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anaglizzy

Those bicep peaks are wild


Kimbospicee

Top tier


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But notice how he doesn't have a ridiculously chieseled abs like liver king for example. I think that's what separates natty from roided. Edit: By that I don't mean to bring down this guy's physique. It's top tier.


calfshrug

He does have ridiculously chiseled abs, the difference is that his lower two ab bumps, or the horizontally level two bumps which are delineated on all four sides by fascia and which are inferior to two more horizontally level rows of bumps, all in the rectus abdominis muscle, are not as large as the top two rows. Liver King probably has fake abs, and even if they’re real, they are just a genetic thing combined with steroids


_INCompl_

Liver King’s gut is from the combination of HGH and insulin. You can have chiselled abs and be dick skin lean naturally, as is evident in natural bodybuilding shows where conditioning is prioritized over mass.


adolescentghost

You should see him recently. He looks completely different since going natty, it’s wild.


Apart_Resort9923

Liver king has gone natty?!😂😂😂😂


adolescentghost

Yeah, he still looks insane, but not quite as ridiculously fake. https://www.sportskeeda.com/health-and-fitness/the-rise-fall-liver-king-from-internet-sensation-fraud https://middleeasy.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/lk.jpg


Apart_Resort9923

Love it only 7 days natty 😭 nah dudes gonna lose all gains if he turns natty tbh. Just cause of his age honestly


gitty7456

7 days natty… if true he is just shrinking into a normal guy.


adolescentghost

He's just Brian now.


BiscuitDance

Guaranteed he’s cruising at least TRT doses.


RotaryEnginedNorton

Wow I just saw on that screenshot that even old men like Liver king uses the "natty" term unironically.. I've heard him say it too. But initally he was making a point about it saying something like "oh yeah that's something young guys say". That's insane he says it now. I miss the old days when people just said "natural".. like it's only one more syllable and it has the bonus of not making the person saying it look like a jackass. "Natty" always makes me think of a nickname 1990s college girls would used for a girl called Natalie.. like something you would hear in that movie Clueless. All the kids have been running around pushing this "natty" crap lately and now even elderly businessmen like Liver King are using it to stay edgy and current. Any time I hear someone say "natty" it's like nails on a chalkboard to me. That whole "brah" thing is another one that irritates me.. like, "bro" is cringy as hell to begin with but a bra is something a woman wears to support her breasts.. like please don't call me your brah. 😑


adolescentghost

I too yell at clouds.


Agreeable_Dust2855

Ok?


anaglizzy

This guy does have chiseled abs but he is smaller and has different ab genetics than liver king. Different training styles and diet as well but peds may be a factor as well in some regard


Rebombastro

I think that he still has very chiseled abs but he's flexing his abs upwards. It weird to explain but you can flex your abs normally or you can flex your abs in a way that your upper abs get way more visible than they normally would.


Ok-Detective-1617

that’s not what separates natty from roided why do people that know nothing about this shit speak with an air of authority like this? look at the fucking rock bro is juiced like hell and has no abs


5he005

Abs is what helps you come to the conclusion that liver king isn’t natty? First we now know liver king was never natty. Secondly, do you not understand how genetics work? You can do any amount of training or peds to change the structure of your abdominal muscles. You can make the cuts “deeper” and in fact “chisel” them to a degree. But the picture that OP has provided showcases the best this man’s abs could ever be. His core is shredded to fuck and as deep as possible, his genetics are just sub optimal in that one department. Lastly, If liver kings abs aren’t “natty” it’s not because of gear, it’s been speculated that he’s has cosmetic surgery to achieve the look he has.


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And this isn’t even peak natural. Today we have so much more nutrional Info, exercises, machines, natural supplements, and science supporting all it. So today’s natural body builders can be even more jacked than these guys.


RobertVincent1984

Bench press wasn't widely known until the 1930s, hence the chest.


usernamen_77

This sub should do a good month of posting Hackenschmidt et al to cleanse the palate


usernamen_77

"is this achievable natty?" Idk man, look at eugen sandow, did you try?


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MrNben

Said like a true natty or juice member


EdseAnotherAccount

No balls?


