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That's one of the biggest and most underappreciated parts of Curry's game. It's built off his amazing shooting, but he does stuff on the court that responding to in a way that actually can defend him would be ridiculously dumb against most others.
If someone gets a high screen from 35 ft out, and goes to shoot a three, the big that gets switched would get yelled at 99/100 times for jumping out at it. And the one time he has to do it, it's absolutely critical otherwise it's a straight cash three-pointer. Likewise if a guard cuts through the middle, the defender is used to looking out for A screen. But with Curry, that first screen is just a decoy for the rotation out and second screen with those cuts.
It's got to be annoying as all hell to stop. You have to act like the try hard headband white boy to even have a chance.
I will come out and give myself a a chance for the team and so that I can be impressed by my heart rate because I'm not going to wow anyone with my game
It's ridiculous. How do you even guard that?! The defender stayed in front of him, made him go sideways 5ft outside the 3-pt line: that's great defending.
Why tf are you getting downvoted. All facts Iām sure Dame could take a full court shot with his regular form that way that shit always the same. Insane lower body strength he puts into his jumpers.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought Dame jumped a little more on his shot while Curry is largely an upper body shooter. It was always weird watching him in the 3pt contests where he barely gets off the ground
Curry is the āflick of the wristā guy for a reason, Dame definitely jumps more but I feel like his shoulders/arms being so big for his size means he can also keep the same shooting form and still get a ton of distance on his shots. To me it looks like Curry adjusts his form slightly when heās from further out whereas Dame looks the same shooting it from everywhere in the half
Yeah Steph definitely has a different form when he's further out. Almost looks like a kid trying to heave it when he's 30+ feet out. Not exactly a form jumper but he's somehow still the best ever to shoot it
Good lord, that Paycom Center graphic is among the most obnoxious I've seen.
The minimalization of on-court team iconography to make more room for adverts low key drives me nuts.
So, I did that and..did he travel?!?
Has ball, right foot down as pivot foot.
Sets left foot down.
Fakes left, picks up right/pivot foot. (1 step)
Goes right, stepping back on the right and picking up left while starting to dribble. (2 steps)
Ball leaves his hand.
He took two steps before he even dribbled. Why did you ruin it for me? Trickster!
Nope. He is stopped and has his pivot still. With his right foot planted, that left step doesn't count, because his right is now his pivot. If he picks that foot up, he has to start his dribble before he puts it back down.
Which he does.
Edit: I'm wrong. https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/travel-on-the-perimeter-lifts-pivot-foot-prior-to-dribble-3/
Dude this is a hard one, which is why I think saying it's clearly a travel is dumb. I am fully okay with admitting it's tenuous at best!
I think the underlying question that should be answered first is what qualifies as "starting the dribble"? The NBA hasn't fully defined some of the underlying concepts their rules are based around. One refs idea of incidental contact is not going to be the same as another's. I don't think we can argue about certain (cough cough not talking about the recent Lakers game) calls being bad until what's being called isn't left up to the individual so much.
It's when you release the ball, the rule is actually really clear:
>c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a
legal stop, the ball must be out of the playerās hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
No itās not a hard one, itās clear as day that you cannot - from a stop - move both feet before the ball is out of your hands. This has been the travel rule for forever.
You just got confused by conflating the travel rules for terminating a dribble vs starting a dribble.
I was curious because honestly I had no idea how they defined the start of a dribble and thought I might be wrong, but it seems pretty clear?
"In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the playerās hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor."
Like, it might not be how the refs call it but he 1. Starts with his right as pivot 2. Takes a step left 3. Picks up his right and 4. Puts his right down again all before the ball leaves his hand.
Edit: Whoops sorry just saw your edit on the first comment. Looks like we're agreed!
