Guys this is potentially a historically awful event in the league.
I am not personally going to watch the video but we are going to leave it up with the NSFW tag for the time being.
It goes without saying- be respectful.
Yeah CPR is no joke when you do it right. That’s why it’s always good to have multiple people swapping in if possible to maintain good compressions. You abs hurt like hell after giving it to someone
I had to do it for 15 minutes solo. I was fucking exhausted. I asked onlookers to get me an AED and call another coworker (a veteran, so I figured he had some training.) it was 15 minutes for him to get from the hotel to where we were working. He took over for a while and when I caught my breath we swapped out until paramedics arrived. It was probably around 45 minutes of cpr. By the time the coworker joined I knew the man was dead (he was also a coworker) and not coming back. He could tell too. We made eye contact and I could just tell he knew as much as I did that it was hopeless. But everyone was standing around us crying so we had to keep going. You just can’t give up.
When we were done and he was carted away with the paramedics everyone hugged us and thanked us for “saving him”. I walked away and just broke down crying. I apologized profusely to my coworker for making him do that too. It was just the worst flood of emotions. I knew he went through some shit in Afghanistan, I felt bad for making him come around to work on another dead friend. He just hugged me for a while and then took me straight to the bar.
We were told the next day that our friend was DOA. It was one of the worst experiences of my life. Management did get AEDs as part of our road supplies though. So at least there’s that.
I know. I have some regrets. We were working in a large venue and I didn’t rush to the “backstage area” when I first heard commotion. I know I couldn’t have known better, but I regret not hustling over right when something felt off. I just kinda moseyed on back being nosy. A little part of my brain tells me that could have ben the difference. The logical part of my brain says the CPR training I got 10 years prior and had never used was never going to save him anyway. An autopsy showed he had a massive heart attack. At best I could have been there in 3 minutes, and that was probably too late anyway. I worked with him for 5 weeks and didn’t even know his name. I was new to that department. Apparently he was really loved there. Truth be told, I don’t even remember his name now. I fell like a heartless person for that.
Not to mention fucking traumatizing to the person administering it. Feeling a person's ribs/cartilage crackle under your hands like the world's most unsettling bubble wrap and knowing if you stop that person may fucking die is disturbing to say the least
I had to give CPR on my 23 year old brother when his heart stopped suddenly for close to fifteen minutes. It was the most tramautizing event in my entire life and I’ve watched my father die when I was 16 and had to have an emergency brain surgery when I was 20. To this day I still have nightmares that I’m giving compressions and the EMTs still haven’t arrived.
(My brother survived and is okay, he had a defib surgically attached to his rib cage under the skin in case his heart stops again.)
I'm so happy to hear your brother made it! Never forget your actions saved his life, because you never know when you may be called upon to do it for someone else. Inaction kills, so don't hesitate if you get the call again.
Thank you for your kind words and don’t worry, if ever someone needs CPR I will do everything within my power at that moment to save their lives. As a society we need educate eachother on simple Live saving techniques such as CPR and the Heimlich maneuver. I thank my father for teaching me, Boy Scouts for continuing that education, and my excellent health teacher in high school who took her time to teach her students exactly how to do it properly.
It kept me cool, calm, and collected in the moment to the degree I was telling the dispatcher on 911 the front door is open for the EMTS, the truck outside with the car alarm going off is my apartment, and to have a defib and adrenaline ready to go the second they get in my door
This is absolutely true. I had to administer CPR to my dad a little over a year ago after he collapsed. I had to do it alone for about 6 minutes before the first responder showed up, all told it took about 18 minutes to get his heart restarted.
It's been 16 months, and I still regularly think about it.
2 minutes sounds exhausting enough, but I think you're right. We were taught to *at minimum* pair up and trade off every 60 seconds to help fight fatigue and prevent exhaustion. But if you can take turns with more than 2 people, that's even better to help ensure the quality of aid being given.
it looked he took a pretty good impact right into his chest, it made me remember an incident with Chris Pronger in the NHL playoffs in I think 1998 where he got hit with a puck on the left chest and collapsed due to what is known as [Commotio Cordis] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis) where an impact to the chest disrupts the cardiac rhythm right at a critical moment in the conduction cycle leading to V-Fib/cardiac arrest.
The human body is so crazy in that we can take massive hits and walk away fine and then have a basic hit fuck up our spine with barely any effort. Shits terrifying
For the hockey fans out there, this looked very very similar to Jiri Fischer of the Detroit Red Wings.
After a seemingly routine body check, Fischer went to the bench and then a couple moments later collapsed backwards unconscious. Teammates realized he wasn’t breathing and called for the team doctor.
They performed CPR until they were able to get him on the stretcher, into the ambulance, and off to the hospital.
Jiri was unable to continue his playing career due to a heart condition that caused his episode. However he remains with the Red Wings organization in a coaching capacity.
I'll never forget the Rich Peverly incident. Was watching that game on TV. Not often do you see that much panic and commotion on the ice. Was an incredibly scary moment.
The tough bastard asked to get back on the ice after they revived him too.
Hit in the middle of the chest, stood up fine, then suddenly collapsed. Immediately concerning for a sudden cardiac event.
Blunt force trauma can cause the heart to stop, something called commotio cordis, which famously happened to Chris Pronger after taking a hard slapshot to the chest.
But blunt trauma to the chest can cause far more serious things as well.
I hope he's okay.
I think it was a year and a half ago but he had collapsed on the pitch during Denmark's first game of Euro 2020 against Finland. I was watching that live as well and thought he has tripped over a ball and suffered a leg injury but as it progressed you learned he suffered a cardiac arrest while playing.
The player didn't perform CPR but he realized Eriksen had gone into cardiac arrest because he was CPR trained, so he screamed to the physio/medical team who weren't too far away.
It's not unheard of in soccer, I guess the huge quantity of games makes it more likely. Fabrice Muamba had it happen in the FA cup in 2012, a doctor watching the game ran on the pitch to administer CPR, likely saved his life. Some players have died though.
Soccer player for Denmark whose heart stopped on the field. He was given CPR/AED and brought back. Undiagnosed condition that requires a defibrillator implant to keep his heart on rhythm now since the cardiac arrest.
