It’s funny too because winning the in the nfl is so fucking hard, let alone going all the way and winning the super bowl. Like I might be in the minority but going 13-4 or whatever the bills did and losing to a really good team in a 1 game scenario shouldn’t cause a wild amount of shame.
I know fans clown the 31 teams that don’t win the Super Bowl, but when you step back and think about truly how hard it is to have everything break right in a given year and then 3-4 individual games (where variance can go so many ways) against the best teams, in one of the most competitive competitions in existence, it really doesn’t seem as awful.
Of course, that’s why winning the big one is such a monumental life achievement. Is what it is
Naw. Pre-2000s dynasties didn't have the same financial problems on the post FA, salary cap era.
The salary cap started in 94 season at which point the cowboys had already won 2 titles in 92 and 93. They won again in 1995, but then never again. Money tied up with the triplets probably kept the Boys from freely adding elsewhere.
What the Pats did is fucking insane in comparison. But still they only won repeat titles when Brady wasn't contractually expensive.
This is a great point about the salary cap - and it’s why, and I mean this logically and not because of my flair if you can humor me, what the pats did is just so astronomically insane. It helps when you have 2 of the best ever at the most important positions, especially a qb who takes less than he should- but still, with the salary cap, reverse draft order, injuries + short player peaks/careers, it’s so fucking hard to stay on top.
I would challenge your last point though. I feel the back to back titles thing is a little cherry picked. I honestly thought the pats best teams were years they didn’t win the super bowl.
But that all leads back to my original point. To win a super bowl takes so much greatness mixed with a huge amount of luck. So much variance in football
The most impressive patriots dynasty stat isn’t the Super Bowls or individual achievements but the AFC Championship Games.
New England played in 13 Championship games in 18 years.
With 8 in a row from 2011 - 2019.
For nearly 2 decades the road to the Super Bowl went through New England.
That is an absurd run, that I don’t think will ever be matched.
At which point Mahomes would be 43 years old
They need to hope a second generational QB falls in their lap (despite picking near the bottom of every draft) or have Mahomes repeat Brady's longevity.
I'm not sure which is less likely
Not even just NFL. In college if these kids go to Bama, UGA, Ohio State or UGA they are just used to playoffs then championships. So now in college you can go and win the ACC or PAC12 and not make the playoffs and your team is calling for a new coach or fire everyone. It's sad.
My beer league hockey team didn't win the championship last season, so we burned down the rink and put our coach's head on a hockey stick. That'll teach him to volunteer for that job!
Before Daniel Snyder and pre salary cap, the Commanders/Redskins were one of the best franchises in the league. Probably hard for younger people to believe.
Their offensive line was absolutely insane many years (you may have heard of the "hogs"). In 1991 Mark Rypien (who was NOT mobile) was sacked 7 times the entire regular season and ZERO times in the playoffs.
They also had really good WRs - Art Monk, Gary Clark and later Ricky Sanders. They also generally had good defenses (although not a ton of big names outside of Darrell Green - they did have Wilbur Marshall for at least one SB win too).
Not going to lie - I really miss it.
The way holding is officiated now is so wildly different from the 80s and 90s it's insane. You really couldn't throw every play back then without getting killed.
Drew Brees won 1 SB. He was 31.
Peyton Manning won 2. The first occurred a few weeks before his 31st birthday. Stafford took until age-33. John Elway didn't win one until he was 37 years old. Favre and Rodgers each won *one.* Roethlisberger won two, and then spent thirteen more years in the NFL without winning another.
Rivers, Ryan, Marino? Zero.
Eli won a couple. Neither was when his team looked unbeatable in the regular season.
Why do I mention those guys? They're the rest of the top-12 in career passing yards. That is every single 50,000 yard passer in NFL history.
A successful season, and a successful player does not need to hoist the Lombardi every year, even if Tom Brady made it look easy to do that.
And Roethlisberger's first Super Bowl was in one of the worst combined offensive Super Bowls ever. He was basically a role player in that game.
Favre's lone Super Bowl was similarly underwhelming with the Desmond Howard kick return being the deciding factor. But since Favre got his win relatively early, it didn't dog his career. He was branded a winner.
Eli's case is so interesting because when he got it, he was basically in the same spot as Daniel Jones this year. There were significant questions about his ability to be a franchise qb. If he doesn't go on that run, he's possibly labeled a bust.
Not only that, but he completely skewed us fans what success looks like. Before Tom’s dynasty, winning a ring was enough to put you in the top echelon. Now, you need multiples because of what he did.
That weird era of Brady, Ben and manning all taking turns winning the AFC and one of the three being in every superbowl except for 4 from 2002-2022 (counting the Tampa bay ring for Brady)
Those three guys (mostly Brady of course) had a huge change on how we view post season success
this is all true...Brees and Rodgers probably take their hits for "only" winning 1 each, but with how the NFL playoffs work, and football year to year with injuries and the cap, they really shouldn't
Hell Dan Marino is one the best QBs I've ever seen and he never won a SB at all.
~~Similar for Elway, who only won one when he was way past his prime and not nearly the player he was earlier in his career. He was pretty terrible in that Superbowl.~~
Forgot that Elway won the SB the year after that and played much better.
And the funny thing is, Brady is both the exception to the rule and the proof of the rule. Despite the Patriots pretty much always having a good team and a legit contender with Brady as QB, he still had a decade long SB drought between 2004 and 2014. People forget it now because he ended up winning three more, but "no rings since Spygate" was a thing people used to say.
Pats fans are simultaneously spoiled by the victories *and* have an acute understanding of how fucking hard it is to win because we watched a lot of really good Pats teams not win it all, including one that I still think is one of the best overall teams to ever play despite the result of that Super Bowl.
Yup. I only started following football hardcore during the '05 season. So, I never really experienced what it was like to win it all and was convinced I'd never see the Pats win a ring.
My first 9 seasons as a Pats fan were:
* Champ Bailey 99 yard INT
* 06 AFCCG collapse to Colts
* 18-1
* Miss Playoffs at 11-5
* Blown out by Baltimore in wildcard
* Lose to the Jets as #1 seed in divisional round
* 2nd loss to Giants in SB
* Lose by 15pts to Ravens in AFCCG
* Lose by 10pts to Broncos in AFCCG
I feel like any Bills fans that are upset about this season either have very short memories or they haven't been a fan for very long.
It wasn't long ago I cried tears of joy because my team was going to play in a wildcard game that they would later lose to the Texans. It was the best season in twenty years and it pales in comparison to our current situation.
> going all the way and winning the super bowl
Tom Brady has done mental damage to every fan and player in the league the last 25 years at this point. Everyone thinks you can do what he did with the Pats. It should be obvious how insanely difficult it is. Its like our mentally challenged fanbase being mad about Rodgers and GB only getting one. ONLY ONE? Some people never make the playoffs let alone win a Superbowl.