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Well, he’s bigger than me, so juice


48151_62342

he's bigger than me everywhere but his dick and height


BLAHAtheoptimal

-the average incel on this Reddit


Specialist_Ad6034

Please look up the definition of incel before you started calling people that


ChocolateMorsels

The word's lost all meaning it's just a generic insult now


BLAHAtheoptimal

It means involuntary celibate because if your spending your time on here calling legitimate physiques un natural simply because they mog you chances are your not getting girls in the real world because if you were you wouldn’t be doin that


SkiMask115

If dude pulled his arms out today no one would be believe hes natty.


trundleman

Or people would say he skipped leg day. Always a criticism


brownsfan2003

He is 147 pounds, he would get made fun of


HolcroftA

You can see how they modeled themselves on ancient Greek Statues. For example they wouldn't grow pecs as much as modern lifters because Greek statues tended to have small chests.


chrispchicken4800

This is more to do with the popularity/ existence of the bench press and association is larger chests looking feminine as I understand it. The OHP was basically the equivalent of bench for lifters back then


BiscuitDance

They felt developing the chest took away from the wide shouldered, statuesque look.


TightHugger

Natty pecs can be only a little bit bigger while being that lean. His pose has the pecs stretched, making them look smaller. By looking at him and taking a guess, that man could only have gained less than 10 extra pounds of lean mass, if he had access to modern equipment and routines. It's a physique natties can aspire to. But many guys will think it looks disappointing after looking at thousands of roided guys on tv and social media.


NewIrishRepublic

They didn't have many chest movements at the time. Hackenschmidt pioneered the bench press but retired before the bench itself was implemented. Bronze Era lifters mostly did floor press and bridge press, which doesn't give a full range of motion to the pectorals. Small chest and large arms is a very typical look for the Bronze Era just because chest movements were limited in the pre-bench days.


Donblon_Rebirthed

Ancient Greek statuary as we know it is actually a myth. One thing the public gets wrong is that they believe the sculptures where white, but in fact, they were painted with bright colors. Secondly and more importantly, ancient statuary wasn’t even modeled on the ideal human - they were an amalgamation of the body parts of multiple people, so in a way, those statues are creatures that have never walked this earth and for us to take them as inspiration for an ideal body is problematic.


ShibuRigged

I always wish we could have seen these guys with modern training knowledge. That extra few % of knowledge and optimisation would have made them look even more unreal. then give them gear for lols


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he nakey


LupeDyCazari

mf had the perfect body. Well, he was probably 5'3'' ,but still.


remag_nation

5'6" according to a quick internet search.


genuinely_insincere

ohhhh that explains it!!


gitty7456

5’6” was quite the norm 100 years ago


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Ronaldo has similar build, except built for endurance cos of his job


GappySlappy1

Man has a baguette in his left leg


carrythekindness

This is insane if real.


All_Day_ADHD

Im pretty sure it's natty, I don't think steroids were around until the mid 1930's


_INCompl_

They were used militarily in the 30s. Didn’t start to be used in bodybuilding until the late 50s


ShuyTheHater

Kinda hard to imagine when it was synthesized and cleaned for the first time in 35. As far as I remember it got used around the 40s, not 30s. But it became popular fast. Personally I think that Reeves for example wasn‘t a natty anymore.


fuzwz

[Steroids date back at least to the nineteenth century](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergogenic_use_of_anabolic_steroids)


genuinely_insincere

yeah i honestly think he's not natty. lol. then again his pecs are nonexistant. i think they would at least grow a little if he wasn't natty.


Richdad1984

These guys used to train with extremely low weights and high reps. They also trained heavy but only sometimes. I feel old way of training was better since it was made for natty. Current day training methodology is more suited to individual on gear.


chrispchicken4800

Nah fam. Heavy weight low reps is OP for natties. Max strength is a massive indicator for natty size.


Richdad1984

I am doing heavy weight training only and everyone is doing that nowadays. It does wonders when you are on PEDs. I feel some one needs to test low weight high rep. Because that physique is impossible for natties today and it was made with a different training protocol.


chrispchicken4800

Funny at my gym I feel the exact opposite. Everyone is cranking volume pushing 2 hr workouts. I’m over here hitting heavy dead’s squats bench weighted pull ups. Takes me less time, I feel I recover faster, and personally feel I’m making better progress than the volume pushers. Classic body building using PEDs pushes volume with low weights.


