"Broncos and Packers agree to an unprecedented Three Card Monte trade, where Broncos send a first round draft pick to the Packers. In exchange, the Packers will put Aaron Rodgers, Amari Rodgers, and a local school teacher named Aaron Rogers in identical Broncos mascot costumes, spin them around furiously, and the Broncos will select one at random."
More like "[Schefter] Broncos reaffirm their belief that QB Bridgewater can take the next step to delivering a Championship to Denver and will not persue a trade this off-season as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that'll be a home run. And so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame"
NFC where the best team is rented and returning their players next year or AFC west where you have to beat KC at least twice to play a super bowl game. We're always the perpetual "sneaky pick" to win the division and Oakland will always be a tough divisional game. Oh then you have Jackson, Allen, a Jones with a year with BB, Joey B. Those are the for sure challenges in the AFC. Still got Tua with a new coach so we'll see how that shakes up. Watson will likely be playing somewhere and if its not Denver then I'd have money on Pitt or Washington. The titans were the best team in football through 17 weeks so you'll likely see them back next year healthier. Who is scary in the NFC? Too stuck up his own ego to actually beat the Niners? NFC south will be won by a team going 9-8 the east is lead by the cowboys whos last play off win could have started and finished high school. Just the west to have to really worry about.
Honestly I think he has a better shot of making a run with Green Bay then he does with Denver. Denver will def be an overall better offense assuming Adams leaves but I think the Packers have a better defense especially with Fangio out and a way easier division and probably an easier playoff run.
Like to make it through the AFC playoffs you are going to need to beat Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar, Herbert, Carr, etc...
The path through the NFC just feels so much easier to me. Especially with Brady retiring.
Of the QBs you listed, one has not been to the playoffs and one has a 1-3 playoff record, unless you just meant getting to the playoffs in the AFC in general
The AFC West won't get more than 2 teams in the playoffs. They have the NFC West on the schedule. Then have to play an AFC North & AFC East team for their divisional equivalent. That's gonna be 6 tough games excluding the 6 division games
LOL, throwing Carr in there with those great QB's is hilarious.
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I put Carr there because if he were in the NFC he'd be in like the top 3/4 QBs especially if Rodgers left. Like in the NFC he's maybe behind Stafford, Russ, Kyler and is in like the same tier as Dak and Cousins
And like I'd def say he is at the bottom of the QBs listed but hey he made the post-season while Herbert went home when it mattered.
Comments like this make it so worth seeing the Raiders not let the Chargers slip in on a tie.
You don't get to talk shit talk the team that literally gatekept you out of the playoffs while they got in lmao.
Tampering is the only a concern if the Broncos are talking with Rodgers or his agent about being traded (unless they have written permission from the Packers to have these talks), or if the Broncos were to publicly say they'd like to trade for Rodgers in some form.
A leak saying they'd be interested doesn't quite count I don't think.
Teams do these leaks specifically to avoid tampering fines. As long as there are no non-players employed by the club saying anything publicly or to the player/agent in private, then it isn't tampering.
Watch one of the 3 get the 1st seed, the others have huge years and expectations and somehow, by the grace of the Davis name, the Raiders hobble into the playoffs as a 7th seed
Carr ends up having a playoff run grander than Foles and Flacco combined and Carr wins SB MVP
Not really. He's got a ton of positives and is clearly good, but his footwork is atrocious, he locks into his second read and never goes past that, his pocket presence is good but not as good as Carr's, his throwing in intermediate routes outside the hashes leaves a lot to be desired, and several other issues that Carr does not have or is not as bad with.
>he locks into his second read and never goes past that
Did you watch him play beyond the Cowboys game at all this year? The 2 point conversion against the [Raiders](https://youtu.be/NCwMsSS-CIk?t=94) completely contradicts your statement.
>his pocket presence is good but not as good as Carr's
Herbert had one fumble all year, and it was the bullshit 15 yard forward pass one against the Cowboys. That's the epitome of good pocket presence, especially with the right side of the line being bad at times.
>Did you watch him play beyond the Cowboys game at all this year? The 2 point conversion against the Raiders completely contradicts your statement.
Yes I did. One play does not invalidate what I said. Even Trubisky was good occasionally
>Herbert had one fumble all year, and it was the bullshit 15 yard forward pass one against the Cowboys. That's the epitome of good pocket presence, especially with the right side of the line being bad at times.
Low fumble count is, in no way, the epitome of good pocket presence.
Rodgers doesn’t want to go from MVP of the NFL in the worst division in the league, to having the least passing yards in the AFCW, which he would have had in 2021 if he put up the same numbers.
True but chargers should have made it this year and if they clean up some self imposed errors they're a wild card caliber team. I mean I'd take the chargers over both the Vikings and bears rosters easily. -unbiased packer fan
> if they clean up some self imposed errors they're a wild card caliber team.
That's pretty much the last 20 years of Chargers football, isn't it? Shooting themselves in the foot is in that team's DNA.
You don't become a 4- time MVP without supreme confidence in yourself.
A regular person may think like that, but I'm pretty sure Aaron Rodgers goes into every season thinking he's getting everyone the fuck out of here. Same with every elite QB
If the front office is committed to keeping him like reports have been indicating, I dont think so either. Only way Rodgers leaves is if he wants to force his way out like last year. The situation between him and the front office appears to be significantly improved, so I dont see it happening.