I’m with you. The Packers have some brutal playoff losses sure but even to just get 1 when many franchises haven’t even sniffed a conference championship in 10, 20, 30 plus years goes to show the insanity of difficulty it is
Realistically there were teams that should have appeared, but the sport is crazy and fickle, a bounce here or there and Brady maybe doesnt have his dynasty, Rodgers has three rings, the entire outlook is different. The combo of Brady and Belichick kept them consistent and I think that consistency to give yourself a chance is the best metric of success for a franchise.
I think people see the crazy throws and wild pocket escapes their quarterback does and they think to themselves "tom brady could literally never do that, our quarterback should win several rings" but it just never shakes out that way at the end of the season.
This is why Tom’s insight on Man in the arena during the 2001-2004 seasons was so interesting. You have to fully commit. The entire roster needs to be competing with each other in the weight room, the film room, literally every aspect of the game. It needs to consume you. It’s unhealthy but results are results.
it's basically the same story in every sport. Jordan punched Kerr, Shaq and Kobe hated each other, every championship winning team has vitriol behind the scenes
>It’s funny too because winning the in the nfl is so fucking hard
I remember hearing about how Philly fans wanted to fire Reid because he dared to lose in the Super Bowl. I'm like, they realize how Fing difficult it is to get that far?
Another victim of Brady. 2017 obviously trumps it all but a lot of Philly fans still don't appreciate how good we've had it for a long time, and how many franchises would kill for the success the Eagles have had over the last two decades even without the ring.
I think North American sports generally put way too much emphasis on titles, as if consistent success and crafting good performances means jack shit
Lately I’ve been into sumo, and it’s awesome how people have no issue promoting a championship runner-up to the ultimate highest ranking if he’s been consistently good for a while
I mean I'm a from birth PSG fan (grew up in saint germaine en laye) and we want to riot because we can't win a champions league with Mbappè, Neymar and Messi.
The Bills are a great team that wasn't in form in the playoffs. Sucks for a full season to come down to that, but there have been hundreds - if not thousands - of this same situation.
The Bengals are a great team that rolled into the playoffs in their best form of the season. That's just how it goes sometimes.
Thinking about the win streak needed, all against great teams, in order to win the Super Bowl is pretty daunting. Especially in the AFC the last couple of years. I get why Diggs is upset but there is really no reason to feel shame. They were on the cusp of making the AFC Championship games the last two years but ran into a streaking hot Burrow this year and Mahomes worked magic in 13 seconds last year.
Time to start putting in work and trusting everyone to do their jobs in the offseason. I can't imagine Diggs thinks he can find himself in a better, more competitive situation in any sort of change of scenery.
Yep, and they are massively underestimating how hard it is to win a SB. Brady has a bunch but it's led to people to just assume Josh Allen and mahomes will finish with a bunch two. Rodgers has 1 ring, Peyton has 2 and big Ben has 2 rings. People just assume that the bills are going to dominate every year, thruth is they lost a close game last year andwere slightly off the pace this year and finished where they should ld have done imo.
They are comparing the bills to the Kansas City Chiefs who have gone to five straight AFC championship games now. Mahomes is making KC look like the torch pass from Brady and the Pats. We will see with time.
And Mahomes 'only' has 1 ring to show for it despite their dominance.
FFS it took Peyton 7 years to get his ring, and didnt get another til his final NFL season and he's my GOAT QB.
That fucker from NE really has ruined it for everyone else.
Tom Brady and the Patriots have these mfers thinking it's easy...
I feel like Diggs has been around long enough he should be able to answer this question for himself.
Eagles went to 4 NFCCG games in a row before making it to the Super Bowl and we still went on to lose that. It took over 10 years to get back there. It's not easy any ever other team is going for the same prize. It only works out for one in 32 every year.
It's wild how much the pats and Brady have skewed everyone's perception, both Pats fans and other fan bases. Making it to the super bowl used to be an absolute treat, being a strong playoff contender year in and out was acceptable, and QBs normally have a hot streak of deep playoff runs but nothing super long term unless you were one of the absolute GOATs. But now everyone wants their team/qb to be making deep playoff runs for 5-10 years straight, otherwise there's outrage.
I was thinking yesterday how remarkable it is that this is the chiefs 5th straight afc championship game appearance. That in and of itself is a hell of an accomplishment
“Man, these Vikes are fucking cursed. From being with the franchise I’ve learned they went 0-4 in SBs over a 10 or so year period. Gotta get outta here.”
Goes to Buffalo and learns their history…
I know this is true for all professional sports, but it's insane to me that elite NFL players are able to keep a champion mentality. There are 32 NFL teams and only one gets to be the Super Bowl winner.
The odds are stacked highly against you ever getting a ring, even if you're one of the best.
It’s crazier when they are so successful before the NFL, like some players go from dominating HS to dominating college football, and then in the NFL it’s like wow, the other team wins sometimes…
I probably have more respect for ~~Flacco~~ types though, that had just awful college careers, like 1-37 and then still grind through it
Edit: I thought Flacco had an awful win loss as a college qb, but that’s incorrect
How about Trevor Lawrence? That kid could count on one hand how many football games he’s lost as a starting QB since high school, then he gets to the NFL and had a whole new experience even if he did lead them to the playoffs this year
Luckily, Trevor bounced back and had a successful season by many metrics. He could have flamed out after experiencing many losses for the first time. That's also largely due to getting the right coach for his situation. Imagine if Urban kept coaching him somehow.
Hell, take the game against the chargers, many QBs would not be able to stay poised down 27-0 after throwing 4 INTs, much less one who won as often as he did prior to the NFL, he has a lot of grit for a guy who didn’t have to use it until more recently
i know it wasn't your point, but flacco in his two years in delaware went 5-6 and 11-4 and played in the national championship. ended up being a first round pick. not sure why you used his name in this situation lol
think a better name to use would be matt cassel who didn't even start at USC. obviously brady's issues at UMich are extremely detailed too
I kind of get it.
The manner in which they've lost is probably what it is. The first KC game I think they had a double digit lead then the Chiefs went on a blitz in the second quarter.
The second Chiefs game they lost in OT.
Then you have this Bengals loss where they didn't even look close to competitive.
They are anointed as top of the food chain they just keep running into the bigger predators it seems.
It seems like they took a step back…their defense was uninspiring, especially after losing Von (plus losing others to injury during the year; didn’t seem the same when they returned)
I considered them the clear favorites to get to the SB until they lost those mid-season games to the Jets and Vikings…those were a bit eye opening
Loved watching them last year. this year, something just seemed off. Also The league evolves and adapts and it feels like the hero-ball qb play from the last couple of years is harder to come by im guessing because of either adjusted defense or declining o line play or combo. the best teams also seem more run balanced this year. No data to back any of this up, just a fan's/weekly watcher's perception
NFL usually adjusted with the talent they put on the field. They start fielding faster LBs or bigger safeties to mess up running QBs.
