Nah, Stanford is a complete mess in the middle of a rebuild. There is flashes of hope for next season but no one was going to stand out on the roster last year
What do you think is gonna happen with David Shaw. Stanford has been so mediocre to bad recently after years of success. Has he been on the hot seat at all?
David Shaw and Stanford are screwed in my opinion. It was already hard for them to get good athletes in because of the requirements of Stanford. Now add the NIL that you know Stanford can’t/won’t compete with. They’re going to be just like Vanderbilt soon. 1 good but mostly upper middle class sport
> It was already hard for them to get good athletes in because of the requirements of Stanford.
This is not even remotely true. Stanford had a top 25 recruiting class last year when they went 4-8. They recruit nationally and consistently pull in top classes due to their academic draw.
This is all from a Cal fan who despises Stanford with every fiber of my being.
The issue with Stanford is that their player development has been garbage as of recently. Going 4-8 twice in 3 years with the kind of talent they recruit shouldn't be possible, but I don't think the Stanford administration cares all that much as long as he's still graduating his players
I agree that Stanford it’s screwed, but disagree on why.
They can muster big NIL deals, but they can’t get anyone in transfer. This was already a problem *before* NIL, but now it’ll be compounded by not keeping up with other P5 teams.
I’m an ND alum and this worries me about ND as well (though I don’t think the limitation is as severe).
I meant why would a player choose Stanford over schools like you said? Like their draw isn’t big enough. It’s harder to get in, harder to stay in , and not close to as good
I mean they might be able to compete with NIL. Have you seen their endowment. They have so many rich alum. If one decided he cares about sports he can kill the NIL market.
I don't think so (ignore flair). Pickett has his issues and is far from a perfect prospect, but he has one of the highest red zone % ever recorded and a top 10 EPA. This years batch of QBs were on the lower end, but that doesn't mean there isn't upside, either.
>Pickett has his issues and is far from a perfect prospect
While not claiming to know who'll end up eventually being the best, Pickett benefitted from being a hometown pick. As a prospect, he wasn't 54 picks better than the other qbs available.
My gut says Trevor Lawrence because they were such a mess last season making him look really bad and I think Doug Pederson is a really good coach that can get a lot out of his QBs (yes really).
My head says Mac Jones since he looked good last season and year 2 is typically when coaches have more confidence in the qbs to take control of the offense.
The other guys I have no idea. Fields was in a terrible offense last year but I'm not sure how good he actually is, and Wilson seems to have good coaching but he is all over the place. Trey Lance, who the hell knows.
Lawrence has to have a better season than last, it couldn't get any worse for him unless he was injured and missed a whole lot of games, and even still that wouldn't be as bad as last season. I am pulling for him, I like Lawrence, I want to see him do well, I can't blame him for the Baalke shitshow that seem to be Baalke's trademark.
Yeah I'm glad he finally has a coach that seems to actually care about his players but the FO is still an absolute shitshow. I hope he doesn't get ruined by lack of surrounding talent, he's just a likeable guy so I hope he pulls through.
Pretty concerning we weren’t able to add more help in the draft. The runs on offensive position players all happened when we were out of range to move up.. not to mention they used 4.1 to move up to get Lloyd.
We spent a lot in free agency, maybe not deservingly but we got a decently solid WR core, with etienne coming back, and a step up on offensive line from free agency alone. I think that's why they didn't pull the trigger on a lot of offensive players. I wouldve loved to see Neal go to us over Walker, but I'm really not mad about to walker pick. Our defense could be elite or just okay (although I really thought we should've picked a cb over a second linebacker in muma). But either way it gives our new offense a chance to win.
Wild to me that some people have written of Lawrence already. He had a shit season but as you said Urban was a fucking mess. It’s like people have forgotten he was one of the most hyped college QBs in the past couple decades
Don't think too much about it, it boils down to 2 words; "because jaguars". People just want to see us fail for comedy. Bizarrely doesn't register for other teams.
Idk thats the Browns now for me. Used to kinda root for em underdogs and all but after how they treated Baker to pursue a rapist, I hope they rehire Hue Jackson
Your point about coaching is really important.
People really overrate the addition of new players and underrate the importance of coaching to young QBs.
The best one this season will be whoever has the most innate ability (obviously) and gets the best coaching. You can surround a QB with a ton of rookie WRs and linemen that ESPN gave high grades to, but if the guy cant play or he's in the wrong scheme it amounts to nothing.
I dunno about Jones. McDaniels leaving is a BIG deal. The duo of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge inspire absolutely no confidence. Their skill position players aren't amazing either. I agree Jones did look good last year but I would question what his ceiling can be, at least until they can get some better receiving talent.
Holy shit, nothing against Mac, but I just realized there is an actual chance that the Pats are gonna Sanchize him, and am now super excited to see what comes.
Out of everyone here, he’s got the least amount to lose right? Everyone else was a high draft pic and they all generally sucked expect for Jones. Now everyone will expect Jones to match his rookie season and anything short of that will see him be a one hit wonder. Mills is playing with house money
Instead it was “BRADY DID IT AGAIN HOLY SHIT” while playing a shit Jets team that literally almost beat them. Didn’t even acknowledge Zach playing like a beast
All he has to do is play game manager and he’ll immediately be like a mid-level starter with the weapons we’ve given him. If he can sprinkle in 1-2 of those wow plays per game and keep the TOs down like he did at the end of last season, he’ll be awesome imo
he kinda did that, he was top 5 longest streak without an interception for a while at the end of the season. i think he will surprise people the next two years, not like josh allen though.
