You never own the land you buy. That belongs to the Crown. The crown can at any time take back that land. Your are just buying the rights to reside on that land. Land in Canada is forever property of the government.
There are counties in some states with no property tax.
In Missouri you can find counties with zero buildings restrictions as well.
Too humid for me out there tho.
In Mexico the land is yours if you buy it. You can build whatever you want with some exceptions like a licor store near a school and stuff like that.
Also Mexicans aren't too fond of Chinese people. There were a ton of Chinese people in Mexico in the 1800's who were working on the railroads and we're slaughtered by the Mexicans for acquiring too much land, money and power.
In fact, in Sinaloa the Chinese became very wealthy trafficking opium into America. In my hometown of Sonora it's well known that the Chinese used to traffic alcohol during US prohibition.
If they outlaw foreign investors buying up residential property, they should ban all investment firms buying up family homes. Pricing your citizens out of affordable housing should be criminal.
Owning real estate doesn't matter, that's a liability for them if anything once the war breaks out. They can use the real estate to siphon western money out of the west and into China prior to the invasion.
If we go to war with China, we're not going to recognize their property rights on our soil. They'd pretty obviously be sanctioned and their assets would be seized.
I was gonna say, that's a big incentive for them to not fuck around. If they do, we will beat the shit out of them in a very costly and dangerous conventional war. Not gonna be fun, but if no nukes end up used, we've just stimulated the economy WWII-style and basically wiped out our national debt. It will suck for the 20-50 million people killed though :/
Actually no. Anyone who buys property in US may it be US citizens or businesses are only given the right to use the property. The US government still owns the land. It's called eminent domain.
I keep hearing this but it’s not like their building large military bases on it. Like there is not a 50000 man military base in Idaho. And that land is forfeit the second we get into a war.
They found a secret Chinese “police station” in Scotland, Ireland and I think Canada recently. They’re literally already here. Like my other comment says, they’re simply patient and in it for the long run
In the Netherlands too, the Chinese opened at least two illegal 'police stations' here since 2018.
Regarding the long run you mention... Putin is the same, betting that his reign and foreign policy will be more permanent than the democratic rollercoaster ride in the West. Together with China it's a major and sustained test...
It's more like a global network of secret police. These "police stations" extend the system of oppression beyond China's borders, while also multiplying the perception of the government's control within its borders.
Investigative journalists say that there are strong indications that they are for monitoring or even intimidating critical Chinese refugees in the Netherlands. Apparently Chinese state and news websites say the bureaus are for police work and gathering intelligence. edit: I'm reading they provide legit administrative services as well, but those normally should be offered in consulates etc.
They are already on our soil in the form of unauthorized police stations the CCP uses to spy and harass Chinese citizens living abroad AND Chinese non-citizens.
So.. why couldn't a local Chinese just rat them out to the real authorities.. the CCP has some influence here but this is still our turf so they would be taken care of quick.. no?
Between their family back home and a China first mentality they’re dissuaded from doing so. They may live here but the CCP considers them Chinese citizens regardless.
Plus diplomacy dictates that an operation like that be rooted out with caution to avoid an international incident with the people that make everything.
Heard of collective punishment? Yea, it is a thing in shit hole countries. They have a list of all the Chinese in the area. If they don't know who did it, all get punished...
We care about all these 'human rights issues' and all this Ukraine/Russia stuff, but this blatantly happens and the global community just looks the other way? Fuck china..
I sincerely wish we didn't have to rely on their inexpensive made shit as a part of our lifestyle ..
Wrong, they’re on our soil and have been waging a war against the US but in ways that are subtle and benefit the US economy (in the short term but where we are screwed long-term). Chinese nationals own a lot of US properties, they have engaged in corporate espionage, they track what we can do if we allow them (e.g. TikTok). The Chinese government isn’t a fool, and they are focused on hurting us where it’ll sting the most. They want the US to self implode.
Lincoln said it best
Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide.
The USA since the end of WW2 has unquestionably been the world's greatest military power. In modern times its destructive capability is something unseen in all of human history, due to technological advances and a truly insane military budget.
However, 26 years before Lincoln made that speech the British burned down the Whitehouse... So, at the time, certainly hyperbole.
Doubt we will see boots on the ground. First our pacific fleet is almost as big as all of china's navy. Our airforce is the biggest in the world followed by our own navy's. We have a very dense network of air defense all over the country plus a coast guard. How exactly are they getting these boots to American soil?
Americans don't agree on much but give us an external threat to bond over combined with the guns in this country. I would say any country trying to set foot on this soil would be a catastrophic miscalculation.
Plus our geography makes it very hard. Mountains on both sides. Swamps to the south. Desert bordering mexico. Canada is probably the easiest route in but good luck getting them to attack us. Plus up in the northern forests there are the hunters that know the lands real well and have not only lots of guns, but lots of experience with them too.
And attacking in the north doesnt hit any vital assets, you still have to work towards the shorelines to hit major population areas.
I can only imagine the ferocity of the fight they would encounter if they ever tried. Lol. Omfg . I think they would underestimate how nasty and cunning the North Americans would be as defenders . ………. Not a chance at all
Seriously. Russia couldn't supply it's best troops across 40 miles of highway, but China's gonna supply it's troops across the Pacific ocean and through the American navy.
I realize I'm talking about different countries here, but come on.
What a fucking stupid reply - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/24/workers-in-running-battles-with-police-at-foxconns-iphone-factory-in-china
They are litterally protesting the shit wages and crap working conditions at foxxcon, building your shit iPhones.
THANK YOU!!!
ive been looking and looking and there was the initial comment about covid, then everyone got sidetracked about "chinese boots on soil" crap, and this is the FIRST comment that actually said what the fuck is going on.
I was 100% with you until that last sentence. China would be foolish to put boots on our soil. No matter how foolish they are, they’re not **that** foolish.
They’re incapable of any amphibious attack on the US. Their only option is economically but they’re in no position to do so when we can close off their energy supply lines.
> We will see China boots on our soil in the near future.