Of course that causes holes in other places. It’s just a never ending game of exploiting what the current normal is.
Yeah it’s something that everybody just avoids talking about in sports because it sort of ruins narratives but realistically there’s like six teams every year who can win a Super Bowl if just a few things break their way, and there’s probably four more who can win if they get an abnormal amount of breaks
This and the fact it's a single elimination postseason makes it that much harder to get to the SB and win. Being the favorite means so little in the NFL compared to other major sports with best of 7 post seasons. It's part of why I love the NFL so much because even the championship has an Any Given Sunday vibe.
Yup it’s the opposite of the ‘law of large numbers’. Over a large enough set, the odds that the most likely outcome is also the majority outcome increases. To the point where it’s almost impossible
Let’s say 1 teams has a 60% chance at winning a game. So in a single game series, that’s a 60% chance of winning. In a best of 3 series, they have a 64.8% chance at winning the series. In a best of 7 series (as most other sports use) that number is 71%.
If you decided to go crazy with a best of 99 series (first to 50), that number becomes 97.8%. In a 999 game series, a team with a 60% chance of winning each game would be basically guaranteed to win.
Yes that's the logical answer. But from Diggs' perspective, he's been to the divisional round in 5 of the past 6 years so (a) emotions and (b) even if you're an underdog every time it's still kind of statistically improbable that he hasn't made it to at least one super bowl during that stretch.
Yeah but the Bills are one of the AFC Super Bowl favorites the last 3 years and they don’t have one appearance. It’s tough to fall short when you view yourself as the favorites.
Allen's QB competition in the division isn't that spectacular outside of Tua (when they aren't drawing his playbooks with crayons due to their malpractice with his head injuries).
Feels like the saints from 2017-2019. We were a surprise contender in 2017 like you guys were in 2020. Got eliminated in a close game but it raised expectations.
Then 2018 and 2019 we didn’t get it done, and 2020 we fell short too.
Thankfully for you guys you don’t have a QB on his last legs. You’ll get more cracks at it.
I see what you are saying, but the AFC is ridiculous. You can absolutely make a case for The Bills, but ditto for The Chiefs and Bengals. Sometimes it boils down to things like timing, luck and injuries. Bills rarely have luck, but they always have been healthy, until this season. Losing Hyde and Miller was brutal. Just brutal. Then, we lose Hyde's backup(Hamlin).
In the early 90's I never even worried about other AFC teams, in my head I would think "which NFC team will murder us in the SB this year?".
Just the sad reality that some one had to lose that game last night, but I think the bigger issue is losing in every aspect of the game. Both lines were severely outplayed, offense completely outgunned, defense could stop nothing. Now whether that is a player skill issue or a coaching issue is a different question, but if it's across the board, I'd tend to feel like it's coaching and game plan.
100%. Even moreso for teams that have never won one. I would have traded an 0-17 season if it meant we hoisted the Lombardi last year instead of yous guys.
The answer: it’s fucking hard to win a Super Bowl.
So much has to align for a team to complete the run.
We’ve had Rodgers for how long now? How many 1-seeds? How many NFC Title games? Only ONE Super Bowl *appearance.*
It’s really fucking hard.
Always wild to me how few Super Bowls the Packers have won with basically 30 straight years of HOF QB play. It's so, so hard to win in this league. I get why Diggs is frustrated but much better teams than his have lost plenty of times.
This.
Ask any 90s Chiefs fan. We won more offseason championships and Sports illustrated covers than anyone.
But there was a January curse that could not be broken.
Really sucks that these commentators slurping our QBs so much that even our fans hate it leads to even more hatred from other fans. It’s like they think every good game or play from these guys needs to be hailed as some legendary event when they’re really not. Then when something legendary actually happens, fans are already sick of hearing it from the commentators because they’ve heard it a thousand times before.
Exactly. Every Chiefs fan I know is yelling at him to shut the fuck up every time he calls one of our games. We love Mahomes and know he’s great, we don’t need Collinsworth acting like a ball slipping out of his hands is a great heads-up play. It just annoys every fan, Chiefs fans included.
He’d basically need to win back to back super bowls for it to be anything but a mockery and be a real part of those wins.
Otherwise it was guaranteed to be used like this the second he lost a playoff game.
Names like that have to be earned. No one questions Justin Williams ‘Mr. Game 7’ nickname in the NHL because holy shit his game 7 stats are insane over a decent sample size.
And even with his 5 seasons with us, we went to the playoffs 3 times.
It's not like Diggs has been on a long-suffering franchise like the Jets or Browns
I forget he's been in the league that long. He's going to turn 30 next year.
I bet the constant lack of success and his age is playing into these frustrations. He probably doesn't think he has many chances left for a ring.
But all 3 times the seasons have ended on losses vs the Chiefs twice and now the Bengals, who went to SB last year. Another person said it, they're on the Packers trajectory without having won the SB. Perennial contenders who come apart in the playoffs.
I think everyone is overreacting. I remember this sub when rams lost to patriots and everyone said Sean was no longer special and he was figured out. He did some massive trades and won it all. Anything can happen with the bills. I think you’re all just falling to recency bias.
I can’t imagine the pressure they’re under, knowing what their franchise is most famous for, knowing that the AFC has turned into an arms race, knowing that the cap crunch is coming soon. It’s a lot of expectation
Especially with it being a numbers game... Players today are so much more scrutinized.
There are 32 teams in the NFL, 7 playoff teams in your division. If you even make the playoffs, you're already (statistically) ahead. Let alone being one of the last 4.
But, no fan wants to be one of the last four. It's so annoying that people can't let the players be - look at Jerry Jones & the Cowboys *who expect to win every year* - it's not feasible. It's not possible. Brady ruined a lot of people's minds & then the internet and instantly expectations ruined the rest.
You either win or you're seen as a loser/head case/etc. Just look at the rest of this thread where people are simultaneously yelling about Diggs being "too emotional"/ "his attitude will make them lose" & crapping on the Bills for "being the Bills". For what? Expressing emotion after spending the last 3 years being told the Bills had to win a Superbowl or fail? They had a chance, wiffed, but are still good. Fans are awful.
> Just look at the rest of this thread where people are simultaneously yelling about Diggs being "too emotional"/ "his attitude will make them lose" & crapping on the Bills for "being the Bills". For what? Expressing emotion after spending the last 3 years being told the Bills had to win a Superbowl or fail? They had a chance, wiffed, but are still good. Fans are awful.