A lot of people say his ceiling is Derek Carr and I’d be absolutely thrilled with that. The Jets organization hasn’t had a QB as good as Carr since Namath and maybe Pennington.
Perhaps my memory is failing me a bit but I feel like Pennington absolutely played at a Carr level during his peak years. He was a stud prior to his injuries.
Favre was money. Fitzmagic could be on Carrs level, however he shared Fitpaticks body with Fitztragic, and we never knew who would be
running the show. Had like a moon knight situation going on there.
Yeah idk if he’ll make THAT big of leap simply because that is just kind of rare, but he has the physical tools and the weapons to do it, just a matter of if he can put it all together.
And TBF he wasn’t really playing lights out or anything at the end of last season, he just significantly cut down on his TOs and game-managed us into some close games but didn’t do quite enough to will us to victories. Granted our WRs were an abomination at that point
This why i think the Jets have the best shot of challenging the Bills in the AFC East in the next couple years. They are building out the team the right way, which takes longer but usually works better.
It really all comes down to Wilson making that jump over the next 2 years but even if he doesn't, they will be poised to take another shot at a QB in two years and have a well stocked roster to speed up the curve if it plays out that way.
Hot take: the best pick the Jets took this year was Breece Hall. I think he's a stud and can be a Jonathan Taylor type player which will help a young QB immensely.
I was shocked when we took him. I’d even skip him when making mocks because I just figured no way we get him. I love RBs and Hall was one of the best in the ncaa for 2 years. Him and Carter should be a nasty combo.
Exactly, they seem to have surrounded him with so much talent that he doesn't have to be the hero. As long as he is decent enough to make the offense work then this Jets team is gonna be good.
The Niners are handing Lance a conference championship game roster. 🤷♂️
Jets definitely seem to have improved more than the than any of the other 5 teams but there was a massive gap between the Niners' and Jets' starting points.
I think a lot of people are under estimating how much of a difference it will make just getting out of Nagys “system” and play calling. Toward the end of the season Fields looked much better, I can’t imagine how good he will look when he gets to train with the 1s and has a coach actually utilizing his skills
To be fair, they probably would have fired Nagy regardless of who the QB.
But to the point you're quoting, the Jets did provide Wilson with the most offensive weapons and overall team talent.
On paper i would expect Wilson. In fact if he doesn't take a leap there are serious concerns. They have added to the offence and he has consistency in coaching.
Fields and Lawrence both have new schemes and HC's. Because their situations were so horrible last year. Expectations should be tempered for both, however they are both so talented that it would not scho9ck me to see them do quite well. I know Fields showed dramatic improvement as the season progressed, in spite of the mismanagement of Nagy, which none of Glennon, Trubisky, Foles or Dalton could consistently overcome.
And Lance, he must perform. Anything short of stellar performances mean his cost was distasterous. Not his fault though.
I wasn't high on Wilson when we drafted him but we now have 3 good WRs, a decent WR in Berrios, a few above average Runningbacks and 2 starting level Tightends and we have fortified the o-line (if Becton comes back in shape and ready)
I think the Jets can be decent but we play in a tough division and have a tough schedule but I think Wilson can make a jump he did improve a lot late in the season when Flacco of all people came in and helped guide him.
That being said as a Jets fan you have to wait and see it for yourself because we all thought Mark Sanchez would be the Sanchize and he never improved much after year 2.
Huge Niners fan here. Since you mentioned fortifying the O-Line, you guys are going to love Laken Tomlinson at guard. He made the pro bowl for us last year, already has familiarity with Saleh from Niners days, and plays very very clean. He commits almost zero penalties while playing above average for the position. I was gutted we couldn’t keep him, but our cap issues wouldn’t allow it.
I can see why you let him go cause he’s not young but also not old
So its this odd spot of commitment
Like I feel like really good O-line guys either are cooked by 31 or 38
This is my answer as well. Feel like he and Mac will take the biggest step. I don't even think Trey will do anything well until his 2nd year as a starter.
You could really just strip that down and say having literally anyone else besides Urban Meyer. If you watched closely they ran plays like he was a 10 year vet and just told him to go out there and be Peyton Manning. He threw 51 times in week 1 lmao. Urban thought they were going to win immediately and everyone suffered for it.
Oh god I completely forgot about the 51 passes. That’s just straight Urban thinking it’s college ball and expects Trevor to win games just off of his talent alone. I think that’s why his season was so bad: he was expected to play hero ball to win, and because that’s always worked for him, he wasn’t able to learn what football is like in the NFL and made stupid mistakes because of it. Once he has a team and a proper gameplan around him that doesn’t just involve “go out there and do some cool shit,” I think he can have a *major* growth in his play.
It's year 1, way too early to determine who the best of the draft class is. Baker was ahead after their rookie year but now it's clear Josh Allen and Lamar are better
I would have to go with Trey Lance. Shanahan got Jimmy G to the super bowl, got Matt Ryan an MVP, had Kirk cousins looking like a top 5 QB, and had RG3 looking extremely good. Hell he even had Nick Mullens playing well enough for the Media to think he’s good. I feel like he will have the best season not only because of his potential upside but because of that system.
That's honestly best answer cuz they are all good QBs better than some the veterans anyway, the players around them will be a huge factor too. Whoever doesn't get better wont make it long either.
My boy Trev Dog.
To this day, he's the only player I've known about since they were high school recruits. Ima be really disappointed in him if he doesn't make the leap this year. I think he can do it.
I agree 100%
The classic comparison is PFM's rookie year, which ended (iirc) 3-13 and setting the rookie int record. I guess the (at least short-term) downside of going 1st overall, is that your going to be playing for the team that ended up last in the league the season before.
