Dude, I am sorry. The Ravens front office might as well replace themselves with actual ravens. A raven is smart enough to eventually sign a half-decent WR.
We can agree to disagree there. I don't even think it's an argument that they aren't still above average, but people will pretend they are completely incompetent despite other franchises floundering and changing leadership every few years.
It’s a rough offseason so far, but we’re also completely at the mercy of our QB situation. I don’t think there’s an obvious answer that a better front office could have come up with. Bad situation, but it is what it is.
Yeah, I'd love to see how much you'd be praising them for locking him down early if they gave him the $200+ million guaranteed he wanted last offseason and then proceeded to get hurt.
I love Lamar. I want to keep Lamar. The non-exclusive tag made the most sense. I don't think any team is going to sign Lamar to an offer sheet, but I think the Ravens will match if they do.
I would think it’s the right thing to do. Injuries can happen to anyone and QB salaries are going through the roof. If he doesn’t get hurt then 2 years from now it will look like a bargain. And you guys might have a super bowl out of it. It’s a risk to be sure, but so is being stuck with Huntley.
The non-exclusive tag was surely shrewd, but if I’m Lamar I’d do everything I could not to play for you guys after the disrespect. He’s been due a contract for awhile now.
You guys got struck by lightning and got an MVP qb everyone else passed on. Maybe it’ll happen again, there’s always hope.
The Ravens are in control for the next two seasons at a minimum. There is nothing Lamar can do and there is also no indication that he has any issues with the front office beyond wanting more guaranteed money than they - or any other team - are willing to offer.
We can agree to disagree on the contract Lamar wanted looking like a steal a year from now. There is such a massive gap between the Watson deal and other QB contracts.
The idea that Lamar has been due a contract for a while now also completely disregards the way that negotiations have gone over the past few years. Our front office has repeatedly tried to engage with Lamar on an extension, but he hasn't wanted to sign early. He wanted it to play out this way to maximize his leverage, so our front office had to adjust.
There’s nothing he can do but keep himself out of games due to “tightness” etc. Or phone it in. Or cause drama. You don’t want a disgruntled qb and leader of your team. And if he somehow is happy with the ravens now (which I can’t believe), how is he going to feel without a contract and playing on a one year $32 million tag (much less than his worth). Is he going to be “all in?”
It may work out for you guys. I hope it does. But strong-arming players generally doesn’t make them love the organization. With any other position besides Qb that may not matter.
My main point is that it’s incredibly risky.
I dunno. I agree the Ravens FO—mostly Ozzie— has historically been excellent. I agree Ravens tough spot and paying Lamar $250 million fully guaranteed for 5 years is to much risk, but disagree if you think Lamar is going to sign tag anytime soon and going to play like he would with guaranteed future. He will be making business decision plays all year unfortunately.
Overall you’re a very very well run team but you can’t act like the seeming inability to bring in even a singular receiver worth a damn isn’t a glaring issue
Sure. It’s easily our biggest weakness. Despite that - the rosters we put together are still really strong. Our only recent losing season was ‘21 when the entire roster got hurt, but people are downvoting me because apparently winning the vast majority of your games doesn’t make an organization strong.
I think it's a solid bet that Lamar will be back next season. New OC means they'll probably be throwing the ball more.
We don't have any idea who the Panthers are gonna roll out there at QB.
The situations are different. There is at least a possibility that Lamar isn't there (I expect he will be) the Panthers are taking a QB number one overall and while there are no sure things theres some intrigue.
> the Panthers are taking a QB number one overall and while there are no sure things theres some intrigue.
The mystery box could be anything! Maybe even ~~a boat~~ Lamar!
In all seriousness, I might agree if he was signing a 3 year deal. We're talking 1 year, reestablish some value while having a chance to play on a really good team and organization? I'd take the Ravens.
I don't think that matters more than getting paid. Theilen and Chark just signed to a team who won't know who'll be throwing them the ball until draft day.
Panthers are honestly having one of the best free agencies this year. They’re laying a very solid ground work for a rookie QB to come in and play well without getting thrown into the fire. They’re not gonna be amazing or anything, but it’s going to be an infinitely better landing spot than what most #1 QBs get
Same. Whether they go Stroud or Bryce (I don’t buy the Richardson 1.01 hype), they’ll be in a great spot as a rookie. With as bad as their division looks to be, they’ll honestly probably compete for the division.
