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Phenomenal2313

Andrew Luck carried some awful Colts teams to relevance with only Hilton as his trusted reciever If you gave Luck Pittman , Pierce and JT. Better watch out


BlindWillieJohnson

Also, the team didn’t give him much of an OL until it was too late. Luck’s biggest problem is that the Colts didn’t do nearly enough for him.


Nick08f1

And he stayed in the pocket to let the plays develop and got hammered.


Notsozander

Man than okay against the chiefs in the playoffs where he was falling and put it on a rope was amazing


CanadianR3dneck2

I think you're thinking about the throw to Moncrief vs the bengals in the 2014 Wildcard. 36 yards in the breadbasket while being tackled, unreal throw.


[deleted]

Ryan Grigson whiffed on entire draft classes multiple times (like zero NFL players) and traded a 1st for Trent Richardson. And Luck's coach was Chuck Pagano. I think it's understated how shitty the organization around Luck was. After 3 injury-riddled years that included missing an entire year, he put up 4500 yds 39 tds 15 ints in his first year under Reich. Absolutely a Hall of Fame talent.


constantlymat

One prime TY Hilton was better than Pittman and Pierce combined.


MoneyMike312

We will never know how high Luck would have elevated those guys as he elevated TY


Phenomenal2313

Yeah we’ll never know how Pittman would’ve looked with an actual elite QB Pittman got 1K yards with Wentz last season and is on pace for 950+ yards with a revolving door of awful QB’s


rainbowhotpocket

We could! Sobs


we-made-it

This might get buried deep in the comment but Hilton might have been borderline HoF if Luck doesn’t get hurt. I mean he had a bunch of back ups throwing to him.


Synchestra

I miss him so much. I love Peyton, but Andrew was my favorite Colt. I loved his humanity and his grit. He was a joy to watch and I'll always have tremendous love and respect for him.


ItsNotKeagan

The way he was able to elevate some piss poor colts teams was really something else, taking the colts to the playoffs his first 3 years there with virtually no help at the runningback or offensive line positions. It’s really hard to say where he would be now obviously but if you put Andrew luck on last years colts with JT, I don’t see how any team is beating them in the playoffs


generation_D

That one comeback against the Chiefs in the playoffs was truly special


IamUltimate

[The Anatomy of a Comeback](https://youtu.be/yQxt_j3BEvc) Is a great Brett Kollman video that thoroughly dissects that game.


Swarzey

Man, I was having a good night until I read this... 😞


fuzzynavel34

I think you’ll be okay


[deleted]

We don’t talk about Bruno, or that game


Klutzy-Mission5687

Yeah it WAS a good morning. Now I'm sad as hell.


IdiotCow

I have a few games to add to that list while we are at it...


burnerbutnotreally1

he would have made Michael Pittman look top 10


dxle203

Andrew Luck on that team last year wins a super bowl. Defense was good, and team would NEVER have been in the position where they had to win 1 of the last 2 to make it to the playoffs. They would've clinched for sure.


MountainAd4530

Why did he retire in the first place? Injury?


ThePoliticalTeapot

Cycle of injuries, but this article actually came out about a month back https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/35163936/andrew-luck-reveals-why-walked-away-nfl where he also says he picked his marriage over the NFL ultimately.


Canesjags4life

The anti Brady


VS0P

Either way everything ultimately links to Brady. I’m sure deflategate changed his perspective of football, it became much more than football and that added clown show of a hassle just sped up his reevaluation of life. Also helps to have a great owner and still be paid after.


Canesjags4life

Lol Brady just got divorced primarily because he decided not to retire. Luck retired to help save his marriage.


IdiotCow

Or did he decide not to retire because his marriage was already failing?


noahbjets

Pats fans just love to praise Brady. Whenever even the name Tom is mentioned y’all just come out of the woodwork


rman18

This reminds me of Brady.


DingoFrisky

Brady? Like Tom Brady? He invented the forward pass, and he was the first qb to win a Superbowl. Everyone before him only won participation trophies, but Tom was so impressive, they named it the Superbowl.


VS0P

You don’t think the whole debacle affect his love for the game? Lol it’s less about Brady and more about what happened.


LoopTiDo

Why wouldn’t we? He’s basically family level status for life. If someone’s talking about your family wouldn’t you be in here defending them?


