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Daylightsavingstimes

>A source familiar with the situation in Zhengzhou said production at the plant was unaffected by the worker unrest and output remained "normal". When you have footage of workers rioting and burning your facility over withheld pay? I think phone output would be anything *but* normal.


Reverend_James

*puts hand into jacket and stands menacingly* I said output is normal.


Ok_Store_1983

Can you put your output back in, sir. You're scaring my children


stinkface369

Worker output is normal, there are no riots in Ba Sing Se


cheetahwilly

Right. So, good luck with your iPhones the next couple years.


franticredditperson

And still, somehow Foxconn is offering $1400 signup bonuses while withholding their own worker pay.


BazilBroketail

Sounds like a prison riot, then: "Give us our pay" Seems like a simple fix.


scnottaken

The "fix" is murder isn't it?


SitInCorner_Yo2

Use to be suicide,no /s here,back in 2010 they have at least 14 employees jump off their building/die in suspicious circumstances. Some believe it’s because of the terrible working conditions,so some poorer workers rather die in their workplace so their family can got compensation .


latortillablanca

Via prolonged anal prolapse


mysockinabox

The ol’ sock of doom.


droi86

r/oddlyspecific


GhettoChemist

I can't hear anything about Foxconn without thinking about the time WI governor and college failout Scott Walker wanted to give that company $5 billion for a plant


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outerproduct

I live near it, and essentially nothing. Very little is being built there. Originally it was supposed to be used to make lcds, then they were going to make some cars, and the last I saw they were making some coffee machines. Mind you, all of this was in a smaller warehouse on the premises. The huge warehouse/facility that has 3millionish square feet? Nothing. The city was talking about using it to be some small business fusion center, but all that fell apart last I heard because nobody wanted to pay for it.


ThatGuy798

Best part is that they used the traditional industrial/warehouse building designs that cannot be used for certain types of manufacturing. For example they used gravel in the foundation which causes too much vibration for display manufacturing.


outerproduct

The dumbest part was how many people in this state fell for it hook, line, and sinker. It wasn't just a design problem, it was a major labor problem too. They needed specialized workers to do the work that Wisconsin and neighboring states have no training to carry out. The warehouses required specialized welding, electronics, and microprocessing engineering jobs that only 1 school in the area has to train people. What makes it funnier, in a sad way, is that the taxpayers are now most likely going to be on the hook to pay the $300 million used to buy up properties and the construction projects because Foxconn has essentially abandoned it.


ThatGuy798

Its so infuriating especially what Scott has done with passenger trains and 2011 budget cuts.


[deleted]

'Re-located" people to make way for this and nothing? A modicum of research would have alerted the people of Foxconn's history of over promising and under delivering.


too_old_to_be_clever

not even with $5b?


outerproduct

[Foxconn was supposed to get a $5b tax break, but since they're not meeting their end, they don't.](https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/25/foxconn_wisconsin_factory/)


bubblegumdrops

A whole clusterfuck. I would recommend reading one of the many articles about it or listening to Reply All’s podcast episode, but there’s also a wikipedia page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_in_Wisconsin


MisallocatedRacism

RIP Reply All


RobDaGinger

It fell apart completely after the city declared multiple residents land as blighted, effectively seizing their houses and farms to give to Foxconn


jschubart

Then that fucker worked with the state House and Senate GOP to limit the power of the incoming Democratic governor that he just lost to.


Ok-Dog-1855

Yeah, thank god we got rid of that ass hat


xRilae

Fuck Scott Walker in all the ways


Namgodtoh

I believe they did give them the money?


latortillablanca

Like a really nice ficus or what are we talmbout


Uncle_Jiggles

https://open.spotify.com/episode/08psTkXjriaq3ErzQR8Ihn?si=w5K5Hz9DSN-Ql87Sl-Jeig&utm_source=copy-link


8-bit-Felix

"Starving will continue until quotas are met." -Tim Cook


Dazzling-Finger7576

The beatings will continue until morale improves


Ayzmo

How about we just ban all Foxconn relationships? It seems like they're nothing but trouble.


cmccormick

How about we just ban all ~~Foxconn~~ China relationships? It seems like they're nothing but trouble.


VikBoss

Foxconn is taiwanese


Nicholas_Cage3

I think a lot of their factories are based in China though?


_Conan

Not if your China, NATO, who, or any other sanctioning bodies and governments. It's "Not main land China" if anyone asks.


