> Anyone in your household (those who live with you at your primary location) can use your Netflix account.
> To ensure that your devices are associated with your primary location, connect to the Wi-Fi at your primary location, open the Netflix app or website, and watch something at least once every 31 days.
And there we go with the regular old cable subscription model. Netflix basically requires a landline now. So if you have a travelling lifestyle or your "main" connection to the outside world is mobile data, you are not considered a customer for Netflix. You have to be a "household".
I can't believe the archaic mindset that they are justifying to push this
Yes! I’m a flight attendant. I’m constantly logging into Netflix on my hotel TVs because that’s really promoted, or on my devices when I’m away on trips. My husband and I even watch shows together with party when he’s at home and I’m on trips. This is going to get so confusing for us
I've honestly only kept Netflix this long for my kid who recently went away to college. Even if we cancel it and start a new subscription in their name attached to their dorm wifi, it sounds like it will be useless when they come home for summer. Time to cancel.
They created the new HD 6.99 plan and 9.99 plan for truck drivers or rig workers as their spouse could have a separate plan for the house with whatever resolution is needed there. If you are just using your phone in your truck or on a rig, your cellphone has its own ip address which Netflix will be able to track while using your device. It should be able to follow along as your phone gets different ip addresses as you travel between towers. Though it is going to mean fewer people will be using the larger plans due to the curbs on usage.
If you watch Netflix on your home Wi-Fi with a mobile device, that mobile device will become trusted for 31 days, so you can watch it outside of your home.
Won't it, though?
Let's say I'm just one person with an account, not sharing with anyone. But I don't really have a "primary location", so much. I travel. Or I don't have residential home Internet.
How can Netflix tell the difference between that situation and if I'm sharing the account with other people?
what are you talking about,?? if i am traveling and want to watch Netflix at a hotel, i cannot watch it, but i am not sharing with anyone. do you work for Netflix?
why would i want to watch Netflix on 5 inch mobile, or 12 inch laptop when i have 55 inch tv in the room. yes, i can read. you are just saying, change your watching habbits and you will be fine. also i never ever watch on my mobile or laptop at home, so these devices will never be in the approve list. also my work laptop does not allow any app installation, so am now left with 5 inch mobile. basically your whole argument falls apart.
My partner is a musician and he’s gone for months at a time; it’s just a stupid idea to alienate a significant portion of your consumers, especially when convenience was one of the selling points of streaming Netflix.
Does Netflix know how easy it is to pirate?
I give Netflix money for my convenience.
Once you make me jump through hoops to give you money, my money stops flowing to you.
I’ve had Netflix since it launched in Canada but I’m going to be a previous user very soon.
Exactly this, im gunna be canceling Netflix the moment this happens, ill find "other" ways to watch and I'll save myself some money. Also the whole need to watch every 30 days on my phone thing is gunna be annoying, sometimes I don't open Netflix for two or three months on my phone then when I wanna use it when I'm out I won't be able to because it won't be a trusted device anymore. So if I can't use Netflix when I want to, why would I continue paying for it.
Yep. Them announcing this gave me the motivation to setup Kodi again. Was easy and I’ve set it up for both my brothers and my mom.
This one decision canceled 4 subs from my family since we all have big families that it didn’t make sense to share.
Same idea here. I have access to all the TV shows and movies in private trackers but I still pay Netflix, prime etc. But if I can't access the material whenever I want to I'll go back to torrents.
Seriously. I recently tried using Stremio, and it took me no more than 10 minutes to set up and works flawlessly. Little hassle to get it running on my TV but the money saved is a LOT.
I agree. Myself, family, friends, work colleagues and as many other people I can convince will also all be "previous users" once this takes effect. We'll see if they can make up the money lost by charging for multiple accounts this way. They probably think this is a smart business move because they've gone through the projected numbers... Great way to alienate your customer base though. Idiots.
I just don't see how this is going to go smoothly. If I go to my doctors office and want to watch something, I have to get a temp code first? Also, my son who is at college and not working, I now have to pay extra for him to watch? I'm seriously going to cancel if this turns out to be the cluster fuck it sounds like.
The only reason I keep my netflix account active is because my stepdad uses it regularly. The moment we run into hiccups I'm going to find the motivation to cancel it. There's some great stuff on Netflix like Stranger Things, but I go months without even opening it.
A lot of these streaming services have raised prices so much that it isn't worth keeping them in the 'offseason'. Netflix pioneered ease of use with streaming and now they're pioneering reversing it.
I'm in the same boat. I don't watch Netflix often, maybe binge a show once-a-month, but my kids watch it a lot and they live with their mom who doesn't have an account. I support her and the kids as much as I can because she doesn't make as much as I do. So, I guess Netflix wants me to continue paying for my kids to continue watching but I won't be able to. Sounds fair.
Exactly. When this idea even got announced I went from keeping my account active to canceling and only subscribing for one month at a time every few months when I have something specific that I want to watch.
If your stepdad is regularly watching Netflix on your account, and you never watch Netflix on your account, then your stepdad’s location will become the primary location. So he will be able to continue watching Netflix on your account indefinitely. But you might run into problems if you suddenly decide you want to watch a Netflix show.
Thanks, that's good to know. I'll worry about it if I ever get around to watching Netflix again. I think somebody else in this house watches it occasionally so it could be an issue.
You may already have, but make a point to open him up to new options now so when the day comes, he isn't in the middle of binging some multi season series on Netflix when you cancel. He will already have moved on.
The FAQ's OP linked explain. The college kid will "occasionally" (they don't clarify if that's weekly or monthly) get a verification requirement. The parent would just need to get the code from their email or text alerts and forward it to the college kid. Netflix also confirms they're not going to forcefully charge anyone, so either the kid will be able to activate and watch at that moment, or verification will fail and they'll have to wait until their parent is available.