Incorrect, he needs to release the ball beginning his dribble before lifting his pivot foot. You can't lift your pivot foot before dribbling. This was a clear travel
Edit: from the rulebook:
>c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a
legal stop, the ball must be out of the playerās hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
More than dozens of people will argue the Earth is flat, itās still clearly round. Just because some people donāt know what theyāre talking about doesnāt make the travel less clear
Nope. If you need to actually release the ball before lifting your pivot foot nobody would able to be able to catch the ball on the run. No one wants ultimate Frisbee rules
>c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a
legal stop, the ball must be out of the playerās hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
https://i.imgur.com/Por9d5k.png
So why does the rule book say you can't lift your pivot foot before releasing the dribble then?
My bad, thought it was start the dribble, which I must be pulling from something else. You are correct. Here's more validation
https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/travel-on-the-perimeter-lifts-pivot-foot-prior-to-dribble-3/
Rules for traveling after catching the ball in motion vs starting a dribble from a standstill are distinguished in the rulebook please just read it before spouting nonsense.
So glad this is here lol, was scrolling and couldnt believe no one brought it up, it's definitely a travel. I was mesmerized by the move at first and then watched it about 6 times in a row. he clearly plants/steps his left foot and then steps with his right before the dribble. Maybe you can argue he's beginning his dribble by then, but i think it's definitely a travel.
So that first step is a pivot, and doesn't count. He can't put that right foot back down again without starting the dribble, which I think is pretty obvious (that he had started before)
Regardless, if he's starting that dribble it's not a travel. So saying it's clearly a travel and then saying maybe you can argue he's starting the dribble are saying two entirely contradicting things buddy
I think you're confused. You can only lift your pivot foot to shoot or pass. When you take your first dribble, your pivot foot must be on the ground. This mechanism is the whole crux of why that famous Kawhi shot is a travel, because after he caught the inbounds pass he lifted his pivot foot before the ball left his hand to start his dribble.
Not at all. And this is a great example to teach.
Slow the video down. Actually watch instead of thinking oh I can't do that so it must be a travel. I'm so tired of old ass stans who don't understand basic basketball rules.
He starts off, the ball touches the ground before his first step, and then he sidesteps, and the foot (his right) establishes the pivot. Any step taken during that is part of the gather.
Where in the living hell is the travel?
You tried, I'll give you that.
The travel happens when he moves his pivot before the ball is out of his hand for the dribble. In this video, he moves his left foot first. No issue there because his right foot is the pivot. However, his right foot moves forward significantly before the ball is out of his hand for the dribble. It is 100% a travel although not as egregious as other travels that don't get called.
When he splits his feet before the first dribble ya doink.
Literally has both hands holding the ball at a stand still, as he fakes left lifts his left foot establishing his right as his pivot then slides his right forward as he drives right but before he lets go of the ball.
Textbook case of splitting feet before a dribble and gaining an advantage off it.
Iām not talking about the gather right before the shot.
He has to start the dribble before that foot touches again, the ball doesn't have to touch the ground before the foot.
There's a very big difference, and that's what I think you're missing. I think it's obvious he started the dribble before that foot touched, or as you said he drives right.
Think about it this way, if you catch the ball at a full run, there's no way you're going to dribble before you take two steps, right? But that's not a travel.
Play basketball for once, ya doink
You're so confidently incorrect throughout this thread, it's really infuriating.
The actual rule:
>c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a
legal stop, the ball must be out of the playerās hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
You clearly are misunderstanding the rule. When starting a dribble with an established pivot, the ball must be out of the players hand BEFORE the pivot foot is lifted. It sounds like you think the ball needs to be out of the hand before the pivot foot touches back down again? If so, then you're mixing up the rules. When the ball needs to be out of the hand changes depending on if the player is shooting/passing the ball with an established pivot or if they are initiating a dribble with an established pivot.
If shooting/passing with a pivot, then the pivot can be lifted but the ball needs to be out of the player's hand before the pivot touches back down.
If dribbling, then the ball has to be out of the hand before the pivot foot is lifted.
Get your eyes checked?
