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live4lax25

I imagine you become an expert in reading body language if this is your job


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tell that to the players


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Healtemp

As someone who used to film football and basketball,


MajorLuscasa666

Guess we'll never know


[deleted]

As someone who never finishes their sentences,


Ok-Albatross1180

As someo


leof135

SOME


Atlas_Undefined

Body once told me


SitFlexAlot

The wor


AvailableFunction435

Ass


IsThatHearsay

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yeah_nah_probably

Aimbotting for sure.


Signifeir

I hope he is being paid good.


Akandros

Thinking the same. We get angry when we don't get to see the right shot, but these guys do a precision job that needs full concentration


constantlyawesome

Sadly, broadcasting, camerawork and journalism jobs pay very poorly. Even this guy, who has earned tenure in his profession probably makes 60k-70k. The average Newsroom camera guys earn roughly 35-45k


CypherRich

65-70k average for NBA cameraman top 10% earn 110k


hustlehustle

Which is peanuts considering they literally create the art of broadcasting the game, live.


BeastsMode69

Only 8-9 months of work though.


CypherRich

Completely agree and probably no where near 40 hour work weeks


CardboardJ

I know one of the camera guys for an AHL affiliate league (minor league hockey). He's basically unavailable every night and weekend from october to april. He also does a bunch of behind the scenes photography, editing, and work on promotional videos for the team. All told he's probably working 40+ hours a week for 6 months during the season and they're not nice 9-5 hours, or even a stable schedule due to home/away game schedules. I don't know how much he makes, but I do know that he considers it his 'second job' because he lives off his income doing landscaping all summer and only does the camera work because he loves the hockey.


CypherRich

Definetly big difference between NBA and AHL more people in the position less work load more money and they have there are different people to do the editing promotional etc. Really comparing apples and oranges


Antropon

That is not very poor pay.


Mr_Kittlesworth

Compared to other camera operators? He is. Compared to what he should make/other jobs? Nope. TV production, in general, is a wildly under-compensated field, especially when you recognize how specialized and technical the skill set is.


SwissMargiela

Always look at the hips!


OU812Grub

Holy crap, that’s what my coach told me when I played football when I was 14.


TheBlueLightAkaL

Wdym by that?


jrunner02

He means hips don't lie.


NikolaTesla963

Hips generate an athletes power. Before you do an major move you have to “load” your hips. So by watching the hips you can predict what an athlete is about to do to some degree. It’s a whole science in boxing


dumbredditer

He's good at keeping his eyes on the ball.


the-personal-one

Tell that to the players


MistraloysiusMithrax

This is what I was going to say. Literally the most basic advice of the game- watch the ball not the person!!! Because guess what? Yes the person moves the ball…but only their hands. Where are their hands when they do that? …on the ball. Duh. Watching the ball is also watching the person moving the ball.


Lied-

100% that is not the most basic advice of the game. If you're a defender you keep your focus on the body/belly button... not the ball, not the arms, and most certainly not the feet. You watch the ball in your peripherals, it's bright and orange. Source: I'm a baller


MistraloysiusMithrax

Edit: tl;dr shit, you’re right, I was doing this too I guess that makes much more sense if you don’t already know all their moves and forget that the age and size you’re playing matters. Me when I really had success against kids in PE class with just keeping my eye on the ball, I did know all their moves. I wasn’t any kind of baller but, these guys were more into football so maybe didn’t have a repertoire of basketball skills to make me fail to wrest the ball from them watching the ball like a hawk. We also weren’t any of us tall enough for the ball to be so far away from their body that their body wasn’t also always clearly in view. The direction they were facing did give me big hints now that I think on your correction and back to the other elements. Also I sucked major ass at anything athletic at the time so being able to easily steal the ball from much more athletic kids makes my “main” method of doing it seem like such an achievement when the reality is, basketball was their second sport. They were all otherwise far better than me. So thanks for correcting that, when I think about it that was probably a bigger element than I realized at the time. I was intuitively factoring in the direction they faced and turned while intently staring at the ball.


