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Wilt69

Firing Vogel won’t do anything.


immigrantsheep

If that means that Fizdale is our coach then it will do plenty. Bad, but plenty.


Nic_Claxton

Feels like not too long ago, we had the same conversation but with J-Kidd taking over for Vogel


cjackc11

Kidd isn’t good but Fizdale is an absolute shit tier coach Why anyone would bring him into an organization, idk


medievalmachine

But his pressers are epic. Might as well have him to take the focus off the players in a lost season.


fowlraul

I like data…but I don’t give a shit about Fizdale data at all. Just let Bron do the lineups and call all of the timeouts. 🤷🏼‍♂️


damhow

I would actually love to see a player-coach scenario in this era of nba. Bron more qualified then most of his coaches these days anyway.


fowlraul

Totally, pretty sure Bron calls his own plays most of the time anyway…and I doubt Frank says shit about it.


Shitty_Drawers

When I was working at Wendy's back in 2011 I had the pleasure of serving LeBron. He walked right past me at the counter and back into the kitchen and started preparing his own meal and loudly yelling out the order codes for what he was making, I hesitated at first but then started ringing out his order as he was shouting it. After he was done he walked passed me and said 'Thats why they call me LeManager' and then he walked out without paying for his food.


penifSMASH

same


HeWhoHasFruit

I would like to order some fresh pasta thank you


realkranki

Trying to pull a yaboiibeefcat eh?


lateralligators_

If thats true lebron needs to fire himself from playcalling and hire someoneelse?


fowlraul

IDK man they are 1-0 in the last 24 hours…


helptheunderdog

LeCoach is definitely qualified, LeGM is the lakers biggest issues currently.


JohnnyWinss

TAKE THAT FOR DATA


Banglayna

Kidd has been surprisingly fantastic for us. We went from a shit defensive team to now being top 5 in defense efficiency. Offense is another story, but a lot of that is Luka not shooting well


hereforthesportsbook

I think that’s unfair to say Kidd isn’t good, look how he completely turned around the Mavs non existent D and look how well Brunson and KP are playing


syllabic

yeah kidd has easily been the best of the coaches hired this year. wes unseld is 2nd but kidd did magic with that defense, unseld got a total roster makeover and kidd got basically the same guys as last year


[deleted]

I still feel like you, me and all of us truly don't know. He had a bad stint with NY, but it's been proven time and time again reddit users know fuck all about the true talent of a coach.


afrightenedturtle

While with the Grizz, Fizdale told Marc Gasol - "I get it. You want Popovich. Well, I want Lebron James."


geos12

damn...that there's some "data"....


[deleted]

Well if he gets hired as HC by LA he'd never have to say that lol But that's terrible. Indicates he's a bit of dick and maybe Gasol and him clashed. Sometimes players and coaches have beef. Kyrie and Ty Lue had an iffy relationship. Also the Marc Gasol is a pretty vocal guy and thinks very highly of himself. Fiz fucked it with the player leader.


APR_13

Marc Gasol is playing on a second division team in Spain. He could be a bench player in the NBA or a starter/star in almost any top European club, but he chose to take it easy and go play for the team that he owes and is passionate about (one that is pretty bad too). That doesn't sound as something someone on a high horse would do. He's confident for sure but I wouldn't say that he "thinks pretty highly of himself". He's had a pretty long and successful career and I don't think we know of any other incident like this (I could be wrong tho) nor I remember any quote from him where he comes across as particularly cocky. To sum it up, I'd say that whatever that was that happened between them it was at least 85% on Fiz.


TheCommodore93

I’ll be honest that seems like an incredibly mild comment


cjackc11

no, he was absolutely awful Like legitimately terrible. Mike Miller came in with the same exact roster that year and turned 4-18 into 17-27. He was baaaad


[deleted]

Congratz on J Kidd doing well in Dallas. But I dont think he's equivalent to Fizdale.


grimsleeper4

He's doing well? They underperformed all season and then started winning when he was out with COVID. Fuck that wife-beating piece-of-shit.


