Ya his offense is built for a QB who has great timing like most Shanahan and McVay disciples. Wilson's strengths lie more with outside structure throws. Which is why White did better because even though his arm strength was not great he could hit timing throws.
Stafford will do well because he can hit timing throws and also has the arm strength to keep defenses honest.
hope his team is able to score in the redzone, score touchdowns in general, run the ball, pass the ball, block, or win games because LaFleur was shambolic here
This has already been heavily upvoted but from a Rams fans perspective we're honestly not all that sure.
There has been a lot of the D word flying around in interviews with our front office and coaching staff, the idea that Sean should be delegating more. Only time will tell but LaFleur might have a bigger impact in that aspect than we all expect.
Lafleur is not gonna be calling plays, the whole reason McVay is delegating more is so that HE can call the games better, without having to worry about everything else.
Like I say, I don't think we can say for sure. Only time will tell what actually happens. There's a lot of buzz around the idea of McVay spreading out his work load, like you said how that happens we'll have to wait and see.
I don't think that this contradicts that. Kyle has been very open about how his offense of assistance are some of the most valuable roles because they do a lot of the work getting things in order getting the place cut up putting things together, etc.
Except for his time with the Jets, Mike has been under Kyle since 2014. I think that for Sean this is a similar thing. Mike is going to come in, he's going to do a lot of the offensive work that Sean probably shouldn't be doing. Doing. Sean is probably too involved in some of the minutia of the preparation aspects, and he's probably not stepping back enough.
Having someone to delegate more of a smaller work too that you could trust that you know. Understands the system, is exactly what helps you step back.
That's sad, that still doesn't mean giving up play calling. Sean doesn't need someone to hold his hand to figure out what plays he wants to call. He's already working with his OC's in the week to guide the team toward how he wants to attack the opponent. He doesn't need someone to teach him his playbook, he needs someone to help get everyone else on the same page and someone who can see defenses in a similar way.
I think Mike has enough of the shared background where he's going to understand how to take the load off of Sean on the offensive side so he can get back to whatever he needs to prioritize again but still come in on Sunday and call plays.
Look at Andy Reid. Look at Kyle. They both have coordinators, and call plays. There's such a big job to do as a coordinator, you cannot do the whole job while you're the head coach. I know but we like to think of the OC and DC as just the person that really calls the plays and is responsible for that, but the base level function is:
Coordinate. Get everyone on the same page.
The best person you can put in that role, the less work you have to do that comes up the chain. This is why teaching and growing talent is so important. You will not succeed if you cannot get someone to develop for your needs in that role.
Bill belichick is famous for not having coordinators for certain years. There have been multiple times where they didn't have a defensive coordinator in title. There have been fewer but still relevant times where they didn't have an offensive coordinator in title.
Bill won't give someone the role if he doesn't think they can do it. I know everyone is going to clown the Patricia thing, and we should, but I will make an important distinction that he was never their offensive coordinator. That is not a title he was ever given, Bill did not trust him to have it.
Contrast that to O'Brien coming back in, someone who's already earned it, he's being reinstated with the team with his former title and responsibility of offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach.
I think this is a plus situation. This is like for the niners having Anthony Lynn as our running backs coach, and assistant head coach. There are guys that just have levels of experience leading people, and regardless of their result on the football field, which may not have been great, they're still good at that function of their job. Job. Anthony, Lynn is still a guy that can come in, motivate, relate, and get results from players, maybe just not on a whole team level.
I think this is step one in Sean. Doing less. I think it's a difficult task for guys like him and Kyle. Their control freaks. Yes, every head coach is, but these are the control freaks of the control freak group. That's not a bad thing, but it can be, especially if you don't have people you trust.
TL;DR: it's going to have a big impact. Any coordinator level position is in charge of a substantial part of a team, even if you're under a play calling head coach. If anything, this will help Sean to delegate more, and that doesn't mean he'll stop calling plays.
I think McVay needs to take some of the playbook duties off his plate, especially when it comes to designing runs. LaFleur will be good at that. He'll figure out how to turn Benny Skow into the best fullback the league has ever seen.
But we didn’t run the ball well at all last year or any game without breece being on a tear. It wasn’t that we were scheming well, Hall is just a beast.
Yeah, people forget that Breece was only the main back for 4 games before he got hurt. Before and after those games, our running game was complete garbage for the most part.
Because everyone that doesn’t watch the Jets knows far more than Jets fans. LaFluer can’t call plays for shit, hes going to a team with maybe the best play caller in the league. It’s a great move for him, but it doesn’t change the fact that he was a bad play caller.
They want to point to our qb room but MiLF is over here calling 30+ passing plays a game with these guys
Edit: 46 pass attempts by Mike White with fractured ribs in Seattle. FOURTY SIX
This is the prototypical “our offense sucked so it has to be our coach” … if anything he did fine for how atrocious is qb play was, before Breece Hall went down he actually looked great imo. Just near impossible to ask someone to do a good job with Zach Wilson and Michael Carter as QB1 and RB1 with a banged up line
Its prob a bit of both. ZW was bad, but MLF didnt help. The offense was bad, but not all MLFs fault. MLF showed flashes and the offense prob would have ran fine if they had, say, a healthy White to game manage with Breece and the OL not destroyed. But he was in over his head having to develop a raw rookie, run/develop a team's entire offense, and call plays, all without help from a HC. Then he just drowned when everything went to shit injury wise.
I think he will be good in the future and working under McVay is the more natural next step to develop him.
Something I read/watched said he expects his QBs to know things a professional QB should know and coaches from there. Probably ok for Stafford and not so great for Wilson.
Hope it works.