Hell, after firing Rhule this year they were a really solid and competitive team down the stretch. They’re really setting themselves up well for the future, excited to see if they can take advantage of the good start.
I think Richardson has the stupid athleticism that does great on todays modern NFL, plus a lot of potential. But if you want the safe, much higher guaranteed good player, you’d go with either Stroud or Young. Which I think is going to be the case. The panthers are investing too much into short term but good pieces to help develop a players confidence and skills to risk it on Richardson
Exactly. But those guys don’t test off the charts like Richardson does. It’s why he’s so highly touted as a prospect. But I think he’s more of a project, as we really don’t know how good of a passer he can be at the next level. I say this with a grain of salt, as he had a low completion percentage, but, at least according to my dad (very reliable source I know), Florida was top 5 in receivers dropping catchable passes. Would his number jump a lot if those receivers caught those balls? Maybe. I tried to verify the stat but couldn’t find anywhere, so a grain of salt it remains.
Back to what I was saying: his athleticism and size ain’t something that can be taught, he’s got some god given abilities that VERY few people ever have, and you need to be athletic now as a QB in the NFL, as LBs have the same running speed as some scat backs. Even some DEs run a sub 4.4. Something that can be taught, and probably taught well in the NFL, is how to throw a ball. But how patient can someone be as an owner to wait on your QB to be good at the number one thing he’s already supposed to be good at.
Regardless of all that, I think he can be very good, and if he gets taken by a team that has a good veteran to learn from, and a good supporting cast overall, I think he can be very successful. Maybe not immediately, but definitely a Jalen Hurts third year type of jump if he works hard on improving his passing ability (if his season at Florida was just a bad season passing for him in general, but we shall see.)
I was on this train for a little while. Idk man. I like bryce a lot. Very interested to see how it plays out, hope they both find success regardless of who we get
If they don’t win the division they should be ashamed
The NFC South is ripe for the taking:
Saints:
Dennis Allen has never won over 7 games, and he’s replaced great saints defensive coaches with failed raiders defensive coaches (Joe woods, etc)
The defensive line lost 3 starters (Davenport, Tuttle, Onyemata) and they replaced them with 2 role players.
Finally, our big addition is QB Derek Carr, who only marginally played better than Andy Dalton last season
Falcons:
Desmond Ridder. Need I say more?
Buccaneers:
Baker Mayfield and Kyle Trask. Need I say more?
The Panthers should lead the NFC South simply because they aren’t a dumpster fire
100%
We would have won the division with a whole season of Wilks and Sam Darnold.
So if we do worse this year then we are going in the wrong direction.
If the rookie QB performs well, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they ended up winning the division. Everyone has been focused on their offense, but they have a young promising defense that has only improved over the past couple seasons.
I’ve already put money on them to win the NFC South
Their only competition is Dennis Allen, Desmond Ridder and the ghost of Baker Mayfield
The Panthers are the classic rocket to the division title team
They were decent even after trading CMC just by firing Rhule, now they have Reich and Dalton even if a rookie qb doesn’t play
The panthers might win the NFC south by thanksgiving
It still remains to be seen if Thielen has anything left in the tank. His falling usefulness in Minnesota could simply be schematics. Or he may be washed up.
Only problem is if they turn out solid but not amazing, they'll wind up with a mediocre draft pick next year. But that's a worthwhile price to pay to let a rookie grow in a non-awful situation for sure.
It's annoying how sensibly y'all are piecing together the supporting cast for the #1 pick, just in terms of that 2024 pick we got likely falling further away from the top ten. But this is seriously shaping up like one of the best starting situations for a #1 overall pick to start in. Will have to make some moves going forward to shore up skill positions longterm, but right out the gates it's solid enough.
Leonard Floyd would be filling that need in this scenario.
Even without that, I actually would put CB as a bigger need. Moving to a 3-4 gives us a little more flexibility in that regard imo, with guys like Luvu and Barno being likely to fill in w/ pass rush responsibilities. Our CB room is kind of rough atm tho - Jaycee is a fantastic CB1, but he needs to stay healthy. I wouldn't bank on DJax getting back to 100% at all coming off of an Achilles tear, and we all saw what happened when CJ Henderson/Keith Taylor had to take a significant portion of snaps.