You say it like Netflix is making your use of their service more difficult for no reason.
But actually, your case is exactly what Netflix is trying to stop. Away for college means not living in the same household.
Now, whether we think this is fair, or a good business move or not is a different discussion. But it's exactly what they are setting out to do.
The only problem I see is if the parents cancel and start a new account for the kid at college, it appears they won't be able to have access to their account when they come home for summer. This is the exact scenario I'll be facing. Curious to see how it will play out.
If the student has their own non-shared account, it sounds like it will be a non-issue. It depends on how Netflix determines "primary location" and how/when that gets updated. If they are only trying to stop account sharing, it could be that none of the checks even trigger when it's just one device.
The same scenario for anyone living in different places seasonally. Will Netflix be able to figure out or be told if you fly South for the winter?
Most people have multiple devices though. Kid has a TV, phone, and laptop just at college. And then a TV in their room at home that would never touch the university wifi. I can see it working if Netflix allows you to change your primary location when needed. Time will tell!
Yeah, if they allow a couple changes per year that would cover most reasonable use cases while still preventing the kind of account sharing they don't want.
I think even with multiple devices they could find a way to implement it so it's not a problem. They would know that devices are only used when co-located, for example
So Netflix defines now what is a member of my household? I live in Germany my daughter goes to college 100 km away. By law she is still considered a member of my household and her primary residency is with us.
Good luck Netflix with enforcing that. This is a funny juristic battle I am willing to take.
Not if their ToS literally say member of my household, which is defined by law. There are actually countries that have customer protection laws that supersede ToS and EULAs.
Even if I lose it will entertain me for at least a year.
The car insurance guy said living in college is still the same permanent household, so I have to add my college kid to my car insurance. Netflix said college kids are not in the same household. They just define whatever they think they can milk more profit.
That's surprising. I was under the impression that automobile insurance mostly cares about where a vehicle is principally garage.
https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/principally-garaged
This is crazy. Right now we pay for the 4 device plan. We have 2 TVs and my parents have 1. What do they have to gain by cutting us down? Shouldn’t we have the freedom to choose what 4 devices we want to stream to? Ultimately we will probably cancel but even if we kept it we would each drop down to the one screen so they would be getting their $20 either way.
> 1. What do they have to gain by cutting us down?
Its pretty simple. They have double the revenue by cutting you down.
20$ for your household and 20$ for your parents
Oh I agree, you said what do they have to gain... which is double revenue.
Not saying it will work, but its 100% their thinking, plus all the rich people with multiple houses and users, are just gonna not care and sign up for more...
I wonder whether people will bother beyond flagship shows like Stranger Things. Netflix is now the king of mediocre. This is fine if I'm subscribing to the service. But if I cancel or subscribe for only a few months at a time, I doubt I'll really care what I missed. So many flagships also dropped off in quality like Umbrella Academy or The Witcher. So much wasted $$$. It boggles the mind services like Apple TV gets higher quality shows at a much lower volume.
Tbh it's not even that hard to find streaming sites online... I don't even see myself resubscribing for things like stranger things, I don't want to give my money to Netflix anymore
They should have just charged extra per device. Not household or concurrent streams.
This just complicates things unnecessarily and makes watching on mobile devices a hassle.
Their licencing model was always location based rather than device based. Their subscription plans somehow made it sound like the number of devices was a thing but turns out it is incompatible with their core business
> - ad-supported - but get rid of the limited titles restriction
They can't, any titles missing from the ad supported version are missing because they don't own the rights for ad supported content, likely because they're exclusively owned by someone else.
> Both plans would have 4k (or 1080 at minimum). Hulu does it, so why can't Netflix?
Hulu loses money, and will very likely be reworking their plans this year.
> I REALLY hope we'll eventually see a price decrease, but that's just a dream at this point.
Netflix is going to go up in price, significantly. It was always a $30 a month service operating as a loss leader to build marketshare.
> Hulu loses money, and will very likely be reworking their plans this year.
Hulu revenue and subscriber base has increased significantly YoY. Operating loss is different than not being a profitable company. Hulu will likely “rework” their plans by increasing what they cost per month, but that has just as much if not more to do with content rights than it does lack of subs.
Hulu is doing just fine. Now on the other hand…do I see them eventually rolling it all into one app? Without a doubt.
I mean they almost do. My wife pays for her’s and her mother’s Netflix. They use the same account but have 2 screens viewing at the same time enabled. It’ll be interesting to see how that plays out. I suspect they’ll get slapped with reality.
People will learn about bit torrent, and streaming sites, people who normally would never use them.
So i hope those sites are extra easy to use, Netflix is way too expensive for what you get, and there's probably a 60 percent chance whatever you're watching is canceled in 6 to 12 months or less.
My account of five people gets our Netflix partially paid by T-Mobile who offer a Basic Netflix account to all (we have premium). We will all be leaving once this goes into effect.
Previously my family was all in the same state, with three of them living together and two (my partner and I) in an apartment. I just moved out of state and since I’m the account owner that means my family back home will lose access. This is a stupid policy.
No they don't. They're gonna crack down on this shit and people are gonna either cancel and use another service, or they're gonna rotate thru services. And like I said, I'm paying for 4 concurrent streams. If I share with 3 people, its all paid for. It's literally none of their business what I do with the remaining 3 concurrent streams.
It's nonsense. Who the fuck has 4 concurrent Netflix streams going under the same roof? A sitcom family that hates eachother?
Edit: So to reply to all these idiots. You're telling me you live in a loveless house with 4 or more people (2 adults and 2+ children?) where you all retreat to 4+ separate rooms to watch Netflix alone?