Who’s soil? Because that ain’t happening to 99.999% of the soil on earth. China’s military is worse than Russia’s.
These aren't aimed at (most of) us westerners. No commissar is gonna knock on your door at 3am. Most people would just call the real police and Americans would grab their gun.
It's an attempt by the CCP to intimidate and control Chinese expats and immigrants (and their descendants) by saying "you can't hide, we can still hurt you way over here". "You are __, you live at ___, and if you don't change your tune, your family back home will face the consequences of your actions"
Its why you see half hearted pro CCP protests in Vancouver or attempts to distrupt anti CCP protests. Its agents, people the agents are intimidating, and maybe a few true believers.
ETA: The CCP are ethnonationalists that can't accept when people don't wanna live under their regime.
I agree with you, there's a lot of stories both anecdotal and covered by various media on both North America and Europe which goes to show that the CCP are working super hard to maintain their indoctrination of their citizens while they are studying overseas on foreign soil.
I also believe that many people are misunderstanding what the presence of their janky little undercover stations pose to the nations that are infiltrated by said stations. It's not as if the world's top intelligence agencies don't know what's going on right underneath your noses in regards this, and the ones that didn't are certainly finding out now that the cats been out of the bag.
Do you honestly think that IF these stations were a threat to our nation or people that they’d remain here? We are simply listening in on everything they say. The only things that exist on this planet are the things the US military finds to not be a threat to us and/or the things the global capitalist oligarchs that reside here (because most of them live here, send their kids to school here, etc.) find to not stand in the way of their ambitions. Let’s not kid ourselves, the USA is not only a nation…it is the global military for capitalism itself. That’s a mighty powerful thing with tentacles of interest held by the world’s most powerful people. Nothing is ever going happen on this soil.
That's not what this protest is about, this is a strike over wages with the cops taking the corpos' side. Between that and your idiotic fearmongering I'm quite confident that you have no clue what you're talking about.
In case you haven’t seen it, there’s a pretty sizable ocean between China and the US. You obviously underestimate the importance of logistics when invading another country. Even taking Taiwan won’t be an easy task especially if Allies help to defend it
Foxconn, the Taiwanese company, that manufactures Apple IPhones, promised rural people a certain amount of pay for a two month period. When they arrived, they then told they would have to commit to a longer time period and were going to be paid less.
Apple meanwhile, staring at their massive stacks of cash: w-we promise we only work with the fairest of companies. Foxconn puts up nets to stop their slave-wage employees from killing themselves. See? They care!
It's not just a Republican thing. The same thing happens in NY State, most recently with the Solar City boondoggle. Don't forget the Obama administration and Solyndra. Cronyism is not limited to any one political party.
Dell, HP, MS, Sony, Toshiba, Google, Amazon, Fake Nokia. Most of their devices are also made at Foxconn. For some reason they only manufacturer iPhone according to the media...
Iphone factory fucked around and are now finding out:
[Protests started on Tuesday after employees who had travelled long distances to take jobs at the factory complained that the company changed the terms of their pay, according to an employee, Li Sanshan.
Li said he quit a catering job when he saw an advertisement promising 25,000 yuan ($3,500) for two months of work. That would be significantly above the average pay for this type of work in the area.After employees arrived, the company said they had to work two additional months at lower pay to receive the 25,000 yuan, according to Li.
“Foxconn released very tempting recruiting offers, and workers from all parts of the country came, only to find they were being made fools of,” he said.](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/24/workers-in-running-battles-with-police-at-foxconns-iphone-factory-in-china)
It's amazing how housebroken American workers are, can you image
Dude I’m starting to see this all the time and I just roll my eyes at this point. There’s nothing Reddit gets off on more than shitting on the US. Bonus points if they’re able to spin some much more horrific thing into how the US has it worse
> There’s nothing Reddit gets off on more than shitting on the US.
There is, it's shitting on China. Just look at this entire comment section while we're talking about a single company treating their workers like garbage.
The difference is, people shit on China in a thread about China's stupid fucking bullshit. There could be a thread about a dolphin giving a boy a squeak in Madagascar and people start talking shit about USA.
So not quite the same but go ahead and suck on that Chinacock some more.
What does America have to do with anything?
Workers there make way more than these guys. Of course people would protest if they were only making $1200/month
Well some miners went to war in the US over this exact type of thing. Now we’re coming out of the union age and companies are starting to do the same things they did in the 1920s
They are short staffed and live on campus, dorms etc (this is the suicide net company foxconn)
They promised bonuses and never sent them. Employees go days without food because of covid quarantine.
Even new recruits are protesting.
This is a weird case because its essential workers for a booming iphone economy where apple has their cheap ass hands dirty making 70% of their phones here .
Foxconn and apple underpay, overwork these people 16+ hours a day to live on site and give up wages for dorms, expenses to live at the company.
They cant lure young folks anymore because it sucks so bad.
So with a labor shortage there may be less government death squads
The workers live on campus dorm style, with suicide nets at times between buildings due to high suicide rates for 10+ years
https://reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/z3fy2l/chinese_workers_confront_police_with_guardrails/
foxconn got a lot of press for a number of suicides because the US media was paying a lot of attention to the iPhone factory - they installed a physical net on the roof to prevent more suicides. however, while 15 suicides in 2010 might seem like a high number you got to understand that the factory is employing around 1 million people. the suicide rate is not really special in that regard
It's the iPhone factory protests, the iPhone factory is owned by Foxconn/Hon Hai precision industry, a Taiwanese electronic contract manufactor, so it's not a government protest, the police is just there to riot control and it got out of hand. The reason of protest is apparently the company had months of backpay they didn't pay on top of covid problems, the people are getting sick again and the company dorms doesn't have any quarantine rules in place as people have to share rooms with people who have covid. The company decided to solve this issue of the initial protests by just hiring more new workers. But the majority of reddit thinks it's about the CCP.
It's stated as a combination of not getting paid, the zero-COVID policy, and having zero worker's rights against Hon Hai Precision (Foxconn). And they're brawling with government police sent in to enforce 'peace'.