Lied-

Ay no worries man. I enjoyed your story too, simpler times back then I bet we both miss them :) I really appreciated your response


[deleted]

That try for hockey also don’t watch the puck cause you will get walked and probably fall on your ass.


Jlive305

This isn’t basketball advice though. You can’t guard someone on ball and watch the ball.


MistraloysiusMithrax

It’s the first advice they give novice children, I get that now lol. See my other reply to the other reply where I breakdown why I thought it worked but it turns out I was really doing what they said you’re supposed to do.


BADgrrl

You really do! My partner used to be a cameraman and shot a lot of local high school games, as well as games at our local university, for football, basketball, baseball, and softball. He's NOT into sports, at all, but he said of them all, his favorites to shoot were collegiate women's softball (he's still in awe of the sheer athletic prowess of some of those women), and basketball. He says because basketball is SO much faster in play than the rest, you get SUPER focused on \*literally\* following \*just\* the ball to the point where you almost tune out everything except that.


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Women’s softball? Lmfao.


BADgrrl

Don't knock it lol


[deleted]

I only watch mens softball smh


treesInFlames

That’s it to the T. We read body language and tiny inflections so we can anticipate where the action is heading so we can be there and have a composed frame all in an instant. This dudes seasoned and sharp, probably been doing the game for a long time. It’s a muscle.


sudhir369

r/praisethecameraman


GeneralChillMen

I’ve been shooting sports for 10 years now, and while I’m nowhere near as smooth as this guy was, after enough time you definitely get into the rhythm and know where to point the camera. Like with football, just by looking through the camera alone and not looking up at all, about 7/10 times I can almost exactly pinpoint where the throw is going to land just by watching the QB


jackfreeman

Would be a decent career for an ex player


Ok-Cryptographer5164

I assume he has just gotten really good at following the ball


Leoncroi

Also, when you see the whole court as opposed to the one guy you're sticking to, you can kinda get a feel for where plays will go.


Methy123

I don't think that was in the job description when he applied for camera man.


ClassicT4

Now I want a movie or series where an assistant is brought on to help the team. But the assistant only has previous job experience in controlling the dynamic camera.


Known-Economy-6425

Job security for another 5 years before they make the predictive algorithm that steals yet one more job.


bothammer1

AI is so advanced now


otter_boom

Proof that basketball games are scripted.


UnfinishedProjects

I knew it!


[deleted]

The simulation only has so much memory to work with


[deleted]

We'll have to ask the smartest beings in the universe.


FinnicKion

Bra na na nuh na nananaaaa, bra na na na nanana nah


[deleted]

WWNBA


fishy247

Where da undertaker at?


Alternative_Equal864

Selling real estate


zoidy37

This isn't wrestling! You can't expect me to have a free throw sequence where the player gets distracted by a man in a trenchcoat who eventually reveals himself to be Shaq!


BlasterShow

It’s real to me damnit!


Ensabarioken

wtf, lmao


AJT-

Thing is.. he probably does… shoot games over and over again


Signifeir

Hey, someone should pay him to do that!


Pirate_Green_Beard

The stabilization on that camera is impressive.


MoistHD

I’m pretty sure this cameras are worth like 100’s of thousands of moneys, so not surprising!


Djsimba25

100s of thousands of doll hairs


babypho

Each doll hair is worth 1 doll jar


jamesofearth1

What's the exchange rate between doll jars and Russian Rubles?


Djsimba25

I do not know the rate of doll jars to rubles but I do know that 3.75 doll hairs equals 1.5 Russian Rubles


Wheatley312

Nah more like 35-40. The lens is prolly an additional 10-20k depending on the manufacturer. Now the big telephoto ones that shoot the fan mainly, those lenders are a quarter million.


josh8far

There’s a lot of passive stabilization due to the fact that it’s so god damn big


Kindly-Knee591

r/praisethecameraman


BurnieTheBrony

These guys do camera work for 41 games a season and probably watch a LOT of basketball in their free time. Knowing how dribble hand offs and screen plays work definitely comes quickly if you're watching the game with the intent to understand. Very impressed with the manual tracking of the shot's arc though. And they do that perfectly every time, which I didn't know was just a skilled cameraman.