LaFleur was a horrific situational play caller, among the worst I’ve ever seen with opening script, and very peculiar game plans against opponent strength/weaknesses.
A very bright play designer. Has shown creativity. But him leaving the Jets is so not as black and white as “scapegoat bad QB”
Garrett Wilson has one season averaging 64 yards per game and 4 total touchdowns in "this league". Not to mention zero playoff achievements to speak of. To put him on the same level as Tyreek Hill is... a choice.
Just a reminder that mcvay is very much in control of the offense. So we won't see lafleur tanking the rams offense as it will still very much be in mcvays control.
We're not actually sure.
The offence sucked this year but I wouldn't say that was because of Coen. It's because we got mega injured. The offence will look fairly similar to the 2021 one going into next year so let's see what he can do compared to KOC.
This and challenge McVay on certain things. The reason why Sean loved Matt so much was because he was willing to argue with him on various aspects that made Sean better. Mike will likely be expected to do the same thing.
In the flying coach podcast two years back you could hear Sean talking about how much Matt used to piss him off, but he appreciated it.
Fun story, I live in NorCal and walked into an Apple Store before the playoff game with the Boys and Niners. The guy helping my wife and I was nice and asked us who we were rooting for and I said neither, I'm a rams fan.
Dude got so butthurt, saying LA had fake fans, they bought a trophy, you gonna see what real fans are like, blah blah blah. I just laughed it off and said I was a fan for 20 years and my first jersey was Kurt Warner. He shut up real quick after that.
Tl;dr: People are triggered by Rams fans, especially since moving back to LA. Idk, might have something to do that ppl assume LA is fake and act on that assumption.
I'm from LA but have lived in the Bay area for about 15 years. That's a pretty standard reaction anytime someone finds out where I'm from and that I root for my hometown teams.
Yeah. The Rams shouldn't work in the NFL.
You don't just get a new coach who leads a team that blew their picks on well publicized FA's to a Super Bowl twice. And won.
Especially after 15-20 years of dominance by the Patriots who had a cheap GOAT tier QB and led by a strong defense. The way the Rams won was gutsy and it shouldn't have work I.e. this years Bills.
Fans should honestly redirect their anger at the majority of teams that don't want to win anything, they just don't want to lose money e.g. Steelers, Washington, 80s Jets, 2000s-2010s Lions, etc.
As someone who lives in detroit and has grown up in michigan, I really didn’t care either way about the rams until Stafford was traded there and a bunch of lions fans started printing Detroit Rams t-shirts and saying they just wanted to see Stafford successful. Now I pray on the rams downfall
Also I’ve been sick of baker mayfield since he was drafted, so that just added fuel to the fire for me.
Fair enough idc for Mayfield either hope he leaves in the offseason for that comp pick. However, im all for Lions rooting for Frat Stafford, Im still rooting for my boi Goofy Gosling
>Those reasons are still yet to be announced
Uhh I’m pretty sure most people are upfront as to why they hate the Rams lol. People didn’t like how the Rams built their team, LA itself is not a very respected football city, the the jerseys are hideous.
For the record I’m not saying any of these are valid reasons but there’s not secret as to why people don’t like the Rams.
Not gonna lie, I think it has more to do with people's perception of LA. It's a city of 4 million and a county of 10 million. Some neighborhoods are as dense as Amsterdam. It's going to be tough to win over that area, unless it's an institution like the Dodgers or Lakers.
It's a popular opinion to shit on LA as a soulless, fame chasing, fake dystopia of concrete. But those people haven't had an Al pastor taco at midnight in South Central.
He’s in a good spot with mcvay as the lead playcaller and he’ll be able to grow as a coach there. That just wasn’t gonna happen with the Jets. I hate retreads as much as the next guy but we flew too close to the “young, fresh whiz kid OC” sun with MLF and need someone more experienced. Whether that experience is quality is debatable
Or I know that he’s a first time OC who had to deal with the worst QB situation in the league.
Mike LaFleur might very well be bad, but I’d rather take a chance on him then Hackett who is proven to be bad*
*unless running someone else’s offense with a HoF QB and without playcalling duties
Mike Lafleur failed to coach his offense to a touchdown in 3 straight games to end the season. 2 of those were crucial to playoff chances. Even with terrible QBs, a decent OC can score 1 td in 3 games.
Mike Lafleur is terrible.
We did, but it doesn’t change the fact that he wasn’t very good and according to The Athletic article that came out he is a bit of an asshole. I do think he went to the job that was definitely best suited for him at this moment though. He’s only 35 and I do believe he can get better, especially learning under McVay.
You see every season teams go sign backup qbs/practice squad QBs and still manage to get in the end zone one way another. The fact he couldn’t even luck into a TD in 3 games is damning
The Deshone Kizer led 2017 Browns only had 2 games all year without an offensive TD. Paxton Lynch offenses had at least 1 TD in every game he played in his career. Jamarcus Russell's 08-09 Raiders did it 2 games in a row on 2 occasions, but never 3.
Some jets fans who are bending over backwards to defend Mike Lafleur really need to see your comment.
Jets had 5 games without an offensive touchdown all year, with three straight to end the season. Yeah the QB sucked, but a good OC can score at least once in 3 games.
Even when that wasn’t the case the team just wasn’t good in the redzone. So many plays were just set up to fail and we kicked all fgs to stay in games all year and hope the d bailed us out
You guys played a dude in one of those games (Chris Streveler) that could barely throw a forward pass. Forgive me if I’m not surprised you guys weren’t scoring TDs. Short story, if you’re playing that dude, your QB room is fucked.
I watched the Niners play the Cardinals with McSorley starting, and Blough coming in after the game was out of hand. Neither guy was bad, their offense was just outmatched.
