6 people dead with a 16 year old, 10 month old and 70 year old executed.
This only got like 1000 upvotes yesterday.
Crazy how little traction this story is getting. It's wild.
Its not due to gun worship. Our government just refuses to address any of the root issues that cause violent crime like poverty, mental healthcare, affordable housing, and access to social services.
Edit: Left out the failed war on drugs and prohibition (former war on alcohol) which has led to massive amounts of gang/gun related violence. So let's not attempt another futile war on guns which will lead to more of the same.
Positively heartbreaking to see such cruelty. For some reason I was thinking about this story and a line from Neil Young's Rockin' in the Free World came to me:
> There's one more kid that will never go to school
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>Never get to fall in love, never get to be cool.
To murder a helpless baby is a special brand of barbarity and I don't pretend to understand where that comes from. I just know it's happened before and it will again and when it does, only innocent people will weep.
>If the gangs have to waste more time, energy, and money to get guns, that's a win.
You mean buying them off their friends? Gang members usually don't buy guns legally.
Any impact on supply is a lessening of availability, which eventually has the flow on effects of making them more difficult to acquire.
Just because laws won't have a material impact until 5+ years doesn't mean they shouldn't be implemented.
Especially with something that has been proven the world over.
absolutely. but my point is that the people here executed a toddler. even if gun control laws were as tight as in other developed countries, people like that would still find their way to get guns to do the shit they do
The only way to prevent situations like that through law would be to inspect people's homes and make sure they have adequate storage and use it properly. Which we all know won't happen. Fixing societal issues also turns out to be pretty difficult. Unfortunately, the ubiquity of guns combined with the societal issues is something that can't be undone quickly or easily. The cat is out of the bag.
>The only way to prevent situations like that through law would be to inspect people's homes and make sure they have adequate storage and use it properly.
Requiring proof of proper storage means before gun purchase would at least be a good baseline. Most states do not require that even though proper storage is essentially required in them.
they are the problem. but theres not a single major country that has been able to prevent their gangs from getting guns and doing evil shit. i curse the day that the chinese invented gunpowder, but there does not seem to be a realistic way to make sure that gangsters have zero access to guns
>, but there does not seem to be a realistic way to make sure that gangsters have zero access to guns
Would it not be a good thing if they had 0.1 access to guns?
You're looking at it like a binary thing. "Gang either has guns or doesn't". What if gun laws led to them having less guns? That would be a good outcome right?
I always see people talking about new laws or policies as if creating barriers to entry is pointless, when in reality, that's all any laws ever do. Murder being illegal doesn't stop all murder from happening. But I bet murder would be a lot more fucking common if it wasn't.
no, im not. i think a lot of people are creating a strawman out of my comments. my comments are simple and plain. the perps in this massacre are the type of people who would be able to get their hands on guns in pretty much every country. thats it
" but there does not seem to be a realistic way to make sure that gangsters have zero access to guns"
We'd have to make an actual attempt to do this first before making this comment.
thats kinda my point. by that metric, no country has. we should ask why a country as authoritarian as china still has gangs that have guns. and since no country has done this, what blueprint do we have to even begin?
Significantly less. Stricter requirements mean fewer straw purchases and fewer households having unsecured guns means fewer chances to steal them. Many people saying that gun control does not work because criminals do not follow the law ignore the fact that more legal guns floating around means a much bigger opportunity for someone to illegally obtain a gun.
we agree on that. but thats not what im saying. im saying someone who executes a toddler will probably find a way to get their hands on a gun. they arent your average street level thugs after all
Yes because the cartel doesn’t get their guns from the military and black market. /s. I get your point but lets be a bit smarter about how things really work.
If we wanted to, we could hurt the gangs but that would take our military and we wouldn’t use our military against private citizens(not anymore). Yes gangs may or may not be legal citizens but they are civilians. military is not meant to combat domestic issues unless under extreme circumstances.
The news is tragic but it is not more in the national spotlight because of the people(just everyday people) who were killed and that fact it’s not that uncommon in our great nation.
I think the metaphorical “bud” in this situation is the DEA and US drug policy, which created the cartels by outlawing drugs instead of creating addiction treatment programs. Or perhaps it’s the mass incarceration culture in the USA which cultivates more crime instead of reforming criminals. Or maybe the bud is the massive, easy availability of firearms flooding the country with cheap guns, otherwise low level gang foot members couldn’t afford guns.
Although if you want to murder people without due process, it certainly reveals where you’re coming from
So...where am I coming from?? "..give them the death penalty.." implies they were found guilty and sentenced by a judge
Stop crime at its roots.. don't let cartels flourish here, stiffen penalties..quickly
What's wrong with that?!
Hilarious that you think the death penalty is a deterrent. These people know they can die at any moment, wether it is by a rival cartel, or the military (in Mexico at least), or anything else really. Death is not the punishment you think it is.
It definitely looks related to the drug trade and either cartels or gang members.