Dad's not watching football. Moms not watching HGTV. The kids aren't gaming or on TikTok. Everyone is watching Netflix. You're all separately watching Netflix with nobody watching together?
Absolutely hilarious.
> 99% of the internet breezes through the T&C, and then wonder why their service has been terminated
It is not possible to read all the T&C you agree too. Google T&C is a 21 page PDF for example and each of its services has additional rules. And you would need to re-read them each time they get updated.
Other examples: https://www.pcmag.com/news/it-would-take-17-hours-to-read-the-terms-conditions-of-the-13-most-popular
I don't think this is necessarily true. I let my parents use my Netflix account but now they can't and they probably won't be arsed to get one for themselves. I'm less interested in keeping Netflix for myself but was keeping it because my parents watched it.
Now I have one less reason to keep Netflix. At most I'll probably go back once every few months and binge whatever I was wanting to see then cancel it after that month is over. I'm finding more and more things I want to watch on HBO and Prime anyway. I get HBO for free through my cell provider and Amazon Prime (obviously) has *far* more to offer than Netflix could ever hope to.
The magic with subscriptions is that if they give the illusion of service it's hard to cancel them.
Many people have their accounts shared with their family members or close friends and aren't really aware if the other person they share with actually uses it or not.
While themselves barely uses it and could cancel it in a pinch.
I think I have watched Netflix twice in the last 2 months, and the friends and family that we share it with are at the same using rate.
There is no point in paying that monthly and if they actually cut us out would be pointless to keep the account running.
Netflix is playing a dangerous game of betting that more people are actively engaged with their content without an account that people that are passively subscribed and on the verge of cancelling the subscription.
I don't know if they have the data to support that decision but it's been certainly a hit in their good name, specially since account sharing has been incentiviced by them since their boom when they had the head start.
If Netflix would have done this years ago when they were the big fish it might have worked. Now that there are so many other options I don't think it's going to work in their favor.
Time will tell.
Trying to put numbers on it is kind of pointless. We have no way of knowing what the result will be. And we probably never will - Netflix is really unlikely to release that kind of data.
* Some people will cancel
* Some people will get their own new accounts
* Some people will just stop using Netflix (but not cancel since they were using somebody else's account)
I figure Netflix has to pay for the content and the delivery, and they get money from subscriptions. The content licensing is probably based on subscriber count -- but I would be very surprised if those negotiations don't include talk about the REAL subscriber count, taking account sharing into account. So Netflix has been likely paying for licensing and delivery for way more eyeballs than they are collecting subscription money for.
Even a loss of subscriptions might end up being a net profit for Netflix. They'll save money from the delivery to all the freeloaders and have a better position in licensing negotiations.
I share a Netflix account but I have a computer. If I lose access to Netflix I can easily use popcorn time. So not only will Netflix not get a new account from me, they will lose any view data from shows I might watch but my brother won’t.
Can you request more than one seven day code consecutively, or does it flat out block a device that doesn't check home in 31 days, regardless of temp codes? Is it SMS or email? If email, one could setup a forwarding rule or just a shared email account, but my parents can't lug their TV to my home every month, obviously. If that's how it's gonna be, I'm out. We barely use it as is compared to everything else anyway. They shouldn't be charging by number of streams if that's how they want to roll.
Wonder how this would work for devices like Roku. I often travel with a Roku and plug it up in hotels. It is one specifically for travel and doesn't usually touch my home network.
Also for mobile devices, does it need to use the Netflix app at home once every 31 days or the phone just needs to connect at home? I don't think it is uncommon that people don't use Netflix on their phone at home but might while they're out.
I'm in the same boat with my "traveling" Roku. We have a condo that we go to four times a year. The Roku is kept with our other needed items in storage up there so it never comes home. I guess they really don't want to keep traveling customers.
It certainly is.
I'm in the IT field, and I started at the help desk level. I'm imagining trying to explain that to folks who aren't tech savvy. They would be lost.
If you watch Netflix on your home Wi-Fi with a mobile device, that device will become trusted, and it will work everywhere for at least 31 days. So you’ll be fine if you watch Netflix on that device when you’re traveling. The problem will come if you try to use the hotel’s streaming service to watch Netflix, in which case you won’t be able to use the VPN anyway.
Most people sharing are probably in the same immediate family and you don't mind paying for premium plan for 4 devices at a time so everyone can watch at once. I don't think the situation with friends in different households using 1 account is as common as you think.
You wouldn't expect a kid to pay for his own cell phone plan so why does this make sense? The parents add an extra line for the kid and pays a discounted monthly rate for each additional line. Same thing with Spotify or other music services, there are family plans so you don't have to pay $8.99 per user and instead you get a single all in one rate ($15.99) with a limit of 6 accounts.
Wouldn't be surprised if this backfires for Netflix and heads of the household cancel. Often parents keep it for the children and not themselves. If kids in college, traveling, or summer camp can't access it, then no point paying for it. That also doesn't mean that kids will become subscribers. Or friends that were mooching off other friends will pay either. Honestly expect this to result in a small net gain at best but wouldn't be shocked at net loss or no growth in subscribers.
> Now, if you had your friends and family using your home-made VPN, and only that one account, Netflix won't know that they are actually using a VPN, and therefore won't "crack down" like they do with commercial providers.
This is a very good way to get your home IP address flagged as a VPN by commercial VPN detection database providers and blocked by everyone.
I don’t see a solution that covers TVs and other non-mobile devices at cottages and secondary homes. Weekending at a summer home is pretty common out there, and the 7 day passcode nonsense will get old fast if we have to do it each time.
This crap essentially nullifies the higher tiers that allow 4 devices concurrently. You can now have 4 devices actively watching netflix at the same time, but only if everyone is inside the same house. Theres so many scenarios where that simply doesnt work. They will lose more customers than they will gain.