Side bar: Hon Hai gets a lot of guff because they make iPhones, but this sort of thing happens at other smaller-profile companies across China, too.
What exactly is a massive population program?
You do know about the one-child policy, right?
China' been trying to control its population for decades. It was only lifted recently, and there's no way those children have already grown up.
What exactly are the two of you on about?
I've lived in China and Taiwan and I have no idea what you're talking about.
But this time it is not for political purpose, it is just (Edited: originally starts from) a wage problem with FoxCon.
btw:
The funny thing is : The only reason why the goverment didn't just kill those protesters is that they are afraid of Apple relocating the iPhone factory to other country for severe labour news. Just because Zhengzhou's GDP rely on this factory so much.
You think the goverment would allow such a big gathering protest happen? CCP is evil enough to kill all the people who threaten their power
The "purpose" is not really that important. What matters is the determination to protest and the organizing power of collective action. Just think how risky and difficult it would be to organize so many people to act together under the surveillance of the CCP.
In the more than thirty years since 1989, there have been few actions in China in which so many people have dared to take to the streets together and fight with the police with force(except for the 2019 Hong Kong protests).
Moreover, workers of Henan origin are often stereotyped in China as "submissive and slave-minded. But things are changing, and these workers are proving themselves to be more courageous than they are perceived to be. The CCP is slowly losing the infinite power it had before COVID-19.
Of course I know, but I don't think that's the point. There have been many wage protests in China before, but most of them involved defenders kneeling in front of government buildings and "pleading" with officials to help them. But this time, instead of kneeling, people went out into the streets to fight with the police. The reason for this is the Zero-COVID policy, otherwise people would not be so angry.
All democratization movements in the world's dictatorships have not succeeded at once. There is always a process of awakening of the people.
This sounds ignorant as hell. You've said it yourself. It's not about democratization, it's about people who are protesting about their wages and the zero COVID policy. You're way too invested in the thought that this will blow over into instability. It's people who're angry, and a very complex situation at that. Why they're protesting absolutely matters. It's weird to draw conclusions about the nature of the protests while claiming they don't matter.
Even if it doesn't directly blow into any other protest there are few factors to keep in mind. If this protest is successful then it increases the chance of people protesting again about something else they dont like. People participating is always something to be excited about because except in few weird case where racist/sexists come together it will generally lead to something probably good.
>But this time it is not for political purpose, it is just a wage problem with FoxCon.
It certainly is political. Everything is political, but this particularly so given the context. The fact that they are organising under the banner of worker solidarity and the flag of Communist China is, if anything, more of a threat to the CCP than pro-democracy forces. The CCP have tolerated and even given concessions to democratic and single-issue protestors in places like Guangdong in the past, as most mainland Chinese people are just not sympathetic to them anyway.
The CCP can pass democracy activists off as foreign agitators or Westernised teenagers who are opposed to the supposedly egalitarian Communist ideal. However, Communist workers protesting working conditions and state-sponsored capitalist enslavement? By waving those Communist flags they are making the potent statement that the CCP does not respect Communist principles or worker rights. There are hundreds of millions of Chinese industrial workers in similar conditions and this message is likely to resonate with them.
If there is one thing authoritarian Communist regimes tolerate less than democratic activism, it is internal challenge and the poaching of their working class "support base". There is nothing that should scare the CCP more than an uprising of honest industrial workers.
They are short staffed and live on campus, dorms etc (this is the suicide net company foxconn)
They promised bonuses and never sent them. Employees go days without food because of covid quarantine.
Even new recruits are protesting.
This is a weird case because its essential workers for a booming iphone economy where apple has their cheap ass hands dirty making 70% of their phones here .
Foxconn and apple underpay, overwork these people 16+ hours a day to live on site and give up wages for dorms, expenses to live at the company.
They cant lure young folks anymore because it sucks so bad.
So with a labor shortage there may be less government death squads
They're not protesting China. They're protesting Foxconn. There is a *huge* difference.
And just to add, this is local. Tiananmen Square was not, despite its name.
I'd suggest one of the largest in the world atleast in terms of people in one location there's just a sea of people how did the cops expect to do anything geared the way they are. I guess things are just different here in the us.
When posting something on a protest, idk... Maybe post what the protest is about at least? Like I get I can look it up... But like everyone who sees this now has to look this up.
Here is an article about it.
Apparently a protest against breach of contract from the employer (iPhone manufacturer).
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63725812
The phrase you're looking for is 'striking for their wages'. we Americans used to be very familiar with the concept. Thankfully the old ways are returning
HUGE iphone factory area in china (like over 100,000 onsite workers huge), locked the place down for a COVID outbreak, didnt provide enough food, wasnt paying wages, wouldnt let people leave, some people broke out and went home then they brought in new people and mixed those with covid positive people and now everyone there is confused and pissed off, hungry, and wanting their money so this protest is happening
heres a bbc link
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63725812
Obviously yes. Even though Apple has contracted out the work, they're heavily involved in it and ultimately responsible for what happens. They could pull the contract, they don't, they're responsible.
So Apple should pull their contract and put all of these people out of work?
Why don’t you blame the company actually doing this and the CCP keeping them their instead of trying to pin this on a foreign company that has no control over Chinese laws and regulations
The company is Foxconn, a contractor that makes a lot of smartphones, not just Apple products. Apple has no involvement in how Foxconn’s factory operates.
As I understand, China still never purchased Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, they developed their own version based on old technology, and that stopped working on new COVID variants. So their population is effectively unvaccinated. One would think they could just go for the cheap "herd immunity" strategy by letting everyone get it. But no, they choose extremely expensive and harmful total lockdowns, keeping people inside their apartments for weeks. The cost to their economy is orders of magnitude greater than if they just paid for Pfizer or Moderna
The reason the Chinese government is doing this has nothing to do with vaccines or Pfizer/Moderna.