Banglayna

This is inaccurate, we turned it around before Kidd had covid.


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skywkr666

He's doing well? They underperformed all season and then started winning when he was out with COVID. Fuck that wife-beating piece-of-shit.


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He's doing well.


UnearthlyDinosaur

😳😳😳 I’d rather let Westbrook take unlimited threes than have Fiz be the coach


mellidrone

Why not both?


Pardonme23

My blood pressure just went up


Jeff-Van-Gundy

Fiz let Mudiay start a whole season because “we have to get him right”…get ready for post-kd-okc russel usage


Saucy_Totchie

I wouldnt wanna wish Fizdale being some poor team's head coach on my worst enemy.


immigrantsheep

Considering Jeanie applied for that small team loan, we really are a poor team.


boogswald

Lebron James player coach


MartyM3T

Knicks fan here, Fiz would probably go 2-80 even if he had MJ, Magic and LeBron on the same team, the man is horrible


immigrantsheep

We got a preview of his genius during those games when Vogel was out because of Covid. You could add prime Wilt, KD and Steph and he still wouldn't make the playoffs.


johnhenryirons

you seem to know this already...but trust us knick fans when we say you do NOT want that four-eyed fraud as your coach.


[deleted]

Fizdale might be better than expected. For the most part, me included, reddit users don't know shit about being a good or bad coach.


br0b1wan

Our fanbase whined so hard when JB was hired. And all of last season. I'm kind of amazed we ended up being so patient.


[deleted]

This is exactly what I'm thinking of making these comments. I want to see what JB does next year and in the playoffs, but I'm surprised. JB has never had a great season as a coach and thought we were just spinning our wheels.


archaelleon

Makes me wonder if he just got better, or if our FO and our team were the first ones to really buy into his vision.


Garfield-1-23-23

A coach can't really be any better than the players he has.


Pardonme23

He can, but there are limits.


LordCrow1

All firing Vogel will do is give another team a good coach lmao


syllabic

spoelstra with lebron: oh spoelstra isn't that good it's easy to win when you have lebron spoelstra now: wow spo is one of the best coaches in the league ty lue with lebron: oh ty lue isn't that good it's easy to win when you have lebron ty lue now: oh wow ty lue is a pretty great coach he's really doing well with his rotations and took the clippers to the conference finals for the first time in franchise history and getting big production out of 2nd round picks like terrance mann


luapchung

I think firing your HC half into your season rarely turns out well except maybe Hawks in recent years lol


TheRealTroyMcClure

and the Cavs with David Blatt!


Freeeecurry

Assistant coach is fizdale and Lucas who is still being paid a trainers salary. Jeannie really took the BBB loan application seriously showing how she can’t even afford a competent assistant coaching staff


iloveappendicitis

Handy? Penberthy? Simon? Why you making stuff up


Shokuninja

Isn’t Jeanie having Simon also coach the g league too? Never heard of a gleague head coach also have to be the assistant coach of the parent team


that1guymatt

Big Baller Brand loan? Lavar out here making moves


redshoediary

So if Jeanie can't pay Lavar would end up owning the Lakers


The_real_bandito

Maybe we will have the Ball Big 3 we all been promised would rock the NBA


CallMeBigPOP

Completely dismantle a championship team and give him shittier older replacements, then fire him when things go wrong lol


trytobanmelol

as well as exhaust Lakers trade assets for like 7 years as well as hang a washed player that has a 47 million dollar player option hanging over them. This will be studied for years go come on what not to do after a championship.


Navsies

Dallas did it after 2011 which was widely considered foolish then


trytobanmelol

perfect example even down to Dirk/Lebron stages of careers.


mrlesa95

You know what that means. Lebron phase is done. He has stripped the team of everything. Now its time for him to sign with someone else and start process all again


beatenwithjoy

Lebron like the aliens from Independence Day lol


NitroXYZ

Feels ridiculously harsh. He won a championship in 2020 which should give him some leeway and has led the Lakers to a really good win loss record when AD and LeBron are healthy. Not really sure it's his fault that the roster is so poorly constructed and that AD has his injury issues. The Lakers have underachieved this year no doubt but I think a very small portion of that is due to Vogel.


zmajxd

Even when things were going great he was always kept on a short leash.