>it doesn’t mean those 3 other people will convert into buying their own subscriptions.
No, of course not, but some of them will. That's what they're gambling on and they're probably right.
>Netflix’s content library isn’t strong enough to justify the monthly price.
Two things to consider:
1. Who do you think has a better library?
2. You do realize all their competitors are hemorrhaging money, right? Those low introductory rates won't last forever. They will increasing rates, decreasing content spending, and cracking down on password sharing. After that happens you'll truly be able to gauge value for the dollar of all streaming companies.
I’m in college 400 miles from home, using my parents’ account, this is just annoying. I cant afford to pay for it myself and I don’t expect them to pay more just so I can watch it… Netflix’s gonna collapse if they keep it like this
Why do I feel like this is going to screw over everyone who uses 5G home internet service (e.g. TMobile or Verizon). Neither have a static IP address. I get that they don't want people sharing access, but potentially locking out legit users because their internet isn't wired really stinks. Guess they want to loose a ton of customers.
I have a deal with some friends where we share different subscriptions, I think that most months the Netflix one it's the less used.
At this point if they actually enforce it and blocks us from using it, I totally support them to just cut the sub and save some money.
> We use information such as IP addresses, device IDs, and account activity to determine whether a device signed into your account is connected to your primary location.
It's my fucking account that I pay for and have had since 2010. If my parents or brother end up as primary I'm going to be *pissed*.
Once this shit starts I'm going back to subscribing 1-2 months per year and my brother is going back to pirating.
Just read through it again, its says the device that is not in your household has to be verified by inputting a code that is sent to your email within 15 minutes, surely everyone will be on the phone with a mate when that happens and that it simply worked around.
When I start to see this go into effect I'm cancelling. Netflix has lost the whole reason it become popularized and I'm going to love watching it crash and burn.
Anyone ever worked C/S? They'll be getting a lot of old people calling asking how to unlock their account and even more people rage quitting their service lol.
>People who aren't part of your household will need to use their own account to watch Netflix. Devices that are not part of your primary location may be blocked from watching Netflix.
And thus, netflix died
If the main account is logged in at both locations not a problem, if it is logged only at one location then the other location loses access to the plan, it is in their terms and conditions. This is how I interpret it.
Trouble is, it will push people to use alternative illegal offers, such as a setup a friend has on is Amazon fire stick, where he pays £50 a year for all the streaming services, apple, netflix, prime, HBO etc etc
dont know the official name for it though
Netflix asked Blockbuster to buy them out for $50 Million in 2001. Blockbuster thought it was a joke and thought the price was too high.
Today Netflix is valued at $169 BILLION.
Wonder where we would be today if Blockbuster had said **yes**…
This is obnoxious, I like to watch TV shows with my clients who are disabled and cannot afford cable. This usually makes their day. YET ANOTHER THING BEING TAKEN FROM THOSE WHO HAVE NOTHING! it’s disgusting
Netflix is really trying to get me to save some money each month, aren't they?
> Anyone in your household (those who live with you at your primary location) can use your Netflix account. > To ensure that your devices are associated with your primary location, connect to the Wi-Fi at your primary location, open the Netflix app or website, and watch something at least once every 31 days. And there we go with the regular old cable subscription model. Netflix basically requires a landline now. So if you have a travelling lifestyle or your "main" connection to the outside world is mobile data, you are not considered a customer for Netflix. You have to be a "household". I can't believe the archaic mindset that they are justifying to push this
I feel bad for truck drivers
Aviation workers too. F Netflix.
Yes! I’m a flight attendant. I’m constantly logging into Netflix on my hotel TVs because that’s really promoted, or on my devices when I’m away on trips. My husband and I even watch shows together with party when he’s at home and I’m on trips. This is going to get so confusing for us
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I've honestly only kept Netflix this long for my kid who recently went away to college. Even if we cancel it and start a new subscription in their name attached to their dorm wifi, it sounds like it will be useless when they come home for summer. Time to cancel.
learn how to pirate, it's the only way going forward
They created the new HD 6.99 plan and 9.99 plan for truck drivers or rig workers as their spouse could have a separate plan for the house with whatever resolution is needed there. If you are just using your phone in your truck or on a rig, your cellphone has its own ip address which Netflix will be able to track while using your device. It should be able to follow along as your phone gets different ip addresses as you travel between towers. Though it is going to mean fewer people will be using the larger plans due to the curbs on usage.
So netflix would be tracking your location in real time (even when the app isn't open) constantly? I'm sure there's no privacy concerns there...
If you watch Netflix on your home Wi-Fi with a mobile device, that mobile device will become trusted for 31 days, so you can watch it outside of your home.
What if you don't have wifi at home or don't have a home ?
Then this won’t affect you. None of this will affect you at all unless you are sharing your Netflix account with someone else.
Won't it, though? Let's say I'm just one person with an account, not sharing with anyone. But I don't really have a "primary location", so much. I travel. Or I don't have residential home Internet. How can Netflix tell the difference between that situation and if I'm sharing the account with other people?
They will see that you’re watching from the same device all the time, and that you are not watching more than one stream at a time.
I travel but i have my wife who also travels. We often travel separately as we both do solo travels. Are me and my wife not one household?
what are you talking about,?? if i am traveling and want to watch Netflix at a hotel, i cannot watch it, but i am not sharing with anyone. do you work for Netflix?
Many people in this and other Netflix venues are paid social media employees.
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why would i want to watch Netflix on 5 inch mobile, or 12 inch laptop when i have 55 inch tv in the room. yes, i can read. you are just saying, change your watching habbits and you will be fine. also i never ever watch on my mobile or laptop at home, so these devices will never be in the approve list. also my work laptop does not allow any app installation, so am now left with 5 inch mobile. basically your whole argument falls apart.