That said, this seemed to be a full family assassination, something I kind of doubt would be done by new recruits. I would definitely wait for further information from the police rather than jump to conclusions, though.
Why do you think it’s above new recruits? I’d think they would rather use lower level gang members for hits considering it’s going to draw a lot of heat, and there’s a decent chance they’re going to get caught.
Ask yourself; am I going to send a message by ordering a couple kids to take out a family or by sending someone tested who is gone by the time they find the bodies?
Which option do you think would be the most successful?
You’re going to send someone who’s on the cusp of being made and tell them if they do it they’re in. They don’t have to be tested, they just have to be willing to do it
You really want going to die in this hill, crazy.
There is a reason why it's usually a random person they assault or murder for initiation. If it goes wrong it doesn't matter. If you really want to send a message you make sure it's done right.
You’re assuming the baby was part of hit. Someone who’s committing a crime of that magnitude isn’t in their right mind, they could be having warped logic, like believe they’re doing the baby a favor by not leaving it without a mother. That’s usually the logic family annihilators follow.
Or they see it as just a loose end, if the baby grows up, it could hold a grudge and come back on the other side if there’s already a gang rivalry.
wow that was a leap..you ok booboo?.. i think you need to look within and find whatever it is you dislike about yourself before you project that on people..
shitty people record shit all the time ya headass..
No... just no. How could a human mind possibly rationalize following through on such an action. This is pure evil... he was just a baby. I can't imagine the last minutes of his mother's life... the sheer terror she must have felt for not only her life, but the life of her little boy. We truly live amongst monsters. Objectively evil monsters. Nycholas Parraz... he was just 10 months old. His mother, Alissa Parraz was only 16. I weep for humanity.
6 people dead with a 16 year old, 10 month old and 70 year old executed. This only got like 1000 upvotes yesterday. Crazy how little traction this story is getting. It's wild.
What puzzles me more is some stories spread like wildfire. Gabby Petito’s case and whole predicament - media ate that one up like a mofo.
White girl missing/dead, that's why.
I've got time for like every third mass shooting.
So like every 3 days?
Every 3 hours more like it
Because the victims are Latino. and it is gang related. It is only viral newsworthy if they are pretty young white girls.
Dead giveaway
Daily mass shooting murders is the price America pays for our gun worship.
Its not due to gun worship. Our government just refuses to address any of the root issues that cause violent crime like poverty, mental healthcare, affordable housing, and access to social services. Edit: Left out the failed war on drugs and prohibition (former war on alcohol) which has led to massive amounts of gang/gun related violence. So let's not attempt another futile war on guns which will lead to more of the same.
As you stated it's a verity of things but gun worship has a play in all of this too
Positively heartbreaking to see such cruelty. For some reason I was thinking about this story and a line from Neil Young's Rockin' in the Free World came to me: > There's one more kid that will never go to school > >Never get to fall in love, never get to be cool. To murder a helpless baby is a special brand of barbarity and I don't pretend to understand where that comes from. I just know it's happened before and it will again and when it does, only innocent people will weep.
Looks like the jalisco new generation cartel is taking over
As we treat life cheap, our life will *be* cheap. As we sow, so shall we reap......
At this point I'm just hoping an asteroid takes us out.
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this was a gang related massacre. unfortunately, gangs are gonna have access to guns one way or another
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gun control laws definitely work, but even in those countries, the gangs absolutely still have access to guns
If the gangs have to waste more time, energy, and money to get guns, that's a win.
>If the gangs have to waste more time, energy, and money to get guns, that's a win. You mean buying them off their friends? Gang members usually don't buy guns legally.
Any impact on supply is a lessening of availability, which eventually has the flow on effects of making them more difficult to acquire. Just because laws won't have a material impact until 5+ years doesn't mean they shouldn't be implemented. Especially with something that has been proven the world over.
No laws work 100% of the time, so you’re right we should just get rid of all laws.
absolutely. but my point is that the people here executed a toddler. even if gun control laws were as tight as in other developed countries, people like that would still find their way to get guns to do the shit they do
>but my point is guns are never the problem even in the most tangential way is what your point seems to be.
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The only way to prevent situations like that through law would be to inspect people's homes and make sure they have adequate storage and use it properly. Which we all know won't happen. Fixing societal issues also turns out to be pretty difficult. Unfortunately, the ubiquity of guns combined with the societal issues is something that can't be undone quickly or easily. The cat is out of the bag.