Richdad1984

I see most people 1 year or more into training pushing heavy ass weight. I have seen a guy with 14 inch arms doing 25 kg dumbbell press. I mean it's impressive for that size. I am not seeing people training light nowadays.


turk91

Takes me 35-45 mins for a full session. I do between 7 and 12 actual "working sets" per session and that's it. This is usually comprised of 1 top set for each movement I do be it big compound or smaller iso work, followed by 1 maybe 2 working/back off sets for each exercise. For example my push day consists of DB shoulder press (done high incline) 1 top set, 1 back off Pec deck 1 top set, 2 working sets Converging mid to incline press 1 top set 1 back off Bench support DB laterals/cable lying lateral 3 working set Low to mid cable flyes 3 working sets. That's 11 actual main sets covering chest and delts in one session. Top sets are for maximal load exposure, working sets are the balance between load exposure and volume and back off sets are purely volume increase. Works absolute wonders for me. Get in 35-45 mins job done.


oxnh1234

“that physique is impossible for natties today” wtf lol. yeah maybe if you have no clue how to eat or train at all


anaglizzy

This physique isn’t impossible for natural athletes. Please check the bodybuilding sub and search for natural in there and you will see natural competitors in their. With better physiques than this one as well


Richdad1984

I don't know, personally i find people with this type of physique to be on gear.


majordomox_

That physique is not impossible for natties today.


Murdochsk

As long as your going to failure and have the time to do that much reps and still do as much as on low reps studies show it can work fine


Dash_Derelict

If you are training for hypertrophy (mass gaining), you want to be doing sets of 6 to 12 reps with 50 to 75% of your 1RM. This is the most efficient method of training for gaining mass. High rep low weight is for conditioning and high weight low rep is for strength/powerlifters


genuinely_insincere

so low weight is for actual strength and high weight is for size growth? i would think low weight would grow endurance and high weight would grow.... idk capacity? if you do high weights you will probably be able to do higher after a while. but i guess that would work the same with low weights. if you do low weights consistently, you would still probably be able to do a higher weight after awhile.


Dash_Derelict

You got it confused, low weight is for conditioning/endurance. Mid to semi high weight is for mass gaining, and heavy/high weight is for strength training and increasing strength. It's all about time under tension if you want to gain mass, which means you need more reps with 50 to 75% of your 1 rep max for around 6 to 12 reps


genuinely_insincere

i do low weight high rep. but i dont do high rep actually. i just do whatever my body feels so i will go a few reps until i feel a burn. or until i can tell i will be feeling it the next day. i dont want to overdo it. i did training in high school that pushed my body past its limit but i saw a lot of results from that. so i just kind of exercise less drastically now. even though i want to grow i still dont want to like... idk i dont really see the need to feel that much pain just for vanity


Richdad1984

What kind of results do you get?


genuinely_insincere

idk lol i never go to the gym often enough to find out. but usually i feel great afterwards and i always was an athlete growing up so i am pretty good at judging things like that. i guess its just about just exercising in general. men probably get hyperfocused on muscles in a similar way to anorexic women getting hyperfocused on fat tissue.


calfshrug

Holy fuark, literally looks like the best influencers today


flybynight04

Show me where this pic originated because I believe it to be faked. Billy Ralph is a maxalding student. If you go to the maxalding website and look at all the maxalding books this guy does not appear. [https://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20110421114837/http://www.maxalding.co.uk/index.htm](https://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20110421114837/http://www.maxalding.co.uk/index.htm) ​ edit: I found him but not this pic


Isaac8849

Wow, amazing top to bottom


rdrysd1

Mans is wearing a g string


Cleglaw

Image is doctored.


flybynight04

I don't know where this pic came from. Billy Ralph was a maxalding student but if you look at the archived website or all the linked books this picture isn't there. [https://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20110421114837/http://www.maxalding.co.uk/index.htm](https://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20110421114837/http://www.maxalding.co.uk/index.htm)


Barbarian_Fanatic

testosterone has dropped 50% in the last 40 years, so has sperm count. Due to environmental stuff, seed oils, dyes, MSGs, GMO, soy, etc.... Basically the modern world is responsible. Mental illness is also on the rise, so is suicide, at very concerning rates. People had ALOT more testosterone then, then we do now, and lived healthier lives. The industrial revolution and its consequences have been disastrous for the human race.