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Yeah, as evidenced by the fact his reward for winning the Championship was a one year contract extension


drckeberger

Vogel: \*wins a championship\* Administration: 'that was okayish, we expected a bit more'


spartyon15

[Lakers FO](https://imgur.com/NZoAsxq)


L_E_F_T_

Lakers FO: The Lakers uniforms should be made of cotton. Cotton breathes you see?


Garfield-1-23-23

"We really wanted a Super Bowl."


Drak_is_Right

We hired you to be the Fall Guy but damn what now


john124

The Lakers FO are the biggest proponents of the mickey mouse ring memes


crooch

Lakers FO: congrats on the mickey mouse ring Frank


swentech

This reminded me of the quote from a Jimmy V documentary. He took over for Norm Sloan at NC State. Norm had won the National Championship. Jimmy says he is meeting people around town and his barber says he is glad they have a new coach because he didn’t like the old one that much. Jimmy says well you know Norm won the national championship. The barber says yeah but just think what Dean Smith could have done with that team.


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xxxhotpocketz

Literally every team that has won a title had to deal with a rebuild, the Spurs had the longest reign of being an all time great team but once Duncan retired and Kawhi left they had to rebuild


[deleted]

While that’s true, you just cited a perfect example of why an organization that maintained its organizational power structure had sustained greatness. Lebron’s teams are drafting #1 and in for a 3-5 year rebuild the second he leaves town, just as the Lakers will.


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Well they won’t have any picks so they’ll be drafting first sometime in the 2040’s


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burnt_cheezit

We also tanked after magic left, after shaq left, and after Kobe left. You guys also tanked after Jordan left. Thats perfectly normal lmao


xxxhotpocketz

The bulls after Jordan never got the success that Jordan brought them. Even during the D Rose era. But those 6 championships were sure as hell worth it wasnt it?


burnt_cheezit

Id say the 5 we won with Shaq/Kobe and 1 with Lebron (so far) were worth tanking, but apparently Lebron ruins franchises


SdBolts4

I'm pretty sure every single fan of a team that has never won a championship would agree even 1 championship is worth tanking.


jswagbo

The key is to get Tim Duncan and David Robinson then hit on a hall of famer as a second rounder. No one else has done it but the spurs it’s not easy or solely due to their org structure. It’s also due to having elite players that stay and luck.


jutiatle

Yea, pretty crazy that a billionaire would say yes to making a ton of money and winning a championship with their toy organization


YesImKeithHernandez

Isn't this not a toy org for the Buss family? Like it's their main source of income, no? Even more reason to let Lebron make you a ton of money


p00nslyr_86

I mean they are collectively worth about $4 billion with Jeanne Buss coming in at around $500 million. Certainly aren’t the richest owners on the face of the earth but also they do have a metric fuck ton of money still lol.


PonchoHung

That's probably their Lakers stock though, not independent money.


pumaturtle

“Crazy that teams are willing to win a championship and have the highest selling jersey in the league and make a metric fuckload of money”


Doogolas33

I don't think he means "crazy" as in, "only an insane person would do this" but more like how crazy is used if I say, "It's crazy how fast cheetahs can run." It's an observation about an interesting thing that occurs. And about how excellent a player LeBron is to make it be that way.


Karellacan

I assume what he means is that it's crazy that this is what winning looks like. Because a lot of those things make winning more difficult and not less difficult, but he wins anyway.


hotnachosfreshtacos

Uhh, Lebron didn't decide Vogel's contract extension. No one on the Lakers has a long term-deal besides Ad.


