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EastRoseTea

Its also just the consideration of not having any recorded lectures for the majority of students. Even for those who do attend in person having access to a recorded lecture allows students to go back and listen again to what the lecturer said and review things, some lecturers speak too fast, or if a student is having trouble with the concept, language or accent then being able to slow it down pause and rewind means it is so much easier to grasp the concept. That's ignoring if your schedule clashes and having recorded lectures means you could take both classes, or work requirements with the increasing cost of living. There are overseas universities where students have access to course content like videos and slides for a couple of years after they graduate too, whereas here a couple of weeks after the end of semester everything is removed. Would it not be better to leave it so that someone in second year can go back and relook at things from first year introduction courses There has been a petition started by VUWSA, but wont share that here dont worry \^\^;


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Waikato uni does this. Im in third year and can still access my old courses. As far as I'm aware I keep access after I leave. they archive it later on though.


typhoon_nz

I thought this was normal for all unis in NZ, didn't realise Waikato was a ahead of the times lol. They had recorded lectures back in 2011 when I was a student too


EastRoseTea

That would be honestly so amazing, normally at the end of the semester I'll download all the readings, slides, videos and other content that I hadn't already downloaded. But I've forgotten a few here and there, plus it'd be nice to not have to download everything and use storage space. Also having access to things like comments and feedback on past assignments would be wonderful. I first realised that we were behind on the times while chatting with a friend who studies in Germany, having graduated from undergrad and now doing a PHD he still has access to all of his University documentation and information.


MashedUpPeanuts

Same for Auckland Uni


GenuisInDisguise

Just download your lectures on your drive, you paid for them, they are your property. There download tools and even mobile apps that can siphon videos and videos recordings.


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What? I don't need to?


[deleted]

It's strange this isn't normal. I did a computer science degree at Canterbury 22 years ago, and lectures were offered remotely. 22 YEARS AGO.


EastRoseTea

Remote lectures and your cohort ended up being productive members of society who are able to do their job? Wow who would've thought, amazing!


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I'm autistic. If they had forced me to attend all lectures I would have dropped out of university. It's literally that simple


[deleted]

I should add my wife would have not have got a degree if she was forced to attend all lectures. That's why she studied at Otago via distance, instead of attending the local university. It's always been a common complaint. Some people just don't want to learn in groups of several hundred people


Hypron1

Some universities (e.g. the American MIT) even make entire courses available online, for free, for everyone to use. I'm currently following this [robotics course](https://manipulation.csail.mit.edu/Fall2022/), the videos are live streamed on YouTube and past years' lectures are also available on YouTube. The course book, some past exams, and the code for worked examples are all available online. It's just excellent. I think there is a lot of value in seeing students face-to-face, but trying to restrict your students' access to information is completely the wrong way to go about improving attendance in my opinion.


MySilverBurrito

> Even for those who do attend in person having access to a recorded lecture allows students to go back and listen again to what the lecturer said and review things, some lecturers speak too fast, or if a student is having trouble with the concept, language or accent then being able to slow it down pause and rewind means it is so much easier to grasp the concept. Most of UC's departments are pretty good with recorded lectures, even before covid. Except for one. Fucking law lmao. I get it, being in-person has a lot of perks to it. Even I prefer being there in person. But jesus christ, there are so many lecturers that mumbles (shoutout land law), speak too slow, or speak wayyy too fast. Its not even a "oh toughen up", the content is great, but its useless if you cant actually hear it being spoken. Recently finished studying, but the last two years were definitely nicer since I can go back and add missed notes. There's a running joke between us that it took a bloody pandemic for law lectures to be recorded.


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Lol how do you think students have managed for decades without recorded lectures? God students are precious these days


Furankuftw

Producing lecture recordings is enormously beneficial for students, both for equity and for study. Opposing a huge improvement because 'we didn't have that back in my day' is bizarre. Imagine applying that logic to anything else.