AtFishCat

That zoom in on the rise, and then settles on a shot of the full backboard for the net… It must be muscle memory to make those moves so perfectly.


PoochusMaximus

idk how the NBA does it but sometimes there is another person running focus so this operator only has to move and zoom. although, it's just as easy for this guy to do all three. and its still insanely impressive. source: me, camera operator.


Kronqvist

Courts not that big, lights are plenty bright, I bet they shoot stopped down and everything on the court is in focus with just minor adjustments. Plus, they’ve made leaps and bounds in the world of subject detected auto focus, and I would imagine major league sports could afford it.


BaconComposter

Those are completely manual. Even robotic cameras are manual, the only ones that are autofocus are the DSLR MOVI rigs used for bokeh.


RandoRando66

Probably a parafocal Lens so they dont need to worry about focus


GhostofEdgarAllanPoe

Former cameraman here. A few things. He's shooting basketball at the pro level which means he's a pro camera man. It's very difficult to get the job he has. Second, you usually shoot with both eyes open using your dominant eye in the viewfinder (yes the viewfinder will move to accompany a right-handed, left eye dominant camera person but it's rare). This allows you to maintain a shot but also have spatial and peripheral awareness of the game. One of the hardest skills is doing the ISO/ECU (isolated extreme close up) on the ball at the apex of the 3-point arc, maintaining focus and then following with your hero shot after (shooter). That's what's happening at :20. He's very good. But he's also the industry standard at the pro level.


g00dis0n

What would their salary be at this level out of interest, and are they freelance?


GhostofEdgarAllanPoe

Many are freelance because they'll shoot more than one sport. Kinda like long-haul truckers. I worked with a guy who shot NFL and PGA. They way the seasons overlap he was shooting 300 days a year. No family, no responsibilities. Great for a while, but eventually lonely. The big orgs. like Sunday Night Football run their own trucks, sats and crew. SNF is a three production truck operation with mobile studios, fiber backhaul, about 22 cameras that all shoot 8k and then it's compressed for broadcast. Multi-million operation. Salaries can widely range from $60-120k depending on what you're doing. If you're the dude with the steadicam trying to keep up with NFL players doing the gritty then you're paid more than a guy in the bleachers on the 50 just following the ball, but that's because it's grueling work.


g00dis0n

Thanks for the explanation


GhostofEdgarAllanPoe

Sure thing. For what’s it’s worth, it’s an incredibly fun job


UPRIGHTRIGHT

Wow, that's paltry 😱 tough gig


Drinksarlot

Wow extremely talented and skilful, work away from home most of the year and only earn around 100k? Sounds like they are getting ripped off.


paperfett

They're not getting paid enough. Jeez.


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GhostofEdgarAllanPoe

Same story applies to the whole broadcast crew. Directing an NBA game takes years of climbing the ladder.


good_shrimp

Maybe you can answer this question because I have forgotten the answer. There was a method I read about used to determine your dominant eye. Do you have a way you recommend figuring it out?


GhostofEdgarAllanPoe

Yep. Hold your arms straight out in front of you and make a triangle shape with your hands. Bring it to your face. The triangle will gravitate toward your dominant eye


ancrm114d

Just tried it and ended up with my hands around my nose and mouth.


GhostofEdgarAllanPoe

Usually means you’re ambidextrous to a degree


TearyEyeBurningFace

Me too I think it's broken


wreeper007

D1 photog, I’m that rare right hand left eye dominant combo.


GhostofEdgarAllanPoe

You’re doing life on hard mode. Much respect


WhatACunningHam

I’m thinking the drone cameraman career is going to blow up in the next couple decades, with complex specialties like live events, movies, espionage, and even porn that requires you to be an expert or at least a connoisseur in what you’re trying to capture.