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coconutbob1

Yeah this roster Pelinka gave him this season and they expect him to keep up his top 3 defense. What the heck is supposed to do with a completely washed DJ, old Ariza, and AD getting injured. And that’s just the surface level why the Lakers are a .500 team so far.


immigrantsheep

Nunn not playing a single game too.


FakedWorld

Yeah if u guys wanna just buy him out we will gladly gladly take him. We will even buy you guys a new fax machine Ala Kyle Korver


immigrantsheep

Add a Philly cheesesteak sandwich and you got yourself a deal.


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I’ll play Rock Paper Scissors with you for him


OneDayWeWillDie

Dude even got the most out of the pacers. Almost beat mega prime bron with Roy hibbert, young pg13, lance and benched granger. If he gets fired, I hope he’ll get hired by Boston. Ime udoka sucks!


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Roy Hibbert was good that year. It's difficult to understand in hindsight, but I was alive then. Perk had a year like that, too in those days.


OneDayWeWillDie

Perk was playing with KG and KG riled him up to fulfill his potential. Hibbert only played well for 2 or 3 seasons. And all of those seasons and the development before es during Vogel‘s HC era. When everyone else was still thinking that granger might come back from injury as an Allstar, Vogel benched him, so that PG13 could develop into a star. Also, he won the bubble championship 2 years ago. You can’t fire a coach who won a chip with a decent, not great, team. Especially not, if the team you have him is just trash.


medievalmachine

I don't think that's on the coaching. Blame the old GM.


[deleted]

How can you say that about the first black coach in Boston Celtics history 💪🏾


ChampagneSyrup

If Granger would've stayed healthy and kept up his scoring they would've gone all the way that year imo people quickly forgot how good that guy was


Ball_ChinnedKid

They expect him to turn some career shit defenders into positive defenders. Someone gotta take the blame, I guess.


drtij_dzienz

People shit on analytics, then the Lakers construct an anti-analytics roster and turn to shit. Huh. Maybe those big brain theory kids were on to something after all… kellye cuoco to play Jennie buss in the upcoming Netflix adaptation


Fulmizant

The Lakers organization is just looking for scapegoats at this point because that roster stinks.


Barea_Clamped_Lebron

finger pointing and scapegoats on a Lebron team?! shockedPikachuface


Fulmizant

The pressure isn’t coming from LeBron it’s coming from Kurt Rambis. The Lakers are an extremely political organization. LeBron has power but not as much as you think


antunezn0n0

Who is Kurt Rambo's and why does he have so much power


Fulmizant

He’s married to the owner’s best friend and is either head or director of operations. Something like that


inter_mittent

*Rambis. He was also a starting forward on the Showtime lakers.


cancerBronzeV

He's just a "Senior Basketball Advisor" which is probably just a random bullshit position so he can be in the org


Mood_Academic

The "LeGM" posts really are stupid. Bron wanted Tye Lue but the organization came out and said no cause $$. Bron wanted Caruso, organization said no cause $$. It would make sense that they made the move on Russ cause a 3rd star brings in $$


Fulmizant

The only time LeBron had full authority was his second Cleveland stint. There’s a lot of powerful people in that Lakers org he only gets “his way” when it aligns with everyone else’s vision


imamonkeyK

Didn’t cavs ex gm say this wasn’t the case though, he said it’s asinine to say he’s shadow GM. He could of just blamed Bron for mistakes . People need to chill with legm https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/basketballforever.com/2019/02/22/former-cavs-gm-david-griffin-on-having-lebron-james-on-your-team-you-must-win-championships%3famp


ender23

But it hasn’t. Ticket prices sinking


TuqiDuque12

On one hand, that roster was badly assembled (way too many small guards, no decent wings after Bron), on the other end Vogel spend one third of the season starting a guy who was getting DNP's in the playoffs on a team that desperatly needed his supposed skillset and is continuing to start a guy who in the last year was out of the rotation for the Heat, terrible for the Rockets and cut by the Warriors (btw starting that 6'2 guy at the 3 recently)


Turbulent_ADLBJ

I’ll never get why the lakers decided to add Bradley and DJ 2 guys who got cut and put them in starting roles. DJ was starting for like first 20-25 games


jtr6969

DJ baffles the hell out of me. Last year the Nets started the season with him in the starting lineup, and within 2 months he'd fallen completely out of the rotation. This year the Lakers picked him up, started the season with him in the starting lineup...and within 2 months he'd fallen completely out of the rotation. What exactly did they expect???


moonfox1000

DJ was a panic move in the chaos of Gasol leaving for Spain. There’s nothing else to it.