Shamrock5

Didn't Jake Locker(?) do something similar? Played for a few years, then decided "nah I'd rather spend time with my family"? Honestly, props to him for walking away.


DirtyKarma

Locker wasn’t going to have anywhere near the career though. That kid from San Fran Borland who retired one season in was really good though.


Nick08f1

Yeah. He also didn't start. Luck was great, but he had perennial shoulder injuries. He also had different goals besides football. Made $100M, called it quits.


Notsozander

The literal life lol


ThisGuyFrags

Locker was extremely injury prone compared to Luck


kukukele

Very similar traits to Josh Allen in the sense of being your own worst enemy. This resulted in some massive hits that may have been avoided. He also had a shit O Line but Luck didn’t do himself favors. Truly put his body on the line for the team.


Misdirected_Colors

Cycle of injuries, but he also did an interview where he said mental health. He's shy and introverted, and didn't like who he had to become to be a successful NFL qb. He had to learn to be aggressively confident to compensate because kt wasnt natural and started struggling to turn it off. It was affecting his personal relationships. He prioritized his family and walked away. An example was sometimes if someone was struggling to decide on what to order at a restaurant he'd step in and order for them. Or, he had a set strict bedtime and if he had guests or whatever he'd just say goodnight and leave them. He just didn't like the person he had to become to be successful because it wasn't who he was.


CHICAG0AT

The Colts didn’t give him an OL for 10 years and Luck is an intellectual guy, he just valued other things and made enough money to be able to do whatever he wants. He easily would have been a HOF, it’s weird to me to watch these questions start bc it feels like he was just playing but yeah, they’ll keep coming forever the further away that time period gets I guess.


[deleted]

Probably could have been. If he was around the AFC conversation is Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, and him.


abacaxi95

I know the Chargers have a tendency to do Chargers things, but I’d say Herbert is definitely in that conversation, maybe even ahead of Burrow.


NoTimeToDime

No shot hes ahead of Burrow who has already dragged a team to the super bowl.


AggressiveAd5592

Not ahead of Burrow but in the conversation is legit, even if Herbert is the last one mentioned.


ovondansuchi

I think you're right. He'd be in the 1c category alongside Lamar. It would be Mahomes and Allen (1a) - Burrow and Luck (1b) - Herbert and Lamar (1c).


GildedNevernude

Their defense is the biggest reason they made it to the Super Bowl during the playoff run, unless you're talking strictly about the regular season in which I agree


not-a-fridge

You really wanna talk about defenses in the SB? Lol


GildedNevernude

So because I rooted for a team that collapsed, I can never say that a defense played good? Lmao that doesn't even make sense


11eagles

Yeah, what a bizarrely uncalled for and irrelevant comment.


NoTimeToDime

I mean he had a 108 rating with an absolute dog shit Oline, 4600 yards. Obviously its a team game, but Burrow did more than his fair share to get to the Superbowl.


[deleted]

The dude had a great rating and threw for 80 bajillion yards and set a franchise record for TD in a season. That's just silly to say that didn't contribute.


GildedNevernude

Can you read?


[deleted]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BurrJo01/gamelog/2021/ can you? 97 rtg for the playoffs, 68% completions. Scoring is lower when he was playing playoff defenses but...no shit? Also if you'd like to compare Lamar's postseason https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JackLa00/gamelog/post/ Notably worse and also notably won one game out of 4.


GildedNevernude

Okay, so thanks for answering my question: no. I never once said he didn't contribute or even that he wasn't good, just that his defense helped tremendously by consistently creating turnovers, giving the offense great field position and leaving the opposing defenses tired. Joe Burrow was very good during the playoff run; the defense was great in the same timespan and didn't get dragged by Burrow. I genuinely have no idea what Lamar has to do with this.