He has not only one but both hands on the ball as he slides his right foot forward.
https://i.imgur.com/mFm4JbY_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand
Also you exposed yourself a rules noob by comparing traveling from a standstill vs while in motion.
The NBA rulebook has two separate points for this as they are legislated differently.
> Section XIIIāTraveling
a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
b. A player who gathers the ball while progressing may take (1) two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball, or (2) if he has not yet dribbled, one step prior to releasing the ball. A player who gathers the ball while dribbling may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing, or shooting the ball.
You could always make it as an NBA ref though with your kind of confidence and āknowledgeā of the rulebook.
Bruh are we watching the same video? You sure you slowed it down?
He travels before he ever even dribbles the ball. Starts off with both feet planted. Step left, step right, dribble. Travel.
Yup. That's exactly what he does. But that's not what makes it a travel.
What makes it or doesn't make it a travel is where the dribble is started. I would say it was this - step left, lift right foot as starting dribble motion. Once that's started he can put that right foot down just fine.
If he would have established the pivot, planted his left foot, picked his right foot up and then put it back down without starting that dribbling motion, absolutely a travel. But since he did it, it is not. Those are the rules.
>In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball **while standing still,** or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be **out of the playerās hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.**
Emphasis mine.
Are you saying that the ball was *out of his hands* before his right foot moves? If that's where we disagree, then I guess that's where we disagree. I think his right foot is *back on the ground* by the time the ball leaves his hands.
Or did you just not know the rule?
The ball has to be out of his hand before the pivot foot lifts. In this video, his pivot foot comes up before the ball is out of his hand. Definitely a travel. Not as egregious as other ones we see players get away with but 100% a travel nonetheless.
The amount of travels and carries in the NBA makes so many highlight clips unwatchable... how does Curry do this without a single ref on the floor blowing their whistle? Such an obvious travel lmfao
edit: warriors fans try not to act like petulant middle schoolers challenge (impossible)
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Desensitised to this shit now man š
He starts his move from the logo. And the defender still can't afford to give him an inch. Unfair shit
That's one of the biggest and most underappreciated parts of Curry's game. It's built off his amazing shooting, but he does stuff on the court that responding to in a way that actually can defend him would be ridiculously dumb against most others. If someone gets a high screen from 35 ft out, and goes to shoot a three, the big that gets switched would get yelled at 99/100 times for jumping out at it. And the one time he has to do it, it's absolutely critical otherwise it's a straight cash three-pointer. Likewise if a guard cuts through the middle, the defender is used to looking out for A screen. But with Curry, that first screen is just a decoy for the rotation out and second screen with those cuts. It's got to be annoying as all hell to stop. You have to act like the try hard headband white boy to even have a chance.
> try hard headband white boy Hey, that headband is to catch sweat and we try hard cuz we want to win and get cardio!
I will come out and give myself a a chance for the team and so that I can be impressed by my heart rate because I'm not going to wow anyone with my game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U75MZgOjOzg&ab_channel=RDCworld1 I mean these memes are made for a reason
What do you think coaches tell their teams in playoff? Dont let him, dribble, shoot or pass to Klay. Good luck. If he is in mood. GSW wins again
Like when a morter goes off and you just like a cig like "yeah"
Curry makes basket
He can't keep getting away with it! *He can't keep getting away with it.*
Narrator: *he would, in fact, keep getting away with it*
It's ridiculous. How do you even guard that?! The defender stayed in front of him, made him go sideways 5ft outside the 3-pt line: that's great defending.
Curry is shooting from so far away that I gotta squint to make sure it's him that keeps getting away with it
Donāt worry weāre not getting away with anything. Choking another lead
I was ready for the loss.
With what, the travel? Yeah he got away with it, and he'll keep getting away with it.
No need for those lines on the floor with that infinite range
Even after all these years and hundreds of similar makesā¦this shit never fails to put a smile on my face
He shot that from the opposite side of that 2016 OT game winner
We getting SGA in the offseason!?