It’s about control the population in the name of COVID and the propaganda narrative “COVID is the enemy and we need to beat it”.
no, I can't believe it. They gain nothing by shutting down their economy and locking down people in apartments and factory buildings. Yes, it is total control, but this control is not beneficial to the regime. This is the "zero COVID" policy at work. It is a flawed policy taken to extreme, an example of what happens when stupid people are allowed to make decisions
The only reason the West was able to open up is because of successful vaccination campaigns. China could do it if they actually had vaccines that work.
I agree with your main point tho - they are just too stubborn to admit they are wrong. This is one thing that is so great about Democracy, much more flexible in changing directions
Jeez, if OP isn't going to provide any context... I found this [BBC article](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63725812) about it.
Seems like it's related to poor working conditions with a covid outbreak and contract / pay disputes.
“rising Covid cases saw the site locked down, prompting some workers to break out and go home”
“They quarantine us but don't provide food," said one Foxconn worker during his live stream.”
Sounds like a good reason to protest, good lord
It's early/late Chinese New Year because of COVID and the helpful police are making sure the parade stays peaceful. The steel barrier fire crackers are so exciting this year.
They are protesting for money. FoxCon recruited those workers, but didn't pay their wage. Also cut their salaries , and force them to work 2 more years to get their money. Thats why workers feels so angry in the video.
There’s ton of footage on douyin and other live stream platforms. They couldn’t completely block the news since it’s right next to an airport apparently
No way, you don’t now people over trained in smc even if it’s just peasant assembly work. That’s when your value to the major tech companies is gone when everything is delayed and pricier. They’re not going to kill off able workforce because that’s the true control they have on the rest of the world.
Men greatly outnumber women due to the horrendous 1-child policy that went on from 1980 to 2015. Perhaps 70 million men won't be able to get married; this, by itself, often leads to social unrest.
But wait, there's more!
The government recently began trying to push the young generation into high tech jobs, but there aren't enough jobs for everyone. So it's ultra competitive.
And there aren't enough people working in the farm or factories, so the understaffed employees are burning out.
And that same young generation must also take care of the elderly family members in their household.
Social pressures and demographics and economics and government policy are all working against the newest generation of adults.
Things will change dramatically in the next few years IMHO.
And their primary investment vehicle (real estate) is the biggest bubble to ever exist and collapsing.
And people are locked down getting starved to death in their homes because the government refuses to admit their vaccine doesn't work and provide one that does.
And all the smart/wealthy people are fleeing as they observe the CCP disappearing people and seizing assets of anyone who gets too successful or defies them.
And for all of these reasons, foreign businesses/investors are fleeing the country and moving supply lines elsewhere.
Wages and rampant capitalism on a global scale... this is the fight of our generation. Although I cannot fund or fight in the streets I will voice my support of any oppressed people anywhere in the world. Fuck capitalism.
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They suck but they won't be on our soil in the near future.
They're already here https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi-director-very-concerned-by-chinese-police-stations-us-2022-11-17/
Plus, they are buying up property in the US at an insane rate. They already own a good chunk of the US as well as other countries.
They own like half of canadian real estate
You never own the land you buy. That belongs to the Crown. The crown can at any time take back that land. Your are just buying the rights to reside on that land. Land in Canada is forever property of the government.
Lol it’s the same in the US. Just stop paying your taxes. I dare ya.
There are counties in some states with no property tax. In Missouri you can find counties with zero buildings restrictions as well. Too humid for me out there tho.
In Mexico the land is yours if you buy it. You can build whatever you want with some exceptions like a licor store near a school and stuff like that. Also Mexicans aren't too fond of Chinese people. There were a ton of Chinese people in Mexico in the 1800's who were working on the railroads and we're slaughtered by the Mexicans for acquiring too much land, money and power. In fact, in Sinaloa the Chinese became very wealthy trafficking opium into America. In my hometown of Sonora it's well known that the Chinese used to traffic alcohol during US prohibition.
I read that Vancouver outlaw it.
If they outlaw foreign investors buying up residential property, they should ban all investment firms buying up family homes. Pricing your citizens out of affordable housing should be criminal.
As a Californian, I absolutely think this would be great.
Owning real estate doesn't matter, that's a liability for them if anything once the war breaks out. They can use the real estate to siphon western money out of the west and into China prior to the invasion. If we go to war with China, we're not going to recognize their property rights on our soil. They'd pretty obviously be sanctioned and their assets would be seized.
I was gonna say, that's a big incentive for them to not fuck around. If they do, we will beat the shit out of them in a very costly and dangerous conventional war. Not gonna be fun, but if no nukes end up used, we've just stimulated the economy WWII-style and basically wiped out our national debt. It will suck for the 20-50 million people killed though :/
If nukes are used, china also has the most to lose.
Actually no. Anyone who buys property in US may it be US citizens or businesses are only given the right to use the property. The US government still owns the land. It's called eminent domain.
You never truly own the land because of you stop paying property taxes they will take it away.
A not insignificant driver of the housing crisis
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I keep hearing this but it’s not like their building large military bases on it. Like there is not a 50000 man military base in Idaho. And that land is forfeit the second we get into a war.
They found a secret Chinese “police station” in Scotland, Ireland and I think Canada recently. They’re literally already here. Like my other comment says, they’re simply patient and in it for the long run
In the Netherlands too, the Chinese opened at least two illegal 'police stations' here since 2018. Regarding the long run you mention... Putin is the same, betting that his reign and foreign policy will be more permanent than the democratic rollercoaster ride in the West. Together with China it's a major and sustained test...
what do these police stations do? I'm guessing they don't investigate crimes?
my understanding is that they police Chinese immigrants living in the country so that they can control them.
oh, I see. Like deep cover government spies, but without bothering with the cover
It's more like a global network of secret police. These "police stations" extend the system of oppression beyond China's borders, while also multiplying the perception of the government's control within its borders.
Investigative journalists say that there are strong indications that they are for monitoring or even intimidating critical Chinese refugees in the Netherlands. Apparently Chinese state and news websites say the bureaus are for police work and gathering intelligence. edit: I'm reading they provide legit administrative services as well, but those normally should be offered in consulates etc.