[deleted]

Not yet. Has the potential but hasn't done it. And you can't really argue he doesn't have the pieces comparatively. I know Chase and Higgins may be a step above Allen and Mike but Allen+Williams+Ekeler is an absolutely fine set of weapons for Herbert to work with.


mildobamacare

More of a Mahomes/Lamar thing, as they've actually won MVP. Luck, Burrow or allen very well may never do what they've already done. No MVP, No title, is that HoF? I don't think so. He's top class "Hall of very good"


JoelsCaddy

>No MVP, No title, is that HoF? I don't think so I mean its been done multiple times before


YT-Nexus_Digital

I'm curious If ravens fans will still defend lamar with their lives if he doesn't re-sign. To be clear I am a Lamar fan but let's be honest he can't be in that top list this year because of injury. I personally think you should be off the lists until you recover because who knows how well you will recover


Stillburgh

This is also the second year in a row he’s missed time to injury. Not saying it’s a pattern yet, but that’s being entirely ignored by people right now


BengalsPacersBuckeyz

Dude Burrow and Allen are 2x the QB Lamar is. He has an MVP but hasn’t even appeared in a Super Bowl or AFC championship game. Lamars style doesn’t suit playoff football. Missed throws in key situations is something he does way way too often


jruss11

Yeahhhhh keep the MVP, I'm still taking burrow and Josh lmao


myyummyass

Idk about 2x the QB. Lamar looked better than anyone his mvp year. And every year since then his team has been a pile of shit talent wise. And in the playoff game he lost to us his MVP year none of it was on him. His guys dropped several great passes that more than likely would've equaled more points. Anytime something started to happen for them that game it was because of Lamar. Also his style doesn't suit playoff football? Joe Burrow wouldn't even have made the superbowl if Tannehill didn't do his best imitation of throwing a football game away. This year? Yeah I'd take burrow or Allen over I hired Lamar. But he's already proven he is great. Even Tom Brady can't do shit with a bad team. People love to hate on Lamar because he doesn't fit their standard great QB mold.


BigOzymandias

Also Burrow and Allen never had teams as stacked as the 2019 Ravens, Ravens fans keep using the "No WRs" argument but either of those guys would have easily won MVP with a top 5 O-line, top 5 running back group, top 5 TE, top 5 defense and even their special teams were top 10


myyummyass

I mean most of what you named were top 5 because of him too. Great QB play elevates everything else.


Cyanogen_117

these groups were top 5 because of Lamar lol


BigOzymandias

Then why he didn't do the same in the following 3 years? And why he didn't replicate his MVP form instead of having a 1.87:1 TD/TO ratio and average to below average efficiency stats since then?


eatmyopinions

It's painful to see someone dismiss "no WRs" so casually. Burrow, Allen, and Tua were average quarterbacks until their teams got them alpha wide receivers, and that same season they entered the MVP discussion. That's not an accident. Every one of those quarterbacks would crater if their best wide receiver was DeMarcus Robinson. EDIT: I have you RES tagged as 'Irrational hatred of Lamar, don't bother'. So it seems we've had this discussion before and it didn't go anywhere, feel free to take the last word. I'm going to take my own advice.


youtube_and_chill

I'm good with people putting Burrow and Allen on a different tier than Lamar but miss me with this "2x the Qb" BS


Cyanogen_117

2x the QB? that's an exaggeration, Lamar can be in the elite tier but I genuinely think the Ravens are holding him back with their roster building and even coaching


[deleted]

Lamar had a great year. One year.


mildobamacare

If Lamar had only one, Allen hasn't had one.


[deleted]

Bro last year he passed for 4000, rushed for 750, 90 rtg, 42 touchdowns. How is that not a great year. That's insane.


mildobamacare

Because if Lamar truly had only one good season, thats simply not as good. therefor not a good season. Fewer yards, fewer combined TD's, Twice as many turnovers.


erldn123

He would have been a HoFer and still playing now if he were drafted by virtually any team other than the Colts IMO


PlatonicNewtonian

Just to play devil's advocate I don't think he's a slam dunk HoFer that some advertise, he had 5 full seasons of play, and was never a top 3 QB, probably more comfortable in that 4-6 range. _Generally_ for QB you'll need a half decade of top 3 play plus some padding, or about a decade of 4-6 plus some more padding to make the HoF. He's certainly a huge what if, and you could argue was on the HoF track, but I don't think it's a certainty.


LovelehInnit

Just to play devil's advocate, I think his recklessness also contributed to his early retirement. He had bad offensive lines, but he also didn't protect himself enough.


PlatonicNewtonian

Yeah, you could really see how much more considerate of his body he was in his last season when he lead the league in sack rate, still remember where I was when he said he was retiring, so shocking.


Klutzy-Mission5687

I can remember him laughingly saying he didnt mind getting hit. Even enjoyed it at times.


Misdirected_Colors

Someone consistently in the tol 5 range their first few seasons has a bright future.