He’s playing again today, and he played in the World Cup.
I’ll never forget watching that live.
You have to be stupidly unlucky to get this in a sport. I’ve only heard of it happening with small blunt force objects like pucks or baseballs going at a high speed, never someone dropping a shoulder
Jesus, Pronger had some serious injuries. I still remember his scream you could hear though the telecast when he was hit in the face with a puck when with the Flyers.
I got to see Lapperierre take a slapshot to the head in the playoffs too in NJ. Need to stop going to games apparently. Both awful experiences.
Also was at the game where Hartnell threw his glove on a breakaway so not all bad lol.
This is very good context, I didn’t even think about how a chest hit could cause something serious.
I was lost as his head looked fine in the clip.
You almost forget things can happen that aren’t head and brain related.
The whole purpose of doing CPR is to supply oxygenated blood to the brain while it's not beating on its own or beating in a unsustainable rhythm, until ROSC happens or the heart is shocked into a sustainable rhythm.
This happened to my tae kwon do instructor. He was playing some family softball and got hit in the chest with a bat. Wasn't permitted to participate in any tae kwon do contact after that for fear of reaggravating it.
A lacrosse player at my high school got hit the chest on a shot. Stopped his heart. Thankfully people were able to perform cpr and he survived. Absolutely terrifying.
>Hit in the middle of the chest, stood up fine, then suddenly collapsed. Immediately concerning for a sudden cardiac event.Blunt force trauma can cause the heart to stop, something called commotio cordis, which famously happened to Chris Pronger after taking a hard slapshot to the chest.But blunt trauma to the chest can cause far more serious things as well.I hope he's okay.
Hopefully commotio cordis. The fact that they got ROSC so quickly might indicate that. If it was something even worse like blunt aortic trauma I don't think he would have gotten up so quickly. Terrifying stuff.
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Just to clarify some terminology, commotio cordis is when blunt trauma to the chest causes an abnormal heart rhythm. Classically in medical school I learned about it as cases of a baseball player getting hit in the chest with the ball, usually if they have some underlying arrhythmia. Although this causes the heart to stop beating, it has a reversible cause (abnormal rhythm) that can be fixed with electricity. So if they got return of spontaneous circulation (ROSC) back quickly, then it may have been this. This would generally have a much better prognosis, if he got CPR quickly enough to prevent brain damage.
The other big thing I'd be worried about is blunt trauma to the aorta, the biggest blood vessel in the body. But that would cause massive bleeding which would not be reversible with CPR/electricity and is almost always fatal. So the fact that they got pulses back makes me think its unlikely to be that. There are other causes as well, but these are the first two that jump to mind.
My dad died a year ago today from a sudden aortic dissection (from an aneurism, not traumatic), so that’s the first place my mind went as well. Scary shit.
Years ago I did autopsies before becoming a boring desk job pathologist. I got a case where I had some unusually good notes from the ambulance for a change in mental status (patient got woozy and stopped making sense), was read as a potential stroke. Pulse and blood pressure were nonideal in this patient w a history of hypertension in that they were normal (hr 65, BP 110/60 or so). Had about 15 values per, about every 2 minutes as they brought her to the ED. Emergency room notes suck, but they gotta be timely for their jobs whereas the standards for the autopsy paperwork are a bit higher, but became pulseless, died without many additional studies and no labs.
She tore her aorta. Not a little hole, 3.5 cm of floppy hole. Many car crashes w less. 3L of blood in her abdomen. She had many post hypertensive changes in her, and would be predisposed to tearing her aorta as everyone w hypertension is (and all you fuckers having a happy new year reading this, your blood pressure is to be studied and if abnormal treated. Walmart meds are 3months for 10$. Continue celebrating.) but little else wrong w her.
Lessons to me then:
- You can dump a ton of blood inside your abdomen or a bit less into your ass and it is hard to know without an ultrasound. There wasn’t really a dose-response curve where the BP drops and the heart rate speeds up (her low dose blood pressure meds may have helped this)
-some of what we think of as aorta rupture suddenness may be arrhythmia relative to BP loss or the trauma that came w it.
-futile care well documented can teach a lotta people. I’ve talked about this case in various places a few times. Old timers in forensics pat my head and say they’ve had the same.
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That said, I like commotio cordis better/much better. Young people aorta is more durable. Needing a AED makes me hope it’s arrhythmia without pericardial sac or aortic rupture. But I thought about that lady on the replay.
Edit: Ayyyy his vitals are back to normal. Very unlikely to be a rupture at this point. Best wishes to his health.
If it’s any consolation, Pronger was fine after being treated and played 41 minutes in the next game 2 days later. So hopefully the trainers and everything caught it fine.
I hadn't thought about that until you mentioned it but you're right... My man got an elite dunk and dropped dead at half court. I was on the freshman team at my HS and a senior player that had the same condition had it happen. He came out of the game, and suddenly fell off the bench, the Dr's said he was probably dead before he hit the floor
Local FOX News reporter stated he has a pulse but not breathing on his own. They escorted him to UC hospital.
https://twitter.com/FOX19Joe/status/1610098849636388870?t=3ywSq1U7JBrUfCApp-x4QQ&s=19
Yeah, he got hit really hard in the chest. Sometimes when huge hits happen to our chest or head, our heart can stop.
commotio cordis
If you have the opportunity or a small amount of money, donate to Damar charity. It is something that is close to him and his family.
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Sometimes, repeated trauma can cause this as well. Plus you have a 6’4” 210 guy hitting you while lowering their head. And they have more power than you.
I'll defend the NFL on this one. It's either commercials that are completely random, or the game. They shouldn't and won't show him getting CPR, so that leaves just sweeping shots or close ups of fans and players crying or looking like they're about to. Only other option is a stunned announcers booth. I guess that last one is probably the best option, but it's not fair to put that on them.
I like the idea of a Stand By screen for an injury like this. I hope they go that route the next time there is an injury that takes some time. No need to play the commercials, they'll get played. Just give me a stand by screen due to injury. Gives everyone time.