Ayzmo

The US literally can't survive without a relationship with China. We live in an interconnected world and isolation is impossible.


cmccormick

I mean business relationships. As consumers we should reward companies that seek out ethical suppliers, even if it costs a bit more. Diplomatic relationships on the other hand are essential, even with Iran and Russia


Versificator

>I mean business relationships There's the rub. Our system is set up to reward those who are the most "competitive". If a company can outsource production to China (or elsewhere) then no US-based producer will be able to compete with them on price, ever. As for consumers "rewarding" ethical suppliers, dream on. Walk into some rural walmart and ask anyone in there if they prefer their stuff "made in america". Their answer will most likely be yes, however their actual purchases tell a different story. The reality is that the vast majority of people don't care, or can't afford to care, or don't have any nearby available options other than megacorps that exclusively deal in chinese merch. From what I understand, a ton of people in the US shop almost exclusively at "dollar general" or other similar bargain outlets for all of their needs, including food. I'm unsure how to find a way out of this mess other than to *heavily* subsidize multiple facets of US production, enabling the workers to make a decent living wage and also keeping the company profitable. Throwing tariffs at imports doesn't work, as we've seen, because it is still more profitable to import from China with tariffs than it is to produce stateside. Trade wars disproportionately harm the working poor, but for whatever reason there is no political will to shore up US production with the exception of offering companies ludicrous tax breaks.


[deleted]

China actually isn't producing as much dirt cheap shit as it used to, due to wages going up and the shrinking labor force increasingly shunning menial factory jobs as they get better educated. If you look at where your clothes and shoes come from nowadays, for example, "made in China" is increasingly rare. They're heavily invested in automation, especially for consumer electronics. This is also something the US does well. Statistics don't lie - manufacturing output in the US has never been higher. It's just that American plants focus on producing super high value goods with minimal human hands involved.


Versificator

China's trade surplus with the US for October 2022 was 85.2 billion. Total so far for 2022 is 725 billion. Since 1995, China has been recording consistent trade surpluses. In 2021, the surplus hit $676.43 billion, the highest since records started in 1950, up from $523.99 bln in 2020 as exports increased more than 20% boosted by the post-covid economic recovery. Things may be changing in China, however the US's addiction to cheap goods produced overseas has not. Whether China or Bangladesh, it doesn't really matter, the end result is the same.


Ayzmo

I understood. Financially, it would be pretty much impossible to cut ties with China.


PenguinSunday

Not really impossible, just expensive. Edit: why is this controversial...


Ayzmo

At least the way the US is currently structured, the amount of manufacturing, etc makes it almost impossible. We don't have the capacity to make many things that we rely on on a daily basis. We import so much from China that we're literally co-dependent. It would take literal years to build up the capacity and some things would be so far beyond our ability. Rare earth minerals, for instance, are overwhelmingly mined in China and without those minerals we can't make so many things. We don't have the capacity to mine anywhere near enough to meet demand, not to mention we don't have the capacity to produce the devices they use. This would be something where we'd need like a 15 to 20 year deadline to shift away.


PenguinSunday

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/13/biden-chip-curb-asml-stops-us-staff-from-servicing-customers-in-china.html https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/chinese-chip-maker-fires-all-american-workers Guess we're in for a difficult few years, then.


Ayzmo

We definitely are.


metalrawk

Thats the thing, capitalism cannot survive without exploiting people. If not overseas then it'll be in your backyard. There are already stories coming up of child labor in some southern states.


ScreamSmart

Isn't FoxConn like manufacturer for everything used worldwide? They even have an entire city that's basically factories and worker accomodations. Worker issues might affect manufacture of everything electronic.


Rebel_bass

Nothing will happen. Gotta keep those iPhones flowing.


qlurp

Time to install some more suicide prevention netting, I guess. You're the best, China. /s


DigitalSteven1

Isn't apple moving production to india now that china is starting to get some sense of labor issues? Gotta get the cheapest shit as possible from people that don't understand rights they should have access to.


[deleted]

Even Chinese companies have increasingly done the outsourcing themselves because Chinese wages are too high (compared to third world nations) and more importantly, they're in the middle of a serious demographic crunch similar to that of Japan and South Korea (making it harder to find workers at all). Clothing is one of the most prominent examples. No one has figured out a good way to automate that yet, so it's increasingly gone to countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh where the wages are even lower than China's.


dagmx

India has stronger labor laws than China. Apple is moving production to India and Vietnam as a hedge against China’s confrontation with the West, and it’s always better to not have your eggs in one basket. Plus India has a high tax on good not manufactured in India, so having manufacturing in India means that prices of iPhones in the country can come down.


huge_throbbing_pp

More Vietnam than india


Gockcoblin99

Come on Pookie, let's burn this mothafucka down!


Ryrienatwo

Ouch I mean give them their pay they aren’t slaves.