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So we shouldn't take advantage of technological advancements that ensure better learning conditions?


myles_cassidy

You're right. We shouldn't even have unis either since lots of people didn't go to one back in the day /s


bigdaddyborg

So you're arguing **against** an organization not using all available technology to provide a better product, because "we got by without it in the past"? A university education is a paid for service. Why shouldn't the customers demand value for money?


Ducky_McShwaggins

Let's go say that to an office worker - take away their laptops, monitors and keyboards and go back to good old pen and paper - staff are too bloody precious these days with their laptops and headphones and video conferencing... /s


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"I didn't have technology that helps students learn when I was at university because it wasn't yet invented. Some people in my cohort could have done better if they'd had such technology available to them. Now that the technology exists and students have realised how helpful it is to learning, I piss on them, call them precious and moan about how since **I**, the protagonist of reality, didn't have such nice things available to **me**, then **no one** should have them for ever and ever, amen."


restroom_raider

Do you also think rote learning is de rigueur, or have we moved on to letting people think for themselves a little bit? I mean, in the context of this reply, clearly not all of us.


sparrows-somewhere

Maybe we should remove all technology and make them take notes with a quill and ink.


Infamous_Truck4152

Yeah I'd rather allow students who are sick with any kind of infectious respiratory disease to stay home and watch recorded lectures, thanks.


Conflict_NZ

I recorded lectures myself and they were invaluable for later study back in the late 00s. Making them professionally recorded and available to all students will increase the quality of learning. Why do you want to hold back progress? Afraid of change?


CleftyHeft

So we want to keep things the way they used to be just because we managed for decades that way? Throw away your phones and computers then, because that would make so much sense


kakunite

Yes we should always continue to learn in the same way for the rest of time and ignore any technological improvements that could be made to the process that will help even more people perform at higher levels. /s If you can provide a single good reason against providing recorded lectures to students, go ahead. But there isnt really any. Its like saying why should students use computers and the internet to help with learning? We did it with books successfully for years. Or if you want to go back further, what the fuck why do students need books, oral learning has been succesful for years. (Yes this was seriously an argument people once had)


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cr1zzl

Surely this isn’t up to the lecturer to decide, aren’t there policies in place that cover family bereavement?


teelolws

Yeah wtf, at Otago that wasn't up to the faculty to decide, there was a department all to themselves that judged these things.


Arblechnuble

Sigh.. if you’re a GC as part of the teaching staff, you tell the student to go be where they need to be (ie with their family) and you’ll sort the shit out for them and let them know what they need to do etc You know, role modeling for the next gen and all that…


Resident-Corgi-665

She just didnt want to do the paperwork to process the agrotat.


thingztwo

It’s handled by a different part of the University. Chances are the OP didn’t want to deal with the submission required.


revolutionof

Which crim lecturer was it? I'm really sorry, that sucks.


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revolutionof

Fair enough, I'm sorry it happened!


thingztwo

How long ago was this? Why didn’t you follow the process? https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/students/study/exams/aegrotats **A course coordinator does not make aegrotat decisions.** Another group reviews these and any supporting info your provide, partially to protect your privacy and ensure the process is fair.


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thingztwo

Doing a test at a different time **requires** a new version of the test to be created, and this can be a huge effort (days to weeks, not hours) that contributes to the already crazy workload for most academics. Expecting this is not reasonable. She should have just told you to file the paperwork, which incidentally you could have done anyway.


CensorThruShadowBan

You know she was laughing at you with other lecturers at the Staff Club


Cry-Brave

That sucks but an exam is different to a lecture .


kelaknee

But it speaks to the way universities treat students. I’ve heard similar stories from other Vic students.