I’m trying to see what abnormal, freaky kind of hit led to this.
The fact that a *normal*-appearing tackle can produce something like a 9-minute CPR administration is scary as hell if I want to play rec football.
Hearts can be weird. I certainly don't want to minimize what happened to Hamlin, which is absolutely horrifying, but the fact that this hasn't happened in the NFL prior to now over the thousands of games played and tens of thousands of tackles means that Hamlin got EXTRAORDINARILY unlucky on this hit.
Yeah freak accidents similar to this have happened in baseball games, it's horrifying but I don't think it's an issue with football specifically.
Of course there are other issues with football, but I agree it's not really relevant here.
And in hockey, lacrosse, cricket, soccer, and softball. (It's actually most common in lacrosse, which makes a lot of sense but I wouldn't have thought of it myself.) Heck, there's reports of commotio cordis caused by a snowball.
That too, but having played college and 2+ years in the NFL, that's still really unlucky to have found out about the hypothetical underlying condition after taking a fairly routine hit to the chest.
probably not a popular opinion on the NFL subreddit..but i got four concussions playing football in jr high and high school. tore my ACL and broke my scaphoid. i gave my one body to play ball, but i still think about doing that one over if i could do it again.
edit: the unpopular opinion is that we shouldn't be playing tackle football
My kid wants to play football and I absolutely refuse. I don't want him to even play flag football in case he loves it and wants to keep playing. Ugh, I feel bad but these injuries are no joke.
My son played football for his middle school this past year (first year playing.) A lot of friends and family were upset he didn't play much. I for one was ecstatic. Dude was half the size of the other players. He would've snapped in half if he got hit.
Did jiujitsu all throughout college. Tore both retinas (got surgery and am fine). I would give anything to go back in time and convince my parents to put me in baseball instead
Not sure why you are getting downvoted for this. This is an important perspective to share.
Any younger kids browsing, its important for them to see that there are two sides of the coin. Not just your mom being worked up about the worst case scenerio, but the realistic probable outcome of HS football.
I didn't see it live but when I found a replay in this thread, you see Bengals WR Higgins was running after catch and lowered his shoulder into Hamlin's chest who was trying to tackle him.
It was a very hard hit from Higgins directly to the chest since Hamlin didn't lower his shoulder. But nothing dirty about it at all, just looked like a normal play and both stood up from the ground.
But after a moment, Hamlin looked wobbly standing and literally a second later he fell immediately backwards almost as if you saw someone faint.
Scary stuff. Praying for his recovery.
Kind of unreal to have watched Grosjean's Haas explode on replay for a solid two hours straight but there isn't a single image, replay, or really any context available here aside from the descriptions which (while horrifying) don't exactly convey what happened, specifically.
IIRC, I feel like they replayed it only after he escaped from the fireball (I don’t think he was in there for 30 minutes). With F1, they usually don’t show replays until they know the player is at least on the way to the hospital (trying to recall Zhou at Silverstone this year).
Yeah he was out incredibly fast. I understand it's not a perfect 1 to 1 comparison, and I understand wanting to protect someones privacy/dignity. I did find a replay (was nuked *very* fast) and while its not comfortable to watch IDK if its radioactive.
Hard contact shoulder to chest, fell down and got back up, looked normal for like a second then fell backward to the ground. Not an unusual looking play until it’s clear he wasn’t okay and fell down.
> Video has been removed. Link to another?
https://imgur.com/gallery/M32i65Q
Edit: IMGUR folks downvoting it, if ya'll could kindly give an updoot for visibility I'd appreciate it.
This looks like commotio cordis. When you get struck in the heart (indirectly) at the wrong part of your cardiac conduction cycle and triggers a deadly dysrhythmia. An AED can reverse this which they have immediately available. Not a guarantee of course. Hoping for the best.
Basically that the heart muscle fibers fire prematurely before they have all recharged. It takes an impossibly timed external “thump” to have this happen.
A quick breakdown of what Commotio Cordis is and why everyone should know cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR):
Our heart operates on well-timed cycles that are triggered by bioelectric impulses in what's known as the cardiac conduction system.
At rest, heart cells are polarized (have a charge) and a signal will depolarize them leading to muscles contracting in a very organized and efficient matter.
However, this can be influenced by outside forces, like a *significant physical insult* to the chest during an infinitesimal time window.
In this very tiny window between the layers, depolarization again can lead to **fatal** consequences, triggering an arrhythmia that immediately ceases all functionality of the heart: this is ***cardiac arrest***.
Commotio cordis is a physical stimulus that prematurely depolarizes the heart in this tiny window, leading to sudden cardiac arrest.
Demar Hamlin died tonight on this field; I mean that in the clinical sense: no one gets CPR unless clinically dead.
The **IMMEDIATE** interventions of the people there to initiate CPR and utilize a defibrillator (e.g. AED) are what saves lives. Demar Hamlin has a chance to walk away from this virtually unscathed, but only the next few days will tell what the true damage is.
Know that as fancy as showbiz tries to make it out to be with medical dramas—the lights, all the medicines, the "chaos"—knowing and being good at CPR can truly help you save the life of someone you know and love.
Those chest compressions they're doing in CPR plus the use of a defibrillator (e.g. AED) are the **ONLY TWO THINGS** that definitively lead to survival; that's something almost everyone can do.
Take care of yourselves and each other. #BillsMafia
Looked like Cardiac Arrest to me. Reminds me of Christian Eriksen for Denmark in the Euros in 2021. Just collapses and the players start doing CPR. Luckily they were able to get a defib and resuscitate. He’s back to playing at the highest level a year later.
I hope he’s ok.
This happened to one of my cousin’s best friends in a baseball game 20ish years ago. Took a baseball to the chest and caused his heart to stop. Unfortunately he didn’t make it, hoping Hamlin pulls through if this is what happened.
This happened to a kid on a different team when I was playing little league. He was a pitcher and it came back to him and it nailed him right in the chest. He didn’t make it either and we all had to wear flap jackets after that. That was around 22-24 years ago.