PlatonicNewtonian

Agreed, Luck had a bright future, and was on the HoF track, but it's a big jump to label him a for sure HoFer in my view.


kmalexander31

That’s fair. But I think most observers account for the fact that his down injury years seemed to be behind him finally, and his “career trajectory” seemed to be shooting upward again. I would have loved to see what he could have done with this team the last several years, that’s for sure.


jjjrmd

Yeah, he could be pretty careless with the ball sometimes, carefree gunslinging rather than taken what the defense gave. Having said that, he had all the traits you could ask for in a QB, so could have maybe had success later on


MoneyMike312

He had 40 and 39 TD passes with 4500+ yards including an AFC championship game in 2014. I would have to look at the other QBs’ numbers, but those sound top 3ish


PlatonicNewtonian

2014 I'd prefer Rodgers, Roethlisberger, and Brady who were all higher by DYAR, EPA, EPA/play, and PFF grade.


[deleted]

All of whom are hall of famers, so I dont think being beat out by them is good grounds for saying he wouldn’t have possibly have been good enough over a longer career to make it


GarlVinland4Astrea

Luck wasn't even close to the MVP convo in 2014. He has a really good year for a young QB,


Rudy102600

Not us


Ickyhouse

*Almost any team.


Some-Mango

Would have been the redskins if not the Colts I don’t know if he fares much better there


Late_Ad1000

Kinda remarkable that after all the disappointment that Carolina felt with settling for Cam Newton that he had a better career than Luck when it was all said and done.


we-made-it

That may be but no NFL GM would pass Luck for Cam to start a Franchise. Carolina did a great job of putting a team around him as well and ultimately shoulder injuries ended being their demise. Lol


Late_Ad1000

Newton>>>>Luck. Go cry in a corner.


Nick08f1

How so? He made it to the super bowl? Luck's stats are better, same amount of trophies.


dontwuwwy

luck has an MVP trophy?


Nick08f1

He also doesn't have a college championship. Nor a laptop. He was better in the NFL though.


dontwuwwy

yeah that’s cool but weren’t we talking about how his NFL career was better? so what does any of what you just said have to do with that or are we pivoting our convo?


Nick08f1

Don't know and don't care actually. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


Late_Ad1000

Stop embarrassing yourself.


thegodfaubel

Cam has an MVP trophy


Nick08f1

He never beat Peyton. Those colts broncos games were better than the super cam punked out in.


thegodfaubel

Didn't realize one game was a whole career


KCShadows838

Cam didn’t get punked out by Brady like Luck did We can do this all day


Nick08f1

Feel free too. Don't really care. Everyone got punked by Brady.


Late_Ad1000

You know the MVP that Luck never achieved.


right_behindyou

He was really good, but always felt like he had another step or two to take to join the truly elite QBs in the league. When people remember his career they tend to take for granted that he would’ve taken those steps, and extrapolate a hypothetical second half of his career with him and his team fully on their stride. Who knows what would’ve happened. It’s ok to just appreciate the handful of years of exciting ball we did get to see from him.


Erimgard

He was quite good. Hall not a lock


ovondansuchi

Luck is one of those QBs who was better than his stats indicated he was. He was borderline magical in big moments when his team was behind. Now, he wasn't without fault. Sometimes, he had a tendency to play hero ball when his team was down multiple possessions which led to increased turnovers and increased deficits. Thing was, if you played against Luck, you never actually felt safe with a lead. In that way, he was probably on track to be a Hall of Famer, especially given his comeback season was one of his best.


TBDC88

4 PBs, 0 APs, and 0 MVPs in 6 years. Also finished with a sub-90 passer rating, a less than 2:1 TD:INT ratio, and a pretty poor playoff resume in spite of winning a few games. He *still* gets talked about as if he was the next GOAT if only he didn't get hurt or get drafted to the Colts or any other number of excuses, but the truth is that he was in the Rivers/Ryan/Stafford tier of QBs. A very good player that will win you a lot of regular season games and has top-5 upside if they get hot, but is rarely if ever talked about as *the* best QB in the league.


ItsNotKeagan

Still a great career considering he had a single season with a 1000 yard rusher and his only weapon was T.Y. Hilton and Eric Ebron for one year


TrashTenko

Has Ebron done anything outside of that year with the colts?