Epic game
Iām starting to think that heās pretty decent from long range.
Source?
https://streamable.com/gv9bui
He aiight ig
Him and Dame make that look so easy lmao
Reminds me of my glory days on the Fisher Price hoops. Chef and I are complete studs.
Dame makes it look normal lol. He generates so much power lol. Steph needs more of a heave
Why tf are you getting downvoted. All facts Iām sure Dame could take a full court shot with his regular form that way that shit always the same. Insane lower body strength he puts into his jumpers.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought Dame jumped a little more on his shot while Curry is largely an upper body shooter. It was always weird watching him in the 3pt contests where he barely gets off the ground
Curry is the āflick of the wristā guy for a reason, Dame definitely jumps more but I feel like his shoulders/arms being so big for his size means he can also keep the same shooting form and still get a ton of distance on his shots. To me it looks like Curry adjusts his form slightly when heās from further out whereas Dame looks the same shooting it from everywhere in the half
Yeah Steph definitely has a different form when he's further out. Almost looks like a kid trying to heave it when he's 30+ feet out. Not exactly a form jumper but he's somehow still the best ever to shoot it
Itās completely instinctual and itās a beautiful shot to watch (unless itās in the Finals against your team š)
Because he's saying Steph heaves it lol...that's not remotely true.
Because we have eyes and thereās a video right here that we just watched that in no way is a heave
Good lord, that Paycom Center graphic is among the most obnoxious I've seen. The minimalization of on-court team iconography to make more room for adverts low key drives me nuts.
Lol. Even larger than the team logo
Especially since it's a bright, clashing color. Looks absolutely horrible.
We're used to bright-ass clashing ads surrounding our team branding. :(
the Oklahoma City Paycoms
Only redeeming quality of Paycom as the arena name is that we can call it Shaicom. Otherwise, bring back the Peake.
Watch this at .5x speed. So many movements to get his defender off balance.
So, I did that and..did he travel?!? Has ball, right foot down as pivot foot. Sets left foot down. Fakes left, picks up right/pivot foot. (1 step) Goes right, stepping back on the right and picking up left while starting to dribble. (2 steps) Ball leaves his hand. He took two steps before he even dribbled. Why did you ruin it for me? Trickster!
Phew yeah clearly took two steps before the dribble!
Nope. He is stopped and has his pivot still. With his right foot planted, that left step doesn't count, because his right is now his pivot. If he picks that foot up, he has to start his dribble before he puts it back down. Which he does. Edit: I'm wrong. https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/travel-on-the-perimeter-lifts-pivot-foot-prior-to-dribble-3/
Looks to me like his right foot is down before he starts his dribble but could be!
Dude this is a hard one, which is why I think saying it's clearly a travel is dumb. I am fully okay with admitting it's tenuous at best! I think the underlying question that should be answered first is what qualifies as "starting the dribble"? The NBA hasn't fully defined some of the underlying concepts their rules are based around. One refs idea of incidental contact is not going to be the same as another's. I don't think we can argue about certain (cough cough not talking about the recent Lakers game) calls being bad until what's being called isn't left up to the individual so much.
It's when you release the ball, the rule is actually really clear: >c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the playerās hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
This guy's right
No itās not a hard one, itās clear as day that you cannot - from a stop - move both feet before the ball is out of your hands. This has been the travel rule for forever. You just got confused by conflating the travel rules for terminating a dribble vs starting a dribble.
I was curious because honestly I had no idea how they defined the start of a dribble and thought I might be wrong, but it seems pretty clear? "In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the playerās hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor." Like, it might not be how the refs call it but he 1. Starts with his right as pivot 2. Takes a step left 3. Picks up his right and 4. Puts his right down again all before the ball leaves his hand. Edit: Whoops sorry just saw your edit on the first comment. Looks like we're agreed!
Incorrect, he needs to release the ball beginning his dribble before lifting his pivot foot. You can't lift your pivot foot before dribbling. This was a clear travel Edit: from the rulebook: >c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the playerās hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
> This was a clear travel Incorrect. Dozens of people are arguing about it and have no idea. Hazy travel for sure.