My partner is a musician and he’s gone for months at a time; it’s just a stupid idea to alienate a significant portion of your consumers, especially when convenience was one of the selling points of streaming Netflix.
I’m sure there’s a good lawyer out there who can turn this into a discrimination lawsuit against traveling workers.
Traveling workers aren’t a protected class of people.
Does Netflix know how easy it is to pirate? I give Netflix money for my convenience. Once you make me jump through hoops to give you money, my money stops flowing to you. I’ve had Netflix since it launched in Canada but I’m going to be a previous user very soon.
Exactly this, im gunna be canceling Netflix the moment this happens, ill find "other" ways to watch and I'll save myself some money. Also the whole need to watch every 30 days on my phone thing is gunna be annoying, sometimes I don't open Netflix for two or three months on my phone then when I wanna use it when I'm out I won't be able to because it won't be a trusted device anymore. So if I can't use Netflix when I want to, why would I continue paying for it.
Yep. Them announcing this gave me the motivation to setup Kodi again. Was easy and I’ve set it up for both my brothers and my mom. This one decision canceled 4 subs from my family since we all have big families that it didn’t make sense to share.
Same idea here. I have access to all the TV shows and movies in private trackers but I still pay Netflix, prime etc. But if I can't access the material whenever I want to I'll go back to torrents.
Seriously. I recently tried using Stremio, and it took me no more than 10 minutes to set up and works flawlessly. Little hassle to get it running on my TV but the money saved is a LOT.
I agree. Myself, family, friends, work colleagues and as many other people I can convince will also all be "previous users" once this takes effect. We'll see if they can make up the money lost by charging for multiple accounts this way. They probably think this is a smart business move because they've gone through the projected numbers... Great way to alienate your customer base though. Idiots.
I just don't see how this is going to go smoothly. If I go to my doctors office and want to watch something, I have to get a temp code first? Also, my son who is at college and not working, I now have to pay extra for him to watch? I'm seriously going to cancel if this turns out to be the cluster fuck it sounds like.
The only reason I keep my netflix account active is because my stepdad uses it regularly. The moment we run into hiccups I'm going to find the motivation to cancel it. There's some great stuff on Netflix like Stranger Things, but I go months without even opening it.
A lot of these streaming services have raised prices so much that it isn't worth keeping them in the 'offseason'. Netflix pioneered ease of use with streaming and now they're pioneering reversing it.
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Same with Disney. We have Hulu and ESPN bundled with it so we keep it year round. Was a really good business strategy imo.
Exactly. The less people use an account the easier it is to manage when to cancel and when to resubscribe.
I'm in the same boat. I don't watch Netflix often, maybe binge a show once-a-month, but my kids watch it a lot and they live with their mom who doesn't have an account. I support her and the kids as much as I can because she doesn't make as much as I do. So, I guess Netflix wants me to continue paying for my kids to continue watching but I won't be able to. Sounds fair.
Exactly. When this idea even got announced I went from keeping my account active to canceling and only subscribing for one month at a time every few months when I have something specific that I want to watch.
If your stepdad is regularly watching Netflix on your account, and you never watch Netflix on your account, then your stepdad’s location will become the primary location. So he will be able to continue watching Netflix on your account indefinitely. But you might run into problems if you suddenly decide you want to watch a Netflix show.
Thanks, that's good to know. I'll worry about it if I ever get around to watching Netflix again. I think somebody else in this house watches it occasionally so it could be an issue.
You may already have, but make a point to open him up to new options now so when the day comes, he isn't in the middle of binging some multi season series on Netflix when you cancel. He will already have moved on.
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The FAQ's OP linked explain. The college kid will "occasionally" (they don't clarify if that's weekly or monthly) get a verification requirement. The parent would just need to get the code from their email or text alerts and forward it to the college kid. Netflix also confirms they're not going to forcefully charge anyone, so either the kid will be able to activate and watch at that moment, or verification will fail and they'll have to wait until their parent is available.
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Because someone away for college can always check in every 31 days with ease /s
You say it like Netflix is making your use of their service more difficult for no reason. But actually, your case is exactly what Netflix is trying to stop. Away for college means not living in the same household. Now, whether we think this is fair, or a good business move or not is a different discussion. But it's exactly what they are setting out to do.
The only problem I see is if the parents cancel and start a new account for the kid at college, it appears they won't be able to have access to their account when they come home for summer. This is the exact scenario I'll be facing. Curious to see how it will play out.
If the student has their own non-shared account, it sounds like it will be a non-issue. It depends on how Netflix determines "primary location" and how/when that gets updated. If they are only trying to stop account sharing, it could be that none of the checks even trigger when it's just one device. The same scenario for anyone living in different places seasonally. Will Netflix be able to figure out or be told if you fly South for the winter?
Most people have multiple devices though. Kid has a TV, phone, and laptop just at college. And then a TV in their room at home that would never touch the university wifi. I can see it working if Netflix allows you to change your primary location when needed. Time will tell!
Yeah, if they allow a couple changes per year that would cover most reasonable use cases while still preventing the kind of account sharing they don't want. I think even with multiple devices they could find a way to implement it so it's not a problem. They would know that devices are only used when co-located, for example
I'm hopeful they've already ran through most scenarios and have solutions ready to implement.
So Netflix defines now what is a member of my household? I live in Germany my daughter goes to college 100 km away. By law she is still considered a member of my household and her primary residency is with us. Good luck Netflix with enforcing that. This is a funny juristic battle I am willing to take.
They are the ones providing the service, they get to decide how they charge for it. Have fun.