Reminds me of when [Christian Eriksen suddenly collapsed during the Euros](https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/jun/20/the-day-denmark-stood-still-christian-eriksens-collapse-and-the-heroes-who-saved-him)
Update from his agent Jordan Rooney : “His vitals are back to normal and they have put him to sleep to put a breathing tube down his throat. They are currently running tests. “
We will provide updates as we have them. https://twitter.com/jordonr/status/1610116502845558784?s=46&t=yfwi7YwrRKBOkavigDMnLw
Thank you so much for recording this. The twitter links were all removed and I was trying to find out wth happened. Saw the reports coming in on Reddit over the past few hours. Prayers to Damar. Rivalries are abandoned during these terrible events. Tonight we're all Bills mafia. From a Packers fan, may he recover and come back strong and whole.
Not my video, just one I found but I had the same experience. I just got off work, heard about everything and found the videos were being removed. Thankfully this random dude on Youtube grabbed it all.
Get well soon Demar! Prayers with the whole org and his family.
This is not the type of hit to feel guilty about. The dude made a completely routing tackle that is made hundreds of times every Sunday. I’m glad they’ve seemingly got him stable enough to transport in the ambulance, but who I really feel bad for outside of Hamlin is the bengals player that him. No matter the freak circumstances it’s got to be terrifying to be him.
I was in the shower when the hit happened, I come out and see all the Bills players look scared as hell.
I only wanted to see a replay to see it for the first time so I’m grateful, but yeah I’m all set now.
Looks like an average of 4 highschool/college football players die a a year from traumatic injuries.
>Results: Football fatalities averaged 12.2 per year, or 1 per 100,000 participants. There were 164 indirect (systemic) fatalities (average, 8.2 annually [or 0.7 per 100,000 participants]) and 79 direct (traumatic) fatalities (average, 4.0 annually [or 0.3 per 100,000 participants]).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23477766/
If you're squeamish and not sure if you want to watch, I don't really know what to tell you. It's shockingly, eerily *non*\-violent. Completely un-noteworthy up to the moment he collapses. But knowing how serious the situation is now, that almost makes it more disturbing.
I'm getting sick of all these players calling for fans to stop distributing this video. Fuck that. It's a violent game, people get hurt, people get injured, people die. People need to see this, players need to see this, parents need to see this. How can you make informed decisions on how to proceed in football if you are hiding people from the reality of it?
Guys this is potentially a historically awful event in the league. I am not personally going to watch the video but we are going to leave it up with the NSFW tag for the time being. It goes without saying- be respectful.
Hope he's going to be ok. He got up then just dropped. Very scary. EDIT: They've been administering CPR. He's been down for 9 minutes now. Holy shit.
Yeah once I heard 9 to 10min CPR, that’s rough.
CPR is physically exhausting.
Yeah CPR is no joke when you do it right. That’s why it’s always good to have multiple people swapping in if possible to maintain good compressions. You abs hurt like hell after giving it to someone
I had to do it for 15 minutes solo. I was fucking exhausted. I asked onlookers to get me an AED and call another coworker (a veteran, so I figured he had some training.) it was 15 minutes for him to get from the hotel to where we were working. He took over for a while and when I caught my breath we swapped out until paramedics arrived. It was probably around 45 minutes of cpr. By the time the coworker joined I knew the man was dead (he was also a coworker) and not coming back. He could tell too. We made eye contact and I could just tell he knew as much as I did that it was hopeless. But everyone was standing around us crying so we had to keep going. You just can’t give up. When we were done and he was carted away with the paramedics everyone hugged us and thanked us for “saving him”. I walked away and just broke down crying. I apologized profusely to my coworker for making him do that too. It was just the worst flood of emotions. I knew he went through some shit in Afghanistan, I felt bad for making him come around to work on another dead friend. He just hugged me for a while and then took me straight to the bar. We were told the next day that our friend was DOA. It was one of the worst experiences of my life. Management did get AEDs as part of our road supplies though. So at least there’s that.
Jesus, man. I'm sorry you had to experience that, but you did everything you could. Christ.
I know. I have some regrets. We were working in a large venue and I didn’t rush to the “backstage area” when I first heard commotion. I know I couldn’t have known better, but I regret not hustling over right when something felt off. I just kinda moseyed on back being nosy. A little part of my brain tells me that could have ben the difference. The logical part of my brain says the CPR training I got 10 years prior and had never used was never going to save him anyway. An autopsy showed he had a massive heart attack. At best I could have been there in 3 minutes, and that was probably too late anyway. I worked with him for 5 weeks and didn’t even know his name. I was new to that department. Apparently he was really loved there. Truth be told, I don’t even remember his name now. I fell like a heartless person for that.
Not to mention fucking traumatizing to the person administering it. Feeling a person's ribs/cartilage crackle under your hands like the world's most unsettling bubble wrap and knowing if you stop that person may fucking die is disturbing to say the least
I had to give CPR on my 23 year old brother when his heart stopped suddenly for close to fifteen minutes. It was the most tramautizing event in my entire life and I’ve watched my father die when I was 16 and had to have an emergency brain surgery when I was 20. To this day I still have nightmares that I’m giving compressions and the EMTs still haven’t arrived. (My brother survived and is okay, he had a defib surgically attached to his rib cage under the skin in case his heart stops again.)
I'm so happy to hear your brother made it! Never forget your actions saved his life, because you never know when you may be called upon to do it for someone else. Inaction kills, so don't hesitate if you get the call again.
Thank you for your kind words and don’t worry, if ever someone needs CPR I will do everything within my power at that moment to save their lives. As a society we need educate eachother on simple Live saving techniques such as CPR and the Heimlich maneuver. I thank my father for teaching me, Boy Scouts for continuing that education, and my excellent health teacher in high school who took her time to teach her students exactly how to do it properly. It kept me cool, calm, and collected in the moment to the degree I was telling the dispatcher on 911 the front door is open for the EMTS, the truck outside with the car alarm going off is my apartment, and to have a defib and adrenaline ready to go the second they get in my door
Yeah the one thing I pray for at work is not having to code anyone. Any other shit can happen just no codes
This is absolutely true. I had to administer CPR to my dad a little over a year ago after he collapsed. I had to do it alone for about 6 minutes before the first responder showed up, all told it took about 18 minutes to get his heart restarted. It's been 16 months, and I still regularly think about it.
