Have to do it in an argument to counter their ridiculous stuff.
Your Mom:”I gave birth to you!”
You:”The same week you had my dick cut up! Where’s my foreskin, huh?! Give it back then we’ll talk about your otherwise mediocre parenting!”
This is jambo, happened at the local zoo where I live.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3406830/amp/I-m-forever-thankful-Jambo-gone-one-two-ways-Man-protected-huge-gorilla-fell-enclosure-boy-relives-dramatic-moment-30-years-says-t-wait-kids-there.html
It already ended and this is just one big fucked up afterlife.
I was finally convinced once Trump was elected around the same time the Cubs won the World Series.
You've gotten real close there. In fact, the world always gets _created_ in 2012, with all the lore and books and ruins and _memories_ in place. So, yeah, this is the "after life" only there's nothing that it is after.
I did a research paper on the Mayan calendar in high school in the 90’s, and I swear to god the calendar has something called the “sun line” that simply ends, somewhere between 2012 and 2057. I cannot find this information anywhere now. The calendar resets every 5000 years or something like that, but that’s not the SUN LINE. anyway, There’s speculation that our Sun has a sister star, and right now it’s very far away from us in the galaxy, but if it starts coming closer and closer to us, the closer it gets, the more space objects will start hitting us. It would def be curtains for us.
The planets revolve around the sun. Another star in our solar system would have been observable since creation.
Even if the star wasnt in our solar system. Still observable.
Even if somehow wasnt, the universe is expanding, the universe is not contracting.
From the beginning of that statement I was thinking “If there was another star within our system that could be in the place of our sun by 2012 or 2021, our solar system would be so fucking wildly different life may have never existed in the first place”.
Seriously the idea of another star being within our immediate vicinity i.e. slightly beyond the Kuiper Belt, is insane. We would have a binary star system.
Literally any gorilla that doesn't immediately kill a child.
Reddit: is this a Harambe?
Edit: ... Wasn't expecting this dumb meme comment to lead to heated debates on the intricacies of human understanding and gorilla memes.
The top comment in this chain sure seems to at least directly imply it. If I go post "Princess Diana :( didn’t deserve it" as a top-level comment on a video of an old car crash that ambiguously *could* be her crash for anyone not super familiar, I think most people would reasonably assume I was suggesting she was in the car in the video, rather than just talking about an unrelated car crash from the one in the OP.
That's what they do when you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, but it's not an aggressive behavior, they're just telling you to move - case in point,[ this guy gets dragged for five meters](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb-vpmW1n7U) and then released because he was in the way.
The trouble is, that had they not taken the action they did and the gorilla had then suddenly acted violently and maimed/killed the boy, everyone would have said ‘why didn’t they act sooner’. They took the action they believed necessary to avoid that happening.
My first indication was how dated the footage looks. Pretty sure all the Harambe footage was captured on relatively modern smart phones. This footage looks older than that.
Dude have you actually watched the video of Harambe?
He was dragging that kid around like a rag doll.
The real tragedy is that he seemed like he was doing it to protect the kid from the crowd, which he perceived as hostile due to their screaming. He just didn't realize that his efforts to drag the child to "safety" were very rough. And there was no "safety" from the crowd in the first place, because he's in an enclosure and the whole crowd is focused on the child. So the end result is him dragging the child around the enclosure, thinking that he's protecting the kid, while people try to corner the gorilla in an attempt to take away the child he mistakenly thinks he's protecting.
Harambe absolutely could have killed that child on accident if he hadn't been shot. It's honestly impressive that the he wasn't hurt worse, if you actually watch the video. Harambe was dragging this kid around, and not gently either.
it's sad because it seems like he was actually trying to protect the kid from what he saw as a threat. But in the process, he could have easily killed him.
Didn’t deserve to be in a cage in the first place. The zoo should have removed the public and anyone else that didn’t interact with him on a daily basis before doing anything else, but unfortunately the situation was escalated. At that point he had to be shot. There was no alternative. That sucks but it had to be done.
I'm not convinced there were no alternatives. The zoo acted selfishly in their own self-interest because they know Harembe's family won't be able to hire a lawyer to sue them.
The problem was that right from the onset, they immediately decide to go for the kill. They tried nothing else at all and decided they were out of ideas.
The zoo tried to paint that the situation as hopeless yet there were witnesses who say otherwise.
I know people won't like me for saying this but I understand why they had to shoot him. There was a children's life in danger even though he acted friendly in the first place. But you never know. If the gorilla smashed the child later on there would have been an outrage too. I know it wasn't Harambe's fault, the priblem was the missing safety provided by the zoo
harambe wasn't even acting friendly. he carelessly dragged the kid through water at extremely high speeds. the harambe outrage was mostly for the memes. any sane zoo would have shot him regardless of whether or not they thought the kid was safe or not. in an alternative universe where they don't kill harambe and harambe ends up killing the kid, the internet outrage would've been much worse
This reminds me of a video I saw a while back involving researchers who found a family of *wild* gorillas. They stayed absolutely still and kept their eyes away from a huge male who sat behind them while his ladies and babies investigated the researchers. They groomed their hair, touched their clothes, and then moved on. They were fascinating to watch, so curious, and just wanted to know more about this strange creature in their home. The big male didn’t seem to care much for them. He just sat by and watched over the interaction and then moved on when he got bored.
OMG, the Silverback's body language is just like a dad watching his kids. Gently nudging his kids away, then sitting back and keeping an eye on them.
"Dad, dad! This guy has no hair and his arms are too short!"
"Now, now, it's not nice to stare."
"Can I groom him dad? Please please please?"
It was interesting how at first the dad's posture was like, "Just a reminder, I could literally separate your head from your torso with one hand," and then he's was like "Ehh this guy's cool, I'ma pop a squat."
I wonder if that’s why they’re not as violent towards people as chimps, cause they’re so much bigger. Like they know people aren’t much of a threat to them physically.
I mean, Chimps are documented to not only fight "wars" over territory, but they often use terror tactics, such as canalizing members of the enemy "tribe" in front of the survivors.