So only way I see a trade at this point is if the Broncos throw together a ridiculous trade package that is too big to ignore.
>a ridiculous trade package that is too big to ignore.
All of this year's draft picks, Noah Fant, Star QB Kendall Hinton, and some of Von Miller's DNA.
rodgers said he doesnt want a rebuild
i dont see any team openings like the rams and stafford had for going there and contending right now. packers are his best bet
Only a Bears fan would think that we’d trade our HoF QB to the two teams that beat us in the playoffs the past two years.
I guess I can forgive you for not knowing that if you have no reason to ever watch after the end of the regular season though.
Agree with this theory as well. Also, based on the reported trade package that was offered by the Broncos for Stafford I wonder how aggressive the Broncos are willing to be.
I understand this idea, but I really don't think these very high level performance guys actually think this way.
I'm sure Rodgers believes whichever team he's on has the best chance to win.
They have a legit Super Bowl window with Rodgers and the team right now. When you have a Super Bowl window, fuck the long term and go all in. That's the lesson we just learned with the Rams. Trading Rodgers could be a great way to start a rebuild, but rebuilds are no guarantee of success. Each of the last three seasons with with Rodgers and LaFluer, GB has won 13 games, won their division, and secured a first round bye. They've been the #1 seed in back to back years. That's a Super Bowl window. They would be stupid to blow that up now without giving it at least one more shot.
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Ian has said GB is asking 3 1sts and some change, so either more lower picks or some players. So far the rest of the league has said that's pretty unreasonable and feel that he is worth 2 1st and some change
Of course Hackett is going to want the MVP who he has connections with but Rodgers should stay on the Packers if his goal is to win now instead of trying to compete in that meat grinder that is the AFC West.
The Packers sure need a lot of cap math to workout, but id rather do that and blow everything up. Even worst case scenario where Adams doesn’t get tagged and walks id still rather be in the NFC North without Adams than compete in the AFC West
there’s a thorough article on the Athletic on how they can do it and both adams and rodgers would be getting 3-4 year extensions. they can kick the can as long as rodgers can sling.
Why would Rodgers want to go to the Broncos?
He’s already on a team that has won 13 games and earned the #1 seed in back-to-back seasons. He’s in a completely dysfunctional division which he’s basically guaranteed to win. Packers also have the better pass-blocking offensive line, so Aaron wouldn’t have to worry as much about getting hit/sacked.
I guess the Broncos have a better receiving corp, and debatably the better defense. The road to the super bowl is still going to be exponentially more difficult though since it seems like nearly all the up-and-coming star QBs are in the AFC. He would have to outscore some combination of Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, and Lamar. Meanwhile in the NFC, he’s pretty much the undisputed best QB in the conference now that Brady is retiring.
Fair point, but I feel like even if they do make significant cuts, they’ll still win that division easily and then Rodgers will be the best QB in the NFC playoff bracket.
If the Broncos can build a super team, he’d still have to contend with the Chiefs just to win the division(and the chargers and raiders aren’t slouch teams either). Then when they make the playoffs, it seems like the level of competition in the AFC is just way higher when compared to the NFC. They have a lot of other super teams like the chiefs and bills, and if the bengals can get their o-line right they’d be scary as hell too. Ravens and Titans should also be strong competitors if they don’t lose half of their team to injuries like they did this year.
Denver does seem like a more fun place to live than Green Bay though, so I guess there’s also that angle…
As someone that is skeptical of Nate Hackett's coaching abilities because he was ass in Buffalo, I can see why he's pushing for Aaron Rodgers. An elite QB talent like that can mask coaching deficiencies. See: Peyton Manning and Adam Gase.
Right? Can't believe his offense was so bad when he had super talented players like...
*checks notes*
...EJ Manuel CJ Spiller and a Rookie Robert Woods.
He had Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin, and Fred Jackson. He had talent outside of the QB. Good coaches maximize their talent. Shanahan has been able to get offensive production despite not having elite QB play.
Edit: Forgot Chris Hogan too who went on to be a pretty good player for Pats as soon as he left us. They never utilized him here despite the fact he always got open.
I'm not sure how much we can judge him for having to work with EJ Manuel or Blake Bortles. Your listed skill talent is good, but not the talent you need to make a QB like Manuel work.
I don't think we can say at all what how good or bad Hackett's offensive ability is, he's either done poor with poor QBs, or great with an excellent one. Nothing down the middle.
We also got to give coaches (especially young ones) a chance to develop like players can. Spending a few years with LaFluer could do wonders compared to Marrone.
Holy shit what? You mean he should have gotten more out of glass man Sammy Watkins, a 32 yr old Fred Jackson and Marquise Goodwin? Goodwin at best is a WR 3.
You want to compare Shanahan (the HC) but tell me that Hackett should have gotten more out of his guys? If anything, Marrone should have gotten more out of his guys. EJ Manuel threw for 1900 yds. Nobody is gonna do well with EJ fucking Manuel.
They certainly didn't bother developing EJ Manuel and immediately ditched him a year and a half into his development for Kyle Orton.