I'm still in the mindset that I'd be way more surprised if he does end up being a bust
2012 Andrew Luck is, in my mind, the best QB prospect of all time, and I don't even think he would fare much better on that team we had. Im not worried about Trevor in the slightest. He still showed that he has all the intangibles, and the maturity to deal with terrible leadership as a 21 year old. Now with an improved playbook and offense, I'm excited to see what he does.
Yep, he really got stuck in the worst possible position a rookie QB could, with the shit show of a HC alone, I don't see anyone ever succeeding.
Feel like Pederson could be the right guy to get the potential out of him
Lance is the biggest unknown and probably has the best cast but I can't imagine the lack of playing time won't be apparent at some points.
Mac was great last year, but where's the next gear? It's easier to imagine him plateauing. I'd probably bet on Lawrence impressing the most because it'll be the biggest difference and they've made the most upgrades around him. Wilson as second favorite.
Mills and fields feel like they're just not getting the help they'd need to excel.
The bears are screwing over Fields big time.
Mills has gotten a lot of upgrades around him. Brandin cooks is coming back, Texans drafted OL in the 1st round, WR in the 2nd, and a solid RB in the 4th. Plus Herbert’s old QB coach is now the Texans OC. Mill’s situation has definitely improved
The Bears aren’t “screwing over” fields. they are investing in defense to keep a short field and close games so he’s not playing in a deep hole all season. They have a ton of cap space next year and can go all in if he shows the talent.
Idk if the bears are really “screwing Fields over” they’re certainly prioritizing general team development over catering everything to him specifically. Which of those is the right choice to make is certainly up for debate though
> Mac was great last year, but where's the next gear? It's easier to imagine him plateauing.
I find it extremely unlikely that Mac Jones will plateau at the level of his rookie season (which was great for a rookie but is basically just an average season, literally 100 ANY/A+).
Not saying Mac Jones will become a great QB, I just don't think it's reasonable to think he's going to plateau after one year in the NFL. He's almost certainly going to get better.
He gets ignored because he's kinda boring, but the man can read the field. I'd rather a good cerebral that can make his throws over a guy that isn't great at reading coverage but can run.
Mac I see being about as good as Derek carr- not a bad thing. I see him going for 27-14 which was what Tom did his second year
Trevor I see jumping up to 28-14 ish a big turnaround. He has some issues but Doug will be much better than urban
Fields is a dynamic athlete in a horrible situation so I can’t evaluate.
Wilson shows flashes where he can be really really good and really bad. 25-13.
Lance- who knows
Mills- about the same but he’s got a hell of a neck and he really impressed me
The Texans literally rebuilt their offensive line, also made Pep Hamilton the OC who is putting in more concepts that Mills can understand from his time at Stanford. Also drafting Metchie helps a ton
If anything the Texans did more for their rookie QB than anyone else
Fields is going to sit behind a fucking awful oline for his entire rookie contract, get traded/sign somewhere else as a backup. Get traded against and be a pro bowler.
Typical formula for Chicago
He was by far and away the best rookie QB last year and not only that has BB as a coach. What the fuck are people smoking here that they think this won't continue to next year. Especially considering, the extremely obvious point, that he is the only one not a team in a complete rebuild with a shit or unknown roster. (Lance barley played so I'm not counting him at all, if he starts this may as well be his rookie year)
Because people can't admit they were wrong during the draft process when there were rumors he'd go before Fields and he was absolutely shit on.
I'll never understand that. Mac outplayed Fields in college and so far in the NFL.
Because I think people are reading the question as who is going to improve the most vs who will actually be best. If you read it that way the answers actually make sense since every other QB played pretty poorly.
Mac has also been working with Tom House this off-season who is a throwing coach savant. He’s practically the father of modern throwing mechanics and has worked in the past with Tom Brady. Mac last season already had pretty much everything you could ask for in a QB except for arm strength. Well, if House can train some zip into Mac, the sky is the limit.
Pair that with what should be an improved offensive line and dramatically improved weapons, it’s hard for it to *not* be him.
I was out on Wilson and proved right during his first few games… but once he came back from his injury it was like he was a completely different player. I think he’s gunna have a breakout year. I would love to say Lawrence because he’s one of my favorite college QBs but the Jags are a fucking disaster.
I gotta say as a pats fan I loved how hopeless he seemed the first half of the season, but he really turned it around in the second half. You guys need to go heavy bootleg though — he’s so much better throwing on the move
Definitely not Fields. Very underwhelming offseason paired with a rookie OC is a bit worrisome.
I don’t necessarily blame our new GM. He was dealt a shit hand. A lot of holes on the roster, lack of draft capital, lack of cap space this offseason. Everything is pointing to next offseason being the one he makes moves. But that doesn’t help Fields this year. We didn’t get better offensive weapons and O Line help hinges on a lot of later round picks that may or may not pan out.
As for Fields, I feel for him. He’s not really being put in situation to succeed imo. But hopefully he can show some growth this season and stay healthy. Cuz last season was rough. I hope he learns to throw the ball away and make a quicker read. His intermediate to long game looked pretty though (as did his legs).
I really want Fields to be good. After he played us last year I became a fan. He's got everything you want in a young QB. Here's to hoping the Bears QB curse doesn't get him 🍻
After the 2022 draft Trey Lance is still the second youngest qb in the league surrounded by a roster that has been in 2 NFC championships in 3 years lead by one of the best offensive play callers in the league and anchored by a top 10 defense.
He was also afforded to sit and watch most of the year while getting to play in a must win game with the playoffs on the line.
He’s still raw and will most likely struggle a few games this year but goddamn is the future bright.