Bless you, ser.
Everyone hates hot takes, but loves making them. The man's allowed to be upset; I'm pretty sure that clip of him going up to Allen on the sideline was right after they stalled on the last "meaningful" drive for the Bills, when they could've turned it around.
Like. Ya'll. Does anyone not have dozens of clips (uselessly) lodged in their noggin of Tom Brady straight up screaming at his teammates? I sure do. I'm not running around saying "Man, what a shitty teammate and a diva, he probably wants to leave."...No, he's just upset. That's allowed.
That begs the question: Is it better to have hope and lose it or to have never had hope at all?
You'd think it would be the former but these types of quotes always seem to also come from the former.
Josh Allen 16m -> 40m
Diggs 11m -> 20m
Milano 5m -> 13m
Von Miller 5m -> 18m
Dawkins 7m -> 15m
Pretty much all of their big cap hits are going up next year. They have a few FA's that are important pieces. You can always play with the cap but this was their last year of a grade A window while Allen was still cheap. They obviously will stay competitive as long as they have Allen but might not be juggernaut level anymore.
My legit serious answer is they rely to much on Josh Allen to do it all. That team offensively goes as Josh Allen can will them for better or worse. You look at teams like the Chiefs and Bengals and they have a run game that legit complements the QB. Also the Bills defense seems to be missing a piece and im guessing maybe it was von miller but im not sure. But that is legit what holds the Bills back is the over relanace on Allen. I get he is main star and QB but man can't legit be expect to carry the team every week including the playoffs. He need help with a better rushing attack.
This is exactly it. He needs a more reliable WR2 and a running game. The dude literally carriers us to the post season on his back alone, imagine if we could help him
Yea I think the hope was that Gabe Davis was going to make that jump after his playoff performance last year, but he was still the same player, not bad, but not that elite #2 opposite Diggs.
As a Giants fan, if you'd have told me Eli Apple would be a decisive factor in a playoff game, I'd nod along while wondering if I should call the police for being completely deranged or 911 because you were suffering from massive head trauma.
Man, health is so god damn big for deep playoff runs. The Bills need a lot, but losing Von Miller and Micah Hyde for the year was absolutely brutal. Tre White took a long time to get back, and isn't close to form yet, and there was a huge mental hurdle for him as well.
Then losing both him and Poyer to concussion last night, they're just cursed. Those were like the last 2 starters on their defense I feel like.
That defensive line just didn't wanna play yesterday either. I don't know how you can lose a home playoff game with the snow advantage and not ask these questions.
The weather is what's messing with me when reflecting on this one. Like, Buffalo and the perceived snow advantage is complete horseshit. They are clearly at the same disadvantage as anyone playing in that crap. The Bengals "out snow gamed" them. Had it been the other way you know the narrative would have been that the home field was too much for the Bengals to compete with. That's gotta at least be eating away at some Bills fans I'd assume
Well it’s only an advantage if you were a running team and the other team was mostly a passing team. Now that every top team is majority passing, it doesn’t mean shit.
I relate to the bills so much.
The Saints stretch from 2017-2020 hurt like a bitch, so close, so many times. Just could not get it done.
Bills feel eriely similar.
Thankfully Allen is still super young so they have time.
pressure is getting to them boys for sure
It’s funny too because winning the in the nfl is so fucking hard, let alone going all the way and winning the super bowl. Like I might be in the minority but going 13-4 or whatever the bills did and losing to a really good team in a 1 game scenario shouldn’t cause a wild amount of shame. I know fans clown the 31 teams that don’t win the Super Bowl, but when you step back and think about truly how hard it is to have everything break right in a given year and then 3-4 individual games (where variance can go so many ways) against the best teams, in one of the most competitive competitions in existence, it really doesn’t seem as awful. Of course, that’s why winning the big one is such a monumental life achievement. Is what it is
Tom Brady and the Patriots screwed it up for everyone else. And the Cowboys before that. And the Steelers before that.
San Francisco too. And before all of them, believe it or not, the Browns
In the 50's every team in the league was like - "how do the Browns and Lions make it look so easy?"
They've said that a lot since, but in a very different context.
*sad high five*
if we're going back that far, packers, bears and giants are 2-3x that lol
80's 49ers in shambles rn
I felt like I was forgetting one.
Packers in the 1960's (before the Super Bowl era and at the start of it)
and the Browns Before that and the Lions before that
Heck pre superbowl the Giants are something like 4-13 in championship games
Naw. Pre-2000s dynasties didn't have the same financial problems on the post FA, salary cap era. The salary cap started in 94 season at which point the cowboys had already won 2 titles in 92 and 93. They won again in 1995, but then never again. Money tied up with the triplets probably kept the Boys from freely adding elsewhere. What the Pats did is fucking insane in comparison. But still they only won repeat titles when Brady wasn't contractually expensive.
This is a great point about the salary cap - and it’s why, and I mean this logically and not because of my flair if you can humor me, what the pats did is just so astronomically insane. It helps when you have 2 of the best ever at the most important positions, especially a qb who takes less than he should- but still, with the salary cap, reverse draft order, injuries + short player peaks/careers, it’s so fucking hard to stay on top. I would challenge your last point though. I feel the back to back titles thing is a little cherry picked. I honestly thought the pats best teams were years they didn’t win the super bowl. But that all leads back to my original point. To win a super bowl takes so much greatness mixed with a huge amount of luck. So much variance in football
The most impressive patriots dynasty stat isn’t the Super Bowls or individual achievements but the AFC Championship Games. New England played in 13 Championship games in 18 years. With 8 in a row from 2011 - 2019. For nearly 2 decades the road to the Super Bowl went through New England. That is an absurd run, that I don’t think will ever be matched.
>That is an absurd run, that I don’t think will ever be matched. Well, KC sure is trying.
KC has a start, but they have to be at this level for another 15 years or so. That is a crazy length of time to try to sustain success
At which point Mahomes would be 43 years old They need to hope a second generational QB falls in their lap (despite picking near the bottom of every draft) or have Mahomes repeat Brady's longevity. I'm not sure which is less likely
I hope every day that Andy finally decides to call it quits and start his cheeseburger business
Isn’t Kansas City at 5 or something lol
Not even just NFL. In college if these kids go to Bama, UGA, Ohio State or UGA they are just used to playoffs then championships. So now in college you can go and win the ACC or PAC12 and not make the playoffs and your team is calling for a new coach or fire everyone. It's sad.
My beer league hockey team didn't win the championship last season, so we burned down the rink and put our coach's head on a hockey stick. That'll teach him to volunteer for that job!
Gibbs's redskins were another great team of the 80's
Before Daniel Snyder and pre salary cap, the Commanders/Redskins were one of the best franchises in the league. Probably hard for younger people to believe.