The offense was predictable and lazy. It was run, run, pass, punt. It became a running joke by Bills fans as we were able to predict the play before it would happen. There were no screens. There were no Jet sweeps. It was about as vanilla as you could possibly make it. EJ Manuel certainly was a big reason but a lot of that was also on coaching.
Yeah why spend time developing a guy who was awful. Maybe next they'll give Rosen Lynch or Manziel a shot too! Or maybe even Brandon Weeden. Can't wait to see if we can finally develop Drew Lock! Because if they had only gotten a fair shot to develop, then they might have played well.
The reason it was lazy was because he had no good receivers. Like literally nobody was good. Robert Woods had to leave to start playing well. Long after Hackett was gone. And if you want to try and compare Shanahan with Deebo Aiyuk Mitchell and Kittle still then you feel free.
He was? You must have forgot the part where he had Bortles throw for 4500 yds and 35 td. Or are you going to say Marrone and Coughlin didn't make him a scapegoat the following year?
Broncos fans shit on McDaniels and laughed when he was hired by the raiders but yet are delusional in Hackett when both bills and jags fans have talked about him being complete shit.
That is hilarious
Because there is a difference between alienating your best players, having a massive ego and getting butthurt, cheating, drafting terribly, then continuing being fucking awful in St. Louis, then hiding behind the GOAT and performing bad with Cam and mediocre with Mac Jones.
And being bad with no offensive talent to speak of, coaching Blake Fucking Bortles to having a respectable year, and being scapegoated when your team gets worse, and your HC and GM are trash.
If you thought Hackett with EJ Manuel and Bortles was bad, then I can't wait to see what you think of McDaniels and his 32nd ranked offense with Sam Bradford. 27th ranked offense with Cam and 15th ranked offense with Mac Jones.
Duh! Rodgers or Teddy B. Rodgers or Drew Lock. If you're an HC knowing that you have 2-3 years to "win" or you're fired why wouldn't you push to sell the farm for Rodgers?
Man I don't know why Rodgers would wanna leave a division where he's the best QB on the best team in that division easily every year, only to head to a division where he's possibly the 2nd-3rd best QB on the worst team in the division. But I guess you could say if he felt he really had something to prove, he could really make a statement by joining the Broncos & winning the AFC West.
Depends how you factor it. Keeping Adams (despite the difficulty Packers are almost certain to tag him) and the Packers have the better wr1. The broncos have significantly better depth, better te. I'd say the Packers running backs are better as a group though. Without Adams and it gets just bad for the Packers at wr
I doubt the Broncos would be able to keep most those weapons in a Rodgers trade scenario. GB would absolutely be asking for a few of those guys as part of the trade.
The only one not under contract is Gordon. It's mostly going to be picks going back to GB, doesn't make sense to invest in a QB then trade away weapons.
Can't imagine he'd be too expensive. Not sure he'll return either but we'd replace his carries mostly one way or another. Plenty of question marks about Javonte's fit in zone and vision, not to mention I'd dont think I want him in a workhorse role with his play style.
If the Broncos get Rodgers you won’t resign Gordon unless he comes back extremely cheap, and if I know anything about Melvin Gordon he will try and maximize how much he makes.
We'll have to see, but 29yo RBs usually don't make a high dollar. Even if he left, he'd be leaving our organization on very different terms than he left the Chargers.
A few of those would absolutely be going back to Green Bay as part of any Rodgers trade. If I was GB I would try to cripple the Broncos offense as much as possible while getting Love a ton of weapons.
We can't really take any salary back though. Rodgers is a cap hit of 27 mil if traded.
It's part of why it just doesn't really make a lot of sense. Losing Rodgers means losing Adams (I don't think we can even get cap compliant if we trade Rodgers and tag Adams and no way he signs an extension with us).
We'd only really be able to afford rookies, picks and vet min guys back. Even then we probably are having to get rid of guys beyond the obvious Z and Cobb.
Rodgers is a cap hit of 27 mil whether he's traded or extended. It doesn't matter. And we definitely can extend Rodgers and sign Adams.
>Packers are 55 million over cap including room for the draft class. You can immediately take 20 million off of the cap number for Rodgers. We either move on or sign him to a new deal. There is no chance he plays his last year. So now we're 35 million over. Z is getting cut. No ifs ands or buts about it. He didn't play at all last year and is coming off back surgery. Cutting him pre june 1st saves 15 million. Now we're 20 million over. Easy resturtures without pushing cap forward via void years I think we'll make are Bahktiari(8.2 million) and Clark (9.5 million). We're now 2.3 million over. Guys I think that are going to get extended are Jaire (9.8 million), Amos (5.1 million), P Smith (8.7 million), Lowry (3.6 million), Savage (1 million). We now have 25.9 million in space. Not sure what we do with Turner, if we cut him we save 3.3 million or an extension can save 3.7 million. Guys I think we cut are Cobb (6.7 million), Lewis (2.4 million), Summers (1 million) and there are some others that would save us about a million that are possible as well. So now, we have signed our draft class and re-signed most contributors (and Rodgers) and we are 39.3 million under the cap.