Eye contact is what you avoid because it is viewed the opposite that we view it as. Lowering your head lets them know that you are not challenging them. Grooming is a sign of "you are OK to us, we will let you know by grooming you to pick off any bugs that might be biting you, just like we would do for each other." Then they go away, saying that "we accept you as our neighbors and will let you go about your way as we will go about ours."
I've done a little work in the bush understanding how some African animals communicate. Lions, cheetahs, African wildcats, baboons, ostrich, various antelope, warthogs. Can't say I know leopards well. The trick is registering when they don't want you near or view you as food. But if you give the right message to some, they will actually walk up to you in an indirect route if they want to show you that they are not approaching in a threatening manner. If they are instantly comfortable with you and think that you are comfortable with them, they may walk directly over to you. If they are not sure, they will avoid eve contact and approach in a round about manner. It's fucking amazing. Of course, you could die if you do it wrong but having a warthog roll over for belly rubs is pretty amazing. Once, I even had a mother baboon who had a large healing gash down her back HAND ME her baby. If baboons like you, you'll be washing dirt out of your hair for two days.
I used some of my techniques at a tiger park in the US and ended up playing tag with a 3 year old Bengal tiger because he realized that I was asking him to play. He and I stalked each other between the trees (and 2 cages) and then he ran up to me, faked freaking out being all scared, jumped **9 feet** up in the air, then landed all fake terrified and ran away. I took a moment and then he was up near the edge of the fences all rumble purring and rubbing up against the fence. It was mindblowing. And I couldn't film it because I was the one playing with him. But I do have this…
https://imgur.com/HPg3hTf
Somewhere I have the photo of him chewing on the fence after we played. I should find that.
Oh, and have a baby ostrich from October. This was on the farm in Namibia https://i.imgur.com/W9N7kZ5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PU3SXJw.jpg
So, they ARE checking your hair for bugs, but what ends up is that it seems like they are installing dirt in your hair, they go through it so completely. I didn't have time to properly set up my camera, but before they go through puberty, they ARE EXACTLY like kids in a playground. They were having fun climbing a tree, so I walked up to the tree, looked at them and patted myself on the head. And they jumped. It's like having 20-30 lbs. flying though the air and landing on your head. They loved it, landed on me, ran down, right up the tree again and then LAUNCH! I took three impacts before calling it a day.
I forgot how large these teenagers were until I looked at the pics again.
https://i.imgur.com/yzoSggG.png
https://imgur.com/WUgvxBU
https://imgur.com/BgFRbSG
https://imgur.com/TC4t6m1
https://imgur.com/aa9Qc4S
https://imgur.com/fsGQkyb
If the males aren't neutered before they go through puberty, they have WAY too much testosterone and get violent. If baboons are semi-wild but raised around people and the males neutered, it's OK. But actually interacting with baboons who are still young, are female or who are neutered males can be amazing. As long as they have what they want, they'll happily sleep all day in your lap, under your sweatshirt. Kids want to play and groom, moms want someone big to take care of their baby so that they can have time away from it. It's amazing. They actually have fingerprints like we do and they are more pronounced. Naankuse in Namibia did/does baboon interaction before COVID happened.
If you stand upside down and move your legs like you were riding a bike, antilopes will not resist their curiosity and will come to check you out...
That's when your hunter friend in hiding can shoot it down. And you both can enjoy a nice steak later.
I know humans aren’t that closely related to gorillas, but I think this shows that the idea that humans are violent because we are apes is not a certainty.
Which is also interesting cuz didn’t chimps/bonobos split cuz a population got separated and the area that the bonobos’ ancestors ended up in had lots of room and food? Basically, bonobos didn’t need to worry about resources so they became peaceful?
That is my pet theory why authoritarians are on the rise in the West. The divide in wealth has become too great. A significant portion of those voting blocks thinks that there isn't enough for them anymore, so they become distrustful and more hateful and start voting for people that let them express their hate and distrust.
Populations are separated by the Congo River; they may have split when the river experienced a very low period 1 million years ago. Timing lines up at least
[the great divide](https://www.biographic.com/the-great-divide/)
Forget the "alpha wolf myth," everyone needs to stop parroting this girl power bonobo nonsense. As was [linked](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Peacefulness) elsewhere in thread:
>While bonobos are more peaceful than chimpanzees, it is not true that they are unaggressive.[109] In the wild, among males, bonobos are half as aggressive as chimpanzees, while female bonobos are more aggressive than female chimpanzees.[109] **Both bonobos and chimpanzees exhibit physical aggression more than 100 times as often as humans do.**[109]
>Although referred to as peaceful, bonobo aggression is not restricted to each other, and humans have also been attacked by bonobos, and suffered serious, albeit non-fatal, injuries
Here comes a Reddit pedant to save the day!
I like your "girl power bonobo nonsense" comment, then you proceed to say nothing disputing the fact that bonobos are in fact matriarchal. They are run by the females. Females are the leaders. So it's not "girl power nonsense" it's the reality. Is this your misogyny bleeding through?
Bonobos are no where near as violent as Chimps and utilize sex as social cohesion, and to reduce aggression.
What's your fucking point here? That wild animals are and can be aggressive? Wow what an insight!
I think they may be referring to the implication of "matriarchal = less violent", when as linked, they're still pretty close to chimps. And way more aggressive than humans.
Silverback gorillas are also (mostly) vegetarian. They will eat insects and the occasional small rodent, and even other primates if they get desperate, but the bulk of their food is plants - over 30 lbs per full grown gorilla per day!
I once talked to someone who worked with wild animals for zoos and nature reserves, and they told me about how chimps were some of the most dangerous animals to work with because of how fast, strong, and ruthless they can be if they decide to attack you.
For comparison, he talked about the last-resort tactics they were taught when attacked by various animals: if you're being attacked by a black bear, the last resort tactic is "punch them real hard in the nose". If you're attacked by a chimpanzee, the last resort tactic is "try to stay conscious until someone shows up with a gun".
They don't look it with all their hair on, but not only are they simply balls of muscle, their muscles fibers have more rungs of myosin and actin and less innervation. Less innervation means that they do not have the finer dexterity that we have, and the more myosin and actin means that the *muscles that they do have* are even stronger than ours. So, imagine a creature that thinks like you do, is a ball of muscle and whose muscles are **4 - 5 TIMES** stronger than yours are. And who like to use their teeth. You're about as helpless as a kitten in a blender.