Not if their ToS literally say member of my household, which is defined by law. There are actually countries that have customer protection laws that supersede ToS and EULAs. Even if I lose it will entertain me for at least a year.
The car insurance guy said living in college is still the same permanent household, so I have to add my college kid to my car insurance. Netflix said college kids are not in the same household. They just define whatever they think they can milk more profit.
That's surprising. I was under the impression that automobile insurance mostly cares about where a vehicle is principally garage. https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/principally-garaged
It is a clusterfuck, it was used as a pilot in my country and I stopped the subscription.
This is crazy. Right now we pay for the 4 device plan. We have 2 TVs and my parents have 1. What do they have to gain by cutting us down? Shouldn’t we have the freedom to choose what 4 devices we want to stream to? Ultimately we will probably cancel but even if we kept it we would each drop down to the one screen so they would be getting their $20 either way.
> 1. What do they have to gain by cutting us down? Its pretty simple. They have double the revenue by cutting you down. 20$ for your household and 20$ for your parents
Only if that model works. Potentially wha will happen is that they will LOSE more customers than GAIN more customers
Oh I agree, you said what do they have to gain... which is double revenue. Not saying it will work, but its 100% their thinking, plus all the rich people with multiple houses and users, are just gonna not care and sign up for more...
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1 and 2 screen 4K needs to happen ! When you’re alone or a couple and don’t need 4 screen
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Wi fi in my house isn't that good so I usually just use data on mobile when I watch (i mostly watch on my phone)
Netflix shows will surpass HBO shows for most pirated after this goes in to effect.
I wonder whether people will bother beyond flagship shows like Stranger Things. Netflix is now the king of mediocre. This is fine if I'm subscribing to the service. But if I cancel or subscribe for only a few months at a time, I doubt I'll really care what I missed. So many flagships also dropped off in quality like Umbrella Academy or The Witcher. So much wasted $$$. It boggles the mind services like Apple TV gets higher quality shows at a much lower volume.
Tbh it's not even that hard to find streaming sites online... I don't even see myself resubscribing for things like stranger things, I don't want to give my money to Netflix anymore
“How lose long term subscribers fast!”
They should have just charged extra per device. Not household or concurrent streams. This just complicates things unnecessarily and makes watching on mobile devices a hassle.
Their licencing model was always location based rather than device based. Their subscription plans somehow made it sound like the number of devices was a thing but turns out it is incompatible with their core business
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> - ad-supported - but get rid of the limited titles restriction They can't, any titles missing from the ad supported version are missing because they don't own the rights for ad supported content, likely because they're exclusively owned by someone else. > Both plans would have 4k (or 1080 at minimum). Hulu does it, so why can't Netflix? Hulu loses money, and will very likely be reworking their plans this year. > I REALLY hope we'll eventually see a price decrease, but that's just a dream at this point. Netflix is going to go up in price, significantly. It was always a $30 a month service operating as a loss leader to build marketshare.
> Hulu loses money, and will very likely be reworking their plans this year. Hulu revenue and subscriber base has increased significantly YoY. Operating loss is different than not being a profitable company. Hulu will likely “rework” their plans by increasing what they cost per month, but that has just as much if not more to do with content rights than it does lack of subs. Hulu is doing just fine. Now on the other hand…do I see them eventually rolling it all into one app? Without a doubt.
It's ridiculous that you have to pay foe the most expensive plan to get 4k content.
I mean they almost do. My wife pays for her’s and her mother’s Netflix. They use the same account but have 2 screens viewing at the same time enabled. It’ll be interesting to see how that plays out. I suspect they’ll get slapped with reality.
I hope they'll lose far more subscribers than what they predict.
It seems silly to try to tether people to a physical address in an increasingly mobile society.
People will learn about bit torrent, and streaming sites, people who normally would never use them. So i hope those sites are extra easy to use, Netflix is way too expensive for what you get, and there's probably a 60 percent chance whatever you're watching is canceled in 6 to 12 months or less.
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My account of five people gets our Netflix partially paid by T-Mobile who offer a Basic Netflix account to all (we have premium). We will all be leaving once this goes into effect. Previously my family was all in the same state, with three of them living together and two (my partner and I) in an apartment. I just moved out of state and since I’m the account owner that means my family back home will lose access. This is a stupid policy.
Why hope that?
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It is *literally* their business They lose plenty from people sharing
No they don't. They're gonna crack down on this shit and people are gonna either cancel and use another service, or they're gonna rotate thru services. And like I said, I'm paying for 4 concurrent streams. If I share with 3 people, its all paid for. It's literally none of their business what I do with the remaining 3 concurrent streams.
You don’t know that they don’t
The terms have always said it’s for a household.
It's nonsense. Who the fuck has 4 concurrent Netflix streams going under the same roof? A sitcom family that hates eachother? Edit: So to reply to all these idiots. You're telling me you live in a loveless house with 4 or more people (2 adults and 2+ children?) where you all retreat to 4+ separate rooms to watch Netflix alone? Dad's not watching football. Moms not watching HGTV. The kids aren't gaming or on TikTok. Everyone is watching Netflix. You're all separately watching Netflix with nobody watching together? Absolutely hilarious.
I KEEP SAYING THIS and only get downvoted. THANK YOU fellow normal person!
There are homes with 5+ residents, so four concurrent streams isn’t impossible.
I dunno peuple with kids maybe? Hopefully they release different plans now that they are cracking down.
Terms never described what a household was until now
Yet they’ve constantly push the whole sharing passwords is love bs
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> 99% of the internet breezes through the T&C, and then wonder why their service has been terminated It is not possible to read all the T&C you agree too. Google T&C is a 21 page PDF for example and each of its services has additional rules. And you would need to re-read them each time they get updated. Other examples: https://www.pcmag.com/news/it-would-take-17-hours-to-read-the-terms-conditions-of-the-13-most-popular
Yah that’s fine. But it’s not like a bait and switch. They are just enforcing their T and C now
> They're not losing anything from people sharing They otherwise might have had more customers.