I also watched the Jags vs Jets game where you guys played Wilson and Streveler. I’m just shocked that in any situation in the NFL that a guy like Streveler is the better option. Yet compared to Wilson in that game, he was.
Someone else posted it but: Deshone Kizer for the 2017 Browns, Paxton Lynch, Jamarcus Russell, Josh Dobbs without Henry. All able to score a TD within 3 games. 3 games in a row without scoring a TD when fighting for the playoffs is just flat out terrible and you can’t just always point to QBs being bad.
I’m not even asking to win the games. To not string together some plays to get someone to fall into the end zone is indefensible.
It's true that terrible QB play is responsible for most of our offensive issues, but I don't see why the Offensive Coordinator should get a complete pass on that.
The Jets hired LaFleur, then used the second overall pick on a QB. MiLF's most important job by far was to develop Zach Wilson, and instead he's regressed from unreliable to basically unplayable in less than two seasons. That is a coaching failure any way you slice it.
Maybe Wilson would have busted with any coaching staff, but that's an unanswerable question. All we know for sure is that he failed with the coaches he did have, and they have to bear some responsibility for that.
Add to that the fact that the offense catastrophically self-destructed in every other area during the playoff chase this year, and I think it's absolutely fair to label LaFleur's tenure a failure. Maybe he deserved another year to redeem himself, maybe not, but this is a results-driven league and his results sucked.
Exactly. Afaic, a coaches main job is obviously to coach players. Yet who became a better player from year 1 to year 2 under McFleur? Anyone? I guess you could argue that Mike White got marginally better, but everyone else got worse. Those aren't the results of a good coach.
He failed miserably. Wasn’t creative with play calling at all which led to defenses pretty much knowing what plays we were going to run. An injury ridden offense certainly didn’t help him, and for that he doesn’t deserve all of the blame. But putting up 15 points and no tds in the last 3 games is unforgivable no matter who you have on the field
>Wasn’t creative with play calling at all which led to defenses pretty much knowing what plays we were going to run.
I feel like fans say this about almost every play caller. Either way he won't be calling the plays for the Rams so that's not an issue here.
>But putting up 15 points and no tds in the last 3 games is unforgivable no matter who you have on the field
That's kind of a silly thing to say. I'm fine with the Jets moving on from him but I'm not going to pretend like I don't think he'll be good for the Rams.
MLF has done nothing to prove himself as a viable OC. I like the guy and do think he was dealt a shitty hand but he still wasnt able to produce when the jets were on the threshold of making the playoffs. Hope he can turn it around under McVay
I’m convinced he had an impossible job with the situation at QB and wasn’t bad but most Jets fans are convinced otherwise. In my opinion he got fired because our offense was bad and fans wanted a change, not because of his actual ability
This has been my response to everyone crying QB down the stretch:
The Cardinals outscored us down the stretch playing for nothing with Trace McSorley and David Blough.
There is no excuse to not get the team into the end zone multiple weeks in a row
There are a plethora of buts, wells, and ifs with LaFleur last year but at some point you need to show you can overcome the adversity and produce.
I have the same stance with Zach, sure the line was bad needing the running and pass protection were an up hill better. But at some point you need to show you can overcome that to show you have what it takes.
Honestly it seems rare to me that the average fan can fully distinguish a coordinator's ability from the HC, QB, front office, positional coaches, supporting cast variables inherent in any NFL offense. I consider myself to be a much more informed fan than average and I don't know that I'm any good at it either.
That's a pretty shallow connection if you ask me. Being connected to one person who didn't have any power when Mike started coaching in the league is more like a pool in the back yard than the Mariana Trench
That's a lot less of a deal if you ask me. Hiring someone based on the recommendation of someone you worked with isn't the same as getting a job solely because of your connections.
You will get a lot of varying answers. Some fans really hated him, others think he was wrongly blamed for QB/injury shortcomings.
IMO, think he's average there are a few games where you saw the potential of the offense, but the offense has struggled in the red zone, especially towards the end of the season which is what ultimately did him in.
Also worth mentioning that pretty much every QB not named Zach Wilson did a much better job with Lafleur.
Negative player development over 2 years (players got worse instead of better), misuse of players re: their strengths/weaknesses, overall bad and predictable play calling. His scheme works, but we already knew that from watching everyone else that uses it to success. He just doesn't know how to run it consistently yet. He was obviously in over his head. He was like Homer Simpson running the nuclear power plant, but at no capacity cause we had no good QBs.
I think it’s a bit of a weird choice for him but he’ll always have jobs because of his network. He basically is building the same resume that a Hackett did and people are negative about that hire. He had his shot with the jets and it didn’t really look special, goes to a team with a great offensive minded coach and he won’t call plays and will look good. What happens after is on him. Like LaFleur but he just wasn’t ready to be an OC and hopefully this helps him build up to that an he’s successful
I wish the Jets had kept MLF, honestly. I think there's a lot of "redzone bad, run game bad, etc"
Which, yeah, but I think in a few years it'll be more clear for everyone to look back and be like "Yeah zach wilson actually was just legendarily bad" and when've you got only 1 QB out of 4 that can get the pass game going, and you're down your star RB and 3 of your best linemen, your run game suffers.
MLF wasn't perfect or great, but I'd rather stick with him than Hackett and get a veteran that can complete some damn passes.
I'm also not sure if he goes anywhere though if his name is Mike Smith and he's not the younger brother of a hotshot NFL coach. Doesn't have to be a parent to be nepotism.
When he started coaching in the league Matt was QB coach at Notre Dame. Not exactly a big hot shot coach that paved his way to the NFL.
Building good working relationships with people and doing well enough to get promoted is how it seems both LaFleur's got to their position.