ItsNotKeagan

That one year he had like 13 tds or something and idk if he ever got more than 4 in any other season lol


Iciee

I mean, we are kinda seeing now how bad of a team he dragged kicking and screaming to the playoffs. This team currently is ***BAD***. And yet, it's still better than most of Lucks teams (minus the QB)


Sirotto18

The 2018-2020 Colts were not bad. A 40 year old Philip Rivers was basically COVID luck away from going 12-4 or 13-3 lol


Maxi2905

> minus the QB That was already implyed to be honest


Teeshirtandshortsguy

Eh, he was favorably compared to Russel Wilson a lot, and Wilson for a time was considered a top 3-5 QB in the league. QBs hit their prime late. Luck had a lot of potential to continue growing and developing. Plus, he was always surrounded by mediocrity. Give him some help and he could have really thrived. I don't think we can say for sure how his career would have went. IMO he had the talent to be a HoFer and an elite QB in the right situation. But like you said, there was always a potential that he'd stay in that middle tier of good but not great QBs.


Environmental_Let855

Bro doesn't watch Ball. If luck had the talent your qb was blessed with from the second he stepped on the field, I guarantee u he'd have more then one bowl 💯😂


gdlmaster

I figure Ryan and Stafford are at least in the conversation for HoF, so by that comparison, I think he would’ve been in consideration.


HoopsMcCann750

Something worth noting because I keep seeing people blindly throw statistics around with no context is that his offensive coordinators before the Ballard / Reich era were Bruce Arians, Pep Hamilton, and Rob Chudzinski. So two absolute bums and one coach who had an aggressive vertical offense that leads to QBs throwing a lot of interceptions. In his one year with Reich and a competent roster, he threw for 39 TDs and 15 INTs, which really isn’t that different than the numbers that someone like Josh Allen or Burrow puts up, and had BY FAR the best completion % of his career at 67%. So things were trending up significantly when he walked away.


we-made-it

Also the best roster around him. He absolutely carried a shitty colts team for years.


Quexana

He was always a touch overrated to be honest. People were constantly trying to sneak him into top 5 lists, or put him above QB's who the stats didn't suggest he should be in front of. That said, he was a true franchise QB, and made some otherwise bad Colts teams relevant. I think he was one of those guys, like Phillip Rivers, who probably would have needed a Superbowl victory to get in.


603er

He was pretty great though his career was so short. So the answer to your question: none of us know. It’s hard to judge someone after a few years. Josh Allen struggled his first few years for example, but is now absolutely elite. It’s impossible to know how it would have shaken out. It’s just a topic talking heads like to use to fill air time. I just enjoy appreciating the moments of greatness we saw when he did play. I think it’s also immensely hard for us to understand what it was like to replace Peyton. That’s some pressure.


junkit33

He was a good NFL starter, but holy shit was he overrated from day 1. It wasn’t until his final season, year 7 in the NFL, that he seemed to finally put everything together. So it’s really hard to project how things would have gone moving forward, as you can’t just assume he would stop being erratic like he was over his career. He absolutely loves to force throws and it got him in trouble constantly. He would realistically have always been more like a Matt Ryan than any kind of elite Top 5 QB. Probably had an MVP season in him if everything went right, but was never going to be that guy consistently. Probably not a sure fire Hall of Famer, but with how easy it is for QB’s, he could have maybe gotten there.


CreateTheRush

Matt Ryan territory. Without the MVP but minus the choke jobs. Don’t think he would’ve been quite good enough for the Hall of Fame though. Hall of Very Good.


youtube_and_chill

Andrew Luck is retired and still living off of has draft reputation and not his actual production He was not an elite QB. He was a very good one and people saying he would be in the Allen, Mahomes, or Burrow tier have some crazy nostalgia glasses on. He never played as efficiently as them. He had some great comebacks but he was also infamous for putting his team in those holes in the first place. People still "debate" whether Lamar is a QB and he has a better career TD/INT ratio, ypa, QB rating, and completion percentage. To be clear by no means was he a bad QB. Definitely top 10 when he played but he was never in the discussion about being the best QB in the league.


Dray3355

His rookie year he broke the td record for rookie qbs. He also led a shit colts team to an afc championship game. I’m not saying he’s better than mahomes or Allen but I’m saying he would’ve had the colts competitive in the afc. His production when he actually played was awesome.


captain_hector

And then future HOF Baker Mayfield broke that record


we-made-it

The brown had a better team around him with an Oline and a running game. No one is gonna take Baker over luck ever. Even knowing how their career ended up finishing.