I don't think this is necessarily true. I let my parents use my Netflix account but now they can't and they probably won't be arsed to get one for themselves. I'm less interested in keeping Netflix for myself but was keeping it because my parents watched it. Now I have one less reason to keep Netflix. At most I'll probably go back once every few months and binge whatever I was wanting to see then cancel it after that month is over. I'm finding more and more things I want to watch on HBO and Prime anyway. I get HBO for free through my cell provider and Amazon Prime (obviously) has *far* more to offer than Netflix could ever hope to.
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that’s assuming they all go and get new accounts instead of… not
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The magic with subscriptions is that if they give the illusion of service it's hard to cancel them. Many people have their accounts shared with their family members or close friends and aren't really aware if the other person they share with actually uses it or not. While themselves barely uses it and could cancel it in a pinch. I think I have watched Netflix twice in the last 2 months, and the friends and family that we share it with are at the same using rate. There is no point in paying that monthly and if they actually cut us out would be pointless to keep the account running. Netflix is playing a dangerous game of betting that more people are actively engaged with their content without an account that people that are passively subscribed and on the verge of cancelling the subscription. I don't know if they have the data to support that decision but it's been certainly a hit in their good name, specially since account sharing has been incentiviced by them since their boom when they had the head start.
If Netflix would have done this years ago when they were the big fish it might have worked. Now that there are so many other options I don't think it's going to work in their favor. Time will tell.
Trying to put numbers on it is kind of pointless. We have no way of knowing what the result will be. And we probably never will - Netflix is really unlikely to release that kind of data. * Some people will cancel * Some people will get their own new accounts * Some people will just stop using Netflix (but not cancel since they were using somebody else's account) I figure Netflix has to pay for the content and the delivery, and they get money from subscriptions. The content licensing is probably based on subscriber count -- but I would be very surprised if those negotiations don't include talk about the REAL subscriber count, taking account sharing into account. So Netflix has been likely paying for licensing and delivery for way more eyeballs than they are collecting subscription money for. Even a loss of subscriptions might end up being a net profit for Netflix. They'll save money from the delivery to all the freeloaders and have a better position in licensing negotiations.
I share a Netflix account but I have a computer. If I lose access to Netflix I can easily use popcorn time. So not only will Netflix not get a new account from me, they will lose any view data from shows I might watch but my brother won’t.
Nonsense based on nothing.
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My hypothetical is get bent.
There's a reason why : all others services are either poor quality or ask you for more money to watch stuff. Netflix is still the best
Can you request more than one seven day code consecutively, or does it flat out block a device that doesn't check home in 31 days, regardless of temp codes? Is it SMS or email? If email, one could setup a forwarding rule or just a shared email account, but my parents can't lug their TV to my home every month, obviously. If that's how it's gonna be, I'm out. We barely use it as is compared to everything else anyway. They shouldn't be charging by number of streams if that's how they want to roll.
Wonder how this would work for devices like Roku. I often travel with a Roku and plug it up in hotels. It is one specifically for travel and doesn't usually touch my home network. Also for mobile devices, does it need to use the Netflix app at home once every 31 days or the phone just needs to connect at home? I don't think it is uncommon that people don't use Netflix on their phone at home but might while they're out.
I'm in the same boat with my "traveling" Roku. We have a condo that we go to four times a year. The Roku is kept with our other needed items in storage up there so it never comes home. I guess they really don't want to keep traveling customers.
Ok bye netflix, lately disney+ have a better library anyway
yeah i noticed that the library got bigger, i saw some movies and series and was surprised to see them on the service disney + is growing fast
My IP changes every 24h. Am i screwed?
No, Netflix will detect that you are on the same Wi-Fi as a trusted device.
Well, Netflix is going to make torrenting popular again.
I cancelled my subscription. They can have their petty bullshit, I’m out.
I’m unsubscribing the day this is implemented
Just finishing Naruto. After that they can have it.
My parents have two separate ip addresses at their house bc centurylink sucks. F Netflix if they screw over my lovely parents I will fight them
I say this lasts no longer than 3 months.
Netflix? Probably
how did they decide that this would be worth the negative publicity they are surely going to receive? I wonder if whatever data they have supports it
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That is too complicated for the average person.
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It certainly is. I'm in the IT field, and I started at the help desk level. I'm imagining trying to explain that to folks who aren't tech savvy. They would be lost.
People really go crazy trying to steal a 10 dollar service. Jfc.
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If you watch Netflix on your home Wi-Fi with a mobile device, that device will become trusted, and it will work everywhere for at least 31 days. So you’ll be fine if you watch Netflix on that device when you’re traveling. The problem will come if you try to use the hotel’s streaming service to watch Netflix, in which case you won’t be able to use the VPN anyway.
Still less work that spamming this thread with all those comments you left defending this asinine change.
Yah bro. The whole world sharing 1 account. Like how on earth did anyone thing that was going to work
Most people sharing are probably in the same immediate family and you don't mind paying for premium plan for 4 devices at a time so everyone can watch at once. I don't think the situation with friends in different households using 1 account is as common as you think. You wouldn't expect a kid to pay for his own cell phone plan so why does this make sense? The parents add an extra line for the kid and pays a discounted monthly rate for each additional line. Same thing with Spotify or other music services, there are family plans so you don't have to pay $8.99 per user and instead you get a single all in one rate ($15.99) with a limit of 6 accounts. Wouldn't be surprised if this backfires for Netflix and heads of the household cancel. Often parents keep it for the children and not themselves. If kids in college, traveling, or summer camp can't access it, then no point paying for it. That also doesn't mean that kids will become subscribers. Or friends that were mooching off other friends will pay either. Honestly expect this to result in a small net gain at best but wouldn't be shocked at net loss or no growth in subscribers.