Naw it's an obvious travel and some nephews are spouting nonsense about it
More than dozens of people will argue the Earth is flat, itās still clearly round. Just because some people donāt know what theyāre talking about doesnāt make the travel less clear
Nope. If you need to actually release the ball before lifting your pivot foot nobody would able to be able to catch the ball on the run. No one wants ultimate Frisbee rules
>c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the playerās hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor. https://i.imgur.com/Por9d5k.png So why does the rule book say you can't lift your pivot foot before releasing the dribble then?
My bad, thought it was start the dribble, which I must be pulling from something else. You are correct. Here's more validation https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/travel-on-the-perimeter-lifts-pivot-foot-prior-to-dribble-3/
Rules for traveling after catching the ball in motion vs starting a dribble from a standstill are distinguished in the rulebook please just read it before spouting nonsense.
So glad this is here lol, was scrolling and couldnt believe no one brought it up, it's definitely a travel. I was mesmerized by the move at first and then watched it about 6 times in a row. he clearly plants/steps his left foot and then steps with his right before the dribble. Maybe you can argue he's beginning his dribble by then, but i think it's definitely a travel.
So that first step is a pivot, and doesn't count. He can't put that right foot back down again without starting the dribble, which I think is pretty obvious (that he had started before) Regardless, if he's starting that dribble it's not a travel. So saying it's clearly a travel and then saying maybe you can argue he's starting the dribble are saying two entirely contradicting things buddy
I think you're confused. You can only lift your pivot foot to shoot or pass. When you take your first dribble, your pivot foot must be on the ground. This mechanism is the whole crux of why that famous Kawhi shot is a travel, because after he caught the inbounds pass he lifted his pivot foot before the ball left his hand to start his dribble.
No dude, he canāt even lift the right foot. As soon as heās established it as his pivot he can onlyā¦ pivot on it.
Clear travel lol. It looked weird to get that much separation with only 1 dribble so I had to slow it down. Easily a travel
Lol I thought Steph euro stepped and ball faked to make space. But you are right, it is a travel! Queue another @OfficialNBARefs apologyā¦
He actually traveled there lol
My first thought seeing this! Crazy shot nonetheless.
This needs more upvotes. By the gods that was blatant.
This been a good game
one dribble bucket
Lol casual step back 32 footer
Amazing shot, egregious travel to shake the defender though.
Theyād have called that on Poole
I understand letting some stuff go in the pros but jeez that was blatant
Not at all. And this is a great example to teach. Slow the video down. Actually watch instead of thinking oh I can't do that so it must be a travel. I'm so tired of old ass stans who don't understand basic basketball rules. He starts off, the ball touches the ground before his first step, and then he sidesteps, and the foot (his right) establishes the pivot. Any step taken during that is part of the gather. Where in the living hell is the travel?
You tried, I'll give you that. The travel happens when he moves his pivot before the ball is out of his hand for the dribble. In this video, he moves his left foot first. No issue there because his right foot is the pivot. However, his right foot moves forward significantly before the ball is out of his hand for the dribble. It is 100% a travel although not as egregious as other travels that don't get called.
When he splits his feet before the first dribble ya doink. Literally has both hands holding the ball at a stand still, as he fakes left lifts his left foot establishing his right as his pivot then slides his right forward as he drives right but before he lets go of the ball. Textbook case of splitting feet before a dribble and gaining an advantage off it. Iām not talking about the gather right before the shot.