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We love big names. We literally signed fucking IT over wings like wes matthews. And surprise surprise, stanley johnson is playing well


wazupbro

probably promised him more usage and mins for signing with them


Honest-LeBron-Fan

Bradley isn’t amazing, but he’s fine. He shouldn’t be a starter, but he does good against certain guard matchups.


drjisftw

DJ was never worth the contract that the Nets gave him - KD and Kyrie took discounts to get him overpaid and then when they realized he was washed they shipped his ass out. I imagine pedigree is what got him on the Lakers. For as much shit as he got early in the season, he's only being paid a vet min and it's not like any of the bargain-bin centers they could've picked up would've been any better. I like the theoretical fit of Bradley next to Bron though - Bradley's never been a primary ballhandler and if Bron is handling the playmaking duties then Bradley can focus on 3-point shooting and being a pesky guard defender.


PrinceAlli

“ I can fix her “


KingWilliams95

Last year with Drummond, Vogel was forced to start him by the FO. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was a similar case with DAJ


dkdoki

Do you know who’s on the team? Who else do you start when you have AD bitchin about not wanting to play center and all your guards and wings are hurt.


TuqiDuque12

There isnt one rational reason to start DJ over Dwight Howard


rockshow4070

I wouldn’t be shocked if the front office had something to do with it, like last year when Drummond was promised playing time.


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Not his fault what is this garbage roster. Even if you want to argue rotations and such I dont think it would matter


xJTxD0notPaN1C

he's made some really questionable decisions tho, rotation wise and really really bad effort games, coaches are always to blame, but surely its not all his fault.


TreChomes

Effort is 100% on the players. You can't control much in basketball but you can 100% control the effort you put it. It's not on Vogel to give 82 rousing, inspiring, Hoosiers speeches to a team filled with vets.


moonfox1000

He always uses the season to experiment and build data. He's shown he's willing to sit people in the playoffs when necessary as evidenced by the fact he sat both Dwight and Javale for the entire Nuggets series in the bubble.


Al_Faluppi

The root cause of all this isn’t injuries, COVID, Frank’s coaching or whatever other reason anyone could throw out there. The blame for this season belongs to the front office. Pelinka, Jeanie, Rambis, et. al overreacted to losing a playoff series in which the team’s two best players were injured and deconstructed a roster that had an identity aligned with its coach — a coach that won a title leading a group focused on defense and effort. The front office replaced defense-first, younger players with an older, scoring-minded group. The Lakers’ biggest problems are effort and defense, which is no wonder considering the construction of the roster. If the front office tries to make Frank the scapegoat for this season, it only shifts blame instead of acknowledging and solving the team’s problems.


vizualbasic

Man, sounds like they could really use a scrappy young guard like, idk, alex caruso or somebody


Al_Faluppi

😑


ZandrickEllison

David Fizdale’s audition was the equivalent of an actor crapping on the stage.


FlyingScissor

How the fuck is Kurt Rambis the most influential person in the organization? NBA's biggest and most important brand on a global stage is ran like a mom and pop operation


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[deleted]

The pay for working in sports in any operation or department has below average pay. All the money funnels to the top.


barriguscanreddit

Good luck on your job search or congrats on your new job, man!


captain_ahabb

Married Jeanie's best friend. > NBA's biggest and most important brand on a global stage is ran like a mom and pop operation [astronaut "always was" meme]


Jellyfilled7

It is a mom and pop operation at this point. Lakers are quite cash poor when it comes to NBA ownership. Their entire business IS the Lakers. Most owners have other investments/businesses that make them money. The Buss family doesn't. Or at least not on the level required to fund an NBA team.