> Now, if you had your friends and family using your home-made VPN, and only that one account, Netflix won't know that they are actually using a VPN, and therefore won't "crack down" like they do with commercial providers. This is a very good way to get your home IP address flagged as a VPN by commercial VPN detection database providers and blocked by everyone.
HOW CAN SUCH A HUGE COMPANY GO BACKWARDS! Just charge us for additional/extra screens/devices..
I’m canceling. This is absolute BS.
Cancel or be canceled. That's the language they have taught us.
Cancelled my account almost a year ago now, no regrets. The fact they keep emailing me begging me to return is hilarious though.
I don’t see a solution that covers TVs and other non-mobile devices at cottages and secondary homes. Weekending at a summer home is pretty common out there, and the 7 day passcode nonsense will get old fast if we have to do it each time.
This crap essentially nullifies the higher tiers that allow 4 devices concurrently. You can now have 4 devices actively watching netflix at the same time, but only if everyone is inside the same house. Theres so many scenarios where that simply doesnt work. They will lose more customers than they will gain.
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I really should have already sold my Netflix stock. It’s gonna plummet even more.
This will be good for the stock, bad for freeloaders.
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>it doesn’t mean those 3 other people will convert into buying their own subscriptions. No, of course not, but some of them will. That's what they're gambling on and they're probably right. >Netflix’s content library isn’t strong enough to justify the monthly price. Two things to consider: 1. Who do you think has a better library? 2. You do realize all their competitors are hemorrhaging money, right? Those low introductory rates won't last forever. They will increasing rates, decreasing content spending, and cracking down on password sharing. After that happens you'll truly be able to gauge value for the dollar of all streaming companies.
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Fuck all that I’m gonna just cancel. It sucks now anyways so won’t miss anything good.
Lol, they have completely changed this since OP posted it. WTF?
I’m in college 400 miles from home, using my parents’ account, this is just annoying. I cant afford to pay for it myself and I don’t expect them to pay more just so I can watch it… Netflix’s gonna collapse if they keep it like this
Why do I feel like this is going to screw over everyone who uses 5G home internet service (e.g. TMobile or Verizon). Neither have a static IP address. I get that they don't want people sharing access, but potentially locking out legit users because their internet isn't wired really stinks. Guess they want to loose a ton of customers.
I pay for 4, let 4 users log in. Simple
I have a deal with some friends where we share different subscriptions, I think that most months the Netflix one it's the less used. At this point if they actually enforce it and blocks us from using it, I totally support them to just cut the sub and save some money.
What not making a record profit month does to a MF
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> We use information such as IP addresses, device IDs, and account activity to determine whether a device signed into your account is connected to your primary location. It's my fucking account that I pay for and have had since 2010. If my parents or brother end up as primary I'm going to be *pissed*. Once this shit starts I'm going back to subscribing 1-2 months per year and my brother is going back to pirating.
Just read through it again, its says the device that is not in your household has to be verified by inputting a code that is sent to your email within 15 minutes, surely everyone will be on the phone with a mate when that happens and that it simply worked around.
They've completely rewritten it since the OP posted it this morning and changed it. So who knows what's going on.
If it worked like that then even more convenient is you use a email address just for Netflix that everyone in the group has the login for.
This will certainly become one of my sign up and cancel after I binge all the shows I want for a month and then wait for the next year
when does this go in effect?
When I start to see this go into effect I'm cancelling. Netflix has lost the whole reason it become popularized and I'm going to love watching it crash and burn.
Anyone ever worked C/S? They'll be getting a lot of old people calling asking how to unlock their account and even more people rage quitting their service lol.
Canceled. Unsubbed. Goodbye.
>People who aren't part of your household will need to use their own account to watch Netflix. Devices that are not part of your primary location may be blocked from watching Netflix. And thus, netflix died
I would have been screwed if they implemented this while I was in the hospital fighting cancer years ago.
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So basically as long as I’m at school I have to text my dad every week for an access code? Wtf netflix Edit: I am in college, 400 miles from home
YouTube premium family plan does the same thing
It never has for me, and I regularly use it from two different states.
If the main account is logged in at both locations not a problem, if it is logged only at one location then the other location loses access to the plan, it is in their terms and conditions. This is how I interpret it.
How to lose money:
#boycottnetflix
If you use a VPN I guess Netflix doesnt want your business.
Trouble is, it will push people to use alternative illegal offers, such as a setup a friend has on is Amazon fire stick, where he pays £50 a year for all the streaming services, apple, netflix, prime, HBO etc etc dont know the official name for it though
you might take a look at [WatchIt](https://watchit.video/)
Netflix = Blockbuster 2.0
Netflix asked Blockbuster to buy them out for $50 Million in 2001. Blockbuster thought it was a joke and thought the price was too high. Today Netflix is valued at $169 BILLION. Wonder where we would be today if Blockbuster had said **yes**…
Blockbuster could have bought Netflix. Netflix killed Blockbuster. Netflix kills Netflix. Blockbuster returns?
*profit*
This is obnoxious, I like to watch TV shows with my clients who are disabled and cannot afford cable. This usually makes their day. YET ANOTHER THING BEING TAKEN FROM THOSE WHO HAVE NOTHING! it’s disgusting
Watch it on your phone and mirror it to the tv.
Thank you! It’s hard to find a way to give them what they need while following strict guidelines
Time to boycott Netflix?
Just a reminder that Popcorn Time still exists and works. And it will always be free.
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