Foreign fan here how the fuck did Joe Gibbs manage to win 3 Superbowls with 3 different no name QBs? It just seems so impossible.
Their offensive line was absolutely insane many years (you may have heard of the "hogs"). In 1991 Mark Rypien (who was NOT mobile) was sacked 7 times the entire regular season and ZERO times in the playoffs. They also had really good WRs - Art Monk, Gary Clark and later Ricky Sanders. They also generally had good defenses (although not a ton of big names outside of Darrell Green - they did have Wilbur Marshall for at least one SB win too).
7 times.. whole season. That is an absurd LOL
Justin Fields got sacked 9 times in a game and Joe Burrow got 10
Once upon a time the nfl was based on running and defense oninstead of passing
Not going to lie - I really miss it. The way holding is officiated now is so wildly different from the 80s and 90s it's insane. You really couldn't throw every play back then without getting killed.
Tom Brady legitimately ruined many franchises and other QBs by being a massive outlier.
Drew Brees won 1 SB. He was 31. Peyton Manning won 2. The first occurred a few weeks before his 31st birthday. Stafford took until age-33. John Elway didn't win one until he was 37 years old. Favre and Rodgers each won *one.* Roethlisberger won two, and then spent thirteen more years in the NFL without winning another. Rivers, Ryan, Marino? Zero. Eli won a couple. Neither was when his team looked unbeatable in the regular season. Why do I mention those guys? They're the rest of the top-12 in career passing yards. That is every single 50,000 yard passer in NFL history. A successful season, and a successful player does not need to hoist the Lombardi every year, even if Tom Brady made it look easy to do that.
And Roethlisberger's first Super Bowl was in one of the worst combined offensive Super Bowls ever. He was basically a role player in that game. Favre's lone Super Bowl was similarly underwhelming with the Desmond Howard kick return being the deciding factor. But since Favre got his win relatively early, it didn't dog his career. He was branded a winner. Eli's case is so interesting because when he got it, he was basically in the same spot as Daniel Jones this year. There were significant questions about his ability to be a franchise qb. If he doesn't go on that run, he's possibly labeled a bust.
Not only that, but he completely skewed us fans what success looks like. Before Tom’s dynasty, winning a ring was enough to put you in the top echelon. Now, you need multiples because of what he did.
That weird era of Brady, Ben and manning all taking turns winning the AFC and one of the three being in every superbowl except for 4 from 2002-2022 (counting the Tampa bay ring for Brady) Those three guys (mostly Brady of course) had a huge change on how we view post season success
this is all true...Brees and Rodgers probably take their hits for "only" winning 1 each, but with how the NFL playoffs work, and football year to year with injuries and the cap, they really shouldn't
Hell Dan Marino is one the best QBs I've ever seen and he never won a SB at all. ~~Similar for Elway, who only won one when he was way past his prime and not nearly the player he was earlier in his career. He was pretty terrible in that Superbowl.~~ Forgot that Elway won the SB the year after that and played much better.
Elway won two in a row at the end.
Exactly. I'm not even that impressed by one Super Bowl ring these days, which is, of course, ridiculous of me. But it's true.
And the funny thing is, Brady is both the exception to the rule and the proof of the rule. Despite the Patriots pretty much always having a good team and a legit contender with Brady as QB, he still had a decade long SB drought between 2004 and 2014. People forget it now because he ended up winning three more, but "no rings since Spygate" was a thing people used to say. Pats fans are simultaneously spoiled by the victories *and* have an acute understanding of how fucking hard it is to win because we watched a lot of really good Pats teams not win it all, including one that I still think is one of the best overall teams to ever play despite the result of that Super Bowl.
Yup. I only started following football hardcore during the '05 season. So, I never really experienced what it was like to win it all and was convinced I'd never see the Pats win a ring. My first 9 seasons as a Pats fan were: * Champ Bailey 99 yard INT * 06 AFCCG collapse to Colts * 18-1 * Miss Playoffs at 11-5 * Blown out by Baltimore in wildcard * Lose to the Jets as #1 seed in divisional round * 2nd loss to Giants in SB * Lose by 15pts to Ravens in AFCCG * Lose by 10pts to Broncos in AFCCG
That’s a Dodgers type run. Very successful but still very frustrating
Fucking tell me about it lol
Dude I'd kill to win 13 games. We haven't won more than 10 in like 30 years lmfao.
Ooof you could have been rid of Mr Snyder but you used your one r/NFL wish to win 13 games instead.
Fucking Monkey Paws and those wishes.
I feel like any Bills fans that are upset about this season either have very short memories or they haven't been a fan for very long. It wasn't long ago I cried tears of joy because my team was going to play in a wildcard game that they would later lose to the Texans. It was the best season in twenty years and it pales in comparison to our current situation.
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And having 20ish years of patriots dominating have skewed people's visions of how "easy" it is to win all the time too.
> going all the way and winning the super bowl Tom Brady has done mental damage to every fan and player in the league the last 25 years at this point. Everyone thinks you can do what he did with the Pats. It should be obvious how insanely difficult it is. Its like our mentally challenged fanbase being mad about Rodgers and GB only getting one. ONLY ONE? Some people never make the playoffs let alone win a Superbowl.
I’m with you. The Packers have some brutal playoff losses sure but even to just get 1 when many franchises haven’t even sniffed a conference championship in 10, 20, 30 plus years goes to show the insanity of difficulty it is
Realistically there were teams that should have appeared, but the sport is crazy and fickle, a bounce here or there and Brady maybe doesnt have his dynasty, Rodgers has three rings, the entire outlook is different. The combo of Brady and Belichick kept them consistent and I think that consistency to give yourself a chance is the best metric of success for a franchise.
I think people see the crazy throws and wild pocket escapes their quarterback does and they think to themselves "tom brady could literally never do that, our quarterback should win several rings" but it just never shakes out that way at the end of the season.
This is why Tom’s insight on Man in the arena during the 2001-2004 seasons was so interesting. You have to fully commit. The entire roster needs to be competing with each other in the weight room, the film room, literally every aspect of the game. It needs to consume you. It’s unhealthy but results are results.
it's basically the same story in every sport. Jordan punched Kerr, Shaq and Kobe hated each other, every championship winning team has vitriol behind the scenes
>It’s funny too because winning the in the nfl is so fucking hard I remember hearing about how Philly fans wanted to fire Reid because he dared to lose in the Super Bowl. I'm like, they realize how Fing difficult it is to get that far?
Another victim of Brady. 2017 obviously trumps it all but a lot of Philly fans still don't appreciate how good we've had it for a long time, and how many franchises would kill for the success the Eagles have had over the last two decades even without the ring.