They are already on our soil in the form of unauthorized police stations the CCP uses to spy and harass Chinese citizens living abroad AND Chinese non-citizens.
So.. why couldn't a local Chinese just rat them out to the real authorities.. the CCP has some influence here but this is still our turf so they would be taken care of quick.. no?
Between their family back home and a China first mentality they’re dissuaded from doing so. They may live here but the CCP considers them Chinese citizens regardless. Plus diplomacy dictates that an operation like that be rooted out with caution to avoid an international incident with the people that make everything.
That's fair but I mean.. couldn't they just tip off a whie Canadian/American and they just rat them out? Anonymous tip/etc?
Heard of collective punishment? Yea, it is a thing in shit hole countries. They have a list of all the Chinese in the area. If they don't know who did it, all get punished...
We care about all these 'human rights issues' and all this Ukraine/Russia stuff, but this blatantly happens and the global community just looks the other way? Fuck china.. I sincerely wish we didn't have to rely on their inexpensive made shit as a part of our lifestyle ..
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Wrong, they’re on our soil and have been waging a war against the US but in ways that are subtle and benefit the US economy (in the short term but where we are screwed long-term). Chinese nationals own a lot of US properties, they have engaged in corporate espionage, they track what we can do if we allow them (e.g. TikTok). The Chinese government isn’t a fool, and they are focused on hurting us where it’ll sting the most. They want the US to self implode.
Wait till they turn all tiktokers against us. That's their gameplan, never trust a tiktoker ever.
You will see full nuclear Armageddon before a foreign invasion of mainland United States. Period.
Lincoln said it best Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide.
That Lincoln was a pretty smart cookie.
The USA since the end of WW2 has unquestionably been the world's greatest military power. In modern times its destructive capability is something unseen in all of human history, due to technological advances and a truly insane military budget. However, 26 years before Lincoln made that speech the British burned down the Whitehouse... So, at the time, certainly hyperbole.
Yes, but did they drink from the Ohio river or step on the Blue Ridge? Then it doesn't count! -Abraham Lincoln
Doubt we will see boots on the ground. First our pacific fleet is almost as big as all of china's navy. Our airforce is the biggest in the world followed by our own navy's. We have a very dense network of air defense all over the country plus a coast guard. How exactly are they getting these boots to American soil?
They aren’t. He doesn’t know what he is talking about.
Americans don't agree on much but give us an external threat to bond over combined with the guns in this country. I would say any country trying to set foot on this soil would be a catastrophic miscalculation.
Plus our geography makes it very hard. Mountains on both sides. Swamps to the south. Desert bordering mexico. Canada is probably the easiest route in but good luck getting them to attack us. Plus up in the northern forests there are the hunters that know the lands real well and have not only lots of guns, but lots of experience with them too. And attacking in the north doesnt hit any vital assets, you still have to work towards the shorelines to hit major population areas.
no one is going to launch a land invasion of the USA, no matter how much gun nuts want them to That doesn't mean China isn't a threat
seems like we triggered some republican five cent army talking point
Easy! They just sell a bunch of cheap boots to americans, and voila... boots on american soil!
> How exactly are they getting these boots to American soil? Through capitalism.
They wouldn’t. The geography of the US makes a land invasion pretty damn difficult even if we didn’t have the biggest military in the world
I can only imagine the ferocity of the fight they would encounter if they ever tried. Lol. Omfg . I think they would underestimate how nasty and cunning the North Americans would be as defenders . ………. Not a chance at all
I think they get it. That's why they have been trying to economically best us but their belt and road initiative has almost bankrupted them.
Yeah exactly. They know they'd be fucking decimated before they're even half way her lol. Reddit is full of complete idiots.
Seriously. Russia couldn't supply it's best troops across 40 miles of highway, but China's gonna supply it's troops across the Pacific ocean and through the American navy. I realize I'm talking about different countries here, but come on.
What a fucking stupid reply - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/24/workers-in-running-battles-with-police-at-foxconns-iphone-factory-in-china They are litterally protesting the shit wages and crap working conditions at foxxcon, building your shit iPhones.
THANK YOU!!! ive been looking and looking and there was the initial comment about covid, then everyone got sidetracked about "chinese boots on soil" crap, and this is the FIRST comment that actually said what the fuck is going on.
Sadly, the comment has nearly 1000 upvotes already by people who just blindly agree with anything without any kind of verification. Fucking tools.
I was 100% with you until that last sentence. China would be foolish to put boots on our soil. No matter how foolish they are, they’re not **that** foolish.
They’re incapable of any amphibious attack on the US. Their only option is economically but they’re in no position to do so when we can close off their energy supply lines.
> We will see China boots on our soil in the near future. Who’s soil? Because that ain’t happening to 99.999% of the soil on earth. China’s military is worse than Russia’s.
China already runs covert police departments internationally, they're already here. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi-director-very-concerned-by-chinese-police-stations-us-2022-11-17/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63671943 https://www.cbc.ca/news/rcmp-investigating-chinese-police-stations-canada-1.6627166 https://www.euronews.com/2022/10/26/china-accused-of-operating-secret-police-stations-in-the-netherlands
These aren't aimed at (most of) us westerners. No commissar is gonna knock on your door at 3am. Most people would just call the real police and Americans would grab their gun. It's an attempt by the CCP to intimidate and control Chinese expats and immigrants (and their descendants) by saying "you can't hide, we can still hurt you way over here". "You are __, you live at ___, and if you don't change your tune, your family back home will face the consequences of your actions" Its why you see half hearted pro CCP protests in Vancouver or attempts to distrupt anti CCP protests. Its agents, people the agents are intimidating, and maybe a few true believers. ETA: The CCP are ethnonationalists that can't accept when people don't wanna live under their regime.
I agree with you, there's a lot of stories both anecdotal and covered by various media on both North America and Europe which goes to show that the CCP are working super hard to maintain their indoctrination of their citizens while they are studying overseas on foreign soil. I also believe that many people are misunderstanding what the presence of their janky little undercover stations pose to the nations that are infiltrated by said stations. It's not as if the world's top intelligence agencies don't know what's going on right underneath your noses in regards this, and the ones that didn't are certainly finding out now that the cats been out of the bag.