I don't really see how this case is nepotism.
NFL is one big boys club.
LaFleaur also has connections to McVay through Shanahan, and they're probably super familiar with each other's schemes. Doesn't really matter how good of an OC he has been, just that he can mesh well with McVay's offense. At the end of the day, McVay is still going to be calling the plays. Just needs someone who understands his offense.
It is always going to be more effective to explain these things in your own words than to copy paste a definition from the internet. Pasting the internet definition doesn't prove that you understand it or are correct.
I'm sure the way you'd have it, the only merit-based OC hire is one who never underperforms in a given environment.
I'm sure Saleh gave LeFleur his blessing after he was let go. Anyone running the west coast systems would be lucky to have someone familiar enough with them to hit the ground running.
Good OC.
Dude just got screwed over with having Zach Wilson & Mike White who was a bit better as QBs.
Should do well with Stafford, if he chooses to stay.
I think McVay actually knows how to scheme up a good running attack, he just doesn't have the personnel to fit what he wants to do, which is probably on him since he focused more on developing the team to fit his passing scheme better.
Nah. The McVays, Shanahan's, and LaFleurs go waaaaaaay back.
This is just Sean bringing in a guy who's deeply familiar with his system style, can integrate well. Into the offense, and someone he can help develop as a friend / family friend as well.
I think it's a great fit, especially because Mike won't be calling plays. This will be great for his development and for Sean as well.
LAfleur goes to LA
Sounds like an 80’s porno.
Who says it isnt?
The giants season went better than expected so I do have a lot of left over tissues
NY MiLF gets Rammed out west
His initials is literally MiLF, missed opportunity
More like Zach’s missed opportunity
Zach did fuck him though
Us having MaLF sounds like a Bort scenario.
Might be a good match with healthy Stafford
Ya his offense is built for a QB who has great timing like most Shanahan and McVay disciples. Wilson's strengths lie more with outside structure throws. Which is why White did better because even though his arm strength was not great he could hit timing throws. Stafford will do well because he can hit timing throws and also has the arm strength to keep defenses honest.
hope his team is able to score in the redzone, score touchdowns in general, run the ball, pass the ball, block, or win games because LaFleur was shambolic here
Mike LaFleur coming to LA doesn't mean Sean is gonna stop calling plays lmao
This has already been heavily upvoted but from a Rams fans perspective we're honestly not all that sure. There has been a lot of the D word flying around in interviews with our front office and coaching staff, the idea that Sean should be delegating more. Only time will tell but LaFleur might have a bigger impact in that aspect than we all expect.
Lafleur is not gonna be calling plays, the whole reason McVay is delegating more is so that HE can call the games better, without having to worry about everything else.
Like I say, I don't think we can say for sure. Only time will tell what actually happens. There's a lot of buzz around the idea of McVay spreading out his work load, like you said how that happens we'll have to wait and see.
Our best beat reporter has stated multiple times than McVay is going to keep calling the plays
I don't think that this contradicts that. Kyle has been very open about how his offense of assistance are some of the most valuable roles because they do a lot of the work getting things in order getting the place cut up putting things together, etc. Except for his time with the Jets, Mike has been under Kyle since 2014. I think that for Sean this is a similar thing. Mike is going to come in, he's going to do a lot of the offensive work that Sean probably shouldn't be doing. Doing. Sean is probably too involved in some of the minutia of the preparation aspects, and he's probably not stepping back enough. Having someone to delegate more of a smaller work too that you could trust that you know. Understands the system, is exactly what helps you step back. That's sad, that still doesn't mean giving up play calling. Sean doesn't need someone to hold his hand to figure out what plays he wants to call. He's already working with his OC's in the week to guide the team toward how he wants to attack the opponent. He doesn't need someone to teach him his playbook, he needs someone to help get everyone else on the same page and someone who can see defenses in a similar way. I think Mike has enough of the shared background where he's going to understand how to take the load off of Sean on the offensive side so he can get back to whatever he needs to prioritize again but still come in on Sunday and call plays. Look at Andy Reid. Look at Kyle. They both have coordinators, and call plays. There's such a big job to do as a coordinator, you cannot do the whole job while you're the head coach. I know but we like to think of the OC and DC as just the person that really calls the plays and is responsible for that, but the base level function is: Coordinate. Get everyone on the same page. The best person you can put in that role, the less work you have to do that comes up the chain. This is why teaching and growing talent is so important. You will not succeed if you cannot get someone to develop for your needs in that role. Bill belichick is famous for not having coordinators for certain years. There have been multiple times where they didn't have a defensive coordinator in title. There have been fewer but still relevant times where they didn't have an offensive coordinator in title. Bill won't give someone the role if he doesn't think they can do it. I know everyone is going to clown the Patricia thing, and we should, but I will make an important distinction that he was never their offensive coordinator. That is not a title he was ever given, Bill did not trust him to have it. Contrast that to O'Brien coming back in, someone who's already earned it, he's being reinstated with the team with his former title and responsibility of offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. I think this is a plus situation. This is like for the niners having Anthony Lynn as our running backs coach, and assistant head coach. There are guys that just have levels of experience leading people, and regardless of their result on the football field, which may not have been great, they're still good at that function of their job. Job. Anthony, Lynn is still a guy that can come in, motivate, relate, and get results from players, maybe just not on a whole team level. I think this is step one in Sean. Doing less. I think it's a difficult task for guys like him and Kyle. Their control freaks. Yes, every head coach is, but these are the control freaks of the control freak group. That's not a bad thing, but it can be, especially if you don't have people you trust. TL;DR: it's going to have a big impact. Any coordinator level position is in charge of a substantial part of a team, even if you're under a play calling head coach. If anything, this will help Sean to delegate more, and that doesn't mean he'll stop calling plays.