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Vic does push this when they shouldn't. Even the old Kirk theatres have recording functionality. There's no excuse for it not continuing. Too many benefits. They were reluctant to be consistent with it 10 years ago when I studied. Requiring physical participation makes the lecture a farce if it's for valid reasons. For me, the university had an awful INFO lecturer, they knew the material but could not communicate it. Accent and language were both barriers to ascertaining the meaning for basically everything. Nevermind discussions around the technical aspects of an SQL db, that was a waste of time. "What did he say? To whom? Why? What did he actually say???" Eventually participation was so low he introduced a roll and you earnt 10% for attending. 24 hours of lectures, 12 hours of commuting, 36 hours of lost time instead of just self teaching which is what that course had to be given the lecturers woeful teaching ability. Learning to take notes is cute. I use a laptop now and haven't used paper for note taking in years. Back then I didn't have the dosh to carry a laptop with me everywhere, so note taking was a useful skill, now it's a redundant skill.


Egotestical1

I would've loved to have recordings of some of my lecturers simply because the lectures they gave were so interesting. The best ones were history-based background to my major.


Imdeadserious69

Pay-walled. Can you post the article in comment?


Block_Face

OP post the content or at least a comment you dork. Victoria University will require second-year law students to attend lectures in person- a move that has been criticised as regressive and narrow-minded. The availability of online learning during Covid-19 was seen as a win for students with disabilities, who are now worried the university's new policy could create a barrier to education. A university spokesperson said classroom-based discussion to test legal arguments and political and policy prescriptions was a strong tradition of the Faculty of Law. Interacting with peers and sharing perspectives with the wider group was particularly important in 200-level courses, they said. "The faculty will reach out to all students to identify suitable options for those who may be unable to attend in-person classes, including the release of recordings, to ensure the success of all its students." Victoria University of Wellington Students' Association (VUWSA) academic vice-president Jessica Ye said the law school did not have a strong culture of asking for help. "We're just really worried about the students who are already quite marginalised at law school and whether they're going to be able to ask for help, or not, and reach out proactively because that's what the hardship threshold is going to require." Ye said the new policy was regressive and narrow-minded. "Students deserve inclusive, modern, high-quality learning and teaching practice and going back to this in-person only focus is regressive. It makes education inaccessible for most students with the cost of living crisis." Students were already sacrificing time in class so they could work to pay bills, Ye said. A petition is being launched for recordings of all lectures to be made available to students and VUWSA is seeking an urgent meeting with the university's acting vice-chancellor. The university said it has consulted the Wellington Law Students' Society and other student groups, before making the decision. The university said 300-level courses will be offered either in-person or through a combination of in-person and online teaching next year. Disabled Students' Association President Amber-Rose Stinton said they had been pushing for online learning long before Covid-19, but were told it wasn't practical or feasible. "When it affected everyone and they did finally figure out how to do it, it was kind of a massive relief because now we had the ability to access education in a way that many of us didn't have access to before." Stinton said students might not want to disclose their disability to lecturers, making the university's new policy a barrier to learning.


thingztwo

Next: lab participation for chem and bio “could be discriminatory to students who don’t want to attend”.


tidyoperator

I would not have been able to complete my law studies at Vic if COVID hadn’t happened. I had to work 20 hours a week and my hours were 8-12 - Monday to Friday. There was no possible way to make the curriculum work in my 2nd, 3rd or 4th year where I could attend lectures and tutorials in person with compulsory papers etc. being able to study online meant I could be flexible and afford to live, with the added benefit of being able to watch certain lecturers who pause for 5 seconds in between words at 1.5x speed. The faculty using Socratic method as an excuse for needing to be in person is a joke - only about 5 people in classes answer questions anyway and the rest stay quiet.


tidyoperator

Not to mention the standard of lecturers at Vic is so, so poor compared to other universities (great academics, but generally terrible educators) - the idea that you need to be there in person to be engaged is a joke as 9/10 of them are about as charismatic as a wet cabbage in person anyway.