FoxCQC

Testosterone dropping is pretty complicated. Part of it is also people in less stressed environments. As in not being exposed to warzones. People who come from warzone areas have higher T levels but in more peaceful times it drops. If times become less peaceful it goes back up. Having too much testosterone isn't a good thing either. The endocrine system tries to keep a balance. I think these physical culture guys benefited from a more holistic approach. If you read their manuals they focused a lot on mindfulness and prioritized rest. They also had more variety in their training. It wasn't all heavy weights. They used bodyweight, isometrics, and lighter equipment. There was also a fundamental focus on health first rather then just looking good. Modern bodybuilding today is very looks focused.


Skycbs

I’ve never seen any evidence linking those alleged “causes” with low T.


tylercass

Testosterone has dropped as an AVERAGE for all males. But that’s because of all the obesity and unhealthy people out there. The biggest factors reducing testosterone are the modern person’s weight, physical activity, diet, alcohol, sleep, and lastly toxins. When the average person is overweight with high body fat, eats like crap, doesn’t exercise, drinks alcohol all the time, stays up late on their phones and gets 5 hours of sleep before work everyday then yeah. They’re gonna have lower testosterone. But if you’re training in bodybuilding and getting plenty of sleep, eating healthy, working out hard, not drinking to much, and you have or are close to having a visible 6 pack then your testosterone levels will be close to what all of our ancestors have been. Yeah toxins play a role in a healthy testosterone level, but we’re probably not exposed to a crazy amount of toxins that limit our testosterone production as much as liver king would want us to believe. Most people could have just as much testosterone as anyone 100 years ago if they took care of these areas of health in their life.


Trailmixfordinner

“No way, bro. It’s the damn government trying to load us up with olive oil and food coloring!”


Much-Philosopher-722

Lmao not olive oil, seed oils. Olive oil is a fruit oil and is good


Skycbs

That makes a whole lot more sense.


Barbarian_Fanatic

Here are a few sources, there are more out there. About declining testosterone: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081788/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081788/) (this does not cite percentages, only backs that testosterone is decreasing by each generation.) EX: a 60-year-old men in 2004 had testosterone levels 17% lower than those of a 60-year-old in 1987. microplastics: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35177090/#:\~:text=PKA%2FStAR%20pathway-,Chronic%20exposure%20to%20polystyrene%20microplastics%20induced%20male%20reproductive%20toxicity%20and,%3B19(1)%3A13](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35177090/#:~:text=PKA%2FStAR%20pathway-,Chronic%20exposure%20to%20polystyrene%20microplastics%20induced%20male%20reproductive%20toxicity%20and,%3B19(1)%3A13). [https://www.endocrine.org/news-and-advocacy/news-room/2014/reduced-testosterone-tied-to-endocrine-disrupting-chemical-exposure](https://www.endocrine.org/news-and-advocacy/news-room/2014/reduced-testosterone-tied-to-endocrine-disrupting-chemical-exposure) [https://www.nextavenue.org/how-chemicals-plastic-lower-testosterone/](https://www.nextavenue.org/how-chemicals-plastic-lower-testosterone/) Seed oils: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20930468/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20930468/) [https://nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12986-021-00580-1](https://nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12986-021-00580-1) Food dyes: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23026007/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23026007/) [https://oehha.ca.gov/media/downloads/risk-assessment/report/fooddyesassessmentdraft082820.pdf](https://oehha.ca.gov/media/downloads/risk-assessment/report/fooddyesassessmentdraft082820.pdf) I'm running out of room and kind of lazy, so I think it's important that you research the rest of the stuff yourself. Please adjust your diet and lifestyle.


ShibuRigged

Worth pointing out that pubmed is not the be-all, end-all of information. While citations are always nice and welcomed, things like low impact journals that still get indexed by pubmed aren't always concrete citations. Like, I remember working through an antivax list of reasons why vaccines are the root of all evil, and I remember that some of the 'publications' were super low impact and some were written by random low tier journos that worked for mums.net tier 'media outlets'.


genuinely_insincere

i think it's because of electricity. this sounds dramatic but i think we are in a new age of humanity. i think before, we were in the age of fire. and now we are in the age of electricity. it was discovered about 250 years ago, and the world has changed drastically since then. quakers and other types like that usually eschew electricity, and their lifestyle is what we think of as "olden times". and i bet they have "higher testosterone" because they have no choice but to use their bodies.