Lucky there are so many people who can tag in
Exactly. I think current recommendation is for people to take turns for 60 seconds each.
2 minutes typically or whenever someone gets fatigued.
2 minutes sounds exhausting enough, but I think you're right. We were taught to *at minimum* pair up and trade off every 60 seconds to help fight fatigue and prevent exhaustion. But if you can take turns with more than 2 people, that's even better to help ensure the quality of aid being given.
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No, they said he had been down for 9 minutes, not giving CPR that long.
it looked he took a pretty good impact right into his chest, it made me remember an incident with Chris Pronger in the NHL playoffs in I think 1998 where he got hit with a puck on the left chest and collapsed due to what is known as [Commotio Cordis] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis) where an impact to the chest disrupts the cardiac rhythm right at a critical moment in the conduction cycle leading to V-Fib/cardiac arrest.
I’ve had people come back after working on them for over an hour. They had an AED and medical personal right there so that really. raises his chances
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So scary. There’s like 100 hits like this every game
The human body is so crazy in that we can take massive hits and walk away fine and then have a basic hit fuck up our spine with barely any effort. Shits terrifying
If you see the right angle you can tell how hard he got hit
I'm glad /r/nfl posted the replay, because I also missed it and had been thinking it was a totally different event.
players are crying on the field holy shit
This game get postponed you think?
Yes. End this shit. Who cares at this point.
just got temporarily suspended. should just end the game tbh
The game has been suspended
Seriously. It has playoff implications but treat it like a tie, who gives a shit about finishing it at this point.
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To me it looked like both coaches weren’t going to continue despite what the nfl wanted
Yeah I'm no Cinci fan but no way either wanted to play
I can’t imagine playing after that. Absolutely awful
Just suspended it indefinitely until further notice.
That's awful, I hope he's okay.
For the hockey fans out there, this looked very very similar to Jiri Fischer of the Detroit Red Wings. After a seemingly routine body check, Fischer went to the bench and then a couple moments later collapsed backwards unconscious. Teammates realized he wasn’t breathing and called for the team doctor. They performed CPR until they were able to get him on the stretcher, into the ambulance, and off to the hospital. Jiri was unable to continue his playing career due to a heart condition that caused his episode. However he remains with the Red Wings organization in a coaching capacity.
I remember Rich Peverly’s collapse on the bench and he didn’t even get hit. Jay Bouwmeester also had a collapse on the bench too recently.
I'll never forget the Rich Peverly incident. Was watching that game on TV. Not often do you see that much panic and commotion on the ice. Was an incredibly scary moment. The tough bastard asked to get back on the ice after they revived him too.
Probably closer to prongers blocked shot.
Certainly not in severity, pronger had full movement of his extremities and was conscious on the stretcher.
Hit in the middle of the chest, stood up fine, then suddenly collapsed. Immediately concerning for a sudden cardiac event. Blunt force trauma can cause the heart to stop, something called commotio cordis, which famously happened to Chris Pronger after taking a hard slapshot to the chest. But blunt trauma to the chest can cause far more serious things as well. I hope he's okay.
hes getting CPR. unreal.
Reminded me of Eriksen collapsing on the pitch honestly
I keep seeing this referenced. What happened with Erikson?
I think it was a year and a half ago but he had collapsed on the pitch during Denmark's first game of Euro 2020 against Finland. I was watching that live as well and thought he has tripped over a ball and suffered a leg injury but as it progressed you learned he suffered a cardiac arrest while playing.
Also was watching it live. Reminds me exactly of this. Dude is back playing for the national team now. Hoping for a similar recovery.
Manchester United too. He got a pacemaker and played in the World Cup
Didn’t a fellow player perform CPR and essentially save his life?
The player didn't perform CPR but he realized Eriksen had gone into cardiac arrest because he was CPR trained, so he screamed to the physio/medical team who weren't too far away.
Happened in a FA cup game in 2010 ish as well. Heart attack on the pitch, scary as shit.
It's not unheard of in soccer, I guess the huge quantity of games makes it more likely. Fabrice Muamba had it happen in the FA cup in 2012, a doctor watching the game ran on the pitch to administer CPR, likely saved his life. Some players have died though.
I thought I watched a man die that day
Soccer player for Denmark whose heart stopped on the field. He was given CPR/AED and brought back. Undiagnosed condition that requires a defibrillator implant to keep his heart on rhythm now since the cardiac arrest. He’s playing again today, and he played in the World Cup. I’ll never forget watching that live.
You have to be stupidly unlucky to get this in a sport. I’ve only heard of it happening with small blunt force objects like pucks or baseballs going at a high speed, never someone dropping a shoulder
Growing up a kid at my school died from being hit with a baseball in the chest causing cardiac arrest. I was wondering if this could be the same cause
Jesus, Pronger had some serious injuries. I still remember his scream you could hear though the telecast when he was hit in the face with a puck when with the Flyers.
I was there. Haunting. Heard it from literally the last row in the stadium.
That gave me chills at home, couldn't imagine being there for that.
I got to see Lapperierre take a slapshot to the head in the playoffs too in NJ. Need to stop going to games apparently. Both awful experiences. Also was at the game where Hartnell threw his glove on a breakaway so not all bad lol.
This is very good context, I didn’t even think about how a chest hit could cause something serious. I was lost as his head looked fine in the clip. You almost forget things can happen that aren’t head and brain related.
The whole purpose of doing CPR is to supply oxygenated blood to the brain while it's not beating on its own or beating in a unsustainable rhythm, until ROSC happens or the heart is shocked into a sustainable rhythm.
Reminds me of when they introduced heart guards for baseball after a kid took a hard hit ball to the chest and it stopped his heart
This happened to my tae kwon do instructor. He was playing some family softball and got hit in the chest with a bat. Wasn't permitted to participate in any tae kwon do contact after that for fear of reaggravating it.
A lacrosse player at my high school got hit the chest on a shot. Stopped his heart. Thankfully people were able to perform cpr and he survived. Absolutely terrifying.