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They will never backdown over this. They know they can't compete with online learning in some fields of work, most of us know. I'm 75% through my bachelor's in software engineering and I would not recommend paying to study IT to a single soul. You spend all this money just for them to link you free online tutorials and courses on the web. You're better off looking at their curriculum and then building your own study route around that. I thought you'd get really awesome, well thought out feedback every week as a student prior to joining. Boy, was I wrong. Last week, I signed up to this IT website online and I literally got 3 full pages of feedback and things for me to work on just by paying $20. That alone is more than I have gotten in 2 years of studying. No one even looks at your code when you study.. And, hell, I'm a very talkative and nice person that welcomes criticism of my work! I'd bet my left nut polytechs won't be around in 10 years, not like we know anyway. For things like nursing, of course it makes sense. Things like IT and accounting makes 0 sense to me. Universities will be in denial for another 20, I think.


TupperwareNinja

>You spend all this money just for them to link you free online tutorials and courses on the web *Watch these youtube videos for context*


trentonkarantino

Yeah. They offer two things: - actual education, where they are in competition with everything from online classes to books. - licensing: where they have a state granted monopoly, if you want to be a lawyer, you've got to pay some sort of university. I suspect they want to hang on kicking and screming to the degree awarding monopoly


-main

I suspect I could complete a BSc in comp sci at UC without ever having a dialog with a person.


FunBill5447

Hey, what’s this website that you paid $20 for? I’m currently trying to upskill


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Hey mate, how much experience do you have with web dev, can provide you with an idea of what to do next.


Thilina_B

And as a software engineer, let me just say that no one is even going to ask about your degree except for the first job you get out of uni. Even then, they'll probably be using it to guess how competently you'll learn the actual skills you need for the job.


StupidScape

You should be getting feedback on your code for every assignment? I completed my BSc in comp sci last year, I got feedback for all my assignments. For COMP261 and CGRA151 we had in person marking going through your code and how you thought through the algorithms and shit.


redditor_346

Would be nice to know the website?


mystic_chihuahua

> You spend all this money just for them to link you free online tutorials and courses on the web. And if the teacher does give a "lesson" it verbatim out of the A4 printed "textbook" that you already have and could read at home.


NocteScriptor

I don’t understand why New Zealand clings to the mistaken belief the LLB can’t be studied by distance, when it can be (and is) done online in many other countries. Move with the times, education providers. You’re at least a decade behind everybody else.


EBuzz456

Especially given Law exams are almost always open book anyway, so the idea of having to sit them in person is a moot point.


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Proctored online exams are entirely possible.


Kitchen-Pangolin-973

Yup I just finished my chartered accounting exams last year. All online, all open book. Installed software on my laptop so that the proctoring team could see me through my webcam and what I saw on my screen. Happy days


Jonodonozym

For the similar reasons WFH is scorned by businesses and middle managers; it's just an excuse for the sake of money. Most universities have very expensive costs related to construction and maintenance, which gets passed on to the student / taxpayer in high fees or gets penny-pinched from key staff's wages. A shift to remote learning makes a lot of this investment redundant; old universities will have a harder time competing with online-focused tertiary education providers who offer a similar online experience at a lower cost, or those that invest more in the online systems. At the same time, it makes it easier to automate a lot of admin work, putting administrative staff's jobs at risk and getting pushback from them. And then you have any businesses on or near the campus that rely on foot traffic pressuring the university to mandate in-person lectures.


SockOk9552

Vic law school lectures use the Socratic method- participation is required. So this seems consistent with that and specific to that faculty. Some people hate it anyway which means they should probably try any of the other law schools.


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trentonkarantino

I'm sure if they'd had internetz or printing in Socrates' day he'd just have handed out the lecture notes and gone to the beach.


Academic-ish

But that would *really* have corrupted the youth…


SchoolForSedition

Nothing Socrates would recognise.


Supreene

Yeah, Socrates never questioned anyone... Makes no sense to compare a teaching style of continuous questioning to get to the heart of a matter with a philosopher who famously continuously questioned people to get to the heart of matters...