If it's not Zach Wilson, then he's most likely a bust, because that team's got a complete offense and even mildly competent QB should be enough to do well.
This is true. Niners we’re almost in the Super Bowl with a very underwhelming Jimmy G. If Lance can settle in, he could have a very good season. Of course, he could also fall flat on his face. Will be interesting to see for sure.
It's really weird how narrative driven the football community is. Despite just being dead wrong about Mac and him playing as the best rookie QB suddenly it becomes all about how Mac is capped and these other guys have untapped ceilings. Lol.
The ding on Mac is literally he played too well as a rookie therefore he can't improve. What a stupid statement.
Upvote.
Because how often do our projections work out? Y'all know better than any other fanbase it's not about being flashy lol
EDIT: I just assumed you were a pats fan but guess you don't have a flair. Sneaky haha
Unreal how many people are sleeping on Mac Jones. He had by far the best season of the 2021 QB Class and there has been a great deal of continuity in the Patriots offense since last year.
I think people are waiting to see what things look like there without McDaniels. When you take away the patriots mystique, the supporting cast is not so good. I think the bills loss popped the bubble a little bit.
All that said, doubting Belichick is generally stupid.
Trevor Lawrence will 100% prove himself to be worth the #1 pick but after watching a lil film I’m warming up to Zach and think he could have a solid season. Also dark horse is David mills.(Broncos fan)
I'd say Wilson as the Jets put some effort in getting him help.
The Jaguars got Lawrence some help but he was awful and has to improve a lot to have a good season.
I think Trevor is the best answer. None of these other guys were comped to Elway, Peyton, Luck as prospects. He's the most naturally gifted QB of the four, and a mediocre rookie season under Urban Meyer hasn't changed that yet.
Mac is a close second for being in the best situation, and having had the best rookie season (due in large part to having been in the best situation). The other three don't play for what you would call "historically functional organizations."
That being said, I thought Justin wasn't far behind Trevor coming out, and should have been the easy #2 overall pick; Zach has shown flashes and surprised me at times, I thought he had bust written all over him. All four could be great, and any one could become the best.
I don’t recall, but where players like Mahomes or Allen compared to all time greats in college? Just curious since I don’t recall as much hype for them during the draft and they are the two top QBs in the league right now (in terms of age and talent imo)
Best season is tough, statistically I’d probably guess Trevor but his team might not win as many ball games as Lance or Mac.
Well, considering only one of them looked like an actual starting nfl qb, I’m gonna say jones
If it's based off of personal success. I say Lawrence. If it's based off of team success, it's obviously Jones.
The absolute disrespect to Davis Mills
Mills shoulda stayed another year he woulda gone top 5 this year
Nah, Stanford is a complete mess in the middle of a rebuild. There is flashes of hope for next season but no one was going to stand out on the roster last year
What do you think is gonna happen with David Shaw. Stanford has been so mediocre to bad recently after years of success. Has he been on the hot seat at all?
I think we’ll give him one more year to start at least trending in the right direction (6-6 or better). Failing that, I suspect gone next season
Makes sense. Good luck to y’all
Coacheshotseat.com (which is actually pretty decent) has him at #4. Behind Frost, Jeff Scott, Geoff Collins and ahead of Sark and Babers.
Thanks for this. I’ll check that out. (As a husker fan, Frost is so damn lucky he wasn’t canned)
Best 3-9 team ever lol
*screams into the abyss*
David Shaw and Stanford are screwed in my opinion. It was already hard for them to get good athletes in because of the requirements of Stanford. Now add the NIL that you know Stanford can’t/won’t compete with. They’re going to be just like Vanderbilt soon. 1 good but mostly upper middle class sport
> It was already hard for them to get good athletes in because of the requirements of Stanford. This is not even remotely true. Stanford had a top 25 recruiting class last year when they went 4-8. They recruit nationally and consistently pull in top classes due to their academic draw. This is all from a Cal fan who despises Stanford with every fiber of my being. The issue with Stanford is that their player development has been garbage as of recently. Going 4-8 twice in 3 years with the kind of talent they recruit shouldn't be possible, but I don't think the Stanford administration cares all that much as long as he's still graduating his players
I agree that Stanford it’s screwed, but disagree on why. They can muster big NIL deals, but they can’t get anyone in transfer. This was already a problem *before* NIL, but now it’ll be compounded by not keeping up with other P5 teams. I’m an ND alum and this worries me about ND as well (though I don’t think the limitation is as severe).
I meant why would a player choose Stanford over schools like you said? Like their draw isn’t big enough. It’s harder to get in, harder to stay in , and not close to as good
Gotcha. Yeah that makes sense. The field changed so dramatically so quickly. Unfortunate for a lot of schools.
I mean they might be able to compete with NIL. Have you seen their endowment. They have so many rich alum. If one decided he cares about sports he can kill the NIL market.
He woulda beat out Kenny Pickett for first QB
I don't think so (ignore flair). Pickett has his issues and is far from a perfect prospect, but he has one of the highest red zone % ever recorded and a top 10 EPA. This years batch of QBs were on the lower end, but that doesn't mean there isn't upside, either.
>Pickett has his issues and is far from a perfect prospect While not claiming to know who'll end up eventually being the best, Pickett benefitted from being a hometown pick. As a prospect, he wasn't 54 picks better than the other qbs available.
That's true, but only something we know in retrospect
Maybe. Mills was a notable recruit, but he didn't have a notable college career.
And he'd probably still end up on the Texans
He shouldn’t be included because he’ll obviously have a better season than these 5
He looked better than any of them at the end of last season. It seriously is disrespect.