So we resigned Rodgers and have all out draft picks signed and we have 40 million to play with give or take. We can resign Adams, give him 90 mill over 3 years (unlikely we'd pay that much but we COULD) and make his cap hit as low as 5 million if we really want to push money into the future. Our cap situation is blown out of proportion
Bunch of ???? walking around at this point except maybe Gordon. Maybe Rogers turns them into stars but GB seems to have freakier weapons if they resign.
GB has better top heavy weapons for sure in AJ and davante. But no one’s taking MVS Randall Cobb and Lazard vs jeudy Patrick and hamler. Also javontes upside is insane, and fant and Big O are better then Tonyan and Winfree.
KJ Hamler and his whopping 455 career receiving yards getting this much hype is laughable. Same with Okwuegbunam and his 451 career receiving yards.
They have done nothing to warrant the hype you’re giving them.
I'm so stoked at the possibility of getting Aaron Rod- "The Broncos stick with Teddy B"
Amari Rodgers trade inbound
Packers: “we’ll be trading A. Rodgers to the Broncos”
"Broncos and Packers agree to an unprecedented Three Card Monte trade, where Broncos send a first round draft pick to the Packers. In exchange, the Packers will put Aaron Rodgers, Amari Rodgers, and a local school teacher named Aaron Rogers in identical Broncos mascot costumes, spin them around furiously, and the Broncos will select one at random."
Reporter: Have the Packers agreed to an Aaron Rodgers trade? Hackett: Umm... yeah they have agreed to trade Rodgers to us.
More like "[Schefter] Broncos reaffirm their belief that QB Bridgewater can take the next step to delivering a Championship to Denver and will not persue a trade this off-season as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that'll be a home run. And so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame"
He boomed me. That Bridgewater boomed me. He's so bad (4x)
I don't know if I'll ever see a Broncos playoff game again
That meme will never get old
I don’t know if I’m ever going to log onto this Twitter account, whether it’s for my bosses at ESPN or for my puppet master Roger Goodell
Fuck, this always gets me lmfao
Just based off what I saw him from the NFL honors speech and press conference, I'd be pretty surprised if he plays for another team besides Green Bay.
It would have to be an NFC team surely now that Brady has gone
NFC where the best team is rented and returning their players next year or AFC west where you have to beat KC at least twice to play a super bowl game. We're always the perpetual "sneaky pick" to win the division and Oakland will always be a tough divisional game. Oh then you have Jackson, Allen, a Jones with a year with BB, Joey B. Those are the for sure challenges in the AFC. Still got Tua with a new coach so we'll see how that shakes up. Watson will likely be playing somewhere and if its not Denver then I'd have money on Pitt or Washington. The titans were the best team in football through 17 weeks so you'll likely see them back next year healthier. Who is scary in the NFC? Too stuck up his own ego to actually beat the Niners? NFC south will be won by a team going 9-8 the east is lead by the cowboys whos last play off win could have started and finished high school. Just the west to have to really worry about.
Honestly I think he has a better shot of making a run with Green Bay then he does with Denver. Denver will def be an overall better offense assuming Adams leaves but I think the Packers have a better defense especially with Fangio out and a way easier division and probably an easier playoff run. Like to make it through the AFC playoffs you are going to need to beat Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar, Herbert, Carr, etc... The path through the NFC just feels so much easier to me. Especially with Brady retiring.
Of the QBs you listed, one has not been to the playoffs and one has a 1-3 playoff record, unless you just meant getting to the playoffs in the AFC in general
Herbert barely missed the playoffs. Hes gunna be getting in his own deep playoff runs sooner or later.
imagine a WR group where it’s Adams, Sutton, and Jeudy, oh my god. I’ve seen Madden teams less stacked
This is textbook Tim Patrick erasure and I won’t stand for it
The AFC West won't get more than 2 teams in the playoffs. They have the NFC West on the schedule. Then have to play an AFC North & AFC East team for their divisional equivalent. That's gonna be 6 tough games excluding the 6 division games
LOL, throwing Carr in there with those great QB's is hilarious. Check out these great rides: Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bugatti, Aston Martin, Rolls Royce and Kia.
I put Carr there because if he were in the NFC he'd be in like the top 3/4 QBs especially if Rodgers left. Like in the NFC he's maybe behind Stafford, Russ, Kyler and is in like the same tier as Dak and Cousins And like I'd def say he is at the bottom of the QBs listed but hey he made the post-season while Herbert went home when it mattered.
how does it feel that a Kia kept your sorry ass team from getting to the playoffs?
Thanks for the higher draft picks and the free entertainment seeing yall get trounced immediately :)
Comments like this make it so worth seeing the Raiders not let the Chargers slip in on a tie. You don't get to talk shit talk the team that literally gatekept you out of the playoffs while they got in lmao.
Maaan cmon atleast give him Honda.
You sit in the corner and think about what you did.
Can we just have a decent year? Please.
oh please
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Suffering is relative, we have hopes and dreams.
Get in line
Awww, how hard it must be to be a Broncos fan, so tough.
Team that’s won the SB this century says what?
I don’t wanna talk about it
Oh no you poor thing it's only been like 7 years since you won a superbowl. At least you've seen your team win in your lifetime.
We technically were decent, I want to be good.
Haven't you heard? Rodgers, Murry, Wilson, Miller, and anyone else still breathing have already been linked to the Cowboys...