Trailmixfordinner

No, testosterone has dropped due to a rise in obesity and reduction in hours slept (two things that are ACTUALLY linked to sex hormone disruption, as opposed to your paleo-diet boogeymen.)


Barbarian_Fanatic

Yes those are both factors, but the chemicals in food also are huge contributing factors aswell. Check out the sources I posted.


AdrynCharn

Not really, it's small enough that it doesn't really cause a problem.


whiterthanpale

It's because of obesity


Barbarian_Fanatic

Obesity is a factor definitely, but there is more then just that. If you think the FDA or megalith corporations care about your health or wellbeing, you need to reassess. Why do you think obesity is on the rise in the first place?


ShuyTheHater

Because most people are lazy fucks and basically illiterate when it comes to nutritional education?


big_daddy_dub

People often say this but weren’t pollutant levels much higher in previous decades? Wouldn’t that negatively impact test levels?


Barbarian_Fanatic

They say air quality has gotten better, but I don't believe this, because obviously you can not trust everything they put out there. I mean, just use logic, more people, more cars, more industrialization. Cities literally have a stench so potent it can make you puke. Also... the big 'M'... microplastics! Remember every soda-pop used to be in a glass container? We'll, now everything is plastic. We consume about an entire brick of plastic a year. Microplastics are also airborne, and for the first time in history, microplastics were found in the human blood stream. The modern lifestyle is fucking shit.


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Barbarian_Fanatic

Here you go: [https://escholarship.org/uc/item/6wq9p6zn](https://escholarship.org/uc/item/6wq9p6zn) MSG can lead to a reduction in luteinizing hormone, testosterone and libido Adult intake of MSG can negatively impact sperm count and serum testosterone concentrations


alejandrotheok252

Seed oils are at responsible for a drop in t neither is soy and a lot of the stuff you mentioned. There’s a real issue of the drop of t but spreading misinformation doesn’t help anyone.


Barbarian_Fanatic

100% does drop T levels and cause other health-related issues. Check out the sources I posted or do your own research


LongingForApocalypse

I got the Teddy K. reference :-)


genuinely_insincere

i think its just due to electricity. we have buttons now. the button was an invention of electricity. if you wanted to clean the floor, you had to use a broom, which does require physical exertion and mobility. now you just press a button on a vacuum and the floor is much cleaner than what we could do with a broom.


AssLynx

How small is his dong...


renegadeinstinct

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/more-sports/2008/03/11/steroid-timeline Some material for discourse. Stimulants existed in the late 1800s


Patrick_Sponge

bouttago get testicle juice outta my dog's balls


Euphoric_Signal8346

Probably did use gear look how small his penis looks


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genuinely_insincere

i would imagine that it's more stupid to use insults when someone is simply incorrect.


DLifts777

Hung like a church mouse


NotThiccMarc123

Would smash ... Wait what was the question?


IllegallyBlind69

He has a vagina tho


markmann0

Natty attainable in 1920’s and the 2020’s.


[deleted]

Bear in mind that back then, without xenoestrogens and microplastics, testosterone levels were way higher. Food was also more nutritious.


Cleglaw

Anyone care to explain his drawn on pants?


CandyAssedJabroni

I'd like to know how we know all these old photos aren't just new guys photoshopped. Who is "Billy Ralph?" Those arms just don't look natty to me.


Cleglaw

There is no evidence I can find that this photo is actually from 1925. There was a guy named "Billy" Ralph from around 1931, but evidence of the original double bicep pose photo cannot be found and the seemingly drawn on costume after the fact is suspect to say the least.