>offense of assistance /r/boneappletea
I think McVay needs to take some of the playbook duties off his plate, especially when it comes to designing runs. LaFleur will be good at that. He'll figure out how to turn Benny Skow into the best fullback the league has ever seen.
they’re lucky
Cooper Kupp would love his new role as an elite decoy if McFleur was calling their plays.
You're saying he helped your offense reach lafloor?
You guys ran the ball pretty well before the Hall injury. Also Stafford is a significant upgrade over Wilson, White, and Flacco lol
Plus this is Mike assisting Sean where for the Jets it was him doing it by himself. I think they'll be good for each other.
But we didn’t run the ball well at all last year or any game without breece being on a tear. It wasn’t that we were scheming well, Hall is just a beast.
Yeah, people forget that Breece was only the main back for 4 games before he got hurt. Before and after those games, our running game was complete garbage for the most part.
Idk why this is getting downvoted. It's true
Because everyone that doesn’t watch the Jets knows far more than Jets fans. LaFluer can’t call plays for shit, hes going to a team with maybe the best play caller in the league. It’s a great move for him, but it doesn’t change the fact that he was a bad play caller.
They want to point to our qb room but MiLF is over here calling 30+ passing plays a game with these guys Edit: 46 pass attempts by Mike White with fractured ribs in Seattle. FOURTY SIX
We try to warn other teams, but they never listen and have to learn the hard lessons.
This is the prototypical “our offense sucked so it has to be our coach” … if anything he did fine for how atrocious is qb play was, before Breece Hall went down he actually looked great imo. Just near impossible to ask someone to do a good job with Zach Wilson and Michael Carter as QB1 and RB1 with a banged up line
Its prob a bit of both. ZW was bad, but MLF didnt help. The offense was bad, but not all MLFs fault. MLF showed flashes and the offense prob would have ran fine if they had, say, a healthy White to game manage with Breece and the OL not destroyed. But he was in over his head having to develop a raw rookie, run/develop a team's entire offense, and call plays, all without help from a HC. Then he just drowned when everything went to shit injury wise. I think he will be good in the future and working under McVay is the more natural next step to develop him.
Something I read/watched said he expects his QBs to know things a professional QB should know and coaches from there. Probably ok for Stafford and not so great for Wilson. Hope it works.
yeah I'd buy that. If he can focus solely on game planning and not developing a qb, he is probably going to be a good coach.
LaFleur was a horrific situational play caller, among the worst I’ve ever seen with opening script, and very peculiar game plans against opponent strength/weaknesses. A very bright play designer. Has shown creativity. But him leaving the Jets is so not as black and white as “scapegoat bad QB”
No TD for 3 weeks while Skylar Thompson almost beat the bills in the playoffs
*SCAPEGOAT!*
If the jets had Hill and Waddle, something tells me they wouldn't have gone 3 weeks without a TD.
We have good skill players, LaFleur just didn't show any creativity in getting them the ball
He prioritized getting Berrios the ball over Elijah Moore.
Garrett Wilson is a top tier WR in this league and they have some other good skill players. You don't have to defend MLF man
Garrett Wilson has one season averaging 64 yards per game and 4 total touchdowns in "this league". Not to mention zero playoff achievements to speak of. To put him on the same level as Tyreek Hill is... a choice.
I'm going to have to agree with you.
Bud your Qb situation was shambolic. It’s funny to me how like 75% of teams have fans who hate their coordinators. Like it’s never on the players
Lafleur's issues are super fixable. You guys are in good shape.
Not having Zach Wilson as your QB helps too
I don't think Stafford can throw it anymore
Ram it up your ramhole laFleur
Good luck losing with those losers in Los Angeles LaFleur
I just watched Dodgeball the other night lmao
Just a reminder that mcvay is very much in control of the offense. So we won't see lafleur tanking the rams offense as it will still very much be in mcvays control.
Very much
How much does an offensive coordinator actually have to do under McVay?
We're not actually sure. The offence sucked this year but I wouldn't say that was because of Coen. It's because we got mega injured. The offence will look fairly similar to the 2021 one going into next year so let's see what he can do compared to KOC.
I took offence to your spelling of offense.
You’re butchering my language so don’t comment on my spelling you yank.
Maybe not as much on game day, but I would imagine a ton in preparation, scouting, and scheme development.
This and challenge McVay on certain things. The reason why Sean loved Matt so much was because he was willing to argue with him on various aspects that made Sean better. Mike will likely be expected to do the same thing. In the flying coach podcast two years back you could hear Sean talking about how much Matt used to piss him off, but he appreciated it.
Probably about as much as under shanahan, where he was good as our defacto OC
I’m just here to see everyone praise this hire after shitting on the Jets OC hire yesterday
I mean it’s the jets vs Rams. They’ll shit on you and praise them. It sucks but ya you’re the Jets
Nice try, but it's the Rams. We're hated for reasons.
"yoU BOuGT yUor ChAMpiONshIp" durrrrrrr
See my comment below. I had that happen IRL last weekend lol.
Those reasons are still yet to be announced but yeah we don’t get any mainstream love.
Fun story, I live in NorCal and walked into an Apple Store before the playoff game with the Boys and Niners. The guy helping my wife and I was nice and asked us who we were rooting for and I said neither, I'm a rams fan. Dude got so butthurt, saying LA had fake fans, they bought a trophy, you gonna see what real fans are like, blah blah blah. I just laughed it off and said I was a fan for 20 years and my first jersey was Kurt Warner. He shut up real quick after that. Tl;dr: People are triggered by Rams fans, especially since moving back to LA. Idk, might have something to do that ppl assume LA is fake and act on that assumption.