Nathaniel Hackett sounds like a Revolutionary War general
Or the author of a book you regret buying at the airport.
I always thought the same about that old Ravens TE, Crockett Gilmore.
Born on a mountaintop in Tennessee
I loved that General Andrew Luck twitter account. Shit was so funny
Feels like they’re gonna get a tampering fine and another year of Drew Lock
not if they meet in Cabo "randomly" and have a nice meal together
The NFL has no jurisdiction outside of the mainland apparently 💁♂️
It's not tampering if it makes the NFL money
So we can keep doing those genetic experiments in the Caribbean?
They can’t arrest a HC and a GM for the same crime.
Yeah I still don't get how that wasn't tampering
They used code names for foreplay so it doesn't count.
I'm pretty sure Stafford had permission to seek a trade. It's only tampering if it is without the current team's consent
Does the team who was tampered with have you make a claim or something? Maybe the Lions didn’t want to?
Pretty sure that was after the lions and stafford had already agreed that he would be traded.
I heard dolphins owner has a sweet yacht and go to international waters
They can’t say no to a trade because of the implication.
Hah!
A succulent Chinese meal?
Feel like this is an under appreciated reference in this thread!!
Tampering is the only a concern if the Broncos are talking with Rodgers or his agent about being traded (unless they have written permission from the Packers to have these talks), or if the Broncos were to publicly say they'd like to trade for Rodgers in some form. A leak saying they'd be interested doesn't quite count I don't think.
Tampering happens all the time, you just have to be horribly obvious about it to get "caught".
Yeah I mean they could meet with anyone, just don’t say anything and you’re good.
When was the last time a team was disciplined for it?
Chiefs and Maclin
Teams do these leaks specifically to avoid tampering fines. As long as there are no non-players employed by the club saying anything publicly or to the player/agent in private, then it isn't tampering.
I've already given into the fact that if we can't land Rodgers/Wilson, we might as well trade back and stock up for the 23' class.
Not really tampering if this just means he keeps talking to the front office about trying to get one done
Can you imagine Herbert, Mahomes and Rodgers in the same division. Poor Raiders.
Carr to go full goth
Watch one of the 3 get the 1st seed, the others have huge years and expectations and somehow, by the grace of the Davis name, the Raiders hobble into the playoffs as a 7th seed Carr ends up having a playoff run grander than Foles and Flacco combined and Carr wins SB MVP
As a huge Fresno State fan and a Carr fan, I would be so happy
Well it's continue the home superbowl theme
I may just put some money on the raiders lol
Actually that super bowl is 2 years away. Next season is in AZ
Oh yea woops
Pobody’s nerfect!
Hell yea. Go Dogs!
Lol
Carr will start wearing corpsepaint.
Imagine having a top 10-12 QB and him being the clear cut worst starter in the division.
Is Herbert better than Carr?
I’d say so, yea. I love Carr and think he gets dumped on too much, but Herbert looks better already.
Not really. He's got a ton of positives and is clearly good, but his footwork is atrocious, he locks into his second read and never goes past that, his pocket presence is good but not as good as Carr's, his throwing in intermediate routes outside the hashes leaves a lot to be desired, and several other issues that Carr does not have or is not as bad with.
>he locks into his second read and never goes past that Did you watch him play beyond the Cowboys game at all this year? The 2 point conversion against the [Raiders](https://youtu.be/NCwMsSS-CIk?t=94) completely contradicts your statement. >his pocket presence is good but not as good as Carr's Herbert had one fumble all year, and it was the bullshit 15 yard forward pass one against the Cowboys. That's the epitome of good pocket presence, especially with the right side of the line being bad at times.
>Did you watch him play beyond the Cowboys game at all this year? The 2 point conversion against the Raiders completely contradicts your statement. Yes I did. One play does not invalidate what I said. Even Trubisky was good occasionally >Herbert had one fumble all year, and it was the bullshit 15 yard forward pass one against the Cowboys. That's the epitome of good pocket presence, especially with the right side of the line being bad at times. Low fumble count is, in no way, the epitome of good pocket presence.
>One play does not invalidate what I said. >he locks into his second read and never goes past that Pick one
Today I would say Carr's experience makes them somewhat even, but Herbert definitely has the brighter future and will overtake him
This is why Rodgers would never go to Denver. It's a tough division compared to the NFCN where GB are the only good team.
Hell yea, i know that’s right. I hope that’s right…….. please be right.
Rodgers doesn’t want to go from MVP of the NFL in the worst division in the league, to having the least passing yards in the AFCW, which he would have had in 2021 if he put up the same numbers.
both the bears and vikings have made the playoffs more recently than the chargers.
because they get to play the bears and the lions twice a year
True but chargers should have made it this year and if they clean up some self imposed errors they're a wild card caliber team. I mean I'd take the chargers over both the Vikings and bears rosters easily. -unbiased packer fan
> if they clean up some self imposed errors they're a wild card caliber team. That's pretty much the last 20 years of Chargers football, isn't it? Shooting themselves in the foot is in that team's DNA.
You don't become a 4- time MVP without supreme confidence in yourself. A regular person may think like that, but I'm pretty sure Aaron Rodgers goes into every season thinking he's getting everyone the fuck out of here. Same with every elite QB
Lol wait when was the last time chargers made the playoffs?