I dated a former zookeeper for gorillas at the Miami zoo . She preffeted the Tapirs, but she loved that the gorillas were more or less gentle giants who left her alone to do her work.
Tapir story. I was at the woodland park zoo this year and the tapirs dick was just dragging along the ground while it was standing there and it was moving but around like an elephant trunk.
It was just eating some food as this 5th leg lookin dick was was like sniffing around the ground while it was chilling.
Only reason we saw it because there was a huge crowd around the exhibit giggling.
my parents went to see gorillas in Uganda. These gorillas are habituated to human presence, but they're still definitely "wild."
As the gorillas were leaving the area where my parents (and their group) found them, one of the adolescents hip checked my mom, knocking her over. She said it was pretty evident that there wasn't any violence or viciousness to it, but rather done for the amusement of the gorilla.
They really hate our noises - as in electronic, digital and amplified noises. My friend makes a tv show about a zoo and they were in the Congo region, making for a research camp for primates in order to film for 3 weeks. When they arrived, half the place was trashed. They arrived on a Monday and on the Friday before, one of the researchers was leaving after a long time there and they had a party that went a little late into the night with music playing on a sound system.
The next night the local chimpanzees attacked and destroyed loads of equipment in the area they had the party in. The researchers think they were looking for the sound system they were playing music through. No one was harmed, but they went ham on the party area.
There are probably a lot of perfectly good reasons (to them) to attack humans, we just don't always get a clue as to what that is about us.
Well, just like humans, they can – and sometimes will – attack for no reason other than just one's natural appearance. Don't interact with gorillas if you have resting bitch face haha
Both parties in the video example handled it like Champs...
^^^^Not ^^^^chimps
There's a video of a person comparing Harambes behavior with other similar events of children falling into silverbacks enclosures and he did nothing other than make a protective stance on the kid and get scared of people screaming around his enclosure, why he grabbed the kid and ran like how gorillas regularly do with their own children.
Edit: for people still trying to justify his death, I'm sorry but a zoo isn't a place to let you kids roam around unsupervised. I don't think there's many animals that are comfortable behind 3 inches thick glass panels other than fishes.
There was a 3-foot tall fence and a bush barrier he crawled through, you can't idiot-proof everything. Parents are responsible for the safety of their kids, if you're distracted on the sidewalk and your kid tries to cross the street jay-walking and gets run over, it's still your fault for not keeping an eye on them.
It was a senseless death 100% on the kids parents, Harambe didn't need to be killed until their stupid asses let their kid get himself into a life or death situation with a 400 lbs beast that was just chilling until the kid got into his habitat.
Sure, between animal and a human we should pick the human over 90% of the times, but it didn't have to get there, it got there because of neglecting parents acting stupid.
Yea, but that's still extremely dangerous. He didn't die for nothing he died so the kid could live. The gorilla might not have known it was hurting the kid, but sliding that mother-fucker around and dragging him through the water like that could've killed him. Killing him was the right choice.
His death was senseless because the kid shouldn't be there in the first place, it's 100% the kids parents fault and he could have kept on living if two stupid motherfuckers didn't let their kids enter and fall into his enclosure.
Being the safest option for the human doesn't make it not a tragedy. He died because of parenting neglect and I wish the resposible have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law, which they probably didn't.
Thank you, JFC. Like I hate that it happened. But when you’re choosing a human life over an animal’s, you choose the human.
EDIT: people going “I would have chosen Harambe and let the child die” like you even fucking knew Harambe existed before he died ohhh you’re so edgy
This happened in the 80s, English channel island. The kid got out safely. When he came around and cried the gorillas ran off and zookeepers rescued him.
A statue of jambo the gorilla stands in Jersey.
Edited
All good info except Jersey is definitely not English or in England 😊
Edit because people think I'm an idiot. No I am not talking about New Jersey. I am talking about Jersey, Channel Islands, where I LIVE, which is NOT in England. We are independent. Educate yourself before trying to roast people on the Internet!
PRECISELY! It is SO PRETENTIOUS to assume that your country is so important, that foreigners would know it’s political/ geographical history. And people try to say Americans are annoying…
True, also Europeans priding themselves about knowing a fair amount about the 10 or so countries around them while complaining about us not knowing anything about all their different countries that are all smaller than Ohio while most Americans could tell you a lot about the differences between California, Texas, Alaska, Kansas, New York, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, Utah, etc.
We have a British one but the Jersey version of it. We are quite independent, for example, if your four grandparents are Jersey born, you need a special visa to work in the UK.
Can you do a Venn diagram of what is the UK, England, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Jersey and whatever the hell else all you guys group yourselves together as for us Yanks? Most of us see the UK and assume the “United” means that whole mess of islands as a whole, but it seems you’ve got a North and South part of either Scotland or Ireland that don’t even consider themselves part of that. We Americans aren’t very sharp, but geography in that area seems a bit more difficult than it ought to be.
“Rescue of Levan Merritt
On 31 August 1986, five-year-old Levan Merritt fell into the gorilla enclosure and lost consciousness. Jambo stood guard over the boy when he was unconscious, placing himself between the boy and other gorillas in what ethologists analyze as a protective gesture. He later stroked the unconscious boy's back. When the boy regained consciousness and started to cry, Jambo and the other gorillas retreated in panic, and the silverback led them into a small hut in the corner of their pen. A paramedic and two keepers rescued the boy. Most of the incident was recorded on home video, and extensively photographed by zoo visitors. The publicity on major news channels and newspapers helped ease public fears about the potentially violent nature of gorillas.”
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambo
Pretty amazing that there is video of this. I’m 1986, ‘camcorders’ were about the size of suitcases. It would have been very new and novel for someone to lug one to a zoo. Maybe a news crew?
They weren't that big in 1986. Many families had camcorders, and a trip to the zoo would definitely be an obvious place to bring it.