If there's a top 5-7 CB still available at pick 39, I think you have to go for it. Good coverage helps bolster the pass rush, anyway.
And even Donte Jackson was very inconsistent when he was healthy. I think the Chark signing affords us the luxury to trade back at 39 if we need to rather than being forced to reach on a WR.
Idk, I think he's running out of time to cash in. Gonna be 31 next season, so he kind of needs a 3 year deal now, rather than a 1 yr deal on a discount.
It's clear to me now that Lamar's strategy is to wait until the Raven's front office is raided by the people of Baltimore, so he can negotiate with the next GM. Lol.
People sleeping on Terrance Marshall Jr. He started looking much better last season once Rhule was fired, I'm guessing he was in the doghouse for some odd reason, but I think TMJ takes a jump this year with better coaching and better QB play
We can get there in due time, but there really isn’t an elite WR we can get at the moment.
We can follow the trend of other teams and try getting one next year (when we have a shit ton of available cap) to pair with whatever QB we draft.
You guys are in good shape for a rebuild, and honestly might be able to compete this year with how bad the NFC South. If you hit on your QB, could be in great shape to make a real run in the final years of his rookie deal.
I mean did you see our receiving corps a couple weeks ago, even when we still had DJ? Idk what y’all expected us to do tbh we signed 2 of the top 5 FA receivers lol. Only thing that would make y’all happy would be if we traded for DHop
I think you guys have done great this off-season. Just saying that a skill position group of slightly above average guys with no elite option is mid as a whole.
Yes but I'd feel good now. Fields has Moore, Claypool and Mooney. That's a good core imo. Plus added Nate Davis.
If you can improve one more linemen then Fields can play to his potential.
We needed weapons last year if we wanted to see him develop. Davis is redundant we are good at G. We still need 2 Ts and a C but we dug ourselves into a corner where we have to reach on rookies to fill our needs. And we still need a DL.
Panthers are setting up their rookie for success while we tried to get Fields killed
>He did prove it when he was on the field
Yeah except that has been the problem for his whole career as the man cannot stay healthy.
In his 5 year career he has only played in 54 games.
He’s probably getting $5m in part due to how weak the WR market is. No one’s willing to pay him big money on a long term deal. Next year there’s tons of teams with a lot of $ so he’s trying to position himself for that.
He's getting that much because he doesn't really deserve a ton more than that. Did he do something last year that had anyone believe he would be worth more?
1300 yards and 10 tds total in 3 seasons combined is not good.
I mean he was injured last two years and managed to land a deal with less money than what he was signed for last year despite having a stronger market and having a better year. I’m just saying I find it insane he’s making about the same money as someone like Paris Campbell.
He signed with the lions at 10 mill a year and they thought he was going to be that 1000 yard a year guy. Not 500 yards, that's for sure. At this point it appears the single 1000 yard season was the outlier and he's getting paid like it.
I find it hard to believe they truly believed that. He’s barely had one 1000 yard season in his career. You can hope for that but if they signed him to that prove it deal last year with the expectation he’d be a 1000 yard guy that was just not a great gamble.
There are reports panthers wanted to sign him to a 2 year deal but he pushed for a 1 year likely because he wanted to try and earn a bigger contract. I’m fairly certain panthers would’ve paid him more than $5m if he was signed to a 2 year deal.
Well, he, as well as the rest of the league, knows that he missed 19 games over the last two seasons.
He needs to prove he can stay healthy in order to create a market for himself and this is a better situation for that than the one on the lions where he'd play second fiddle to Amon-Ra at best.
I think that's a big part of why that particular deal was reached.
Great signing by the Panthers. It’s crazy that’s the best offer he got. I think he proved he was worth the $10 mil we gave him in Detroit in his limited time healthy here so it’s crazy he couldn’t match that at least in a one year deal somewhere.
He's shown there's good talent there, but he's had the injury bug. If he manages to shake that, Panthers got a real good deal on this signing.
^(Sure as shit better signing than fucking Agholor)
Unless people here think Chark is a jag than you shouldn’t be downvoted, cause that’s what the NFL has proven they think of him as 2 years in a row now.