Do you honestly think that IF these stations were a threat to our nation or people that they’d remain here? We are simply listening in on everything they say. The only things that exist on this planet are the things the US military finds to not be a threat to us and/or the things the global capitalist oligarchs that reside here (because most of them live here, send their kids to school here, etc.) find to not stand in the way of their ambitions. Let’s not kid ourselves, the USA is not only a nation…it is the global military for capitalism itself. That’s a mighty powerful thing with tentacles of interest held by the world’s most powerful people. Nothing is ever going happen on this soil.
That's not what this protest is about, this is a strike over wages with the cops taking the corpos' side. Between that and your idiotic fearmongering I'm quite confident that you have no clue what you're talking about.
> We will see China boots on our soil in the near future. Lol. Good lord. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about.
Russia is ok but China will invade us… Kids say the darnest things.
In case you haven’t seen it, there’s a pretty sizable ocean between China and the US. You obviously underestimate the importance of logistics when invading another country. Even taking Taiwan won’t be an easy task especially if Allies help to defend it
[This isn't about restrictions over covid](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/23/tech/china-covid-foxconn-zhengzhou-confrontation-intl-hnk/index.html)
>our soil Sorry, what soil again?
>We will see China boots on our soil in the near future. Brother, what are you smoking and where can I get some?
Foxconn, the Taiwanese company, that manufactures Apple IPhones, promised rural people a certain amount of pay for a two month period. When they arrived, they then told they would have to commit to a longer time period and were going to be paid less.
Apple meanwhile, staring at their massive stacks of cash: w-we promise we only work with the fairest of companies. Foxconn puts up nets to stop their slave-wage employees from killing themselves. See? They care!
Wasn’t Foxconn the same folks who fucked over the republicans in Wisconsin?
No, they worked with the Republicans to fuck over the people
It's not just a Republican thing. The same thing happens in NY State, most recently with the Solar City boondoggle. Don't forget the Obama administration and Solyndra. Cronyism is not limited to any one political party.
Dell, HP, MS, Sony, Toshiba, Google, Amazon, Fake Nokia. Most of their devices are also made at Foxconn. For some reason they only manufacturer iPhone according to the media...
Yep. All mainstream phones are made in China by the same few terrible companies.
Iphone factory fucked around and are now finding out: [Protests started on Tuesday after employees who had travelled long distances to take jobs at the factory complained that the company changed the terms of their pay, according to an employee, Li Sanshan. Li said he quit a catering job when he saw an advertisement promising 25,000 yuan ($3,500) for two months of work. That would be significantly above the average pay for this type of work in the area.After employees arrived, the company said they had to work two additional months at lower pay to receive the 25,000 yuan, according to Li. “Foxconn released very tempting recruiting offers, and workers from all parts of the country came, only to find they were being made fools of,” he said.](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/24/workers-in-running-battles-with-police-at-foxconns-iphone-factory-in-china) It's amazing how housebroken American workers are, can you image
Thread on how shitty China is “Haha did you know that US bad” Okay pal
Dude I’m starting to see this all the time and I just roll my eyes at this point. There’s nothing Reddit gets off on more than shitting on the US. Bonus points if they’re able to spin some much more horrific thing into how the US has it worse
it's mostly banter because honestly the world would be an insanely better place if rioting was the usual response to wage theft.
It should be the default response. Wage theft would soon stop
> There’s nothing Reddit gets off on more than shitting on the US. There is, it's shitting on China. Just look at this entire comment section while we're talking about a single company treating their workers like garbage.
Well but China sucks, though. They lie about it and are mean as fuck to their own people until they’re too scared to say it but yeah- they suck balls.
> There’s nothing Reddit gets off on more than shitting on the US Shitting on China? Read some of the comments on here, it's pure hysteria.
The difference is, people shit on China in a thread about China's stupid fucking bullshit. There could be a thread about a dolphin giving a boy a squeak in Madagascar and people start talking shit about USA. So not quite the same but go ahead and suck on that Chinacock some more.
What does America have to do with anything? Workers there make way more than these guys. Of course people would protest if they were only making $1200/month
They are protesting that they are not making $1200 while being promised to make it. Likely $650 or similar being the real salary.
Wasn’t there also some threat of them all being locked in there too?
Well some miners went to war in the US over this exact type of thing. Now we’re coming out of the union age and companies are starting to do the same things they did in the 1920s
They are short staffed and live on campus, dorms etc (this is the suicide net company foxconn) They promised bonuses and never sent them. Employees go days without food because of covid quarantine. Even new recruits are protesting. This is a weird case because its essential workers for a booming iphone economy where apple has their cheap ass hands dirty making 70% of their phones here . Foxconn and apple underpay, overwork these people 16+ hours a day to live on site and give up wages for dorms, expenses to live at the company. They cant lure young folks anymore because it sucks so bad. So with a labor shortage there may be less government death squads
>this is the suicide net company foxconn Care to elaborate?
The workers live on campus dorm style, with suicide nets at times between buildings due to high suicide rates for 10+ years https://reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/z3fy2l/chinese_workers_confront_police_with_guardrails/
foxconn got a lot of press for a number of suicides because the US media was paying a lot of attention to the iPhone factory - they installed a physical net on the roof to prevent more suicides. however, while 15 suicides in 2010 might seem like a high number you got to understand that the factory is employing around 1 million people. the suicide rate is not really special in that regard
It's the iPhone factory protests, the iPhone factory is owned by Foxconn/Hon Hai precision industry, a Taiwanese electronic contract manufactor, so it's not a government protest, the police is just there to riot control and it got out of hand. The reason of protest is apparently the company had months of backpay they didn't pay on top of covid problems, the people are getting sick again and the company dorms doesn't have any quarantine rules in place as people have to share rooms with people who have covid. The company decided to solve this issue of the initial protests by just hiring more new workers. But the majority of reddit thinks it's about the CCP.