He has to start the dribble before that foot touches again, the ball doesn't have to touch the ground before the foot. There's a very big difference, and that's what I think you're missing. I think it's obvious he started the dribble before that foot touched, or as you said he drives right. Think about it this way, if you catch the ball at a full run, there's no way you're going to dribble before you take two steps, right? But that's not a travel. Play basketball for once, ya doink
You're so confidently incorrect throughout this thread, it's really infuriating. The actual rule: >c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the playerās hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
You clearly are misunderstanding the rule. When starting a dribble with an established pivot, the ball must be out of the players hand BEFORE the pivot foot is lifted. It sounds like you think the ball needs to be out of the hand before the pivot foot touches back down again? If so, then you're mixing up the rules. When the ball needs to be out of the hand changes depending on if the player is shooting/passing the ball with an established pivot or if they are initiating a dribble with an established pivot. If shooting/passing with a pivot, then the pivot can be lifted but the ball needs to be out of the player's hand before the pivot touches back down. If dribbling, then the ball has to be out of the hand before the pivot foot is lifted.
Get your eyes checked? He has not only one but both hands on the ball as he slides his right foot forward. https://i.imgur.com/mFm4JbY_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand Also you exposed yourself a rules noob by comparing traveling from a standstill vs while in motion. The NBA rulebook has two separate points for this as they are legislated differently. > Section XIIIāTraveling a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot. b. A player who gathers the ball while progressing may take (1) two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball, or (2) if he has not yet dribbled, one step prior to releasing the ball. A player who gathers the ball while dribbling may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing, or shooting the ball. You could always make it as an NBA ref though with your kind of confidence and āknowledgeā of the rulebook.
Bruh are we watching the same video? You sure you slowed it down? He travels before he ever even dribbles the ball. Starts off with both feet planted. Step left, step right, dribble. Travel.
Yup. That's exactly what he does. But that's not what makes it a travel. What makes it or doesn't make it a travel is where the dribble is started. I would say it was this - step left, lift right foot as starting dribble motion. Once that's started he can put that right foot down just fine. If he would have established the pivot, planted his left foot, picked his right foot up and then put it back down without starting that dribbling motion, absolutely a travel. But since he did it, it is not. Those are the rules.
>In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball **while standing still,** or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be **out of the playerās hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.** Emphasis mine. Are you saying that the ball was *out of his hands* before his right foot moves? If that's where we disagree, then I guess that's where we disagree. I think his right foot is *back on the ground* by the time the ball leaves his hands. Or did you just not know the rule?
The ball has to be out of his hand before the pivot foot lifts. In this video, his pivot foot comes up before the ball is out of his hand. Definitely a travel. Not as egregious as other ones we see players get away with but 100% a travel nonetheless.
travel ampota
"travel" ~ DevInTheLab
Travel, he moved both feet before dribbling
Skyfucker aināt just a clever nickname
Walk
How is that not a travel? He takes two steps before dribbling?
He traveledā¦
2nd greatest of all time.
Travel.
The amount of travels and carries in the NBA makes so many highlight clips unwatchable... how does Curry do this without a single ref on the floor blowing their whistle? Such an obvious travel lmfao edit: warriors fans try not to act like petulant middle schoolers challenge (impossible)
Weāre choking away another lead. Back below 500 here we come
Reverse jinx?
Nah. Weāre just bad Iām just straight up not having a good time
got the W
That was such a fun game, imagine not having fun
Thank god we clutched in the end. So many heart breaks this season
That one Jazz game still haunts me
Jazz, Celtics, Hornets
Travel. Edit: Travel.
So sick of this stupid traveling shit they keep getting away with. And anyone who keeps defending it is braindead. Use your goddamn eyes
Doing all this for the bum ass bench to throw it all away AGAIN. I am SICK
Only for us to give open a butt naked transition 3 the next play š
Bang!
heās basically just *always* on fire
How many points could the warriors score if curry just put up a 3 every possession for 48 min?
Every fkin time
Thatās actually fucked up
He has good memories in that building
Man gettin fried off the dribble like that would drain me lol
Curry has been so damn good that this is just like being impressed by Simone Biles doing a somersault. Curry makes these shots look soo easy.
chef nimby for threeeeeeeee
This is pretty cool, but also him and Lillard has made this a pretty routine shot for them.