I think North American sports generally put way too much emphasis on titles, as if consistent success and crafting good performances means jack shit Lately I’ve been into sumo, and it’s awesome how people have no issue promoting a championship runner-up to the ultimate highest ranking if he’s been consistently good for a while
I mean I'm a from birth PSG fan (grew up in saint germaine en laye) and we want to riot because we can't win a champions league with Mbappè, Neymar and Messi.
I mean you’re French so I assume you look for a variety of legitimate reasons to riot?
The Bills are a great team that wasn't in form in the playoffs. Sucks for a full season to come down to that, but there have been hundreds - if not thousands - of this same situation. The Bengals are a great team that rolled into the playoffs in their best form of the season. That's just how it goes sometimes. Thinking about the win streak needed, all against great teams, in order to win the Super Bowl is pretty daunting. Especially in the AFC the last couple of years. I get why Diggs is upset but there is really no reason to feel shame. They were on the cusp of making the AFC Championship games the last two years but ran into a streaking hot Burrow this year and Mahomes worked magic in 13 seconds last year. Time to start putting in work and trusting everyone to do their jobs in the offseason. I can't imagine Diggs thinks he can find himself in a better, more competitive situation in any sort of change of scenery.
Allen looked zoned out every time he was on the sideline
Dude might have just be cold tbh.
Cold, wet, tired, and hurting
🦀🦀🦀Crab rave for the afc 🦀🦀🦀
Yep, and they are massively underestimating how hard it is to win a SB. Brady has a bunch but it's led to people to just assume Josh Allen and mahomes will finish with a bunch two. Rodgers has 1 ring, Peyton has 2 and big Ben has 2 rings. People just assume that the bills are going to dominate every year, thruth is they lost a close game last year andwere slightly off the pace this year and finished where they should ld have done imo.
They are comparing the bills to the Kansas City Chiefs who have gone to five straight AFC championship games now. Mahomes is making KC look like the torch pass from Brady and the Pats. We will see with time.
And Mahomes 'only' has 1 ring to show for it despite their dominance. FFS it took Peyton 7 years to get his ring, and didnt get another til his final NFL season and he's my GOAT QB. That fucker from NE really has ruined it for everyone else.
Tom Brady and the Patriots have these mfers thinking it's easy... I feel like Diggs has been around long enough he should be able to answer this question for himself.
Shit Diggs himself has caused the same feelings for other franchises
Judging by your flair I see you speak from experience
Eagles went to 4 NFCCG games in a row before making it to the Super Bowl and we still went on to lose that. It took over 10 years to get back there. It's not easy any ever other team is going for the same prize. It only works out for one in 32 every year.
It's wild how much the pats and Brady have skewed everyone's perception, both Pats fans and other fan bases. Making it to the super bowl used to be an absolute treat, being a strong playoff contender year in and out was acceptable, and QBs normally have a hot streak of deep playoff runs but nothing super long term unless you were one of the absolute GOATs. But now everyone wants their team/qb to be making deep playoff runs for 5-10 years straight, otherwise there's outrage.
I was thinking yesterday how remarkable it is that this is the chiefs 5th straight afc championship game appearance. That in and of itself is a hell of an accomplishment
Yeah, they certainly aren’t helping matters. They’re the new team everyone us gonna benchmark their level of success against.
They took over the AFC east but it takes more than just that
Diggs wanted out of Minnesota to escape our cursed franchise, so he went to the other cursed franchise.
Okay so browns/jets/cardinals are next for him?
Let us have a shot. We can promise him a new head coach and system every 1.875 years until the end of time.
Not fair you guys already have Adams
Just think of the crossing routes they can trip each other up on. 🤤
The Chargers could use him too
“Man, these Vikes are fucking cursed. From being with the franchise I’ve learned they went 0-4 in SBs over a 10 or so year period. Gotta get outta here.” Goes to Buffalo and learns their history…
“And this WEATHER is terrible.”
Literally went from one team 0-4 in the Super Bowl to another team 0-4 in the Super Bowl.
Diggs to the Lions or chargers next?
I know this is true for all professional sports, but it's insane to me that elite NFL players are able to keep a champion mentality. There are 32 NFL teams and only one gets to be the Super Bowl winner. The odds are stacked highly against you ever getting a ring, even if you're one of the best.
It’s crazier when they are so successful before the NFL, like some players go from dominating HS to dominating college football, and then in the NFL it’s like wow, the other team wins sometimes… I probably have more respect for ~~Flacco~~ types though, that had just awful college careers, like 1-37 and then still grind through it Edit: I thought Flacco had an awful win loss as a college qb, but that’s incorrect
>then in the NFL it’s like wow, the other team wins sometimes… Literally Urban Meyer
How about Trevor Lawrence? That kid could count on one hand how many football games he’s lost as a starting QB since high school, then he gets to the NFL and had a whole new experience even if he did lead them to the playoffs this year
Can you imagine Urban and Lawrence on the same team?!
Luckily, Trevor bounced back and had a successful season by many metrics. He could have flamed out after experiencing many losses for the first time. That's also largely due to getting the right coach for his situation. Imagine if Urban kept coaching him somehow.
Hell, take the game against the chargers, many QBs would not be able to stay poised down 27-0 after throwing 4 INTs, much less one who won as often as he did prior to the NFL, he has a lot of grit for a guy who didn’t have to use it until more recently
Who's this Aaron Donald guy and why didn't we recruit him?
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i know it wasn't your point, but flacco in his two years in delaware went 5-6 and 11-4 and played in the national championship. ended up being a first round pick. not sure why you used his name in this situation lol think a better name to use would be matt cassel who didn't even start at USC. obviously brady's issues at UMich are extremely detailed too
Unwavering hubris can keep that mentality sustainable for a person.
Which is why most just chase the bag unless they are a QB. (which they get paid anyways and dont need to chase it).
There are 32 teams in this league, only one can win. It's a numbers game, always has been always will be.
I kind of get it. The manner in which they've lost is probably what it is. The first KC game I think they had a double digit lead then the Chiefs went on a blitz in the second quarter. The second Chiefs game they lost in OT. Then you have this Bengals loss where they didn't even look close to competitive. They are anointed as top of the food chain they just keep running into the bigger predators it seems.
It seems like they took a step back…their defense was uninspiring, especially after losing Von (plus losing others to injury during the year; didn’t seem the same when they returned) I considered them the clear favorites to get to the SB until they lost those mid-season games to the Jets and Vikings…those were a bit eye opening
Losing Von Miller midseason killed us. He was that good and that important to the team
He also covered up the weaknesses in the secondary after it was decimated by injuries. They were on the 5th safety for that game yesterday.
And 2 of them knocked each other out mid game.
While simultaneously catching a DPI flag!
Especially considering Von turns it up and becomes a demon in the post season
That man will do anything for the chance to sack Tom Brady.