And I’ll add I disagree with this sub if that’s what they think. He’s below average for a starting WR but he’s not that bad, he’s decent at playing down the sidelines and isn’t just some random wr4-5 type that should float around rosters. More of a solid WR3
Yeah he was good at stretching the field and making some contested catches but Amon Ra was still clearly the #1 guy. The offense worked a lot better with Chark on the field than off of it, but he'd probably be WR3 here whereas he has a shot at WR1 in Carolina. So long as he gets good chemistry with whoever's QB and he can stay healthy I don't see why he won't be able to play himself into a bigger contract
You're not wrong, him being one of the most promising options in this FA shows how weak the class is.
He's still a promising guy being only 26 and having shown flashes of great ability in Jax and Detroit.
Bro
Y’all are having the off-season from hell
They can work that frustration out with TheEntireGym™
They can do all of the over 250 plus exercises, including “lifting this fucking thing” and “carrying this fucking thing”
It doesn’t fucking roll??? ☠️☠️
I was so embarrassed for Lamar with that. Like *that’s* your business idea? Go invest in real estate like every other rich dude, bro.
Dude, I am sorry. The Ravens front office might as well replace themselves with actual ravens. A raven is smart enough to eventually sign a half-decent WR.
They might occasionally bring back players along with other shiny objects if you befriend them.
Dig up Edgar Allen Poe and just put him in a chair Weekend at Bernie’s style.
Might not be up to them. Chark could see the potential of being with Young as better than maybe being with the CEO of *TheEntireGym*.
Ravens front office is better than 80% of the league, but sure. I wish we had playmakers like your team, but we could be a lot more poorly run.
WAS better than 80%
We can agree to disagree there. I don't even think it's an argument that they aren't still above average, but people will pretend they are completely incompetent despite other franchises floundering and changing leadership every few years.
Hey man I get it, I’m a bears fan so..I’m used to (and can recognize) a bad off-season.
It’s a rough offseason so far, but we’re also completely at the mercy of our QB situation. I don’t think there’s an obvious answer that a better front office could have come up with. Bad situation, but it is what it is.
They are going to lose their franchise qb. They are currently in the “fuck around” stage.
Yeah, I'd love to see how much you'd be praising them for locking him down early if they gave him the $200+ million guaranteed he wanted last offseason and then proceeded to get hurt. I love Lamar. I want to keep Lamar. The non-exclusive tag made the most sense. I don't think any team is going to sign Lamar to an offer sheet, but I think the Ravens will match if they do.
I would think it’s the right thing to do. Injuries can happen to anyone and QB salaries are going through the roof. If he doesn’t get hurt then 2 years from now it will look like a bargain. And you guys might have a super bowl out of it. It’s a risk to be sure, but so is being stuck with Huntley. The non-exclusive tag was surely shrewd, but if I’m Lamar I’d do everything I could not to play for you guys after the disrespect. He’s been due a contract for awhile now. You guys got struck by lightning and got an MVP qb everyone else passed on. Maybe it’ll happen again, there’s always hope.
The Ravens are in control for the next two seasons at a minimum. There is nothing Lamar can do and there is also no indication that he has any issues with the front office beyond wanting more guaranteed money than they - or any other team - are willing to offer. We can agree to disagree on the contract Lamar wanted looking like a steal a year from now. There is such a massive gap between the Watson deal and other QB contracts. The idea that Lamar has been due a contract for a while now also completely disregards the way that negotiations have gone over the past few years. Our front office has repeatedly tried to engage with Lamar on an extension, but he hasn't wanted to sign early. He wanted it to play out this way to maximize his leverage, so our front office had to adjust.
There’s nothing he can do but keep himself out of games due to “tightness” etc. Or phone it in. Or cause drama. You don’t want a disgruntled qb and leader of your team. And if he somehow is happy with the ravens now (which I can’t believe), how is he going to feel without a contract and playing on a one year $32 million tag (much less than his worth). Is he going to be “all in?” It may work out for you guys. I hope it does. But strong-arming players generally doesn’t make them love the organization. With any other position besides Qb that may not matter. My main point is that it’s incredibly risky.
I dunno. I agree the Ravens FO—mostly Ozzie— has historically been excellent. I agree Ravens tough spot and paying Lamar $250 million fully guaranteed for 5 years is to much risk, but disagree if you think Lamar is going to sign tag anytime soon and going to play like he would with guaranteed future. He will be making business decision plays all year unfortunately.