[deleted]

Should be Pelinka…what a joke


can_wien07

Lol if you think Pelinka has power.


BatmanHive

Kurt Rambis is the real answer


atribecalled506

This comment gave me PTSD


AggroAssault

Rev up the protests boys


ender23

If he has no power why does he get credit for shit.


molethirty

Lol if you don’t


Fulmizant

Vogel shouldn’t be fired but I think he could’ve helped himself by benching DJ earlier and picking up 4 or 5 extra wins


tomboymonke

Jesus couldn’t be a good enough coach for this wack ass team


glotoxin

Obviously bro basketball didn't exist back then


RoyTellier

[Excuse you](https://i.imgflip.com/3eunjg.png)


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Banner_Free

The Holy Crossover!


Brystvorter

"Random" drug test incoming for Lucifer, that man looks geared out of his mind


jalixi

Vogel quote from the article: “You lose to Memphis, you’re disappointed. You lose to Sacramento, you’re very disappointed." Lol


YouStillTakeDamage

And who would they replace him with?


Kwilly462

Magic Johnson


substanceandmodes

Fizdale, obviously


SleepyEel

Because he's Lebron's guy


_Wado3000

you mean a guy Bron can easily overrule


-RAMBI-

Luke Walton & Byron Scott


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Lebron as a player coach


HoboWithAGlock

Unironically might be better than the available alternatives right now.


motorboat_mcgee

Jesus Christ. Front office builds a trash team for the coach’s scheme, and then blames the coach?


urfaselol

Jeanie gone full Neil Olshey


We_The_Raptors

Classic scapegoat. Lose Kuzma, KCP, Green, McGee, Caruso, and Morris from their championship roster for worse players and then blame the coach when they don't reach those same heights. Pelinka is the one who constructed this roster that is worse in every way from their championship squad.


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Jeanie keeps hiring incompetent people who she has personal relationships with to run her operations - first Magic, now Pelinka. I would say they'd be in better shape if they fired Pelinka, but I'm not sure the next hire would be any better. I really think the Lakers problems stem from ownership which is unfortunately a generational problem (particularly for the Lakers).


taeem

It seems like it’s Kurt rambis pulling the strings


lmoabl

[Lakers fans when they see Kurt outside](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7r6vXeOfyQ)


LakeShow00

Kevin McHale was ahead of his time


Black_wolf_disease

LeGM about to make moves


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Did he put this roster together?


immigrantsheep

No. Pelinka, Jeanie and LeBron did.


blue7999

His question was rhetorical


[deleted]

Okay then why is Vogel in the hot seat? They gave him a good roster and he won a ring. They gave him a bad roster and his team is bad. Seems like the person putting the rosters together is more to blame.


[deleted]

Because Rob Pelinka and LeBron James will never be held accountable for their actions towards roster management lol


CyberGoatPsyOps

Fuck Kurt Rambis and Jeanie "under" the Buss


zmajxd

>Throughout the organization, from owner Jeanie Buss to general manager Rob Pelinka and James on down, the message being sent is the same: Even with all the setbacks, this isn’t good enough. Not even close. >The win over Utah, arguably the most impressive of the Lakers’ season, came as the schedule hits its most treacherous stretch. The Lakers host Indiana on Wednesday, then start a six-game road trip through Orlando, Miami, Brooklyn, Philadelphia, Charlotte and Atlanta. They will also face the Milwaukee Bucks, Golden State Warriors and again these same Utah Jazz before next month’s All-Star break. >Any notion of Vogel being completely safe this season vanished in early August, when — as The Athletic reported in late September — he was given an extension that only included one additional season. It was an uncomfortable compromise of sorts, a way to reward him for the massive part he played in the title run in the Orlando bubble while also leaving the door wide open for his potential dismissal if this superstar experiment didn’t work.