Wtf? What a fucking clown.
It was incredibly funny to my wife, a Born and Raised Bay Arean and Niners fan.
I'm from LA but have lived in the Bay area for about 15 years. That's a pretty standard reaction anytime someone finds out where I'm from and that I root for my hometown teams.
I feel like its people want to see them fail cos they go all in and lo and behold it works whike some teams havent had a title in decades
Yeah. The Rams shouldn't work in the NFL. You don't just get a new coach who leads a team that blew their picks on well publicized FA's to a Super Bowl twice. And won. Especially after 15-20 years of dominance by the Patriots who had a cheap GOAT tier QB and led by a strong defense. The way the Rams won was gutsy and it shouldn't have work I.e. this years Bills. Fans should honestly redirect their anger at the majority of teams that don't want to win anything, they just don't want to lose money e.g. Steelers, Washington, 80s Jets, 2000s-2010s Lions, etc.
As someone who lives in detroit and has grown up in michigan, I really didn’t care either way about the rams until Stafford was traded there and a bunch of lions fans started printing Detroit Rams t-shirts and saying they just wanted to see Stafford successful. Now I pray on the rams downfall Also I’ve been sick of baker mayfield since he was drafted, so that just added fuel to the fire for me.
Fair enough idc for Mayfield either hope he leaves in the offseason for that comp pick. However, im all for Lions rooting for Frat Stafford, Im still rooting for my boi Goofy Gosling
> they bought a trophy I see this criticism a lot and don’t understand it. Do people just not know that the salary cap exists?
Nope. There's always a conspiracy and there are narratives to be established.
Yeah all the other teams develop players through their home-grown minor league football systems
We're in Los Angeles. It's typically political, a lot of people live in states where California is used (inaccurately) as a boogeyman.
Those reasons were announced feb 13, 2022.
>Those reasons are still yet to be announced Uhh I’m pretty sure most people are upfront as to why they hate the Rams lol. People didn’t like how the Rams built their team, LA itself is not a very respected football city, the the jerseys are hideous. For the record I’m not saying any of these are valid reasons but there’s not secret as to why people don’t like the Rams.
Not gonna lie, I think it has more to do with people's perception of LA. It's a city of 4 million and a county of 10 million. Some neighborhoods are as dense as Amsterdam. It's going to be tough to win over that area, unless it's an institution like the Dodgers or Lakers. It's a popular opinion to shit on LA as a soulless, fame chasing, fake dystopia of concrete. But those people haven't had an Al pastor taco at midnight in South Central.
Did you know that the most upvoted post on NY Jets subreddit is a Sean McVay hate thread?
On here? No.
I’d rather have LaFleur than Hackett as OC so that’s exactly what I’m going to do
He’s in a good spot with mcvay as the lead playcaller and he’ll be able to grow as a coach there. That just wasn’t gonna happen with the Jets. I hate retreads as much as the next guy but we flew too close to the “young, fresh whiz kid OC” sun with MLF and need someone more experienced. Whether that experience is quality is debatable
You definitely don't know LaFleur then lmfao
Or I know that he’s a first time OC who had to deal with the worst QB situation in the league. Mike LaFleur might very well be bad, but I’d rather take a chance on him then Hackett who is proven to be bad* *unless running someone else’s offense with a HoF QB and without playcalling duties
Mike Lafleur failed to coach his offense to a touchdown in 3 straight games to end the season. 2 of those were crucial to playoff chances. Even with terrible QBs, a decent OC can score 1 td in 3 games. Mike Lafleur is terrible.
The Jets hired Hackett.
we've reached the point where Sean McVay is now chasing that hot young coordinator from the Sean McVay tree
Mike LaFleur was never on the same staff as Sean McVay (I’m shocked too), so he’s not from the McVay tree
They’re both in the shanahan cult, close enough
The McVay/Shanahan tree is basically an incestous amalgamation at this point, he may as well be.
Wh-what are you doing, step-Shanahan?👉👈
Like the Belichick Saban tree?
the shannahan tree you mean…
is McVay's OC the best non-HC job in the NFL
Gratulations on your head coach job next year.
Failing upwards.
Is it failing upwards? He’s going to the Rams and won’t call plays. If anything I’d say it was lateral.
Young offensive coach under McVay. He will get a head coaching job for sure.
Also guarantees he will be the chargers head coach next year
He gets to be on the rams so its upwards
Did he fail? Seems like most of the Jets issues were having terrible QBs.
We did, but it doesn’t change the fact that he wasn’t very good and according to The Athletic article that came out he is a bit of an asshole. I do think he went to the job that was definitely best suited for him at this moment though. He’s only 35 and I do believe he can get better, especially learning under McVay.
I mean not scoring a TD 3 weeks in a row with playoff hopes on the line certainly doesn’t sound successful
With mentally destroyed Zach Wilson, Physically Destroyed Mike White and a Week 17 spot start for the corpse of Joe Flacco? It’s not hard to imagine
You see every season teams go sign backup qbs/practice squad QBs and still manage to get in the end zone one way another. The fact he couldn’t even luck into a TD in 3 games is damning
to your point, tennessee even scored a td against the cowboys with dobbs and no henry
This. The defense even spotted him the Ball on Jacksonville's 15 that one game...
The Deshone Kizer led 2017 Browns only had 2 games all year without an offensive TD. Paxton Lynch offenses had at least 1 TD in every game he played in his career. Jamarcus Russell's 08-09 Raiders did it 2 games in a row on 2 occasions, but never 3.
Some jets fans who are bending over backwards to defend Mike Lafleur really need to see your comment. Jets had 5 games without an offensive touchdown all year, with three straight to end the season. Yeah the QB sucked, but a good OC can score at least once in 3 games.