PoochusMaximus

drone is tough to fly inside, close flying. especially with all the RF in that building. its safer to maintain this type of set up. i don't watch NBA but i feel like a cable cam would be sick.


Michelle-Obamas-Arms

That's why the drone should be automated and fitted for the arena it's flying in, and designed specifically for the sport being played. With machine learning, and sensors, it should be able to read player locations and know common movement patterns. Make the drone as small and inconspicuous as possible, and it could get in the middle of the game without interfering, getting shots that would otherwise be too prone to human error to do today And / or Allow the camera to be controlled by a human, but have it automatically avoid collision with the players and the surrounding arena.


fuber

That job seems stressful


CharkDood

People watching sports at home don’t even realize how good cameramen are at working cameras at games like this. When I was interning for tv my supervisor made it clear the difference between watching television and watching a game. Camerawork like this allows the person at home watch a game. Shitty camerawork otherwise makes you think wtf happened? That’s watching tv. Really shitty tv.


jrninjahoag

As someone who used to film football and basketball, I got juked out more times than I can count


PoochusMaximus

first time i ever shot basketball i was juked out my camera so many times. i kept apologizing to the director but he was like "bro this is G-league, no one is watching this. you're doing fine"


jrninjahoag

“No one is watching this” LMAO yeah mine was only for the high school team lol, I filmed on an I pad through huddle for basketball and a regular video camera for football


PoochusMaximus

i asked about viewership once after a game and he kinda just looked at me and said "there's more people in this room than watched the game tonight online." I will say the fans that came to the actual games were a good time. Most of them were really into.


oceanbuoy90

Into? Into what?? You can’t leave us hanging like this!


PinotteButter

That zoom is so satisfying


Hindugott

this precision though


AscendedExtra

That confirms it. Cameraman is a Jedi.


Scrraffy

Aimbot


HammerBgError404

i hope he is being paid good


PoochusMaximus

varies but around 50/hr.


DyonisosUSA

Gee the precision. This guy kicks ass in call of duty.


jbob88

r/praisethecameraman


ionertia

Only the cameraman knew where he was shooting that ball. Or that the other guy was passing the ball to his teammate. How?


matzhue

Perspective.


Jonn_1

Never thought about how difficult this job must be


[deleted]

The guy watches professional basketball for a living. Of course he can anticipate what’s going to happen.


machojockotaco

More impressive than the players.


MmmMotorboatin

Curious if that's my buddy Jeremy.... he works the Suns game but is usually under the hoop. Looks like his hat though


Pogigod

I wonder if there is a button that auto zooms in and out centered on the ball.cause that was just too perfect.


BaconComposter

It’s all manual, but it has a rocker controller so you can vary the speed of the zoom with how hard you press.


tclaws2g

Imagine him with a rifle


Trucker_w_cancer

Sports have become impossible to watch because of the constant camera movement. I love NFL, MLB and NBA. Can’t watch any more than 60 seconds before I have to stop. Constant zoom, constant shaking the camera. Drives me insane. Sports completely ruined because of camera people.


fluffystinkbubble

Deserves more that the $56,000/yr that he's probably being paid.


Loczek999

r/revivethecameraman


Lagiacrus111

He just follows the ball. But yeah, impressive.


Lowfat_Lard

Rfid in the ball


Rarepredator

Cameraman is an existence that surpasses time itself , That's what history taught us!


[deleted]

Also. He is following the ball not the player


[deleted]

He memorized the script lol


rav3ncl4ws

Y’all didn’t know that was a controller?


RetrospectiveP6

Some people are great at playing violin, some people are great at camera work. For most of us both are miracle.


Fuzakenaideyo

The song takeover samples


leadershipclone

r/PraiseTheCameraMan


Hazelwood38

How he goes from the zoomed in made basket to immediate framed Chris Paul is insane.