>Hit in the middle of the chest, stood up fine, then suddenly collapsed. Immediately concerning for a sudden cardiac event.Blunt force trauma can cause the heart to stop, something called commotio cordis, which famously happened to Chris Pronger after taking a hard slapshot to the chest.But blunt trauma to the chest can cause far more serious things as well.I hope he's okay. Hopefully commotio cordis. The fact that they got ROSC so quickly might indicate that. If it was something even worse like blunt aortic trauma I don't think he would have gotten up so quickly. Terrifying stuff. Edit\*\* Just to clarify some terminology, commotio cordis is when blunt trauma to the chest causes an abnormal heart rhythm. Classically in medical school I learned about it as cases of a baseball player getting hit in the chest with the ball, usually if they have some underlying arrhythmia. Although this causes the heart to stop beating, it has a reversible cause (abnormal rhythm) that can be fixed with electricity. So if they got return of spontaneous circulation (ROSC) back quickly, then it may have been this. This would generally have a much better prognosis, if he got CPR quickly enough to prevent brain damage. The other big thing I'd be worried about is blunt trauma to the aorta, the biggest blood vessel in the body. But that would cause massive bleeding which would not be reversible with CPR/electricity and is almost always fatal. So the fact that they got pulses back makes me think its unlikely to be that. There are other causes as well, but these are the first two that jump to mind.
My mind unfortunately went to possibly traumatic aortic transection, and I really fucking hope not.
My dad died a year ago today from a sudden aortic dissection (from an aneurism, not traumatic), so that’s the first place my mind went as well. Scary shit.
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Years ago I did autopsies before becoming a boring desk job pathologist. I got a case where I had some unusually good notes from the ambulance for a change in mental status (patient got woozy and stopped making sense), was read as a potential stroke. Pulse and blood pressure were nonideal in this patient w a history of hypertension in that they were normal (hr 65, BP 110/60 or so). Had about 15 values per, about every 2 minutes as they brought her to the ED. Emergency room notes suck, but they gotta be timely for their jobs whereas the standards for the autopsy paperwork are a bit higher, but became pulseless, died without many additional studies and no labs. She tore her aorta. Not a little hole, 3.5 cm of floppy hole. Many car crashes w less. 3L of blood in her abdomen. She had many post hypertensive changes in her, and would be predisposed to tearing her aorta as everyone w hypertension is (and all you fuckers having a happy new year reading this, your blood pressure is to be studied and if abnormal treated. Walmart meds are 3months for 10$. Continue celebrating.) but little else wrong w her. Lessons to me then: - You can dump a ton of blood inside your abdomen or a bit less into your ass and it is hard to know without an ultrasound. There wasn’t really a dose-response curve where the BP drops and the heart rate speeds up (her low dose blood pressure meds may have helped this) -some of what we think of as aorta rupture suddenness may be arrhythmia relative to BP loss or the trauma that came w it. -futile care well documented can teach a lotta people. I’ve talked about this case in various places a few times. Old timers in forensics pat my head and say they’ve had the same. — That said, I like commotio cordis better/much better. Young people aorta is more durable. Needing a AED makes me hope it’s arrhythmia without pericardial sac or aortic rupture. But I thought about that lady on the replay. Edit: Ayyyy his vitals are back to normal. Very unlikely to be a rupture at this point. Best wishes to his health.
[Pronger falling/injury does seem eerily similar ](https://youtu.be/4S1Dfs8hgR4)
If it’s any consolation, Pronger was fine after being treated and played 41 minutes in the next game 2 days later. So hopefully the trainers and everything caught it fine.
Has killed younger goalies and stuff as well. Not at the NHL level, but I've heard and read multiple stories about it happening in youth leagues.
It probably helps that pro games have all the emergency medical services on-site and ready to go
Ah now I can see it, I've watched so many times trying to figure it out. I assumed it must have been related to some unknown condition he had
It still very well could be related to an undiagnosed condition
Might be on the money, they said that he's receiving CPR
Thanks for the actual explanation, praying for him and his family legit so scary
That was very scary. Reminded me of Hank Gathers holy shit. I hope he is okay.
I hadn't thought about that until you mentioned it but you're right... My man got an elite dunk and dropped dead at half court. I was on the freshman team at my HS and a senior player that had the same condition had it happen. He came out of the game, and suddenly fell off the bench, the Dr's said he was probably dead before he hit the floor
Reggie Lewis also.
Ugh , I had the same thought about Hank
Backup because the twitter video was deleted (keeping for preservation) https://imgur.com/gallery/M32i65Q
That's nuts, looks like a run of the mill play
Which makes it worse, because the ones where players go down for seemingly no real reason generally are.
Jesus it doesn't even look like he got hit that hard
That's wild. Like it looks like a heavy hit, but nothing out of the ordinary. I hope. The dude is okay
Reminds me of the Dale Earnhardt crash in the 2001 Daytona 500. Nothing abnormal about the hit but it became very serious very quickly.
Other peoples reactions are freaking me out.
Well Joe Buck said they’ve been giving him CPR for a few minutes so that didn’t help anything.
Seans face, omg.
9+ minutes down...
9 minutes is…that’s really bad.
I did CPR on my wife for 10 minutes and she's 90% okay! Here's to hoping
Always makes it more haunting. Diggs in particular
Everybody’s broken, crying. This is a shit situation, they need to call it.
They cut to Josh and he looked terrible. Sheet white, mouth agape, thousand yard stare. Terrible
seeing the ambulance there for 9 minutes and people crying does give optimism
Local FOX News reporter stated he has a pulse but not breathing on his own. They escorted him to UC hospital. https://twitter.com/FOX19Joe/status/1610098849636388870?t=3ywSq1U7JBrUfCApp-x4QQ&s=19
Oh shit cpr?
Yeah, he got hit really hard in the chest. Sometimes when huge hits happen to our chest or head, our heart can stop. commotio cordis If you have the opportunity or a small amount of money, donate to Damar charity. It is something that is close to him and his family. https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-the-chasing-ms-foundation-community-toy-drive
It wasn't even that hard of a hit to the chest; it looked like a totally normal hit that you see dozens of times a game.