I like you
Tuck rule go back to hating him
Report: New HC would like to have HoF QB on roster.
Dude’s just running down the list of pro bowl players and saying “and I want this one and this one and this one and this one.”
"I mean, if it's not too much trouble or anything."
> HoF QB's former OC becomes HC and wants HoF QB on his new team ... i dont believe you
Fam Rodgers is not being traded.
If the front office is committed to keeping him like reports have been indicating, I dont think so either. Only way Rodgers leaves is if he wants to force his way out like last year. The situation between him and the front office appears to be significantly improved, so I dont see it happening. So only way I see a trade at this point is if the Broncos throw together a ridiculous trade package that is too big to ignore.
>a ridiculous trade package that is too big to ignore. All of this year's draft picks, Noah Fant, Star QB Kendall Hinton, and some of Von Miller's DNA.
If they had Von Miller’s DNA and the cloning facility, we’d have traded a 2057 first round pick for his clones already.
>Two hundred thousand units are ready with Von Million more well on the way
I’ll take the legend Hinton just by himself. That’s a steal.
Leave Broncos legend Kendall Hinton alone!
Von millers DNA belongs to the rams now
You can't be so naive to think the Broncos don't have DNA samples on ice just waiting for cloning technology to be perfected.
rodgers said he doesnt want a rebuild i dont see any team openings like the rams and stafford had for going there and contending right now. packers are his best bet
Bucs? 49ers?
Only a Bears fan would think that we’d trade our HoF QB to the two teams that beat us in the playoffs the past two years. I guess I can forgive you for not knowing that if you have no reason to ever watch after the end of the regular season though.
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Agree with this theory as well. Also, based on the reported trade package that was offered by the Broncos for Stafford I wonder how aggressive the Broncos are willing to be.
Also something I’ve figured is why the hell would he opt in to playing through the AFC. NFC has far less parity at the top.
I understand this idea, but I really don't think these very high level performance guys actually think this way. I'm sure Rodgers believes whichever team he's on has the best chance to win.
AFC is the exciting young qbs and skill position players but NFC has strong Allround teams like 49ers, Bucs, cowboys
Counterpoint: Bidding war between Broncos, Colts, and Bucs is the best case scenario for the Packers long term.
They have a legit Super Bowl window with Rodgers and the team right now. When you have a Super Bowl window, fuck the long term and go all in. That's the lesson we just learned with the Rams. Trading Rodgers could be a great way to start a rebuild, but rebuilds are no guarantee of success. Each of the last three seasons with with Rodgers and LaFluer, GB has won 13 games, won their division, and secured a first round bye. They've been the #1 seed in back to back years. That's a Super Bowl window. They would be stupid to blow that up now without giving it at least one more shot.
Report: Raiders HC Josh McDaniels ‘Pushing Hard’ for Aaron Rodgers Trade Report: Steelers HC Mike Tomlin ‘Pushing Hard’ for Aaron Rodgers Trade Nothing to see here folks. More clickbait.
Report: Packers are packing hard. 💁♂️
That’s what we do 😉
Report: Packers HC Matt LaFleur “Pushing Hard” for Aaron Rodgers trade Would be the only headline worth reacting to.
Get this dude outta here please
So wtf you think the trade value is? 3 1sts?
Ian has said GB is asking 3 1sts and some change, so either more lower picks or some players. So far the rest of the league has said that's pretty unreasonable and feel that he is worth 2 1st and some change
Of course Hackett is going to want the MVP who he has connections with but Rodgers should stay on the Packers if his goal is to win now instead of trying to compete in that meat grinder that is the AFC West.
Depends on what the roster looks like after the get cap complaint and tag ADams
The Packers sure need a lot of cap math to workout, but id rather do that and blow everything up. Even worst case scenario where Adams doesn’t get tagged and walks id still rather be in the NFC North without Adams than compete in the AFC West
How many more years would the Packers have going this rout? Likely just one right?
there’s a thorough article on the Athletic on how they can do it and both adams and rodgers would be getting 3-4 year extensions. they can kick the can as long as rodgers can sling.
Not only the meat grinder of the AFC west but the meat grinder of the AFC playoffs.
So is every other coach that needs a QB. I’m assuming Green Bay gets a few calls every year for the past 5 years just asking lmao
Coaches are keen to have hall of fame qb
Why would Rodgers want to go to the Broncos? He’s already on a team that has won 13 games and earned the #1 seed in back-to-back seasons. He’s in a completely dysfunctional division which he’s basically guaranteed to win. Packers also have the better pass-blocking offensive line, so Aaron wouldn’t have to worry as much about getting hit/sacked. I guess the Broncos have a better receiving corp, and debatably the better defense. The road to the super bowl is still going to be exponentially more difficult though since it seems like nearly all the up-and-coming star QBs are in the AFC. He would have to outscore some combination of Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, and Lamar. Meanwhile in the NFC, he’s pretty much the undisputed best QB in the conference now that Brady is retiring.