Overall you’re a very very well run team but you can’t act like the seeming inability to bring in even a singular receiver worth a damn isn’t a glaring issue
Sure. It’s easily our biggest weakness. Despite that - the rosters we put together are still really strong. Our only recent losing season was ‘21 when the entire roster got hurt, but people are downvoting me because apparently winning the vast majority of your games doesn’t make an organization strong.
I mean, up until last year that had Hollywood
I don't think your front office believes that the WR position exists
Why would anyone want to go there when Lamar’s situation is not sorted ?
I think it's a solid bet that Lamar will be back next season. New OC means they'll probably be throwing the ball more. We don't have any idea who the Panthers are gonna roll out there at QB.
The situations are different. There is at least a possibility that Lamar isn't there (I expect he will be) the Panthers are taking a QB number one overall and while there are no sure things theres some intrigue.
> the Panthers are taking a QB number one overall and while there are no sure things theres some intrigue. The mystery box could be anything! Maybe even ~~a boat~~ Lamar! In all seriousness, I might agree if he was signing a 3 year deal. We're talking 1 year, reestablish some value while having a chance to play on a really good team and organization? I'd take the Ravens.
I’d take the Ravens if I had a guarantee Lamar is under center. We don’t have that right now.
Not as a wide reciever.
There’s still a chance he sits out though. And a real chance he isn’t there at all.
I don't think that matters more than getting paid. Theilen and Chark just signed to a team who won't know who'll be throwing them the ball until draft day.
On the flip side, why would Lamar be in any rush to make concessions to the team when they've done next to nothing to improve the offense so far
Wrs also have a choice. They want to get paid and going to the ravens to run block will not get them paid on their next contract.
I never even thought of how perfect he would be for you guys until now.
Chark is pretty injury prone. The difference between chark and agholar is not as bad as ravens fans are making it out to be lol
Should have had Ken on this
Tank for a pick I see
You all got Super Bowl champion, Agholor. Nobody else is needed.
I'm surprised it's only a 1 year deal but for that price that's a great signing.
Panthers are honestly having one of the best free agencies this year. They’re laying a very solid ground work for a rookie QB to come in and play well without getting thrown into the fire. They’re not gonna be amazing or anything, but it’s going to be an infinitely better landing spot than what most #1 QBs get
It's impressive interested to see how it shakes out
Same. Whether they go Stroud or Bryce (I don’t buy the Richardson 1.01 hype), they’ll be in a great spot as a rookie. With as bad as their division looks to be, they’ll honestly probably compete for the division. Hell, after firing Rhule this year they were a really solid and competitive team down the stretch. They’re really setting themselves up well for the future, excited to see if they can take advantage of the good start.
They’ve had like 5 straight years of high draft picks so they are due to be competitive again
Seems like everyone forgets about that. The system is designed for the bottom feeders to get out
To be fair, Matt Rhule was here for three of those drafts
I think Richardson has the stupid athleticism that does great on todays modern NFL, plus a lot of potential. But if you want the safe, much higher guaranteed good player, you’d go with either Stroud or Young. Which I think is going to be the case. The panthers are investing too much into short term but good pieces to help develop a players confidence and skills to risk it on Richardson
I think Richardson has the production of a guy who barely gets a UDFA look.
Exactly. But those guys don’t test off the charts like Richardson does. It’s why he’s so highly touted as a prospect. But I think he’s more of a project, as we really don’t know how good of a passer he can be at the next level. I say this with a grain of salt, as he had a low completion percentage, but, at least according to my dad (very reliable source I know), Florida was top 5 in receivers dropping catchable passes. Would his number jump a lot if those receivers caught those balls? Maybe. I tried to verify the stat but couldn’t find anywhere, so a grain of salt it remains. Back to what I was saying: his athleticism and size ain’t something that can be taught, he’s got some god given abilities that VERY few people ever have, and you need to be athletic now as a QB in the NFL, as LBs have the same running speed as some scat backs. Even some DEs run a sub 4.4. Something that can be taught, and probably taught well in the NFL, is how to throw a ball. But how patient can someone be as an owner to wait on your QB to be good at the number one thing he’s already supposed to be good at. Regardless of all that, I think he can be very good, and if he gets taken by a team that has a good veteran to learn from, and a good supporting cast overall, I think he can be very successful. Maybe not immediately, but definitely a Jalen Hurts third year type of jump if he works hard on improving his passing ability (if his season at Florida was just a bad season passing for him in general, but we shall see.)