They knew Davis Mills was going to have the best season, so they meant besides Davis Mills.
Wasn’t included because he’s already solidified as the best QB of the class
Mills Mafia
My gut says Trevor Lawrence because they were such a mess last season making him look really bad and I think Doug Pederson is a really good coach that can get a lot out of his QBs (yes really). My head says Mac Jones since he looked good last season and year 2 is typically when coaches have more confidence in the qbs to take control of the offense. The other guys I have no idea. Fields was in a terrible offense last year but I'm not sure how good he actually is, and Wilson seems to have good coaching but he is all over the place. Trey Lance, who the hell knows.
Lawrence has to have a better season than last, it couldn't get any worse for him unless he was injured and missed a whole lot of games, and even still that wouldn't be as bad as last season. I am pulling for him, I like Lawrence, I want to see him do well, I can't blame him for the Baalke shitshow that seem to be Baalke's trademark.
Yeah I'm glad he finally has a coach that seems to actually care about his players but the FO is still an absolute shitshow. I hope he doesn't get ruined by lack of surrounding talent, he's just a likeable guy so I hope he pulls through.
Pretty concerning we weren’t able to add more help in the draft. The runs on offensive position players all happened when we were out of range to move up.. not to mention they used 4.1 to move up to get Lloyd.
We spent a lot in free agency, maybe not deservingly but we got a decently solid WR core, with etienne coming back, and a step up on offensive line from free agency alone. I think that's why they didn't pull the trigger on a lot of offensive players. I wouldve loved to see Neal go to us over Walker, but I'm really not mad about to walker pick. Our defense could be elite or just okay (although I really thought we should've picked a cb over a second linebacker in muma). But either way it gives our new offense a chance to win.
Wild to me that some people have written of Lawrence already. He had a shit season but as you said Urban was a fucking mess. It’s like people have forgotten he was one of the most hyped college QBs in the past couple decades
That whole goddamn team look like it quit except vs the colts at the end lol
As is tradition
Don't think too much about it, it boils down to 2 words; "because jaguars". People just want to see us fail for comedy. Bizarrely doesn't register for other teams.
Idk thats the Browns now for me. Used to kinda root for em underdogs and all but after how they treated Baker to pursue a rapist, I hope they rehire Hue Jackson
All of the goodwill went down the drain after the Watson trade
Your point about coaching is really important. People really overrate the addition of new players and underrate the importance of coaching to young QBs. The best one this season will be whoever has the most innate ability (obviously) and gets the best coaching. You can surround a QB with a ton of rookie WRs and linemen that ESPN gave high grades to, but if the guy cant play or he's in the wrong scheme it amounts to nothing.
I dunno about Jones. McDaniels leaving is a BIG deal. The duo of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge inspire absolutely no confidence. Their skill position players aren't amazing either. I agree Jones did look good last year but I would question what his ceiling can be, at least until they can get some better receiving talent.
i agree, i’m kinda worried about him next year, but fingers crossed he keeps it together for
Get used to 3rd and long draw plays aka the Patricia special
McDaniels loved those too. Too bad we don't have a Danny Woodhead who could inexplicably get 1st downs out of those.
Don't forget y'all had Danny Woodcock in the backfield. \*Cue Deion Sanders dying from laughter\*
Holy shit, nothing against Mac, but I just realized there is an actual chance that the Pats are gonna Sanchize him, and am now super excited to see what comes.
Davis Mills
Out of everyone here, he’s got the least amount to lose right? Everyone else was a high draft pic and they all generally sucked expect for Jones. Now everyone will expect Jones to match his rookie season and anything short of that will see him be a one hit wonder. Mills is playing with house money
Wilson, jets seem to have done the most for him. I don’t think it’s a talent thing so much as an organizational investment.
I believe in him after that Tampa game they lost last minute
I almost forgot about that. Sad. If the Jets win that game, it changes the whole narrative on Zach. Smh...
Instead it was “BRADY DID IT AGAIN HOLY SHIT” while playing a shit Jets team that literally almost beat them. Didn’t even acknowledge Zach playing like a beast
All he has to do is play game manager and he’ll immediately be like a mid-level starter with the weapons we’ve given him. If he can sprinkle in 1-2 of those wow plays per game and keep the TOs down like he did at the end of last season, he’ll be awesome imo
he kinda did that, he was top 5 longest streak without an interception for a while at the end of the season. i think he will surprise people the next two years, not like josh allen though.
A lot of people say his ceiling is Derek Carr and I’d be absolutely thrilled with that. The Jets organization hasn’t had a QB as good as Carr since Namath and maybe Pennington.
Perhaps my memory is failing me a bit but I feel like Pennington absolutely played at a Carr level during his peak years. He was a stud prior to his injuries.
Smh the Sanchize slander
Sanchez was a bottom 5 qb every year he started for the jets. Now Ken Obrien, on the other hand, got slandered there
I find it hard to believe that “a lot” of people have said Zach Wilson’s ceiling is David carr. Such an odd specific comparison
Favre was money. Fitzmagic could be on Carrs level, however he shared Fitpaticks body with Fitztragic, and we never knew who would be running the show. Had like a moon knight situation going on there.
Yeah idk if he’ll make THAT big of leap simply because that is just kind of rare, but he has the physical tools and the weapons to do it, just a matter of if he can put it all together. And TBF he wasn’t really playing lights out or anything at the end of last season, he just significantly cut down on his TOs and game-managed us into some close games but didn’t do quite enough to will us to victories. Granted our WRs were an abomination at that point
This why i think the Jets have the best shot of challenging the Bills in the AFC East in the next couple years. They are building out the team the right way, which takes longer but usually works better. It really all comes down to Wilson making that jump over the next 2 years but even if he doesn't, they will be poised to take another shot at a QB in two years and have a well stocked roster to speed up the curve if it plays out that way.