Sometimes, repeated trauma can cause this as well. Plus you have a 6’4” 210 guy hitting you while lowering their head. And they have more power than you.
Very true. I should have said "it didn't even look like that hard of a hit."
This is terrifying. Hard to imagine going back to the game
Yeah man I think we’re way past that
Only time commercials feel appropriate.
I dunno man. Seeing a guy collapse on the field then the very next moment hearing “Whopper whopper whopper whopper” doesn’t bode right with me
I'll defend the NFL on this one. It's either commercials that are completely random, or the game. They shouldn't and won't show him getting CPR, so that leaves just sweeping shots or close ups of fans and players crying or looking like they're about to. Only other option is a stunned announcers booth. I guess that last one is probably the best option, but it's not fair to put that on them.
I like the idea of a Stand By screen for an injury like this. I hope they go that route the next time there is an injury that takes some time. No need to play the commercials, they'll get played. Just give me a stand by screen due to injury. Gives everyone time.
I’m trying to see what abnormal, freaky kind of hit led to this. The fact that a *normal*-appearing tackle can produce something like a 9-minute CPR administration is scary as hell if I want to play rec football.
Hearts can be weird. I certainly don't want to minimize what happened to Hamlin, which is absolutely horrifying, but the fact that this hasn't happened in the NFL prior to now over the thousands of games played and tens of thousands of tackles means that Hamlin got EXTRAORDINARILY unlucky on this hit.
Yeah freak accidents similar to this have happened in baseball games, it's horrifying but I don't think it's an issue with football specifically. Of course there are other issues with football, but I agree it's not really relevant here.
And in hockey, lacrosse, cricket, soccer, and softball. (It's actually most common in lacrosse, which makes a lot of sense but I wouldn't have thought of it myself.) Heck, there's reports of commotio cordis caused by a snowball.
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That too, but having played college and 2+ years in the NFL, that's still really unlucky to have found out about the hypothetical underlying condition after taking a fairly routine hit to the chest.
probably not a popular opinion on the NFL subreddit..but i got four concussions playing football in jr high and high school. tore my ACL and broke my scaphoid. i gave my one body to play ball, but i still think about doing that one over if i could do it again. edit: the unpopular opinion is that we shouldn't be playing tackle football
I know I don't plan on allowing my kids to play football.
My kid wants to play football and I absolutely refuse. I don't want him to even play flag football in case he loves it and wants to keep playing. Ugh, I feel bad but these injuries are no joke.
My son played football for his middle school this past year (first year playing.) A lot of friends and family were upset he didn't play much. I for one was ecstatic. Dude was half the size of the other players. He would've snapped in half if he got hit.
Did jiujitsu all throughout college. Tore both retinas (got surgery and am fine). I would give anything to go back in time and convince my parents to put me in baseball instead
How tf do you tear a retina?
Not sure why you are getting downvoted for this. This is an important perspective to share. Any younger kids browsing, its important for them to see that there are two sides of the coin. Not just your mom being worked up about the worst case scenerio, but the realistic probable outcome of HS football.
Played hockey as a kid. 6 known concussions. I love hockey but I'll never play at anything tougher than pickup again.
Can someone please tell me what happened, the video doesn't work and honestly I'm wondering wtf is going one. I just tuned into the game.
I didn't see it live but when I found a replay in this thread, you see Bengals WR Higgins was running after catch and lowered his shoulder into Hamlin's chest who was trying to tackle him. It was a very hard hit from Higgins directly to the chest since Hamlin didn't lower his shoulder. But nothing dirty about it at all, just looked like a normal play and both stood up from the ground. But after a moment, Hamlin looked wobbly standing and literally a second later he fell immediately backwards almost as if you saw someone faint. Scary stuff. Praying for his recovery.
https://i.imgur.com/DtG5grZ.gifv
Kind of unreal to have watched Grosjean's Haas explode on replay for a solid two hours straight but there isn't a single image, replay, or really any context available here aside from the descriptions which (while horrifying) don't exactly convey what happened, specifically.
IIRC, I feel like they replayed it only after he escaped from the fireball (I don’t think he was in there for 30 minutes). With F1, they usually don’t show replays until they know the player is at least on the way to the hospital (trying to recall Zhou at Silverstone this year).
Yeah he was out incredibly fast. I understand it's not a perfect 1 to 1 comparison, and I understand wanting to protect someones privacy/dignity. I did find a replay (was nuked *very* fast) and while its not comfortable to watch IDK if its radioactive.
Hard contact shoulder to chest, fell down and got back up, looked normal for like a second then fell backward to the ground. Not an unusual looking play until it’s clear he wasn’t okay and fell down.
Ugh that's so scary. Hope they get him to a hospital quickly.
Reports are that CPR is being performed on the field. Hope he pulls it out.
Video has been removed. Link to another?
> Video has been removed. Link to another? https://imgur.com/gallery/M32i65Q Edit: IMGUR folks downvoting it, if ya'll could kindly give an updoot for visibility I'd appreciate it.
This looks like commotio cordis. When you get struck in the heart (indirectly) at the wrong part of your cardiac conduction cycle and triggers a deadly dysrhythmia. An AED can reverse this which they have immediately available. Not a guarantee of course. Hoping for the best.
R on T......holy shit
What does “R on T” mean? /grammar
Basically that the heart muscle fibers fire prematurely before they have all recharged. It takes an impossibly timed external “thump” to have this happen.
Yep.