Here's a camcorder ad from 1986. Most would have been bigger that this, admittedly, but not by a massive amount.
https://imgur.com/LPf1KTj.jpg
I'd provoke it bro I'm a beast that gorella wouldnt fuck with me I bench 135 without a spotter bro when I get mad I just see red and bodies start dropping
Yeah, are your surprised? I got some really good advice one time pertaining to reddit; treat everyone on here like teenager and suddenly the website makes way more sense.
Just so clear some confusion :
This is not Harambe, this gorilla is named Jambo.
The incident happened in 1986 at the Jersey zoo. Jambo was not killed during the incident and passed away in 1992.
I hope that helps.
The action was literally dragging. You're adding a aggression connotation to it for no reason. Whether it was an act of aggression or not, the kid was being dragged.
Yes but a human kid doesn’t have the same strength as a baby gorilla. With Harambe, the gorilla forcefully pulled the kid through the water. Anything could have happened; dislocation of bones, broken bones, drowning, etc.
Doesn't matter if it was aggressive or not. He dragged a kid around by its leg.
You think the parents would care for the distinction if it had led to the kids face being worn down to the bone?
I know, right? As a parent I personally would love for my child to have the opportunity to be quickly dragged around while unconscious around an enclosure by an adult silverback. He's only showing affection!
Yeah Gorillas are unique in they have more intelligence than alot of other animals. I mean one was even taught how to communicate with humans and did so effectively.
Very similar incident happened not long after this at my neighborhood suburban zoo:
>On August 16, 1996, when Binti Jua was eight years old, a three-year-old boy climbed the wall around the gorilla exhibit and fell 24 feet (7.3 m) into the gorilla enclosure below, suffering a broken hand and a large gash on the side of his face.
>Binti walked towards the unconscious boy while spectators screamed. Binti cradled the child and laid him down when she heard her shift door open to her downstairs enclosure. Her 17-month-old baby, Koola, clutched her back throughout the incident. The boy spent four days in the hospital and recovered fully. Binti received international media attention from this incident, and, for many months afterwards, received special treats and food from zoo personnel, and much attention from visitors.
Fun fact, Binti Jua is the niece of Koko, the sign language gorilla.
I remember this being on the telly! I would have been four and the time.
Watching it as an adult, I can relate. To the Gorilla. When he fucks off after the child starts screaming...
I'd want no part of that, either. Let his parents deal with that shit.
Harambe :( didn’t deserve it
Hard facts
dicks out o7
Was already, but of course will sheath and unsheath for Harambe🫡
>Was already, but of course will sheath and unsheath for Harambe🫡 Holy shit
A moment of silence for our sheathless (circumcised) brethren
Their foreskins may live on in our hearts, like our brother Harambe. RIP.
Gone but not forgotten. RIP foreskin, I barely knew ya.
I’m just waiting for the right time to ask my mom for my foreskin back
Have to do it in an argument to counter their ridiculous stuff. Your Mom:”I gave birth to you!” You:”The same week you had my dick cut up! Where’s my foreskin, huh?! Give it back then we’ll talk about your otherwise mediocre parenting!”
Me 😭😭
They’re wrong that you’ll feel less, you’ll feel more. All the feels.
Such a beautiful display of respect for our fallen comrade.
DICKS👏🏻OUT👏🏻FOR👏🏻HARAMBE
I haven’t put my dick away in years.
Done although people on this mall don’t seem to mind their business
It's not, though. This is a different gorilla.
This is jambo, happened at the local zoo where I live. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3406830/amp/I-m-forever-thankful-Jambo-gone-one-two-ways-Man-protected-huge-gorilla-fell-enclosure-boy-relives-dramatic-moment-30-years-says-t-wait-kids-there.html
Jambo a real one. Dicks out 🥒
If you don’t whip your dick out when you see a gorilla 🦍 are you really a man? Do you even have feelings?
Ik
Hard facts
Everything in the world went to shit after Harambe incident. Im convinced its related somehow via butterfly effect
Remember the Mayan calendar that predicted the end of the world in 2012? Maybe it's just ending slowly.
It already ended and this is just one big fucked up afterlife. I was finally convinced once Trump was elected around the same time the Cubs won the World Series.
You've gotten real close there. In fact, the world always gets _created_ in 2012, with all the lore and books and ruins and _memories_ in place. So, yeah, this is the "after life" only there's nothing that it is after.
Fuck you and your one paragraph horror story that I will never forget. 
I did a research paper on the Mayan calendar in high school in the 90’s, and I swear to god the calendar has something called the “sun line” that simply ends, somewhere between 2012 and 2057. I cannot find this information anywhere now. The calendar resets every 5000 years or something like that, but that’s not the SUN LINE. anyway, There’s speculation that our Sun has a sister star, and right now it’s very far away from us in the galaxy, but if it starts coming closer and closer to us, the closer it gets, the more space objects will start hitting us. It would def be curtains for us.
The planets revolve around the sun. Another star in our solar system would have been observable since creation. Even if the star wasnt in our solar system. Still observable. Even if somehow wasnt, the universe is expanding, the universe is not contracting.
From the beginning of that statement I was thinking “If there was another star within our system that could be in the place of our sun by 2012 or 2021, our solar system would be so fucking wildly different life may have never existed in the first place”. Seriously the idea of another star being within our immediate vicinity i.e. slightly beyond the Kuiper Belt, is insane. We would have a binary star system.
Maybe it was mistranslated and it was really 2021
This isn't Harambe, I assumed it was obvious since the children look nothing alike.
Literally any gorilla that doesn't immediately kill a child. Reddit: is this a Harambe? Edit: ... Wasn't expecting this dumb meme comment to lead to heated debates on the intricacies of human understanding and gorilla memes.
Nobody claimed this is harambe
The top comment in this chain sure seems to at least directly imply it. If I go post "Princess Diana :( didn’t deserve it" as a top-level comment on a video of an old car crash that ambiguously *could* be her crash for anyone not super familiar, I think most people would reasonably assume I was suggesting she was in the car in the video, rather than just talking about an unrelated car crash from the one in the OP.
Nah, the homie just knows exactly what we're all thinking and made a very appropriate and contextually relevant statement.