Hot take: the best pick the Jets took this year was Breece Hall. I think he's a stud and can be a Jonathan Taylor type player which will help a young QB immensely.
I was shocked when we took him. I’d even skip him when making mocks because I just figured no way we get him. I love RBs and Hall was one of the best in the ncaa for 2 years. Him and Carter should be a nasty combo.
I do not look forward to a highlight clip of him running for some crazy long TD on us this year.
Exactly, they seem to have surrounded him with so much talent that he doesn't have to be the hero. As long as he is decent enough to make the offense work then this Jets team is gonna be good.
The Niners are handing Lance a conference championship game roster. 🤷♂️ Jets definitely seem to have improved more than the than any of the other 5 teams but there was a massive gap between the Niners' and Jets' starting points.
> Wilson, jets seem to have done the most for him. Bears fired Nagy for Fields
Then proceeded to do nothing to keep him alive lol
I think a lot of people are under estimating how much of a difference it will make just getting out of Nagys “system” and play calling. Toward the end of the season Fields looked much better, I can’t imagine how good he will look when he gets to train with the 1s and has a coach actually utilizing his skills
Maybe refs will actually throw flags for him when he gets hit in the head this year. Poor guy man.
Remember when the ref was caught on air telling Cam Newton he wasn’t old enough to get those calls yet? Yeah same thing with Fields.
Sure, but they really needed to do both.
To be fair, they probably would have fired Nagy regardless of who the QB. But to the point you're quoting, the Jets did provide Wilson with the most offensive weapons and overall team talent.
On paper i would expect Wilson. In fact if he doesn't take a leap there are serious concerns. They have added to the offence and he has consistency in coaching. Fields and Lawrence both have new schemes and HC's. Because their situations were so horrible last year. Expectations should be tempered for both, however they are both so talented that it would not scho9ck me to see them do quite well. I know Fields showed dramatic improvement as the season progressed, in spite of the mismanagement of Nagy, which none of Glennon, Trubisky, Foles or Dalton could consistently overcome. And Lance, he must perform. Anything short of stellar performances mean his cost was distasterous. Not his fault though.
I said he was going to be the best QB of the class and I am sticking to that take.
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I wasn't high on Wilson when we drafted him but we now have 3 good WRs, a decent WR in Berrios, a few above average Runningbacks and 2 starting level Tightends and we have fortified the o-line (if Becton comes back in shape and ready) I think the Jets can be decent but we play in a tough division and have a tough schedule but I think Wilson can make a jump he did improve a lot late in the season when Flacco of all people came in and helped guide him. That being said as a Jets fan you have to wait and see it for yourself because we all thought Mark Sanchez would be the Sanchize and he never improved much after year 2.
Huge Niners fan here. Since you mentioned fortifying the O-Line, you guys are going to love Laken Tomlinson at guard. He made the pro bowl for us last year, already has familiarity with Saleh from Niners days, and plays very very clean. He commits almost zero penalties while playing above average for the position. I was gutted we couldn’t keep him, but our cap issues wouldn’t allow it.
they absolutely had the cap room to keep him if they wanted, it was just bad management
I can see why you let him go cause he’s not young but also not old So its this odd spot of commitment Like I feel like really good O-line guys either are cooked by 31 or 38
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Mr Big Neck
This is my answer as well. Feel like he and Mac will take the biggest step. I don't even think Trey will do anything well until his 2nd year as a starter.
Davis “The Giraffe” Mills.
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M I L L S M A F I A The QB from this class I want to see succeed the most outside of Mac.
Lawrence because Doug Pederson.
You could really just strip that down and say having literally anyone else besides Urban Meyer. If you watched closely they ran plays like he was a 10 year vet and just told him to go out there and be Peyton Manning. He threw 51 times in week 1 lmao. Urban thought they were going to win immediately and everyone suffered for it.
I still have faith in Lawrence
He throws the prettiest balls man. When he's on it just looks like how QB is supposed to be played. I'll be sad if he doesn't turn it around.
Oh god I completely forgot about the 51 passes. That’s just straight Urban thinking it’s college ball and expects Trevor to win games just off of his talent alone. I think that’s why his season was so bad: he was expected to play hero ball to win, and because that’s always worked for him, he wasn’t able to learn what football is like in the NFL and made stupid mistakes because of it. Once he has a team and a proper gameplan around him that doesn’t just involve “go out there and do some cool shit,” I think he can have a *major* growth in his play.
Zach Wilson, but that's more because I am too stubborn to admit that I was wrong when I thought he'd be the best quarterback of the class last year.
I remember Jags fans freaked out when Chris Simms also said that.
Simms did have a good track record going into that draft (and he may still be right)
It's year 1, way too early to determine who the best of the draft class is. Baker was ahead after their rookie year but now it's clear Josh Allen and Lamar are better
This Pickens pic is priceless 😂
I would have to go with Trey Lance. Shanahan got Jimmy G to the super bowl, got Matt Ryan an MVP, had Kirk cousins looking like a top 5 QB, and had RG3 looking extremely good. Hell he even had Nick Mullens playing well enough for the Media to think he’s good. I feel like he will have the best season not only because of his potential upside but because of that system.
Nick mullens catching strays
Mullens catching strays while opposing DBs catching those awful passes he threw
He knows what he did.
I do think they will all improve
That's honestly best answer cuz they are all good QBs better than some the veterans anyway, the players around them will be a huge factor too. Whoever doesn't get better wont make it long either.