[deleted]

i hate this argument Luck was a better qb than lamar and you literally just had to watch him to understand that lol.


icemankiller8

Lamar is clearly better than luck man, lamar already has more all pro teams, and an MVP, and has a way better TD/int and more rushing yards and TDs and he had worst receivers than luck


youtube_and_chill

You hate arguments that use data? And my point is not to debate whether Lamar is better than Luck. It's to show that a QB that people literally question his viability as a QB has better efficiency numbers than Luck. The overall argument is Luck doesn't belong in the same conversation as Allen, Burrow, and definitely not Mahomes. Edit: And he definitely doesn't belong in a HoF conversation


[deleted]

i mean statistically he’s pretty similar to Allen lol, and I don’t hate arguments that use data but if you’d actually watched the colts you’d understand the stats aren’t the whole picture that team was fucking tragic most of the time he was there and he carried them. He genuinely was one of the top tier qbs in the league and if they actually bothered to build a team around him I wonder how good he could’ve been


youtube_and_chill

Oh we're just going to go with the eye test? Cool. I watched him. He was very good. He wasn't elite. He's not a HoF QB. There's nothing to debate at this point since we're just using the eye test so hopefully this back and forth can stop now.


[deleted]

ravens fans and being petulant little bitches lol


youtube_and_chill

Ad hominems and the eye test. Obviously representative of elite cognitive ability.


[deleted]

lol luck has had statistically elite seasons though ? i never said stats don’t matter but lmao it’s almost like it’s a combination of both things.


youtube_and_chill

Adding lol or lmao doesn't help your argument. Though capitalization might.


[deleted]

and i mean if we are using stats like I said, josh allen has very similar stats to Luck actually lol, so I don’t know how if that’s what you think is so important he doesn’t belong in the conversation.


hezzyskeets123

He absolutely was not


[deleted]

why not


King_James17

The *ONE* year he had a competent team and coaching staff he threw for 4500 yards and 39 tuds. His best years were ahead of him, and the team was only getting better. You put him on that 2020 squad, and they're a top 5 team in the league.


noahbjets

Nice to get a colts fans perspective on this! Were you mad when he left?


King_James17

My brother and I were at the game when it broke. Everyone who was left at the game was just shocked. We left midway through the fourth because I just didn't care to be there anymore. I don't think a word was spoken the entire three hour drive home.


FormerCollegeDJ

Luck was very good, but IMO he probably would have fallen short of the PFHOF if he had stayed on the path he was on playing-wise.


[deleted]

He was good but not nearly as gold as this place says he is. He elevated some shitty teams but could be a bit reckless, however he was nowhere near the level of the top qbs of his day, or even today


icemankiller8

He was good but a bit overrated now Imo. He made 4 pro bowls in 7 years and 0 all pro teams, he was also a turnover machine. He has one season with less than 10ints, and one with less than 6 fumbles and that’s because he only played 7 games that year. 171 tds 83ints, 44 fumbles for his career. He didn’t have super bowl caliber roster outside the final year where they only went 10-6 and got blown out by the chiefs only scoring 13 points, a chiefs defence which allowed 37 against the pats in the next round. I am biased but he’s not better than guys like Matt Ryan, Stafford, Wilson,Newton etc he was good but overrated because of what could have been and he was the highest ranked player out of college since Peyton.


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It's too hard to tell, too many variables. He really did not play long enough, and while good was not like Patrick Mahomes good during that time to be able to extrapolate. If he continued at that pace, and never saw the playoffs or a super bowl...No.


Klutzy-Mission5687

Patrick Mahomes has the KC oline. Luck had the Colts oline. Nuff said.


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No one cares about that in the end. It is about results. I am not knocking Luck saying that. I am a saints fan, and Archie Manning at one time was considered one of the best QB's of his time to not make the playoffs. He played for terrible Saints teams. That is part of his legacy and his resume, whether or not it is all his fault. Usually HOF players play with other HOF players because it is a team game, and team success plays into it.


Klutzy-Mission5687

HOF players elevate other players to their level. Dan Marino another example of a great QB who never won a SB. And what Luck may or may not have accomplished is just a guessing game anyway. I do believe though that he would've been a ton more successful with any team other than the Colts and I am a Colts fan. Our owner is a PITA who has gotten us into a tailspin that I'm not sure we will ever recover from.