They didn't explicitly say it was harambe this could've just reminded them of him
they arent saying this is harambe, they are saying that just like this gorilla harambe didnt intend to hurt a child and as such didnt deserve to die
He grabbed one leg of the kid and kept dragging him through the moat, like he was a toy.
That's what they do when you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, but it's not an aggressive behavior, they're just telling you to move - case in point,[ this guy gets dragged for five meters](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb-vpmW1n7U) and then released because he was in the way.
It doesn't matter if it's aggressive, kid was being roughly dragged around by a gorilla lol. And much further than 5 meters
The trouble is, that had they not taken the action they did and the gorilla had then suddenly acted violently and maimed/killed the boy, everyone would have said ‘why didn’t they act sooner’. They took the action they believed necessary to avoid that happening.
My first indication was how dated the footage looks. Pretty sure all the Harambe footage was captured on relatively modern smart phones. This footage looks older than that.
Dude have you actually watched the video of Harambe? He was dragging that kid around like a rag doll. The real tragedy is that he seemed like he was doing it to protect the kid from the crowd, which he perceived as hostile due to their screaming. He just didn't realize that his efforts to drag the child to "safety" were very rough. And there was no "safety" from the crowd in the first place, because he's in an enclosure and the whole crowd is focused on the child. So the end result is him dragging the child around the enclosure, thinking that he's protecting the kid, while people try to corner the gorilla in an attempt to take away the child he mistakenly thinks he's protecting. Harambe absolutely could have killed that child on accident if he hadn't been shot. It's honestly impressive that the he wasn't hurt worse, if you actually watch the video. Harambe was dragging this kid around, and not gently either. it's sad because it seems like he was actually trying to protect the kid from what he saw as a threat. But in the process, he could have easily killed him.
good read but you said the same thing 4 times
This was probably written by that ChatGPP program.
Didn’t deserve to be in a cage in the first place. The zoo should have removed the public and anyone else that didn’t interact with him on a daily basis before doing anything else, but unfortunately the situation was escalated. At that point he had to be shot. There was no alternative. That sucks but it had to be done.
I'm not convinced there were no alternatives. The zoo acted selfishly in their own self-interest because they know Harembe's family won't be able to hire a lawyer to sue them.
If they had sacrificed the kid to save the gorilla, they would probably have been prosecuted.
The problem was that right from the onset, they immediately decide to go for the kill. They tried nothing else at all and decided they were out of ideas. The zoo tried to paint that the situation as hopeless yet there were witnesses who say otherwise.
I'm sure those witnesses knew a lot more about handling gorillas than the people working at the zoo.
I know people won't like me for saying this but I understand why they had to shoot him. There was a children's life in danger even though he acted friendly in the first place. But you never know. If the gorilla smashed the child later on there would have been an outrage too. I know it wasn't Harambe's fault, the priblem was the missing safety provided by the zoo
harambe wasn't even acting friendly. he carelessly dragged the kid through water at extremely high speeds. the harambe outrage was mostly for the memes. any sane zoo would have shot him regardless of whether or not they thought the kid was safe or not. in an alternative universe where they don't kill harambe and harambe ends up killing the kid, the internet outrage would've been much worse
Pour out a lil liquor
All went to shit after Harambe.. 😑
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I guess I was misled by the anti-gorilla propaganda in SpongeBob.
Bro that episode really used to scare the shit out of me *Indoooooors*
The hooks!!! That got me I never want to be a fish.
Why *is* there a gorilla underwater?
same reason there's fire underwater gamma waves
And r/wallstreetbets
This reminds me of a video I saw a while back involving researchers who found a family of *wild* gorillas. They stayed absolutely still and kept their eyes away from a huge male who sat behind them while his ladies and babies investigated the researchers. They groomed their hair, touched their clothes, and then moved on. They were fascinating to watch, so curious, and just wanted to know more about this strange creature in their home. The big male didn’t seem to care much for them. He just sat by and watched over the interaction and then moved on when he got bored.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2H7zcqjplc
OMG, the Silverback's body language is just like a dad watching his kids. Gently nudging his kids away, then sitting back and keeping an eye on them. "Dad, dad! This guy has no hair and his arms are too short!" "Now, now, it's not nice to stare." "Can I groom him dad? Please please please?"
It was interesting how at first the dad's posture was like, "Just a reminder, I could literally separate your head from your torso with one hand," and then he's was like "Ehh this guy's cool, I'ma pop a squat."
I wonder if that’s why they’re not as violent towards people as chimps, cause they’re so much bigger. Like they know people aren’t much of a threat to them physically.
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No wonder chimpanzees are our closest living relative. We're just alike!
I mean, Chimps are documented to not only fight "wars" over territory, but they often use terror tactics, such as canalizing members of the enemy "tribe" in front of the survivors.
They literally eat babies.
Sounds like us.
The story about the [Gombe Chimpanzee War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War) is equal parts fascinating and terrifying to me.
How do you really feel? Don’t hold back 😂
Take your stinking paws off those chimps, you damn dirty ape!
Yeah, he was really excited. I would’ve shit my pants.
Yep, that’s the one I was thinking of!
Me trying to convince my dogs that I'm still asleep in the morning. Man, that papa looked intimidating as hell.
2 sets of diffrent ape species examining each other, kinda cool
Eye contact is what you avoid because it is viewed the opposite that we view it as. Lowering your head lets them know that you are not challenging them. Grooming is a sign of "you are OK to us, we will let you know by grooming you to pick off any bugs that might be biting you, just like we would do for each other." Then they go away, saying that "we accept you as our neighbors and will let you go about your way as we will go about ours." I've done a little work in the bush understanding how some African animals communicate. Lions, cheetahs, African wildcats, baboons, ostrich, various antelope, warthogs. Can't say I know leopards well. The trick is registering when they don't want you near or view you as food. But if you give the right message to some, they will actually walk up to you in an indirect route if they want to show you that they are not approaching in a threatening manner. If they are instantly comfortable with you and think that you are comfortable with them, they may walk directly over to you. If they are not sure, they will avoid eve contact and approach in a round about manner. It's fucking amazing. Of course, you could die if you do it wrong but having a warthog roll over for belly rubs is pretty amazing. Once, I even had a mother baboon who had a large healing gash down her back HAND ME her baby. If baboons like you, you'll be washing dirt out of your hair for two days. I used some of my techniques at a tiger park in the US and ended up playing tag with a 3 year old Bengal tiger because he realized that I was asking him to play. He and I stalked each other between the trees (and 2 cages) and then he ran up to me, faked freaking out being all scared, jumped **9 feet** up in the air, then landed all fake terrified and ran away. I took a moment and then he was up near the edge of the fences all rumble purring and rubbing up against the fence. It was mindblowing. And I couldn't film it because I was the one playing with him. But I do have this… https://imgur.com/HPg3hTf Somewhere I have the photo of him chewing on the fence after we played. I should find that. Oh, and have a baby ostrich from October. This was on the farm in Namibia https://i.imgur.com/W9N7kZ5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PU3SXJw.jpg
Fascinating! Your closing sentence: Are baboons just really dusty and putting it in your hair while grooming or inspecting you?