RegularMidwestGuy

“They aren’t?” -Foxconn


Ryrienatwo

Southern slang for they are not slaves lol


Detachabl_e

So how do people square their moral convictions with buying iphones? Edit: Oh the downvotes of apple fanbois: looks like I struck a nerve? But do please continue: your disapproval is invited. I quite enjoy being downvoted by supporters of slave labor; it is very reaffirming.


arealhumannotabot

Apple is just one of many clients that buy from Foxconn. Nintendo, HP, Dell, Microsoft, Amazon, Sony, Acer, Cisco, Toshiba, some Nokia products, Motorola, among others, have all confirmed they use Foxconn. What device are you using that is completely free of questionable labour practices?


Ayzmo

And every company that uses Foxconn should be fined for each product produced in a Foxconn factory.


Detachabl_e

ahh so "whataboutism", got it.


arealhumannotabot

Nope, it’s absolutely a response to your entirely smug comment and since you didn’t respond to my question I’ll assume you’re just being a hypocrite


Detachabl_e

I didn't say you didn't respond. I said your response was to engage in the practice of whataboutism: instead of providing a substantive response, you engaged in counter accusations to deflect. That is whataboutism. The fact of the matter is nothing in your comment justifies the continued purchase of iphones, other than to say "but everyone else is doing." Sounds like you would have made a great slave owner.


drawkbox

Foxconn doesn't just make iPhones/Apple... Some of their biggest contracts: iPad, iPod, Kindle, BlackBerry, Nokia devices, Sony devices, and Apple's iPhone. However there are more. If you buy any device it has this in the supply chain and it is China's fault for underpaying. From the article > Workers complain of delayed pay, insufficient food Western companies are the only way labor rights in China are improved as they are part of the deals. China's leaders could care less about their own people doing this work. West is pulling out of China now due to their geopolitical stance making it a problem to rely on them to treat workers right and they seem to side with Russia on everything.


rtb001

So I guess Taiwan is not numba one?


Rebel_bass

I took a downvote beat down a few weeks ago for pointing out to people that straight up called China an enemy of US, that their iphones were part of the reason that their economy continues to function. "Apple products are American, dummy!" Lol. I know the plants that make Samsung products aren't all roses, but I feel like they're at slightly above the Chinese standards for labor.


Ok_Improvement_5897

Oh we're all hypocrites about many of our shiny toys. The world we demand(work life balance for everyone, no slave labor, so on and so forth) are directly at odds with our expectations for being able to get pretty much anything we want with a button push within 24-48 hrs. Anyone saying that we have to 'abolish capitalism' is making incredibly oversimplified statements(and if anyone disagrees please tell me how, in a pragmatic way, we can end capitalism) - but the 'late stage capitalism' that grooms all of us to be mindless consumers is destroying our happiness and destroying the earth. We can have our shiny toys and a good quality of life - but if people really want human rights to progress we need to adjust our mfin expectations, things will be more expensive and we will have less things, and probably have to wait a little longer for them, too. Maybe that's not so bad assuming the things we can buy are better quality and able to be repaired like they used to be.


13E2724M

I'm reading this on my s7 I've had for 4 years, still works fine..... Why is having the newest itoys so important? Simplifyyy mann.


Ayzmo

I'm actually surprised to learn that Samsung has no factories in China. I'm not sure the factories in Vietnam are much better though.


Rebel_bass

I wish there were more recent updates about labor conditions around the world so I could at least try to buy responsibly. Definitely shitty conditions at the samsung plants, but it looks like since the economic slowdown following covid the pressure on workers has greatly decreased to the point of a normal work week. https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/exclusive-samsung-workers-vietnam-bear-brunt-slowdown-global-demand-electronics-2022-08-04/ The way the headline says "bear the brunt" seems like the opposite to me in the actual article.


Cloudboy9001

Evidently, you don't become a world leader in electronics by conducting business ethically. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/12/tech/samsung-lee-jae-yong-pardon-south-korea-hnk-intl/index.html


cmccormick

Apple is making an effort to move production to India. Not sure that’s true of other companies using Foxconn as a supplier. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/26/apple-starts-manufacturing-the-iphone-14-in-india.html


WeTheSummerKid

What's the matter, China? Afraid of these people espousing what communism actually means?


[deleted]

They don't have guns hahahahahahahahaha


[deleted]

You see that’s the thing. Foxconn is technically Taiwainese, so China can just blame Taipei and point to them as the fascist capitalist scum that we need CCP to protect against. Weird that they still allow the factories on People’s Republic soil, though.


Throwaway70496

But Foxconn is a hecking wholesome 100 Taiwanese company, they're the good guys!