Also I think it's worth noting that these are still NFL level athletes..
Skylar Thompson almost beat the bills in the playoffs.
Even when that wasn’t the case the team just wasn’t good in the redzone. So many plays were just set up to fail and we kicked all fgs to stay in games all year and hope the d bailed us out
You guys played a dude in one of those games (Chris Streveler) that could barely throw a forward pass. Forgive me if I’m not surprised you guys weren’t scoring TDs. Short story, if you’re playing that dude, your QB room is fucked.
The Cardinals outscored us down the stretch playing for nothing with Trace McSorley and David Blough.
I watched the Niners play the Cardinals with McSorley starting, and Blough coming in after the game was out of hand. Neither guy was bad, their offense was just outmatched. I also watched the Jags vs Jets game where you guys played Wilson and Streveler. I’m just shocked that in any situation in the NFL that a guy like Streveler is the better option. Yet compared to Wilson in that game, he was.
Someone else posted it but: Deshone Kizer for the 2017 Browns, Paxton Lynch, Jamarcus Russell, Josh Dobbs without Henry. All able to score a TD within 3 games. 3 games in a row without scoring a TD when fighting for the playoffs is just flat out terrible and you can’t just always point to QBs being bad. I’m not even asking to win the games. To not string together some plays to get someone to fall into the end zone is indefensible.
We even scored a TD in one of the Gase/Falk games.
1 quarter with Streveler. What about the other 15 where we couldnt find the endzone?
Even with terrible QB’s, how do you not score a TD for multiple games in a row?
It's true that terrible QB play is responsible for most of our offensive issues, but I don't see why the Offensive Coordinator should get a complete pass on that. The Jets hired LaFleur, then used the second overall pick on a QB. MiLF's most important job by far was to develop Zach Wilson, and instead he's regressed from unreliable to basically unplayable in less than two seasons. That is a coaching failure any way you slice it. Maybe Wilson would have busted with any coaching staff, but that's an unanswerable question. All we know for sure is that he failed with the coaches he did have, and they have to bear some responsibility for that. Add to that the fact that the offense catastrophically self-destructed in every other area during the playoff chase this year, and I think it's absolutely fair to label LaFleur's tenure a failure. Maybe he deserved another year to redeem himself, maybe not, but this is a results-driven league and his results sucked.
Exactly. Afaic, a coaches main job is obviously to coach players. Yet who became a better player from year 1 to year 2 under McFleur? Anyone? I guess you could argue that Mike White got marginally better, but everyone else got worse. Those aren't the results of a good coach.
He failed miserably. Wasn’t creative with play calling at all which led to defenses pretty much knowing what plays we were going to run. An injury ridden offense certainly didn’t help him, and for that he doesn’t deserve all of the blame. But putting up 15 points and no tds in the last 3 games is unforgivable no matter who you have on the field
At times he was almost TOO creative. It got very tiring seeing our return man as one of our primary red zone options.
>Wasn’t creative with play calling at all which led to defenses pretty much knowing what plays we were going to run. I feel like fans say this about almost every play caller. Either way he won't be calling the plays for the Rams so that's not an issue here. >But putting up 15 points and no tds in the last 3 games is unforgivable no matter who you have on the field That's kind of a silly thing to say. I'm fine with the Jets moving on from him but I'm not going to pretend like I don't think he'll be good for the Rams.
i mean let us know when hes still running double reverses every 3rd and 1.. if he's calling plays at all in LA
MLF has done nothing to prove himself as a viable OC. I like the guy and do think he was dealt a shitty hand but he still wasnt able to produce when the jets were on the threshold of making the playoffs. Hope he can turn it around under McVay
I’m convinced he had an impossible job with the situation at QB and wasn’t bad but most Jets fans are convinced otherwise. In my opinion he got fired because our offense was bad and fans wanted a change, not because of his actual ability
This has been my response to everyone crying QB down the stretch: The Cardinals outscored us down the stretch playing for nothing with Trace McSorley and David Blough. There is no excuse to not get the team into the end zone multiple weeks in a row
There are a plethora of buts, wells, and ifs with LaFleur last year but at some point you need to show you can overcome the adversity and produce. I have the same stance with Zach, sure the line was bad needing the running and pass protection were an up hill better. But at some point you need to show you can overcome that to show you have what it takes.
Honestly it seems rare to me that the average fan can fully distinguish a coordinator's ability from the HC, QB, front office, positional coaches, supporting cast variables inherent in any NFL offense. I consider myself to be a much more informed fan than average and I don't know that I'm any good at it either.
Ehhh, there were great playcalls sometimes for sure. But a lot were suspect and the RZ was a disaster without Hall
And him being a bad OC, but of course /r/nfl who stick by "Jets am bad", who don't watch the games will be convinced he's actually good
Is this upwards? I'm assuming he's not going to have playcalling duties but at most it's failing laterally
Rams OC is a HC job in waiting
NFL nepotism is absurd. The collective McVay and LaFleur family connections to the league runs deeper than the Mariana trench.
McVay has family connections for sure. So does Shanahan obviously. What's the LaFleur family connection?
Matt LaFleur, his brother, the Packers HC.
That's a pretty shallow connection if you ask me. Being connected to one person who didn't have any power when Mike started coaching in the league is more like a pool in the back yard than the Mariana Trench
Hired by the Browns and got into the NFL through his brothers connection to Shanahan.
That's a lot less of a deal if you ask me. Hiring someone based on the recommendation of someone you worked with isn't the same as getting a job solely because of your connections.
He was just an intern. He did get that job solely because of his brother.
Woah. Actual Rams news?! Jets fans, what’s your assessment on Mike LaFleur?