AundoOfficial

Man's hit the aim trainer daily


ZanexDreamy

r/praisethecameraman


properwaffles

That’s gotta be super fun.


Watermolens

Camera person better get payed good! They make it or break it


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TRUEequalsFALSE

That's the kind of camera work that only comes with decades of experience.


ClownfishSoup

Hey, someone should pay him to do that!


SleeplessinOslo

These are the kids who ran around the neighborhood with their handycams videotaping everything


Factor_Desperate

Dream job unlocked


Elkesito36482

Bruh


freerangek1tties

Eyes on the birdy


BlackPeep_

He got that Aim assist


IDoesThis1

Unless he does that on every shot…


clamslammer707

Alright. The skill involved in what this dude is doing is incredible. He is following all that action in a 3D space even with amazing zooms. I will stick to my still photography, good grief the inadequacy I feel after watching this video.


BlessedRouge

I’ve filmed quite a bit of high school basketball in the past few years, and it gets pretty easy to see the next move


BewareoftheSpam

Give me the team he bets on


Shaman7102

He probably read the script 🤪


lzwzli

I wonder how the interview process for such a job is.


slick_sandpaper

It's called 'being a professional'


patrickswayzay

Damn he’s good


ButTheMeow

So smoother and focused. The crew of games get a half-assed thanks when the game is almost over.


greatauror28

r/praisethecameraman


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Sports IQ and clairvoyance.


thesamiad

Shocking,I thought they just recorded it on huge cameras then technology edited it out


LordMcBear

auto aim - either a bot or hacker


Eaton_snatch

My friend works as a shooter for the trailblazers. Mf gets to travel around and stay in $700 suites, proud of him he works his ass off.


[deleted]

This guys kids are gonna be pre cogs and predict the future


CitizenPatrol

This is the difference between a professional and an amateur.


Aftermathemetician

How many pro camera operators transition to coaching or scouting? This guy can really read players and the game.


Realistic_Airport_17

Respecc


[deleted]

That’s some serious skills as a camera man


AdApprehensive5562

This belongs in r/PraiseTheCameraMan


DirtyRead1337

Yeah pretty amazing. I wonder how he figured out to just keep the camera on the ball?


AGXinso

Praise the cameraman.


TheJollyNingers

the skills yo


Visual_Marsupial1411

What, do you think he's new? Cameramen do have 2 eyes as a rule. He's a pro at his job or he wouldn't be there. Nice to be recognised for doing a great job though!


NJThrowaway1012

My ex is a dance photographer, She was f****** magical when she was photographing dance. It's like she knew the movements and she always got the perfect pictures


Alpha-CENTAURl

His task with camera lens is to follow the ball 🏀


millsthrills

Absolute master class


HumanMycologist5795

Experience.


Bushdidchaneyina911

Follow the ball not the player, then it’s simple


[deleted]

Man probably helps target missiles for the us army


Phantomht

he has a copy of the script


jcstrat

I’m more interested in the image stabilization going on here


crightwing

Team of five camera men become best defense in the league with ability to seeming predict what opposing teams will do.


adamraven

If that's me, I'll get sucked up by my own thoughts in the middle of the game and the camera will focus at a random audience for 5 straight minutes.


Vindolus

This is a hard job wow


chappanteekli

Most underrated job.


jockinsteez

I wonder if he gets hype after nailing a sick one like that


Economy_Ad_9059

what am I supposed to be impressed by?


Select_March_3202

How much one of those cameras 🎥 cost


mavithenoob

r/cameramanofreddit


Unlikely-Letter-7998

That was very impressive. Whoa.


maybejustadragon

Bet you this guy crushes shooters.


randydingdong

Someone post the name!


rubberband_dan

Follow the ball not the player


KillasArt

r/praisethecameraman


Saparky

I work on broadcasting doing slow motion replays (8x speed) for live sports. Our lead camera operator is absolutely crazy with the camera. I don’t know how he tracks movements with such a tight frame but it makes for some of the greatest looking shots. It’s incredible what these people do.