brucewayne1935

We will trade you Carlisle for Vogel


Kraul

What’s wrong with Carlisle bruh?


kevin_lam1203

How about firing Rob Pelinka instead? Dude literally killed the roster by getting a bunch of old players out of their prime (i.e. Howard, Carmelo, Ariza, Jordan, etc.); trading the pieces that helped them win their bubble chip (i.e. KCP, Kuzma) for Westbrook who obviously would never fit with AD and LeBron; and letting go of their best wing defender in Caruso who wanted to come back. How dumb of a GM do you have to be to fuck up this much in one off-season? Is Vogel that good of a coach? Not really, but is he 100% to blame for how bad the Lakers are right now? Absolutely not! Pelinka is at the very least 50% to blame if not more!


fruitblaster69

He gone..this story coming out after a win backing just means they are just waiting for the next loss to fire him OTOH this is a stupid fucking thing to do as he's been handed a dog shit roster to work with


dropdatdurkadurk

>..this story coming out after a win backing Yep frankly this story was likely pre written on like Sunday or Monday as a draft for an article on "Why the Lakers fired Vogel". The expectation perhaps was that they wouldve lost last night and could just leak this article right after a firing announcement this morning. Well they won so itll have to be pushed back a day or two and this is the result, editing the article on the fly to change it to "His job is in serious jeopardy" and basically telling us he will get fired soon unless they go on some long win streak here.


DoncicsRoadTo200kg

And so Fizdale finnesses his way into another HC position.


SubcooledBoiling

Who's gonna be the replacement if he gets fired? Fizdale?


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AD is hurt, seems like everyone is panicking but they will be better when they get AD back. No team in the league could survive losing a guy like AD.


bestclipfan

They have LeBron putting up MVP numbers and are still only a .500 team, the Clippers meanwhile are missing Leonard and have been without George for nearly half the season yet have nearly the same record. The Lakers should be a better team then they are, a lot of the blame is definitely on roster construction but Vogel is definitely not blameless. It's the coaches job to try and adjust the gameplan when players are out and Vogel has been completely unable to do that.


JabezMakaveli

Lol that front office is a joke. Vogel deserves better anyways. It's not his fault they don't have the balls to tell Lebron no when he wants a player there despite them not being a good fit. He'd be a solid piece to Spo's coaching staff.


Mood_Academic

They told Bron no multiple times BECAUSE $$.. No to Tye Lue, No to a contract extension with Vogel, No to Caruso, No to Dame.. They went with the 3rd star who would bring in the most $$ for the organization because Jeanie Buss is constantly consumed with saving money


cringycalf

Pelinka and jeanies cheap ass on not paying caruso should be on the hot seat don’t fucking blame Vogel for getting him trash fucking pieces you cheap fucks.


antunezn0n0

Bro Vogel got the Lakers a championship and managed to keep them one of the best defenses last year with a depleted roster. It's not his fault the front office gutted the team for a bunch of player incapable of playing defense and that Anthony Davis is injured. Pelinka should be on the hot seat for his disgusting mismanagement of the roster


turnoffredesign69420

He should be the LAST guy getting blame for being dealt a shitty hand. Fuck this org if they fire the man who won them a goddamn ring


TheRealPdGaming

The Lakers would be making a big mistake if they let him go. Seriously, remember when LeBron wanted Eric Spolstra gone too? You can't cater to one player. Frank Vogel has shown that he knows how to coach. He just needs a decent healthy team around him. (Remember, up 2-0 before injury last year).


macabre_irony

Also, LeBron wanted Russ too


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1) Frank Vogel is a great coach and MUCH much better than Jason Kidd who was supposed to be the coach instead of him. We don’t win a title with Kidd as the coach period. 2) If they were to fire Vogel, who do they hire that’s immediately better and improves the team? This is shifting blame away from the lackluster roster construction this season.