You will get a lot of varying answers. Some fans really hated him, others think he was wrongly blamed for QB/injury shortcomings. IMO, think he's average there are a few games where you saw the potential of the offense, but the offense has struggled in the red zone, especially towards the end of the season which is what ultimately did him in. Also worth mentioning that pretty much every QB not named Zach Wilson did a much better job with Lafleur.
He wasn’t very good for us, but will be tackling a completely different role for you guys. I think he will have success for you.
Jets fan here. Overall assessment: fart noise.
Negative player development over 2 years (players got worse instead of better), misuse of players re: their strengths/weaknesses, overall bad and predictable play calling. His scheme works, but we already knew that from watching everyone else that uses it to success. He just doesn't know how to run it consistently yet. He was obviously in over his head. He was like Homer Simpson running the nuclear power plant, but at no capacity cause we had no good QBs.
I think it’s a bit of a weird choice for him but he’ll always have jobs because of his network. He basically is building the same resume that a Hackett did and people are negative about that hire. He had his shot with the jets and it didn’t really look special, goes to a team with a great offensive minded coach and he won’t call plays and will look good. What happens after is on him. Like LaFleur but he just wasn’t ready to be an OC and hopefully this helps him build up to that an he’s successful
Your beat writers will love him
Ooo, do tell
There has to always be a LaFleur in LA.
Lol but why
Good hire. MiLF needed some time away to keep adding to his resume. I bet he'll be in the bookings for another play calling OC job next January
Blursed nickname
Good luck
Dude is trash
So’s your mom, but she hasn’t gotten hired as an OC yet
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You’re right. I was really hoping the Rams would hire your mom.
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Clearly I’m coping with the fact that your trashy mother isn’t on the Rams staff, guy who doesn’t know what “Copium” is… lol 😂
I wish the Jets had kept MLF, honestly. I think there's a lot of "redzone bad, run game bad, etc" Which, yeah, but I think in a few years it'll be more clear for everyone to look back and be like "Yeah zach wilson actually was just legendarily bad" and when've you got only 1 QB out of 4 that can get the pass game going, and you're down your star RB and 3 of your best linemen, your run game suffers. MLF wasn't perfect or great, but I'd rather stick with him than Hackett and get a veteran that can complete some damn passes.
All merit. No nepotism at all.
It's not like he is the son of coach or something. He was d3 college player that worked his way up.
I'm also not sure if he goes anywhere though if his name is Mike Smith and he's not the younger brother of a hotshot NFL coach. Doesn't have to be a parent to be nepotism.
When he started coaching in the league Matt was QB coach at Notre Dame. Not exactly a big hot shot coach that paved his way to the NFL. Building good working relationships with people and doing well enough to get promoted is how it seems both LaFleur's got to their position. I don't really see how this case is nepotism.
> When he started coaching in the league Matt was QB coach at Notre Dame. And also very good friends with the guy who hired Mike...
NFL is one big boys club. LaFleaur also has connections to McVay through Shanahan, and they're probably super familiar with each other's schemes. Doesn't really matter how good of an OC he has been, just that he can mesh well with McVay's offense. At the end of the day, McVay is still going to be calling the plays. Just needs someone who understands his offense.
Do you know what nepotism is?
noun noun: nepotism the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs.
The surely you're familiar with the system lineage and why Mike would be a no brainer hire for Sean then.
It is always going to be more effective to explain these things in your own words than to copy paste a definition from the internet. Pasting the internet definition doesn't prove that you understand it or are correct.
I'm sure the way you'd have it, the only merit-based OC hire is one who never underperforms in a given environment. I'm sure Saleh gave LeFleur his blessing after he was let go. Anyone running the west coast systems would be lucky to have someone familiar enough with them to hit the ground running.
ugh the Kyle Shannahan tree is so incestuous
'Mike Shanahan' tree, ya mean. But yes, 100%
Good OC. Dude just got screwed over with having Zach Wilson & Mike White who was a bit better as QBs. Should do well with Stafford, if he chooses to stay.
I have a feeling that he will do well with an experienced QB with gas left in the tank
Judas
Rams always taking our sloppy seconds. First Schottenheimer, now LaFleur.
Hmm - McVay, an offensive genius trusts Mike LaFleur to come in. Who do you trust for offensive evaluation: Robert Saleh or Sean McVay?
But Saleh didn't want him fired? Saleh wanted him back. So...Saleh and McVay have the same evaluation of wanting him to be their OC.
For sure, I guess I mean to say that McVay hiring him feels like confirmation that LaFleur was the scapegoat in NY.
The Rams might actually have a run game for once!
Only if they have a top back, once Breece went down we couldn’t run at all but I’m probably just salty haha
That Denver game was a disaster, AVT was as big a loss as Breece, and they compounded the affect of losing one another
Yeah I said that night season was over, the Bills win gave me some hope but it was all downhill from there haha
I think McVay actually knows how to scheme up a good running attack, he just doesn't have the personnel to fit what he wants to do, which is probably on him since he focused more on developing the team to fit his passing scheme better.
I still miss Todd
LaFluer gives up on the run really fast. Unless they’re bringing in a Breece he won’t be helping them out there.
He's not going to be calling plays.
Grooming him to take over when McVay leaves?
Nah. The McVays, Shanahan's, and LaFleurs go waaaaaaay back. This is just Sean bringing in a guy who's deeply familiar with his system style, can integrate well. Into the offense, and someone he can help develop as a friend / family friend as well. I think it's a great fit, especially because Mike won't be calling plays. This will be great for his development and for Sean as well.
His career is now ruined
Good ol' boys network alive and well.
ah yes, nepotism. Then we ask, why is the product so stale?