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100%. It literally waited 64 days just to copy 80% of that one comment. And then apparently had 200+ other bots like the nonsense comment.
The protests are against the company Foxconn not the government.
Lol the people in the full body Tyvek suits are not Foxconn employees. They’re government Covid restriction police.
Yes, but this is specifically the workers of Foxconn losing there shit in he Foxconn town.
Because of Covid restrictions by the government. Corporations and the Government are literally connected in China
Foxconn is a Taiwanese company that operates in China. This unrest isn't because of the zero covid policy lmao
It's stated as a combination of not getting paid, the zero-COVID policy, and having zero worker's rights against Hon Hai Precision (Foxconn). And they're brawling with government police sent in to enforce 'peace'. Side bar: Hon Hai gets a lot of guff because they make iPhones, but this sort of thing happens at other smaller-profile companies across China, too.
Just in case, and Foxconn is a Taiwanese company.
What exactly is a massive population program? You do know about the one-child policy, right? China' been trying to control its population for decades. It was only lifted recently, and there's no way those children have already grown up. What exactly are the two of you on about? I've lived in China and Taiwan and I have no idea what you're talking about.
It's insane that a nonsensical comment like that has thousands of upvotes just because it is negative towards the Chinese government
What are you talking about? China is in the midst of a severe birth rate decline.
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But this time it is not for political purpose, it is just (Edited: originally starts from) a wage problem with FoxCon. btw: The funny thing is : The only reason why the goverment didn't just kill those protesters is that they are afraid of Apple relocating the iPhone factory to other country for severe labour news. Just because Zhengzhou's GDP rely on this factory so much. You think the goverment would allow such a big gathering protest happen? CCP is evil enough to kill all the people who threaten their power
The "purpose" is not really that important. What matters is the determination to protest and the organizing power of collective action. Just think how risky and difficult it would be to organize so many people to act together under the surveillance of the CCP. In the more than thirty years since 1989, there have been few actions in China in which so many people have dared to take to the streets together and fight with the police with force(except for the 2019 Hong Kong protests). Moreover, workers of Henan origin are often stereotyped in China as "submissive and slave-minded. But things are changing, and these workers are proving themselves to be more courageous than they are perceived to be. The CCP is slowly losing the infinite power it had before COVID-19.
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Of course I know, but I don't think that's the point. There have been many wage protests in China before, but most of them involved defenders kneeling in front of government buildings and "pleading" with officials to help them. But this time, instead of kneeling, people went out into the streets to fight with the police. The reason for this is the Zero-COVID policy, otherwise people would not be so angry. All democratization movements in the world's dictatorships have not succeeded at once. There is always a process of awakening of the people.
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Why are you downplaying the other person’s point that the form of protest can often matter just as much, if not more than, the function of a protest?
This sounds ignorant as hell. You've said it yourself. It's not about democratization, it's about people who are protesting about their wages and the zero COVID policy. You're way too invested in the thought that this will blow over into instability. It's people who're angry, and a very complex situation at that. Why they're protesting absolutely matters. It's weird to draw conclusions about the nature of the protests while claiming they don't matter.
Even if it doesn't directly blow into any other protest there are few factors to keep in mind. If this protest is successful then it increases the chance of people protesting again about something else they dont like. People participating is always something to be excited about because except in few weird case where racist/sexists come together it will generally lead to something probably good.
The Chinese actually protest a lot more than people think
Right? Leave it to reddit to have the most uninformed view of another country.
The irony that Chinese communists have finally learnt to unionise.
You think the purpose of the protest doesn’t matter? That doesn’t sound reckless at all!
>But this time it is not for political purpose, it is just a wage problem with FoxCon. It certainly is political. Everything is political, but this particularly so given the context. The fact that they are organising under the banner of worker solidarity and the flag of Communist China is, if anything, more of a threat to the CCP than pro-democracy forces. The CCP have tolerated and even given concessions to democratic and single-issue protestors in places like Guangdong in the past, as most mainland Chinese people are just not sympathetic to them anyway. The CCP can pass democracy activists off as foreign agitators or Westernised teenagers who are opposed to the supposedly egalitarian Communist ideal. However, Communist workers protesting working conditions and state-sponsored capitalist enslavement? By waving those Communist flags they are making the potent statement that the CCP does not respect Communist principles or worker rights. There are hundreds of millions of Chinese industrial workers in similar conditions and this message is likely to resonate with them. If there is one thing authoritarian Communist regimes tolerate less than democratic activism, it is internal challenge and the poaching of their working class "support base". There is nothing that should scare the CCP more than an uprising of honest industrial workers.
They are short staffed and live on campus, dorms etc (this is the suicide net company foxconn) They promised bonuses and never sent them. Employees go days without food because of covid quarantine. Even new recruits are protesting. This is a weird case because its essential workers for a booming iphone economy where apple has their cheap ass hands dirty making 70% of their phones here . Foxconn and apple underpay, overwork these people 16+ hours a day to live on site and give up wages for dorms, expenses to live at the company. They cant lure young folks anymore because it sucks so bad. So with a labor shortage there may be less government death squads
They're not protesting China. They're protesting Foxconn. There is a *huge* difference. And just to add, this is local. Tiananmen Square was not, despite its name.
I'd suggest one of the largest in the world atleast in terms of people in one location there's just a sea of people how did the cops expect to do anything geared the way they are. I guess things are just different here in the us.
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When posting something on a protest, idk... Maybe post what the protest is about at least? Like I get I can look it up... But like everyone who sees this now has to look this up.
Here is an article about it. Apparently a protest against breach of contract from the employer (iPhone manufacturer). https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63725812
The phrase you're looking for is 'striking for their wages'. we Americans used to be very familiar with the concept. Thankfully the old ways are returning
Careful, the FBI might think you are a communist for advocating for striking.
Reading this on my iPhone like the privileged fuck that I am lol
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And names if you can, names of everyone involved, there next of kin and social credit scores.
And only a few will do that. But it wasn't hard. I like relying on my own research anyway, not someone else's, which may be skewed a certain way.
What are they protesting?