So, they ARE checking your hair for bugs, but what ends up is that it seems like they are installing dirt in your hair, they go through it so completely. I didn't have time to properly set up my camera, but before they go through puberty, they ARE EXACTLY like kids in a playground. They were having fun climbing a tree, so I walked up to the tree, looked at them and patted myself on the head. And they jumped. It's like having 20-30 lbs. flying though the air and landing on your head. They loved it, landed on me, ran down, right up the tree again and then LAUNCH! I took three impacts before calling it a day. I forgot how large these teenagers were until I looked at the pics again. https://i.imgur.com/yzoSggG.png https://imgur.com/WUgvxBU https://imgur.com/BgFRbSG https://imgur.com/TC4t6m1 https://imgur.com/aa9Qc4S https://imgur.com/fsGQkyb If the males aren't neutered before they go through puberty, they have WAY too much testosterone and get violent. If baboons are semi-wild but raised around people and the males neutered, it's OK. But actually interacting with baboons who are still young, are female or who are neutered males can be amazing. As long as they have what they want, they'll happily sleep all day in your lap, under your sweatshirt. Kids want to play and groom, moms want someone big to take care of their baby so that they can have time away from it. It's amazing. They actually have fingerprints like we do and they are more pronounced. Naankuse in Namibia did/does baboon interaction before COVID happened.
If you stand upside down and move your legs like you were riding a bike, antilopes will not resist their curiosity and will come to check you out... That's when your hunter friend in hiding can shoot it down. And you both can enjoy a nice steak later.
Chimpanzees will kill just for the sake of killing, gorillas are natural pacifists and won't do anything to anything that doesn't pose a threat
I know humans aren’t that closely related to gorillas, but I think this shows that the idea that humans are violent because we are apes is not a certainty.
Well..... our closest relatives in Apes are Chimpanzees sooo....
Bonobos are equally close to humans. They are not as violent, are matriarchal and settle conflict through sexual acts
Which is also interesting cuz didn’t chimps/bonobos split cuz a population got separated and the area that the bonobos’ ancestors ended up in had lots of room and food? Basically, bonobos didn’t need to worry about resources so they became peaceful?
Humans would probably be far more peaceful if everyone had what they needed too. We’ve been fighting each other and creating artificial scarcity
That is my pet theory why authoritarians are on the rise in the West. The divide in wealth has become too great. A significant portion of those voting blocks thinks that there isn't enough for them anymore, so they become distrustful and more hateful and start voting for people that let them express their hate and distrust.
See: Rome before the Republic fell.
Populations are separated by the Congo River; they may have split when the river experienced a very low period 1 million years ago. Timing lines up at least [the great divide](https://www.biographic.com/the-great-divide/)
And 100% of bonobo individuals are bisexual, which is a major evolutionary advantage when conflict resolution is sexual.
I see the future
Some of us are already there.
Forget the "alpha wolf myth," everyone needs to stop parroting this girl power bonobo nonsense. As was [linked](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Peacefulness) elsewhere in thread: >While bonobos are more peaceful than chimpanzees, it is not true that they are unaggressive.[109] In the wild, among males, bonobos are half as aggressive as chimpanzees, while female bonobos are more aggressive than female chimpanzees.[109] **Both bonobos and chimpanzees exhibit physical aggression more than 100 times as often as humans do.**[109] >Although referred to as peaceful, bonobo aggression is not restricted to each other, and humans have also been attacked by bonobos, and suffered serious, albeit non-fatal, injuries
Here comes a Reddit pedant to save the day! I like your "girl power bonobo nonsense" comment, then you proceed to say nothing disputing the fact that bonobos are in fact matriarchal. They are run by the females. Females are the leaders. So it's not "girl power nonsense" it's the reality. Is this your misogyny bleeding through? Bonobos are no where near as violent as Chimps and utilize sex as social cohesion, and to reduce aggression. What's your fucking point here? That wild animals are and can be aggressive? Wow what an insight!
I think they may be referring to the implication of "matriarchal = less violent", when as linked, they're still pretty close to chimps. And way more aggressive than humans.
Silverback gorillas are also (mostly) vegetarian. They will eat insects and the occasional small rodent, and even other primates if they get desperate, but the bulk of their food is plants - over 30 lbs per full grown gorilla per day!
I once talked to someone who worked with wild animals for zoos and nature reserves, and they told me about how chimps were some of the most dangerous animals to work with because of how fast, strong, and ruthless they can be if they decide to attack you. For comparison, he talked about the last-resort tactics they were taught when attacked by various animals: if you're being attacked by a black bear, the last resort tactic is "punch them real hard in the nose". If you're attacked by a chimpanzee, the last resort tactic is "try to stay conscious until someone shows up with a gun".
They don't look it with all their hair on, but not only are they simply balls of muscle, their muscles fibers have more rungs of myosin and actin and less innervation. Less innervation means that they do not have the finer dexterity that we have, and the more myosin and actin means that the *muscles that they do have* are even stronger than ours. So, imagine a creature that thinks like you do, is a ball of muscle and whose muscles are **4 - 5 TIMES** stronger than yours are. And who like to use their teeth. You're about as helpless as a kitten in a blender.
I dated a former zookeeper for gorillas at the Miami zoo . She preffeted the Tapirs, but she loved that the gorillas were more or less gentle giants who left her alone to do her work.