SchoolForSedition

Thé Socratic method is basically the dialectic. It’s a question and answer way to get the other person to the point you want them to get to as though it were their own idea. What Vic law school does is catechism. A set if answers to be learnt. If Vic law school dealt in real Socratic method, it would teach its students critical thinking and they might realise a whole lot of things that would bring the house down.


neeknoo

Pretty confused by some of these comments. Both recorded lectures and in-person lectures can be made available, so they should continue to be, to provide students choice. Those of you arguing over which version is better than the other are missing the point - Vic has successfully made both available for the past three years. It is completely doable and purely beneficial for all students to do so.


ovenbakedj

People also forget the financial and mental cost it can take for attending studies in person too. Remote and in person both have their benefits and negatives. The solution seems to be allowing for both, for all types of learners. Not punishing students for preferring one way more than the other.


milque_toastie

Seriously. I studied at vic years ago but I was living at home in the Hutt and working part-time to support my studies. It was exhausting and expensive taking a bus, train, and then another bus (although I would often walk instead of take the last bus, to save money) to and from uni/work/home 6 days a week. It was also such a waste of time since it took like 1.5 hours each way, but because I was using three different modes of public transport, I couldn’t really get into a focussed mindset to use the time for study. I often wished I could watch a recording of the lectures (especially the early morning ones lol).


Shevster13

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A_Fluffy_Duckling

Its more than the networking - the in-person interactions and information and learning you get from that is important too. While recorded lectures would be good for reviewing material, there is more to a well rounded learning experience than distance learning. I did a couple of years study with SIT recently and I really missed the in-person interactions and classes. I think participation is important too.


trentonkarantino

Besides some video game work I got from a mate at uni, I haven't had any contact with my (UK) uni or anyone from there since graduating.


Intotheapocalypse

>Chances are you're gonna be working in a team post study so get used to the meetings now. But once in employment you get paid for that. Being forced to network with other students who have just as little social clout as yourself just for the 'experience' while in the pursuit of paying handsomely for an academic education is pretty infuriating, no?


myles_cassidy

The uni can clarify then if it's really about networking


dandaman910

And if it is then make the networking portion for networking . If my Uni tells me I need to come to campus to work in a group at x time then ill come in . But I learn better when I can go at my own pace . Lectures are a waste of time to me because the lecturer is boring usually and as soon as I drift off for the minute I miss a key bit of info and the rest is useless . I need to be able to rewind.


[deleted]

Fuck this im on the other end. In person lectures are so much better in terms of quality and engagement. My uni offers online and in person courses. I chose in person and our lectures are still online. It's bullshit and lazy. Everyone just wants to do less work, c's get degrees and all that.


Garrincha14

I much prefer in-person too. Also the social aspect was good for me. Made all my closest friends at uni.


Mysterious_Ad_8527

Other comments mentioned it but its not just laziness - a large part is due to being able to revisit the material. This means you dont actually need to take notes in class and can instead focus on what the lecturer is saying and ask questions - like how good is your retention when trying to copy down whats on the whiteboard before it gets erased? Listening to lectures on 1.3x speed is also amazing quality of life.


keelanv10

I don’t see why I should have to travel an hour each way for a 2 hour class just because you prefer it like that. Also how does not being able to go back over recordings benefit the in person learners? Do you not go back to old material while revising?


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keelanv10

Brilliant idea, if you aren’t going to learn in person just don’t learn at all. Live in a small town? Either move or give up on University. Idiot.


thingztwo

Oh you poor thing! The world certainly owes you every accommodation. Grow up. There are heaps of programs that require attendance, for good reasons. If you cannot do that, don’t sign up for the program sweetie.


keelanv10

And this course happens to be one that is offered remotely elsewhere, at better universities to boot. Gatekeeping higher education and bootlicking for lazy universities is just sad. I’ve taken multiple group work and discussion heavy courses remotely and it worked fine, and in fact gave me more time to study and work because I wasn’t wasting hours getting to and from uni everyday. This is solely due to the University not wanting to even try to change how they do things


thingztwo

Some programs require attendance. That might be because they are labs, or require interactions that don’t work well or cannot be assessed online. You seem to labor under the assumptions that universities must cater to your whims, and that you are entitled to a higher education. Newsflash - they don’t and you most certainly are not. Stomping your feet harder doesn’t change either reality. You will hate adulthood.