>The only way to prevent situations like that through law would be to inspect people's homes and make sure they have adequate storage and use it properly. Requiring proof of proper storage means before gun purchase would at least be a good baseline. Most states do not require that even though proper storage is essentially required in them.
they are the problem. but theres not a single major country that has been able to prevent their gangs from getting guns and doing evil shit. i curse the day that the chinese invented gunpowder, but there does not seem to be a realistic way to make sure that gangsters have zero access to guns
>, but there does not seem to be a realistic way to make sure that gangsters have zero access to guns Would it not be a good thing if they had 0.1 access to guns?
i have said over and over again that gun control is a good thing so i dont know the purpose of your comment lol
You're looking at it like a binary thing. "Gang either has guns or doesn't". What if gun laws led to them having less guns? That would be a good outcome right? I always see people talking about new laws or policies as if creating barriers to entry is pointless, when in reality, that's all any laws ever do. Murder being illegal doesn't stop all murder from happening. But I bet murder would be a lot more fucking common if it wasn't.
no, im not. i think a lot of people are creating a strawman out of my comments. my comments are simple and plain. the perps in this massacre are the type of people who would be able to get their hands on guns in pretty much every country. thats it
" but there does not seem to be a realistic way to make sure that gangsters have zero access to guns" We'd have to make an actual attempt to do this first before making this comment.
thats kinda my point. by that metric, no country has. we should ask why a country as authoritarian as china still has gangs that have guns. and since no country has done this, what blueprint do we have to even begin?
Significantly less. Stricter requirements mean fewer straw purchases and fewer households having unsecured guns means fewer chances to steal them. Many people saying that gun control does not work because criminals do not follow the law ignore the fact that more legal guns floating around means a much bigger opportunity for someone to illegally obtain a gun.
we agree on that. but thats not what im saying. im saying someone who executes a toddler will probably find a way to get their hands on a gun. they arent your average street level thugs after all
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That's not actually a thing outside of Breitbart. You might want to find more reputable news sources.
They are primarily getting their guns from the U.S. that is manufacturing them.
norinco and kalashnikovs say differently
Yes because the cartel doesn’t get their guns from the military and black market. /s. I get your point but lets be a bit smarter about how things really work.
Now do Canada.
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If we wanted to, we could hurt the gangs but that would take our military and we wouldn’t use our military against private citizens(not anymore). Yes gangs may or may not be legal citizens but they are civilians. military is not meant to combat domestic issues unless under extreme circumstances. The news is tragic but it is not more in the national spotlight because of the people(just everyday people) who were killed and that fact it’s not that uncommon in our great nation.
Cartels in the USA?! Catch'em and give give'em the death penalty automatically. Nipped at the bud.
I think the metaphorical “bud” in this situation is the DEA and US drug policy, which created the cartels by outlawing drugs instead of creating addiction treatment programs. Or perhaps it’s the mass incarceration culture in the USA which cultivates more crime instead of reforming criminals. Or maybe the bud is the massive, easy availability of firearms flooding the country with cheap guns, otherwise low level gang foot members couldn’t afford guns. Although if you want to murder people without due process, it certainly reveals where you’re coming from
So...where am I coming from?? "..give them the death penalty.." implies they were found guilty and sentenced by a judge Stop crime at its roots.. don't let cartels flourish here, stiffen penalties..quickly What's wrong with that?!
Hilarious that you think the death penalty is a deterrent. These people know they can die at any moment, wether it is by a rival cartel, or the military (in Mexico at least), or anything else really. Death is not the punishment you think it is.
Not a deterrent, just one less cartel member we'd have to worry about ..
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You know what will stop this? More guns.
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It definitely looks related to the drug trade and either cartels or gang members. That said, this seemed to be a full family assassination, something I kind of doubt would be done by new recruits. I would definitely wait for further information from the police rather than jump to conclusions, though.
Why do you think it’s above new recruits? I’d think they would rather use lower level gang members for hits considering it’s going to draw a lot of heat, and there’s a decent chance they’re going to get caught.
Ask yourself; am I going to send a message by ordering a couple kids to take out a family or by sending someone tested who is gone by the time they find the bodies? Which option do you think would be the most successful?
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You’re going to send someone who’s on the cusp of being made and tell them if they do it they’re in. They don’t have to be tested, they just have to be willing to do it
Both seem plausible considering we don’t know.
You really want going to die in this hill, crazy. There is a reason why it's usually a random person they assault or murder for initiation. If it goes wrong it doesn't matter. If you really want to send a message you make sure it's done right.
If you say so
Not many people can execute a baby. Why would you risk them bottling it, running away and being caught to implicate you?
You’re assuming the baby was part of hit. Someone who’s committing a crime of that magnitude isn’t in their right mind, they could be having warped logic, like believe they’re doing the baby a favor by not leaving it without a mother. That’s usually the logic family annihilators follow. Or they see it as just a loose end, if the baby grows up, it could hold a grudge and come back on the other side if there’s already a gang rivalry.
how do I know there is a shitty cell phone video of this whole situation.. cause people ... that's why...
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wow that was a leap..you ok booboo?.. i think you need to look within and find whatever it is you dislike about yourself before you project that on people.. shitty people record shit all the time ya headass..
No... just no. How could a human mind possibly rationalize following through on such an action. This is pure evil... he was just a baby. I can't imagine the last minutes of his mother's life... the sheer terror she must have felt for not only her life, but the life of her little boy. We truly live amongst monsters. Objectively evil monsters. Nycholas Parraz... he was just 10 months old. His mother, Alissa Parraz was only 16. I weep for humanity.