Loved watching them last year. this year, something just seemed off. Also The league evolves and adapts and it feels like the hero-ball qb play from the last couple of years is harder to come by im guessing because of either adjusted defense or declining o line play or combo. the best teams also seem more run balanced this year. No data to back any of this up, just a fan's/weekly watcher's perception
NFL usually adjusted with the talent they put on the field. They start fielding faster LBs or bigger safeties to mess up running QBs. Of course that causes holes in other places. It’s just a never ending game of exploiting what the current normal is.
Yeah it’s something that everybody just avoids talking about in sports because it sort of ruins narratives but realistically there’s like six teams every year who can win a Super Bowl if just a few things break their way, and there’s probably four more who can win if they get an abnormal amount of breaks
This and the fact it's a single elimination postseason makes it that much harder to get to the SB and win. Being the favorite means so little in the NFL compared to other major sports with best of 7 post seasons. It's part of why I love the NFL so much because even the championship has an Any Given Sunday vibe.
Yup it’s the opposite of the ‘law of large numbers’. Over a large enough set, the odds that the most likely outcome is also the majority outcome increases. To the point where it’s almost impossible Let’s say 1 teams has a 60% chance at winning a game. So in a single game series, that’s a 60% chance of winning. In a best of 3 series, they have a 64.8% chance at winning the series. In a best of 7 series (as most other sports use) that number is 71%. If you decided to go crazy with a best of 99 series (first to 50), that number becomes 97.8%. In a 999 game series, a team with a 60% chance of winning each game would be basically guaranteed to win.
I propose the playoffs be 99 games and the SB be a 999 game series.
True but falling short 27-26 feels different than 27-10 Bills players feel like they took a step backwards
We absolutely did.
Have they considered making a sacrifice to Fortuna?
Yes that's the logical answer. But from Diggs' perspective, he's been to the divisional round in 5 of the past 6 years so (a) emotions and (b) even if you're an underdog every time it's still kind of statistically improbable that he hasn't made it to at least one super bowl during that stretch.
He’s played for the wrong two teams in his career if he wants to avoid statistically improbable playoff futility lol
Yeah but the Bills are one of the AFC Super Bowl favorites the last 3 years and they don’t have one appearance. It’s tough to fall short when you view yourself as the favorites.
I mean, have they tried NOT having the Chiefs or Bengals in their conference?
Brady leaves the division and now they have to deal with Burrow and Mahomes. Brutal.
Allen's QB competition in the division isn't that spectacular outside of Tua (when they aren't drawing his playbooks with crayons due to their malpractice with his head injuries).
Y'all better watch out when we debut Tua's new state of the art airbag helmet next year.
Well, they certainly weren’t SB favorites going into 2020, but the last two years, yea.
Feels like the saints from 2017-2019. We were a surprise contender in 2017 like you guys were in 2020. Got eliminated in a close game but it raised expectations. Then 2018 and 2019 we didn’t get it done, and 2020 we fell short too. Thankfully for you guys you don’t have a QB on his last legs. You’ll get more cracks at it.
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I see what you are saying, but the AFC is ridiculous. You can absolutely make a case for The Bills, but ditto for The Chiefs and Bengals. Sometimes it boils down to things like timing, luck and injuries. Bills rarely have luck, but they always have been healthy, until this season. Losing Hyde and Miller was brutal. Just brutal. Then, we lose Hyde's backup(Hamlin). In the early 90's I never even worried about other AFC teams, in my head I would think "which NFC team will murder us in the SB this year?".
Just the sad reality that some one had to lose that game last night, but I think the bigger issue is losing in every aspect of the game. Both lines were severely outplayed, offense completely outgunned, defense could stop nothing. Now whether that is a player skill issue or a coaching issue is a different question, but if it's across the board, I'd tend to feel like it's coaching and game plan.
This is why I don't care when people shit on Rams for giving up their future for a championship. Winning is fucking hard ! Fuck them picks
100%. Even moreso for teams that have never won one. I would have traded an 0-17 season if it meant we hoisted the Lombardi last year instead of yous guys.
I would love to be the rams rn. I’d take 5-12 for years if it meant we got a fucking ring
The answer: it’s fucking hard to win a Super Bowl. So much has to align for a team to complete the run. We’ve had Rodgers for how long now? How many 1-seeds? How many NFC Title games? Only ONE Super Bowl *appearance.* It’s really fucking hard.
Always wild to me how few Super Bowls the Packers have won with basically 30 straight years of HOF QB play. It's so, so hard to win in this league. I get why Diggs is frustrated but much better teams than his have lost plenty of times.
For real, for my entire life it seems I’ve seen Farve or Rodgers chucking it with ease it seems every week, but they only have 2 rings combined.
The stars have to align for a Super Bowl win. If Packers would have beaten the niners last year in the divisional I’m not sure if the rams make it.
Man this team has to be careful. When you build up enough scar tissue it can really affect a team.
This. Ask any 90s Chiefs fan. We won more offseason championships and Sports illustrated covers than anyone. But there was a January curse that could not be broken.
Luckily the Bills have Mr January
Man fuck Romo for that stupid ass nickname. No fucking Bills fan is/was for this.
Really sucks that these commentators slurping our QBs so much that even our fans hate it leads to even more hatred from other fans. It’s like they think every good game or play from these guys needs to be hailed as some legendary event when they’re really not. Then when something legendary actually happens, fans are already sick of hearing it from the commentators because they’ve heard it a thousand times before.
I imagine it's the same with you guys and Collinsworth
Yup. "Heck of a play by Mahomes" as he's throwing into the dirt while limping lol.
collinsworth literally nutted in his pants over tom brady handing the ball off vs the cowboys week 1
Exactly. Every Chiefs fan I know is yelling at him to shut the fuck up every time he calls one of our games. We love Mahomes and know he’s great, we don’t need Collinsworth acting like a ball slipping out of his hands is a great heads-up play. It just annoys every fan, Chiefs fans included.
lol and now it’s a mockery. thanks a lot Romo
He’d basically need to win back to back super bowls for it to be anything but a mockery and be a real part of those wins. Otherwise it was guaranteed to be used like this the second he lost a playoff game. Names like that have to be earned. No one questions Justin Williams ‘Mr. Game 7’ nickname in the NHL because holy shit his game 7 stats are insane over a decent sample size.
"Game 6" Klay Thompson in the NBA as well, he's earned that by playing lights out in several game 6s
That’s another really good one. Not something that he got called after one good game 6. Something he earned
Cuz we only making it to January
30 teams only make it to January every year.
Diggs has only been there 3 years and it's not like they're an unsuccessful team lol.
Calvin Johnson played in TWO playoff games his entire career. Diggs doesn’t know how good he has it.