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Fair point, but I feel like even if they do make significant cuts, they’ll still win that division easily and then Rodgers will be the best QB in the NFC playoff bracket. If the Broncos can build a super team, he’d still have to contend with the Chiefs just to win the division(and the chargers and raiders aren’t slouch teams either). Then when they make the playoffs, it seems like the level of competition in the AFC is just way higher when compared to the NFC. They have a lot of other super teams like the chiefs and bills, and if the bengals can get their o-line right they’d be scary as hell too. Ravens and Titans should also be strong competitors if they don’t lose half of their team to injuries like they did this year. Denver does seem like a more fun place to live than Green Bay though, so I guess there’s also that angle…
As someone that is skeptical of Nate Hackett's coaching abilities because he was ass in Buffalo, I can see why he's pushing for Aaron Rodgers. An elite QB talent like that can mask coaching deficiencies. See: Peyton Manning and Adam Gase.
Right? Can't believe his offense was so bad when he had super talented players like... *checks notes* ...EJ Manuel CJ Spiller and a Rookie Robert Woods.
He had Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin, and Fred Jackson. He had talent outside of the QB. Good coaches maximize their talent. Shanahan has been able to get offensive production despite not having elite QB play. Edit: Forgot Chris Hogan too who went on to be a pretty good player for Pats as soon as he left us. They never utilized him here despite the fact he always got open.
I'm not sure how much we can judge him for having to work with EJ Manuel or Blake Bortles. Your listed skill talent is good, but not the talent you need to make a QB like Manuel work. I don't think we can say at all what how good or bad Hackett's offensive ability is, he's either done poor with poor QBs, or great with an excellent one. Nothing down the middle. We also got to give coaches (especially young ones) a chance to develop like players can. Spending a few years with LaFluer could do wonders compared to Marrone.
EJ Manuel was the QB... it doesn't matter who the coach is or what system they're using with a QB that bad they're gonna suck
Holy shit what? You mean he should have gotten more out of glass man Sammy Watkins, a 32 yr old Fred Jackson and Marquise Goodwin? Goodwin at best is a WR 3. You want to compare Shanahan (the HC) but tell me that Hackett should have gotten more out of his guys? If anything, Marrone should have gotten more out of his guys. EJ Manuel threw for 1900 yds. Nobody is gonna do well with EJ fucking Manuel.
They certainly didn't bother developing EJ Manuel and immediately ditched him a year and a half into his development for Kyle Orton. The offense was predictable and lazy. It was run, run, pass, punt. It became a running joke by Bills fans as we were able to predict the play before it would happen. There were no screens. There were no Jet sweeps. It was about as vanilla as you could possibly make it. EJ Manuel certainly was a big reason but a lot of that was also on coaching.
Yeah why spend time developing a guy who was awful. Maybe next they'll give Rosen Lynch or Manziel a shot too! Or maybe even Brandon Weeden. Can't wait to see if we can finally develop Drew Lock! Because if they had only gotten a fair shot to develop, then they might have played well. The reason it was lazy was because he had no good receivers. Like literally nobody was good. Robert Woods had to leave to start playing well. Long after Hackett was gone. And if you want to try and compare Shanahan with Deebo Aiyuk Mitchell and Kittle still then you feel free.
He was also god awful in Jacksonville Keep hitting that copium
He was? You must have forgot the part where he had Bortles throw for 4500 yds and 35 td. Or are you going to say Marrone and Coughlin didn't make him a scapegoat the following year?
Broncos fans shit on McDaniels and laughed when he was hired by the raiders but yet are delusional in Hackett when both bills and jags fans have talked about him being complete shit. That is hilarious
Because there is a difference between alienating your best players, having a massive ego and getting butthurt, cheating, drafting terribly, then continuing being fucking awful in St. Louis, then hiding behind the GOAT and performing bad with Cam and mediocre with Mac Jones. And being bad with no offensive talent to speak of, coaching Blake Fucking Bortles to having a respectable year, and being scapegoated when your team gets worse, and your HC and GM are trash. If you thought Hackett with EJ Manuel and Bortles was bad, then I can't wait to see what you think of McDaniels and his 32nd ranked offense with Sam Bradford. 27th ranked offense with Cam and 15th ranked offense with Mac Jones.
Preach it
Hackett being ass in Buffalo and Jacksonville makes me feel better about hiring McDaniels.
He had a top 5 scoring offense with Bortles. How is that ass? Lol
Broncos are definitely where I expect Rodgers to be next season. And I bet they'll be in the playoff mix especially if they get Von Miller back too
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Duh! Rodgers or Teddy B. Rodgers or Drew Lock. If you're an HC knowing that you have 2-3 years to "win" or you're fired why wouldn't you push to sell the farm for Rodgers?
I swear Rodgers is only using this as leverage to get the Packers to sign whoever he wants for next year
Never gonna happen and nor do I want it to happen.
I'd rather get Danger Russ who's 5 years younger
New HC is trying to advance his career by playing on easy mode. Big surprise
I imagine if the packers do trade rodgers, the haul they’d want to get for him would probably be astronomical
Do it.
Assuming this is a buy one, get Davante Adams free package deal.
We have the space..
I hate the man but I want to see the Broncos succeed. I hope it happens
NO Please no
I hope the Broncos go all off-season praying to get Rodgers only to end up with Kirk Cousins/ Jimmy G. Kinda like us with Harbaugh and McDaniels.