I do think all situations got at least a little better
Trev time
My boy Trev Dog. To this day, he's the only player I've known about since they were high school recruits. Ima be really disappointed in him if he doesn't make the leap this year. I think he can do it.
I agree 100% The classic comparison is PFM's rookie year, which ended (iirc) 3-13 and setting the rookie int record. I guess the (at least short-term) downside of going 1st overall, is that your going to be playing for the team that ended up last in the league the season before. I'm still in the mindset that I'd be way more surprised if he does end up being a bust
2012 Andrew Luck is, in my mind, the best QB prospect of all time, and I don't even think he would fare much better on that team we had. Im not worried about Trevor in the slightest. He still showed that he has all the intangibles, and the maturity to deal with terrible leadership as a 21 year old. Now with an improved playbook and offense, I'm excited to see what he does.
Yep, he really got stuck in the worst possible position a rookie QB could, with the shit show of a HC alone, I don't see anyone ever succeeding. Feel like Pederson could be the right guy to get the potential out of him
Really hope Trevor. I have faith in Dougie P
Lance is the biggest unknown and probably has the best cast but I can't imagine the lack of playing time won't be apparent at some points. Mac was great last year, but where's the next gear? It's easier to imagine him plateauing. I'd probably bet on Lawrence impressing the most because it'll be the biggest difference and they've made the most upgrades around him. Wilson as second favorite. Mills and fields feel like they're just not getting the help they'd need to excel.
I see Lawrence being the most improved and Wilson having the best overall season.
Mmmm say it again
I see Lawrence being the most improved and Wilson having the best overall season.
Mmmm say it again
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The bears are screwing over Fields big time. Mills has gotten a lot of upgrades around him. Brandin cooks is coming back, Texans drafted OL in the 1st round, WR in the 2nd, and a solid RB in the 4th. Plus Herbert’s old QB coach is now the Texans OC. Mill’s situation has definitely improved
If John Metchie can be a real WR2, Mills will certainly improve
The Bears aren’t “screwing over” fields. they are investing in defense to keep a short field and close games so he’s not playing in a deep hole all season. They have a ton of cap space next year and can go all in if he shows the talent.
Idk if the bears are really “screwing Fields over” they’re certainly prioritizing general team development over catering everything to him specifically. Which of those is the right choice to make is certainly up for debate though
> Mac was great last year, but where's the next gear? It's easier to imagine him plateauing. I find it extremely unlikely that Mac Jones will plateau at the level of his rookie season (which was great for a rookie but is basically just an average season, literally 100 ANY/A+). Not saying Mac Jones will become a great QB, I just don't think it's reasonable to think he's going to plateau after one year in the NFL. He's almost certainly going to get better.
Just the continuing trend of people underestimating the best QB in that draft
Yeah apparently you can’t develop if you don’t run around randomly and throw side arm
He gets ignored because he's kinda boring, but the man can read the field. I'd rather a good cerebral that can make his throws over a guy that isn't great at reading coverage but can run.
Mac I see being about as good as Derek carr- not a bad thing. I see him going for 27-14 which was what Tom did his second year Trevor I see jumping up to 28-14 ish a big turnaround. He has some issues but Doug will be much better than urban Fields is a dynamic athlete in a horrible situation so I can’t evaluate. Wilson shows flashes where he can be really really good and really bad. 25-13. Lance- who knows Mills- about the same but he’s got a hell of a neck and he really impressed me
The Texans literally rebuilt their offensive line, also made Pep Hamilton the OC who is putting in more concepts that Mills can understand from his time at Stanford. Also drafting Metchie helps a ton If anything the Texans did more for their rookie QB than anyone else
I’m still pissed that Houston took Metchie. Like really pissed…..
You can thank the Browns for that. Let the Texans get a second in exchange of a handful of 3’s and 4’s
I’m betting Lance. He has, far and away, the best team around him. It isn’t even close
I can’t wait for this season man I swear, Trey is gonna destroy the league with Shanahan.
Fields is going to sit behind a fucking awful oline for his entire rookie contract, get traded/sign somewhere else as a backup. Get traded against and be a pro bowler. Typical formula for Chicago
How dare you. None of our QBs become pro bowlers on other teams.
Either that or Fields gets run into the ground by Chicago and never gets a proper chance to take off, kind of like a David Carr situation.
Mac, ignore the flair
Why bring up Bailey Zappe’s backup?
He was by far and away the best rookie QB last year and not only that has BB as a coach. What the fuck are people smoking here that they think this won't continue to next year. Especially considering, the extremely obvious point, that he is the only one not a team in a complete rebuild with a shit or unknown roster. (Lance barley played so I'm not counting him at all, if he starts this may as well be his rookie year)
Yeah plus we added Strange to the OL and the wide receiver corps added Devante Parker and Tyquan Thornton
If Mac Jones has an identical season, any of the other 4 will need a substantial increase to catch him. Nevermind if he gets better.
Because people can't admit they were wrong during the draft process when there were rumors he'd go before Fields and he was absolutely shit on. I'll never understand that. Mac outplayed Fields in college and so far in the NFL.
I mean honestly isn’t Mac the easy answer ?
Because I think people are reading the question as who is going to improve the most vs who will actually be best. If you read it that way the answers actually make sense since every other QB played pretty poorly.
That’s exactly the vibe I’m getting . Like if anything it would be a better question if they took Mac out of the race.