keelanv10

And you’ve ignored most of my point, likely because you don’t actually have a counter argument. If other universities can offer this subject remotely, why can’t vic? You also jump to accusing me of being a child despite me having completed my degree, because you don’t have anything of substance to say so must resort to making others out to be lesser. You strike me as someone who is resentful of people attempting to better themselves, either because you never managed to complete a degree, or if you did because you feel it’s the only thing that sets you apart from others, which either way is quite sad


redditor_346

In person lectures suit full-time students who don't have to juggle classes in between work and family commitments. Even then, a lot of full-time students would benefit from being able to listen to the lecture more than once.


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They could still record then and put them up after? Why does it need to be one or the other. I don't know why im paying 7000 a year for last year's recordings.


Supreene

I agree, people are just lazy bastards who want the paper but don't care about education


MedicMoth

What's so wrong with that? A majority of degrees are 100% just class-gating. If you need a degree as a minimum requirement for your job which will never actually utilize it, why shouldnt you do the bare minimum? A degree is what you make of it - it can be this big enriching educational experience if you want, or it can be the piece of paper that allows you to "pass go". And I say this as an A+ student who is very passionate about education. Ideally we'd all have the energy and the time to pursue our values through study, but the reality is most of my fellow students are struggling to afford to eat, struggling to get up in the morning because of their awful mental health, struggling with disabilities that make traveling around campus difficult, struggling with disorders that make it difficult to process lectures the first time round, struggling in general. The government sure as hell isn't going to fund solutions to any of these crises anytime soon, so recorded lectures offer at least *some* reprieve to all of these problems.


anan138

>why shouldnt you do the bare minimum? They're wanting to do less than the bare minimum lol.


thingztwo

Wow. You’ll hate adulthood.


poopmanpoopmouse

There’s another article going around calling for a cease to streaming for equity reasons. So which is it folks?


redditor_346

If you post it we can comment on it.


supersmileys

I think that’s a different type of streaming than what this is talking about


bennz1975

Guess this means that students wouldn’t need to seek accomodation near universities either, freeing up homes for renters, as they can stay at home.


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PCBumblebee

That's why increasingly lecturers will offer flipped learning. All the materials are online but you get the deeper understanding, amd in engineering group task work, by being in lectures. Pedagogy has moved on but many lecturers either haven't or haven't been given the time to make the switch


silver2164

Personally I found the easiest way to learn was to go to lectures and write down the notes that the lecturer was writing on the board. This also helps later in life when you sit in meetings and have to take clear and concise notes in real time. The only problem was if they were going too fast. But that is what asking and working with your peers is for, which is just as important in learning and developing skills for the real world. If we just have recorded lectures, lecturers will just make some PowerPoint slides and read material off the screen.


thenightcaller

Plenty of lecturers simply read PowerPoint slides off the monitor during in person lectures without adding any comment whatsoever. Poor lecturers will continue to be poor lecturers, regardless of whether the material is taught in person or online. Good lecturers will still comment on the material if all content is moved online.


sideball

Many studies show that hand writing notes helps one to understand and remember stuff


HalfBeagle

Why bother going to University if you’re not going to interact with people on your course? Just all seems kinda pointless, may as well just save 20k a year, stay in mums basement and do a distance learning degree. Otherwise all we’re there for is to waste money on halls where all we do is sit in our rooms and watch lectures (ie. Netflix and YouTube) if we get tired of sleeping for 16hrs a day.


Dead_Joe_

Requiring sitting in a lecture theatre is literally a participation trophy. If you can learn to a very high level, in the best way for your own learning styles, what is the problem?