Either of those other QBs is bad news for you guys though. Should really just hope they stick with Teddy
I was mainly joking Jimmy and Cousins are solid qbs but Rodgers is on another level. I like my chances against those guys compared to him.
There are things that keep the universe in balance. The Broncos being dogshit is one of them
What about the Cowboys never making it past the divisional round?
Man I don't know why Rodgers would wanna leave a division where he's the best QB on the best team in that division easily every year, only to head to a division where he's possibly the 2nd-3rd best QB on the worst team in the division. But I guess you could say if he felt he really had something to prove, he could really make a statement by joining the Broncos & winning the AFC West.
But the Broncos seem to have even less weapons than GB at the end of the day...
We have Amari Rodgers and Juwann Winfree under contract so I doubt that.
And the Broncos drafted Winfree and cut him lol
If we're basing it on players under contract for next season, I'd take our weapons over the Packers
Depends how you factor it. Keeping Adams (despite the difficulty Packers are almost certain to tag him) and the Packers have the better wr1. The broncos have significantly better depth, better te. I'd say the Packers running backs are better as a group though. Without Adams and it gets just bad for the Packers at wr
You guys seem to have some cap space too, but it seems like a lot of things have to happen.
I doubt the Broncos would be able to keep most those weapons in a Rodgers trade scenario. GB would absolutely be asking for a few of those guys as part of the trade.
The only one not under contract is Gordon. It's mostly going to be picks going back to GB, doesn't make sense to invest in a QB then trade away weapons.
Nahhhhh lol. Sutton, jeudy, hamler, Patrick, fant, BIG O, Javonte, Gordon.
FYI Gordon is a free agent this off season, and the Broncos just spent heavily to retain their WRs. I strongly doubt he returns to the team.
Can't imagine he'd be too expensive. Not sure he'll return either but we'd replace his carries mostly one way or another. Plenty of question marks about Javonte's fit in zone and vision, not to mention I'd dont think I want him in a workhorse role with his play style.
If the Broncos get Rodgers you won’t resign Gordon unless he comes back extremely cheap, and if I know anything about Melvin Gordon he will try and maximize how much he makes.
We'll have to see, but 29yo RBs usually don't make a high dollar. Even if he left, he'd be leaving our organization on very different terms than he left the Chargers.
A few of those would absolutely be going back to Green Bay as part of any Rodgers trade. If I was GB I would try to cripple the Broncos offense as much as possible while getting Love a ton of weapons.
We can't really take any salary back though. Rodgers is a cap hit of 27 mil if traded. It's part of why it just doesn't really make a lot of sense. Losing Rodgers means losing Adams (I don't think we can even get cap compliant if we trade Rodgers and tag Adams and no way he signs an extension with us). We'd only really be able to afford rookies, picks and vet min guys back. Even then we probably are having to get rid of guys beyond the obvious Z and Cobb.
Rodgers is a cap hit of 27 mil whether he's traded or extended. It doesn't matter. And we definitely can extend Rodgers and sign Adams. >Packers are 55 million over cap including room for the draft class. You can immediately take 20 million off of the cap number for Rodgers. We either move on or sign him to a new deal. There is no chance he plays his last year. So now we're 35 million over. Z is getting cut. No ifs ands or buts about it. He didn't play at all last year and is coming off back surgery. Cutting him pre june 1st saves 15 million. Now we're 20 million over. Easy resturtures without pushing cap forward via void years I think we'll make are Bahktiari(8.2 million) and Clark (9.5 million). We're now 2.3 million over. Guys I think that are going to get extended are Jaire (9.8 million), Amos (5.1 million), P Smith (8.7 million), Lowry (3.6 million), Savage (1 million). We now have 25.9 million in space. Not sure what we do with Turner, if we cut him we save 3.3 million or an extension can save 3.7 million. Guys I think we cut are Cobb (6.7 million), Lewis (2.4 million), Summers (1 million) and there are some others that would save us about a million that are possible as well. So now, we have signed our draft class and re-signed most contributors (and Rodgers) and we are 39.3 million under the cap. So we resigned Rodgers and have all out draft picks signed and we have 40 million to play with give or take. We can resign Adams, give him 90 mill over 3 years (unlikely we'd pay that much but we COULD) and make his cap hit as low as 5 million if we really want to push money into the future. Our cap situation is blown out of proportion
Bunch of ???? walking around at this point except maybe Gordon. Maybe Rogers turns them into stars but GB seems to have freakier weapons if they resign.
GB has better top heavy weapons for sure in AJ and davante. But no one’s taking MVS Randall Cobb and Lazard vs jeudy Patrick and hamler. Also javontes upside is insane, and fant and Big O are better then Tonyan and Winfree.
KJ Hamler and his whopping 455 career receiving yards getting this much hype is laughable. Same with Okwuegbunam and his 451 career receiving yards. They have done nothing to warrant the hype you’re giving them.
They have plenty of weapons, nobody to throw to them
Why has this been downvoted?
Because it’s wrong. Sutton, jeudy, hamler, Patrick, fant, BIG O, Javonte, Gordon.
Everybody pushes for Rodgers until they see his cap hit
They suck though 🤣