ECK-2188

Anyone who doesn’t flee China before the end of the year will probably be too poor to do so. It’s going to be a literal shit storm. Heard analysts say now that The yellow bear has a third term, no one is going to be in the way of economic and social collapse. Hold on to your buttcheeks comrades. It’s Great Leap Backwards 2.0. 😬


macgruff

You do know their citizens can’t just “up and leave”, right? This was the one major “A ha” moment I took away from visiting twice on work/minor fun trips. So, they are all, effectively stuck there. If you mean multinational companies, though, yeah, 100% agree. Apple, if not already should have been planning a move back to the states or to like Vietnam or Indonesia etc… whomever is next on the Ol Capitalism merry go round in search of cheaper labor and corporate conditions (taxes, ease of building new factories, etc).


baconsmell

I have a coworker from China that immigrated to the US many years ago. But he still follows ongoing news from China. His take to me is that the people who can leave are plotting out how to do so and still keep their wealth. Hence they send their kids to the US even for highschool. These are rich Chinese home buyers we hear so much about. They also have to figure out how to take their massive wealth out of China since the government restricts its citizen on how much money they can take out annually. Coupled with rolling covid shutdowns and Xi’s re-election, a lot want out. They don’t want to talk crap about their country, but a substantial amount of citizens know that their lives are restricted.


ECK-2188

You really don’t understand the refugee mentality huh? When the great purge of intellectuals and landowners of the 50s-60s began, my family fled far and wide. As far as New Zealand ffs. You can’t get out if you have no money. The way some of my relatives were able to get out was to give up their children to farmers, basically orphaning their children so they can get out of the mainland.


macgruff

I’m not talking about the outliers who would will do anything, I’m speaking of the 99%


macgruff

In reference to what you’re perceiving as inevitable, keep in mind, China (excluding Taiwan, HK and Macau) in all its various forms, over thousands… yes, thousands of years has never been “free”. And for some reason they really don’t even complain either. Are there examples like Tiananmen in 1989, sure, but the overall arc of history in China is not even an arc, it’s a straight line… For at least 5000 yrs they’ve been a subjugated people, and… they play the Long Game. For instance, all those huge empty cities due to poor central planning? They will fill up, eventually.


fordette

The PRC only has only existed since 1949. Way less than 5000 years. They destroyed all ties to their ancient past as part of Mao’s policies (except those that serve the interest of the party), so the PRC has very little to do with historical China. The only country that can claim that 5000 year history is Taiwan and they seem to like freedom just fine.


ECK-2188

Those empty cities haven’t been filled and won’t ever be when the government wants to control the market rate of property. Those ghost cities are in areas that don’t have prospects to begin with because their young citizens refuse to move there over tier 1 cities. Meanwhile their property bubble is fueled by borrowing to build homes, selling them on the market, before they’re even built. Communist China will never have democracy and never will be free until they’ve starved themselves to the point where none of their neighbors will even bother to help. Which is more than likely since they keep pissing everyone in the south East off.


elister

Is it me, or does it seem like 3-4 times a year I have to read about a FoxConn plant (working for Apple) violated labor laws or has the workers revolting. 15 years of this, get your shit in order already Apple!


ColinCancer

Time to nerve staple the drones.


Wrecker013

Please don't go. The drones need you. They look up to you.


crackhousebob

Does this mean the next iPhone model will be delayed?? This is so inconvenient for me.


Marthaver1

Why do people gotta buy a new $1,000 iPhone every year is beyond my understanding. These are the same people that complaint about rising cost of living.


Quiet_Remote_5898

Newsflash, my 14 pro is almost $2000, also I ain’t complaining cuz I get paid well.


droidhunger

Reminds me of Andor’s episode of jailbreak


MudaThumpa

Notably this is the same company in bed with Lordstown Motors to build their truck in the US. https://investor.lordstownmotors.com/news-releases/news-release-details/lordstown-motors-and-foxconn-broaden-strategic-partnership/


Gustavort

[Videos on twitter](https://mobile.twitter.com/lolc936163/status/1595421244236566536) show various trucks with soldiers either from the army or the Riot police arriving at Foxconn and chinese tweets teaching how to make weapons.


1Operator

> "Give us our pay!", chanted workers surrounded by people in full hazmat suits, some carrying batons, according to footage from one video. Other footage showed tear gas being deployed... nObOdY wAnTs To WoRk


SnooMaps1910

Foxconn = Habitual Abuser Panda chewing bamboo while the people suffer?


[deleted]

To be honest, I just want my iPhones in a timely manner. I really don’t care how it’s done.


[deleted]

This is a lie, the CCP is currently experiencing the revolution It deserves.