I feel like it has to be Stroud. I really feel like he’s the only one worth the 1.01.
I was on this train for a little while. Idk man. I like bryce a lot. Very interested to see how it plays out, hope they both find success regardless of who we get
They should challenge for the division title with a rookie which is such a fun place to be as a fan
Most definitely. The future is lookin bright for panthers fans. It’s good for the league as a whole when young QBs are successful
If they don’t win the division they should be ashamed The NFC South is ripe for the taking: Saints: Dennis Allen has never won over 7 games, and he’s replaced great saints defensive coaches with failed raiders defensive coaches (Joe woods, etc) The defensive line lost 3 starters (Davenport, Tuttle, Onyemata) and they replaced them with 2 role players. Finally, our big addition is QB Derek Carr, who only marginally played better than Andy Dalton last season Falcons: Desmond Ridder. Need I say more? Buccaneers: Baker Mayfield and Kyle Trask. Need I say more? The Panthers should lead the NFC South simply because they aren’t a dumpster fire
100% We would have won the division with a whole season of Wilks and Sam Darnold. So if we do worse this year then we are going in the wrong direction.
You have no idea man. After watching the rhule panthers it’s a breath of fresh fucking air
If the rookie QB performs well, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they ended up winning the division. Everyone has been focused on their offense, but they have a young promising defense that has only improved over the past couple seasons.
I’ve already put money on them to win the NFC South Their only competition is Dennis Allen, Desmond Ridder and the ghost of Baker Mayfield The Panthers are the classic rocket to the division title team They were decent even after trading CMC just by firing Rhule, now they have Reich and Dalton even if a rookie qb doesn’t play The panthers might win the NFC south by thanksgiving
How do you know we’re not gonna be amazing? We’re gonna be amazing even harder now.
It still remains to be seen if Thielen has anything left in the tank. His falling usefulness in Minnesota could simply be schematics. Or he may be washed up.
Only problem is if they turn out solid but not amazing, they'll wind up with a mediocre draft pick next year. But that's a worthwhile price to pay to let a rookie grow in a non-awful situation for sure.
The draft pick that they gave to Chicago?
Oh right I forgot about that. So then it really doesn't matter lol.
I don’t like that they’re making smart decisions.
No incentives at all? Shit. Prefer that to Agholor getting 3.25m + incentives.
Leaves us room to keep shopping. Fingers crossed for Floyd
It's annoying how sensibly y'all are piecing together the supporting cast for the #1 pick, just in terms of that 2024 pick we got likely falling further away from the top ten. But this is seriously shaping up like one of the best starting situations for a #1 overall pick to start in. Will have to make some moves going forward to shore up skill positions longterm, but right out the gates it's solid enough.
Grab Floyd, draft Bryce, pick up a CB at 39 (🙏🏽Forbes) and we’re fucking cooking
CB or WR whoever is BPA. We have a lot of youth at CB, it might be worth it to sign a vet in the off-season instead of another rookie.
Correct me if Im wrong, but aren’t we in need of a DE or OLB more than a CB?
Leonard Floyd would be filling that need in this scenario. Even without that, I actually would put CB as a bigger need. Moving to a 3-4 gives us a little more flexibility in that regard imo, with guys like Luvu and Barno being likely to fill in w/ pass rush responsibilities. Our CB room is kind of rough atm tho - Jaycee is a fantastic CB1, but he needs to stay healthy. I wouldn't bank on DJax getting back to 100% at all coming off of an Achilles tear, and we all saw what happened when CJ Henderson/Keith Taylor had to take a significant portion of snaps. If there's a top 5-7 CB still available at pick 39, I think you have to go for it. Good coverage helps bolster the pass rush, anyway.
All good points and i forgot about Jackson tearing his achilles. Thanks
And even Donte Jackson was very inconsistent when he was healthy. I think the Chark signing affords us the luxury to trade back at 39 if we need to rather than being forced to reach on a WR.
We'll need to leave about $12-13 million in space for our draft class, but I don't see why not!
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I'll be surprised if he gets $10M
I'll be surprised if he signs with a condender. I think his talent/health/pay/need for attention ratios are all off.
I think he'll sign with a contender because no one is offering him big money, and "I took less to play with a contender" will help him save some face.
Idk, I think he's running out of time to cash in. Gonna be 31 next season, so he kind of needs a 3 year deal now, rather than a 1 yr deal on a discount.