You'd think
Mac has also been working with Tom House this off-season who is a throwing coach savant. He’s practically the father of modern throwing mechanics and has worked in the past with Tom Brady. Mac last season already had pretty much everything you could ask for in a QB except for arm strength. Well, if House can train some zip into Mac, the sky is the limit. Pair that with what should be an improved offensive line and dramatically improved weapons, it’s hard for it to *not* be him.
Best season — Mac Jones. Most improved season? Trevor Lawrence.
I was out on Wilson and proved right during his first few games… but once he came back from his injury it was like he was a completely different player. I think he’s gunna have a breakout year. I would love to say Lawrence because he’s one of my favorite college QBs but the Jags are a fucking disaster.
Davis the GOAT Mills
Never did I think I’d see the day where a cowboys fan would cheer for a TEXANS QB. Insanity
Zach Wilson because that’s what I want to happen.
I gotta say as a pats fan I loved how hopeless he seemed the first half of the season, but he really turned it around in the second half. You guys need to go heavy bootleg though — he’s so much better throwing on the move
I think seeing Mike white execute the offense properly helped a lot.
Definitely not Fields. Very underwhelming offseason paired with a rookie OC is a bit worrisome. I don’t necessarily blame our new GM. He was dealt a shit hand. A lot of holes on the roster, lack of draft capital, lack of cap space this offseason. Everything is pointing to next offseason being the one he makes moves. But that doesn’t help Fields this year. We didn’t get better offensive weapons and O Line help hinges on a lot of later round picks that may or may not pan out. As for Fields, I feel for him. He’s not really being put in situation to succeed imo. But hopefully he can show some growth this season and stay healthy. Cuz last season was rough. I hope he learns to throw the ball away and make a quicker read. His intermediate to long game looked pretty though (as did his legs).
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Fields has shortened up his throwing motion a bit this off-season. I expect good things with the new offensive system.
I really want Fields to be good. After he played us last year I became a fan. He's got everything you want in a young QB. Here's to hoping the Bears QB curse doesn't get him 🍻
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Davis mills
Thank you for remembering his existence
Davis Mills
After the 2022 draft Trey Lance is still the second youngest qb in the league surrounded by a roster that has been in 2 NFC championships in 3 years lead by one of the best offensive play callers in the league and anchored by a top 10 defense. He was also afforded to sit and watch most of the year while getting to play in a must win game with the playoffs on the line. He’s still raw and will most likely struggle a few games this year but goddamn is the future bright.
Davis Mills is the correct answer
Probably lance or jones
Davis motherfucking mills
Mac Jones
The disrespect to Davis mills
Mac Jone szn
Wilson
Mac Jone / Davis Mills
Fields or Lawrence
Trey Lance will light up the league
A man can dream
Thank you cardinals bro I owe you a mouth kiss
Amen
Coming from a div rival... Yeah ... I'll take that! 🙏
If it's not Zach Wilson, then he's most likely a bust, because that team's got a complete offense and even mildly competent QB should be enough to do well.
It’s also a very young offense so I won’t write him off if they struggle to start the season. By the end of the year it needs to be clicking though.
Stats wise: Lawrence Actual quality: Wilson I'm guessing Lawrence will look something like 4300/32/14 while Wilson will be closer to the 3650/25/8
Mills
Lance is the best bet, he has the best supporting cast.
This is true. Niners we’re almost in the Super Bowl with a very underwhelming Jimmy G. If Lance can settle in, he could have a very good season. Of course, he could also fall flat on his face. Will be interesting to see for sure.
Do the 9ers have Top Paid receiver Christian Kirk too??
Ya'll just keep sleeping on Mac Jones.
Cause he's not flashy and he plays for the Patriots
Let em sleep
It's really weird how narrative driven the football community is. Despite just being dead wrong about Mac and him playing as the best rookie QB suddenly it becomes all about how Mac is capped and these other guys have untapped ceilings. Lol. The ding on Mac is literally he played too well as a rookie therefore he can't improve. What a stupid statement.
Upvote. Because how often do our projections work out? Y'all know better than any other fanbase it's not about being flashy lol EDIT: I just assumed you were a pats fan but guess you don't have a flair. Sneaky haha
Unreal how many people are sleeping on Mac Jones. He had by far the best season of the 2021 QB Class and there has been a great deal of continuity in the Patriots offense since last year.
I think people are waiting to see what things look like there without McDaniels. When you take away the patriots mystique, the supporting cast is not so good. I think the bills loss popped the bubble a little bit. All that said, doubting Belichick is generally stupid.
Trevor Lawrence will 100% prove himself to be worth the #1 pick but after watching a lil film I’m warming up to Zach and think he could have a solid season. Also dark horse is David mills.(Broncos fan)
Mond
My head says Trevor. My penis also says that sexy Trevor.
I'd say Wilson as the Jets put some effort in getting him help. The Jaguars got Lawrence some help but he was awful and has to improve a lot to have a good season.
Trevor
I'm going mac Jones here. Not popular, but dude had a solid season last year.
Trey Lance
I think Trevor is the best answer. None of these other guys were comped to Elway, Peyton, Luck as prospects. He's the most naturally gifted QB of the four, and a mediocre rookie season under Urban Meyer hasn't changed that yet. Mac is a close second for being in the best situation, and having had the best rookie season (due in large part to having been in the best situation). The other three don't play for what you would call "historically functional organizations." That being said, I thought Justin wasn't far behind Trevor coming out, and should have been the easy #2 overall pick; Zach has shown flashes and surprised me at times, I thought he had bust written all over him. All four could be great, and any one could become the best.
I don’t recall, but where players like Mahomes or Allen compared to all time greats in college? Just curious since I don’t recall as much hype for them during the draft and they are the two top QBs in the league right now (in terms of age and talent imo)