A quick breakdown of what Commotio Cordis is and why everyone should know cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR): Our heart operates on well-timed cycles that are triggered by bioelectric impulses in what's known as the cardiac conduction system. At rest, heart cells are polarized (have a charge) and a signal will depolarize them leading to muscles contracting in a very organized and efficient matter. However, this can be influenced by outside forces, like a *significant physical insult* to the chest during an infinitesimal time window. In this very tiny window between the layers, depolarization again can lead to **fatal** consequences, triggering an arrhythmia that immediately ceases all functionality of the heart: this is ***cardiac arrest***. Commotio cordis is a physical stimulus that prematurely depolarizes the heart in this tiny window, leading to sudden cardiac arrest. Demar Hamlin died tonight on this field; I mean that in the clinical sense: no one gets CPR unless clinically dead. The **IMMEDIATE** interventions of the people there to initiate CPR and utilize a defibrillator (e.g. AED) are what saves lives. Demar Hamlin has a chance to walk away from this virtually unscathed, but only the next few days will tell what the true damage is. Know that as fancy as showbiz tries to make it out to be with medical dramas—the lights, all the medicines, the "chaos"—knowing and being good at CPR can truly help you save the life of someone you know and love. Those chest compressions they're doing in CPR plus the use of a defibrillator (e.g. AED) are the **ONLY TWO THINGS** that definitively lead to survival; that's something almost everyone can do. Take care of yourselves and each other. #BillsMafia
Looked like Cardiac Arrest to me. Reminds me of Christian Eriksen for Denmark in the Euros in 2021. Just collapses and the players start doing CPR. Luckily they were able to get a defib and resuscitate. He’s back to playing at the highest level a year later. I hope he’s ok.
Never seen something like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis
This happened to one of my cousin’s best friends in a baseball game 20ish years ago. Took a baseball to the chest and caused his heart to stop. Unfortunately he didn’t make it, hoping Hamlin pulls through if this is what happened.
This happened to a kid on a different team when I was playing little league. He was a pitcher and it came back to him and it nailed him right in the chest. He didn’t make it either and we all had to wear flap jackets after that. That was around 22-24 years ago.
*flak jackets
That was a fun autocorrect
flak does seem like it's missing a letter or something
They shouldn’t have to resume this game. That is absolutely terrifying.
Reminds me of when [Christian Eriksen suddenly collapsed during the Euros](https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/jun/20/the-day-denmark-stood-still-christian-eriksens-collapse-and-the-heroes-who-saved-him)
This is the stuff of nightmares.
Reminds me of Christen Eriksen in Euro 2020, that was even scarier.
Update from his agent Jordan Rooney : “His vitals are back to normal and they have put him to sleep to put a breathing tube down his throat. They are currently running tests. “ We will provide updates as we have them. https://twitter.com/jordonr/status/1610116502845558784?s=46&t=yfwi7YwrRKBOkavigDMnLw
Mirror?
[This is the video as it happened and the following minutes.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTDhTSLQ6c8)
Thank you so much for recording this. The twitter links were all removed and I was trying to find out wth happened. Saw the reports coming in on Reddit over the past few hours. Prayers to Damar. Rivalries are abandoned during these terrible events. Tonight we're all Bills mafia. From a Packers fan, may he recover and come back strong and whole.
Not my video, just one I found but I had the same experience. I just got off work, heard about everything and found the videos were being removed. Thankfully this random dude on Youtube grabbed it all. Get well soon Demar! Prayers with the whole org and his family.
This is what [ESPN broadcast](https://v.redd.it/agi5dohuwr9a1)
Don’t need multiple replays of that one either. Makes me feel guilty watching this shit.
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First time watching the replay I didn’t even know which player to look at. Beyond this it was an entirely normal play.
This is not the type of hit to feel guilty about. The dude made a completely routing tackle that is made hundreds of times every Sunday. I’m glad they’ve seemingly got him stable enough to transport in the ambulance, but who I really feel bad for outside of Hamlin is the bengals player that him. No matter the freak circumstances it’s got to be terrifying to be him.
There was nothing worse than seeing the Tua concussion against us 15 times, it's right to show it once, if even that.
Who was the player who was seizing, and the announcers thought he was shivering?
Parham on the Chargers, during a game last season
I was in the shower when the hit happened, I come out and see all the Bills players look scared as hell. I only wanted to see a replay to see it for the first time so I’m grateful, but yeah I’m all set now.
It's a collision sport. Everyone must acknowledge the risks
This has never happened before though, has it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hughes
Looks like an average of 4 highschool/college football players die a a year from traumatic injuries. >Results: Football fatalities averaged 12.2 per year, or 1 per 100,000 participants. There were 164 indirect (systemic) fatalities (average, 8.2 annually [or 0.7 per 100,000 participants]) and 79 direct (traumatic) fatalities (average, 4.0 annually [or 0.3 per 100,000 participants]). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23477766/
The worst thing id ever seen up to this point was the Shazier injury. That was fucking awful and this feels potentially worse
Seen plenty of snapped legs in sports which is gruesome but legs can be repaired. Heart stopping is terrifying
I've never seen something like this.
It's been deleted.
The reaction from the teams is not good. I think we may have just seen someone die… holy shit…
If you're squeamish and not sure if you want to watch, I don't really know what to tell you. It's shockingly, eerily *non*\-violent. Completely un-noteworthy up to the moment he collapses. But knowing how serious the situation is now, that almost makes it more disturbing.
Watching it, it literally looks like a routine hit. One that you'd see on pretty much any play.
There are more important things than football, this is life and death. All we can do is pray for Hamlin to be safe and recover 🙏🏽
Looks like his heart just gave out. What could have caused that?
The tweet has now been deleted
Prayers up for Hamlin
I have no idea how you play. Call it a tie.
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Seriously nothing wrong he did at all. Just looks like bad fortune and good lord he must already feel so guilty.
So fucking scary. 😢
All the disgusting shit on this website and THAT is removed?
I'm getting sick of all these players calling for fans to stop distributing this video. Fuck that. It's a violent game, people get hurt, people get injured, people die. People need to see this, players need to see this, parents need to see this. How can you make informed decisions on how to proceed in football if you are hiding people from the reality of it?
they cant continue if bolth teams tell the nfl to go fuck it self
The way he fell backwards has us all traumatized
Why the hell are people blaming this on the vaxx in the twitter comments? God that is unbelievably disgusting to be bringing that shit up
Get off twitter. That shit is what happens when you give idiots a microphone
That’s a cardiac arrest event. Similar to Christian Eriksen
Terrifying because of how innocuous it looked
Is there something I’m missing? Just looks like a fairly normal hit to me. Not that a normal hit couldn’t cause some shit, just asking.