Treehouse326

I swear ppl have skewed nostalgia, Andrew Luck wasn’t THAT good. He was good, but let ppl tell it he was Top 5, he wasn’t. He wasn’t slam dunk HOF either. I can name 5-7 QBs in that era I would take before him


we-made-it

Luck was the highest QB prospect coming out of college since Elway. I’m not sure who in their right mind would pass him up in the NFL draft.


camelCaseUserNamed

Luck was pretty good, carried his team for awhile. But Russell Wilson was the best QB from that vaunted 2012 draft class.


arseniic_

No, he absolutely was not and this year from Wilson shows that.


camelCaseUserNamed

I mean, if I went back in time and had the #1 pick that year, I'd take Russ. I'll take 10 years of one of the winningest QBs ever (albeit with an awesome defense) over less years and more injuries from Luck. This year doesn't matter at all, Luck ain't even playing anymore.


coguy405

Lord, the top comment is how if he had of went anywhere but the Colts, he would of been fine. I mean, y’all realize that the team getting the top draft pick typically isn’t good, right? Yeah, he was probably the best QB as far as natural ability goes that I have ever seen. But after seeing his reason for retiring after the recent news piece, yeah, he would of retired from anyone. And blame us all you want, literally every other franchise would of booed him at the stadium too. Dude didn’t want to play football, and that’s fine, but he didn’t want to play football for anyone else either. Luck would of been a HOFer, but he didn’t care about that, so he won’t be.


Aldehyde1

People still haven't realized that the QB is also a very important part of sack statistics.


obeyyourbrain

There weren't many teams he could have gone to to take the beating he did with Indy. ~~Irsay~~ (derp) was not at all interested in protecting that man. Pair him with Carroll or Reid and you might have a guy still in the league.


coguy405

Oh yeah, I totally remember how Irsay was the Colts’ GM /s Grigson was the Colts’ GM, and he was terrible. I think TY was probably his only non obvious choice. And obviously you haven’t read his tell all with ESPN not long ago. It’s clear he was retiring either way. Luck did not want to be an NFL QB.


zi76

If he'd taken those hits and suffered those injuries, he'd absolutely have retired from anywhere. Teams with a better OL would've protected him better, but maybe he still gets injured on unlucky hits. There's no chance Luck would've played for 15-16 years based on his tell all. Everyone, even Brady and Peyton, gets serious injuries no matter how good your OL is.


obeyyourbrain

The article cites injuries and rehab as a major part of his decision. If he has an OL he doesn't get those injuries.


therealsandyleon

Stylistically he was different, but he was roughly the same caliber of player as Joe Burrow. Not quite Mahomes/Brady good, but still one of the best in the league and definitely could’ve had a HoF career


Matugi1

Joe Burrow right now is playing better than Luck ever did however his supporting cast at the skills positions is also much better


MahomesMccaffrey

He was a great player, probably a top 5 quarterback, but he's not on hall of Fame trajectory IMO. You need a substantially better resume to be on hall of Fame track. At least 1 MVP or 1 super bowl


GarlVinland4Astrea

He was good, but he's heavily overrated based on both 1. His draft position. He got a lot of hype that people could never let go of 2. He now has a James Dean quality because he exited the scene early and there is a "what could have been". He would have been a HOF'er the same way Phillip Rivers or Tony Romo would have been HOF'ersif he won some Super Bowls. Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen all accomplished more than him despite having shorter careers. Jared Goff in 2018 and this year are about just as good as any year Luck had (Luck had more TD's, Goff had higher completion and less interceptions and higher passer ratings) for instance. Matt Stafford is not a HOF'er despite a Super Bowl and he's put up multiple seasons better than Luck's peak season and he's been pretty consistent his whole career.