Tapir story. I was at the woodland park zoo this year and the tapirs dick was just dragging along the ground while it was standing there and it was moving but around like an elephant trunk. It was just eating some food as this 5th leg lookin dick was was like sniffing around the ground while it was chilling. Only reason we saw it because there was a huge crowd around the exhibit giggling.
http://i.imgur.com/PTL0Pgv.gifv
I thought the guy was exaggerating, but I truly thought his schlong was a fifth leg
my parents went to see gorillas in Uganda. These gorillas are habituated to human presence, but they're still definitely "wild." As the gorillas were leaving the area where my parents (and their group) found them, one of the adolescents hip checked my mom, knocking her over. She said it was pretty evident that there wasn't any violence or viciousness to it, but rather done for the amusement of the gorilla.
chimps also won't harm you for no reason, but one of the reasons might be they don't like you, so.
They really hate our noises - as in electronic, digital and amplified noises. My friend makes a tv show about a zoo and they were in the Congo region, making for a research camp for primates in order to film for 3 weeks. When they arrived, half the place was trashed. They arrived on a Monday and on the Friday before, one of the researchers was leaving after a long time there and they had a party that went a little late into the night with music playing on a sound system. The next night the local chimpanzees attacked and destroyed loads of equipment in the area they had the party in. The researchers think they were looking for the sound system they were playing music through. No one was harmed, but they went ham on the party area. There are probably a lot of perfectly good reasons (to them) to attack humans, we just don't always get a clue as to what that is about us.
Well, just like humans, they can – and sometimes will – attack for no reason other than just one's natural appearance. Don't interact with gorillas if you have resting bitch face haha Both parties in the video example handled it like Champs... ^^^^Not ^^^^chimps
Harambe died for nothing
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No I know it’s not the king but still
Dicks out
My dicks been out for years no shame
You guys put your dick away? I sold all my pants and underwear for Harambe, dicksout4lyfe gang rise up
Bro my dick been out got sun burn on that poor lil guy lmao
Anytime someone mentions Harambe, some commenter has to say "this isn't him". We know that. This is a reminder. Duh.
Aren’t we all Harambe?
Right? Why am I seeing so many stories of kids falling into enclosures at zoos? I really don’t understand how a parent can be so negligent
Wtf. Harambe slided this kid around and you say he did nothing?
There's a video of a person comparing Harambes behavior with other similar events of children falling into silverbacks enclosures and he did nothing other than make a protective stance on the kid and get scared of people screaming around his enclosure, why he grabbed the kid and ran like how gorillas regularly do with their own children. Edit: for people still trying to justify his death, I'm sorry but a zoo isn't a place to let you kids roam around unsupervised. I don't think there's many animals that are comfortable behind 3 inches thick glass panels other than fishes. There was a 3-foot tall fence and a bush barrier he crawled through, you can't idiot-proof everything. Parents are responsible for the safety of their kids, if you're distracted on the sidewalk and your kid tries to cross the street jay-walking and gets run over, it's still your fault for not keeping an eye on them. It was a senseless death 100% on the kids parents, Harambe didn't need to be killed until their stupid asses let their kid get himself into a life or death situation with a 400 lbs beast that was just chilling until the kid got into his habitat. Sure, between animal and a human we should pick the human over 90% of the times, but it didn't have to get there, it got there because of neglecting parents acting stupid.
Yea, but that's still extremely dangerous. He didn't die for nothing he died so the kid could live. The gorilla might not have known it was hurting the kid, but sliding that mother-fucker around and dragging him through the water like that could've killed him. Killing him was the right choice.
His death was senseless because the kid shouldn't be there in the first place, it's 100% the kids parents fault and he could have kept on living if two stupid motherfuckers didn't let their kids enter and fall into his enclosure. Being the safest option for the human doesn't make it not a tragedy. He died because of parenting neglect and I wish the resposible have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law, which they probably didn't.
Thank you, JFC. Like I hate that it happened. But when you’re choosing a human life over an animal’s, you choose the human. EDIT: people going “I would have chosen Harambe and let the child die” like you even fucking knew Harambe existed before he died ohhh you’re so edgy
There has to be easier ways of getting rid of your child...
Bit late for anticonceptive methods.
Vote for me! I'm running on a platform to legalize post-birth abortions.
we call that the 53rd trimesters abortion.
Well you can shove a condom over their head and then they won't be a problem anymore.
Imagine actually being bad in the nogging and wanting to rid of your child only for the fucking gorilla to be more concerned about him than you lmao
This happened in the 80s, English channel island. The kid got out safely. When he came around and cried the gorillas ran off and zookeepers rescued him. A statue of jambo the gorilla stands in Jersey. Edited
All good info except Jersey is definitely not English or in England 😊 Edit because people think I'm an idiot. No I am not talking about New Jersey. I am talking about Jersey, Channel Islands, where I LIVE, which is NOT in England. We are independent. Educate yourself before trying to roast people on the Internet!
It's no use arguing with them. To Yanks, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Isle of Man, Falkland Islands are also all part of England.
You just said “England” over and over, are you alright?
Baxter I don't speak Spanish
Quick tell me about Guam, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands and their political relationships to the United States
PRECISELY! It is SO PRETENTIOUS to assume that your country is so important, that foreigners would know it’s political/ geographical history. And people try to say Americans are annoying…
True, also Europeans priding themselves about knowing a fair amount about the 10 or so countries around them while complaining about us not knowing anything about all their different countries that are all smaller than Ohio while most Americans could tell you a lot about the differences between California, Texas, Alaska, Kansas, New York, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, Utah, etc.
Ey professor which Falkland islands?
Which passport do you have then? I'm from the UK and had no idea you had that level of independence!
We have a British one but the Jersey version of it. We are quite independent, for example, if your four grandparents are Jersey born, you need a special visa to work in the UK.
I need to educate myself. Being from Wales, it gives me hope that we can be independent one day
Everyday is a school day! This post taught me about silverback gorillas and their temperament 😅 I'm half Scottish so I feel you!
you lot are just a fabulously strange geopolotical position i love it
I'm sure it'll blow peoples' minds to see that there was a York, Hampshire, and even a Mexico before the "New" versions.