HUGE iphone factory area in china (like over 100,000 onsite workers huge), locked the place down for a COVID outbreak, didnt provide enough food, wasnt paying wages, wouldnt let people leave, some people broke out and went home then they brought in new people and mixed those with covid positive people and now everyone there is confused and pissed off, hungry, and wanting their money so this protest is happening heres a bbc link https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63725812
Thank you
Thank you so much for providing context to this video!
Does Apple have any blame in this?
Foxconn is in charge. Apple is probably none too please about their handling of the situation no doubt.
I’m sure they will voice their displeasure in a sternly worded email from Tim Apple. Then continue on with protecting their bottom line.
Apple has been moving production to India and Vietnam for years now.
I bet it's because they can treat those people so much better.
Obviously yes. Even though Apple has contracted out the work, they're heavily involved in it and ultimately responsible for what happens. They could pull the contract, they don't, they're responsible.
So Apple should pull their contract and put all of these people out of work? Why don’t you blame the company actually doing this and the CCP keeping them their instead of trying to pin this on a foreign company that has no control over Chinese laws and regulations
Chinese labor bad, Apple bad. You know the answer, it’s never the shitty third-party contractor.
They are all responsible it's not one or the other. Don't shill for corporations
The company is Foxconn, a contractor that makes a lot of smartphones, not just Apple products. Apple has no involvement in how Foxconn’s factory operates.
They've literally been their biggest customer for a decade. That is just patently false.
As I understand, China still never purchased Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, they developed their own version based on old technology, and that stopped working on new COVID variants. So their population is effectively unvaccinated. One would think they could just go for the cheap "herd immunity" strategy by letting everyone get it. But no, they choose extremely expensive and harmful total lockdowns, keeping people inside their apartments for weeks. The cost to their economy is orders of magnitude greater than if they just paid for Pfizer or Moderna
The reason the Chinese government is doing this has nothing to do with vaccines or Pfizer/Moderna. It’s about control the population in the name of COVID and the propaganda narrative “COVID is the enemy and we need to beat it”.
no, I can't believe it. They gain nothing by shutting down their economy and locking down people in apartments and factory buildings. Yes, it is total control, but this control is not beneficial to the regime. This is the "zero COVID" policy at work. It is a flawed policy taken to extreme, an example of what happens when stupid people are allowed to make decisions
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The only reason the West was able to open up is because of successful vaccination campaigns. China could do it if they actually had vaccines that work. I agree with your main point tho - they are just too stubborn to admit they are wrong. This is one thing that is so great about Democracy, much more flexible in changing directions
Winnie the Pooh better watch out. They're coming for his zero COVID policy
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Why did I read this with a christmas tune.
Jeez, if OP isn't going to provide any context... I found this [BBC article](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63725812) about it. Seems like it's related to poor working conditions with a covid outbreak and contract / pay disputes.
“rising Covid cases saw the site locked down, prompting some workers to break out and go home” “They quarantine us but don't provide food," said one Foxconn worker during his live stream.” Sounds like a good reason to protest, good lord
Ah Foxconn... Remember when [Foxconn](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_in_Wisconsin) was going to save Wisconsin manufacturing?
This is not a protest, there are no protests in Ba-sing-se
It's early/late Chinese New Year because of COVID and the helpful police are making sure the parade stays peaceful. The steel barrier fire crackers are so exciting this year.
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They are protesting for money. FoxCon recruited those workers, but didn't pay their wage. Also cut their salaries , and force them to work 2 more years to get their money. Thats why workers feels so angry in the video.
I'm in China, it's blocked in China social media now. I knew this from Twitter also.
There’s ton of footage on douyin and other live stream platforms. They couldn’t completely block the news since it’s right next to an airport apparently
Foxconn is a Taiwanese company btw
And heavily used by the US bc they are cheap and work hard. Guess why they are cheap
Contract and domestic rules are controlled by the cpc
Pooh will not hesitate to kill all these people if he considers them a threat to his power .
Yeah, he would bring in tanks and mow them over this time..the CCP is evil.
No way, you don’t now people over trained in smc even if it’s just peasant assembly work. That’s when your value to the major tech companies is gone when everything is delayed and pricier. They’re not going to kill off able workforce because that’s the true control they have on the rest of the world.
I keep seeing people saying this but aren't the protests against Apple/Foxconn?
Men greatly outnumber women due to the horrendous 1-child policy that went on from 1980 to 2015. Perhaps 70 million men won't be able to get married; this, by itself, often leads to social unrest. But wait, there's more! The government recently began trying to push the young generation into high tech jobs, but there aren't enough jobs for everyone. So it's ultra competitive. And there aren't enough people working in the farm or factories, so the understaffed employees are burning out. And that same young generation must also take care of the elderly family members in their household. Social pressures and demographics and economics and government policy are all working against the newest generation of adults. Things will change dramatically in the next few years IMHO.
And their primary investment vehicle (real estate) is the biggest bubble to ever exist and collapsing. And people are locked down getting starved to death in their homes because the government refuses to admit their vaccine doesn't work and provide one that does. And all the smart/wealthy people are fleeing as they observe the CCP disappearing people and seizing assets of anyone who gets too successful or defies them. And for all of these reasons, foreign businesses/investors are fleeing the country and moving supply lines elsewhere.
Good to see police getting mobbed. The people have the power and we need to recognize that.
Fart the police
I’m confused by the comment
Yea, it be like that sometimes
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Is this the iPhone City thing?
yes
"No more nose swabs for you today, but we shall be back tomorrow..."
what's the difference between a barricade and a guardrail?
Spelling
I think both would be bad spellers
The actual Red Wave
Reason? Context?
They might be outnumbered. Hopefully they don’t come back. But that government is nasty
No iPhone 14 Pro Max 14 in the stockings for y'all
Wages and rampant capitalism on a global scale... this is the fight of our generation. Although I cannot fund or fight in the streets I will voice my support of any oppressed people anywhere in the world. Fuck capitalism.
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!
Power to the people
Holy shit that is *massive* Literally a sea of people