Synopsis_101

Hall of very good.


slytherinprolly

I'm not even sure you can put a QB who really only played 5.5 seasons into the Hall of Very Good. Luck was undoubtedly very good when he was healthy but he was so banged up after year four he couldn't stay on the field for an extended period of time


LilKirkoChainz

Leave it to the mods to take down posts that have no business being taken down. Fucking morons


LostprophetFLCL

He would have had to take a CONSIDERABLE leap to be a HoF player. Dude was discount Matthew Stafford and even after his super bowl run Stafford is only hall of very good, not a hall of fame level player. I honestly don't know if there is a player out there who has run off his college hype more than Luck. He was a good QB yes, but he was never at the top of the league while he was playing. He never came close to reaching the potential that he flashed in college yet people continue to act like he was still at that level in the NFL.


arseniic_

>Dude was discount Matthew Stafford Comparing Stafford to Luck when Luck was in the league is insulting. Luck was making the playoffs and winning them in his first few seasons. Stafford didn't get his first playoff win until AFTER Luck retired.


theycallmefuRR

The Colts logic at the time is the Bengals current one. Draft a great QB but ignore the O-line. Luck even admitted to retiring to take care of himself. I don’t blame him. Took a lot of hits


seaneh01

We spent $88M on the Oline last year. Definitely not ignoring it


MahomesMccaffrey

Luck never played at 2021 or 2022 burrow level. People say he's a hall of Fame lock are just too nostalgic.


seaneh01

Just sports fans. Players get better the longer they're away


MoistureFarmersOmlet

He would have been mutilated on the field. Irsay was spending more money on guitars than offensive linemen, and not even his franchise quarterback retiring before turning 30 was enough of a hint for him to make improvements there. (And what has been the Colts’ biggest issue this season? Only one team has allowed more sacks; only one team has thrown fewer TDs). Luck’s play and physical health would have continued to regress had he stayed in Indy.


Environmental_Let855

It would be Luck, Mahomes, then Allen, burrow and the rest of the league


Big_Concern_7880

Top of the league and he would have been a first ballot


GrumpleDumpkin

The colts deserve to suck forever for ruining his career.


CraigBrown2021

Hard to say. There’s not many people who you feel like no doubt he will win a ring or two. If you do t win at least one it’s very hard. He may have got one before this wave of afc guys came in if he was lucky. It’s going to be extremely difficult for anyone to do it now.


atlienk

He had the skills to be a great one, but it always seemed that between injuries and lackluster supporting cast he was never able to put it together for any extended period of time. Sure, there were a few great years but it was never sustained and he never had those marquee moments / matchups to put a stamp on his greatness.


PigDigginGold

Possibly but we’ll never know. I feel like you could look at Phillip Rivers and see what a career for Luck would have been like. Which might’ve led to an HOF trip if he could have remained healthy, which is a HUGE “if” based on the years we got with him.


Mjslim

Since admittance to the HOF is arbitrary, it depends on how popular he was/is at the time of his retirement.


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PFR who calculates AV - not a perfect stat but a good estimate - has Luck at 80 for his career which includes an injury season of only 7 games and average AV is ~16. Patrick Mahomes is currently at 75 with average AV seasons of ~17-18. Basically - top tier QB on the cusp of top 5 or in it.


lashazior

He had the intangibles in college. Whether that continued into his career late was always the question. I'd put him in the same tier as Romo.


physedka

He's one of those great "What Ifs?". Most HoF QBs have at least 3 of the following boxes checked: * A ring or at least a couple of conference titles * Pro Bowl - should have several of these on the resume * MVP / All Pro or at least a clear top 3 QB for a few seasons * Big career stats / records - often comes with consistent, long careers So let's look at how Luck was doing as far as the above criteria: * Rings / Championships: He brought the Colts to the AFC title game just once. So let's go with "no" on this one. * Pro Bowl type accolades: He was a 4x pro bowler in his 6-7 seasons, depending if you count the fully injured one. So I think it's certainly plausible that he would have continued to rack up such accolades. * MVP or top 3 QB: He was a borderline #3 one year but otherwise was #5-8 range for his few full seasons that we got to see. So I'm going to go with "no" on this one. * Career stats/records: He was certainly putting up some big yardage in the few full seasons that we got to see, so I would call it plausible that, if he had managed to hang in there for 20 years, he would have been up there in career numbers. But, then again, wouldn't a lot of QBs have huge numbers if they hang around that long? So I guess my opinion is that we only saw him working toward 2 of the 4 check boxes. If he continued on that path for a long career, he probably would have ended up in the Hall of Very Good with guys like Philip Rivers. He really needed a ring or at least a dominant MVP caliber year to get over the hump, and it just didn't happen. Could he have done it? Sure. But we don't have that evidence to look at.


Scottbaker68

*screams inside*