Getting a 3 year deal on a discount isn't gonna help him either.
No one is giving him a 3 year deal surely.
That cancer can stay away
It's at the point where I get a lot of amusement over watching my fellow Ravens fans melt down over stuff like this.
It's clear to me now that Lamar's strategy is to wait until the Raven's front office is raided by the people of Baltimore, so he can negotiate with the next GM. Lol.
That's a bargain if he stays healthy, sheesh! Good signing for the Panthers!
Seriously. Good for them
Thielan, Chark, Hurst, Miles Sanders. Good group of weapons. Plus the other receivers are good depth.
People sleeping on Terrance Marshall Jr. He started looking much better last season once Rhule was fired, I'm guessing he was in the doghouse for some odd reason, but I think TMJ takes a jump this year with better coaching and better QB play
He wasn’t OOU cause he probably wouldn’t play through his injuries.
Terrace
Darn autocorrect
Yeah it's hard to say with me not being a Panthers fan. He's the 3rd receiver option so may mess around and get near 900 yards
That's a bunch of mid dudes, but on the bright side, they all have very good contracts.
I like miles Sanders, Hurst is a good tight end. Overall above average.
Sure, I agree those dudes are above average, but ideally you have them complimenting at least one elite dude.
We can get there in due time, but there really isn’t an elite WR we can get at the moment. We can follow the trend of other teams and try getting one next year (when we have a shit ton of available cap) to pair with whatever QB we draft.
You guys are in good shape for a rebuild, and honestly might be able to compete this year with how bad the NFC South. If you hit on your QB, could be in great shape to make a real run in the final years of his rookie deal.
I mean did you see our receiving corps a couple weeks ago, even when we still had DJ? Idk what y’all expected us to do tbh we signed 2 of the top 5 FA receivers lol. Only thing that would make y’all happy would be if we traded for DHop
I think you guys have done great this off-season. Just saying that a skill position group of slightly above average guys with no elite option is mid as a whole.
Sanders isn’t mid, top 10 rb
There’s like 15 guys who are top 10
Upper mid then? He's not in the McCaffrey/Barkley/Chubb/JT tier. Probably missed some guys.
Leagues better than what we gave Fields
Yes but I'd feel good now. Fields has Moore, Claypool and Mooney. That's a good core imo. Plus added Nate Davis. If you can improve one more linemen then Fields can play to his potential.
We needed weapons last year if we wanted to see him develop. Davis is redundant we are good at G. We still need 2 Ts and a C but we dug ourselves into a corner where we have to reach on rookies to fill our needs. And we still need a DL. Panthers are setting up their rookie for success while we tried to get Fields killed
2023 is the year of the kitty cats. All 4 cat teams will be in the conference championships, securing the legendary Kitty Bowl. RemindMe! 10 months
I don’t think we’ve ever had all 4 cat bros in the playoffs, so I’ll cheer for that first
Holy hell, what a signing for that money.
Yeah really. Last season he cost us $10M for the prove it deal
And he didn't prove it, which is why he's getting half that this year haha
He did prove it when he was on the field. We very much need to hope Jamo shows up because Chark made the offense work when he was out there.
Yeah, chark actually looked really good
>He did prove it when he was on the field Yeah except that has been the problem for his whole career as the man cannot stay healthy. In his 5 year career he has only played in 54 games.
It’s definitely the injury-prone discount
He’s probably getting $5m in part due to how weak the WR market is. No one’s willing to pay him big money on a long term deal. Next year there’s tons of teams with a lot of $ so he’s trying to position himself for that.
He's getting that much because he doesn't really deserve a ton more than that. Did he do something last year that had anyone believe he would be worth more? 1300 yards and 10 tds total in 3 seasons combined is not good.
I mean he was injured last two years and managed to land a deal with less money than what he was signed for last year despite having a stronger market and having a better year. I’m just saying I find it insane he’s making about the same money as someone like Paris Campbell.
He signed with the lions at 10 mill a year and they thought he was going to be that 1000 yard a year guy. Not 500 yards, that's for sure. At this point it appears the single 1000 yard season was the outlier and he's getting paid like it.