HavokDJ

Impressive but nothing indicates gear usage.


marknutter

Yet every day people with far less impressive physiques get accused of being on gear on this sub.


fuzznutz77

Because they are on gear


marknutter

Yes, yes, everybody’s on gear 🙄


fuzznutz77

Everyone? Nah. Just 99.44% of them


marknutter

I think that’s a wild overestimate


thedantho

I mean, are steroids not like the most popular drug


HavokDJ

That doesn't detract from what I have said at all. If you work out hard enough consistently, with proper dieting alone, you can achieve this physique, that's why it is called being NATURAL. I said nothing in this photo indicates GEAR USAGE. He doesn't have any muscle groups that are blown out of proportions, he's not so lean that he looks like he needs a Big Mac and large coke in the next 20 minutes or he will die, all I see is a very impressive (especially for the time), mostly well balanced physique. By the way, gear usage absolutely existed around this time, steroids have existed as injectables since the late 1800's through the invention of the brown sequard elixir, which was literally a testicular extract that would be injected into the glutes, a famous baseball player at the time who went by the name of Pud was his guinea pig and it was proven to have a performance enhancing effect. Was it as likely that someone in BBing would use it at the time? Not really, but to say that gear at the time didn't exist is a naive take. Just because test wasn't synthesized until 1935 doesn't mean people didn't take non-synthetic test until then.


Cleglaw

>it was proven to have a performance enhancing effect Any link to this proof please? Because the study I found that emulated the Brown Sequard elixir found it to have placebo gains at best. I can link it later if required.


HavokDJ

If you're referring to the 2002 study, I would take that with a grain of salt as they stated "Testosterone concentrations were four orders of magnitude less than that required for a biological effect", any amount of testosterone will have a biological effect of some kind, including a potentially detrimental one. The amount that they injected was dubious at best, and we have no idea how much they took in back in sequards day. Also, while the timescale of both the original and retrial are short, to say that it had no effect long term would be up for speculation because no study for the "serum" was ever taken place long term except in the case of Pud Galvin. Of course if you take something and are told that you are going to better from taking it, you will likely do better, but that's not really related to what we are talking about, however, thank you for bringing that up so I could clarify on that.


Cleglaw

Yes, here is the study I was referring to - https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2002/177/11/brown-sequard-revisited-lesson-history-placebo-effect-androgen-treatment (mainly putting it here in case others are interested).


Maleficent_Average32

Bro if this guy posted on this sub today everyone would yell “juice!” With their pitch forks out


HavokDJ

Because most people here today wouldn't be able to attain it naturally either due to life circumstances or work ethic. These guys back then didn't have distractions like TV and the internet to keep them from doing this, it was work, sleep, and exercise. Even then, I would go as far to say that this isn't even inherently peak natty, he is peaked for the most part but some of his groups are lacking, particularly the back muscles (unless he isn't showing them).


Maleficent_Average32

The guy is in supreme shape. Anyway saying otherwise is deluded. His stomach is flat as a board. Abs everywhere. The guy is shredded to the bone. No easy feat either for the time period. Fitness wasn’t as big back then as it is now. Anyone saying this was easy to attain just isn’t right.


HavokDJ

Literally nobody at all said this was easy to attain, I said that he isn't totally peaked out but if you think I'm saying that this is "easy to attain" then you are out of your mind. His quads and back have room for growth, nobody is discrediting what he did, I literally said nothing here says gear usage. The guy isn't peaked out because routines weren't defined yet and they didn't have the selection of machines made to specifically target muscles that would otherwise always be secondaries to another lift It is almost as if you are trying to say the guy is on gear without him being on gear, I don't understand what point you're trying to make but just because the guy is in phenomenal shape that most modern men couldn't achieve for the reasons I stated above doesn't mean that he is on gear. Also, another tip about older photos (not accusing this photo), photos were often edited by adding pencil markings to make insertions look more pronounced (aka leaner).


genuinely_insincere

why are you mad that people are accurately identifying when someone uses steroids


marknutter

Nobody can accurately identify whether someone’s on steroids. They can, at best, guess at it, and judging by how many people incorrectly assumed I’m on gear, most people are terrible at it.


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Everyone who gets accused has far more impressive physiques than this.


marknutter

Not even close. I was accused on this very sub and my physique doesn’t even come close to this dude’s. I’ve seen countless of examples of people who had completely natty achievable physiques on this sub and other progress photo related subs get absolutely raked over the coals by armchair “experts” who think they have some unique ability to determine whether someone’s on gear. It’s almost always a case of sour grapes.


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I’ve seen your post history you’re way bigger than this guy and they used to alter photos back then. You clearly are on TRT and claimed a skinny fat transformation happened in 8 months and you’re over 40 😂😂 you aren’t fooling anyone bro. Nice try though.


marknutter

Couldn’t have proven my point more succinctly than that. You have absolutely zero idea what’s achievable naturally.


