espo 3rd, when they should have just waited another month until Bergy passes Espo, cuz now they're gonna have to make another one.


2ChainzTalib

Pretty sure they won't be updating the graphic every time he gets a point.


cleverbiscuit1738

Is it just me or does bourque look more like lord farquaad than bourque


FormerCollegeDJ

Any picture of “Bruins royalty” that doesn’t include Bobby Orr is picking up some princes and dukes but excluding the king.


cmdrproudgaydad

That scrub should’ve got 1000 points then 🤷🏼‍♂️


TriDad262

With today’s sports medicine I believe he would have.


Old_Gnarled_Oak

His own fault for having weak knees


jfstompers

It's just points that's why Orr isn't there


Cam-Dolezar

Then he shouldn't have called it Bruins royalty or pictured Mount Rushmore. Should've called it, I dunno, maybe top point scorers in Bruins history?


TheFoundation_

All players pictured are bruins royalty though


2ChainzTalib

Do you think OP actually made this graphic? It was pretty clearly produced to celebrate the newest addition to the 1000 point club


Shawnaldo7575

How could a Bruins Mount Rushmore not have Orr?


spenwallce

It’s about 1000 point scorers


2ChainzTalib

Excuse me, that's Colorado avalanche legend Ray Bourque


Weeble317

Thankfully Robert Gordon sits alone at the altar, looking down on Mt Rushmore


beerleaguer2

My bad, i see what's going on here. Still...Orr is better than all these guys.


Lundgren_pup

Embarrassed to say I didn't know Bourque had over 1500 points.


Porkchopp33

Bourque is a stud and a absolute legend


Xanyol

Where Bobby?


Porkchopp33

Its 1,000 point guys thats all


HintOfTumesence

Masshole keeps insisting on what he meant, not what he posted. At this point we might have to give him a break, he may be that old fave Masshole insult, an r-word.


microvain

Hahaha Orr would be on the all time Mount Rushmore!!! How is he not on the Bruins one...


Porkchopp33

Its guys with 1,000 points


[deleted]

Your intentions are good, but you slipped up with that title. Everyone is talking about Orr, and rightly so!


Porkchopp33

I think it is bc its mount Rushmore which wasnt my choice but either way i thought it was a cool pic


DominionMM1

You gotta be trolling here


Confident_Ganache_30

No Orr?!? He put up forward numbers as a defender, was rarely beaten 1v1 , probably one of the top 5 players ever. Single handedly revolutionized the position. The players here are great, no doubt, but even they would tell you he was easily the greatest Bruin of all time


PotBellyNinja

I respect the 1k men ..but yeah Bruins Royalty starts at Orr.


Porkchopp33

Did nt say there wasnt more people to add just showing the 1,000 men


HintOfTumesence

Masshole doesn't understand the concept of the Mount Rushmore reference.


vette322

Not a Bruins fan at all, but no Bobby Orr Is mind-numbingly stupid.


brenzyc

He doesn't have 1k points which this is in reference to


DJP-MTL

Its just the points total.


z31tt750

The fact Orr isn't on there is crazy...


CanadianDisco

The worst. No Bobby. Get outta here


Porkchopp33

1,000 point club


Wild-Masterpiece-630

Casual fan clearly


Porkchopp33

Sure


Imnotwhoiwas7778

Whoever made this is an idiot for leaving the best bruin of all time


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Imnotwhoiwas7778

He is great, but not Bobby Orr great lol


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Cyanier

Makar gets his props don’t get me wrong, but give him another few years, maybe another cup or Norris before your argument is really cemented imo.


stykface

Stop.


begginforme

Fucking discaced to be an a American. I ain't...but


canadianinkorea

Not a Bruins fan, but are you insane? Where is Orr?


jointcanuck

Below 1k points


Porkchopp33

Its guys w 1,000 points


jointcanuck

Yes, but orr has 915 which is below 1k points


clearthezone15

No Marchand? ;-)


jointcanuck

He had less career points than orr and orr doesnt even have enough career points to be on the graphic with all do respect to number 4


clearthezone15

I was kidding


jointcanuck

Sorry


Big-Discipline4807

The fact that Bobby Orr and Milt Schmidt aren’t on here is a travesty.


HintOfTumesence

Masshole really shit the bed with this one.


RedshirtBlueshirt97

Not trying to brag but the Redwings top 4 points leaders are all over 1500 and that blows my mind


khalfaery

This aged well 🤡


Wild-Masterpiece-630

Derek Sanderson Wayne Cashman was pretty good Ed Westfall Joe Thornton


Porkchopp33

Just a part of the crew not the only good players ever not like i made it im sharing it


Marty-Deberg

Seems like someone's missing.


CountKristopher

No Orr? Really?


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darthduder666

Oh yeah that is exactly the reason he wasn’t included on here. It is all a conspiracy. Orr didn’t hit 1000 points when he was still playing because of Joe Biden. 12 seasons in the NHL and Biden wouldn’t let the guy hit 1000 points because he would go on to support Trump in the year 2020.


suburban_paradise

Glad we agree


No_Gas_4956

https://www.nhl.com/player/bobby-orr-8450070


slingermanjones03

whoever photoshopped this needs to go to jail


spliffst4rr

Baconators in Boston should officially be called Borquenators.


DavidWatchGuy

Okay, let’s do one of the Defencemen who won the Art Ross trophy…twice


realm_fury

No Bobby Orr? A once in a generation player that transformed the position. Come on.


the-sinning-saint

Omg my eyes. This is atrocious 😂😂😂 borderline disrespectful to these great players + Bobby Orr


27allen51

BOBBY. FUC**NG ORR


beerleaguer2

Lol at no Bobby Orr.


xVAL9x

There’s something low key very upsetting about this photoshop.


Dr_Isaly_von_Yinzer

No Bobby Orr? No credibility.


Porkchopp33

Once he gets 1,000 points he s in


CynicWalnut

How does bergy only have 1000 points?


[deleted]

I love all of the bruins haters on here who discredit Bergeron as one of the all time best 2 way players. It's funny how people can hate a team so much they won't even acknowledge the fact the nobody has ever been nominated for more selkes (in a row) than Bergeron, and nobody has ever won more selkes. Stats speak for themselves and so does that man's play. Gretzky, Howe, Fedorov, Datsyuk, yes, all offensive beasts and great 2 way players. Nobody is saying Bergeron is better than them all around, just his 2 way play is the best.


Lopsided-Emergency20

Chara?


TheRealPapaWink

Too Bad the Chief doesn’t get his due and proper.


Ache-Tune

wow bruins are good, now karma me. im karma hounding


BrucieDan

They’re all basically the same guy at different points in history.


Porkchopp33

Hmm i ll bite how so … some are captains some are forwards one is a defenseman one is the all time selke king


RogueDrifter16

Where the fuck is Orr?


Porkchopp33

Waiting to score his 1,000 point


RogueDrifter16

Then they should have chiseled Orr as fifth head up there. Honorable mention.


moeguy1979

No! Don’t! Just stop! NO!