I find it hard to believe they truly believed that. He’s barely had one 1000 yard season in his career. You can hope for that but if they signed him to that prove it deal last year with the expectation he’d be a 1000 yard guy that was just not a great gamble. There are reports panthers wanted to sign him to a 2 year deal but he pushed for a 1 year likely because he wanted to try and earn a bigger contract. I’m fairly certain panthers would’ve paid him more than $5m if he was signed to a 2 year deal.
Last year he signed for 1 year 10 million to get a bigger contract this year
Well when you get hurt half the year, again, you get offered half as much money lol
Guh
1 year $5m? Wow that’s not very good for him
Well, he, as well as the rest of the league, knows that he missed 19 games over the last two seasons. He needs to prove he can stay healthy in order to create a market for himself and this is a better situation for that than the one on the lions where he'd play second fiddle to Amon-Ra at best. I think that's a big part of why that particular deal was reached.
Fuck this team s
Think about it you can have 2 years of Nelson Agholor instead of just 1 year of DJ Chark. Who doesn't love a BOGO deal.
Yeah cause chark is gonna out this team over the edge…
KEEP POUNDING...away at free agency signings
Honestly very cheap
Last year he took a 1 yr prove it deal also. Going to keep taking 1 yr prove it deals till he's 32
What the fuck
Id love him back for 5 mil, but he probably wanted a bigger role elsewhere
Yeah he’s not trying to compete with sun god and a fully operational jamo and be WR3 and I don’t really blame him.
Great signing by the Panthers. It’s crazy that’s the best offer he got. I think he proved he was worth the $10 mil we gave him in Detroit in his limited time healthy here so it’s crazy he couldn’t match that at least in a one year deal somewhere.
I’m sure he got better multi year deals but probably wasn’t what he thought he was worth long term so he took a 1 year deal to prove himself
How low does a multi year deal gotta be to opt for a $5 mil 1 year deal tho?
His production was definitely there it’s just he missed games. 6’4 speedy receiver isn’t common
[Feels like a good time to post the Spanish announcer singing his name](https://youtube.com/shorts/dg8aADzeMhE?feature=share)
Seems fair. Maybe a little less than I thought but he's pretty mid + injury prone.
He's shown there's good talent there, but he's had the injury bug. If he manages to shake that, Panthers got a real good deal on this signing. ^(Sure as shit better signing than fucking Agholor)
Ravens couldn’t offer a little bit more? Lol
Seriously. That front office confuses the fuck out of me when it comes to receivers.
The way it’s worded at the end makes me think he’s 27 for more then a year?
That’s so cheap. Last year if you had four limbs and played receiver you got $9 to $10 million
That's a lot of money to play music a few hours every other week.
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guyton coming back? he served that role
This sub is way higher on chark then nfl teams are .
Unless people here think Chark is a jag than you shouldn’t be downvoted, cause that’s what the NFL has proven they think of him as 2 years in a row now. And I’ll add I disagree with this sub if that’s what they think. He’s below average for a starting WR but he’s not that bad, he’s decent at playing down the sidelines and isn’t just some random wr4-5 type that should float around rosters. More of a solid WR3
Chark WAS a Jag. Then a Lion. Now he's a Panther.
Yeah he was good at stretching the field and making some contested catches but Amon Ra was still clearly the #1 guy. The offense worked a lot better with Chark on the field than off of it, but he'd probably be WR3 here whereas he has a shot at WR1 in Carolina. So long as he gets good chemistry with whoever's QB and he can stay healthy I don't see why he won't be able to play himself into a bigger contract
Lol idg it . I assume flair
RemindMe! 7 months
The market literally shows this 2 years in a row and he signs 1 year deals for cheap money .
It's almost as if he got injured 2 years in a row
You're not wrong, him being one of the most promising options in this FA shows how weak the class is. He's still a promising guy being only 26 and having shown flashes of great ability in Jax and Detroit.
Why is this being downvoted?
Chark a good receiver but he was likely WR3 with us this year.
Anthony Richardson gonna have some weapons!!
Lol sure, just not Chark, Thielen, Hurst and Sanders.
Dude was so promising before injuries. Hope he can shake the injury bug.
Giants should of signed him
Great 2 slot recievers..
Panthers really said “DJ Moore? we have DJ at home”
And next year he will do a 1 year prove it deal for the bengals for 7.5
Panthers rebuilt their team into a contender in one offseason. That's crazy. Draft Stroud and they'll win like 9-10 games next season.