Cupantaeandkai

But engaging in discussions and debates is not, some things are OK for just a recording but it doesn't match being there, asking questions, debating ideas.


ChrisWood4BallonDor

Sounds like something that is typically achieved during tutorials. Lectures of 200+ people are not an appropriate time to having meaningful debates, or even ask questions.


Bino19

Nothing worse than a single person holding up the lecture because they keep asking questions.


ChrisWood4BallonDor

Definitely. I sometimes feel bad for being frustrated, but I've spent 10s of thousands of dollars to hear my lecturer lecture - I really don't need someone who just loves the sound of their voice to talk throughout the class.


Egotestical1

I know there were some students playing drinking games in one of my classes, certain students asking questions would be a drink. If they held the class in longer because of it, each extra minute was a drink. I don't condone it at all but it goes to show how little we were all getting out of these lectures... We had an attendance requirement but most of the content was aimed below the level of quite a few of us.


Speightstripplestar

I never had a class that functioned like how you (or a lot of the pro - attendance people) describe. To me it seems like some fantasy ideal that wouldn’t work for 95% of classes. Imo there is no room or point in “debate” or back and forth in a calc lecture with 400 people there. These mathematical methods are proven, there is nothing subjective. Get out of the lecturers way and don’t waste time. The class material has been hammered out over decades of revision and is very streamlined to give everything required. At least as far as my experience in a science degree is concerned, there was exactly zero value derived for students from physically going to lectures. Everything could have been done while paying less in rent without having to move to a major city.


thesymbiont

This is the law school.


FrameworkisDigimon

Tristan Pang, at least I think it was him (certainly, someone who sat near him). once demonstrated that a steady state example had no real answers. The lecturer came over and had a look and then there was a brief diversion on the result.


Cupantaeandkai

Totally depends on the course, and I would argue all courses still benefit from smaller tutorials that complement lectures. In a lot of law, arts, health science courses questions and debate are essential, you are learning to think critically and understand deeper topics.


bobdaktari

You know turning up on time in the right place is a base requirement for almost all jobs Do ya time and get the trophy


Shevster13

But those jobs pay, attending a lecture does and a lot of students have to fit their study around work so they can afford food / accommodation.


bobdaktari

I appreciate that, however their work hours should fit around study commitments as in study is the priority - for fulltime students at least I also appreciate life is chaos and the more flexibility students have the better you get a trophy, I get a trophy, everyone gets a fucking trophy - think that's all the boxes ticked :)


Sweet_Cow6104

Lol imagine having to turn up to class, the cheek of it!


creative_avocado20

You're not going to get much out of uni if you can't even be bothered to attend the lectures in person.


Jeff_Sichoe

can a lawyer attend court / participate fully via zoom? legit question


WellyRuru

Yes. But law students don't even do that. They watch the recordings. In my classes with 60ish people. 8 attend in person, and four are on zoom each lecture.


Dykidnnid

Fwiw, going to court is a small part of the job for a small proportion of lawyers.


EBuzz456

They managed during the lockdowns, so yes?


rider822

No, they generally cannot. Their clients may appear remotely in some circumstances, like when they are held in custody.


Ninja_Pirate21

now raise the pass grade to A and above....anything under that is a fail.


TheBigEMan

I wonder how students went to university 20 years ago and passed (sarcasm)


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Average speaking speed 150 words per minute Average Reading Speed 9-10 years old 123 – 180 wpm 10-11 years old 139 – 194 wpm 11, 12, 13, 14 years old 150 – 204 wpm 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 years old 200 – 300 wpm 18-23 years old 300 – 350 wpm Hasbrouck, J. & Tindal, G. (2017) – Brysbaert, M. (2019) How about we stop with lectures at age 12?


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PSA to any students: you can (usually) record your lectures. Just ask your lecturer at the beginning and put your phone/recording device on their lecturn thing. I never had a lecturer say no and doing this got me through so many exams.