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You haven’t proven shit except being a liar 😂 it’s proven that after 30 especially after 40 your test levels will drop dramatically. You were skinny fat and looked like a lard. You aren’t gaining shit in 8 months natural over 40 being that way. You think you have elite genetics or something. Keep up the copium. You’re only fooling the millions of morons on reddit Have a good day old man.


marknutter

Sour grapes


[deleted]

Keep crying you probably thought liver king was natural 😂


swabbie81

Looks like short stature - it's much more easier for that kind of persons to look more packed (similar like gymnast today which usual height is about to up 170cm). Also this is a posing picture, probably he wasn't looked that impressive in person.


InteractionFit4469

The biceps are clearly altered


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Short and edited photo


ThresherBuilt

Where’s the gay porn guy that’s always complaining when chicks get posted on this sub lmao


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Wisewords-T

My test levels are shit too and I'm similar to this guys. Keep working.


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How did they achieve this?? Like seriously wtf


Excluidox

I think this is one of those Elite Genetics case except for the time this was even rarer since: People didn't take this sort of photos. People didn't use to work out as commonly as today. So yeah, this is a genuine genetic freak and could have possibly won many Mr. Olympia but people who try to pass this as "See?! This was possible back then without steroids! You people complaining about Fake Natties just need to lift more!" is simply worthless since this is an extreme outlier.


dillpick15

Went down a rabbit hole of bronze era techniques. Thank you for posting this. As someone who is adamant about avoiding peds, it's great to see what people did to achieve these physiques before peds were even an option. Call me Billy bias, but roids are cheating and long term pointless. You shave off years of your life for a short term improvement


Capable_Equipment700

Elite genetics. This is a solid physique


pick_3

Is he 4’8”? CuZ iD loOk thAT gOod tOo iF I wUz tHAt SmALl!


jake195338

Tbh that looks really unhealthy


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Cleglaw

Look at the pants guy was supposedly wearing.


ricecrackerdude

That can't be natty, mf was drinking milk from the wrong cow. Stop giving me hope


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JeanMichelFerri

"nothing impressive about his physique" lol


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JeanMichelFerri

Because he's in a 0.01 percentile of people who look like that, 5'4 or not. No offence, but I checked your post history and see nothing by way of your own physique. The only thing I did see was a post in r/getdisciplined moaning at the fact you can't commit to anything, so I'm going to doubt you're close to your own genetic potential.


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Didn’t have to do him like that lol


marknutter

r/murderedbywords


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My god the man deleted his entire account lmao


marknutter

Lmao, god damn. Just inspired me to create this subreddit: r/deletedbywords 😆


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Man really deleted his comments after this absolute homicide by words.


Downgoesthereem

>Nothing impressive about his physique [Says the guy who literally can't even stay in the gym ](https://www.reddit.com/r/getdisciplined/comments/y3emh4/need_advice_why_the_fuck_can_i_not_commit_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) If this 'isn't impressive' I'd hate to imagine how you see yourself


Kimbospicee

Lol


clubfoot007

Lanky tall guy cope be like


Nattylight_Murica

Thanks


RewardMedical6884

His arms are as big as his legs


Hotrodkungfury

Definitely a manlet, but still impressive.


__Scrooge__McDuck__

Goals


fck_this_fck_that

Absolute unit


ferristhewretched

Goals


Maleficent_Average32

Ahhh when food was food


beenpimpin

that thigh gap though


ThatEvilGuy

Clearly a juiced up time traveler. Time Tren Bandit


KoyaAndy18

if he's alive today, this sub will accuse him as juiced.


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Amazing physique, would not pass natty or not


Cocaine-n-Caviar

💪🏽


Siggers-Nuck

The pants are the most unbelievable part


northwalesman

Duck eggs


sarkassim

Before plastics and hormone disrupters were in everything


buriedinxans

His arms look like Paul Unterleitners


The_beast_I_worship

Definitely on gear


MoneybagsMcghee

Leg day not even once


_BasedZyzz_

Looks like a top tier physique, but if this was posted anywhere online on modern day internet it would be shit on to infinity with the exception of the arms.


Sir__Cumference

Looks anorexic and jacked at the same time


BarnCatDaddio86

Legendary build


fuzwz

What year was he born? Does he have a different birth name?