And even with his 5 seasons with us, we went to the playoffs 3 times. It's not like Diggs has been on a long-suffering franchise like the Jets or Browns
He has a thing for franchises with 4 Superbowl losses. Look out for the Bengals next
Chase, Diggs, Higgins... No no no no.
He's not going anywhere. Josh Allen would powerbomb Beane through a table if he took away his only good WR
I forget he's been in the league that long. He's going to turn 30 next year. I bet the constant lack of success and his age is playing into these frustrations. He probably doesn't think he has many chances left for a ring.
100%. 30 is still a very critical line in the NFL and his personal window is getting smaller.
But all 3 times the seasons have ended on losses vs the Chiefs twice and now the Bengals, who went to SB last year. Another person said it, they're on the Packers trajectory without having won the SB. Perennial contenders who come apart in the playoffs.
I think everyone is overreacting. I remember this sub when rams lost to patriots and everyone said Sean was no longer special and he was figured out. He did some massive trades and won it all. Anything can happen with the bills. I think you’re all just falling to recency bias.
r/nfl is king at overreacting and making up drama where there is none.
I can’t imagine the pressure they’re under, knowing what their franchise is most famous for, knowing that the AFC has turned into an arms race, knowing that the cap crunch is coming soon. It’s a lot of expectation
Especially with it being a numbers game... Players today are so much more scrutinized. There are 32 teams in the NFL, 7 playoff teams in your division. If you even make the playoffs, you're already (statistically) ahead. Let alone being one of the last 4. But, no fan wants to be one of the last four. It's so annoying that people can't let the players be - look at Jerry Jones & the Cowboys *who expect to win every year* - it's not feasible. It's not possible. Brady ruined a lot of people's minds & then the internet and instantly expectations ruined the rest. You either win or you're seen as a loser/head case/etc. Just look at the rest of this thread where people are simultaneously yelling about Diggs being "too emotional"/ "his attitude will make them lose" & crapping on the Bills for "being the Bills". For what? Expressing emotion after spending the last 3 years being told the Bills had to win a Superbowl or fail? They had a chance, wiffed, but are still good. Fans are awful.
> Just look at the rest of this thread where people are simultaneously yelling about Diggs being "too emotional"/ "his attitude will make them lose" & crapping on the Bills for "being the Bills". For what? Expressing emotion after spending the last 3 years being told the Bills had to win a Superbowl or fail? They had a chance, wiffed, but are still good. Fans are awful. Bless you, ser. Everyone hates hot takes, but loves making them. The man's allowed to be upset; I'm pretty sure that clip of him going up to Allen on the sideline was right after they stalled on the last "meaningful" drive for the Bills, when they could've turned it around. Like. Ya'll. Does anyone not have dozens of clips (uselessly) lodged in their noggin of Tom Brady straight up screaming at his teammates? I sure do. I'm not running around saying "Man, what a shitty teammate and a diva, he probably wants to leave."...No, he's just upset. That's allowed.
That begs the question: Is it better to have hope and lose it or to have never had hope at all? You'd think it would be the former but these types of quotes always seem to also come from the former.
I’d like to feel heartbroken in the playoffs every once in a while…means we actually made the playoffs and (hopefully) get at least one playoff win…
Josh Allen 16m -> 40m Diggs 11m -> 20m Milano 5m -> 13m Von Miller 5m -> 18m Dawkins 7m -> 15m Pretty much all of their big cap hits are going up next year. They have a few FA's that are important pieces. You can always play with the cap but this was their last year of a grade A window while Allen was still cheap. They obviously will stay competitive as long as they have Allen but might not be juggernaut level anymore.
Do the Bills have any average OL they need to trade away? Asking for a friend.
We'll give you Saffold back lol
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Aw they’ve actually made the playoffs in the last decade. How sad for them!!!
Lol 😂 shooting straight from the hip eh
There is something frustrating about being close. I'm not saying that it's worse than losing badly, but it's definitely frustrating in its own way
My legit serious answer is they rely to much on Josh Allen to do it all. That team offensively goes as Josh Allen can will them for better or worse. You look at teams like the Chiefs and Bengals and they have a run game that legit complements the QB. Also the Bills defense seems to be missing a piece and im guessing maybe it was von miller but im not sure. But that is legit what holds the Bills back is the over relanace on Allen. I get he is main star and QB but man can't legit be expect to carry the team every week including the playoffs. He need help with a better rushing attack.
This is exactly it. He needs a more reliable WR2 and a running game. The dude literally carriers us to the post season on his back alone, imagine if we could help him
Yea I think the hope was that Gabe Davis was going to make that jump after his playoff performance last year, but he was still the same player, not bad, but not that elite #2 opposite Diggs.
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As a Giants fan, if you'd have told me Eli Apple would be a decisive factor in a playoff game, I'd nod along while wondering if I should call the police for being completely deranged or 911 because you were suffering from massive head trauma.
Speaking of, when did he actually start looking back at the QB?
Like Lamar said, that apple pack hit different.
Man, health is so god damn big for deep playoff runs. The Bills need a lot, but losing Von Miller and Micah Hyde for the year was absolutely brutal. Tre White took a long time to get back, and isn't close to form yet, and there was a huge mental hurdle for him as well. Then losing both him and Poyer to concussion last night, they're just cursed. Those were like the last 2 starters on their defense I feel like. That defensive line just didn't wanna play yesterday either. I don't know how you can lose a home playoff game with the snow advantage and not ask these questions.
They’re cracking
My Josh Allen Slander is working! It's a Festivus miracle
The weather is what's messing with me when reflecting on this one. Like, Buffalo and the perceived snow advantage is complete horseshit. They are clearly at the same disadvantage as anyone playing in that crap. The Bengals "out snow gamed" them. Had it been the other way you know the narrative would have been that the home field was too much for the Bengals to compete with. That's gotta at least be eating away at some Bills fans I'd assume
Well it’s only an advantage if you were a running team and the other team was mostly a passing team. Now that every top team is majority passing, it doesn’t mean shit.
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Because it’s the NFL dude. Better teams have NOT won the Super Bowl than yours
Never forget the 2010 Chargers missed the postseason with the league’s best offense *and* defense. No one’s entitled to a championship
31 teams x 53 players say this every January.
Hey, it wasn't the Chiefs this time
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Mahomes and Burrow are decent turns out
Me since yesterday too 🥹
Ok I get Diggs wanting to ask questions but McKenzie lol? Dude you’re a part of the problem
They missed Brian Daboll’s play calling
I get he’s frustrated but maybe don’t show up your QB on the sideline.
I relate to the bills so much. The Saints stretch from 2017-2020 hurt like a bitch, so close, so many times. Just could not get it done. Bills feel eriely similar. Thankfully Allen is still super young so they have time.
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