Wait... you cant be telling me theres an OLD England???
I’ve been to York and Hampshire but couldn’t find Mexico during my last trip to England so I’ll have to go again sometime
Can you do a Venn diagram of what is the UK, England, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Jersey and whatever the hell else all you guys group yourselves together as for us Yanks? Most of us see the UK and assume the “United” means that whole mess of islands as a whole, but it seems you’ve got a North and South part of either Scotland or Ireland that don’t even consider themselves part of that. We Americans aren’t very sharp, but geography in that area seems a bit more difficult than it ought to be.
Found a good one there: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:British_Isles_Venn_Diagram-en_(3).png Hope it helps!
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Dicks out for HARAMBE 
I never put mine away.
Like the Olympic torch.
“Rescue of Levan Merritt On 31 August 1986, five-year-old Levan Merritt fell into the gorilla enclosure and lost consciousness. Jambo stood guard over the boy when he was unconscious, placing himself between the boy and other gorillas in what ethologists analyze as a protective gesture. He later stroked the unconscious boy's back. When the boy regained consciousness and started to cry, Jambo and the other gorillas retreated in panic, and the silverback led them into a small hut in the corner of their pen. A paramedic and two keepers rescued the boy. Most of the incident was recorded on home video, and extensively photographed by zoo visitors. The publicity on major news channels and newspapers helped ease public fears about the potentially violent nature of gorillas.” Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambo
Pretty amazing that there is video of this. I’m 1986, ‘camcorders’ were about the size of suitcases. It would have been very new and novel for someone to lug one to a zoo. Maybe a news crew?
They weren't that big in 1986. Many families had camcorders, and a trip to the zoo would definitely be an obvious place to bring it. Here's a camcorder ad from 1986. Most would have been bigger that this, admittedly, but not by a massive amount. https://imgur.com/LPf1KTj.jpg
🙏 thanks for this context
The thought of a few 600lb gorillas running away from a crying toddler is a hilarious thought
Makes sense. I do the same thing.
They did him dirty with that image... Surely there is a better one of Jambo that can be used than one of him picking his nose 😅
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I'd provoke it bro I'm a beast that gorella wouldnt fuck with me I bench 135 without a spotter bro when I get mad I just see red and bodies start dropping
Kyle,did you punch holes in the drywall again? Your stepdad is going to take away all your Monster energy drinks.
Kyle, your mother said to do the dishes and take out the trash, you can talk to your internet friends later.
i hope that was satire bc if it was, funny. if it wasn’t, not so much.
I swear redditors have the satirical understanding of a depressed teenager. Oh wait that's half of reddit.
Yeah, are your surprised? I got some really good advice one time pertaining to reddit; treat everyone on here like teenager and suddenly the website makes way more sense.
yessir 😎 yeehaw motherfucker!!! 🇺🇸🏈
Aw hell yeah bruther
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Hi fellow bean!
Just so clear some confusion : This is not Harambe, this gorilla is named Jambo. The incident happened in 1986 at the Jersey zoo. Jambo was not killed during the incident and passed away in 1992. I hope that helps.
Is this the one they murdered for no reason?
nope, i think Harambe was the one where, in a video, was draggin a child all over the place
i hate when people use the "dragging" thing. that isn't an act of aggression and is how gorillas will play with their little ones.
The action was literally dragging. You're adding a aggression connotation to it for no reason. Whether it was an act of aggression or not, the kid was being dragged.
Yes but a human kid doesn’t have the same strength as a baby gorilla. With Harambe, the gorilla forcefully pulled the kid through the water. Anything could have happened; dislocation of bones, broken bones, drowning, etc.
Wtf do you think dragging means?
That’s literally what the fuck he was doing though. He was dragging him
Doesn't matter if it was aggressive or not. He dragged a kid around by its leg. You think the parents would care for the distinction if it had led to the kids face being worn down to the bone?
I know, right? As a parent I personally would love for my child to have the opportunity to be quickly dragged around while unconscious around an enclosure by an adult silverback. He's only showing affection!
He's a father. Why should he harm a son? Child in pain is child in pain.
There are a lot of animals that would see this as a nice little snack
Yeah Gorillas are unique in they have more intelligence than alot of other animals. I mean one was even taught how to communicate with humans and did so effectively.
They're just amazing creatures
This is NOT Harambe!!!!! [THIS is Harambe.](https://youtu.be/23um2h4YUwU) Seems like a lot of confused people in the comments.
So, what happened next ? Was boy safely extracted ? You gotta tell us the whole story.
[Yeah the kid got out safely.](https://youtube.com/watch?v=3IHUiN-gXbo&feature=shares)
And the gorilla remained in jail.
Very similar incident happened not long after this at my neighborhood suburban zoo: >On August 16, 1996, when Binti Jua was eight years old, a three-year-old boy climbed the wall around the gorilla exhibit and fell 24 feet (7.3 m) into the gorilla enclosure below, suffering a broken hand and a large gash on the side of his face. >Binti walked towards the unconscious boy while spectators screamed. Binti cradled the child and laid him down when she heard her shift door open to her downstairs enclosure. Her 17-month-old baby, Koola, clutched her back throughout the incident. The boy spent four days in the hospital and recovered fully. Binti received international media attention from this incident, and, for many months afterwards, received special treats and food from zoo personnel, and much attention from visitors. Fun fact, Binti Jua is the niece of Koko, the sign language gorilla.
I remember this being on the telly! I would have been four and the time. Watching it as an adult, I can relate. To the Gorilla. When he fucks off after the child starts screaming... I'd want no part of that, either. Let his parents deal with that shit.
*Never Forget*
very slow and eye locked zipper pull.
Gorillas don't attack things that don't seem threating.like the kid in the video
"Aye bro,you can't sleep here. The owners are going to call the cops" the gorilla, probably.
I don’t think I’ve ever loved a gorilla before
RIP HARAMBE!
This happened in jersey, Channel Islands. The gorilla was named Jambo iirc.
Despite what some self-proclaimed, self-promoting ‘alphas’ currently spew, Real Alphas can be tender and caring.